Is Ashen Phoenix Dead?

[warped palm]

I have stopped using it ever since they fixed an alleged bug when I am using RS.

I tried using 16 kerb eyes and it still doesn't buff for most of the dungeons with my mage build.

[compact zinc]

It's not as useful as before but still does the work for me at least when i use heretic

[hollow pumice]

As Beo it now works about right, where as before it'd be every second / third turn

[broken thistle]

Ashen Phoenix drops very interesting gear for a permanent t10 World Raid
But with Power Creep, they have less uses, outmatched by some events

[warped palm]

With Deity
100 turns - 19 times DC

I will calculate with other classes too

Similar gear for everyone

Gilga 100 hits
18 DC

[gusty crater]

read again

[broken thistle]

Title : "Is Ashen Pheonix dead ?"
Answer : Not dead, outdated

[gusty crater]

he's clearly talking about the pet, and you're talking about the gear

[gusty crater]

you're talking about turns were phoenix casted DC or DC uptime ?
did you count deity innate DC or just phoenix casts ?

[warped palm]

Just phoenix

[gusty crater]

it will be the same for every class then, no ? (exept for beo obviously) why the need to test on multiple ?

if you're still testing, maybe trying smartAI could be of some use

[warped palm]

Only deity and beo can equip that

[gusty crater]

smart AI from tower augment

i don't rememeber which one

[warped palm]

Oh

Same

[broken thistle]

not clear actually, you know some equipments can give buffs ?

[gusty crater]

but maybe trading some pet act for some smart AI could increase dc turns

Selene heart

[gusty crater]

ok but bug fix was on pet, and kerb eyes don't improve your gear buffs.

• Sore was one of the most vocal about ashen pet "nerf"

[broken thistle]

now that's clear

but do remember that Pet AI only works with enough pet act

[gusty crater]

you could try a combination of selene lungs/shoulder and heart

[broken thistle]

but you lose 3 augments slots

[gusty crater]

wht ?

[broken thistle]

Selene lungs
Selene shoulder
Selene heart
That's three

[gusty crater]

look his gear, you wouldn't lose much because 1 lungs + 1 shoulder = 6.5 eyes, you can add 3 "free" hearts

[random lintel]

Why is the raid available all year and the pet just in the event?

[timid mango]

why would adding 30 percent prt act make it more likely for it to cast the buff, when it has 3 other spells? you're buffing the rate on all of those as well

[gusty crater]

because otherwise the pet wouldn't even be playing every turn (phoenix have very low base act)

[timid mango]

was more pointing out the methodology. to get more usable results you'd need to count turns with dc casted when there is no other possible action, I think (all enemies already dead)

as far as the original question, no I don't think the pet is dead at all, especially so for magic casters as 2 of its 3 attacks scale off magic buffs. the skills have good pen for finishing off second chancers, ward turn generation, good protect chance, and a 1 in 5 chance of double stats is I think still pretty good. that the follower is still so widespread makes it seem people agree

[gusty crater]

that's what smart AI is for, it will help phoenix to chose DC over other actions if you don't have the buff

[timid mango]

I'm still convinced that's placebo

is it really all that smart if it's making the follower cast a buff when there are enemies it can kill?

[gusty crater]

imo DC > killing an enemy. and for none beo, its damages aren't that good anyway.

[random mesa]

Yes

That is the point of that pet

My ortanite golem could attack instead of buff ward if theres a low enemy hp

That would be stupid because it has low damage and its job is to boost ward

[untold barn]

The raid existed before the event

[timid mango]

if that is the point of the pet, would you be fine removing the block chance and other skills from it?

also, the damage is actually pretty good if being used in a mage carry setting. and in pvp all you really need from a pet is 1 damage for second chancers

[warped palm]

That's another issue. It's not useful for melee classes.

[warped palm]

Yeah

We thief classes don't have a second chance or steadfast. Not having protect chance from phoenix is nothing much

[timid mango]

we're in agreement then. I would be happy to isolate its identity to dc machine

with other skill removal and the investment you referenced in the op (16 eyes) that'd be around 1 in 3 turns with dc casted, pretty good uptime with a pos effects amity I would think

[warped palm]

I agree

[dire mural]

Lmao🤣

[hollow pumice]

I can confirm with BeoA or intelligence gear after the change phoniex will practically give you dc all the time and won't call it when it's already active unlike before. That with its bonds makes a pet + attack build viable especially in lower T10 where the extra defence helps alot. For raids a spiritgarm build is better though once you have enough defence from everything else

[velvet whale]

Smart AI is the answer

[gusty crater]

when you have to pay the pet brain dlc...

[broken thistle]

Imagine not being Valhallan

Imagine being Valhallan and not having smart AI #BeowulfHydrus

[dire mural]

Imagine not getting second, 3rd, etc truns

[modern ingot]

@warped palm have you tried it with these new fancy t8 hellfire boots for thief? they are great 😉

[warped palm]

Hellfire?

[modern ingot]

this months event the t8 kraid has pet smart ai boots

[warped palm]

For thiefs?

[modern ingot]

yes

[warped palm]

Oh, I have to get them then.

Thanks

[modern ingot]

I use it for realm aoe horde if i don’t want to swap to mage

[warped palm]

That's a good find

I will have to get it and gf it before the event ends

[modern ingot]

I got the ornate from other realms, and I decided to read the text on it before I dismantled it. Good thing I did lol just another tool to have in your toolbox 🤷‍♂️

[warped palm]

I never got an ornate

[modern ingot]

The stats on it are dog shit, any quality will work

drakeblight immune is worth it alone, i hate the orgy of status effects with dragons lol