#(C/K)onqueror's Guild Live Beta Discussion

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warm wigeon
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If that makes sense

rapid fossil
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Even decked out, it's ridiculous. I've been able to test that much. I almost lost my eyebrows taking 500 damage using Bastion with a demonforged Surtr's shield with no debuffs.

warm wigeon
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Oh wow yes that is absolutely busted😂

rapid fossil
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IIII dunno. It took me from 0 damage to okay damage in one turn. Maybe it was something else

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Rewards from 2,212. Items, proofs, florens, and crownguards are still very disappointingly capped.

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warm wigeon
warm wigeon
red obsidian
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Legacy drove participation just by bigger reputation number, better leaderboard feeling, where as the reward cap makes it feel like there is a goal to get enough land to get cap consistently, but beyond that idk if this will drive the same type of competition. I like the system so far though.

orchid meadow
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Just so I can be across this as I haven't heard of any cap outside of player hypothesis - can someone direct me to where it may have been mentioned by Odie that there is a cap? I cannot locate it

sacred spade
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Depending on the DR it might be an aggressive soft cap

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Like, after 1500 territories you need 250 more to get the equivalent of 1 or something, which makes it look capped

red obsidian
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We obviously don't know how full release will be, but someone with 170 crowns getting the same quantity of proofs, shines, Crownguards, and items as a person with around 1800 crowns kind of points to a cap currently being in place... Idk

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Oh also Florens being 125 for both players

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So true it is a hypothesis but it has been interesting to see player rewards vs how many crowns they have when posted

pulsar spear
crisp condor
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Where beta update patch notes

red obsidian
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I saw someone post a 24 Proof screenshot, but they got no item/shrine/crownguard so the thought is those are all tied together currently so far

sacred spade
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For the sake of argument, if we assume 125 x3 materials is the soft cap, that turns into

125 x 3 x 30 = 11250 total mats a month

There are 62 mats possible, which means (roughly) you'll see each one twice a month on average.

How do people feel about the total mat reward?

How do people feel about getting 250(ish) cort/realm ore/avalon ore/other annoying mats each month?

pulsar spear
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Honestly this is part of the mechanics I have been bugging to get info on but said I would stop before open beta lol

sacred spade
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Too high/too little/just right?

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(Also acknowledging there are a bunch of other rewards in there)

pulsar spear
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I would like to see the mats remove common quality from the pool entirely

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and then 125 would be ok to me

unreal lily
red obsidian
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That is about the same materials as 5 refineries in 12 hours, but they are more focused rewards instead of random... So pretty good

karmic nymph
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Do we know how the mats reward is determined? Purely random or?

sacred spade
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It should be based on currently owned settlements imo

red obsidian
pulsar spear
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Other limits I have noticed:
1 Shrine only for 1 Hour
1 Max Crownship
1 item? (this one is fuzzy)
Factors we aren't sure of - Distance from OT, Time for decay of rewards (assuming 7 days from 0 activity like old system I think is what was used), Affect of increased activity and the bonus it could give.

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ok sorry will stop talking about that again 😭

unreal lily
# sacred spade It should be based on currently owned settlements imo

... Kinda?

The settlements are now intended to turnover, so being good at the guild isn't just owning lots of things but also retaking lots of things.
But this is a good topic -- guild exp afaik is still undecided. Guild exp sources and amounts should be nailed down before this goes to live 👍

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Definitely agree that RPS shouldn't account for much of your guild exp (if... any).

pulsar spear
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SAS/Duels give 1 xp for winning I think and the actual conquest is giving 0?

red obsidian
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If we get daily exp based on held crowns when collecting, and exp when winning a crown that would help, otherwise you need to get 25 guild levels just from RPS to buy certain items from the guild shop

pulsar spear
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Can we all settle on a name for the Duels? It gets confusing

unreal lily
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RPS is a nice TLA

pulsar spear
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so is SAS

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Sword Axe Shield

unreal lily
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nah, that has repeating characters mimic

pulsar spear
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😄

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RPS just mean something weird to me in gaming

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especially if you ever met one in FFXIV

red obsidian
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RPS is a good way to allow a carrot for someone to buy Ramparts and get a foothold... Which I assume is the whole purpose for it being there... It's about accessibility for more players

warm wigeon
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Brief mentioning of guild exp already in the summary in pins

red obsidian
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I'm not discounting that, it's more that it seems unfeasible for it to be the only source of exp for guild going forward... Which was never probably the intention anyway

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Oh, I'm on mobile... No good way to see channel pins afaik

crisp condor
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I still didn't get the beta balance update smh

warm wigeon
swift flame
unreal lily
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(S2iVi's summary: #1275487953480712324 message )

pulsar spear
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I think that taking a place or playing RPS (/cringe fine) should give 1 xp

red obsidian
warm wigeon
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Note i cant add to that post since im at character limit 🫠

jolly sable
jolly sable
crisp condor
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Please do

unreal lily
karmic nymph
warm wigeon
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Thanks

red obsidian
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Oh yeah S2iVi I was the one who mentioned it for you to add to that post lol, I thought we got more info

warm wigeon
crisp condor
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Ok guys, let's go back to teamspeak

warm wigeon
pulsar spear
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Did any pros want to weigh in on the pictures above of my Gilga Ward vs Beo Ward? Is that expected to jump so high between the two?

warm wigeon
red obsidian
warm wigeon
karmic nymph
pulsar spear
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TLDR? Gilga wearing same gear with max buffs had 78k ward - Beo with same buffs and pet had 168K ward

red obsidian
crisp condor
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Bonds?

pulsar spear
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Yeah pet gives 8% more at BB3

crisp condor
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Only?

warm wigeon
crisp condor
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Then who needs gilga when you can go beo lol
Let me try

warm wigeon
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Some things needed specifics but that one i think was fine as general

red obsidian
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Yeah, I trust Odie knows what he is doing... It's worked for the rest of the game so far

karmic nymph
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I'm pretty sure this means the gilga's current ward is 68k and thus the max ward would be ~130k

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130k to 142k is roughly correct for an 8% increase

red obsidian
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Would that imply that territory defense stats are multiplicative?

pulsar spear
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yes sorry this was my thought - base on screen the Gilga has 70 and the Beo has 72 with the pet - It appears it's not additive for the territory defense possibly?

karmic nymph
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I wouldn't be surprised if it were multiplicative; seems like most stat boosts are

pulsar spear
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68K is 50% right os 146 vs 143 ok nothing burger sorry

serene dirge
red obsidian
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Ahh, alright, haven't had a lot of time to mess with the new patch yet, thank you for the info

serene dirge
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i think it was yesterday

pulsar spear
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ah yeah confirmed 1 xp now

crisp condor
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@pulsar spear looks fine to me

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pulsar spear
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you have to put them on D

red obsidian
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Huh... Apparently I'm blind then

pulsar spear
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not on offensive 😄

crisp condor
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Ok one sec

pulsar spear
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It's sorted now though like I said, nothing burger

crisp condor
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Ok then

red obsidian
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Awesome, yep, haven't noticed since it was fixed, my bad

pulsar spear
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Whew OS are beefy atm to fight against

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At least offhands are working now so I was able to cheese the T5 with one

crisp condor
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Feels better somewhat

pulsar spear
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eh feels challenging... not good or bad just challenging

crisp condor
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I still think that's an improvement

pulsar spear
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T3 are still unable to participate due to bug posted so can't tell how well it's improved

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348 Crowns roughly 1/2 of which I haven't visited in a week and up to 45 minutes away:

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florens still holding strong at 125 and my crownships went down to 16 but new highest per material? 144 - 288 total so lower than previous max (not cap) at 410 that we have seen

crisp condor
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With the first turns 0ing eachother.. spells with high pen might be amazing

pulsar spear
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So effort v/s reward on this, do I really need to figure out M1/M2 on an OS just to compete now?

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Someone was getting 0'd with rend/epee the other day

tepid zodiac
crisp condor
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Then the first turns are buff turns lol

red obsidian
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Hmm, from the T10/11 crowns I was just hitting I didn't see myself getting 0'ed and skills that were 0'ed before seem to be killing now

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Feels like the def/res was brought down then

open prism
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the only sad part of all of this is that 2-3 weeks ago i did a whole cleanup where i deleted lots of T3-T8 stuff ornate and whatnot, who knows if they where high %, such is life :v

clever scroll
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I got a 200% Sala's Hoodmimic

clever wagon
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Quick question, if the os tiers are 3 5 7 9, can a t3 os equip a t4 weapon like a normal character could?

red obsidian
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Not currently

opaque glade
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Related to Conq guild Othersouls, do higher tier characters have access to all lower tier gear? Tried farming some arena for t3 arrows, got ~30 of t5 and t10 ones but not a single t3

warm wigeon
rapid fossil
rapid fossil
rapid fossil
rapid fossil
rapid fossil
sacred spade
rapid fossil
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It has varied. Highest I've seen was ... 409?

rapid fossil
jolly sable
crisp condor
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Yeah, he has 2 medium sized countries under his belt

pulsar spear
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Pretty sure we had pics for 44k+ territory and def didn't have 375 mats on it

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I think he was inferring to the older Alpha not Territory but I could be wrong. One of the days we say 5 materials at 82 each for 410 - now we haven't seen above 350 and seems like 3 mats

crisp condor
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Ok maybe 3 countries then

pulsar spear
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But we have seen up to 144 mats now

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so I am wrong because that is 432 - too early need coffee was 144 but only 2 so was 288 and still under 350 total

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I think though I may be finally seeing diminished returns for inactivity as I haven't travelled south since last weekend

rapid fossil
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I'll have to count again to be sure. Maybe I'm over estimating it because it doesn't give each material consistently each day, but I'll double check for fun

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This is all just theorizing in case there is actually a cap anyway. I'm not supporting the old rewards or anything

rapid fossil
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Actually, the math was just wrong unless I am REALLY missing something obvious. I did the math myself this time and you should be getting 180 of each material per month. Which I do exceed that on SOME of them with the gear rewards, but definitely not all of them.

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OH I see what was happening. Not 2 of each material each month, you meant how often you see that material as the one generated as a daily reward.

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Following that line of thought, I would much rather see each settlement generate its own material each day for variety

zenith scarab
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Ahh, so just had a random question that I don't think we can test atm? Maybe I'm wrong. What happens if I take a crown when I am T5 then level to a new tier? Does my OS automatically take it over, do I void ownership and then have to take it with my OS again or something else?

vital bolt
rapid fossil
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Yep. That one's been answered by the team.

zenith scarab
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Sweet, thanks

pulsar spear
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It's a great question though for sure 🙂

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Do we have an answer on what constitutes activity to keep the rewards rolling in? I have heard that RPS (still cringe imo) doesn't affect it. What made it active in Territories? I could have sworn just driving by did but I could be wrong.

jolly sable
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so someone fighting the settlement, regardless of victory or not

pulsar spear
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So if I roll around and smack it with a naked alt I can claim activity

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and that will now be easier to do with a T2 alt for everyone

red obsidian
pulsar spear
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I have yet to have an npc attack

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Not sure if it's b/c I have been attacking the ones near my OT every couple of days with a low level alt or a different sandbox

jolly sable
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Being near them might just maintain activity

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Whereas being contested just increases rewards

pulsar spear
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Right still, I would drive around contesting all the time then when I don't have competition which locally I think I may be the only one in a 25 mile radius

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My biggest comps are 45 minutes south and 1.5 hours north

rapid fossil
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It has also been phrased as merely "seeing" the settlement, so I'm not sure if there's any distinction between seeing the settlement and fighting for a crown.

pulsar spear
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So for best benefits set alt to T1 Thief and nekid to contest and get both 😄

rapid fossil
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Save for sometimes losing them, that is.

pulsar spear
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There could be a break point though - wonder how many fighting for the territory gives it a bonus

rapid fossil
pulsar spear
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Thanks would be awesome if you do 🙂

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I am already imagining getting 0 at my OT b/c of the potential alt absue and Geographical RNG stuff hates me (think dungeons and roaming towers etc)

zenith scarab
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Man Tyrm, you just gave me a moment of happiness when I imagined Settlements picking up and moving every week like towers!

jolly sable
zenith scarab
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I got a bit excited at just the thought. boggers

supple violet
pulsar spear
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Yeah like a certain AL 228 person

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I love really good working procedurally generated terrain and the like. Reminds me of Star Wars Galaxies that was so ahead of it's time and the thought of going out weekly to see things new in the world seems like fun and a huge over head to keep up

supple violet
pulsar spear
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You need to make like a video montage of you going around owning with your cactus

supple violet
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I will

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Once I get it built

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t10 cactus needs a lot more prep time than t8 cactus

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idk if t4 cactus is a good idea or if it even works with t5

lyric yarrow
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IMO The gap in gear options is too big between T8 and T9, and I'm no even talking about celestial gear but just regular gear. I think T9 should be its own thing and T8 couple with T7.

T10
T9
T8-7
T6-5
T4-3-2-1

It increases the lowest tier to T4 but T4 is really fast to get anyways and I don't see people of that level (currently T2) going hard on settlement anyways.

warm wigeon
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Idk what ur talking about

lyric yarrow
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I'm talking about the fact that a T8 player can't compare to a T9 othersoul with T9 gear

warm wigeon
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NF acknowledged the balance issues already

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As in it's kind of difficult to balance before this hits main game

lyric yarrow
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is it that difficult to compare T9 gear to T8 gear ?

warm wigeon
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Othersouls power level could be more or less later on

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I can wear t9 gear on my t8 alt

lyric yarrow
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who asked about your alt ? normal T8 player can't acquire T9 gear

warm wigeon
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Why so angry

lyric yarrow
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you're the angry one

warm wigeon
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I dont see any reason why a t8 cant kill a Balor king on the road and grab a crown?

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Or a mammon?

lyric yarrow
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or arisen balin. oh wait not that one

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or apollyon

warm wigeon
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Othersouls aren't 100% power level

supple violet
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Othersouls are theoretically weaker than normal players

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Also a Big Cactus will absolutely annihilate an Othersouls on a t8.

warm wigeon
supple violet
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Big Cactus obliterated a decently put together t10 beo

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so

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||over many attempts, but the damage was not scoffable||

karmic nymph
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kektus strikes again

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personally I think if most t8s are using grand attuner to progress anyway, they're not going to have any issues

supple violet
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I despise this train of thought.

red obsidian
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Another day another rewards post, 243 crowns, mostly just top crown

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karmic nymph
red obsidian
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I mean, new system is still more fair for a T8 than the old... Idk

lyric yarrow
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I don't think the goal was to make it "less unfair"

red obsidian
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In a way that's almost all any PvP game ever made achieves... Because nothing is ever truly balanced

karmic nymph
supple violet
red obsidian
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Cactus, manticore eyes...

supple violet
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Don't need manticore eyes for Cactus

red obsidian
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Even better

supple violet
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AoE pets are a strange case

karmic nymph
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alright every class except valhallan then

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even then I dunno

supple violet
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I'm an Arcanic

karmic nymph
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in pvp perhaps

supple violet
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I have a t8 Arcanic that sweeps everything with Big Cactus

karmic nymph
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damn okay

supple violet
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lol

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AoE AI gets better with damage buffs. ||Odie please leave this in.||

karmic nymph
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I think I was just using pale dragon with nekro but it just mostly sat around doing nothing

supple violet
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If you add a teeny tiny bit of act rate it gets even better

warm wigeon
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Yeah I just dont see any issues with the tier system

karmic nymph
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I don't currently have a t8 alt but I will keep that in mind for whenever I decide to level my t6

red obsidian
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Careful, we don't need all followers getting replaced with stuffer animals and all weapons being replaced with pool noodles

supple violet
karmic nymph
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tbf most of my gripes with grand attuner are actually pve based so not a point of discussion for here

rapid fossil
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Whoa, I really like the new balance of the Othersouls. Using great gear, I am no longer one shotting everything, I'm not doing 0 damage even when buffed, and I take some damage with demonforged gear, but not much. It feels quite appropriate

red obsidian
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Agreed balance since patch feels better than it has

karmic nymph
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how often are npcs supposed to attack settlements? mine haven't been touched so far

rapid fossil
karmic nymph
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yeah I haven't used any crownguards either; I just want to test how it feels fighting the new npcs

supple violet
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If it were a per 2 days thing that'd be neat

analog dew
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Nice work on the 'main character looming menacingly in the background' othersoul portrait change by the way

supple violet
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I haven't been able to play yet

analog dew
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Yeah. I think the othersoul HP has been bumped too since yesterday

supple violet
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Can you send a SS of the othersouls portrait change please lol

analog dew
supple violet
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:D Yeah that's cool asf

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I like

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😭 I also really like these sprites

swift flame
# analog dew

I wonder if we could do the same thing for the castle up top that shows all the different crown spots?

analog dew
rapid fossil
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It would be pretty cool if their name was put up somewhere too, but you can't get everything. At least it shows up in the fight!!

analog dew
rapid fossil
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I had meant to reply to the "looming character behind Othersoul" comment

supple violet
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Although if I could get the old [Starst with an A, Empire Here] sprite pack that'd be nice

supple violet
# analog dew

There should be a toggle to allow you to see the OS names or not in the little name slot there.

rapid fossil
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Also, I understand the misgivings about Othersouls being able to wear T9 gear, some of which is inaccessible to T8s. However, I still don't think people have been testing them enough to know that, at least in their current state even with their HP double what it was pre-patch, they are going to get steamrolled by regular T9s. I don't think T8s are going to have a tremendous issue if they get decent T8 weaponry. That's even considering that they're at the bottom of their crown's range.

supple violet
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||Also, Cactus rolls all||

rapid fossil
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Don't forget Buggane

supple violet
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That too

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Also VSS

rapid fossil
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Buggane may not have much left to hit after those

supple violet
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I could probably oneshot an attuner with Cactus

red obsidian
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Cactus casts Take Life

supple violet
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Cactus casts: "Obliterate"

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It was super effective!

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||But not at t5!||

zenith scarab
supple violet
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||Well that's a vast change from prior||

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So t3 went from "too strong" to "obliterated"

zenith scarab
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I'd like to see how a similar level player would fare in comparable gear to see if it's an OS scaling thing or a defending NPC scaling thing.

supple violet
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tier 3 character, about level 60?

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Seems appropriate ish for of similar size

zenith scarab
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Also I just noticed we no longer get proofs for RPS? This is what I get for not participating in RPS for a few days

supple violet
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LOL

analog dew
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I'm getting proofs from it. No xp though

zenith scarab
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Ok, it appears to be an either or

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Either you can get a proof or an xp

supple violet
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why

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That seems like a bug

analog dew
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Eh, I could see it as an effort to nerf the rate of conquest gain for ramparts

supple violet
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Well I don't think we're gonna be RPSing once a minute.

zenith scarab
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2 hours

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Assuming RPS even stays as is I guess

analog dew
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I was thinking more for low level players who can't win a fight but want to buy a stat boost so they can

supple violet
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The RPS seems very not useful lol

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Deff feels like an afterthought kinda thing

zenith scarab
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Taken a few seconds apart

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Assuming that is intended behavior and not a bug it makes me even less inclined to engage in it when I can do other things that are more rewarding while engaging in gps

dusty sun
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Are mats one of the 3 reward options? Do the options rotate?

Also, are there plans to add other uses for the two new currencies, i.e. rotating mats in guild shop for proofs of crownship?

analog dew
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When Alexander saw the breadth of his domain he wept, for there were no more settlements to conquer. But he could at least play rock paper shotgun.

zenith scarab
rapid fossil
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Is anyone else not seeing not the Othersoul sprite, but a copy of your own Othersoul sprite when you are looking at the settlement crowns with an alt?

supple violet
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ss?

dusty sun
red obsidian
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I wouldn't mind if you could buy materials with guild currency, but honestly with the costs of the stuff that is guild related already, the currencies are more upkeep related and the materials are just the passive income. It's going to depend if the caps are intended as to if it matters personally.

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If the caps are intended you would be handicapping yourself too much if you spent on materials instead of ramparts/Crownguards... If the caps are going away, there will be an excess of the crownship currency that would be nice to use on materials of your choosing. IMO

rapid fossil
red obsidian
rapid fossil
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Yep. Although, if you're not interested in Heart of Change, you're just getting scrolls.

pulsar spear
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I blink and I get scrolls already please don't give me even more

red obsidian
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That is why I thought materials are almost always welcome so probably a good additional option... But I suppose if people feel like that is too much of a PvE style reward I could understand it.

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After all wouldn't this be the first guild you can't buy materials from then? I'm also for the idea of a different sprite pack that is tied to proofs of Crownship since the current one is proofs of conquering

pulsar spear
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Yes I like sprites and crownguards and ramparts as rewards. I would like to see more pvp related rewards as well.

supple violet
tepid zodiac
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Add 2 new specs

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Make them 500 and 2000 proofs each

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Make players real sweaty for fall

red obsidian
supple violet
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Whilst yes this does technically mean the rich get richer but shrug in the end does it REALLY matter that much

red obsidian
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I mean, people will play to the degree they wish to already... Some players will farm towers constantly, some are fishing constantly, others amass 200 refineries and keep them stocked with endless, people are gonna people.

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Guess the point is, people flock to efficient rewards, guilds that have low RoI see a lot less participation, for this guild participation is important for better rewards for all, so the RoI for time should be good, which means a cap is counterintuitive.

supple violet
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RoI?

dusty sun
rapid fossil
dusty sun
# rapid fossil That's an interesting perspective. I suppose that, if it's not changed, it will ...

True, but for a RoR character that's not really a thing. Maybe it's too small of a niche, this does feel like the only time we've had tier-brackets like this though.

Right now, useful rewards as a lower-tier/RoR char might be:
-Mats for MF/DF (especially if it's tier+1, been very slowly accumulating Pure Lightstone on my T7)
-Unique or raid-specific gear (Monument guild has been great)
-Improvements to existing gear, new skills, etc etc.

Idk, I've suggested before it'd be neat to see some sort of method to very slowly improve existing gear quality? Maybe chances to re-roll quest item quality? Could be too much, idk. Would be neat to see something unique.

rapid fossil
rapid fossil
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I think

spark glade
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Probably, sounds about right

rapid fossil
rapid fossil
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Rewards from 2,238

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red obsidian
supple violet
rapid fossil
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Nah, I got 1.75m-ish yesterday

supple violet
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or m?

tepid zodiac
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Anyone have NPC takeover occur yet ?

clever scroll
rapid fossil
rapid fossil
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*Depending on how much you buff it.

clever scroll
opaque glade
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Buffed warden def isn't something I want added. Just my opinion tho

clever scroll
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More than 25% stats would be too strong

tepid zodiac
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+stats on othersouls

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When using this spec you inspire your underlings to perform to their maximum potential. Othersouls gain a boost to all stats and an increase to base HP.

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Name it something like OVERLORD

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Or even Konquerer hehe

clever scroll
# rapid fossil I dunno, I wouldn't mind buffed Warden. Swash got buffed Swash and it was alread...

The difference is that Swash is only attack, Warden increases 25% stats (HP and Mana are only reflected in the ward increase I think) and plus an amity of 15% stats when defending reaches +44% stats, it is different from Swash because, you cannot increase Swash with amitys or pets (yes, with Bestial Bond it reaches 58% or 59% stats, it is stronger than Swash II, although of course, it only works in settlements

clever scroll
tepid zodiac
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Whip them into a frenzy

rapid fossil
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I know the difference between Swash and Warden (x My point is Warden could be stronger without being OP. Swash was already ridiculously strong, and it got an upgrade and Warden getting the same treatment would be less insane than Blade of Finesse is.

I would be willing to bet most people, unless they happen to be getting attacked while doing the attacking, would just switch between Warden and Conquerer for the appropriate situation rather than going Emperor because it would be cheaper.

rapid fossil
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Messages now last 60 days.

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tepid zodiac
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Yeeeah 80085

jolly sable
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I'd still rather have it be message cap rather than timed, buut two months is a lot friendlier than a week, at the very least

buoyant falcon
rapid fossil
rapid fossil
pulsar spear
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has anyone tried to overflow it yet? Is there a character limit?

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Also is the only way to get chalk to buy it?

rapid fossil
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Maybe it's one of the items that can drop when the rewards get fixed?

pulsar spear
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Or costs proofs to use? /shrug

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Still going to go spam it and see if it has a limit

rapid fossil
pulsar spear
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There is a limit

jolly sable
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I imagine it will be exclusive tbh

pulsar spear
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you can write up to a point but then it will grey out so you have to delete some

jolly sable
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But it could also just come from citadel only, and be essentially exclusive

pulsar spear
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by exclusive you mean pay to leave messages?

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or like how diluted mnemonics are?

rapid fossil
jolly sable
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Because it serves no real actual ingame purpose and it might be good enough motivation to throw in an extra penny at NF

rapid fossil
# pulsar spear

Seeing that reminds of the old follower character count where people would put a bunch of song lyrics

jolly sable
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Pay 2 Trashtalk, if you will

pulsar spear
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I wouldn't want my message to dissapear if I have to pay for it 😄

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I would go around saying I'm a whale to like 2k settlements but I wouldn't do that every 2 months laugh

rapid fossil
rapid fossil
jolly sable
pulsar spear
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Yes basically saying that I spent enough money to go around to 2k Settlements to say those words.

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It's hard to whale in this game but you can if you really really try 😄

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you could spend $48 a day on shrines so they never drop (my cc would probably block this but you could try it)

rapid fossil
rapid fossil
karmic nymph
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probably more cost effective to just buy 48 dollars worth of bus fares and ride around

clever scroll
pulsar spear
supple violet
pulsar spear
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If Baby Shark is wrong I dont wan't to ever be right

supple violet
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disgusting lol

tepid zodiac
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I like the soapstones

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It has to be paid; it will filter our negative, toxic and otherwise terrible messages.

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Unless someone is keen on wasting money to be a ftroll

cursive solar
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Pay2Troll

pulsar spear
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They can still get banned so pay2ban

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pay2selfPwn

tepid zodiac
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It'll be fun to try and coordinate swapping out settlements with locals or starting rivalries with the less cooperative sort

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Or telling everyone how pretty and amazing my wife is

cursive solar
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It's gonna be yelp reviews.

tepid zodiac
cursive solar
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Leave this at a Boba shop

red obsidian
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"Shortcut ahead therefore try jumping"

rapid fossil
# tepid zodiac

Booba, isn't that a kids's show with flying fuzzy blob things?

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I know you didn't mean 80085

spark glade
pulsar spear
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I wanted to answer this so many different ways

spark glade
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Th… That’s an entirely different thing than what I was thinking of what the heck

raven echo
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Hello everyone, do you have the new baseline health and mana stats from the live Beta? I was running some calculations and was curious as to the changes. Thank you!

pulsar spear
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What do you mean new baseline?

cursive solar
spark glade
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Nope, this was

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lucid ermine
pulsar spear
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2004 PBS nightmare fuel

tepid zodiac
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I misspelt Boobs

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I dunno what the heck any of that stuff is

pulsar spear
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Booba was the way that Korean streamers for Games would say boobs, but for some reason there are also soom really weird/whack shows the use the word too

rapid fossil
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T9 Othersoul base HP was boosted to 8k and hp boosts are doubling now!! Huge leap in the right direction!

red obsidian
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283 Crowns reward

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pulsar spear
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I have lost Crownships but 0 notifications, I was at 394 and went on a trip today south again, first time in a week, took 30 more and went up to 395?

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I did swap a lot of Crownship ones to mats or orns where I could and it appears to have made mine go down.

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I do like the Monster Aspect reward - still feels like only 1 CrownGuard, 1 item, 1 shrine

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my shrine % is lowered now so go figure I didn't get one today

raven echo
rapid fossil
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Rewards at 2,535. New record at 428 materials.

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clever scroll
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Hp in T3 and T5 is too much I think

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although honestly, T1-T9 couldn't even beat the npc mimic much less beat the Othersouls

rapid fossil
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Unless it's a scaling effect

glossy surge
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is it me or proof of crownships are soft capped at around 17 into 20? between 200 and 1400 crowns, I havent seen anyone get above 20

pulsar spear
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I think they wen't down Highest we have seen was 21 I think

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but feels like we are seeing like 18

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I went down from 20 to 14

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going to try to swap all my settlements tomorrow to do proofs and get more OS on them

rapid fossil
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I spent the first 2k choosing proofs every single time, I don't know how much it'll do or at what point it will get you to 18

pulsar spear
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I had 20 at 394

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but it has gone down

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and now that I swapped all but the 15 at my home to other things where I could its down to 14 now

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I am going to set them all back tomorrow before I claim and see if it goes up from 14 again

tepid zodiac
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For those of us choosing Legacy, will we still be able to grind out thr achievements?

magic lion
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Per the achievements on the beta, it doesn't look like it. I should ping 53 to get those last 1.9k territories lol

tepid zodiac
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Why not ?

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Please NFS

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Give us oldies something to cling to from yesteryear

rapid fossil
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Even before, though, it was fluctuating within a range of 3

rapid fossil
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@jolly sable To follow up, I counted. It's inconsistent every day but today I got 225 materials on the territory system.

pulsar spear
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Total or per? Just making sure - seems like there are some weird variables and currently still no notifications

jolly sable
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I imagine total

lyric yarrow
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Are the settlements generated like dungeons ? Because I've gone to a less populated area and couldn't find a settlement. TBF I also can't find the button for control map so I thought it was merged. But if so, will the settlement density be increased in less populated areas ? One of the good points of the old system was that it was accessible anywhere regardless of building generation.

rapid fossil
rapid fossil
crisp condor
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Doesn't matter where

lyric yarrow
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Hope they could change their generation then, because some zones ares completely empty.

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or maybe let us establish settlements in empty regions

tepid zodiac
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They should spawn in parks or nature areas

clever scroll
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That's easy to do in some countries, not all, I think they should increase the spawn to 1/2 of the amount of territories there are now, because in some places with a lot of players it will be difficult to collect the rewards without having lost settlements too fast

pulsar spear
rapid fossil
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Rewards for 2,541

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pulsar spear
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423 Crownships - I moved at least 20 over to crownship to try to get it back up and the bar only moved up 2 from yesterday. I went from 395 to 423 and feel like I am losing out on a lot more than before, no shrine, still only 1 settler's crownguard, 125 max florens. New personal highest on mat which is 157 but total still only 314

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And now you have 174 gg

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oh need better eyes lol

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I changed my focus to items and crownguards, only 1 item, lost a lot of other things.

The OS battles are really terrible right now - it seems like anything tied to a class fails, not enough Mana to do anything. They are so bad it would take me 5 trips to get all 5 crownships for all the settlements I own. I have some good competiton here so the lowering of the rewards is starting to make this new adventure something I wouldn't focus on as much as I had initially thought to.

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For now I can't relaly think of anything else to test in beta but am open to try some things if anything comes up.

karmic nymph
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OS need more mana for sure

cursive solar
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I thought they didn't use mana. I guess that changed.

karmic nymph
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Yeah now they have a piddling amount of it to use

rapid fossil
karmic nymph
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The T9 doesn't even have enough to cast quakestorm 2 more than once

supple violet
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I still don't think they should have mana

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Let them spam DB, it's funnier this way

analog dew
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With all the other disadvantages I'd really rather have infinite mana over the health bump

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Although at the moment my main problem is I can't get anything but zeroes until 10 turns of PvP stat decay have passed

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But my pets don't seem to have that problem somehow 🤷‍♂️

supple violet
analog dew
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Yup, my tier 9 othersoul is sitting there banging out zeroes until he dies while the steward dragon does 800 and occasionally a 4k chunk of damage 🤷‍♂️

pulsar spear
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My T7 starts with 0 mana

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B/C of the gear I have on them

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T9 trys to use Skadi and it fails until almost empty on mana most the time and I just spam Bastion 3 waiting for the Spiritgarm to finally kill

karmic nymph
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Oh I'm not the only one whose OS are getting zeroed

rapid fossil
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How about loadout sets for our OS, though, so we don't have to change all four every time we switch betwern defending/attacking

tepid zodiac
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Sell.extra laodouts for OS

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Easy monies

red obsidian
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387 crowns today, mostly only Top crown

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crisp condor
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Getting great moster aspects from them is big for lvling up manifests

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Is that a reward you can choose?

red obsidian
crisp condor
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Oh

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I would have to choose mats or that one

warm wigeon
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Seems like not too much more feedback besides balancing things all around ?

rapid fossil
# warm wigeon I like this idea too, but when you put gear into an OS you cant use it elsewhere...

Oh yeah, I hadn't thought about that. I guess if it were implemented, everyone would just have to be diligent in the way that they make their loadouts, sent them, and then not change them. I'm just not sure I see a way around it because it's going to be a big pain manually changing loadouts on all four characters before and after going on the prowl. No, granted, the youngest OS may not need much changing

clever scroll
austere light
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Has there been any developer comments on whether they intend to keep adornment lvls unrestricted like it is on the beta? i.e. you can currently use T9-T10 adorns in T3/T5 items, which drastically alters which items are theoretically BIS for some tiers.

vital bolt
austere light
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@vital bolt tyvm! I tried to do a keyword search for any references to "adorn" but it wasn't working for some reason.

warm wigeon
rapid fossil
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Another at 2,541

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remote onyx
rapid fossil
red obsidian
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80 x 5 doesn't seem that low? idk

pulsar spear
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That's super low

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423 Crownships I also prioritized Crownships Proofs then mats

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New Highest Cap per mat 183

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366 though one of my lowest to date

rapid fossil
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Yeah, it's low for the crown count, just like everything but gold & orns seems to be.

pulsar spear
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Still only 1 item max, 125 Florens Cap, now less than 20 Proof of Crownship and materials seem to be going down as well.

rapid fossil
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My materials seem to be fluctuating within reason. I hit a new max a couple of days ago.

red obsidian
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Oh ok yea, its low for the amount of land, but idk if/where the material cap is

buoyant falcon
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I haven't been following the discourse on the item caps so I don't really know the details, but it seems weird to me that there are caps at all. Why not just make the rewards less? \

rapid fossil
orchid meadow
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Fwiw, I haven't heard anything about caps internally at all. I've only heard about diminishing returns, but I am unclear on the specifics.

It has been raised by myself regularly - I believe Odie was focused on some of the more pressing bugs and issues before looking at this at some point. The feedback isn't going into the void for those curious!

warm wigeon
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Thanks for the update 👍 hopefully you guys got the feedback you needed at this point. Let us know if there's anything else specific we can help with

viscid parrot
desert zenith
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Okay, so, do we know how the rankings are calculated?

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Because I don't have that much but am here... is it a regional number rather than global?

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pulsar spear
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We have to disagree that there aren't hard limits in place Dangy. 125 Florens regardless of number of settlements pointed to that as a reward is all we get. The highest rewards for Crownship Proofs is also definitely maxed out at 21 but now we can't seem to hit that with Sora having over 2,500 crownships. If it's not a cap then the exponential scale for diminishing rewards is so high that it may as well be a cap. There is no way we can determine what the rate of return is and what the curve looks like for any of the rewards but we can tell you that for 100% sure that 125 is max, Crownship has been tweaked to give less than 20 now. Materials are in a weird fluxation where someone with 2500 crownships Can only get about 400 materials vs someone with 432 getting 366 - That would be an 81% diminishing return and using that logic someone with 5,000 settlements wouldn't be able to hit 500 materials. There also has to be a point where diminishing returns would cap out our it would overflow and go negative. So there would have to be a cap in place to prevent that overlfow.

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Settler's Crownguard and items also appear to have a hard cap of 1 per 24 hours. I haven't calculated shrines fully but it would appear they are also under the same limitation - hard to prove this one since's it's only 3% chance per and I haven't found 60+ settelements with that option. To further complicate things there is a diminishing return per crownship on a settlement owned that is hard to calculate on top of said diminishing returns for overall. These two could very well be creating an uninential cap because they are set so high. Gold and Orns appear to have a much lower rate of diminishing returns that seems linear instead of exponential since at 432 I get roughtly 412k while at 6 times that Sora is getting 1.9 - this one actually may calculate at around 20% diminishing returns vs the 80% roughly observed for the other rewards

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To be clear I think this system is 10,000 times better than the old one. I also think its ok for there to be limits on the Proofs, Materials, Florens, Items and Crownguards - I just don't think they are working at the expected levels. The only test of florens I was able to do was to decrease down to 45 at 132 settlements and then go back to to 125 - to go from sub 250 all the way up to 2500 and only see 125 should prove that the exponential dimishing returns is set way too high so as to basically appear as a hard cap. The switch is too fast on it.

desert zenith
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Great feed back @pulsar spear that suggests there is no real benefit from taking a large number of settlements as you will hit caps left right and centre, and that brings me back to the ranking calculation. Largely I play to take territory and had been gradually creeping nearer and nearer to top 100 globally for that. For me, if there isn't a ranking reason to take territory I probably won't bother with the new system as I don't care about mats or the other rewards much. Does anyone have any idea about the ranking?

jolly sable
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Also, in earlier builds, ~everything was capped at one settlement

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likely unintentionally

pulsar spear
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To be clear I am not disagreeing with Dangy. In theory you could just over tune the diminishing returns to eventually hit 0 without it being a hard cap. This is basically the same as a hard cap in a players eyes.

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But some things do in fact have a hard cap or the diminishing return is like 99% in the case of items and florens would be something like 80% with a 2% increase so that 125 was the spot where 0 returns start

buoyant falcon
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Whether there are hard caps or diminishing returns I have the same opinion, why would there be less rewards for doing more? Just reduce the initial rewards if necessary. It would be like reducing anguish proofs after X dungeons per week.

lyric yarrow
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most likely to prevent enormous rewards for some players. The new system give so much more rewards than the old one, but if the very invested players from the old system were investing as much, it would probably end up being somewhat infinite rewards for them. So basically Odie may have chosen this solution to give relevant rewards to low invest while not skyrocketting rewards for high invest.

crisp condor
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While I feel like this would kill the John that has 10k settlements in the middle of a dessert.. I kinda agree
Why limit it so much? Make maybe npcs that attack those forgotten settlements or something

buoyant falcon
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But the work is still being done, is it really any different than the guy who does 100 anguish dungeons a day?

lyric yarrow
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it's to match the time commitment. That one is hard to evaluate in a beta with less people competing for the settlements but it looks more like a one and done compared to the time it takes to run 100 dungeons (which represent more than 8h if you consider a dungeon every 5 minutes without any pause)

desert zenith
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It's vaguely irritating that NPCs are going to attack you, in, what I thought was a PvP feature, just to help with resources being balanced? I travel a lot but don't often re-visit the same area for several months. Currently I lose the most to players on main rail, bus, road routes or towns (as it should be), but the stuff out in the styx rarely gets touched. I would be very happy with a check-box to disable rewards and give a slight bonus to ranking calculation, and, critically disable NPC attacks, or you know, just don't change system.

jolly sable
desert zenith
lyric yarrow
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with how much rewards it gives (and the quality of it) I don't think it's a good idea to let people have has much captured zones has before. It would be some massive passive income.

desert zenith
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That I agree with but I want all the settlements 🙂 🙂 🙂 (assuming it helps ranking du )

buoyant falcon
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Yeah I think a lot of the economy concerns are answered better by the diminishing returns based on inactivity and natural loss due to competition than hard/soft caps.

lyric yarrow
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maybe we could find some rewards that could be infinitely stacked, while the token remain capped. This way you don't feel scamed when you hard commit to this guild.

zenith scarab
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We don't even know if there are caps, it's just speculation that is based on a reward formula that has been quite buggy to date.

pulsar spear
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I have yet to have an NPC attack btw - been a few weeks or at least a couple weeks

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If they don't have caps the rewards are exponentially diminished which would effectively be a cap at some point or it would overflow and go negative

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Settlements will help ranking from what I see. Guild level seems to have a pretty weighted influence on them which may need to be tweaked as well but that could just be coincedental now that xp is only for taking

zenith scarab
pulsar spear
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It could be but we have been saying it since before it went to open closed beta. I get there may be other priorities as well.

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Like fixing production lag issues

red obsidian
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387 crowns, and I'm 2nd on the leaderboard, but I did do RPS for guild exp as well

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crisp condor
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If there is a max cap on items you can get (great monster aspects, amity things etc etc) per day
Why should we choose those over anything else after a few?

orchid meadow
crisp condor
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Maybe for items, make it a lower chance to get one? So we could get more than 2 per day

pulsar spear
# orchid meadow I need to clear this up, as it appears there's a misunderstanding with what I wr...

Like I said later, not disagreeing with what you said. I am saying that the evidence makes it to appear that if there are no caps then the diminishing returns are so high that it mays as well be a cap. Crownship proofs could have an 80% with 2% increase to rapidly hit 99.99% and Florens could be a 90% with 5% increases while Orns and Gold seem to be 20% and Items/Settler's Crownguards seem to be 95% with a 4% increase after the first one. These may not be caps at all. Sorry if it seemed like I was mincing your words. We can only give results and what we observe since we don't know the formulas.

orchid meadow
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This needed to be cleared up for folks reading

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pulsar spear
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Yeah then

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To try to be succint: You reported what the devs are reporting. We are saying the obsered behavior is not what the devs are reporting.

orchid meadow
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No, I was not. I said I hadn't heard of any

If I were reporting that the devs said there were none, I'd have said so :)

pulsar spear
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But we have been saying for over 3 weeks this information

orchid meadow
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Should read the rest of my message then ;)

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#1275487953480712324 message

red obsidian
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Both points can be true, Dangy has not heard of there being caps, however the players are observing hard/soft caps in their rewards based on the data we have collected so far.

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Whether the observed caps are intentional is the question, which is where Dangy saying he hadn't heard about caps matters, because that points to them potentially being unintentional.

serene dirge
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I think it will be more beneficial for the overall beta at this time to focus on functionality/stability, rather than a daily checkin for rewards.

Reward curves, diminishing returns, and underscoring values used within are likely going to see a lot of change as we progress towards live, and may not be the best use of our time right now

orchid meadow
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Thanks boss man!

pulsar spear
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Well as I have said before, functionally they work. Issues being persistence when leaving VD area can be a little too short.
NPC's haven't attacked me yet - anyone else had them attack? Is this supposed to be just loss of health over time that maybe I missing?
OS still have really bad Mana and taking stuff with them is now really hard. I have a T7 with 0 Mana.
OS fights seem to have a high def/ward against NPC and only waiting for PVP decay seems to allow them to hit, even with good weapons or pets. My T9 for instance is in all GF gear with a SpiritGarm as a pet and has to wait several rounds to do damage.
The rest of all my concerns are with all the above and things that may come after live like spawn rate, turnover etc.

pulsar spear
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I need to know release day so I can take off work for a couple of days to get ahead mightiest_mimic please and thank you in advance.

desert zenith
pulsar spear
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So testing with the T3 alt I only get enough mana for 2-3 attacks anyway. The T2/3 alt is able to hit on the first hit. The same with my T2/T3 OS as well. I will try with my sandbox to kick out the Mirror's T4/5-T9/10

zenith scarab
pulsar spear
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T9 doesn't seem to change out pets and still has to wait for PVP Decay to kick in

serene dirge
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have you always been using ramparts/crownguards?

pulsar spear
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When I test using crownguards it appears all 3 give 60% increase to stats and when the attacker 0'd out AL that 60% boost seemed to make it harder - but not impossible to kill them

serene dirge
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i'm referring to the NPC takeover

zenith scarab
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I have not used a rampart or a crownguard in 3 weeks.

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Which, I am not sure how crownguard reward is scaled but so far all I have ever seen are the Settler's Crownguards.

pulsar spear
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I used Ramparts 1 time

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I used all 3 Crownguards one time as well

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I do get that message about settlement HP being restored when I click on them after alt or sandbox attack

pulsar spear
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Depending on timing for attacks my testing of those two might have gone on long enough to cancel out an OT attack by NPC which is why I was asking if anyone had the OT attack yet.

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Oh and I have had regular turnover with sandbox to test stuff as well.

jolly sable
# serene dirge i'm referring to the NPC takeover

The settlement near my OT I have taken since the earliest version of konqueror's guild remains un-takeovere'd, even though I have never purchased any rampart, used any crownguard, or revisited it.

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(Though I have attacked it with other accounts. If that resets the "timer" needed for takeovers, then that might've been it)

swift flame
jolly sable
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the ~only time I remember that distinctly not happening was when summoner released and apple was taking several weeks to approve the patch

pulsar spear
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So uh, settlements have completely dissappeared for me.

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Last pic shows last time I took a beta one and you can see a settlment close to me in that

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Relog, refresh nothing

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and it's because I was at my house through the return to wayvessel lol

crisp condor
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Le me check

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Yep everything fine overhere

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I still haven't been attacked by npcs near my ot

cursive solar
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I still see settlements, too.

pulsar spear
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Yeah like I said it was a return to OT issue not the settlements heh, realized when I posted pick and had that lil blue portal on the foot

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That gave it away

cursive solar
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Well, now we know that you can't use them through wayvessels return to origin town.

west plinth
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I love how settlements function. They're fantastic, really. Othersouls are super cute and interesting!

Ok so I have a lot of respect for the obviously huge amount of work that's gone into Conquerer's and this alpha build. I have to be honest, the one thing I don't like about Conquerer's Guild vs territory control, is Conq Guild does not feel like I am conquering areas or land.

Obviously this is my opinion. I feel like I'm controlling a randomly placed building, vs territory control where I feel like I'm controlling anything from vast areas of land, to small pockets.

To me, what makes territory control so wonderful is knowing that wherever I go, there is another area waiting for me to conquer just beyond the boundaries of the cirlces within my sight.

Conq Guild settlement placement feels scattered. I do not get the feeling they're associated with areas or land.

While I can of course choose legacy mode and participate in territory control, I fell in love with Orna because of two systems; territory and kingdoms. It's bittersweet to know two things:
A) Territory control in fact won't be improved or expanded on after all.
B) Inevitably some/many of the players whom I've fought over territory for, will no longer be engaging with it.

I have a ton of further thoughts on this, but what I wrote here is the core of it. Testing Conquerer's has made me see why it's been a feature that's needed a bit of time to be ready for testing. Territory/exploration is so tightly integrated into the overworld, not to mention the settlement concept and functionality 🥵

west plinth
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Here's some more related but separate feedback. TLDR = bolded text.

  1. Those who choose Legacy Conqueror:
    1a) You don't seem to get the choice of going to New World Conqueror later
    1b) **Typo **with the Legacy Conqueror choice in-game, it's missing an 'r'; Legacy Conqueor
    (TBH the number of times I've spelt Conq incorrectly while writing these posts is insane. Damn this word!!!)

  2. For those who choose New World Conqueror choice, there are some interactions with traditional 'areas' that stand out to me. I'm not sure what I think about these.
    2a) New World players still see area names, and their OT is still associated with areas. There doesn't appear to be any further relevance of areas to their game. Feels odd but maybe it's just something to get used to.
    2b) New World players have the Travellers Guild overworld button, regardless of whether they will use Travellers Guild. Just an observation. Having played for 5 years, I see the path that led to this and it's fine, though it seems odd. Perhaps it should eventually be adjusted somehow but I'm undecided. This is an alpha after all.

Thanks for listening, much respect to the devs 🫡

pulsar spear
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I swear Odie giving me 15% TD and BB1 is like messing with me

clever scroll
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Bestial bond 1 is 10% territory def??

crisp condor
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I will take the 40% crit one and 15% def ty

clever scroll
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I couldn't get that one because of work mimic

pulsar spear
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Yeah I would love 40% crit but I don't have it

rapid fossil
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Thank you for the responses, Odie & Dangy! I had suspected that most of the resources were currently being utilised on functionality and bug swatting before item balancing. It's very encouraging to see it addressed.

pulsar spear
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I personally am not sure what to test anymore now

crisp condor
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I was at work too

pulsar spear
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I don't even know where that was lol

crisp condor
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It was a chilly 10/80

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I nearly released all of my frustrations on a random dum customer

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I went to the bathroom just to calm down

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That's when the fire nation attacked
I mean, that's when I saw it and the double made me feel better

pulsar spear
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er that August 10 so 17 days ago?

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Were you in the north pole hanging out with Avatar lol

crisp condor
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THE AUGUST 10th

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I was at my shity job trying to not lose my mind

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In the north pole ofc
While the Avatar was the client

pulsar spear
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ah well I hate to miss something like that /shrug

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I miss a lot of the good ones

crisp condor
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Same but now I am trying to keep an ear for them

pulsar spear
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I am part of 5 hunts but still miss em

crisp condor
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🫂

opal vector
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Can I just suggest the full removal of territory income, and the "question" upon opening the guild for the first time? It seems to be horribly misinterpreted, and territory income is negligible anyway.

I think this change would enormously lessen Conqueror's Guild confusion. I, and many others, interpreted it to mean Conqueror's Guild income is being given up, not territory income, just because no one really thinks about territory income. At 1200 territories, I currently make about as much per day as I get from a typical T10 monster.

Other than that, my concerns are gone, and I'm now super excited!

vital bolt
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If the territory rewards are negligible, why keep them arround? Would create some sort of FOMO to people considering new world conquerors and new players who won't have the choice to optin for old territory pvp as of now.

west plinth
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Territory rewards are gone either way (which is fine - surely nobody plays territory control for the rewards). Although I don't know what happens to territory rewards if you don't build the Conq guild in the first place

vital bolt
opal vector
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If it were up to me, the old system would be left alone entirely. I don't want to start that discussion.

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But for now, the question is what's causing confusion. I've been incredibly anxious, and even after playing the beta, I still assumed it meant Conqueror's Guild income.

vital bolt
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But it is being left alone to those who still want to engage with it - There's just no, negligible, rewards anymore

opal vector
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New players won't be able to engage with it, right?

west plinth
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Agreed the Conq guild question/message is a lot.

If the message is necessary, perhaps just adjusting the wording may be appropriate, for clarity?

Eg
Legacy Conqueror
The Conqueror's Guild and its rewards will become available to you.
Additionally, you will keep access to the current Territory etc etc..

New World Conqueror
The Conqueror's Guild and its rewards will become available to you.
Additionally, you will surrender all currently owned Areas etc etc...

vital bolt
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Changing the explanation text would seem easier then 😅

west plinth
opal vector
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I mean if I make a new character after it's launched, I won't be able to engage with the territory system. That's what I've heard, and now I'm questioning if that's true too.

vital bolt
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Correct

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New characters will just automatically be new world conquerors

opal vector
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I won't go into that here, I don't like it or understand it. But yes, altering the question would be a tremendous help to the messaging. After being corrected, I've relayed the message far and wide, to sighs of relief.

desert zenith
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The random building feel is a little odd compared to the old system. If there was one settlement per circle, whose interface was accessed like the old one, that would retain the old feel and solve placement of settlements but the new design looks likely to create more fights where the clusters are (depending on cool downs etc). So instead of all of I80 being owned by someone we will have little clusters along it, right? If it was one settlement per old territory that would also give a migration path for old territory holders to move to new world because they could have the top spot retained. I.e. your 3,4,5 year investment in taking land isn't wiped out. If there are multiple randomly placed settlement buildings that's not an easy option to implement (you would have to locate at least one settlement per territory held and put the player in the appropriate slot for their tier). Just thinking aloud. Back to functional testing with me 😊🤔

serene dirge
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We definitely do not want to see the same # of control points in the Guild. Too many control points ultimately means less competition, as there is less need to compete with others for some territory

zenith scarab
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Honestly, mechanically I feel the whole thing is pretty solid. Not sure what else to test at the moment outside of some small balancing tweaks to OS/Rewards/Density etc etc.

I personally like it.

pulsar spear
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Agreed - I do think that there will have to be some tweaks post release - I would be happy with open live beta at this point.

serene dirge
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Still a couple things to implement and then test - tutorials, Exploration, etc. after that, we can head to live beta 🙂

zenith scarab
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Mmm. do like me some exploration

remote onyx
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Who should I email at Apple to make them speed the process up?

serene dirge
remote onyx
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Thanks so much boss! TestFlight didn’t notify me but when I opened it it was already working!

desert zenith
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Right, so significantly less control points than now, which forces more competition esp. in populated areas. What will happen to Master Duke title as that was based on old territory?

warm wigeon
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Yeah in same boat as others - think mechanically it's sound at this point. Hard to get balance exact without testing in public beta though so that one is a wait and see

orchid meadow
supple violet
pulsar spear
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Well thankfully - at least for now? - Settlements don't move. Odie has said they will be reduced in live or hinted at that here: #1275487953480712324 message

zenith scarab
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I kinda wish they did move, would be interesting. But I know I'm probably not in the majority there

pulsar spear
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I mean it could be fun to see other people and stuff for sure, but the RNG on this could be worse than towers and monuments which can be a pain in the butt.

remote onyx
opal vector
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Do we know yet how long it takes settlements to be lost to NPCs if they're "abandoned"?

Do we know where the balance is on a typical player fighting a high end geared Othersoul?

Would like to see density of Settlements be related to population density, if that isn't already planned.

Those are my tidbits for now.

red obsidian
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I was curious, the hype said about 30% the amount of territories, but it does feel like we are there already... Unless we are at 50% and I have bad luck near me on the beta

opal vector
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I dabbled a good bit last night, and I like the system. :)

desert zenith
# opal vector I dabbled a good bit last night, and I like the system. :)

Yeah it seems pretty solid as others have said. I guess we will just have to wait and see what it looks like when way more people are playing the beta. In two weeks I will get a chance to take about 6-7k settlements across the UK. So I should then see loads of fights the the following weeks from other beta players.

opal vector
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Yeah, I'm excited to see it go live despite my opinion on the territory system being dropped.

desert zenith
pulsar spear
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I would hope that population density didn't play a part in this, stuff like that totally screws less populous areas and forces people to go to cities

opal vector
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I'd say there's a way to fit it in the middle, where there's plenty for you in a rural area, but there's maybe a percentage more in high density areas, where competition is more fierce.

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Not sure what that percentage would be. I feel like if you don't, the opposite is true, with rural players getting a big advantage. I'll take it though, I live in a rural area and I don't mind grabbing all the uncontested settlements up. Nom :3

west plinth
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What if areas were much larger, and a settlement is located somewhere in the middle half of each area?
-it associates settlements with territory
-have varying area sizes

zenith scarab
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Other than a visible virtual circle on the ground I am not sure what the difference is except now they'd just be randomly placed instead of mostly evenly gridded out depending on player activity.

west plinth
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Yeah. Maybe I'm just addicted to circles. Atm in New World Conqueror, having a tiny circle around settlements, and seeing the area names everywhere is feeling strange. Controlling a settlement feels like owning a tiny area in the world, like being on a pokemon go gym. Maybe those and area names will turn out differently after alpha

dusk flume
orchid meadow
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#game-announcements message

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Tis in there :)

swift flame
# orchid meadow Tis in there :)

Maybe an update stating that apple is now available though in a seperate thread? I just didn't get a notification that there is something new to read in announcements. I do see that the post on the 20th has test flight info for apple though.

tepid zodiac
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Needs some purchasable NPC helpers

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Like Carl and Dudley and Cade

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It's be a party

dreamy scroll
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Dear game developers. I was little bit sceptic but finally with beta for ios I jumped today into beta testing. It is even worst than I thought. I hope majority of the players will stay in current system. PVP and fights for teritories is nearly only one content keeping me in the game after 4 years in orna. Do everything you want, introduce settlements or even hells but I kindly ask you do not change anything on areas claiming . 🙏🏻

unreal lily
vital bolt
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If you opt into Legacy Conqueror you can still engage with the old system alongside with the new one. You'll just miss out on the few rewards from the old system

dreamy scroll
dreamy scroll
unreal lily
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They're definitely committed to leaving the old system alone.

But what makes the new system so bad?

vital bolt
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well then never build the guild and nothing will change

zenith scarab
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Only thing I might not like about the new system is all the defensive options. But I'm not entirely sold on that being a complete negative given the costs. Think it's one of those things I am going to have to feel out over a few months in live.

pulsar spear
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So I took my 37 al (now 46) mirror and I tested by having the mirror defend with the pet and all the buffs possible and it took me about 10 hits with a Sandbox wearing no adorns to win against it - I wasnt using a cheese build though just normal D. Ursa.

dreamy scroll
# unreal lily They're definitely committed to leaving the old system alone. But what makes th...

Orna is a complex game with many aspects that culminate in PVP. Here's the first problem, where the new system completely ignores what makes the game so great: character development. The new system is a compromise for weaker players who started playing later. So what... this is how it is in many other online games. The second problem is that PVP is supposed to be fast and easy. The new system is not. And thirdly, I have no interest in playing with othersouls. I play rpgs where I only want one character. Which represent me in the game. I am sure it would be much more clear if I could speak with you personally. Srry I am not a native speaker and having sometimes problem to express things clearly 😉

unreal lily
lime egret
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One thing I love about this system is it finally gives a use to all the garbage materials besides refinery fuel||🤮||. I must have burned tens of thousands of mythril hide and whatnot godforging lowtier gear this month.

pulsar spear
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So this new system still allows you to do teh fast 1 shot style on the crown your character is - you don't have to get all the T2-T9 stuff The T10/11 gives you control over the whole thing

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It does allow you a reason to return where old system didn't

clever scroll
# dreamy scroll Orna is a complex game with many aspects that culminate in PVP. Here's the first...

About problem 1, Conquerors Guild is made to give more rewards the more activity (fights/stealing settlements) there is, and I really don't like how some old players just want to keep an entire city and have everyone see them, I prefer continuous battles in one place than never having fights, thanks to the old system there were kingdoms that had a rule not to capture territories from other kingdoms or other people if you wanted to enter the kingdom, something like that shouldn't happen anymore with the new one.

The second problem I agree 100%, I don't understand why making it slow, I hope NF fixes it

The third problem, we are not supposed to fight with the T3 (for example) NF made a territory for each Tier, and even so we have the option to compete there with the Othersouls, so I don't see anything wrong with them

lean hearth
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Every time you attack a real player in a settlement, they start out with their full HP, instead of allowing themselves to be whittled down in successive battles. Is this expected behavior?

desert zenith
rapid fossil
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Likely not, because one of the ramparts items is designed around restoring settlement HP

opal vector
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I have a few questions, all of which require too much time to test, or I can't currently test because I'm stuck where there isn't a settlement:

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  • Do you get reputation from each Crown you hold in a settlement, or just one per?

  • How long does it take to lose a settlement to an NPC? I understand that this is subject to change, but I'm curious at what the "working" timeframe is right now.

  • How often do you need to visit a settlement to prevent that?

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I'm visiting my settlements tonight to test the first one, if no one can currently answer.

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Also, I want to play with Othersouls tonight to test the power comparison a bit. In light testing, it looks like Othersouls would CRUSH typical players at lower tiers if heavily geared, but they'd find it more difficult at higher tiers. Likely due to class and accessory power increasing significantly at higher tiers, making the lack of them matter more?

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Rambling. Ily all~

cursive solar
red obsidian
rapid fossil
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I'm not sure where the "too slow" debate comes from. Taking five crowns in one settlement is much faster than taking 5 territories. Taking the emperor crown is just as fast as taking 1 territory.

opal vector
pulsar spear
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Take the T10 and maybe come back later on

rapid fossil
# opal vector It creates an interesting strategic choice of building "tall" vs "wide". Its eas...

I've been thinking about that. On my old adventure-paths, in one trip I could easily reclaim each Emperor spot and set the rewards, then hold it for a while. Maybe even take several OS spots, too, depending on if it's a small cluster of settlements. However, taking each spot would require more time. If you're moving at high speeds, yes, taking all the spots would take multiple trips, but the actual crown count you can get in a certain amount of time seems to be higher than territories. Nevermind that I can park in one spot, take 20 crowns without moving, and move on to the next spot. Taking 20 territories requires much more movement and time.

opal vector
rapid fossil
pulsar spear
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Well like I said I like the new system

rapid fossil
opal vector
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My biggest criticism is still on the tossing away if the old system with no compensation. My other criticisms are all based in numbers, and numbers can change.

rapid fossil
pulsar spear
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I think the old system was very limited to a very niche group of people like maybe 250 at the most - probably could be wrong and I bet Odie has better numbers. The fact they put in up to 6 years on it does say something.

rapid fossil
opal vector
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I fought my way into it. I just took two more territories off of Wrecked. I see how this system is better in every way, and I now agree with removing it entirely. I think the "choice" should be to keep your old territory, or to turn in your territory for compensation. Maybe the new currency. Sprites. Something to compensate thousands of hours of work.

rapid fossil
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I don't say that to diss the rest of the game, just that it's really the only thing I play for besides maintaining my kingdom. I don't know what we're getting stronger for otherwise.

rapid fossil
zenith scarab
opal vector
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It takes about 5 minutes to win a fight, so I can't win the "war" so to speak, but I'm able to take a reasonable number of territories for my level and area.

rapid fossil
opal vector
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He could counter my strategy, he knows how I do it, but he holds too much territory to sacrifice his overall power to stop me taking a handful of spots.

Point being, it's not an exclusive system, but the new system is certainly more inclusive than the current.

rapid fossil
crisp condor
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I cast gun!

rapid fossil
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Maybe that's uncalled for in an election year.

crisp condor
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It's ineffective against Seba

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I cast 1000 bullets!

rapid fossil
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o_o I didn't prepare with bullet control!

crisp condor
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Ggez

rapid fossil
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Next time I'll bring in an anime trope card so I have a waifu to deflect the 1000 bullets with a katana

crisp condor
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No anime zone, sorry

opal vector
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Wait, so what's going to happen to the 5% stat bonus for owning a territory?

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Is it passed on to the nearby settlement?

serene dirge
# dreamy scroll Orna is a complex game with many aspects that culminate in PVP. Here's the first...

If you’re only committed to playing your league (as you virtually are in the current system), there is the same level of strategy and character development as the current system. Usage of othersouls is only needed if you are competing in every league, which is reserved for the most competitive

I’m just not sure how I understand this feedback in relation to old vs new - if you want to maximize your rewards, reputation, you’ll still want to knock out the big guys

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For speed - what are players finding slower? I’m able to jump in and out of battles arguably just as fast as before (and no need to change UI to Control/Explore)

pulsar spear
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Speed of fights vs any type of lag

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OS Fights seem to require the PVP Decay to kick in (10+ turns I think) at times even with good gear

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They seem to be getting tweaked but for the hardcore it could require multiple passes - which to me is ok

crisp condor
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Buff 3 turns

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Kill

rapid fossil
rapid fossil
crisp condor
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Is kingdom heart an anime game?

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Ups offtopic

clever scroll
lean hearth
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As an iPhone user, I hadn't had a chance to participate in the Beta until tonight. My first impressions are generally positive, but I have two complaints.

First, I don't like the random placement of settlements. One of the benefits of the old system is that the whole of the explored world had circles. You knew you could spawn new land in that brand-new subdivision. Very helpful for lower level players to snag some in a busy city. In this new system, I drove for over a mile and there wasn't a single settlement to be seen. Then, I found three of them in a single city block, so close the circles were almost touching. Territory control is hard enough without hunting around like we have to do for towers. If you can't have the same density as the legacy circles, that's fine. Make the circles bigger, but please keep some sort of fuller coverage with more even placement. Having no settlements in a town except the three on private property and two out in the lake is frustrating.

Second, I REALLY don't like the resetting of an opponent's HP if you fail in battle. Whittling down a higher tier player is how EVERY PvPer got their start. If you want lower level players to enjoy this aspect of the game, you can't reset a player's HP. The entire world will be covered in Gilgamesh turtles who will be unkillable in a single attempt and the stagnation will destroy end game. This would be a disaster if implemented this way.

One man's opinion...

opal vector
lean hearth
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However, neither I nor my son have seen an official post to that effect.

opal vector
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I think @lean swift said it in his video, which is probably as close to official as we'll get.

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Also, the buyable rampart that heals you is a sort of indirect confirmation in my own opinion.

west plinth
# unreal lily They're definitely committed to leaving the old system alone. But what makes th...

Leaving the old system alone is the concern itself, and a bit disappointing for a few reasons;
A) To me, the way settlements are implemented in the overworld does not satisfy what territory control does. Settlement pvp is great but feels more aligned to Blades of Finesse than area/territory control
B) Anticipating improvements/upgrades to the old system, to instead have it become a legacy feature and no further improvements is disappointing. I mean it is what it is and I'll accept that while sharing feedback 😁
C) I can only assume its inevitable that participation in the old system will decline. That makes it less fun for me to engage with. I'm already feeling this myself. I've been participating less in regular Orna's territory control in anticipation of the system's overhaul.

opal vector
west plinth
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I'd go as far as saying I would be fine with a complete reset of controlled areas, if it meant getting an upgraded system that exists in the world in a similar way, and thst we interact with in a similar way.

I'm all for having fewer overall areas for the reasons Odie previously mentioned along the lines of having fewer points of contest = higher competition in those spaces. But I'm super keen for them to exist in the world representing areas, which are able to be found in some kind of predictable manner

opal vector
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I really think that's all that I don't like. The randomness, rather than representing real areas, and the lack of compensation for old territory.

serene dirge
west plinth
desert zenith
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One thing that will die that I used to enjoy is flying with in flight WiFi. At that speed the game likely won't render the settlements fast enough for you to enter and start an emperor fight. I know that's a niche thing but it used to entertain me being 'death from above' 😊

raven echo
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Got into the beta, great work, I did want to request a stat page for the oversouls. So you can see how impactful the equipped gear is on them.

west plinth
opal vector
west plinth
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Thank you Mr and/or Mrs President, it means a lot ;p

opal vector
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Madam President, I think is the proper title?

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Could be wrong I dunno 🤷‍♀️. On the campaign trail, they said I wasn't presidential.

magic lion
opal vector
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Rofl. Won't that affect your ability to fight more serious targets? :3

opal vector
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Plus, only level 250 players with 100 ALs can participate in the territory game, I'm told.

magic lion
opal vector
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That's pretty fair. I don't have the motivation to try and take more territory off of you, honestly. I only took those other two because it's my current OT. I move my OT every 3 days, and if you see me take anymore, it's just that.

rapid fossil
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And also Odie saying so just now 😅

rapid fossil
opal vector
rapid fossil
rapid fossil
jolly sable
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So Amgiq would be roughly the size of my terrible hand drawn circle

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Or that, if I could draw

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It's not a bad suggestion, even moreso when you allow clustering, since Odie did say he liked a little bit of that (so some settlements near edges)

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What I am unconvinced about, however, is.. what is the point? What do the new circles areas offer that the current settlement system doesn't?

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What makes it worth the extra development time?

buoyant falcon
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My opinion is that the little guy sitting on the settlement is way cooler than being center of a circle

desert zenith
# rapid fossil Technically, most people couldn't do that anyway. Depending on the plane's WiFi ...

Never happened to me. Only Did it on about 8 flights over 2 years. Got people add me to ask wtf dude 🤔🤣 OK back to beta feedback: travelled about 180miles today taking settlements. With regards distribution, I think it's OK. Perhaps a little less clustering and a little less dead zones. It would be nice to have an option to drop you directly into your top tier slot fight when clicking on a settlement owned by a npc or other player. All the clicking adds up when your on a train or passenger in a car, or lunatic in a plane 👋😁

desert zenith
indigo flume
crisp condor
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Mmm, probably will not affect their size?

jolly sable
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If frequency did not affect size and you did want settlements to be tied to areas, then you would have zones in the world that do not belong to areas

zenith scarab
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Only thing I will miss about the current territory system is seeing the long strings of straight line single territories spaced close together across mountainous terrain with questionable mobile service.

crisp condor
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Ok but then.. if they end up being too big players will have to travel kinda too much

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But if it is worth it.. I guess

pulsar spear
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I do think the circle could grow a bit bigger, even if it's not tied to a territory. The longer you own it the bigger the circle around it - up to a certain side. Would cause some overlap for clusters but could be a nice visual. My biggest and only worry is that with all RNG some people will end up with clusters of six ore more from home.

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I remember the times before VD in Colorado where I had 0 Dungeons and we had to map them out manually on google maps to figure out good routes to do them in. Was always funny stopping in someones HoA where Karens would ask you what you are doing on public roads.

zenith scarab
desert zenith
zenith scarab
desert zenith
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I wish we could tie this in with Kingdoms. It would be great to have some strategic Kingdom vs Kingdom fighting but due to Kingdom size limits and time zone coverage it's not really possible. How about alliances (of Kingdoms) with a view to some sort of strategic territorial battles between alliances? The rewards could be discounted Kingdom raids and so on. Just a thought for the future.

jaunty ember
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Does anyone know if there's new achievements on the upcoming territory system?

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I don't know how to use the search function, if it's been asked already D:

pulsar spear
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I don't see one

supple violet
supple violet
supple violet
crisp condor
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"chest here"
"Jump"
"Wrong way" (probably the right way)
"I was with your mother the other night"

supple violet
crisp condor
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Indeed

cursive solar
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"try finger, but hole"

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"parrying required ahead"

supple violet
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"Why did I come here?"

balmy ridge
opal vector
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I hope this becomes a thing. Don't the messages disappear after a week though?

tepid zodiac
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I think a month

opal vector
jaunty ember
cursive solar
opal vector
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I like that.

supple violet
supple violet
opal vector
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Achievement set?

supple violet
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the

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uh

opal vector
magic lion
# supple violet

The achievements will likely be removed like the live pvp achievement was removed when it came around the first time and then was taken out before bof. Still have access to whatever titles you unlocked while they existed though

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Seeing as nf hasn't answered about the achievement maybe it's possible it will stick around since there's still an interest in it from the players. If it were tied to conq guild, it would be hell of a lot easier to hit 250k

west plinth
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An issue with the concept of making areas bigger and having settlements tied to areas: What about origin towns, what defines an origin town?

I think we need to wait and see what changes are coming for exploration mode.

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Another thought.. Presently in alpha New World Conqueror it looks like areas are serving only to define OT placement

crisp condor
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Make the origin town something like we have in aetheric then

pulsar spear
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Territories still exist, they are just losing their Dukedoms, you can still go in and rename them - the dukedom is what gave it the circle of influence is best way to see it imo

magic lion
lean hearth
lean hearth
# jolly sable What I am unconvinced about, however, is.. what is the point? What do the new ci...

It would achieve a more even distribution (similar to the legacy system) which means that you know where you can expect to find a settlement. That is important because there are still people who walk, run, or bike to play this game. Seeing a blank "hole" in the map in a new subdivision would normally get them walking down that street. Walking a mile down the street, but not finding a settlement would be very frustrating, as they put in the effort, but didn't get the expected reward.

jolly sable
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Predictability, then

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Not something that couldn't be fixed with higher view distance of the current system, while not necessarily being able to interact with them. Amity style, if that makes sense

remote onyx
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My issue with that proposal is that it generates frustration and goes against what you expect from every other building in the game. If I can see a building, I expect it to be something I can interact with

lean hearth
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Well, that depends on how they allow visibility and interaction with settlements. Right now, you can't see settlements beyond 400m if I am correct, so increased view distance would be useless if that stays to Live. How do settlements spawn? Are they all set in stone or do you get a new one if new roads are built? Again, that is all a matter of how NF sets these things up.

red obsidian
# jolly sable Not something that couldn't be fixed with higher view distance of the current sy...

I suggesting upping the visible distance to closer to 600 and keeping interaction distance at 400 because it gives that old feeling of seeing the next one and it leading you to go areas you normally may not with the "Oh there is one over there, mind if we turn down this street" type scenario, but I got a bit of pushback with players who don't like the unable to interact with this area layout of the current system.

jolly sable
jolly sable
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... I think. I'm like, 72% sure

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And yeah, higher VD doesn't help, but that's something that can be fedback

spark glade
pulsar spear
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Same I really hate that lol

spark glade
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The way it is now is a god send in that regard. The old territory system was infuriating because of that issue

pulsar spear
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Oh that memory is just 1M away but I see it and I can't click it argh

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Or you get like 5 circles all next to eachother and 4 of the 5 are reachable but one, even though it's touching just like the others, is not

spark glade
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Exactly that

red obsidian
pulsar spear
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That could just be lag unless you are in a super rare area like the Northern regions of Russia/Sibera or something

pulsar spear
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Also if you are traveling at above normal than speed limits they can "pop" on top of you b/c of speed.

opal vector
red obsidian
pulsar spear
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I already have a lot of people that have gone all the places around here

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Beta server is plenty old

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it's not a fresh one everytime 😄

desert zenith
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I will be expanding beta in the Scottish Highlands in two weeks.

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So if I want to get Master Duke IX I have to do it before this is released? Or can I get it after release if I don't transition. I think I only need another 2.5k. Obs Master Duke X is not happening

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Ah 4.5k away from Master Duke VIII. IX doesn't exist and X is impossible

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(Pretty much). Perhaps I shouldn't be betaing and trying to crush territories instead

red obsidian
somber field
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I love the concept of othersouls, being able to use under tier gear with best quality and craft the best build to defend your area is very fun and engaging when you loot gear that doesn't interest you for your class or your tier.

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I hope to see some future content that involves using some lower class tier to complete challenges, it would be incredible.
I'm not a great fan of alting, but the idea of rediscovering a tier and its classes with your actual experience and the best equipment of the tier makes me hyped.

crisp condor
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There are no classes for othersouls

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Sadly

somber field
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Balanced PvP area, I understand it, but for PvE content or regular PvP it could be fun and fair

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Also with Othersouls we can store the PvP loadout for defense, but not with our own tier loadout, could we please ?

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PvP offense and PvP defense are usually different, plus when doing other content we can change followers, which can have a HUGE impact depending of the class used

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And I could go further that some class defends better than others, for example I prefer using Beowulf Auriga to defend and Beowulf Hydrus to attack areas

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Truly, a dedicated loadout to Area Defense is all I ask for this Conquering update, It's frustrating and anxious to realize your areas are taken because you didn't switch from Farming to Territory defense loadout

crisp condor
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Slots for pets in our loadoutsmightiest_mimic

analog dew
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In defence of the settlement distribution, it makes sense that you want to own a village and not a random field. And they aren't evenly distributed in the real world

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Hopefully the exploration is a bit more tied to the area itself and evenly distributed though.

desert zenith
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My plan is three alts with rings of restraint.... rather than other souls

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Cos why not?

remote onyx
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Sounds like a bunch of work just to gimp your main’s rewards and try to keep everyone else away from the system

crisp condor
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And an asshole move

desert zenith
# crisp condor And an asshole move

Then do away with alts by giving you a heart of change for them so you can transfer all your alts xp, mats, old territory and so on to your main.

crisp condor
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Nah

desert zenith
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Then I will use my alts to do alt things, asshole or not as they can use their classes and kingdom florins help my alt kingdom so... 🤷

analog dew
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Actually that is a legit problem with the low florin cap / diminishing returns. Five alts feeding into a kingdom > 125 max florins for a single player

remote onyx
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Game feature’s shouldn’t be changed to fit with alt play. Alt play should just be outright removed from the game imo

magic lion
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^ this. Just remove alt play entirely or strictly limit it

magic lion
# opal vector No honor in taking dying lands. I just have to hope you decide to stick around a...

Not likely or at least not heavily lol. Not a huge fan of the randomization of settlements among other things... not that it's a bad system in itself, just not that enjoyable to me as it is. I wish the old system would have just been reworked. Settlements could be an entirely separate entity from the existing territory control. The option for both should exist still for new players. ie there shouldn't even be an option to have to choose from, just have both in the game, but not allowing any new players to opt into legacy has ultimately killed it entirely with time

desert zenith
magic lion
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You can excel in the game without alts. I'm not an alt player and I'm ranked 36(35) on global. And I've hardly touched the game for 3 months now to even hold that rank up. Outside of territory, pve has been nearly non existent for me

desert zenith
magic lion
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If you're running an alt kingdom you're not a casual 😅

zenith scarab
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You do you Igg, play however you feel is fun so long as it's within the rules. And playing lower tier characters is clearly within the accepted rules of the game. NF's stance so far as I've always seen has been to give alternatives to alt play. I think OS is yet another step towards that in this new system.

desert zenith
desert zenith
crisp condor
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First time hearing about alt kingdoms I thought that they are a joke or something
It really isn't a casual player thing lol

analog dew
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If someone decides they want control over spawning kingdom raids it takes all of an hour to slam out five level 10 alts

crisp condor
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Any news on the release date?

magic lion
# analog dew If someone decides they want control over spawning kingdom raids it takes all of...

You need lvl 25 to join a kingdom. Albeit fast to hit the early tiers (because realistically most are not stopping at lvl 25 and have tiered alts for different dungeons), you still have to level up the kingdom for high tier raids, do wars, do gauntlets, do quests. Gear your alts well for success in wars otherwise what's the point? Quite a bit of time invested into alting for those that do it legitimately

desert zenith
# crisp condor First time hearing about alt kingdoms I thought that they are a joke or somethin...

It's handy to have one when you're between Kingdoms as you slowly accrue benefit. Being that territory holding will give you some minor benefits in terms of Florins if you're not that bothered by benefits with your main using alts benefits your tiny kingdom. That was my thinking. Anyway let's not get too off track. It's a sandbox and I don't see it as an arsehole move, after all it just levels the field with other attacking players of that tier and makes it harder for higher level tiers to use their other souls to kick you out.

crisp condor
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I still see it as a bad fait move but it's not like it isn't permitted

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Do whatever fits your bill

spark glade
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If the base system isn’t built for you to put an alt into the spot of an othersoul from your main account then I’m not really in agreement of the sentiment, but we’ll see how the balance of things plays out with that being used by some players

opal vector
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I'll use alts close to home for thematic reasons and to be a tyrant with super bosses at every tier. But that's the only perk I see, "because I can".

desert zenith
cedar wing
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Hii

Just making a very Quick try, and maybe this as been already answerd.

I made a new player, took 4 areas , then built the guild and choose Legacy.

While i still have 4 areas under control, my reputation Is 1

It seems that choosing Legacy doesn't only lock you out from past rewards, but also cancel all reputation values of areas?

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remote onyx
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I’d much rather reputations stays as an old system stat, while creating a new one for the Conq Guild system. “Settlements Controlled” maybe?

lean swift
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I dunno if reputation updates immediately, btw - might take a day

rapid fossil
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At 2,590

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cedar wing
cedar wing
cedar wing
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Eeyup, just tested out.

Made another player, conquered some areas without buildin anithing aaand...

There's Just no reputation value anymore 😅

It seems now you unlock reputation by Building the conqueror guild?

Kinda forceful, if you ask me 😅

You all really never noticed areas losing all reputation values within this beta?

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I hope it's a bug no one noticed.
If not, all past statement of "preserving the achievement players made and not forcing gameplay change on anyone" are just bullshit 😅

Dude, the friggin Reputation it's not tied anymore to conquered areas 🤣

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That's a weird sensation this one of sitting on 17'000 comfy reputations, Just waiting for the update day to lose them all no matter what.

Fine material for an haiku 🍂

pulsar spear
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I do not get the bug? Reputation is for taking dukedoms and they are legacy. Settlements aren’t Dukedoms

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The achievement is gone too

magic lion
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Only settlements count towards reputation in the beta. Dukedoms do not count at all

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62 crownships, 62 reputation.

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I took 2 dukedoms and still have 62 reputation

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remote onyx
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If there’s already a count in the guild for how many settlements you have, that makes replacing reputation with them instead of showing both even more confusing to me

pulsar spear
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Yeah it’s confusing to me yeah

desert zenith
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So reputation is clear (based on our findings but the text needs adjusting) but Competitive rank isn't clear at all

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cedar wing
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So, what's the point of keeping dukedoms at all in the game if they do not count anymore toward reputation?

Seem a pretty big failure to merge the old system with the new one.

opal vector
desert zenith
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We could do with some clarity on what counts as PvP activities, and if there will be a settlement reputation as well as the old reputation, and/or what will happen to your reputation, in the different conversion modes. Clarity on these points would be great. Personally as much as I would like to jump right into the new system I won't until I hit Master Duke VIII but I feel sorry for anyone half way to X that's brutal.

lean hearth
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I just received my daily rewards and got a Shrine of Luck. It launched immediately upon opening my rewards. This raises two issues for me.

  1. I understand that the idea behind a shrine was always that you would go to a fixed place and get a "blessing". However, the shrines are so important in the game, that NF offered them for sale, as well. In both of these cases, the player can choose when to activate a shrine and will normally do so when there is an hour available to play the game.

In this case, players are on a 23-hour clock and must collect their rewards in that one-hour timeframe or be forced to delay their rewards, thereby missing out on rewards they would normally get. This makes the shrines of luck virtually useless for most people with jobs, families, or anything else in their lives besides 100% free time to play Orna. People won't want to miss out on the currencies, materials, orns, and gold by waiting for hours on the chance they MIGHT get a shrine or two... so they will go unused.

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  1. What happens in cases where a player sets his settlements to supply as many shrines as possible? If I have 1000 settlements and set up 200 of those to reward me with a shrine, do I get 200 shrines? Would this get me 200 hours of shrine boosts? ...or would I only get 1 hour of XP and Luck and not get compensated for the other 198 settlements?

Opinion: I wish that the "Shrine of Luck" that you buy and receive in rewards were actually a "Token of Luck" that would go into your inventory. This would generate the exact same buff, so that you couldn't stack them with Shrines of Luck. There could be an in-game limit (5 to 10?) to prevent abuse of this idea. Now, this does raise questions, such as: "How many hours of buff would be the daily limit, after which you would have to buy or find them?" But, self-triggering buffs definitely create frustration and reduce settlement rewards as they are currently implemented. I like the idea of getting rewarded with buffs, but the self-triggering aspect really needs to be addressed.

serene dirge
lean hearth
serene dirge
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If players are not in the position to use their chosen rewards, does it make sense to opt-in to them by setting their settlements to that reward structure?

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A few players have requested that rewards be once/timezone day rather than 23 hour clock. imo, that would address this better

lean hearth
# serene dirge If players are not in the position to use their chosen rewards, does it make sen...

If you continue with the 23-hour cooldown, most players will not want to miss out on orns, materials, and other rewards... so dedicated players will choose a particular time of day and set an alarm for it. If a player were to miss this window and delay the reward for 10 hours, it would take 10 days to slowly drag this window back to where it was. If they didn't do that, eventually, they would be skipping a day and losing out on those rewards. So, they won't delay their rewards so they can use the buff.

In the legacy system, this wasn't a problem as the game would reward you once per time zone day as long as you logged in (as you suggest above). However, if you add shrines to this mix, you would now be prevented from logging into the game at all for any reason until you can use your buff. You couldn't address a notification that someone was taking your land, or respond to a notification that a Kingdom War had started or even check the stats on a piece of gear without losing any shrine reward for that day.

My point is that self-triggering buffs are usually not a reward at all, since a player will only use that buff if they have an hour to themselves. Preventing a player from logging in to preserve a buff reward is frustrating. Triggering a buff when a player can't use it is frustrating.

I can't count the number of times I log into Orna in the course of a day for just a few minutes. If I have to wait until I have an hour or more available to trigger that buff, I just don't see that as a useful reward.

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Now... if your suggestion is that you would still have to press a button to claim rewards, BUT that could be anywhere within a time zone day... that actually might help to address my concerns.

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You wouldn't be guaranteed a shrine, but you could at least choose the time when you'd have an hour to make any potential shrine useful.

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As a level 250, the Shrines of Wisdom are useless to me. Only the Shrines of Luck have value. Will a player only get a single shrine with this system? Again, if I set up 200 settlements with shrine rewards, would it be possible to get both Wisdom and Luck?

spark glade
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Caelani is spot on in their concern.
Setting it up so you can get your rewards once per day rather than a 23 hour timer would be fantastic. I am not a fan of the 23 hour timer at all. I’ve had the exact issue they’ve mentioned with stuff like my mnemonics in early days when I didn’t have many of them to spare. Having to work around that timer for optimal gains is not fun.
A token of whatever shrine would be a fun idea as well, though I understand why that might not be a suitable option. But I’m in agreement that self triggering buffs are kinda meh overall

sacred spade
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Please, please, please set the rewards to once per day instead of every 23 hours

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(And change oracle temple and brazier while we're at it)

serene dirge
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Yup, I think we’ve covered cooldown topic sufficiently

As for usefulness- all reward schemes will have varying utility for players - florens for the kingdom-less, gold for at11, etc.

It’s up to the crownholder to choose the most useful reward scheme for their situational needs

remote onyx
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Can we get any comment on the reputation situation? Knowing how many areas you have and working to improve that is maybe the biggest motivation point of the old territory system. If reputation only refers to settlements controlled, anyone that stays with the legacy system will be unable to know how many areas they own ever again

serene dirge
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For legacy players, reputation is the larger of the two counts - areas vs settlements

lean hearth
crisp condor
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Gold for t11

lean hearth
# crisp condor Gold for t11

Tier 11... Just add it to the list. 😆
Like your ninth white Band of the Gods.
Like a Shrine of Wisdom.
Like the 107 pieces of Hide for sale in your Grand Market.
Like the 6-Star Hood in your Monumental Guild's Roll for Quality.
Like every Augmented Gem ever.
Like those 1-Star Followers in your Bestiary.

Like a shrine that automatically buffs you when you don't have time to use it.

rapid fossil
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Rewards at 2,721

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rapid fossil
rapid fossil
pulsar spear
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Honestly I don't like the idea of it being a once a day thing, it would be way to easy to allow some "extra motivated" person in my area to go around say one to two hours before daily reset and take all my spots just to win more rewards. By allowing me time to claim when I want to I could try to go take stuff and then turn in, or retake stuff if necessary. But we don't know how long we have to hold before we get rewards either so there is that.

jolly sable
pulsar spear
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Do you think people are able to do it 2 times a day with 23 hour cd? Is it really 23 hour or 23:59?

jolly sable
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that's the current system

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the proposed system that odie mentioned is, on daily reset, you can claim it whenever

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so you could hypothetically double-claim at 23:59 and 00:00, if you managed to forget to claim it all day

pulsar spear
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I like the idea of claiming 1 time per day and if you wanted to double claim it would be every other day anyway right?

jolly sable
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Yeah there's no benefit to doubleclaiming

pulsar spear
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I just don't want it to go to a hard reset like at 00:00 UTC

jolly sable
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Not sure what you mean there?

pulsar spear
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Daily reset for stuff - or local time rest like for daily quests and the like

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we have like 3 different reset times now as it is

jolly sable
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Ah.

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I live in UTC so I don't notice it as much
Tee hee

pulsar spear
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There is the UTC 00:00 Sunday Night for weekly reset, the same for Monument rewards then I think there is some stuff that is local midnight like daily login rewards and daily quests

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And now we have 12:00 EST for event resets so the NF team doesn't have to stay up all night to watch when things roll over

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So all that to say, as long as I can "turn in" when I would like to daily that's ok by me

unreal lily
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The hope would be that the calculation is done at some fixed time (like 00:00 UTC).
Then you can claim at any time in the next day, to receive the stuff already calculated.

||That would incentivize taking territory just before 00:00 UTC, but seems like a minor effect if people have hundreds of settlements.||

pulsar spear
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Depends on any type of CD or "hold-time" to maximize the rewards. I don't know if it's still the same but there was a test I did taking 3 crownships and tried to claim rewards right after where I got nothing. - May have to test that again

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Not sure I want to be driving around at night (having wife drive me) to maximize that either for sure

unreal lily
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I'm saying "the hope", not talking about what exists right now.

Would you really drive around right before 00:00 UTC calculation time just to claim +10 settlements? 🤔
Or maybe calculation time could be something like... 5p in each timezone, calculated per timezone.

spark glade
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Wouldn’t that just have the same proposed issue but put at a different time of day?

unreal lily
# spark glade Wouldn’t that just have the same proposed issue but put at a different time of d...

Which is the issue to solve?

Fixed calculation time -> allows for people to snipe settlements right before calculation
Loose calculation time -> allows people to double-claim settlements (e.g. personA takes settlement and claims at 9a, personB retakes and claims at 10a, both get rewards)

I think the claim time is the important change -- people don't want to login to an hour shrine if they can't immediately use it, and they don't want to risk missing daily claims nor do they want to shift everything forward on a 23hr timer.

spark glade
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I’m all for having it be done daily rather than a 23 hour timer. But if there was a universal reset time (Like 5pm as you mentioned) then I feel it’d just have the same issue as people waiting for the daily reset but at a different time of day. Both have the same problem

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Both options you said above, a loose calculation and a fixed calculation, are better than the current 23 hour timer however

opal vector
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If there are 5 different people in each of the Crowns, could you theoretically take your rewards, then change the reward choice, and then another person could choose to take theirs? Thus, getting different rewards for different people?

Very minor but I'm curious. Might be good for alts.

lean swift
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I would imagine so yeah

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If you're using alts though you might as well exchange hands of the crowns depending on the cooldown

opal vector
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That would be wiiiild.

pulsar spear
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So far we are hearing 2 hour CD - if it works like territory where it's a universal CD - it may not be worth trying to alt it up too much

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People really would drive around an hour + before a reset time to collect maximum rewards and beat out their enemies.

jolly sable
pulsar spear
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Freedom of choice

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I get to choose my hour to drive around vs being stuck doing it at 00:00 or some other preset time

jolly sable
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you don't have to claim it the moment the reset happens

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just go on a drive and claim it when you're home

pulsar spear
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as I said or some other preset time

jolly sable
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Oh I might've confused your points

pulsar spear
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I am pro a set time to have it reset daily and allow me to use it anytime of the day I want without a CD based on when I click on it

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I am just saying people could be compelled to work extra hard that hour before whatever that is, be it a 23 hour cd or a preset time.

jolly sable
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I see.

viscid parrot
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When is it expected to arrive in the game?

strong comet
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Having fiddled around more with the new settlements, I think a QoL in even finding the bloody things are in order. What if, for those who opt into the new system, the territory circles are revamped to center around the new settlements and the radius is significantly larger. Talking like, half a mile radius. That way if you find a border of a settlement's area of influence, you know how far and which direction to go

opal vector
supple violet
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Why not just make it equal for everyone

strong comet
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Wat?

supple violet
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Real talk can we please get the choice at any point to redecide if we want to swap OFF of the old system?

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(if we pick the old system)