Conqueror's Guild - Pre-Beta Discussion

[odd barn]

i just end up taking random routes every few days to mix it up to spread my influence

[stray agate]

At best, this is a topic for the "suggestions" thread anyway

[odd barn]

yea i have one up tbh

[modest tulip]

Just coming back to say I love y'all. New hype post is nice.

[odd barn]

if we are allowed to know, is there going to be 10 brackets or less? like say tier 5, tier 7 and tier10?

[lavish knoll]

There are 5 brackets

That is said in the image

[odd barn]

Ah my bad, didn't really read the image

I assumed the text in the image would be similar to the post

[green pollen]

I wonder if there’s going to be an opportunity to select legacy first to see how we like the new system before making the jump to conquer in full, and if you do change to the new system after that then you can’t change back to old or legacy. I admit I’m on the fence of which path I want to take and if I select legacy I don’t want that to be my final answer, you know?

[alpine condor]

yeah, later we'd likely add a way to go to new world conqueror

[tepid aspen]

Was worried at first, but now I'm looking forward to this. Sounds like it'll be interesting.

I'm guessing the guild will be another source of sprite packs and mats too

[green pollen]

Very happy to hear Odie ^^

[brisk meadow]

I just saw the hype ping, I think I have a good question

Imagine 10 areas filled with the same 5 people, all in different tiers (I'm guessing it's T5-T10)

What would happen if the T6 player got to T7, would they lose their crowns? Would they get the other's player crown? Would they have a limited time to beat the other guy?

[blissful cairn]

As far as I can tell, they would keep the T6 crown but it would be the Merc that is defending the area now? Could be wrong.

A side question that could relate to that I find interesting, can the same player own multiple Tiers in the same Settlement?

[alpine condor]

The Othersoul would take their place in defending for that league, yes

[alpine condor]

yes, but other leagues would use othersouls

[blissful cairn]

Thanks for the answers! I'm excited and am looking forward to the Beta.

[tepid aspen]

I knew collecting those shoes would be useful someday. I got plenty of other soles 😁

[blissful cairn]

Well, sounds like there is going to be a Blacksmith boom coming soon

And people buying T9 celestial weapons

[stable elbow]

coming soon? You mean you arent already started?

[stiff flame]

Don't forget ascending the lower tiers too 😆

[lavish knoll]

Probably wait to see how it actually works before you get too carried away

[stable elbow]

lol man I had these level 10 years ago 😄

[lavish knoll]

More just general advice for everyone, haha

[stable elbow]

There was a time I helped figure out some stats on stuff before we knew about boss bonuses and the like so we had to manually level stuff and had a really old index somewhere

[lavish knoll]

We don't even know how the tiers are separated

[sturdy raven]

So is anything going to get done about counter attack 2 with this update? At the bare minimum it should have a high failure rate in pvp. I think the last pvp tourney clearly showed nobody actually likes it but it's too strong to ignore

[stiff flame]

The only issue I see with ca2 is G.ursa having it as a passive. Otherwise you're made aware someone uses counterattack and can avoid offing yourself. There's not counterattack spam like heretics had for a while

[sturdy raven]

Other than it being an incredibly boring and obnoxious stall strategy, I suppose

Also will we be able to have a dedicated pvp setup yet? I want to set offense/defense for wars and territory and then not have to worry about swapping classes around anymore

[rough jewel]

It is a boring and obnoxious strategy to fight against, but (most) classes have a way to fight against it.
If your enemy is just spamming counterattack:

1. As a summoner, your summons will eventually wear them down, as counterattack will only counter the one of the five attacks
2. As a beo, your pet's attacks cannot be counterattacked
3. As a gilga, chances are you can tank a reflected hit, if you properly prepare for it.
4. As a realmshifter, you can trigger the counterattack with a low damage attack, trigger avidity, and then the enemy can no longer counterattack

[lavish knoll]

I don't believe 4 works that way, but I can't say for sure

[rough jewel]

Bonus points for debuffs if the enemy doesn't have all of them immuned. You can wear them down with DoTs if they lack health regen, or use turn skips to prevent them from counterattacking

[rough jewel]

It does, I've had it happen several times

[stiff flame]

Ca is more of a live pvp issue. The AI may spam it to an extent but not continuously

[rough jewel]

(I use counterattack as a last resort in BoF)

[sturdy raven]

I know the counters, but you're never going to convince me it wasn't a stupid addition to the game

[lavish knoll]

I still think that Counterattack should always fail on consecutive uses

Other games use that mechanic to ensure someone can't spam it

That way you'd have to do Counterattack -> Something else -> Counterattack -> Something else, etc.

[rough jewel]

In that case it'd just be a niche spell to use when the enemy is using multi-turn spells

which are already bad enough of a downside by themselves that people rarely use them in (live) pvp

[blissful cairn]

From the Hype, I'm assuming AL is only active in top crown

[rough jewel]

But that's probably a healthier fate for it than, yknow, being spammed 😅

[lavish knoll]

The other (much larger) change I suggested was making both CA and all multi-turn spells into "[Player] is waiting..."

That way you never know if someone is charging a multi-turn or counterattacking

That one is definitely a more 'out there' suggestion though and may not be good in practice

[lean cosmos]

I've already got my T5-9 stuff godforged 😉

[lean cosmos]

I thought about doing this, but it seems ascensions won't count except for the Emperor spot.

[lean cosmos]

Well ... some of it

[modest tulip]

I'm really curious how the brackets are. I was thinking maybe 1-3, 4-5, 6-7, 8-9, and T10 on its own, where I think AL will take effect.

Or T10-11 if you wanna put it that way

Or is conq locked to T5?

[noble apex]

I think CA is stupid useful when used on offense against bots, most people just use an attack spell and get blasted for it. Maybe the damage should be mitigated by defense in some way?

[odd barn]

I find my only use for CA is when i am facing ppl massively above me in AL's or their entire build is built to one shot

[lean cosmos]

I was thinking this as well. The power potential 7 onward is too much to split it between three tiers.

[odd barn]

i am guessing 5,7,8,9, AL Crown?

[modest tulip]

Something I never thought to ask, is Conq available to T1+?

[fossil ridge]

My bet is on something similar to this

[blissful cairn]

I wonder how they will be on the map, if there will be a specific filter to just see them, I'm hoping it doesn't clutter the world too much...
I think it would be cool if they were visable and interactable to see who controls them at VD, but you can only battle at a certain range like memory hunts or current Control/Exploration

[fossil ridge]

But yeah, we don’t know if it will start in T1, T3, T5 or where

[blissful cairn]

Based on when control is currently available, I'm thinking T6, T7, T8, T9, and emperor/empress

[fossil ridge]

Yeah, could be

Im just wondering if with this they will open territory control to even earlier tiers

[blissful cairn]

Could be interesting to make some old tier 1 gear worth God forging...

Can't see a lot of build diversity though

[fossil ridge]

Yeah

[blissful cairn]

As it is most people will probably want to take the Dagda gear up for T6

[modest tulip]

Is territory control already locked to T5?

[blissful cairn]

I'll be honest, I forget exactly when it starts.. lvl 100?

That would be 5*

[gentle bison]

Correct, Territory Control is currently unlocked at Lv. 100 / T5

[gloomy bough]

Despite me having 41,600 territories and 8th place on the Competitive leaderboard, would trade all that stature and give up all my reputation for a cool sprite and a Top 10 Duke title. I didn't realize just how cheaply I could be bought off until this moment.

[modest tulip]

Dang, it has been so long since I was T5... I don't remember it being locked. Was it back in like early 2020?

[rough jewel]

It was not always locked at level 100.

[gloomy bough]

What would my life be without "Outer Xiqiva Caverns"??

[fossil ridge]

East Obopgate 🗣️

[gentle bison]

It was changed in Early 2022 to have the Lv. 100 requirement,
however, for a while older characters were "grandfathered" in, and allowed to continue doing Territory Control.
In September 2023, the Lv. 100 requirement was put in place for all accounts.

[modest tulip]

Awww man we're getting a tad off topic but... is there a way to restore my territories original name? It's been "Camelot, A silly place" for so long

territory's? territories's? how tf does I make the words work

[lavish knoll]

It says the original name on the territory list

[modest tulip]

I forgot that menu existed

[tawny sparrow]

[stiff flame]

Excuse me sir

😆 jk, you'll probably pass me back up tonight. I didn't take a different route home so I barely passed you

[gloomy bough]

Thou Knave!! Borrowing MY lands again?

[stiff flame]

Would have passed up lood if I went a different way home lol

[gloomy bough]

Another Amarillo run?

[stiff flame]

I was slacking! I was sitting at #14 for a while lol. I was up in CO for a week

Hit a few of yours in the fortworth area, but most were out of reach. Just making up for the few you've snagged lol

[gloomy bough]

Well, I'm flying out of Texas tomorrow morning, so I'll be out of your hair for a while.

[stiff flame]

Ahh I didn't realize you were still here lol. Is praxis quick to hit you back?

Between s2ivi reclaiming what I took and your travels you'll pass me up in a day or two lol

[gloomy bough]

Prax lets me keep it for a couple of days, but he will nibble it all back over the next couple of weeks.

[candid bobcat]

Lol, poor praxis, he just wants to be left alone.

[stiff flame]

Sorry mighty, you got hit pretty hard too 😅

[gloomy bough]

See? This is why I like the leaderboard so much. it encouraged social interaction. I sat down with Praxis Mirrors last month and we ate ice cream and talked orna. Nice guy!

[stiff flame]

Ah that's awesome!

[gloomy bough]

Did the same with Beckwith100 last night. We talked for 90 minutes.

[candid bobcat]

I was just amazed that stretch between Austin and Fort Worth remained untouched for so long!

[lavish knoll]

I'm small scale, but I love this aspect of territory too. Although I haven't met anyone in person because of territory specifically, we have our local New England discord where people ping each other and have good conversations when they're passing through each others' land

[modest tulip]

Legacy bs aside, I am excited to get out and see a fresh empty world

[gloomy bough]

Just like looking in the mirror... LOL!

[modest tulip]

I uhhhh don't get it

I totally understand the social aspect of territory control. A kingdom mate is a kingdom mate because of that very thing. Way back before chat, we sent taunts and messages back and forth via pet names. Despite him being on a "private" account, pet names were still visible.

He's been a kingdom mate for at least 4 years now.

[gloomy bough]

Are you the earth guy with the hidden name who owns all the interstates in DFW?
Beowulf Auriga with 8-Bit Knights?

[frail stirrup]

The beta has so much unclaimed territory if you want to see that now.

[gloomy bough]

Minneapolis speaks!

[modest tulip]

But that's the separate beta ya?

[candid bobcat]

Yeah, that was the sad thing about making it onto the leaderboards. I could not remain mostly hidden anymore.

[frail stirrup]

I don't know if I can speak for Minneapolis. I haven't even been here a year, yet. I still say y'all.

[green pollen]

I remember a time when I was in the top 90 in my regional leaderboard... but then I fell off the game for a good while, came back, and no matter how hard I try or what I do I'm relegated to rank 119-121 D=

[lavish knoll]

For regional leaderboard, it's almost entirely based on:

• Boss kills
• Quests
• Ascension

[modest tulip]

I'm working my way back up the regional now, I used to me between 50-80

[lavish knoll]

If you grind a lot of boss dungeons you'll climb it quickly

[modest tulip]

Got myself back up to 160

[green pollen]

Even as I started playing the game more often and in the same way I did before, and have been for most of this year, my rank is still unmoving

I guess I fell waaayyy back and everyone else surpassed me in a big way

[green pollen]

And this is usually what I did

[lavish knoll]

If there are more people than before playing the game that way, you'll stay below. You have to play harder and/or more strategic for leaderboard if you want to go up it

What's your main class's AL?

[green pollen]

Just got it to 19

[lavish knoll]

Ah. That would definitely be part of it

[modest tulip]

If you are in NE USA it's definitely a struggle man

[lavish knoll]

Northeast USA is the second toughest region

[modest tulip]

I knooooo

I love your map btw

[green pollen]

Western Canada

[lavish knoll]

Yeah, pretty tough. Not the toughest, but respectable

(If you are a different chunk of Western Canada, then you have no excuse for not being top 100, so I assume you're here)

[green pollen]

Hmm, what's the next chunk above that one?

[lavish knoll]

I actually don't have the stats for that one

[green pollen]

Ah, I'm just trying to pare where it covers- ahh

[lavish knoll]

I can zoom in

[lavish knoll]

All of my advice for leaderboard climbing comes from how I got to rank 41 (and climbing) in the region 😆

[modest tulip]

Oh I'm on my way up too

I was down in the 300s a few weeks back

Up to 164, but I've not really been playing the past week or so

[lavish knoll]

Splitting ascension helps as well, although... you may take it to the extreme

I'm 50 RS / 32 Deity

[modest tulip]

I like to play a bit of everything

Except hera

My goal is these 4 to 20

But I've had the worst luck with realm ore and cursed ort it's killing me

[green pollen]

Looking closely at the map here I am indeed in this region, but only just

[lavish knoll]

Well, if you ever want to move a little north you could have a very very easy leaderboard I'm sure

[green pollen]

Hah, tempting in more than one way

[lavish knoll]

The number on the map is the global leaderboard rank required to be rank #100 regional.

The region with Calgary and Edmonton to the east only requires global rank 13,802

So that region above you is definitely even more empty than that

[green pollen]

... I fell back in global rank haaarrrd ;3;

In the mid 4000's

[lavish knoll]

Ah, that's not too bad. You only need (roughly) 3,795 to get on your regional

(Although that number is from May, it probably hasn't changed much)

[green pollen]

Hoo boy, have I got work to do...

Even as I grind and grind and grind I still end up back to regional #120 or so

Just how hard is everyone above me working?

[stable elbow]

I love that I am 14 regional but comp and global I am super low lol

sooo I guess I am not super low for Global but comp is 8,822 lol

1010 for global

[fossil ridge]

Im #6,394 global, #807 competitive 🗿

It depends a lot on the region

[rain dagger]

Eeww

[odd barn]

Central Canada, Midwest us is 4800 global rank for top 100 regional.

[odd barn]

I find if you can grab a good number of quests per week during a commute and cap 5 dungeons a day, that alone will get you climbing. Burn those refineries and get some ALs and every AL over 20 is atleast 50 ranks for me right now

[green pollen]

I do a good bit of quests when I can, though it might be good of me to at least do a boss dungeon a day at the very least

[odd barn]

Here's some examples of the recent month or so

[lavish knoll]

I'm generally killing 4k-8k bosses per week, it varies

Less than many others, but enough to climb

[sturdy raven]

30 horde boss a day will rank you up consistently. Part of the problem might be that there is a lot of content that doesn't help your rank much, focus on horde/party dungeons and I guarantee you'll see progress

[green pollen]

30 horse boss dungeons a day... Yeah naw I'm not treating this game like a job XD

[stable elbow]

I mean if you are good at it thats only 1-2 hours a day

[green pollen]

I'd actually need that many dungeons around me to do it

[stable elbow]

Or have friends with WV's with 8+ dungeons it will take you 3+ hours but total play time would still be that 1-2 hours in a day

[sturdy raven]

Yeah it's all about consistency. Take a little orna break 3-4 times a day, find an area with 6+ dungeons and profit

Assuming you have unfelled concords

[green pollen]

squints at that 'skill issue' react icon =3=

[green pollen]

Only one, unfortunately

I'm sure I'll get up in the rankings eventually with a bit more effort... I'm only recently taking the game on more actively after having not done that for a year or so

Helps that I got a bunch of new gear in last month's event that will actually make that easier to do

[stable elbow]

Sorry skill issue is a joke and not meant to offend. It's like saying go get friends then or touch grass. The point is you have options to do this just need to utilized them

and it gets much easier when you get 2nd concord

[green pollen]

Ah, yeah, I've heard the usage. Just in that exact react context I'm like "Oi I don't make these dungeons spawn" XD

[odd barn]

The dungeon clear themselves are worth more point then the bosses

[green pollen]

Boy my town loves spawning blacksmiths and bestiaries rather than dungeons

[odd barn]

Doing normal boss runs are still good on pts if you lack time

Its what 10 or 100 bosses vs 1 dungeon clear in rank points

[sturdy raven]

Find someone with a wv spot, in guild network, here or on ol, there's lots of people that do it.

If you want you can add my alt, gahalt, only has 5 dungeons (usually more) atm but it's open most of the week and you can store invites

Dungeons = norms, I don't count anything else lol

[green pollen]

I'll keep it in mind. I used to not really engage in kingdom activity all that much until maybe half a year ago and have since joined a very helpful one, so once I start picking up the pace in terms of game time I dedicate to Orna I'll reach out to the kingdom members and see what they have available on offer

[odd barn]

I usually do a couple dungeons in the morning/lunch break after grabbing them on my commute then I do 5 at home

[green pollen]

In that case, endless dungeons like I've doing are probably very detrimental to rank gain?

[odd barn]

As you get more ALs and if you build a build that doesn't take watching you can spam one skill and just auto kill horde boss dungeons

[modest tulip]

I don't think they have much of an effect, no

Otherwise, I would probably be just a bit higher

[odd barn]

Yep the no clear is worth no pts, just the kills, you probably need to clear 100-150 floors to equal the same amt of points per regular boss dungeon

So if you can clear 10 boss dungeons or 10 horde bosses in less time you clear 10 endless then you will be more efficient for lead board points not doing endless

[green pollen]

Jeez, good to know. That's probably where my rank went, honestly. I've been running endless a bunch for materials and orns so I can increase my AL, but I know boss and mob kills aren't worth a ton... hence running 100-150 floors in hopes that makes it worth while

[odd barn]

And one dungeon clear is worth the same as 1 quest

I grab all the auto complete quests from inns I can on my commute

[green pollen]

I very consistently do my quests at my town hall where I can, so that's been helpful too

[odd barn]

Atleast it feels that way

[green pollen]

I unfortunately don't really have a commute so that has hindered me as well

[modest tulip]

Non-stop T1 hard horde boss

ez rank XD

And youll get you that second concord

[odd barn]

Fair, well way gates and view distance is your best friend, you could horde party raid if the friend is competent to do it quickly

Then if you both do it you can share key gain and cost

[modest tulip]

https://discord.com/channels/448527960056791051/1265701438508761240

😄

[green pollen]

I've got a very high view distance build going so far, though I have to wonder how much 2nd a concord will help. I have a fey surtr sword, arisen fey gazing staff, a concord, a midnight eye, and the weapons are all decked out in symbols of war

[upper cove]

Can somebody explain to me what the difference is? I still can’t picture what the difference is between current legacy and new world other than rewards? Is it different gameplay or anything?

[odd barn]

Choosing legacy or new system removes the daily income reward system for control and exploration. The new system has settlements that will be 30% as frequent then the circles currently so 1 per 3 or so circles. The settlements have 5 tiers of gameplay for different lvls of players, more advanced players seem to be able to gear out shadows or mercenaries to fight for lower tiers. These fights give you guild currency for rewards we don't know, in ways we don't know. If you can't win the fights you can still play rock paper scissors for guild currency. With these changes a whole new leaderboard system will come out, and it sounds like guild based leaderboards may be apart of it.

If you pick legacy you can still play the old control system for fun, but with no rewards and no affect on new leaderboards. If you pick the new system you forfeit all reputation and cannot play the old system for fun.

[upper cove]

Damnnn they getting rid of exploration too!? That’s tough dudeeee

I’m going to be so sad…..

The control part not so much cause I didn’t control much

But what did you mean more settlements? And 1 per 3 circles?

[odd barn]

So the circles are every 250m but the settles are not going to be per circle

Instead they are going to be randomly placed in about 1 out of every 3 circles

On average, so if your city had 10,000 control circles, there will be about 3333 settlements among those 10,000 circles

So less zones to fight over then before, in the hopes for more competition?

[upper cove]

Ahh okay

With the new world, will there still be daily income? Or we only get rewards through guild shop?

Also, will there be leaderboards for exploration as well?

[brisk vector]

I am not sure if it is explained. But what happens to your teritories when you move from a tier. Like 7 to 8

[odd barn]

They keep saying the rewards are better with the new system, and it's not daily rewards

[upper cove]

Damn im very saddened about the exploration part lol and what’s this tier 5 battle mage headgear all about

[brisk vector]

Looking forward to see the shop

[odd barn]

Probably the best tier 5 helmet I bet

[upper cove]

I mean if they have exploration leaderboard, im with it

[odd barn]

Or a meta joke

[upper cove]

Since everyone is resetting

It be fresh

[alpine condor]

you're free to keep exploration by choosing the legacy option

[upper cove]

They should add fishing leaderboard

[alpine condor]

all guilds get a leaderboard, fishing included

[upper cove]

Yeah but, if they it has no leaderboard, I’m going to the new world

[upper cove]

Wait what!? All GUILDS? Even monuments?

[alpine condor]

mmhmm

[upper cove]

There’s no reset in fishing right?

Ayoooo!!!!

I’m hyped

[upper cove]

Wait does this apply to exploration as well? It will be less to explore?

[odd barn]

I believe so

[modest tulip]

Is there no way to make exploration available without having the legacy territory control?

[frail stirrup]

There won't be exploration or control mode in the New World.

[modest tulip]

Kinda bites if ya wanna choose new world to get rid of the legacy territory but you lose exploration as well.

I don't know that he ever answered it... but I also would like to know if at some point in the future, not necessarily soon, legacy will actually become legacy, and be phased out of the game for new accounts.

[odd barn]

I thought I read that new players won't see legacy

[modest tulip]

I missed that if it was said

I'm on mobile atm and having a hard time with the search function cuz am noob. But I don't see that from Odie anywhere, was from someone else?

[odd barn]

I could be wrong, it might have been assumption from someone else

[sturdy raven]

Excellent, now we can see who is botting the hell out of fishing

[modest tulip]

If legacy is indeed locked out for new accounts, but still effects LB position, I don't see how that isn't a clear advantage but ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[still furnace]

pretty sure its said that legacy isnt going to affect the new lb

[modest tulip]

I don't believe that was ever said, but "all PvP activities" was said.

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Kinda seems to me like Odie is saying it WILL effect the LB

[still furnace]

#1271132843094839408 message

oh well, i guess its different than competitive lb

[modest tulip]

If I understand right, Guild LB will be separate from the Competetive LB

[still furnace]

it probably will affect the old lb, but not the new lb

[still furnace]

i think so too, yeah

[odd barn]

Reputation based on what they said sounds like it does not affect LB, if anything players defeated still does in the small way or a similarly small way

How can it if you forfeit all your reputation picking the new system.

[modest tulip]

tbh idk

But if reputation doesn't effect the comp LB, what does?

[green pollen]

PvP in war matchups, arena fights, coliseums?

[modest tulip]

OK fair point XD

But I don't think reputation is not counted

[odd barn]

These convos would be better served after we hear what they have planned for the LB and we can give feedback lol

It goes in circles otherwise

[green pollen]

Agreed. Odie said as such before

[modest tulip]

Hey man I am lost in space, I ain't got much better to do right now but scoop fuel and talk about Orna

Can't play Orna cuz ya never use your phone while driving... or uhhh piloting in this case

[green pollen]

Right, but I think after a lot of back and forth the point has been made that all the answers for the new system don't exist yet and it's too early to say since the details have yet to be finalized, so the energy spent talking about the same topic might be better spent discussing other things

[modest tulip]

Uhhh... then go discuss other things? Not trying to be a total ass, but uhm if thats how you feel

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[green pollen]

... You say as Odie has told you the very same thing I said, earlier today

[modest tulip]

This is one of the biggest developments in Orna in a long time, imo and I want to know stuff about it and voice my opinion

If you don't want to read it, block me I suppose

I have had a couple friends/acquaintances start playing the game and eventually ask me "Hey what the hell is up with soandso player owning all this territory? I can't even touch them its so lame"

I have wanted to see that changed for a long long time, and I have also wanted to see a refreshed leaderboard for a long long time. I was hoping the leaderboard refresh was a part of this new content, unfortunately it is not, and now I want to know how the new content is going to effect said leaderboard.

Screw me for being curious and passionate about a game I have several thousand hours in

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[green pollen]

Don't need to take it so personally dude. All I'm suggesting is that you have asked your question of how the leaderboards will be affected. Players have answered you. I think mods have answered you. Odie has answered you. None of them have given you a concrete determination on the topic in question, and Odie has said himself that you'll just have to wait and see when more details have yet to be given. If Odie has not given you the concrete yes or no you want by now then the likely case is that the answer is not there yet

And so all I'm suggesting is that, instead of asking it several more times in hopes the answer will appear... just wait a little longer until it does

[modest tulip]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[blissful cairn]

Also, people keep saying the leaderboard is so stagnant, but I have seen someone gain thousands of land, enter top 100 and now be in the top 10... And it was mostly in the last year.... So feels a bit disingenuous to say it's not possible... You just need to actually be motivated and try...

[modest tulip]

Again, if you don't want to see me, just block me. I ain't got much else better to do right now.

[odd barn]

He wants an arena mode fair pvp leaderboard which Odie basically said he's getting.

[green pollen]

That's a reductive answer to what someone else is trying to say. I'm not suggesting you not discuss the topic. I'm simply saying that perhaps discussing other aspects of the new update might better serve you than asking the same questions you've had answered already

[odd barn]

He likes the idea of refreshed control board but it really is just who has the money/life style to travel are the winners

Within a year he will be outpaced if he doesn't travel thousands of km

[blissful cairn]

I'm just saying if someone is complaining about leaderboard while sitting around with under 300 reputation... They aren't going to get on it like that

[modest tulip]

I am stoked for that new LB, won't deny that

The BoF one anyway

[odd barn]

Ive read everything in this thread you've said and I doubt you will get what you hope for in this conq guild, but it sounds like it'll be better then it was.

[modest tulip]

I enjoy the fact that it will be open to the lower tiers without them having to content with us end gamers

That is gunna be great, so when I tell a guy to start playing he doesnt later ask me wtf he does about the guy owning his house

[blissful cairn]

Even the BoF leaderboard... If it's based on guild level, you need to farm arena tokens constantly and be in BoF constantly to be there... It's gonna take a lot of work for any guild leaderboard

[modest tulip]

You're alright. You get it pretty close. I am hoping to see a competive leaderboard that leans AWAY from that "hey I get to travel 8000 miles a week so I am orna number 1!"

[odd barn]

I'm surprised that's so common, it's like play sandbox pvp mmos then being confused when groups of ppl attack you

[modest tulip]

Cuz I don't think that is a .... competetive aspect of the game

[odd barn]

I find losing and seeing those billboards as a newb made me want to lvl up and catch up

[modest tulip]

Sure, it does for some people. Other people see it and go "uhh what the hell is this I have to fight?"

[odd barn]

This guys been playing my entire orna experience and had always owned tons of territory in my city

It's the only mechanic I swear he plays

It's been fun beating him up easier and easier as I went from lvl 175 to 243

[blissful cairn]

To be fair based on how the Othersouls system works, people who full invest in Godforged low tier gear will probably hold lower tier crowns, and T10 players have the access of materials to be able to actually do that... Not T5s

[modest tulip]

Uhhh I don't think the people that owned my area when I started play anymore? I can't even remember the names anymore

[odd barn]

He has 6800 reputation I have 1700, and he used to have more

[green pollen]

I have to wonder about this though last part though... It's a GPS game, and has been since its inception. The territory control aspect is GPS focused.
I can understand why people are annoyed they are at a disadvantage with the leaderboards because they might not be able to move around like other people can, but... is that not just an innate problem with the design of a GPS game as a whole?

[modest tulip]

But is it a competetive aspect of the game?

[odd barn]

There are 3-4 others who did play and quit, while 2 others have shown up when I was in toronto

[modest tulip]

"Hey I get to travel a lot more than you" is not very competetive

[odd barn]

They have 30-50al and I've been in hot pursuit and have caught up quickly since coming back

[modest tulip]

I could see if maybe exploration had its own LB, you could show off those 40k places you visited just the same way you do now

[green pollen]

In a way. But that just sounds like a flawed design decision from its very inception and probably should've been more closely considered from the beginning. It being a GPS game was always going to have that flaw. This was always going to be a problem

[blissful cairn]

For a GPS game that is worldwide... It kind of is though

[green pollen]

I really do understand the frustration people have shown for it. But at the same time I also find it perplexing. People stepped into a GPS game with a semi-competitive setup for territory control based on real world locations... and they're upset that people that can move around better than them get to play this aspect of the conent better?

Like, what?

If that was a problem from day 1 for someone then they were never going to be competitive with someone who can move around a bunch

[odd barn]

It's like he wants a cap

[blissful cairn]

It's why people actually play the game... It's what makes it unique on the market, and the territory control is what separated from the other GPS games, it's one part of the game that NF can't fumble, the execution needs to feel good

[modest tulip]

I see the one side, sure, its a GPS game and you get to walk around. But how much of that territory people claimed was actually fought for? What is "competetive" about driving thru the country back roads and claiming spots while you drive?

[odd barn]

I think it would be better served to make suggestions for features you'd like, like improvements to BoF or kingdom PvP

Those mechanics are suited for the playstyle your wanting

[modest tulip]

I don't have any suggestions for BoF its actually pretty great, just needs more people more consistently

[blissful cairn]

Oh yeah, seal probably has me blocked, he said he was going to block me... I forgot... It's not like people don't own the country... You still need to fight people

[modest tulip]

Kingdom PvP will never be.... good?

[odd barn]

You can't limit travel control. If ppl can live any where in a gps game and want to participate

[odd barn]

It's not though, people don't play it

[green pollen]

The competitive aspect is other people taking it from you and you going back and fighting for it. My town has been hotly contested in the past, and I have 1 person especially that I go toe to toe with a lot.
If you take some territory and nobody fights you for it, then it was yours to claim and keep and that's how that goes. The fact that nobody went out of their way to take it from you is not a flaw in the design, it's simply that you aren't always going to be contested for every territory you take

[odd barn]

They don't see a reason to participate after getting the specializations

[blissful cairn]

He's acting like you can just go out to the country and grab land with no effort

[odd barn]

He dislikes the AL pvp of Territories and the expense/time of participating

[modest tulip]

I am not talking about taking claimed territory, I am talking about driving around stacking your rep number by taking untouched territory. Where is the competition in that?

[odd barn]

He wants it to be a win/loss count ratio that resets or something of the sort

[modest tulip]

I know, thats why I am excited for LB

Hoping that will push more people into it cuz I think it is pretty great

Kinda stale cuz build diversity aint really there, but its ok

[blissful cairn]

So that everyone plays the same class? The BoF tournament showed how unbalanced the classes are...

[modest tulip]

And no, I disliked the fact that most players were locked out of territory content at all due to most of it being owned by elite end gamers

[odd barn]

His views are pretty straightforward imo, he wants long standing players to have 0 advantage

[blissful cairn]

Okay.. well every single person would just start playing Gilgamesh Ursa, or Beowulf Auriga then and the game would be stale as year old bread

Wait... It's Hydrus... I always forget, since I don't Beo

[green pollen]

Again, the competitive nature of that is someone is supposed to go out and fight you for it. The fact people don't is, again, not a flaw of the design of the system. If someone does not take the same route you did for territory, or does not succeed in taking it from you even if they did, then you simply remain king/queen of the land.
There's nothing else to it. So when people accumulate a lot of territory, the onus is on other people to take them down a notch. If there's nobody who can or will, then yes, I can see why you say that's not competitive. But that's not a flaw of the design. That's something on the players

[modest tulip]

It's not really that exactly, its that I want the competetive leaderboard to actually reflect PvP activity, not how far you can drive and claim territory. Or how many plane rides you get to take, or how many boat trips you get to take.

[green pollen]

This, however, is the one point I will agree with. Once a place is majority T10-T11 (like my town is) it's very difficult to actually take back control of the area unless you are on the same level. But that is the nature of competition. You are not always going to be the best person out there

[blissful cairn]

After all the best counter to both of those classes is a Summon stat focused GS is AL is disabled... But house rules means they suck in BoF

[odd barn]

I found counter attack works against most ppl who are 50% stat buffed above you or more lol

[odd barn]

So BoF or kingdom pvp

[modest tulip]

Basically, if it wasn't a fight, imo, it shouldn't count as "competetive". Exploration, sure. But rolling thru an unpopulated area, or flying over, or sailing thru, and claiming territory and calling that "competetive" is a joke

[odd barn]

Gps pvp obviously means ppl who travel more can participate more

[blissful cairn]

If it just reflects PvP activity, isn't that just a participation trophy??

[modest tulip]

Bro I have already said I am so stoked for BoF LB

[lean cosmos]

He's coming for me 👀

[modest tulip]

Clicking the claim button on an unclaimed area is not PvP XD

[odd barn]

Well all my highways within 3 hours from my city are claimed and fought for by the players not daily but weekly to monthly

I'm sure there is absolutely boonies level areas but it's hard to take territories where there is no signal

[modest tulip]

Right right, now look at how much territory that ACTUALLY covers? Your stretch of highway is what? A few hundred maybe a couple thousand circles in a row?

Now look at the players with 40k territory. Ask them yourself, did you actually fight for 40k territory? Or did you roll thru and click a button

[odd barn]

Yep the 3 highways I control are likely 1200 or more territories

[blissful cairn]

Once again it just sounds like he's not willing to put in the work to actually try to be competitive but he really wants to be on that leaderboard because that's all he cares about

Fighting bots in blades of finesse isn't PVP either but it's still counts towards the guild

[odd barn]

He's a funny guy that's for sure

[modest tulip]

Just saying tho, we really aren't discussing conq guild anymore, just my opinion on how the LB works

Kinda wierd

[odd barn]

I hope you get what you want in BoF but I entirely disagree with your views on gps pvp

I hate everything you want. 🙂

[modest tulip]

All this because I said I am still curious how legacy will effect the LB XD

[lean cosmos]

Probably only ... 10% of mine were unclaimed button clicks? And I hit some backroads.

[modest tulip]

And I still disagree with your idea of PvP lol

[blissful cairn]

BoF has bots, it's not a PvP guild

[green pollen]

I think I see what's going on... You're separating the definition of competitive between the 2 states of the system itself. You're basically saying this:

• Go out and take control of territory uncontested= Not competitive
• People fight for your territory= Competitive

[odd barn]

ALs = uncompetitive as well

He hasn't mentioned his view on end game hard to get gear

[lean cosmos]

Going out and taking uncontested territory is competitive in the sense that you're competing for the most land. Maybe not PvP in the head-on sense, but competitive.

[green pollen]

I'll remind you a 3rd time, Seal, that just because someone does not contest you, that does not make the system not competitive. You are going around and taking control of territory, something that everyone else can do. Everyone else can see your very real and tangible effect of controlling an area. And everyone else can do the same and fight you for your territory you have taken control of.
It does not become uncompetitive just because someone does not actively fight you for what you have taken. And for all you know people have tried. I look at my influence list and a lot of my territories have taken HP hits, people have tried to take control of what I have. Just because I am not seeing territories lost it does not mean competition is not being had

[alpine condor]

Hey folks - I’m not entirely convinced that this conversation is going to help the studio get solid intel about the conqueror’s guild itself. Perhaps we can find another place for it?

[modest tulip]

It is basically a disagreement about my opinion on the LB at this point, which I did say a bit ago

[blissful cairn]

Whenever we try to talk about the guild it somehow always goes back to someone yelling about leaderboards... It's like they don't trust in Odie

[still furnace]

its a disagreement about your views on the meaning of what "competitive" is

[green pollen]

At which I tried to remind that your questions about the LB have been answered likely to the best of the team's current ability.
Aaand then yeah it became that ^ by the end

[odd barn]

The same convo has occurred with multiple ppl that try to answer the repeated questions

[blissful cairn]

In Odie we trust, in beta we await

[upper cove]

Do you think the angler guild LB will be determined on the levels or how many fishes caught? And do you think it will be refreshed from launch or whatever we have right now?

[blissful cairn]

Probably guild level?

And I would assume It's not resetting because otherwise other people are losing a bunch of guild level

[modest tulip]

I cannot find it but I think it was said no reset for fishing LB

[upper cove]

Oh nice so i can continue fishing then

[modest tulip]

I think so, but I am usually wrong

Oh ya know, he never actually confirmed there was no reset for fishing LB

but he didn't say there was?

I can't imagine people would be any less miffed by losing that number than they would their territories

[upper cove]

Losing territories is far much worst lol

I’m just sad about my exploration

[modest tulip]

Thats subjective XD

[blissful cairn]

Yeah... Weird he can see people would be upset about fishing guild level being reset but not losing thousands of land... Anyway...

[upper cove]

Will the legacy option have leaderboards?

[blissful cairn]

I do wonder how the Othersouls aspects are going to work...

[stiff flame]

I can say a majority of my territories were fought for from players and are mostly along major roadways/highways or in cities. Of course I have some that were free for the taking, everyone does. But I'd say easily 35k+ are major areas

[modest tulip]

I don't think you have to be sad about that, it doesn't go away if you pick legacy mode

You can still play with the new guild, still do all the new stuff, and keep your exploration mode

[upper cove]

I think they mentioned once you go in the new world, you can’t go back to the old mode

[modest tulip]

You don't have to pick new world tho

[upper cove]

And I’m sad that exploration won’t have leaderboard

[modest tulip]

You can pick legacy and you still have all the content, new and old

[upper cove]

I mean I want to pick new world for leader board

[modest tulip]

You will have it still

[upper cove]

But in order to have new content, don’t i have to join the new world?

[modest tulip]

New LB, if I understand right, will be based on the guild itself

[blissful cairn]

Nope, legacy has the new content

[modest tulip]

No, you can pick legacy and still have old and new

[upper cove]

But exploration won’t count towards leaderboard board though

And control area

[modest tulip]

I don't know tbh

I don't know that exploration itself DOES count on any LB

[upper cove]

If no leaderboard, then im going in new world lol

[modest tulip]

You mean reputation?

[upper cove]

What is the new content anyways since legacy will have it?

[modest tulip]

New content is basically just the guild

[upper cove]

Idk i guess just areas explored

[modest tulip]

and settlements

which will still exist alongside the original territory control if you pick legacy

[upper cove]

Cause I really enjoyed that piece of content of exploring for passive income even it’s little. It made me feel adventurous lol

[modest tulip]

If you pick New World, all legacy content is bye bye no more exploration no more territory control

[upper cove]

Hmmm interesting

Will need a video of the difference

[modest tulip]

If you pick Legacy, basically nothing changes you just get a new guild

To put it simplest

[upper cove]

Can you jump into new world anytime?

And then jump back to legacy?

[modest tulip]

You don't have to

You just have to build the guild and interact with the settlements to earn guild rewards

The only way you lose out is if you pick New World really

[upper cove]

I’ll have to see the content and if legacy have a leaderboard for exploration and control territory

Damn so this is coming out next month?

[modest tulip]

Again, I don't know that the exploration stat is in any leaderboard, competetive or otherwise.

https://tenor.com/view/if-you-think-of-an-gif-20132469

[modest tulip]

I don't think we have an actual date yet for this. Beta is Soon?

[upper cove]

Ohh ok

[modest tulip]

I could be wrong, may have missed a date announcement, but I think its still just WiP

[harsh gust]

please give the conquest guild arena some random "special effects". Like "everyone starts with ward activated", "no crits allowed", "no pets allowed", "everyone must be the same class", "only two spells can be used", "the first time a character dies, it gets revived", "no ward allowed", "everyone starts with half of their stats" etc etc

I am sure people can come up with even better "battlefield effects"

It will spice up the pvp quite a bit

And will make players think about their moves if they want to conquer

[thick merlin]

Would be for PvP Arena/ Coliseum, but dont bring randomnes to Areafights. Think, this is very unmotivating, when you lose a Fight, because you cant use your Pet as Beo, and the Area is far away from Home.

I want the Area because, i am the strongest, not because of "my Summoner opponent has no Summons and cant do damage"

[candid bobcat]

I am curious what exactly is the point of the tier system? If it's to give lower tier players a chance to pvp, BUT T10 players can use othersouls with their godforged T5 items, then those lower tier players will be screwed. Because they are not godforging anything!

As for exploration, I am sad to see it go for newer players. This is a mobile game and I still love the xploration aspect. It's neet going to some place years later and seeing that I've been there and seeing what real life memories that pulls up. Running out of local places to explore is what got me to switch tabs and start trying my hand at PVP. Also the new PVP system sounds like a lot of fun, but I am saddened at the idea of losing my exploration circles to join it.

I also have a friend who just started playing last week who is also in love with exploration. It's fun driving around with her while I PVP and she explores. I understand that she can stay legacy to keep the exploration though. But I won't be able to have this experience with anyone newer after the conquererors guild debut?

Maybe exploration could be tied into the travellers guild instead of just being booted?

[candid bobcat]

I like this idea. Kinda like the random affects that are in exploration circles.

Also, will the NEW territory circles be drawn using the current system or will that also be updated? I'd really love a grid/hex layout of some sort. I did read the part about only 1/3 of the current circles.

[harsh gust]

I can see that

[harsh gust]

Yeah maybe even something that you can turn off or on

[noble apex]

Definitely an advantage there but the difference between a t5 with gf gear and even an unascended t10 is immense.

[signal arrow]

There's one thing I won't be able to do anymore with the new system. I had to go and find a territory so I could kill him one last time 🥲

I really hope there's still some mechanism for 'fighting up' in the new system, by the way. Managing to kill a tier 11 at tier 9 is a great feeling, and it's not supported with the current matchmade arena

[modest tulip]

In new world, I don't believe this will be a possibility, but we don't know how tiers will be bracketed yet so maybe

Maybe you will be able to challenge top crown regardless of tier

[lavish knoll]

This comment seems to assume Shabbash won't come back

The man enjoys territory control, I think the odds are pretty high that he won't pass up the chance to try a brand new fun system

[signal arrow]

The spectre of death creeps closer

It will be interesting to see what if any faces pop up that you don't normally see. There's a half dozen big boys in my area that I know (and can generally kill) by now. Be interesting to see if some of the T9s you generally one shot and never see again start showing up in spot #2

[upper cove]

Damn no more passive income

Sad life

[fossil ridge]

Not from the old territories at least

[lavish knoll]

Oh no

Dozens of materials, several thousand orns 😢

Gilia, I see you typing; have you ever taken a screenshot of your daily income?

[lean cosmos]

To some degree, I agree. Though, I also don't. What matters in lower tiers is getting ornates of the best stuff. If a T5 gets level 10 ornates in the better gear available, they could take out someone with godforged gear. The difference between godforged and level 10 will be ... at most 60-ish defense & resistance per piece? If a T5 gets motivated, gets the gear, and learns how to fight using moves that maximize penetration and use the right buffing skills, they could still take them out. It's just more difficult. Which I think is a bit genius on NF's part with the new guild because it keeps that story that most of us have: "That one player out here was my Big Bad and I spent a lot of time learning how to deal damage in the first place, then I was able to do half their health, then I learned to beat them!" ... but they don't have to wait till the 240s to do it. Every time they reach a new tier league in the settlement, they get a new challenge to face in much the same way.

It's also muuuuuuch harder to get status effect immunity in those tiers so... Sleep + burn them and the godforged gear is pointless.

Also, do you really have to take DFW back from me at 2 AM 🥺

[lean cosmos]

Oh! Yes I screenshot it yesterday just for you. It doesn't show me items gained, though.

[lavish knoll]

Huh, you have just over 10x my reputation but only 7x my orns

Thanks for sharing

[lean cosmos]

Get 58.7k land and 22k explored and you, too, can get the amount of orns one Minotaur kill can get you ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

[lean cosmos]

How many areas have you explored? To some degree it is RNG with land rewards. On the otherhand, unless it's a usual route, I rarely explore when it's not a monthly item.

[lean cosmos]

You're welcome

[lavish knoll]

I slack hard on exploration

Only 1.9k

[lean cosmos]

Ahhhh. It's wild how much land income RNG can vary, then.

[lavish knoll]

I guess it is based only on territory people actually go through, or something like that

[lean cosmos]

Well, I had heard that you no longer have to visit them on a regular basis like you did back when the ghost was a visual cue. I can't remember if that was absolutely confirmed or not, but it seems right. I don't travel for a living, so I wouldn't have that much each day.

[lavish knoll]

iirc it was that someone had to visit them, not you

[lean cosmos]

Hrm

News to me, but it could be right for all I know.

[lavish knoll]

For income, that is. For ghosting it obviously had to be you

[lean cosmos]

It's a possibility at least. Do you have mainly highways? A good portion of mine are backroads, maybe more than half. Ones less traveled, at that.

[lavish knoll]

I own no high ways at all, all normal main roads and back roads

I follow the right strategies for keeping my land, I just don't travel nearly as much as you folks on the top end of the leaderboard

[lean cosmos]

Ahh, so you stay out of the big competition zones xD

I myself don't travel quite as much as I used to. When I knew my frequent travel days were numbered, I hit the backroads knowing those wouldn't be messed with. Now I just police the interstate on my old path (x

[lavish knoll]

Unfortunately, my main competition for territory is 53 High Street. Who also goes very out of his way to travel every back road possible

I don't think he has an easy time taking from me anymore, but for a while he definitely did.

[lean cosmos]

I have definitely heard this to be true 😂

[modest tulip]

That dude literally must live with orna in his face.

[lean cosmos]

I myself get the occasional "WTF ARE YOU DOING TWO STATES AWAY, I WANTED A BREAK FROM YOU"

[lavish knoll]

I'm sure he is singlehandely responsible for territory *existing * on most back roads in New England.

[modest tulip]

We did the math, and we were very generous with the time, but in order for him to have taken that much land... the time is absurd

[lean cosmos]

Well, maybe, but not must. If you watch, he doesn't lose lots of land often, but he goes up very slowly. So slowly, he takes a lot of unlikely to be lost land over a very long period of time.

[modest tulip]

Just based on how long it takes to just claim an unclaimed territory, still an absolutely absurd amount of time

[lavish knoll]

I once heard a joke that if an astronaut opened Orna on the moon, they'd find 53 High St probably beat them there first :p

He really travels every single back road possible to grab territory

[lean cosmos]

Let's not forget about that ol' meme someone made about Mobile Wonder

[lean cosmos]

Certainly

[lavish knoll]

I don't think he's taken much territory in a few months

He's been 248k for a while

[modest tulip]

Hasn't been thru my neck of the woods in a while, that I've noticed anyway

[lavish knoll]

I think he may dislike facing my Dorado defense build, since he tends not to take much (if any) when I'm on Dorado

[lean cosmos]

Because high dex Dorado is agitating 😅

[lavish knoll]

(for the record, I live in New Hampshire, and I know for a fact I own a lot of territory close to his OT, so he definitely could go after it without going out of his way)

Still though, I'm half tempted to DM him to mention that Conqueror's is coming soon, and he should get those last 2k territories

[modest tulip]

I actually don't know what fighting me for territory is like

[lean cosmos]

It's like a beefed up version of yourself, except it's predictable so you can find weaknesses easier than war.

So if you favor dex picture being much harder to hit than normal.

Wait.

I'm sorry if you know this, I forgot you just might be talking about yourself personally xD

I didn't mean to imply you don't know how it works.

[modest tulip]

Yeah like, I don't know what people deal with fighting me

[lean cosmos]

You just never know. Some people will tell you if you ask.

[modest tulip]

But I change classes to often to really put any thought into a defensive territory build

Only person that ever takes territory from me nowadays

And he's a kingdom mate XD

I'm so curious about how othersouls is gunna work. Can't wait for more info on that

[gloomy bough]

I missed seeing that one...

[lean cosmos]

Oh boy. Let me see if I can find it.

[odd barn]

I get 30ish daily

[lean cosmos]

Took a while

I sent that in a chat after someone who didn't know who he was and assumed he only had one defensive build. I used it to respond to further aid this person's response to that person.

[upper cove]

Satisfying to see your daily income report lol’

[frail stirrup]

If the devs are willing to erase all the effort their players have put into claiming territories & exploring areas, then what's next? Erase the Ascension Levels we've farmed all this time?

[upper cove]

That’s why they implemented legacy. However, no more passive income T_T

I liked the passive income. it’s the reason I travel around cause it feels like a in game job lol. Although the income isn’t anything much, it’s satisfying seeing your income report of your hard work lol

[keen wind]

After reading the implementation, it sounds like the legacy system will die a slow death. With no ties to a leaderboard or the new reward system, are players really going to split their time between the legacy and new system?

[cobalt siren]

That's kinda the point, the current PvP system is very outdated and gives little to no rewards as is, like seen above having over 50k reputation nets you the same as a single overworld boss kill...
So with the implementation of legacy system players who have put in time and effort over the past few years don't feel like their time was for nothing as we transition to a more modern system

[modest tulip]

It sounds like Legacy territory fights are still going to count towards the competitive LB

Also, Legacy can still play with the new guild

The only way it will really die off is if they prevent future players from accessing legacy

If that happens, yes legacy will die.

[keen wind]

So there will likely be proofs like the other guilds, and taking territories will provide proofs as well. I guess I’m a little concerned about splitting play time between the two systems

[modest tulip]

Really tho, for the folks who really enjoying going out and claiming territory, playing legacy will increase your PvP interaction by like... a lot.

Instead of a single territory fight, you now have a settlement with 5 Tiers for every 3 territories you find

I do see your point about splitting a players time into 2 systems that essentially do the same thing. Definitely seems a waste to me, and I've said as much already. But hopefully that will be what drives players to just give up on legacy completely. That's my hope.

[cobalt siren]

New content will give rewards (that are better than current) and legacy will give no rewards (well except for the "arena" type drops at the end of the fight)

[keen wind]

That’s the flaw I’m seeing

[modest tulip]

I'm honestly hoping, with Odie confirming a new LB for BoF, that a lot of the PvP just moves to there

[keen wind]

If I want to stay competitive and legacy system isn’t going to provide rewards towards that then why split my time between the new and old system? That’s kind of where my thoughts are on this, at least until we see what the rewards will be

[stiff flame]

Whoever asked about lb confirmation and deleted their message, there you go lol

[plain shale]

What's the advatage of going new system compared to legacy?

[fossil ridge]

Only advantage is that you won’t see the old system

Like, there isn’t anything else

[fossil ridge]

And to most people that isn’t really an advantage anyway

But for the people who don’t really like it or care about it, that would be the only advantage I see for them

[plain shale]

A three tier system seems like a lot of work, but I don't want to wipe 6yrs of play off my record

[lavish knoll]

Just choose Legacy then

You don't have to keep claiming territory, although you'll still see it and be able to claim it

Basically the only people that see no point to "New World" are the people that participate in the current system and enjoy it for what it is. That's not who the new world button is for. The new world button is for the players who could not care less about current territory and want nothing to do with it once something better is in the game

I imagine the vast majority of people that play territory currently will be in Legacy Conquror mode and keep participating in both

[plain shale]

Ok thanks

[upper cove]

From my understanding, once you switch to the new world, there’s not turning back. You can’t go back to legacy, so there won’t be 2 systems at that point.

[lean cosmos]

I think the uncertainty comes in because it's been stated that Legacy players will have 0 advantage in any way, including leaderboards. If they don't, it would make sense that only your pvp kill count counts for the leaderboard, and not your territory-from-the-old-system count.

[modest tulip]

🤐 I swear

[modest tulip]

I think you are right, but I remember seeing someone ask Odie if there was going to be a possibility of changing back to Legacy in the future

Iirc, Odie basically said... maybe yes

Ah found the message, actually seems this person is asking about the opposite direction, being able to choose New World at a later date after initially choosing Legacy

[alpine condor]

Going back to legacy would not reinstate territory ownership. As long as the player is okay with that, it could be possible

[rocky dome]

Sooooo if we don’t control territories anymore, assuming new world is chosen here, can you still get the duke 5% or origin town 10% bonus to stats?

Or are these also disappearing?

[cobalt siren]

The 10% OT bonus has nothing to do with territory, that's just for being in your OT I believe

[rain dagger]

Areas will still exist and i hope we will still be able to change their names :v

[cobalt siren]

The 5% Duke bonus I'm going to assume is gonna transition to the new world stuff

[ashen iris]

Well your OT is a dukedom so it's a little grey

[cobalt siren]

Even if someone takes the territory on your OT you still get the 10%, but you do lose the 5% Duke bonus

But I can understand it being a bit of a grey area yeah

[modest tulip]

Do you get both? I thought you only got 1 or the other.

[cobalt siren]

Oh you're correct actually you do only get 1 of them my bad

[gloomy bough]

What made me laugh is that within the last week, I woke up around 2:30am because my phone kept lighting up. When I looked at the notifications, I remembered that I left a Heretic build active instead of switching back to Gilgamesh... so I switched my class and went back to sleep. Apparently, I am literally that guy.

[candid bobcat]

I agree with what you say, but at Tier5?!?!?!? Like, you'll level yourself into Tier 6 by the time you get ANY Tier 5 gear upgraded to level 10 right? And then what are the odds of a T5 character having any non leveled gear that's better than a higher tier since the higher tier characters will have all the luck boosting gear to help them farm? It's not impossible, but not probable. I feel like their goal for T9's to fight would prob work. And MAYBE, but not likely, for the T8's and 7's. But below that I just see the lower crowns also being owned by the top crown.

[candid bobcat]

What else am I supposed to do on my way home from work at 2am. It does help clear my mind after a shitty ER shift.

[lean cosmos]

I also consider it a low probability that any given T5 will give the diligence required to get the stats required to consistently take down a T10's beefy Othersouls ... But then again, I think it's also a relatively low probability that any given T10 will be taking the time to godforge their scrappy T5 gear. I think the probability would be even lower still that a T5 would not be able to find many territories that a beefed up T10 hadn't taken their slot for.
Most gear <T6 save for the Yeti Coat has an extremely high drop rate anyhow, so I don't see the luck booster as being tremendously useful. Most T10s would probably be hunting for them in raids, which can't be boosted anyway.
The advantage may be in the T10's favor (depending on how Othersouls works, we still don't know everything) but there's a big difference between the way the system works now and the way it will work facing a skilled T10 clothed as a T5: It won't be impossible. A T5 that really sits down and strategizes will be able to find ways to beat a T10's T5 Othersouls. The T10 will technically not have access to anything (assuming they do not allow >T5 adornments on T5 gear) that the T5 can't get themselves. Considering both that the T10 technically (though certainly not practically) has no real advantage, and that the T5 catching up to the T10's Othersouls enough to do damage takes significantly less time and effort than the T10's min-maxing.
Whether they have time to get the ornates or not, it will certainly inspire actual early-game strategy and a learning of the game's mechanics that are not present in the current system.

[lean cosmos]

Hey, I'm not actually upset (x I just find it amusing that you and Praxis would always hit me sooooooo laaaaaate

[cobalt siren]

My Othersouls gonna be decked out 💪

[signal arrow]

It'll be interesting to see how many of the super tricked out kingdom alts get a chance to shine vs the main othersouls.

[lean cosmos]

I'm actually really looking forward to that, too. I considered it. I want to struggle against some insanely buff alts xD

[signal arrow]

Nothing more aggravating in a small kingdom than 'oh, it's that one guy and his five godforged T6's again'

[lean cosmos]

I take that personally. Though it's only one, my T6 alt in my kingdom is super beefy. Will be even more when his Surtr gear is finished. I gave him a nooby sprite so he takes people by surprise.

[signal arrow]

Nothing wrong with that, obviously. But under the current kingdom system it takes a bit of the joy of competition away from the actual T6 players seeing the same guild and knowing they won't win

I'm still undecided if I'm happy all the territory I took on my transcontinental train trip across canada a couple of months ago is never going to be disputed. Permanant memorial until the servers (or legacy mode) dies I guess

[lean cosmos]

Well, yeah, if the kingdom is just alts, definitely.

[lean cosmos]

My main hope is that the ones pre- Conq contribute to the competitive leaderboard. Or that the current competitive leaderboard is immortalized. That way the time we spent on trips will, though likely uncontested, be valuable.

[harsh gust]

My main concern is that I will not have enough time to play it

[ashen iris]

I'll have you know it's 6 of them, and they're only Demonforged

[tight cedar]

Do we know what the tiers the settlement has?

Is it like tier ranges ?

[jaunty remnant]

That hasn't been shared afaik/it's still early on so probably not set in stone anyway

[brisk vector]

Lets say you are t6 and you own 50 places. When you turn t7. You lose all thoses places or an othersoul with your setup take your t6 space?

[honest tusk]

(answered in a pinned FAQ)

[brisk vector]

Thanks!

[brisk vector]

Pretty good glad that is the case.

[languid cape]

Curious how the UI will be with legacy. I already find it tedious to swap between control and exploration because the toggle is at the very top of the screen and I have a large phone. I'd prefer if everything was reasonably reachable with the thumb I'm holding the phone with.

Although I assume the current territory control will remain the same, I am curious how you will swap between old and new

[lean cosmos]

I do seem to remember hearing that "all tiers" can participate, if I remember correctly. Like others have said. If that is true, it would make sense that some of the crowns would have multiple tier participants

[hidden lantern]

Oh man, I didn't know that when I mercilessly took territories to t2-t3 people some week ago 🥺

I should have let them and taken all other areas around for ... legacy ! 🥁

I see many are worried about fight fairness and unpleasant current meta, which I agree, but this is not the right place.
I'm eager to talk about this or create a dedicated thread, since Conquering Guild is coming, soon followed by a balance patch

[harsh gust]

Any more news on the guild?

[modest tulip]

"All tiers" may have meant the tiers that are currently allowed to participate in territory control

Which is T5+, I just learned that myself

[crimson whale]

Peak news

[opaque wren]

I'm excited

I hope there's a skin for the guild with Konqs head or a Konq statue involved

[harsh gust]

Let me in the alpha testtt

[odd barn]

[opaque wren]

I have a few hopes:

• Ability to name our Othersouls.
• Opportunity to Rent or Borrow Othersouls ala Dragon Dogma Rift Stone.
• Ability to use our purchased sprites to customize our Othersouls.

• Carl as a rentable Othersoul.
Maybe a dating Sim or relationship system with hearts 💕 to power up NPC Othersouls

Do enough Carl quests and he powers up into a knight of valour like he dreamed

[lean cosmos]

I can confirm the rename

And the sprite

So far anyway.

Who knows what changes

[rough jewel]

Two out of four ain bad

[harsh gust]

My only hope is that it works

[rough jewel]

Anyhow Sora, just to make it clear, we'd appreciate it if you kept the patreon stuff in, well, Patreon

Nobody is NDA'd or anything, but yknow. People pay for the privilege, it's a little devaluing to give it to everyone else just like that

[opaque wren]

Anywho, that's got me extra HYPED

[lean cosmos]

OH

[odd barn]

i'd give you hearts dro

[lean cosmos]

I can delete it if you like. Hadn't considered it.

[rough jewel]

Nah, I have the power to delete it if I wanted to anyhow

[opaque wren]

❤️💚🧡💙🤎🩶🩷💜🤍💛💗

[rough jewel]

I'm not here to censor, and you're not in trouble either

Just letting you know is all

[fiery crystal]

I don't know about anyone else but I hope that a t5 other soul with exactly the same gear would actually be slightly weaker than a t5 player

A real low tier player should have some slight advantage

[odd barn]

maybe othersouls have a negative stats %

-25%

although AI is bad so its not impossible to beat the likely slight stat difference

[blissful cairn]

I mean if not, turtle is on the menu

I wonder though... Is there a way to get lower tier amities to equip on Othersouls? Or do Othersouls just not get amities

[opaque wren]

https://tenor.com/view/leak-viralhog-water-leaking-poke-gif-17947681

[candid bobcat]

I'm kinda amused that the biggest thing everyone is wondering about is combat in the lowest tier.

Although I wonder if we can get exploration moved to the traveller's guild?

[harsh gust]

We know that at least T5 has access to the guild

Well the patreons know much more

[opaque wren]

Daily income from ot removed ?

[blissful cairn]

I would assume the town hall daily income, and the castles daily income based on your gold interest are both staying

[opaque wren]

It looks like there'll be alot LESS settlements than area circles

[harsh gust]

Uf

I would love to try it out myself too

[rough jewel]

as per the pinned FAQ, it's about a 3:10 ratio

[harsh gust]

Do they give more materials tho?

[opaque wren]

Yeah a third of settlements, might be good. Are they being generated like old areas ?

As in first player in area generates settlements

[fiery crystal]

I really would love for them to be just fully generated so you don't get the bullshit of how they generate on the highway

Although if they are much larger it could be less of a problem, and maybe pre-generating would be too hard not sure

[alpine condor]

they are pre-generated

[modest tulip]

For players who do choose New World, how are things like OT going to interact? Will it just shift to Settlements?

[alpine condor]

areas will remain as they are

they are just no longer duke'd

[modest tulip]

OK so the circles are still visible, the territory control part just goes away. Will we get new layer options for settlements and regular areas?

[modest tulip]

It can be kinda annoying how spaced out they are in some areas, I assume its from people first exploring the area while driving thru. But from an "immersion" PoV it actually kinda makes sense. The populated places are generally densely packed with Orna areas, while in between the populated places the Orna areas grow a little more sparse. Just like the actual highway.

[stable elbow]

So I believe the existing territory circles are the duke'd circle and they go away with Conquest, Odie did say the territory names stay though

[fiery crystal]

I do have one question about the people fully remaining in the old system, the rewards are pretty paltry, but what happens in two years if they stay fully invested in the old system to retain the rewards? Seems like it would be fairly trivial for a powerful player to take over almost unlimited territory if most people arent participating

Are we relying on the people staying in the middle tier to put a hold on those players still retaining rewards from the fully old system

[alpine condor]

the rewards in the old system depend on activity within the areas, so holding an unlimited amount of areas won't amount to too much unless there is competition

[brisk vector]

I am looking forward to see that fabled currency exchange or if a good success in the Conqueror's guild can result in getting the finesse specialization
Otherwise, just looking forward to see what that guild's store will offer, Since it is Orna specific, I wonder if that would be our source of the Questing Beast Follower from the aetheric guild

[hidden lantern]

Could be renamed Conquering Beast

[stable elbow]

Well now that it's shown in the hype I will just post it here:

[jaunty remnant]

Finally a use for my complete follower collection of low-tier followers 😈

[modest tulip]

I assume gear and abilities will be tier restricted?

[jaunty remnant]

Have to assume that, yeah. I can't imagine it's kosher to slap a GF FSC on your L50 Joan 😅

[eternal comet]

Read the image in hype

[modest tulip]

Agh I somehow looked right over that and read the top and bottom one lmao

[brisk vector]

So every 2 tiers

For the othersouls

T3 t5 t7 t9

Unless lvl 50 is still only t2 gear

[eternal comet]

It’s t3

T2 is 25-49

[brisk vector]

Yeah i figured as much!

[inner harness]

Skills, followers, and equipment from their own tier, but no mention of adornments.

Immortal jewels at T3 here we goooooo

[gentle bison]

Oh boy, I hope y'all make it interesting for me.

[fiery crystal]

Awesome updates and awesome communication on everything, doing a great job as always!! Thanks guys, been looking forward to this one for a while

[harsh gust]

I have a suggestion for your Mr. EXP-less

Let's make an alliance

[gentle bison]

Nah. Imma strangle every Othersoul and Player I can get my hardcore lil smurf hands on.

No territory will be safe from my wrath

[harsh gust]

😦

[opaque wren]

So renamed areas ...? Are they still going to be a thing ?

[brisk vector]

Safe to say. You probably have the best gear for othersouls

[odd barn]

What are the chances my main character can have a different conqueror follower then my regular loadouts for dungeons\etc...?

a man can hope right?

[modest tulip]

Might be, since gear and skills are tier locked, I'd imagine followers will be too.

So you'll probably have a different follower selection for each tier I'd think

[harsh gust]

And with this we will hopefully get follower slots for ourselves

[modest tulip]

Be kinda messed up if I can kit my T2 othersoul with a blue doggo 😂

[harsh gust]

Oh there are restrictions ofc

[opaque wren]

I'm gonna name all my OS after NFS employees

Just slightly different

Ohdee
Moredangy
Purrply
Shovel
Coven

[rough jewel]

Shovel is beautiful

[crimson whale]

[harsh gust]

I have to come up with more salad puns for them

[fossil ridge]

oro1

And so on

Easy

[gentle bison]

I was really confused for a moment, and thought you were talking about Operating Systems, and was like "oh, cool. I'd try them out."
I am quite interested to see what nonsense people will come up with for their T2 Othersouls names.

[fossil ridge]

And each one with a different slime skin 🗿

Beautiful

[opaque wren]

They've already released lookalike sprites of all the employee, makes it an easy one to do.

Wonder if there's a limit per tier or amount of OS we can manage

[candid bobcat]

So we're gonna do T3 PVP?! hahahahaha holy moly Although I heard mention somewhere about a rock/paper/scissor possibility for battles?

And reading that, othersouls won't actually have classes? Just sprites, skills, gear, and followers? If so that could be what makes it fair for those actually at that tier?

[modest tulip]

The Rock Paper Scissors thing is just an extra mini game added to give you something to do when revisiting a settlement

[signal arrow]

Okay now I'm happy. T3, sphinx cub or monceros. 5, kin of kerberos or maybe stick with surtr's flame

[spark plover]

Do we know any details on whether or not inventory & followers among Othersouls is shared?

As in, will we be able to equip all of our T5, etc. Othersouls with a single Godforged Battlemage Helmet or will it become unavailable to the rest after being equipped to one of them?

I wouldn't mind the latter scenario since the resource cost might give actual lower tier players a bit of relief. Maybe. But I'm curious either way.

[modest tulip]

Not saying this invalidates your question at all, cuz it is a good one, but I feel like there won't be too much gear overlap. Gear moves fast in those lower tiers and there usually isn't much worth using from previous Tiers.

That being said, it is a good question. Will we be able to essentially double dip on gear?

[alpine condor]

when you giveth the helm, it is taketh away

[spark plover]

What I meant by relief for lower tiers was that it would cost higher tier players some valuable materials if they really want to hold those spots with their Othersouls.

You're correct in that it wouldn't be much of a burden for the actual lower tier players since they'll move on eventually.

[modest tulip]

One use per gear piece. I like.

[spark plover]

Thank you for the response!

What of their assigned followers? I assume it'll be the same since we don't have multiples of them anyway.

[brisk vector]

One use gear for othersoul or that includes your main? as I would imagine a freshly tiered up player would be using the same gear he would likely want to put on his newly spawned follower. aka, Just turned T10, your t9 Follower would probably want to wear the gear you are currently wearing because you don't instantly get better t10 gear

Dilema of tiering up making it hard to defend your now othersoul's land that was directly yours moment ago

[odd barn]

Does the main soul use a different follower then the rest of the game?

[brisk vector]

if you can doubledip with your main, then the system could literaly copy your loadout on tiering up to set your new othersoul with exactly what you wore untill you change it

so you also don't acidently leave your t9 claims to a naked molerat of an othersoul

I don't expect a t4 to know enough of all the things happenning to know he left his t3 land defenceless, not that I expect a t3 to claim a lot of land

so the point for me is mostly a worry for t7 into t8 and t9 into t10

[alpine condor]

when you giveth the garm, tis taketh away

[modest tulip]

Love these responses.

I am curious, are the Tiers shown in the hype post what we can expect upon release or is simply placeholder?

[spark plover]

Thanks again!

Seems like the Othersouls will get to enjoy actual build diversity in a PVP environment 😅

[brisk vector]

Spirit Garn (not arisen) wont be spammable :D

Will Adornament of higher tiers lock lower tier gear?

Jewel of Creation on t3 gear?

[modest tulip]

I am interested to see the pet picks for lower tier settlements. That's gunna be a lot of fun

[brisk vector]

for sure

[spark plover]

I imagine so.

I've been saving a bunch of T4 Jewels of Ward and the T5/6 ran-gens. Now they'll see some use, haha

Saturn's Eye and Bulls Eyes are probably the best of the bunch, though both are T6.

[spark plover]

I was going to say it'll likely be things that can cause sleep, before whatever tier Ankou's Ring becomes available, but there's still the T4 Waking Pendant to stop that from being a trend.

So yeah, it'll be fun to see what people do. I saw someone mention a few of the event pets that are basically just a collector's item at the moment, like the Sphinx Cub.

[hidden lantern]

Oooh, nice exploit, I like this mental

[candid bobcat]

And is this same T3 othersoul who taketh the helm ONLY used for that single territory? Or is the T3 slot for all territories using the same T3 othersoul. Like will I need a helm for each territory?

[tawny sparrow]

One helm to rule them all

[harsh gust]

Oh man

I kinda hoped for the possibility to have more loadouts for them

[opaque wren]

A Helm for each OS makes sense

How would they all share a hat at thr same time ?

[harsh gust]

Idk man
We have a human that summons dragons out of nothing

[modest tulip]

On one hand, I feel like that's a little extreme. On the other hand, that would REALLY mix up the PvP scene in the lower Tiers for sure.

[opaque wren]

I think this is gonna be the most fun update

It rewards long time players that hoarded their murder treasure

[modest tulip]

Oh and we've been a hoarding lemme tell ya

[harsh gust]

All ive heard is that the guild is boring

From multiple people

But I still want to try it myself

[stable elbow]

I think I will name my T2/3 EXP-Less food or fodder or something

[opaque wren]

My OS squad, the power knights

Need a pink one though

Or ill send out the ULTIMATE IN CHADLY MANLY OTHERSOUL

BEHOLD TERROR INCARNATE
BALDEMETER
PRISTINE VISAGE OF GODLINESS

Hide you settlements
Hide yo wifes

[modest tulip]

Is that Baldemeter? Is Baldingemeter?

Kinda looks like he got that boomer horse shoe going on ngl

A horse shoe afro at that

[crimson whale]

Ballindemeter

He's balling

[lean cosmos]

It's because it's the thing that would, presumably, play the most differently than anything we've experienced in the past.

[modest tulip]

I expect it'll be a really fun refreshing experience for us end gamers. There's lots of fun items and pets in the early game that we never really got a chance to toy with. Barring alts of course, but I don't do the alt thing. Mine are just for dungeon sharing.

[mint fox]

hello, do we need extra amities and gear to equip onto othersouls or can your character and othersouls be wearing the same amities at the same time?

[rough jewel]

Othersouls cannot equip amities

But you do need extra gear yes

[mint fox]

I dumped a spare ornate fey surtr cuirass that was 178 while my better one was 196, I have no regrets because t10 doesn't need a t10 othersoul right?

[lean cosmos]

Right. Though something like that could be wise to keep around for giving different adornments in alternative builds

[harsh gust]

Oh thank god

[harsh gust]

BayBladeMaster

[crimson whale]

Bayblade bayblade let it rip !

[harsh gust]

https://tenor.com/view/sasha-dead-armin-mikasa-beyblade-gif-20216929

[crimson whale]

Hhhhmmmm I wonder what is the real scene

I want an other sould that spams cyclone and name it bayblade master

[harsh gust]

You can find it on the internet
I kinda forgot

lol

[crimson whale]

I know wich one it is lol

[harsh gust]

That would be quite funny

[crimson whale]

And it's a fricking tank

And he does

20k damage with cyclone

Somehow

Lol

[harsh gust]

Actually good for this guild

[crimson whale]

Beyblade master meta

[opaque wren]

The Cyclone Gang

[harsh gust]

Lego ninjago guild

[crimson whale]

https://tenor.com/view/kamen-rider-revice-kamen-rider-demons-kamen-rider-ikki-igarashi-vice-gif-25284453

[harsh gust]

So the tiers for othersouls are t3, t5, t7 and t9 right?

[merry chasm]

Do we know if we choose a class for the othersoul, from that tier?

[hidden lantern]

I wish, I want to mess with Collateral Damage and Avidity as main Valhallan

[harsh gust]

At least that's how it looks from the stuff in #📡│hype

[brisk vector]

looks like it

[brisk vector]

would make sense

[harsh gust]

Yippie

[merry chasm]

I'm assuming we will, just looking through the gear I've got in my castle and what's restricted to each class type

[signal arrow]

I'd love it if we didn't choose a class and could mix and match gear tbh, might make for some fun builds

I do like the idea of the othersouls being level 50, 100 etc i.e the lowest possible level within their tier. Means they're already going to be at a stat disadvantage

[merry chasm]

Might be some fun builds, but we'd miss out on class passives too

[spark plover]

Excuse you, this affliction is unfortunately not limited to boomers... 😒

[stable elbow]

I know some 20 somethings with that affliction not even sure what generation that is Z or something

[modest tulip]

Gen Z if its got a swoosh buzzed into it

Millenial Horse shoe comes with mandatory man bun

[spark plover]

I don't have enough functional follicles for a man bun, not that I would do that to myself either way. I miss my 'fro, though 😔

[modest tulip]

I cut off 10 inches once and I think 18 the second time. I too miss my massive ridiculous fro.

[opaque wren]

These OS might be good candidates for all those 2 handed weapons eh

Zwei is the way

[hidden lantern]

Gentlemen, I just created this thread to talk about https://discord.com/channels/448527960056791051/1273538558233149543

[keen wind]

What are people's thoughts about class info from the invader being relayed to you after x amount of settlements taken? It doesn't reveal a name if you're anonymous, just tells the defender what class is invading your settlements

[upper cove]

When will they implement leaderboard for all guilds?

[alpine condor]

the guild leaderboards are in the conqueror's guild update

[eternal comet]

Can tier 9 othersouls equip celestial weapons?

[fossil ridge]

Probably if it’s the T9 ones

[eternal comet]

And, if they can, how do people feel about that?

[hidden lantern]

Bahamut Hydrus + Lute

yummy territories

[eternal comet]

Othersouls don’t have classes

[hidden lantern]

What ? I missed this info :(

[eternal comet]

No class, no spec

[hidden lantern]

So no avidity, no collateral damage

I wanted to have fun theorycrafting the best othersoul build :(

[alpine condor]

you still can

there are just a few less variables

[hidden lantern]

Well, yes but I wanted to have a warrior with 2 axes with CD

[alpine condor]

you can have that, it just won't be an othersoul 😛

[hidden lantern]

Oooh ...

Well, that means it will be decided on the best equipment and skillset you can unlock at a tier

No valhallan nor summoner, so you can't rely on pet for damage

yep, that's not just "few" less variables

[eternal comet]

Im a bit worried that celestial weapons might bring some unbalance to tier 9. Not sure how many T9 players manage to unlock fully updated weapons at that tier before hitting t10

[hidden lantern]

yep, if the gear does the difference, having a celestial weapons with ornate augments will do all the difference

[eternal comet]

There are still a lot of variables imo. Do you go for a debuff set with assassin+ gear? Do you try to stack def and res to stall out attackers? Do you go balls to the wall on offense?

[alpine condor]

still weighing in whether celestials should be okay - on one hand, t9 celestials will finally get decent use, and it is the second highest league, so heavier competitive options are a bit expected imo

on the other hand, it does put t8 ina rough spot compared to all other tiers

[hidden lantern]

Well, it will be Assassin debuffing build against full ward damage build, I don't know if there will be more viable creativity

[eternal comet]

How do you get starting ward though with no amities? Trusting on ward % might cost you at turn 1

[rough jewel]

I'd personally say that they could be fine considering just how hard it is to slot immunities into othersouls

[eternal comet]

I can see the point about competitiveness and making t9 celestials finally have a use, hadn’t considered that side

[hidden lantern]

Amity isn't considered equipment ?

[eternal comet]

They can’t have amities or accessories either iirc

[hidden lantern]

Pfft

[rough jewel]

Othersouls get no amities, no accessories, no classes, no specs

everything else is fair game

[hidden lantern]

Welp, time to see what's the best gear for each tier I guess, nothing else matter

[eternal comet]

I think the point is making sure they don’t fully shut down the actual players in that tier

[alpine condor]

right - in-leagure players should always have the advantage

[rough jewel]

Per example, the only source of stasis immunity for othersouls is Amadan's staff

unless your T8 othersoul is holding one of those, t8 players can always win the fight with stasis.

[alpine condor]

this is really for the ultra competive who want to maximize the guild

[inner harness]

Then celestial weapons can't be an option at T9

Running at a fresh T9 with 6x ornate selene hands is game over

[rough jewel]

Is it? Where are you going to put Sleep, Stasis and Petrified immunity? You always go second, too

[inner harness]

Given that I can stop everything in the game except sleep/drenched at T5, I'll make it work at T9

[rough jewel]

The in-league players should have the advantage, but it doesn't mean they should cakewalk over it all

[alpine condor]

stat scaling + strategy can overcome selene builds imo

[rough jewel]

Might be hard missing accessory slots though, but maybe

[hidden lantern]

Understandable, but if we can show them all the wonders you can make with some builds, and give disadvantage to balance things
Now that's just putting clothes to a scarecrow that's ridiculous 😂

[inner harness]

This also isn't accounting for the other massive advantages the T9 othersouls will have

Like godforge gear, and maxed out adornments

[rough jewel]

Also hold on, how do you stop petrified at t5?
I guess you can get the stone pendant from an... area guardian cockatrice??

[inner harness]

Boots

Gabbonos

[rough jewel]

oh, right, yeah

[inner harness]

Or however it is spelled

[alpine condor]

but again, this is the second highest tier, so it is expected to have heavier competition and a little more barrier to entry imo. i don't think fresh t9s should be able to perform as competitively - need to pump some numbers

[rough jewel]

This is also something that can be settled later in release to be honest

release othersouls without celestial capabilities - if all players are having an easy time beating them, then allow them to equip them

[inner harness]

Settling things after release in Orna is a great way to let them fester for months or a year. Let's not go there

[rough jewel]

it's easier to allow them do to it than to disallow it later, where people's hatred over spent resources will have them backlash

[rough jewel]

Wouldn't call "not having celestial weapons on othersouls" something that "festers", but at that point I guess I'm just arguing semantics

[inner harness]

If the plan is going from not allowed -> allowed, it shouldn't be an issue

But it definitely shouldn't be they get access, "we see how it goes" and adjust from there

[alpine condor]

I think it would be more of an issue if Othersouls had celestial while players did not. That would leave the player at a disadvantage

The player still has the celestial option - they just need to earn it. There should not be an expectation that I enter t9 and can stomp the second highest league

[inner harness]

I'm pretty sure that most T9 players, even with access to celestial weapons, are going to struggle against a decked out T9 othersoul without a celestial weapon

[modest tulip]

Odie, about the new LBs, is there any way to include like a battle history with the BoF board?

[inner harness]

It's not like there aren't plenty of really good T9 weapons as is. Celestial would just push it over the top and cement T11 dominance in two leagues.

Im pretty sure T3 and T5 are screwed as well, but that is outside of celestial influence

[hidden lantern]

Jokes on you, I found out that some weapons gives ward turn : https://playorna.com/codex/items/sleighblade/

[alpine condor]

stat scaling + class passives + amity + accessories + spec will all go a long way to outweight celestials

[hidden lantern]

Even if it has the t9 celestial axe with 1x ward turn and 4x ward regen augments ?

Combined with 200% ward gear

[alpine condor]

would it have 100% dot immunities?

[hidden lantern]

good question

[hidden lantern]

You can stack Status reduction like Gorgon's Eyes

[rough jewel]

You're not getting big ward dual wielding

[alpine condor]

i can stack status adds

[rough jewel]

and then you're losing the celestial weapon for the gorgon eyes

[hidden lantern]

you mean assassin ?

[alpine condor]

nag belt, etc

[rough jewel]

I also think you'd be shredded by bugganes not gonna lie

if you're going for big ward energy, summoners can just get bugganes or very scary skeletons

they will outdamage your sustain, because you cannot get t.def immunity

nor can you cleanse it

[hidden lantern]

Crystalis can be an option

[inner harness]

You can, it comes at a cost though

[rough jewel]

ah but then where did the celestial go?

with the ward regen

[alpine condor]

yeah gorgon eye is weapon

[hidden lantern]

then don't focus on the ward regen

[fossil ridge]

So basically everything has a counter is what we are seeing

Xd

[hidden lantern]

You can go full critical then instead

[rough jewel]

then you can be worn down - which you already could with stuff like bleed rot burn blight etc

[hidden lantern]

Gorgon's Eyes are critical adorns with status resist

[alpine condor]

sure, so can i, and i have first hit

[hidden lantern]

Hey I got a good build for t9

[inner harness]

We are giving a lot of credit to players that are still new to the game, and likely don't know that even half of this stuff exist

[hidden lantern]

However Crystalis might be a little low stats for t9

[fossil ridge]

Yeah, this is just going to the extremes

[alpine condor]

if a t9 is unfamilar with these mechanics, they're going to have issue in many parts of the game

[rough jewel]

Also, gorgon's eye gives 3 status protection

You need 13 of those to reach the same level as Steadfast 1

[inner harness]

Going to sound like an elitist here, but have you seen the questions that get asked in OL and in the lower tier channels here?

[modest tulip]

Odie says T9s git gud

[rough jewel]

which is nowhere near immunity, mind you

[inner harness]

Players do have a hard time many parts of the game coming into T9/T10

[hidden lantern]

yeah do you know a t9 weapon with a lot of adorns ?

[fossil ridge]

I just helped someone get to T9 today killing a few raids with them and they were using bastion for ward, not knowing that ward of mythril exists, and what ward absorption is

[alpine condor]

i have, yes. and I believe one would need to get a grasp on these mechanics if they are to be successful in the second hightest league of the Conqueror's Guild

[fossil ridge]

Yeah

[inner harness]

I don't think looking at it like it's the second highest league is appropriate here.

To new players, it's just another league

[hidden lantern]

Well I guess we could debate if Celestials are too strong when the beta opens

[inner harness]

And enabling celestial weapons on othersouls is setting them up for failure

[rough jewel]

Brilliant Feathers?
Two handed though, so goodbye shield and goodbye stasis immunity

[hidden lantern]

World Eater

Magnificient

[rough jewel]

oh fair yeah

[inner harness]

I'd rather T9 players have a big advantage so that they actually want to keep participating when they hit T10/T11, instead of being totally demotivated because they've gotten smacked around

They'll already have to go through the gauntlet of T3/T5/T7

[rough jewel]

Again, they can release without celestial access, and enable it later if deemed necessary

[inner harness]

And when Odie commits to that, I'll shut up

But that isn't the current plan, which is why currently they can equip them

[rough jewel]

Personally it doesn't seem like the plan is set in stone

[jaunty remnant]

All in favor of drastically reducing celestial weapon strength so that they're about as strong as other weapons of their tier (T9, T10) instead of being 2-3x better 😇

[rough jewel]

from the fact that Odie said he's still weighing it in.

[stiff flame]

Currently they get smacked around by t11s with a lot of AL. I think they're going to have a much better chance fighting a t9 othersoul even if it's decked out

[rough jewel]

Also that

[inner harness]

Of course, the curve into T10/11 is a 90° angle

[rough jewel]

Also, if you want to use that as an argument, one could say that them being able to equip two handers and a shield is the current plan because they can :p

[harsh gust]

Let me equip 2 2 handed weapons

Like a tru dwarf

[cobalt siren]

your telling me my OS with a brilliant Feathers and and a fallen shield is not staying? 😆

[harsh gust]

😦

[rough jewel]

That would be the logical conclusion yes

[harsh gust]

Ok John but please let us equip 2 shields

[alpine condor]

this is loosely on the roadmap fwiw

[cobalt siren]

I know was only kidding haha

[alpine condor]

maybe not "drastically", but we definitely need some adjustment

[harsh gust]

Can we get % max hp regen for augemnts? We have ward so I don't see a problem

[rough jewel]

A lot of the "just a bunch of stats" augments could afford to have unique passives to them - especially considering that the game has matured a lot since augments' first introduction, there are a lot more unique passives out there that can just be stapled onto them

[alpine condor]

no, not set in stone.

but my personal opinion is "for" them. competition, something to work for, yada, yada

[rough jewel]

(Plus, if a lot of the passives stop being so offensively oriented, then regular weapons can regain their usage by being the offensive counterpart)

[harsh gust]

I hope that we get those passives not only on augments but on lower tier items too

[rough jewel]

I am also for them, as I believe celestiall'd othersouls can be beat by players who wrack their brains into countering them

It's much easier than having to beat the local AL220 Gilga that has celestials as well.

[cobalt siren]

I honestly dont think celestial weapons are gonna be as much of a problem as people are thinking they'll be. This also may be an unpopular opinion, and I get T9 towers are hard, but it's not that hard. Also to get a celestial weapon at T9 is not impossible either, My T9 alt has a celestial weapon at level 200, no GFed gear and 2 pieces of it aren't even ornate. Obviously it takes planning and strategy, and It cant complete every fight but it can still reach Floor 35

[fossil ridge]

Most T9s will just get the classes and then save shards

[cobalt siren]

that's their choice then

[fossil ridge]

To buy the T10 classes and weapons, which will be much better than the T9 ones

Like, most people won’t stay that much time in T9 as to prioritize a T9 weapon over saving for a T10 one

[cobalt siren]

But this would also give reason to buy a T9 weapon as before it was useless when you hit T10, but with this it'll be useful even afterwards

[fossil ridge]

Then maybe T9 weapons should be more accessible

To be a better choice

[jaunty remnant]

I like how othersouls give a home to T9 celestial weapons.

Old players get an excuse to make another celestial weapon besides the caxe and clute they've been using for the last year.
New players newly in T9 can work toward a T9 celestial for themselves to use, and then when they graduate to T10, can hand-me-down it to their OS.

Because right now yeah, most T9ers just get through the tier without ever making a weapon.

[fossil ridge]

.

[cobalt siren]

they are quite accessable tho?

takes only a few towers

[harsh gust]

I doubt that they will make them bad
I just want more passives for them

Like avividy, hp regen

Mana regen

Etc

[cobalt siren]

oh me too, I am just talking about OS having access to them

[harsh gust]

Oh right

[fossil ridge]

111k tower shards is a pretty steep price, knowing most people leave T9 with one T9 celestial class at most.
And the people who actually stay enough time in T9, find enough towers and are strong enough to complete towers will focus on saving for T10 weapons and classes anyway

[blissful cairn]

None of the 9* weapons have 6 slots, no 2h weapons

[fossil ridge]

For me, I still prefer getting another T10 weapon from which I will get more use than just defending one of the 5 brackets

And yeah, it is a choice, but not everybody has an easy access to towers