Monumental Guild

[plain pumice]

Even with a map, it feels you could visually improve, so we can at least guess a path without looking the pad / map

[minor salmon]

I am still a part of the "better visual indication for the path" team, yes

just saying that there is a current work around it

[placid falcon]

Its a bandaid imo

Not really an elegant solution looking at map

Constantly

[minor salmon]

Not really, because it fixes a different issue that we've had previously, which was how players on larger screens / DPIs had the advantage of not having to explore tower/monuments, since they could see everything at a glance

now others can too, at the press of a button, in a nicely displayed information window. You can quickly decide where you want to go

it doesn't fix the paths' legibility entirely

but it helps, while fixing the other problem

[placid falcon]

Good for them but i bet for most folks, we are using the small hp screen

[lethal void]

Yup, the maps have definitely received a good amount of feedback re: navigation. I’m not sure we need to bring it up again

Enabling auto-update on your device for Orna would be the best option 🙂

[minor salmon]

Mornin' odie 👋

[lethal void]

mornin’

[noble jacinth]

How common are monuments? I have yet to find one.

[cosmic yarrow]

I've seen a fair number of them. I've got 2 within a km of my OT

[noble jacinth]

According to Scouthawk my closest is over 3km away. Oh well. Maybe one will rotate in closer.

[static fossil]

I find them to be kinda clustered in my area, either won't see any or a few in a row

[blazing barn]

about as, or slightly more common than towers ime.

[noble jacinth]

Ha! I haven't seen one of those in months.

[trail plume]

they're much more common than towers definitely

I saw like 6 when I popped max VD near my work and only 2 towers this week

[dusky pike]

About double the density of towers, yep

[worldly moon]

I feel like where ever i go there's a tower or monument

[dim drum]

sweet 2 monuments at my place this week

[noble jacinth]

Still no monument near me. Scouthawk shows one over 3km away, and three towers also about that far off.

[coarse jetty]

I remember Dangy saying something about the colors of the platforms mattering for event mobs or something.

Mobile Discord is terrible for searching now, has anyone figured out any relation between spawns and colors?

Bonus points for linking Dangy's comment about it.

[trail plume]

I remember dangy saying it to me when I asked but mobile discord search is so scuffed it's only showing dangy's general messages

[trail plume]

#1178696239336914975 message
have this from when I posted it on orna legends after seeing it, but then knight said it isn't true

[forest wave]

I have not been able to find any correlation with the color/theme of the platforms and the mob packs. Mobs can be ones that have nothing to do with the dungeon theme of their platform and entering a themed door doesn't seem to influence what the mobs on the next floor will be.

Also, fomorian house themed tiles don't mean much anyway. Unless we're supposed to clear them with the associated means in order to gain something? cba to test that.
fomoria linked to weather conditions/night maybe?

[lethal void]

There is certainly a correlation

[cedar wagon]

I seem to only find tower guardians in green monuments

[coarse jetty]

Just did a monument, 10/20 floors did not have an event mob.

Rabble rabble.

[static fossil]

Yeahhh this over lapping event Christmas bonanza has kinda ruined monuments for me for the time being haha

The density without 3 events is rough haha

[coarse jetty]

4 monument clears later

230/4=57.5 proofs per monument on average.

And 2 proofs of avarice from chests.

[static fossil]

Oh thats not terrible

[eternal onyx]

58

That's the issue with this.

It's shit rewards. If they weren't here I would have felt better

[high obsidian]

Are event pets locked behind monuments now?

[coarse jetty]

No, they're just another option.

Just picked up arisen bloodwarg and arisen stonewarg from bestiaries.

[lusty terrace]

If monuments are for events, is there any reason to not have event mobs in there? I understand monument proof cost may need to be adjusted if everything in there is an event mob, but still, can we make it all event mobs?

[lusty terrace]

I do have auto updates on. But how am I supposed to know to hit a button that I'm used to ignoring unless I want to see what buffs I have? We all love the updates you do, but please, make them very apparent that they've been done.

I mean, you're accomplishing things and showing how you're listening to feedback and working how to make things better. This is the kind of thing that should be blasted out to show how awesome this game is.

It's weird to figure it out by accident and/or complain about it and find that it's been fixed and wonder to yourself how long it's been fixed. ;p

[lethal void]

That’s fair!

[sweet agate]

Is it just me or prices in proofs of monument are a bit overtuned. 50000 for a HoC, 3500 for a T10 pet... That's 70 monuments clear for a pet, 1000 monuments clear for a HoC, an activity solely GPS with a 23H cooldown.

[static fossil]

What pet?

Cause mine doesn't have any haha

[sweet agate]

good luck buying pets this way

farming monuments for a year to get one pet

I was expecting something around 350 but that's way too much

[static fossil]

Hmmm must not show if you have them

I could buy 1.75 of them

[sweet agate]

I don't get to many monuments neaby unfortunately, I can buy 0.1 of them

[static fossil]

5850 proofs and counting!

[blazing barn]

it's only if you don't have them, yeah.

[sweet agate]

takes me around 15 minutes to full clear a monument. 70 of them would be equal to 17 hours 30 minutes.

I think I'll just keep building bestiaries and ignore monuments

[static fossil]

Yeah me too.... guild level 22 😅

I have a problem

[blazing barn]

using monuments for primary purchases seems unwise. instead you do the normal thing to get event gear and followers -- and then you have long-term collections to one-off purchase stuff (like, on the last day of the event maybe).

[sweet agate]

You really enjoy them ? IDK you but I find them a bit borring. It's like a little tower but without the difficulty.

[blazing barn]

that being said idk if the prices are right. 🤷‍♂️

[sweet agate]

you spend more time nagigating the thing than actually fighting

[static fossil]

For me the only difference between them and towers is using woo

And I don't have to pay attention in the fights at all in monuments

[sweet agate]

I do tower with CS, but monuments are so easy I just go bard

I'd like them to be much more challenging AND rewarding

But for now, I'll stay away from them. They're not worth the time for what they give, unless you really don't have anything else to do.

[robust tundra]

Pet can show up at monument shop too? TIL

[placid falcon]

Be mindful that monument is meant to be content for mid level player while still relevant for higher lvl

[trail plume]

I understand the difficulty but I really don't know what to use proof of monument on once this month is over tbh

festival scroll is pretty good but the others are ehhh

[pastel drum]

To bring this conversation back to light - do you guys think that event raids spawned from special scrolls (Jorm, Cerus, etc.) should have their drops buyable with avarice? Maybe the amount of purchases can be reduced

[trail plume]

Im fine with a cap reduction tbh

either that or let us trade for the items that are needed for the scroll so we still have to farm the raid

[half island]

I just want a select all button. Or even a way to just sort items by type. After we waited so long for a select all button on all inventory items were back to clicking single items again

Again I feel like new content is being pushed out too fast with little refinement

[rigid quail]

i prefer if they dont add them,
i believe BiS should still be hard to get

[lethal void]

Given how many accidental forfeits we’ve seen thus far, I don’t think a select all button would be a good choice

[plain pumice]

They will learn how to lock their items the hard way

[sweet agate]

what's your thought about a change like that in auto-dismantle ?
#💡│suggestions message

[half island]

Or just mark items to be forfeit in main inventory

[lethal void]

I’d definitely prefer that over select all. Auto junk is a pretty duplicated suggestion, and it likely something we’ll see if the auto-options get a rework

[spiral turret]

Idk if the discussion is settled or not but I just want to point out that its only fomo if you see it as a primary source for loot. If you don't put much thought into it, its just... sweet

[spiral turret]

I'll tell you an even better one, option to "auto-forfeit" exotics

[dim drum]

as long as you don,t see it as "this is how i will get a 190 roll, it solves this

any 190+ chaser will need to do the actual event

[sweet agate]

And those who don't farm events won't have proof of forfeit anyway. It's not like the items are completely free. It's just a little bit of help on that one item you really want but didn't get yet.

[trail plume]

it is just farming event but at a different time

youre still farming at the end of the day

[midnight rapids]

I want more monuments

Still haven't seen one

[little stag]

what does the scout hawk say? whats your VD? have you moved? They're more common than towers.

[midnight rapids]

950vd, movement around my city but nothing further

[little stag]

and the scout hawk?

and have you talked to the npc yet?

[midnight rapids]

Yes

[little stag]

and built the monument?

[midnight rapids]

Yes

My closest monument on hawk is 3000m

🤩

[little stag]

perfect to get travelers guild daily 1 done.

[midnight rapids]

Mm

[trail plume]

wtf is this cost

[plain pumice]

https://tenor.com/view/indian-ninja-gif-18413610

[trail plume]

would you rather have 58 scrolls from monument proof / 35 DMs / 70 festival scroll or a t9 pet

[open wyvern]

Still a better deal than the xp potion

[trail plume]

is it really

[sweet agate]

Rookie numbers

[trail plume]

wtf

[coarse jetty]

I found a better conversion.

[placid falcon]

day light robbery lol

[desert jackal]

I don't know whether it's been confirmed or not so asking here. Will the festive scrolls be usable after the winter wild hunts event ends?

[coarse jetty]

I doubt it will be usable, I'm going to try anyway

[hardy vigil]

The monumental guild is pretty great. Is there a separate discussion thread for monuments themselves?

[minor salmon]

I know it's a lot of text

So I don't blame you for not having seen it

[desert jackal]

I read that but thought to myself, "Could it just be flavour text?" Tbh

[little stag]

To be fair it doesn't make a ton of sense right? The scroll is already dynamic for the current event, it will be completely useless except for this month, and every other month will need its own themed scroll? The naming will become absurd, and it will just take up a lot of inventory spaces.

[minor salmon]

More like other months won't have scrolls.

[little stag]

Oof, that is going to make monuments an even tougher sell. Unless they become near necessary by breaking more event/instances ... like right now with the gnomes. I guess its a passive nerf to unfelled concord and waygate abuse, so maybe it is a good thing?

[minor salmon]

This is not a confirmation btw

But I do think it is unlikely

[little stag]

Ofc, and decisions can change, but if not scrolls then do you predict some other function for the proofs of monuments the rest of the year?

If there is no good sink for the proofs then either the monuments will just be an eyesore most of the year, or next year's Winter wilds...oh boy that will be a lot of scrolls.

[minor salmon]

I'm sure there will be seasonal ways to spend the proofs, even if not necessarily every month

Plus the monuments aren't entirely about the proofs - the shrines at the top are quite valuable, and the event monsters you find along the way can be quite handy if you're having a hard time finding said event monsters.

And lastly, they give so much experience, moreso for lower tiers. Like soo much experience

[half island]

Id really like to not have to check each guardian if it has an event mob though. Or just give xp for all guardians in the monument

[dim drum]

I hope to never ve forced to have 5k tokens to get event pets and just have the beastiary loto to get my pets

[silver glade]

It’s a bit worrisome that the clurichauns that were in mystic caves are apparently only showing up in monuments now. If monuments are to be a supplement to events, I’d have thought they’d be placed in a different dungeon as well

[little stag]

they are in chaos portals, just the amount is .. mediocre

[silver glade]

The ones from mystics as well? They didn’t seem to be when testing when the event released, but that might have been changed or I might have been luck issue-d

[little stag]

which ones were from mystic and which werent?

[silver glade]

I know bricriu was in mystic while amadan was in chaos, the others I didn’t pay much attention to

[little stag]

i guess i didnt verify that, spawn rate was so meh just went and did a monument instead, i can go check though

In T11 chaos: Fergus, Beag, Amadan , so same ones as before i guess, maybe the t4/t6 are in lower tier chaos... forgot they were in 3 different themed dungeons before

[dim drum]

I did not see any of the cave ones and i wanted to farm a better quality boe from them

[hardy vigil]

I agree with this sentiment wholeheartedly.

I think the Monumental Guild is great, with lots of variety of things to do to engage with event content. It really does seem to allow you to engage as you see fit (for the most part).

The Monuments, however... Are pretty lackluster.

1. I'm not a fan of the movement within the monuments, which largely relies on observing whether the movement arrows light up. Unlike towers, which have a visual cue telling you that a room exists in a given direction, the disjointed floating platforms have no such cue.

2. The challenge level of the monument content feels very low compared to towers. Is there a way to allow for these to scale in difficulty? "Risk vs reward" is great, but "Little to no risk plus big time commitment" makes these monuments feel grindy.

3. I really dislike having to walk up to each guardian/mob pack within monuments to see whether they have any event mobs/bosses in them. Couldn't there be a way to check this from the map? Or a minimum of 1 proof of monument per guardian pack?
   It isn't a great feeling to wander around an entire floor in search of events mobs, only to find there are none and you've wasted your time.

4. While I enjoy the head-nod to faction allegiance (i.e., Monument of Vulcan is free to enter for fire faction members), I wish there was more distinction between the monument types. Perhaps Vulcan in Vulcan monuments could be a challenging fight with extra proofs? Perhaps the "Guardian of Vulcan" mob set could be all berserked when you enter the battle?

[lethal void]

Next update includes highlight for event mobs (on the map)

Followers will move to monumental guild once the pricing is more appropriate

Clurichauns should be in all dungeons as of much earlier today

[trail plume]

omg first and third change are hype

oh is the second change already in live? I noticed a lot of followers now cost double digits proof

[little stag]

Cormac, cornall, bricriu, amergin, all in t6 normal horde, good spawnrate. edit: seems they're all in t11 too.

[minor salmon]

Regarding second change, does that mean they will no longer be in bestiaries...?

Because if that's the case, god bless not having to sift through hundreds of bestiaries

[little stag]

oooh that would be a good proof sink and help with the OT cleanup.

[lethal void]

Ideally, yes

[little stag]

awesome, so just some high rise section 8 housing, and super factories left

[trail plume]

at least you can stack houses on top of each other for now so it doesnt occupy some spaces too

but refineries cost a lot of space even though i dont have a lot

[worldly moon]

You can also move them out of your OT so you don't have to see them anymore (or destroy the buildings but that would be to easy)

[trail plume]

can i tell them to pay rent

1 ornate kala per month or they get booted

[coarse jetty]

No Clurichauns spotted in my battlegrounds or beast dens.

Unlucky.

[open wyvern]

I don't know, I think there is a certain charm to bestiaries. Sharing event followers through bestiaries brings the community a bit closer together

[sweet agate]

yes, and if you make this change, if you want an event pet I'll have to do monuments even if you don't like it. Considering event pets are far more useful than regular pets, I'm not sure that it's a good change if you ask me.

unless it's bought with either monument proofs or forfeit proofs, giving you the choice of doing monument or just regular event and buy the pet with all the junk you droped

[forest wave]

Yeah, not a fan of being forced into towers lite in order to acquire future event pets, even if I could free some space from my OT by discarding bestiaries.

[trail plume]

would be cool if both options remain here since I'm pretty sure some people would rather spend orns at higher tiers and some people would rather keep their orns for proof at lower tiers

with the new price change on event pets for proof of monument it looks a lot more reasonable now too

[sweet agate]

my main problem with it is some players don't ever see any towers nor monuments because they leave in regions not so crowded.
for them, it would be very hard to get the event pets from monumental proofs.

[little stag]

has there been proof of this? so far everyone that has said this turns out they didn't even check the skyhawk and it always turns out there is a monument within 10 minutes walking distance in a GPS game.

[sweet agate]

I've seen it myself when I go visit grand ma.
At home (Paris), I usually get find towers or monument nearby (not all weeks but almost).
But when I go by her house in countryside, I think I saw a tower once but it's very rare. Even if possible, there's at least a density issue.
Tho I don't play much there so it could be considered a blank zone for the game, I think there's still a difference in frequency.

[little stag]

Are the areas in the countryside actually marked as explored?

[sweet agate]

I've killed the exploration monsters nearby but not very far

[little stag]

also guessing you dont move your OT there, so you haven't actually checked with skyhawk

[sweet agate]

you can use scouthawks from outpost

[little stag]

can and did are two different things.

next time check skyhawk and check the "what's nearby"

[sweet agate]

What you're saying is that I'm lying so I don't see a reason to continue that discussion.

[little stag]

No where did I say you were lying. Now you have put false words in my mouth.

[sweet agate]

literally saying I did not actually used it

[little stag]

No what i literally said is you have not clarified if you did or did not, you only stated it is possible.

Stating something is possible is very very far from stating you have done something.

[trail plume]

the difference is definitely there though depending on player activities

near my work there are usually 5-6 monuments + a few tower spawn once i pop max VD because a bunch of high regional ranking player hang out around that area

then when i get home (i live quite far from my work), my areas barely get taken because no one go near that part out of their way and i usually see 0-1 monument / tower, it have been this way ever since i got this job in june too before and after tower spawn rework

the area im living in is by no mean rural and most people i talk to on orna legends dont get the first case neither

[worldly moon]

I wonder what the perfect price for event pets would be... If they were too cheap you could essentially turn proofs of monuments into orns by releasing the pet

[lethal void]

Or the cost could even be…orns 🙂

Yes, there is charm to wayvessel sharing, but that is something inaccessible to many players. We receive more negative feedback about bestiary rolling and sharing than positive

But I’m not against both staying, for the record. We will see

[little stag]

Monument/guild building sharing could fix that 😉

[minor salmon]

I wonder, is there the possibility of having an item have two costs, in the same shop, at the same time?

Monumental Guild offering Pet X for Y Proofs or Z Orns

(Allowing Monumental Guild to both offer pets with the guild currency for those who do enjoy monuments, but also offering pets for orns, therefore reducing bestiary clutter, for those who do not enjoy monuments)

[trail plume]

yea itll be good for the "play your way" thing too

encourage people to do monument without forcing them to if they hate it

[lethal void]

Rotating daily costs? Keeps good availability, but keeps accessibility to different currencies that players have invested in accruing

[junior crest]

Good to know, Odie. Especially for those who can't move around much IRL, having both options would be nice. Especially for folks who live in areas where it might not be safe/legal to explore their neighbourhood.

[minor salmon]

Seems like an interesting concept, worth exploring imo

[brisk sedge]

so long as I don't have to farm monuments for pets, I'm good with rotating cost/dual cost/whatever

[lusty terrace]

Isn't anguish for this purpose partially?

[lusty terrace]

Would it be easier to just include at least a single event mob in every encounter? If monuments are for events then why all the filler mobs? Why any groups without at least a single event mob?

[lethal void]

a) all events will have a differing amount of monument suitable mobs
b) that would be far too much accessibility, completely outclassing dungeons and making event content/proofs a bit too common

[placid falcon]

I am wondering if NF will consider allowing rerolling the list of item on sale daily?

I.e. reroll the list using gold like refreshing shop/grand market

[junior crest]

Would probably make more sense to use proofs to reroll instead of gold, no?

[rigid quail]

buy with gold, reroll with gold
buy with proofs, reroll with proofs

[placid falcon]

True

Reroll with proof

[compact quiver]

Let us reroll bestiary with orns

[little stag]

Is this a bug or just a weird feature? Re-entering a monument from the world icon instead of the queue uses an additional skeleton key. That seems like a bug right? Haven't seen it reported as a bug yet.

[faint acorn]

That definitely seems like q bug. Does it return the key when you leave?

[little stag]

No, i was checking the keycount in the top corner of the screen when entering the monument. ( so didnt check it in inventory when inside) .

[hollow mist]

Will the dragon event bosses be in monuments?

[compact quiver]

Yes

But you need to ofc, codex them first

[hollow mist]

Will make the monuments quite a bit harder

[compact quiver]

Definitely

I'm thinking maybe viperseal/strike II or III

Ymir will be a tough one

[dim drum]

Kinda supprised, the dungeon mob loot was not on the shop for the gnome event

[little stag]

i had only seen raid loot had been before, why would mob loot be? edit: I have been made a fool, others have had monster/boss items in monumental shop

[trail plume]

it's rng i got amadan staff today

not limited to raids

[compact quiver]

I got the staff too

[static fossil]

Any reason in particular that the flee button was removed from the battles?

I know it's been gone for awhile now, just happened to run into a force close cause I couldn't do any damage to a mob haha

[lethal void]

It’ll be back soon. It was actually not functioning correctly

[compact quiver]

I thought it was meant to add difficulty? Descision making? Somehow 🤣

Good to know it's coming back 💚

[plain pumice]

Is there a way to change Hold buttons for buying the 100x Equipements' roll buy just a One Tap button ?

Miss click this button won't ruin your Avarice proofs

Same goes for Shops, when I want to buy a lot of Materials

[worldly moon]

Pet prices seem WAY more accessible now

[static fossil]

Seems pretty cheap! Haha

[worldly moon]

Well that gory is still ~10 full monument clears but i guess that's fine?

Definitely better then what it was before hah

[blazing barn]

I'm not sure what takes longer -- 10 monument clears or build/upgrade/check/destroy on hundreds of bestiaries 😅

much more reasonable prices for sure

[static fossil]

I mean based on that price I'm pretty much set for any pet I want going forward haha

[worldly moon]

Why is there a price difference between Zaltys, Agathodaemon and the alfar mage? They are all t7 and have the same rarity

[compact quiver]

10 monuments is around 1.5hours, optimally

[blazing barn]

I have definitely spent in excess of an hour grinding bestiaries for event pets in the past.

[compact quiver]

Well, while rare I have had 2+ hours spent twice on bestiary

Monuments may take longer, but they can be done anytime and proofs can be hoarded

[lethal void]

kit size

[half island]

Cat size

[lethal void]

cat size*

[blazing barn]

kilt size 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿

[lethal void]

quilt size 🧶

[raven nacelle]

🎪 stilt size

[worldly moon]

bats rise 🦇

[little stag]

🚤 capsize

[robust sky]

So are we still gonna have the option to pick them up in bestiaries?

[worldly moon]

I guess the plan is to move them from bestiaries into the monumental guild, making them generally more accessible and maybe providing a way to pay for them with either proofs of monument or orns

[robust sky]

I still haven't seen a monument yet and I haven't had the time to go look for them, so the whole "remove them from bestiaries to make them more accessible" argument does not make a lot of sense to me. Is leaving them in going to hurt anything?

[little stag]

you haven't had time to press the scouthawk button in 3 weeks? It is one of those hold to press buttons, but dang thats rough. Getting rid of the millions of built bestiaries from the world would be great, they are a plague: on OTs, the overworld, and the servers. OT overcrowding is probably the actual biggest issue there is, cycling buildings is a terrible gameplay loop, grand market has already helped some.

[coarse jetty]

I'm not sure of NFs stance on making the game less accessible for alt play.

Pulling them out of the beastiary and forcing folks to use their alts in a monument would definitely have an impact on setting up a new alt.

My alt kingdom is already set, so I'll have a nice advantage over new people.

[little stag]

"accessible" ,"exploitable"; potatoe, po-tat-toe

[coarse jetty]

Please remember to follow rule 5 of the server.

[robust sky]

You seem like you really need some attention so I'll give it to you. No, between work, holiday preparations and being incredibly sick I haven't been able to get out at all. Monuments are also not terribly appealing to me.

Since you completely ignored my point in order to make some other point I'll ask again: What is the harm in simply leaving the current bestiary system in place alongside the planned changes? "But the servers" is a stupid reason, give me something else

[lethal void]

Yoshi did mention orns, which should make this make more sense

Full convo is a few scrolls up

[robust sky]

Ok, that still doesn't answer my question. I would accept "because I feel like it" or "I'm trying to make more people do monuments" while those answers would be lame imo, at least they'd be honest

[static fossil]

Orns is still on the table for being a purchasing option haha

[static fossil]

This

[lethal void]

The goal is to make the Monumental Guild Hall the main hub for event content. However, this should not mean that playing monuments is required

[robust sky]

Understood. Appreciate the clear communication 👍

[little stag]

You don't need to get out, just press to button to see if 5 monuments arent hiding just 5 meters past your view distance. Also i provided multiple (3) valid reasons why the current beasteary system is problematic. You just ignored two of them. Also "but the servers" is not a stuipid reason.

[coarse jetty]

Has anyone been tracking how often the followers show up in the guild?

Is it all options are available everyday type thing, or generated from whatever is available?

It's a nice feature that we don't see them if we already have it, but that does make it hard to track lol.

[little stag]

saying something is exploitable for an unbalanced advantage is no way implies cheating. Alt play exploits many of the game mechanics that were intended for human party play. The latest changes (WV costs, non shareable buildings, etc.) are all indicitive of a fight against the issue. Please do not project assumptions onto others. Additionally it was talking about a stance on a future update, man i wish i could predict if someone will cheat in the future as you seem to imply i have!

[robust sky]

Wow that's crazy. Can you teach me how to change my class next? Also how do I equip gear?

[lethal void]

Folks, let’s move on

[brisk sedge]

I might be beating a dead horse, but the dragon event has really put an emphasis on how not useful monuments are for engaging with event content.

Running an entire monument to see maybe 1 Ymir compared to the 5 or 6 I can get from a single dungeon (that also takes less time, and CDs in 2 hours as opposed to 24) feels really bad

in the current iteration, I really can't see ever choosing to run a monument after guild level 18 when I have any other alternative gameplay option available

[open wyvern]

thats why it always made more sense to me if monuments had event mobs from events that aren't ongoing. Dungeons are just so much better to engage with event content for the vast majority of events that I can think of

[little stag]

monuments work much better for monsters, not bosses, they would be a godsend during october event. they felt pretty decny only when 2-3 of the events had monsters at the same time.

[lethal void]

they'll definitely vary throughout the year, depending on how many non-boss monsters are active. most events will have mobs added throughout 2024

if there are more effective methods for you at the time, i'd recommend playing them. Monuments aren't here to completely outclass dungeons

re: other event mobs:

Why have events then?

[open wyvern]

I dont think drip feeding a small number of non-current event mobs would make events entirely obselete. If for instance 80% of the event mobs are event mobs beloning to current event and the other 20% are from other events. There are also other possibilities like having a different event schedule for monuments than for the other content, but not sure if that would be confusing for players. Or perhaps making specific door sequence combinations that give access to a secret floor that has several mobs of non-current event mobs. That would also incentivize puzzlers I think.

[brisk sedge]

I'm certainly not expecting monuments to completely outclass dungeons, but right now they aren't even in the same stratosphere.

Compared to boss dungeons, monuments are:

• significantly rarer
• not accessible through wayvessels
• have a cooldown that is 11.5x longer (2 hours versus 23)
• take 3(ish) times longer to complete
• have fewer event mobs than a single dungeon

I don't expect to kill 40 Ymirs in a single monument. But having it be at least on par with a single dungeon doesn't seem at all unreasonable. And if the goal is for a true alternative, I think there is an argument that 2x the spawns of a single dungeon is within reason as well.

[lethal void]

event mobs are indeed weighted higher in monuments than dungeons, ymmv with what actually pops in, but statistically speaking, you are likely to see more monsters (Ymir is a boss, so not the best example)

monuments in the world have comparable rarity to dungeons. albeit, wayvessel networking may make it feel like less

cooldowns are definitely something i'm torn on, and may get shorter

[little stag]

at least in crowded areas there are always 2-3 times more dungeons than monuments

[plain pumice]

Is there a way that Anguish could boost Monument's proofs ?
For the moment, Monuments' only purpose is to increase the guild level.

Event are better in Dungeons / World

[minor salmon]

Wayvessels aside, the monument to dungeon world ratio doesn't feel similar.
Don't exactly have a large enough amount of data for comparison's sake, but I feel like during my commutes I used to see about 10ish monuments but easily 30+ dungeons

Again, hard to compare since monuments shuffle locations and dungeons do not

[little stag]

Also does anyone else think monuments give too much exp at the lowest tiers? i took an lowbie char in one , suddenly they gained 2 tiers and are soooo undergeared

[brisk sedge]

To the first point, even if non-boss monsters are more heavily weighted, there are 3(?) events I can think of where that is beneficial, with most other events preferring bosses (or raids). It would make far more sense to have the full event weighted so that bosses are prioritized in the same way, and that monuments usefulness isn't directly linked to the mob type that event brings.

Second point, if the goal is for monuments to be comparable to dungeon rarity, then there is a serious bug. There is absolutely no way they are as common with the spawn rates seen the past three weeks.

[minor salmon]

I do have a 15 minute video recording my commute. maybe I'll count dungeons VS monuments.

Dungeons: 52

Monuments: 10

Towers: 5

Might be a few dungeons off, either up or down, but shouldn't be more than three either way. Monuments I am sure I am right, same as towers, since I individually tapped them on the video

but the dungeons is hard to get a count of, moreso when constantly rotating the camera

again, this doesn't particularly determine anything

[lethal void]

there are 3(?) events I can think of where that is beneficial, with most other events preferring bosses (or raids)

per message above, we'll see that change in 2024

i can take a look at spawns to verify density

[minor salmon]

not nearly enough data, not nearly enough area explored, and the monuments shuffle around daily, etc..

[lethal void]

yup, i can verify with data

[lethal void]

exp earned from which? floors? mobs?

[little stag]

floors, at times it was 5 levels for the floor bonus, and it would not even level you up until you killed the next mob, im guessing since too much exp.

[lethal void]

will check it out

[deep oak]

For gear rolling in monuments, is all gear supposed to show up within these 3 days? I haven't seen some of the a.quetz gear I was interested in

[little stag]

nope

[worldly moon]

Usually events are longer then three days

[little stag]

I still haven't had either of the 2 scruug things i want after 3 weeks..nothing is guaranteed

[desert jackal]

Same here, no arisen jolly stockings yet

But I had an item I already rolled for re appear when you can't buy that stuff

[compact quiver]

Still don't like that tbh, but it's understandable because people with alot of avarice proof can exploit that

[placid falcon]

#💡│suggestions message

created

[trail plume]

yea itll be yet another benefit to encourage people to do monument

[compact quiver]

That's 2 rerolls from 1 monument, most of the time, not bad

[worldly moon]

available with the 3.9.7 update

Hope we can get some numbers on how many items are needed for max karma, cause that would be very hard to test

Or atleast im not seeing a guild karma bar yet

[open wyvern]

I mean we never got the numbers for augment recombination soo

[blazing barn]

Monument guild is the kitchen sink of guilds 😅 So many different ideas going on.
I don't mind it but it's gonna take me a minute to remember it all reliably.

[little stag]

The update live yet? and what does the monument minimap look like now!?

[worldly moon]

I didnt mean numbers for ornate rolls which I'm guessing are just 1/200. I meant numbers on how many items we have to forfeit to max karma

[worldly moon]

I'll tell you in a second

Unchanged i guess

[little stag]

;/ "next update" was suppose to change it

[open wyvern]

Why would it be the same ornate chance?

[worldly moon]

Unrelated but this feel so nice

[open wyvern]

Ah in the same way 100%ing raids improves your drops even though the data shows it doesnt

[worldly moon]

we need odie to release a book of numbers

The orna bible

[little stag]

oh wow 3.9.7 is already indexed/mirrored for android

[trail plume]

oh rip hopefully the next next update add it then

[little stag]

Events are now Raids in map options, what else was in that filter? nothing anymore i guess since mnemonics got moved to items? weird capitalization though

[trail plume]

can confirm its unchanged 😔

hey yoshi do you know if karma shows value for you?

i forfeited 17 presents! and it didnt show anything

[little stag]

i don't see a value either, im worried that this just encourages squirreling away things until there is an event you want to roll during

[worldly moon]

But you need things from the current event

Atleast thats how i understand it😅

[trail plume]

i cant spell on my mobile

anyway thats why i used presents! instead of some random standard FSS

[silver glade]

I used dusk items as well and karma number didn’t show up

[trail plume]

if odie see this we can ask if it is a bug or it just doesnt show number

also the event mob on monument map thing too

not sure if intentional or bug

[silver glade]

Maybe karma is meant to just start working in January since December events are more mixed

[trail plume]

oh true

[half island]

Oh we making it more easier?

[trail plume]

have to be items from the current event so you cant just save up

have to grind either way

[half island]

Oh good

[forest wave]

can save from the last run of the current event, or at least it's what I'm doing with standard quality gear from this month.

[trail plume]

I mean you can save it but why would you save and not use it during that run though if you're after an item

[forest wave]

because I already have enough proofs for a year stocked up from hoarding + dagda + wyrmhunt.

[trail plume]

oh it isn't about proof it is about the new guild karma thing

it's in the newest version

can't just forfeit dadga stuff for guild karma unless balor invades again

[forest wave]

aye, but you can do that with every event by waiting ~6 months for the reruns. No point stockpiling proofs rather than keeping the items for next time because karma is to be a thing, unless there's no cap to the bonus which I highly doubt.

[desert jackal]

Won't this just be great for crimson festival and riftfall?

Since we get some crafting mats

I mean, I'm still on the hunt for riftrogue pants

Not everyone is after rift distortion

[worldly moon]

Green background

[sweet agate]

time to speed run boiis

[trail plume]

hell yeah thanks odie

time to cut my monument clear time in half

[lethal void]

yw

[compact quiver]

Does the green glow account for event mobs that are not in the front?

[trail plume]

let me test i have a monument queued up

[compact quiver]

I'm gonna test too, instead of just asking 🤣

Someone was faster than me

[compact quiver]

It does highlight, even if the event monster isn't the leader

[trail plume]

ok perfect

[compact quiver]

Yep ^^ again, thanks a lot odie

[little stag]

Karma counter seems to be functional now, would be even nicer now if there were more filtering options in the Forfeit menu though, or at least in the normal inventory to help sort things

[worldly moon]

Ah visible counter so i guess tracking forfeited items till max will be easy

, right?

[little stag]

who says there is a max for the counter! probably a log line with a limit, tin of holiday cookies for whomever figures it out.

[desert jackal]

It does go above 100

[dim drum]

does that mean that packs that don,t glow green contain no event mobs inside of that pack?

[worldly moon]

Yes

[dim drum]

I kinda love this, but it sounds painfull if you work to build your karma up and then the item you want only showed up on the store at the start of the month and did not show up again, is raising the karma slowly take less items then making 1 massive dump?

[dim drum]

Praise Odie!

Man that was one of my biggest gripe with monuments, that even if you had a map you still had to check every packs

[trail plume]

i think it is based on the amount of item from current event you throw in?

[dim drum]

It just realised so will have to wait and see, but I am curious on how it will go, because while this is big, we are still tied to RNG for when items are on the store

also, inactivity, global not playing the game, or specific to monuments, of not forfeiting items regularly?

[hollow tusk]

Guild Karma appears to be a flat +1 on forfeit, regardless of quality or amount of items forfeited no it doesn't

[desert jackal]

Then it must cap at 120, since I forfeit 200+ items

[worldly moon]

I just forfeited a stack of 22 items and it went up by 1

I'll make a bug report later

[desert jackal]

Idk if it's a bug after the latest update but no items in my guild shop changed on reset right now. Only materials changed

I find it very unlikely for everything to have rolled again for a 2nd day in a row

[desert jackal]

Hmmmm

I didn't select 120 stacks though?

[silver glade]

One of my stacks had 170 items though

And I dismantled a few more as well

So it doesn’t seem to be 1 to 1

[desert jackal]

I had 2 stacks of 100+ items 🤔

Ring of dusk and duskbreaker bow

[silver glade]

Maybe stacks are behaving as 1 item?

[hollow tusk]

Yup they do

[jovial prawn]

I didn't check mine too start but was at 500+ after doing a bunch of scruug stuff

[desert jackal]

But I selected like 12-20 stacks

So it still doesn't make sense 😅

[desert jackal]

Also anyone who lives in Asia or Australia notice this happen to themselves as well?

[jovial prawn]

Pretty sure I got one per item not one per stack

[desert jackal]

Since I find it seriously unlikely

[hollow tusk]

Ok, I dropped exactly 49 items into forfeit and got 20 karma

[jovial prawn]

53 items for 27 karma, might depend on item worth similar to avarice?

[hollow tusk]

16 items, 128 avarice, 7 karma

1 ornate helm, 32 avarice, 2 karma

ceil(avarice_proofs/20)?

[jovial prawn]

Yup, matches what I got

[cedar wagon]

I have 3.9.7 on iOS but I don’t see that

@lethal void I have the 3.9.7 update for iOS but I don’t see the guild khrama that you hi was talking about

[lethal void]

Hmm…I definitely see it. You’re on the same screen as above?

[cedar wagon]

Yes,,,attached screenshots

@lethal void wouldn’t be the first time iOS and update didn’t click

[bright rune]

Doesn't it say Guild Karma on your first screenshot in the Guild Hall tab? Right underneath 'Next Level'

[cedar wagon]

Nope

Wait……frak….

I see it now…@lethal void sorry for the blindness…distracted waiting for daughter traveling in bad weather to get home

[cedar wagon]

Thanks for helping the clueless noob

[bright rune]

All good! Happy to help out.

[cedar wagon]

Now, what specifically gains karma? Raids, guild raids, monument monsters?

[bright rune]

Forfeiting items

[cedar wagon]

So more you forfeit? Ok what about monsters in monuments…last run, only 9 of 20 had monument xp monsters 😦

[lethal void]

🙂

[plain pumice]

One item roll list

Does 0 item roll list exist ?

[lusty terrace]

I currently have that.

I had some this morning but when I checked 12 hours later it was 0.

[dim drum]

lets of peopel reporting empty shops

[summer snow]

Also have empty shop.

[open wyvern]

yes, because each item has an individual chance to show up

[desert jackal]

Does monumental guild shop reroll items at the time shown at the bottom or at 0:00 UTC?

[open wyvern]

It rerolls at your local midnight time

[desert jackal]

Okay, so it was just bugged yesterday and fixed now

[open wyvern]

But if the event changes, the items from the new event immediately show up

For instance Im in utc+1. Shop rerolls at 00:00 my local time but if wyrmhunt shows at 1:00 my time up I can already buy wyrmhunt items right away without having to wait until 00:00 the next day

[lusty terrace]

Actually, it's rolled past midnight my time and my monument shop still shows the same as that pic above. 😦 It's now 04:41am. And I have 0 things to roll on.

[trail plume]

yea sometimes it can roll 0 item which is a real bummer

[cedar wagon]

Empty shop…I bet it has something to do with the new karma system 😦

I don’t think this many people having empty shops was expected

[trail plume]

idk if it is the rate or just finesse not having a lot of items since it is one raid vs an entire event in the past

[desert jackal]

New guild shop update

This is why I thought it was bugged yesterday

[trail plume]

ah

[open wyvern]

ah rip

[trail plume]

rip 4 rolls on every time zone but 0 UTC

[open wyvern]

bfuf utc 0 of nefr other timezones

[desert jackal]

That's more for the western part of the world me thinks 🤔

UTC midnight is 5:30AM for me

Though, that meant I was able to roll 1 time extra per event

Since event start automatically rolled some stuff from the event, and I had 5 hours before event change to roll an extra time

[silver glade]

cries in UTC 0

[little stag]

why cry? its now fair for you. others don't have an advantage over you now..

[dim drum]

only 1 item in my shop today :D

so i join the club

[silver glade]

Misinterpreted the post, my bad 😅

[cedar wagon]

Ok, so the monument guild shop will reset in about 60 minutes from now?

Ok, what will be the donations for next month?

And has anyone gotten their karma over 100 already?

[silver glade]

3rd day in a row of having only 1 item available in the monumental guild. Is anyone else experiencing this?

[placid falcon]

Bruh

Now my monument guild is flooded with event pets in this entire month

[cedar wagon]

It might be tied to your karma…when I got mine up to 83 I got 6 items

[silver glade]

I’m at 400 karma 😅

[cedar wagon]

Ugh. I thought my luck was bad

[forest wave]

over 900 karma and only one item for sale. I've had very few items for sale the last 3 days.

[lusty terrace]

It would be nice if Karma ALSO added items for sale!

[candid egret]

What's karma

[desert jackal]

Reduces chance of rolls below standard

So technically increases chance of rolling ornates

1000 karma is cap

[lusty terrace]

Read the game update? #game-announcements message

[desert jackal]

And apparently at 1000 karma you don't get any poors or brokens

[candid egret]

Oh rly

Is that number visible somewhere ?

Am i able to leave this floor and come back for the statue later ?

[trail plume]

it is visible in the guild menu

[trail plume]

nah pretty sure you have to leave before the final boss fight

[candid egret]

Yup

Got screwed went to update and lost itb

I'm at 412

[compact quiver]

Oh so it's technically increased chances huh

How long until karma.. decay?

[desert jackal]

End of the month or after a week of 0 activity

[compact quiver]

Oh

Nice

Thx

What does "activity" mean? Forfeiting items? Or daily log ins?

[desert jackal]

Not sure, that wasn't clarified. But I am under the assumption it's forfeiting items

Not sure whether current event items only matter or not

[heavy blaze]

Do levels matter in guild? Does it increase the odds of getting ornate items when rerolling? Can you get ornates at level 1?

[compact quiver]

Yes you can get ornates at level 1

Only this guild level effects is the amount of stuff you're able to buy

[dim drum]

my guild shop is the same as yesterday, wierd

aka 2 items

[cedar wagon]

Resets in just under 6 hours

[dim drum]

thanks for the heads up

oh wait that is just the regular reset

shops are no longer tied to player's midnight?

[desert jackal]

Yeah

Since we non UTC enjoyers were getting an extra roll in the guild shop

[cedar wagon]

No, game utc reset time now

[hardy vigil]

Yeah, I've had exactly 1 actual item in the monument shop for the last 4 days. I haven't done anything with Karma until tonight. We'll see whether it is resolved on the next reroll now that I've got karma up.

[mellow tree]

Is there any difference between these alfar followers? I have a bunch of duplicates it seems like.

[desert jackal]

25 days have past and I somehow still have not had arisen jolly stockings appear in my guild shop

[little stag]

same...

[desert jackal]

My karma is unmatched

[trail plume]

wait till someone shows up with 69 karma

[desert jackal]

I've dun did it and reached karma cap now

[cedar wagon]

What is the cap on karma?

[desert jackal]

1000

[cedar wagon]

I’ll save my stuff for next month then so I can start at 1000 at the month

[desert jackal]

Idk what it does cus it sure as hell doesn't guarantee ornates

[cedar wagon]

I wonder if it’s broken as well

[desert jackal]

Karma only increases from active event items

[desert jackal]

It definitely stops you from getting poors and brokens

[cedar wagon]

Dam…what is next months stuff?

[desert jackal]

Phoenix, a ton of items from mobs so reaching cap should be easy

[desert jackal]

But this seems to happen at much lower karma value

[compact quiver]

They did say "more information on in-game things" at dev announcements

So let's hope we get some info on how karma works

[vestal wolf]

Have you tapped on the ? icon near it?

[compact quiver]

I have :p

I mean, how it effect monument pulls* should've been clear

[vestal wolf]

Most likely, as has been mentioned above, it's like hard mode, no browns,

[desert jackal]

Yeah, but no browns is very early on

In OL it was reported no browns at like 480 karma

What does 1000 karma do?

[compact quiver]

This ☝️

[vestal wolf]

Testing is the fun part

[little stag]

wait if it resets every month, so if you're lucky to get the item you want in the shop at the start of the month, then you're actually pretty unlucky

[compact quiver]

Oh god, new fear unlocked

[vestal wolf]

I truly don't understand why it's "fear" when none of the items are unique or otherwise unobtainable. Doing raids is still the most sure way of getting required items + mats

[compact quiver]

Just a me thing :v

[dim drum]

What is the max guild karma? I am at 420

[silver glade]

1000

[elfin radish]

Happy holidays! What does the Shrine of Ithra does from Monument? Is it a temporary status or permanent. What fights does the status apply?

[compact quiver]

Monument Shrines:

Shrine of Ithra: Statuses easier to apply, +??? max status damage
Shrine of Thor: +10% crit chance, +5% crit damage
Shrine of Vulcan: Increase Attack and Magic by 10%```

[elfin radish]

Do they apply permanently?

When do they apply, when not?

[rigid quail]

when you click on the shrine at the end of the monuments, till the timer on the buff expire

[elfin radish]

Oh

Thank you, Brye

[thick locust]

After a few weeks of playing with monuments i think i can update and summarize why i have issue with this guild: it's a haphazardly mismatch of things and very few of them are tailored to add value to the existing event playstyle.

A comparison with others guilds.
Fish. Do you like fishing? Here some more rewards if you fish.
Anguish. Do you like hunting bosses? Here some more rewards if you do so.
Travel. You walk? Great, have prizes.
Oracle. You Hunt for Memories? Now you can do It Better (and get those rewards!)
Titan. You're doing towers, right? Why don't you get few more things if you keep playing them?
Spelunking. We launched a new feature! Would you like some more rewards for playing It?
Finesse. You aren't getting any addes value if you pvp a lot, but now live pvp kinda work. Please take rewards for idle time with mobs.

Then there's Monumental guild. Do you like playing events? Oh, nice! But you are getting no additional rewards for playing them specifically. Except maybe some more Rolls on items if you get the chance. And maybe this'll be the only spot to get pets & spells.
Do you unlock those things by playing events?
But of course no, you silly! To unlock the event content hub you have to grind a totally unrelated and awfully boring tower-like GPS feature!

So, that's why i now realize my issues with Monumental guild. It's concept Is fundamentally different from the other guilds. It's not here to add value to an existing playstile. It has clearly other means.

That's ok, i Just have to let this sink. Just a simple matter of failed expectations.

[half island]

I agree. But I think for very new players the idea of horde dungeons maybe too hard so a gentle tower is easier to get more event mob

[teal egret]

My issue with monumental guild is the massive variability amongst events. We had balor invades and olympia and you could get 70+ tokens per tower. Then you have these other events like the wyrm hunt where you get maybe 10-15 tokens. The prices don't change between events though. Some events are just strictly better than others.

I'd advocate for less variance ie, more consistency. A full clear should net you X amount of tokens, +/- some %

[teal egret]

The green background could also use some consideration. On green tiles it's really hard to see and 1/12 men are color deficient with most of those having trouble seeing green.

[lusty terrace]

I do wish that some of the event pets used proofs of felling.

[true ocean]

Not sure what the point of monuments are when 1% of the mobs give you tokens. At this point, in my opinion, they are a waste of time and a poor cousin to towers. Seems like an infatuation with a game play mode that should have been limited to towers.

[cosmic yarrow]

At least in T3, Monuments aren't Horde fights.
They're more akin to a Dungeon with more floors and options for fights.

dunno what tier that changes

[latent sun]

increase the QoL #💡│suggestions message

[desert jackal]

There really needs to be a non rng way for items to appear in guild shop. The entire month has past and I haven't seen arisen jolly stockings in the guild shop even 1 time

At this rate the problem won't be my luck for draws but my luck for items appearing to get a spiked greatshield in riftfall

[placid falcon]

My Suggestion is meant to mitigate bad rng

#💡│suggestions message

i am fine with not using proof and using gold to reroll

[desert jackal]

I really wish this is implemented, last day of the year and as expected no arisen jolly stocking 😢

[compact quiver]

Yea same :/

Also removing already 100 rolled items from the pool

[hardy vigil]

I was a bit frustrated with the number of days I rolled only one purchase-able item. I think that will be resolved when events last longer than 3 days each.

[cedar wagon]

All@month, looking for arisen jolly shoes, nope..not once..

[compact quiver]

I've seen jolly stocks twice

Which is still better then some other players :p

[desert jackal]

I've seen arisen caroling lute 4 times

[minor salmon]

The item you want not showing up the whole month goes to show that the guild is very much not a replacement for grinding the items in the regular way, I suppose

[trail plume]

didnt odie say it is stastically guaranteed to show at least once in the month at the start here

but multiple people here alone didnt see things they were going for

not sure which one is the intended behavior

[open wyvern]

idk what statistically guaranteed even means

[willow dew]

Hard to make a guarantee out of a probability

[cosmic yarrow]

It just means that the chance of it not happening is very very small.
It could still happen, but its very unlikely. Something something p-value something t-value something.

[silver glade]

The issue with statistical significance is exactly that. Large enough number of subjects and some are bound to be the outliers

[normal robin]

Wasn't really sure where to post this.a simple request.stranger gifts from Christmas event.please add a open 10. At least.some of us have like 8,ooo or more of um please please

[coarse jetty]

2 roosts and a monument. Decent avarice points.

|| WTB select all||

[tulip briar]

Extremely generous price. Delightfully appreciated.

[coarse jetty]

Here's the other dude.

[compact quiver]

One's a mage one's a warrior -,-

[minor salmon]

Day 3 of not getting summons in shop 😩

[compact quiver]

Oh crap, I totally forgot 💀

[heavy blaze]

I got both

[normal robin]

Bought both my summons in guild shop day 1

Don't forget the anarchists shop

And for the arisen jolly stockings i seen um one time in guild bought 100 got 1 ledgendary

[compact quiver]

Same :(

[hardy vigil]

I bought both summons in arcanists already for just gold.

[vestal wolf]

It's the asap moment + at your OT, arcanists need to be found in the world or asked for in a group. An interesting trend to watch, btw.

[coarse jetty]

3 dungeons, 3 pages of gear to forfeit.

[teal egret]

Boss horde seems to be pretty good, especially ymirs

[dim drum]

spent 120 fallen fire for 4 time the buff and only got 1 hour, is that normal?

[worldly moon]

Sounds like a bug

[dim drum]

i am not mad, the currency is only usefull for that single use, but still disapointing

[worldly moon]

https://discord.com/channels/448527960056791051/1192849676739805375

[dim drum]

thank you for doing the recording

should i build it once per hour or buy multiple but 1 at a time?

[main rampart]

Is there any stance on adding event adorns to the guild shop rotation?

[sweet agate]

is there a limit to karma ?

[compact quiver]

1k

Nothing crazy this month, so unless you want fallen sky stuff

It's kind of a waste to max karma

[sweet agate]

I do want fallen sky stuff, quez has been pesky with me. Need the mag boots and the damage head.

phoenix stuff has been good canon fodder for my expected fallen item

now I need RNG to actually show me the items

[minor salmon]

it's also a waste not to, considering how the phoenix monsters drop gear out the whazoo

[compact quiver]

I'm sorry?

[minor salmon]

the phoenix event monsters drop SO much loot

it's so easy to get it to 1000 karma

I've barely done 15 roosts this month and I'm already maxed from just turning in normal qualities

[compact quiver]

Ah true

Also need to consistently forfeit, otherwise that karma will go poof

Instantly

[sweet agate]

why ? karma go down as you buy items ? or with time ?

[desert jackal]

1 week of 0 activity iirc

[compact quiver]

Not even slightly down overtime

It's straight to 0

[sweet agate]

well, not forfeiting an item over a full week looks a bit random. Even I who don't farm that much I can do that.

[desert jackal]

It's more of just remembering you need to do it than anything

[compact quiver]

Yes

Also another thing added to something to remember :v

[sweet agate]

I forfeit everything as soon as I finish my dungeons tour, just so my inventory just don't become a mess again too soon

[compact quiver]

I junk standard, and dismantle other

Drop any useless accessories

Because silk/p.drac are moderately rare

[mellow tree]

Feels like this guild has more moving parts than are necessary. Karma is almost a 4th currency, and it works differently than the others

[dim drum]

agreed

not a fan that the guild exp is only tied to monument, not even monuments, monument event mobs only

so, at best it feels like half the monument is useless, does not give event mobs nor guild exp

just dead packs

[hardy vigil]

I've noticed lately that I've been getting proofs of monument on completion of regular dungeons. It isn't much, but it at least means the guild content isn't exclusively build around monuments.

[worldly moon]

Yep i guess there's a drop chance on any event mobs now

[candid egret]

Nice

[little stag]

yah i just got from overworld boss

also in monument got (2) pretty often when there was just 1 event mob

[candid egret]

Now we need guild exp too

[minor salmon]

When running your faction's monument, the proof drop amount is floored at 2 if there's at least one event monster

[little stag]

huh, hadnt noticed that before today then i guess, thanks

[compact quiver]

It also seems like faction monuments give, on average more mobs, but that might just be placebo 🤷

[candid egret]

https://tenor.com/view/it-makes-perfect-sense-gregory-dillard-the-outlaws-totally-makes-sense-reasonable-gif-25274903

[little stag]

man i wish we could trade some of ours in even at a 10% rate.. all those exp potions and dowsing rods, set for life on monument proofs.

[candid egret]

I think I'm feeling this gameplay loop ngl

Do event dungeons/monuments for Amity access cheap

Saves towers for classes and waifu

[trail plume]

towers also for mats too

doing tower just give so many random mats + DM / scrolls sometimes

[mighty bone]

Classes and what?

[trail plume]

oceanus is my favorite waifu

[candid egret]

The Replica Waifu Selene

https://tenor.com/view/oceanfalls-selene-gif-1543798585209978076

[compact quiver]

Themis foreva

[dim drum]

no guild exp, but still massively nice

i am fine with that

[spiral pewter]

what event drops can show up in the monument guild? is it any event drop, like the Beithir's staff for example, or only ones from raid bosses?

[minor salmon]

any drop from any event thing, excluding adorns and special raids

like Rift Judgement, Pumpkinless and Jormungandr

[spiral pewter]

copy that thank you. I appreciate it.

[sweet agate]

here goes our dream of any pumpkinless drop

[spiral pewter]

gotta grind out pumpkinless drops for my alt by hand

[sweet agate]

pumpkinless is too much pain to farm. I'll just wait for the next BiS swash items.

or maybe do it via monuments if it works well in term of spawns. We'll see in due time what encounters Odie will give us.

[vocal cosmos]

I've been using a Great Pegasus, works ok

[spiral pewter]

doesn't the Fomoria event coming up give armor that grants immunity to confuse? should make him cake

[vocal cosmos]

Aglovale
Arisen Cursed Atepomarus Mail
Arisen Cursed Ogmios' Satin Robe
Atepomarus Mail
Cursed Atepomarus Mail
Cursed Ogmios' Satin Robe
Ogmios' Satin Robe

[sweet agate]

no I mean farming the scrolls.

I hated it

[vocal cosmos]

So for some classes, yes

[spiral pewter]

ooooooooooo true. that sucked butt

[vocal cosmos]

Ohh, I farmed lots just riding around in the car with spawn boosters out the yazoo

Everytime someone was going to the store, I was ridin!

[sweet agate]

don't start me on the car/bus gameplay, I could explode and get banned.

[vocal cosmos]

Yeah same way I feel about refinery dragging. It's near impossible for me but way easy for urban/suburban players

Whereas anything travel related is my jam cause if I go anywhere it's 20 minutes at the least in a vehicle

[minor salmon]

daily bus commute to work/uni gang

[sweet agate]

I work from home and move with bike (or I drive myself when going to my parents). So basically, I'm fckd for pumpkinless unless I farm it all day during the full month. That's why I gave up and will find something else to swash, even tho it's by farm the best option unfortunately for me.

[static fossil]

Monuments should help a little with that

[sweet agate]

Yes, I'll see by then. But it doesn't help that halloween event never come as a mini event. Long way to go.

[plain pumice]

I don't like the new sorting of Forfeit items, before it was sorted in item types, I could spam select, now I have to be careful for what I'm forfeiting

JoC are mixed with garbage low tier items, it takes more time

[worldly moon]

Oh forfeiting gives guild exp

Edit: this is wrong

[plain pumice]

so Monument are only interesting for Shrines now

you can rush it without missing too much depending of the event

[desert jackal]

It's still the fastest way to farm proofs so yeah

Depends on event monumental guild shop

[plain pumice]

I farm proofs in dungeons

Doesn't have to think, once setup done : spam one ability

refresh every 2 hours

multiplied by the number of dungeons

[desert jackal]

Hmm

[sweet agate]

Getting proofs from dungeons is just not right. Imagine not farming dungeons when you can get proofs of monument and proofs of anguish at the same time.

[candid egret]

But events happen in dungeons atm

Event bosses

It's still part of the event

[sweet agate]

well yes, it just doesn't feel like you're playing the guild I guess. Not saying this should be removed, just I don't like it that way. I would have preferred if proofs remained in monument, giving them a real purpose.

[candid egret]

I respectfully disagree;

Monuments are literally reskinned towers for lowbies.

Starting as ☆11 when they were released I was rather unimpressed at the idea of doing a worse designed and less fun tower.

I see monuments as baby tower practice for players under ☆8, or for players that lack access to event dungeons in a pinch.

[tribal plank]

I do enjoy monuments as a strange mix of dungeon running and world farming

However, I don't think these proofs being an uncommon drop from event mobs outside of monuments hurts them in any way

[tribal plank]

You can actually get proofs of anguish from monuments ¯_(ツ)_/¯

And outside of Wyrmhunt, T10 event bosses are pretty rare

[sweet agate]

there's also the fact that monument guild was marketed as GPS content

[tribal plank]

Monuments are GPS content. The monument guild is very much not

[sweet agate]

which is still in a sense but will be more practical to do from regular dungeons

[tribal plank]

The guild deals with proofs of monument, proofs of avarice, and proofs of felling.

Avarice and Felling are irrelevant to GPS. Monument proofs are still most grindable through GPS play, but are also slightly grindable through dungeons. Guild EXP is still entirely dependant on monuments in the world.

[candid egret]

Some events aren't in normies though 😕

[sweet agate]

#1179474720383582209 message
considering that you get xp from forfeiting, you could play monument guild entirely with touching a single monument.

[tribal plank]

Ah, that's brand new

Ok then, I guess Odie does want players to not need to interact with monuments 🤷‍♂️

[candid egret]

Neat

[sweet agate]

yes, that must be the last good thing about monument. It will be a welcome help to events like Halloween and fomorian path for people who can't farm wold from a car.

[candid egret]

Halloween will be monumental

Those suck so much to farm

[little stag]

monuments are amazing for lower tiers, not everything has to be for t11

[sweet agate]

can be cool to farm fomorian pletora of bosses. Hope we get a good number of them in monuments.

[candid egret]

So like i didn't get gxp for forfeiting

Wut da heck, did I misread or misunderstood?

[lethal void]

The Monumental Guild is the event guild, monuments themselves should supplement event mob access for low/mid tier, but were not designed to be the only way to interface with the event guild

[sweet agate]

blame yoshi for speading false info

[worldly moon]

oh yeah you might be right. I think what happened is that i did 3 monuments then forfeited 5k proofs of avarice and afterwards went into the guild hall

And then it must've given me the level ups

[brisk sedge]

It would be nice if they supplemented for high tier as well. Would be a nice change of pace to reliably kill Ymir somewhere other than normals/roost

[candid egret]

World

[brisk sedge]

Even with the current shrine purchasable using event drops, there isn't a reason to run a monument if a normal dungeon/roost is available

[half island]

Rename monument guild?

[lethal void]

Well, technically they can. If you have a monument, and not dungeons, that’s a supplement 🙂

[candid egret]

GXP, at least initially

[half island]

No just forfeit

[brisk sedge]

I feel like a broken record, but that would mean they need a significant shorter CD and to be much more common than they currently are.

Sure, technically the 1 monument I have nearby that I can run once a day is a supplement. But it is worth maybe 1 Ymir? Would be nice to feel like there is an actual reason to make the walk to it

[half island]

But why? It's not for you

[brisk sedge]

I really hate that argument

it has nothing to do with improving monuments, and is the laziest way to shut down any and all discussion

[candid egret]

If you want the loot enough you'll make the effort I guess

[brisk sedge]

no reason high tiers can't get some form of meaningful use out of the brand new content and brand new guild

[lethal void]

Cooldowns are definitely a common point of suggestion

[candid egret]

Can monuments get concord cooldown consideration?

[lethal void]

I agree with the argument. We’re at a place where we can’t possibly design every piece of content for every single player. So some stuff just isn’t going to suit your playstyle and goals.

It’s not about shutting down conversation, it’s just a reality

[sweet agate]

maybe more than cooldown, a max number of time you can enter a monument per day. Like you can do a monument 3 times a day, but you can do it in a row or spread across the day. This way you've more access to it without it being overly farmable

[half island]

Maybe people disappointed because they were not marketed correctly before release?

[brisk sedge]

Which I definitely get. I just don't think this is a thing about redesigning them.

Shortening the cooldown and bumping up boss priority immediately makes them worth running

the design, movement, guild, everything feels designed well. I like running towers, and I would like running monuments. There is just nothing in them currently worth the time, which feels like a waste. This isn't even a a super endgame approach. Anybody in T10/T11 looking to progress is better off spending their time like anywhere else, because the mobs themselves in monuments just aren't worth it

edit: bumping up the mat rewards from proof of monuments could help, but now that they drop from dungeons that probably isn't the way to go

[lethal void]

Yup, and given the feedback, cooldowns will likely see adjustment.

Boss density may harm non-Wyrmhunt events, so unsure about that one

[brisk sedge]

is event specific weighting out of the question?

or just something like 1 pack per floor is a guaranteed boss?

[willow dew]

Notable that 2 hour boss dungeon cooldowns is a special case for endgame players. Lower tier players have 12 hour cooldowns and likely would rely on both dungeons and monuments if they are both available.

[rigid quail]

i agree, but lowbies is wild

on a sidenote, does monument falls into passive/semi-passive guild? if so, then getting proofs from normal dungeons would make sense to me

[willow dew]

According to the build menu, it's balanced - not sure if that is the same as semi-passive, but the tooltip says both active and passive content.

[rigid quail]

oh, balance should mean both 👍 (its what i meant, i just dont know the term for it 😅)
thanks for clarifying

[placid falcon]

Hope we can see the roadmap for improving monument and other contents soon

[trail plume]

yea the game is in dire need of more GPS content that's good / optimal even

so many of the best current farming methods are either accessible using wayvessel (eg anguish boss horde on a 20 dungeons wayvessel, fishing near a river / sea) or you have to sit at home to do it (semi orns endless takes 20-30 minutes depending on lag, filling up refineries at your home)

I hope GPS related content get improved it's orna the GPS rpg not orna the couching rpg

[silver glade]

We got towers, monuments and the traveller’s guild recently, it’s not like NF hasn’t been working on gps content

[trail plume]

yea I can see they're trying to add some but they do still need improvement

tower is pretty decent now at least compared to on release

[half island]

I don't view towers as real GPS content

[trail plume]

it was when you're new but once you get a 50f tower at home but by the time you finish grinding it at home you probably won't go outside to grab another

[half island]

You pick up a tower GPS style but the actual tower is the opposite

40min platform game basically

It's like calling Goldeneye a GPS game because I have to go a rent it from blockbuster and then play at home

[sweet agate]

and considering you can build your how tower at home, not really a GPS thing either. Only real GPS content is the traveler's guild, at least half of it.

[half island]

Yeh

[silver glade]

You can’t build a F50 one at home before farming the GPS ones first though

[trail plume]

you can, it doesnt take a lot of shards for F50 (only 115k shards which is even cheaper than a weapon lmao), majority of the block is from orns, which you do endless at home or at a WV

[silver glade]

I’m not saying there shouldn’t be more GPS content, I definitely understand that sentiment, I just don’t think it’s fair to say the game is mostly wv exclusive after the new content we got last year

Travellers trials also got recently changed, making investing into that guild worth it again

[trail plume]

i dont think the change make it worth still?

[silver glade]

I ran a couple of t10 trials and got ~100 proofs per trial. Pretty good rate imo. I still don’t like that they’re heavily PoD gated and would like to see PoDs back in trials or at least an alternative way to get more of them

They’re probably more worth it the more you invest into it, since enemies no longer scale with your manifests’ levels

[half island]

Oh really I didn't know

[trail plume]

sounds decent rate but is it better than stuff like fishing

[half island]

Anything is better than fish

[silver glade]

I guess it depends on how good your manifests are and how long a trial takes you. It’s at least on par I’d say

Fishing has pretty decent rates atm, especially with this month’s shrine

Though I’ve been having terrible luck with how long my fishing rods have been lasting

[half island]

What about when your playing Orna?

[leaden pond]

@lethal void a suggestion.
Could think about add sort by filters, not only on the monuments, monuments are the hot topic right now but it will be a huge upgrade for all other systems, inventory, blacksmith, titan alchemy etc

[plain pumice]

Funny enough it takes more time to farm Orns than Tower Shards needed for Tower Plates to complete a Tower 50

[sweet agate]

yea a complete tower is only about 100k shards, which is ridiculously cheap (half of a class). On the other hand, I don't have 1 BILLION orns for the tower.

boy do I hope we'll someday have a reliable way to make orns beside endless. I hate endless with passion, and I'm sure I'm not alone.

[vocal cosmos]

I've done hard boss forever but the amount of keys that takes is prohibitive unless you spend 85% of your time running alt boss

[lethal void]

Yes, there have been plenty of #💡│suggestions for this. No need to ping 🙂

[sweet agate]

horde boss is ok-ish now, but to get a billion orns sure would take a while.

[half island]

I got 250m in one day from straight up normal boss horde on the 2nd

Granted I wanted to die

[sweet agate]

You need a LOT of dungeons nearby also

[dim drum]

Thank you devs for making monuments none-event pack drop exp and event mobs give double (2) exp, makes the monument feel less painfull to level

Coral beast packs are now my fav pack, a dingle arrowstorm for 5 exp

can't wait for a legendary sprite pack that matches my tastes

[vocal cosmos]

Seems like the recent changes have given monuments the ole level up.

[dim drum]

hitting lvl 20 looks achivable now instead of a huge grind, still better then blade of finesse

[static fossil]

I did it in like a week 😅

[dim drum]

same with people doing guild of finesse class unlocks, some people doing it in a week does not mean it is good

[static fossil]

Doing like 100 monuments to level it up to max didn't seem excessive to me

For something that's permanent content

[dim drum]

100 monuments in a single week?

back when we could not tell event packs aparts from normal packs when it comes to units inside the pack that is not the leader?

My hat to you for it not being excessive in your eyes

[compact quiver]

The highlights of event packs only cut time by half (9-10 mins to 4-5mins for me) but crazier part is finding that amount

[static fossil]

I did them excessively when they dropped lols

The amount req isn't imo

But im an orna dinosaur ||ornasaur || I guess. I'm use to things being super grindy and liked that about the game

[compact quiver]

Also if that week was during the start of December

Totally understandable, we had so many good events lined up

[sweet agate]

I just thought of it, but this month we'll have a problem with mobs in monuments. There'll be 3 different events at the same time. Phoenix / wyrmhunt / wintara. How is NF going to handle it ? Because with that much different event mobs, and the fact that you actually get proofs in regular, Monument will not have the impact it could have had as you will probably not be able to farm event mobs in there with how many different mobs there are (I have specifically Wintara in mind).

[brisk sedge]

Wintara mobs are all bosses, no reason to try and farm them in monuments anyway. Super low spawn rates + a huge pool of mobs

[sweet agate]

Monuments being marketed as another way to engage with event content, I think we should have access to those mobs inside the monument, even if they're bosses. In the end monuments are only entered once a day for now so they can be a good place to go.

[placid falcon]

Good thing i am a mage

I cant imagine how agonising it is for other class

[static fossil]

Ultima goes brrr haha

[candid egret]

Ara Vesta 2 doing the trick as well

[willow dew]

Yeah, I just switched to diety for the main event. Like, didn't even have skill slots to deal with all the different mob types in a melee class. At least now it's only mages so I don't need to worry about having dots too.

[lusty terrace]

Did not know that. I thought the only benefit to doing your factions monument was free entry.

[minor salmon]

🌈 Now you know 🌈

[cedar wagon]

Ok, is there a guide on how to finish the Fomoria quests

[grand pike]

https://tenor.com/view/the-more-you-know-gif-26317296

[cedar wagon]

Like where to find the mobs and which are specific to which type of damage to@kill…like winter is magic ( I think)

[static fossil]

This run is just magic damage

Chaos portals, world & monuments

[cedar wagon]

So, like Leto, ogimas are magic only?

[static fossil]

The only bosses you will see from the fomoria event are the ones that need magic damage

It was split into 4 separate events

[cedar wagon]

Missed that…thanks

[high obsidian]

So after a month or so of this guild, I have one issue with the currency system.

As it stands, I can very easily farm dungeons for an event - earn avarice proofs by forfeiting massive stacks of items - then buy ultra rare/difficult to obtain amorri pieces, without ever touching amorri.

I don't see how this is a fair system. Does anyone share this sentiment?

[brisk sedge]

I complained about it a fair bit when it launched, way back up at the top of the thread probably.

NF doesn't seem to share the sentiment though

I think the karma system was meant to address this to some degree as well

[high obsidian]

Karma only makes it easier though

I can get an ornate a fey crowsong without touching amorri. Wut

In fact, easier than it would be to farm amorri for it

[brisk sedge]

Yeah, I fully agree. Don't think it is changing though 😔

Odie mentioned that if event participation went down because of the items being shoppable that would be cause for concern, but I don't see that happening

[sweet agate]

Still, with 1000 karma I bought 100 items. Best I could get was about 140%. Grinding the event will still be relevant.
Only reasonable other solution I could see, would be to cap the max power of those items at like 180%.

[high obsidian]

Karma definitely makes it easier than raids. I can roll 100 a fey crowsongs at a higher ornate clip through monument guild much faster than obtaining 100 a fey crowsong rolls through raid drops

That should not be possible imo

It should be more like 'ok you raided amorri 200 times heres 50 extra targeted rolls on an item you really want '

Crazy to think a fresh level 225 can get a 200% afc faster than a 250 could

[half island]

I think this is just a general symptom of orna now . It is a very easy game.

[high obsidian]

It is understated how heavily this guild devalues the older player base in its current state

[half island]

Orna is now pretty much a boss horde game. At the moment I'm getting infinite mats and orns and monument proofs from a single task. Loot and ascencion covered by boss horde

[blazing barn]

The two limitations are:

• You can't get avarice purchases for "hard" raid drops (somehow amorri is easy, but pumpkinless/perseus/etc. crafted scroll drops aren't in shop)
• Only 100 pulls at the slot machine; to guarantee e.g. amorri pieces you do need to farm her.

That being said I agree that it has made the game easier.
And also very much agree that boss horde does "too much" (alongside refineries) in terms of all-resource progression.

Early in this thread/at feature launch, my only concern for Avarice was if it would turn into the preferred/optimal way to attain gear.
Odie shared the sentiment that it shouldn't be, and that time would tell the degree to which people use Avarice for their event gear.

I would like to see that data just from december to now, when it is presentable.

[half island]

I bought 6k oricalhum this morning in about 5mins. Normally that would have a been a massive grind. And driving around would have been a bonus. Now orna just a couch game with people with level 320 anguish guilds

[high obsidian]

I definitely think that the 'hard ' list of drops should be reassessed. Would be a lot less vocal about this issue if so

[sweet agate]

if people rely too much on it, you could have a 100 items limit, but for the whole month independently of what item you roll.

[blazing barn]

If people are overusing Avarice, I'm sure it could be changed to have higher avarice prices, fewer slot machine pulls, etc. etc. Any number of ways to attack the problem and force it back down to size. But first need to confirm if it is or isn't a problem (e.g. "1000 ornate afeycrows were created in the month of december. no more than 20% should be from avarice. 567/1000 were from avarice. ergo, time to reduce avarice.")

[sweet agate]

not sure about the higher prices. The two month we've had yet were very generous in term of gear drops. unless it's stated that you should hoard tokens when you can

[high obsidian]

From personal experience i feel like 50% of these types of items would be obtained through avarice from now on in current state

But i like this idea

Alternatively, raid items can only be obtained with raid currency

I can only buy AFC with X amount of Raid proofs of Avarice, and can only buy Ymir Cuirass with X Dungeon proofs of avarice type of thing

[sweet agate]

I still have no items from avarice personnally. IDK if I'm really unlucky or what but all I get is garbage directly back into tokens.
But IMO capping the max power of avarice items could be the best solution. You want that item but you don't have some much time to farm ? avarice. You want an item and the very best version of it ? work harder.

this way, casual players could take part into the event, but hardcore 24/7 grinder will still have the better item

[lethal void]

I understand the sentiment behind (and agree with) the idea of monumental guild replacing event participation. Obviously, as a studio, we'd have no good motivation to coerce folk not to play content we work hard on.

My only question is - sure, you could get an Ornate AFC without fighting AMorri - but did you? Believing the chances and statistics are the same between two separate drop systems are equal might not be the best course here.

Understandably, some players may have - but I would argue that far more, high rated, Ornates are coming from fighting AMorri

[lethal void]

Hard drops have currently been defined as Fey Jorm, Rift Judgment, etc. Their drops are not in Monumental Guild

[blazing barn]

Amorri probably should have been on the elite raid list 😅 Or, should be on it going forward.
I'd say she's in the same class as fey jorm, rift judge, pumpkinless.

(Bonus points if that's explained in-game with a "raid" v. "elite raid" designation in codex/otherwise, and that avarice explicitly says it doesn't deal with elite raids)

[sweet agate]

hard raid, currently, stand more as hard to spawn raids. Amorri is by no mean hard to spawn.

[half island]

Arisen rift guy was a pretty easy farm tbh

[lethal void]

technically AMorri is base game, fwiw

[sweet agate]

can't wait for sister event remix, and the new hard raid arisen deadlier morrigan, droping even better stuff.

[half island]

Arisen arisen morrigan

[sweet agate]

arisen from the dead... again

[lethal void]

Fey Rift Arisen Morrigan (Arisen)

[sweet agate]

IMO the best handled raid on that aspect is the new surtr event. You still have good ol' surtr even accessible through monument, but if you want the better gear you need to farm the serpent

[tulip briar]

I personally prefer the avarice method myself. I can farm for things in advance and prep around the event side. It's especially advantagous when it comes to gear that are behind kingdom raids so I don't have to pester kingdom officers to burn orns as much. Everything just seems more accessible. Granted luck is another thing, but it's still great as a keep up mechanic while still respecting the big gear objectives that come as elite raids.

[forest wave]

I didn't spend a single summoning scroll since the monumental guild appeared and got ornates from every single item I could try my chance at.

More rolls than I'd ever get playing normally too, notably on krb exclusives. Proofs aren't remotely a factor, the roll limit is the only thing that makes high rolled items keep a semblance of rarity.

Worst part is that the Ragnarok event is still a gigantic middle finger to solo players after the introduction of the guild that did absolutely nothing to help with mandatory krb interaction.

[brisk sedge]

I think the entire issue could be avoided by just having event gear require proofs from that event. But that creates much more work for NF, so I get why it wasn't the route chosen.

You killed 200 amorris and the guild grants you 50 extra rolls for one piece of Amorri gear of your choice? Super cool

You killed 850 Ymirs and can roll for AFC 100 times? Meh

[sweet agate]

you still need to bring your karma up

but with event stacking, it would also be skipped during morrigan month.

[sweet agate]

you're lucky, I didn't get shit on my rolls

[trail plume]

i wish i have that luck monument guild didnt help me one bit on the item i want

ah yes i sure love another 14X

the one item i actually want to get some more rolls this month (FSS) didnt even show up in guild yet

[trail plume]

couldve been this because if i farmed like 600 full kills and didnt get an ornate i sure need some help

or 500 mirrors in 3 days

[high obsidian]

No i didnt because none of the a.fey items showed up for me in the shop during the event anyways ... so even worse for those of us who do farm amorri and still dont get the opportunity.
Given that I didn't see any of them at all, that makes me feel pretty bad when Im sure there are entry-level t10s out there who did, and some that got an ornate.

Speculating of course but still doesnt sit right

You can replace -amorri- and -afc- with other difficult event items that arent currently blocked by monument guild of course

And i would definitely add amorri to the list of -hard- guild blocked raids

Also definitely dont want to sound complainy here, just trying to illustrate a sentiment that Ive felt and know is shared by others

[candid egret]

I haven't raided this month - got a few choice ornate as well.

[dusty crown]

See a lot of people mentioning their good luck... So just thought I'd mention I've rolled done 4x100 rolls and got 0 ornates with max karma.

[tulip briar]

What's max karma?

[blazing barn]

1000

[dusty crown]

1000

[tulip briar]

Oh damn am half way there

Livin' on a prayer

[dusty crown]

Haven't seen any theories on the odds or how karma effects it. But in my 0/400 experience, the system seems fine as is.

[candid egret]

I think I read at 1k you won't get poor or broken drops anymore ?

[worldly moon]

Correct

[high obsidian]

Maybe so from an RNG standpoint, but I still stand by the fact that someone shouldnt be able to just do some easy dungeons at lvl 225 and get an A. Fey Morri wep from the monument guild casino

[candid egret]

I've rolled about 600 (maybe more) and recieved maybe 4 ornates iirc

But they were really good ones

[lethal void]

To make us all feel worse about RNG, someone can do 2 HP damage to AMorri and get a 200% AFC

[worldly moon]

Couldn't be me

[empty moss]

Does it still work if I do 1 damage

[lethal void]

no

[dusty crown]

I've been doing it wrong, I've been killing them solo, I need to just do 2 damage and leave.

[candid egret]

I think this is much better 😌

I prefer dungeons over raiding and always have -

Now I can at least try to get raid drops without forcing myself through raids I don't really want to do

[minor salmon]

Expless has been trying this

but with Fool.
And RoRs.

For a DFRoR.

which due to an unknown source, we now know is a 1 in 100k chance

[candid egret]

The Fomor King Crown being 100 proofs is bit cheap eh

[placid falcon]

woah.. my guild karma drop from 1k to something like 600+

anyone faced the same issue?

[little stag]

i just had mine drop from 1k to 11, i thought i was forfeiting at least a few items every few days, but don't have actual proof.

[worldly moon]

I guess thats the one week fall off thing?

[candid egret]

Mine went from 1k to 0 when fomo started

[little stag]

it is possible, but i thought i had been forfeiting, also "inactivity" is super vague, even misleading in context here

[little stag]

oh that might line up with what happened to me then.

[candid egret]

I thought it was weird

I had been forfeiting daily

[storm scroll]

My karma also went from 1000 down to 1. Was doing a few forfeits a day to make sure I wasn't "inactive".

Unrelated but, I had an item return in the shop, and it kept the number of rolls I did from a previous day. Does this mean you can only do 100 total rolls on a particular item each time it's event occurs?

[worldly moon]

100 rolls per event item, resets after 30 days

[worthy dawn]

Perhapps "activity" needs you to finish some monuments?
Since the dungeon giving monument proofs change many stopped doing them

[storm scroll]

Could be this, I haven't run any monument dungeons in a while.

[willow dew]

I would be surprised - I haven't done a monument since maybe the first or second of Jan. Too burnt out on them from Dec

[thick lintel]

My major issue with the guild is the frankly awful setup for forfeiting gear. I can't organize it to be able to see things in any way other than recent, unlike every other inventory screen, I have to know ahead of time what I want to forfeit(and with my ADHD I forget pretty quick) and it just prevents me from using it aside from if I farm specifically to throw new stuff away.

[lethal void]

given the amount of feedback/suggestions about the forfeiting UI, i think we can let the topic rest until next update 🙂

[sweet agate]

IMO "recent" is far better than the previous one. If you've trouble with forfeiting, maybe you should just forfeit more regularly (if possible)? That's what I do and it works just fine for me. Just need to be carful when you know you dropped something good.

[plain pumice]

I forfeit by quality, colors doesn't mess my brain

So I can forfeit quicker

[heavy blaze]

the karma dropping is one of the worst feelings in the game for me at the moment

[heavy blaze]

for that it would be better to start with all items selected except the ones that are locked and you can deselect what you want

[dim drum]

make the lore to justify her becoming a apocalysm level threath and go to town with a 3rd impossible incarnation that requires hell to get scrolls

Make Appolyon come back redeemed and the npc helping us fight her

[plain pumice]

Yes, I want my "Arisen Fey Distorded Plagued Helmet" after a better "Arisen Fey Distorded Plagued Garb"

[candid egret]

Please no more raid material gear 😫

[candid egret]

Btbtb floors with no event mobs

https://tenor.com/view/craig-of-the-creek-looking-binoculars-eyes-open-eyes-gif-12274623905166242913

[half island]

Not a bad collection today lads

[sweet agate]

This is what mine looks like since the beginning of the month. I'm looking for 2 different items, didn't saw one.

[half island]

Which ones?

[desert jackal]

I'm looking for fallen sky shoes and maybe fallen sky armour. Got neither. I'll take a crown and trialing bow as well

[half island]

I've had the fallen sky boots 3x so far

[desert jackal]

Nefr

I had the cowl twice but I got it last month

[sweet agate]

like everyone else I suppose, the cowl and the shoes. I droped the cowl from the raid so just need the shoes now. And some wintara gear would be great. But the game keep spamming me with low level phoenix gear.

But when I see people spamming there ornate drops and saying the monument guild is broken, it's just even more frustrating to me

[trail plume]

I mean on average you aren't going to get ornate

and people that don't get ornate won't post it most of the time so all you see is people getting it

I didn't even get the item I want to show up yet

[sweet agate]

you should tell that to people saying the guild is broken and remove the need to farm

[trail plume]

getting lucky is broken nefr luck

[half island]

Monument guild is broken

[desert jackal]

More like your luck is broken

[sweet agate]

So broken I didn't even got 1

[candid egret]

I don't see a 100/100

https://tenor.com/view/dude-i-think-its-totally-working-eric-cartman-millie-larsen-tolkien-black-south-park-gif-22282865

[teal egret]

I still haven't seen a good item show up in monument guild so dunno what the problem is. First you gotta have the item you want show up, then you gotta have the luck to roll a good roll in 100 chances.

I'm more enjoying that monument has given an easy way to farm raid scrolls before hitting regular 50 floor towers.

[high obsidian]

Its not a huge problem other than for difficult content imo

As in bosses like Amorri should be in the list for which items do not appear in guild casino

A 225 shouldn't be able to substitute difficult content with horde dungeons then rolling the dice at the casino (with relatively decent odds)

Same with other tiers and content at their tier, just using as example

[teal egret]

This is why "hard" raids are classified already.

[high obsidian]

Amorri isnt on that list. I guess my conclusion is The 'hard' list needs to be reevaluated

Should include rare and hard difficulty

[teal egret]

Odies already kind of given his opinion here on that though. A mori is a random spawn world non event boss where anyone that can tap her and do damage has a chance at RNG a good ornate weapon. That's not particularly "hard".

[midnight rapids]

But surely practically all the people with Amorri 195+ gear are the ones spawning hundreds in the events and grinding

[desert jackal]

Now that you can have a steady flow of poms, are you guys spending then on mnemonics/scrolls?

As someone who doesn't farm uw portals a lot I'm tempted to use them on scrolls

[heavy blaze]

seems like a waste to me

[desert jackal]

Then what do you plan to spend the proofs on? Mats? 🤔

[compact quiver]

Just hoarding them until something useful shows up

[high obsidian]

Are there any other non event bosses that show up on the monument guild casino? Why is amorri the only one

Amorri kind of is in it's own category

Gear from amorri represents the best in the game at what it does. Just think its silly to be able to casino it a couple times a year

[sweet agate]

Can we have an increased chance to see gear from our tier in the monuments ?
If I'm not wrong, even if the item show up twice, you can only buy 100 of them. So it would be nice to see items you could actually use instead of T5 items all the time. I'm yet to see any fallen sky or fomorian items. All I get is phoenician and ash-plumed. I look every single day for nothing.

[minor salmon]

The chance for each individual item to show up is independant of other items. You're seeing t5 all the time because there's a butt ton of t5 items.
Them being in the pool or not is irrelevant for the guild

[sweet agate]

so not seeing a single item of interest is just RNG doing me without consent once again ? f*

[minor salmon]

Yeah.

Even if there was just one item in the entire pool, you'd just be seeing empty monuments all the time

[sweet agate]

https://tenor.com/view/sad-cry-tears-كاكي-يوسف-gif-21090186

[candid egret]

I'm gonna sway towards its okay as is; it really shouldn't affect your ability to raid?

I think Quetz is kingdom

Fomo ended last night 😦

So it wouldn't be in there last refresh

[desert jackal]

Fomo still exists when the gear you want is blue and DMG cap is 35%

[sweet agate]

Yes, I droped the cowl from personal raids, still miss the shoes.
And LF fomorian gear is hard, so I hoped for 1 or 2 in monument but nope.

[candid egret]

I meant fomor

Sorry !

[desert jackal]

Still no fallen sky shoes for me, 3 more days of praying

[candid egret]

Good luck !

I'll send my RnG to you two

https://tenor.com/view/wrestling-pelvis-thrust-gif-15153161

[desert jackal]

Pants always run from me 😔

Whole month went by with no arisen jolly stockings in the guild

[minor salmon]

Excommunicated from Pants Cult

[coarse jetty]

[midnight rapids]

I was spoiled

[plain pumice]

Me too