Valhallan Changes

[south sleet]

https://discord.com/channels/448527960056791051/1098600696460349450

then the beta app yes just playstore

[umbral glade]

You can start on the beta client and just create a new char

[misty acorn]

Forgive the stupid questions so I get character creation. Should I call it something different

[umbral glade]

It can be level 250 and have billions of orns

The mirrored char will be called "mirror of 'your normal name' "

A regular beta char can be whatever you want it

[misty acorn]

Thanks man

[umbral glade]

Bestial beta bond bomber bro

Os something like that

The mirror request might take a bit, so a normal character is a good starting point

[misty acorn]

Almost as many orns as my main account

Jk

I just ascended and didn't get ancient stone once, is this a change going live? 😉

Is there any way to see the bonds or do I have to look in the beastiary?

[sick tinsel]

Bestiary and your passive in the menu

[umbral glade]

Yea in your buff list there are 3 bond icons

[misty acorn]

Oh yes ty

[umbral glade]

Tower unlocks are free id you want to try that

And you have summon items for titan/giant pets

As well as summoning scrolls and stuff like it

[misty acorn]

Oh god fey chims got a random skill too

[umbral glade]

💯

[misty acorn]

Gs is still as broken as ever jeeeeesus

I'll have to wait to my character I think

[umbral glade]

Yea

In the mirror thread you will get a ✅ once its done

Then you can use the character recovery system

Just gotta use the same email iirc

Be aware that items in your keeps storage wont get mirrored, so keep everything on you

[misty acorn]

I don't want any of these bond skills man

I thought there would be more haha

I don't want these at all

[umbral glade]

Check out t7 gullinkampi

The lizarr is also nice at t10

But yea, animal/human/common is not good atm

[misty acorn]

I'm never gonna use a t7 bird is it really worth testing

[umbral glade]

The bond is

Lizarr was a t3 pet until yesterday and now we have a t10 version

Nothren forces might also get at10 pet

[misty acorn]

So all it has are multi hit stills

And these won't do anything in pvp and we already have pets that do this

It won't add anything

Fjalar can crit so the lizard won't be as good in raids either

[umbral glade]

Reptile strikes crits

[misty acorn]

And it's spamming sharpen

This is horrible

That's an F

0 use, honestly

No one uses pets that spam skills like that

Take off sharpen and it might be usable

Even rhada has friendship

Every single pet had an undesirable skill

Even fjalae omg

Bind is so bad, I tried raiding with it and it's waisting turns using this horrible skill

Omg what's happened, this is horrible

Every turn it uses these skills just divides your DPS, this is insane

Nah I don't feel like doing millions with aerial crit I just wanna use bind for no damage

These bond skills need to go

I'm doing no damage

My fjalar will not stop using bind in raids dude, this should not exist

It does like 20k damage max buffed

Has this been mentioned before or do you guys just not use the most common pets?

650k crit with aerial
20k with bind

[umbral glade]

I talked about it frequently

[misty acorn]

Why the hell does this exist

So halve your DPS instantly

That sums up this new mechanic

And it's bond is dex?

[umbral glade]

That's why i always say the added skills should be thr pets best skill or maybe second nest

[misty acorn]

Hey should be straight up removed

This is disgusting lol

It's literally halving your DPS or worse

It uses it so often

Fjalar acts every time usually, this isn't needed at all

Just remove these skills please 🥺 omg this is bad

I should have worried more

I tested all the relevant pets, all do significantly less because of that new skill. There is so little to write, because the problem is so obvious. Imagine if you're an RS and every 3 turns instead of using your best skill you had to use something like a flare spell, then resume doing damage. That's what these skills are.

They nerf you in every mode. A dungeon I got petrified because my pet used a stupid skill, in raids I do less because the pet is wasting turns on this, and in pvp yeah the same issue. You're dead because your pet is using bad skills. Is there any point even testing the buff to pet damage if it makes 0 difference in the real world? This, to me, is unusable.

[umbral glade]

See, thats why we need more people to playtest things - its one thing if i tell you that something ain't cool, its another thing if you see it for yourself

[misty acorn]

It's 100x worse than I imagined

Honestly

Pet act was an issue before, people stacked pet act to get around it. Skadi doesn't help, it still uses these skills. They need to be erased

They don't add anything

Every. Single. Pet. Is worse

Maybe not arsenal

He's about the same

[sick tinsel]

Ah, I love it, this is peak comedy

[misty acorn]

Cause he didn't do much damage before and still doesn't

Say you're raiding and you want to do some big damage with fjalar but he's using bind for 20k every 2 skills, it doesn't matter if he's doing 4m

4m then a bind is half

[sick tinsel]

then propose another skill

[misty acorn]

No, delete them lol

There skills were fine

[sick tinsel]

abort the idea of realmstrikes

[misty acorn]

Just make it use it's normal skills, why do I need to have tackle at the elite 4

[sick tinsel]

pokemon challenge maybe

[misty acorn]

They're making beo a challenge to wanna play that's for sure

[sick tinsel]

Let's play Nuzlock Orna

[misty acorn]

Did you try these?

Why is no one saying they do half the damage now cause it uses a useless skill?

Is that not important to anyone here?

You realise that you will die in any dungeon

[umbral glade]

Imagine fjalar getting a skill on the powerlevel of aerial barrage

Then it aint so bad

Thats what i have been preaching

[misty acorn]

You cannot do any game mode in this state

Imagine doing a war and you die cause your birds just binding over and over instead of doing damage

[umbral glade]

Thats why i asked people to attempt endless with the new system, its much harder and slower

[misty acorn]

Cactus attack this gs!
Friendship

Dead

I could not kill a single gs in the arena

Endless in this state would literally be impossible

[umbral glade]

Mammon acolyte was okay, everything else felt bad

[misty acorn]

Even Killin a boss is hard now

[warm finch]

People have tried those skills and people have mentioned these issues.

However, as Yalalala has said a couple times, it's best to think of things that the skills could be replaced with, instead of asking for their deletion.
Sure, friendship is bad, and it costs cactus a turn. But what if it was Sweep instead of Friendship?
And what if Fjalar had Sortie instead of Bind?

[misty acorn]

Mammons skills is a nerf also

Sorry I'm getting bad auto correct lol

Is adding a skill that's very good even an option

Or are these intended to be bad

[umbral glade]

Again - if the added skill is on the powerlevel of the pets best skill, you are now more likely to roll a good skill instead of the pets worst

[misty acorn]

That's so obvious though

And it's not done

Lol

[umbral glade]

Thats what the feedback is for

[misty acorn]

It's like they were bad on purpose

That's why I'm confused

[umbral glade]

Last few days most of the focus went into number tuning the atk/mag bond

Skills didnt change at all, bond math did a couple of times

Those numbers are better now

[warm finch]

You shouldn't assume the worst of people :p

[misty acorn]

It made me think these terrible skills were adding to try and be balanced or something you know?

[umbral glade]

Feedback <---> changes

[misty acorn]

That's what I meant

[umbral glade]

Thats a constant loop during beta

[misty acorn]

If the skills are as good as the skills they have already why do these exist

[umbral glade]

Bind is just a random tier 1 skill

[misty acorn]

They'd have to be BETTER for it to be worth adding

[umbral glade]

Might be still in the system testing phase

If odie replaces all skills with realmstrikes2

Suddenly its good

[misty acorn]

Do you userstand why I'm so confused though? The bonds without the skills are fine

Because they don't bring anything to the table

And if they're adding skills that are the same as the ones they have

It makes even less sense

[umbral glade]

Think about what skills could be, not what they are. Give feedback about the current skills, make suggestions for new ones

And i think your furrent feedback is and will be heard

[misty acorn]

I'm at the stage where I need to know why they were added, something about the no act % right?

Honestly bind would have to be replaced with a skill on par with aerial barrage

Cactus needs to remain aoe only, so sweep or arrowstorm 2/3/4 anything

I can't test the dragons which are my fav pets of all time

[umbral glade]

They were added because the system can do a lot of great stuff

This whole "passive skill that adds a skill to a pet" was not in the game before, so it had to be playtested

Regardless of powerlevel

[misty acorn]

I overestimated the amount of testing

That had been done

[sick tinsel]

Sweep would be huge

[misty acorn]

Sweep would be great and would not be a nerf

[umbral glade]

Sweep or just another arrowstorm, so cactus has less problems using his skills

[misty acorn]

It would be a definite buff

[sick tinsel]

well on mono target maybe

but cactus is used for horde mainly

And GS killer also

[umbral glade]

Its also one of the better endless pets

[misty acorn]

Beo (and pretty much any other class) is gonna get murdered by gs for a while lol

[sick tinsel]

I use BeoH now for endless, so meh

Or TMM, because of Aegis

[misty acorn]

Okay the skills need to be very strong then, like top tier

[sick tinsel]

Worth it their Bestial Bond 3

But if it's too strong, people will tend to use less pet act possible to spam it

[misty acorn]

If that's the case then no one wins

And it's just a nerf

[sick tinsel]

Bonded skills just replace no act, but there is a bug that replace some normal act by bonded skill

[misty acorn]

Aerial barrage and arrowstorm 2 I'd say are top tier for pets, I didn't mean anything stupid strong

[umbral glade]

Ultima5 for everything

[misty acorn]

Not like cactus using ss3 or anything lol

[sick tinsel]

Let Spiked Shield to Golems

[misty acorn]

Im actually terrified of this being released like this and not being able to do any content effectively. These skills have to change or we're in for a bad time

I can't actually test anymore because I've seen enough. I couldn't even do a dungeon.

Not even horde

[rocky rivet]

[misty acorn]

It just used friendship and I got murdered

[sick tinsel]

Friendship is just Realmshift but weaker

[misty acorn]

Fjalar just nerfed me just crippled my DPS with bind, what else...

[sick tinsel]

Plus I do not have interest in Bonded buff, cause that's the player's role

[umbral glade]

Has that confirmed to be a bug, because i am pretty sure you misunderstood that

[misty acorn]

Chimera also had bind

I dunno man I honestly can't test anything else in this state

[sick tinsel]

How is this calculated ?

I have less than 100% act, Fjalar may do nothing, but not at 50% time

[misty acorn]

My pet move every single time in live if I want

So I should never ever see these monstrosities

[noble stag]

Yep

Therefore I don't see how they are a hindrance

[sick tinsel]

Yeah that's why it's not normal behavior

[noble stag]

Well yes but if they go into live with their intented design it's good

[misty acorn]

These skills are terrible anyway

Might as well just let them not move

Literally

[noble stag]

To save time or what lol

[sick tinsel]

Like said ☝️

[noble stag]

Yes we all know that but isn't dejct complaining pets use them even though he has high act rate?

[rugged glade]

Don't forget that we are testing concepts and ideas at this point, rather than precise number

[sick tinsel]

You're going too far again ...

[misty acorn]

I know what I experienced.. I didn't go far enough lol

[noble stag]

How often did your followers use the bond skills dejct

And how much act rate did you have

[misty acorn]

Constantly lol

[noble stag]

I'm assuming close to 100

[misty acorn]

Like so much

[noble stag]

Yeah that's probably not intented then

[misty acorn]

But if it's a bug and they should never use them then it's irrelevant I guess

[noble stag]

So no point of really complaining, just point it out and odie will fix it probablg

Yeah

[misty acorn]

If you expect all bugs will get fixed then you have no reason to be as upset as me

[noble stag]

Oh I know they don't lmao

Ive been here for long enough

[misty acorn]

If these skills never used by the pet, then fine but that just makes me wonder why they exist, and why would they make them better at all

[noble stag]

But odie has been really active in this specific thread so I'm pretty sure it's gonna get fixed

[misty acorn]

It just raises more questions than it answers

[noble stag]

They basically replace the turns when your pet doesn't act

In concept

[misty acorn]

I'll get my account mirrored and try and not count the bug until it's fixed and report my findings on damage difference etc

If the followers never ever use these when they would normally act then fine, I should never see a single bond skills as I always have enough act

[noble stag]

Yep but you could build lower act rate or something(or just be a noob beo) and still see them

[misty acorn]

And I really hope that's the case otherwise every beo will cry lol

[noble stag]

And I think they should be balanced around that

[manic nimbus]

I am already terrified my fey cactus is going to be ruined 🤣

The only positive point of beo/auriga D:

[misty acorn]

In it's current state it's 100% ruined

I couldn't even get past floor 3 in a dungeon

Solo

[manic nimbus]

I tested some raids in beta and honestly, no big difference. Yeah lindworm might do more dmg but its still the same painful experience

[manic nimbus]

Damn, if that goes live I guess I am never gonna swap from hydrus

[misty acorn]

What's with everyone and lindworms haha

It's not even good

[manic nimbus]

Just tested

[misty acorn]

Nvm we don't need to go into that haha

[manic nimbus]

Seems a bit better than it was

[misty acorn]

It's just very popular here

[manic nimbus]

I dont raid in live as auriga

But your screenshot gives me nightmares

[umbral glade]

Lindworm has the highest avg damage per turn on live

[manic nimbus]

🤣

[misty acorn]

Dude it's a nightmare for sure dude

[umbral glade]

Scroll down after that comment from him

[misty acorn]

If it gets fixed we can not worry about ever seeing cactus fatality move

I never want to see that skill ever again

[manic nimbus]

That will require all beos to get 100% axt rate in order for pet to not use a crap skill... From what i understand

Thats a nerf

Its early morning so my brain might be a bit asleep

But thats what i understand

[misty acorn]

If you use skadi and it still uses friendship, then beo is dead

If that's intended

Cactus needs skadi to get 100 almost

So yeah if he still uses it with skadi we are screwed. This can't happen, people are gonna be so mad

[manic nimbus]

I will be blunt... Bestial Bonds seem a overcomplicated system to improve a class that could be improved in any other way. Sure, it has potential in the future depending on what NF envisions for this

Id rather a simple pet buff/pet stat buff and be happyily on my way

[misty acorn]

That's what I said

[umbral glade]

That system is not hard to understand, people are missing the context to odies comment and the stuff he said after also gets ignored

[misty acorn]

Once it gets fixed we can see yeah

[summer gulch]

All 3 of the me

[misty acorn]

Ikr

[umbral glade]

Just a passive skill sucks as gear means nothing

Which is no fun

[manic nimbus]

I personally like to embrace change and new mexhanics but I am simply not feeling this one. If i was a new player I would look into this and think "damn, such complicated stuff to, in the end, do less damage than other classes" and move away from beo

But eh, since i do love beo I will stick around to see. We have hydrus at least 🤣

[misty acorn]

If skadi makes it '100' when it's fixed then we have nothing to worry about

[manic nimbus]

True, i use skadi for dungeons anyway so no harm done 😄

[rugged glade]

The "complication" around BB was wanted. We (I mean many people here) asked for a better scaling of pets along a Valhallan evolution. Currently, with static boosts, a Beo is really good early T10 and stuck under a glass ceiling end T10/T11.
Put some transferred stats on BB was one of the pathways we pointed for Odie to solve this issue

And it is coming along with better stats and better Valhallan Dissonance

We are in a beta, trying to find the right ideas, not yet the right numbers. There are few bugs, yes, and there are some work to do ahead until the new core mechanic is as balanced and useful as possible. But nobody here plan to see the end of the beta anytime soon

And, just on the ideas' plan, I like stats transferring Beo > Pet, as I like passives bonus given by pet family/role, and special moove unlocked by higher BB

[sick tinsel]

[umbral glade]

that glass ceiling was one of the worst parts about the class, having all the power in the passives and non of it in the gear means you peak at level 225 and lack options to scale up. Increasing numbers on random passive stats will INCREASE this feeling of being unable to ever break through that ceiling. It may make us as powerful as a heretic but with no investment since gear would not matter. That feels good for a week and then you realize you will never get stronger, you stagnate. It gets boring fast.

The potential of scaling the pets damage through gear is great, the potential of adding new skills to pets is also great, if its an objective improvement, which it is not in its current form.
This opens up so many fun things for the class in the future.
It could make a random tier 8 pet suddenly a viable option due to a really strong bond, if you gear for it in a specific way. This makes people engage with their character and their gear.

It just takes time, we got constant changes to the pet <--> player scaling in the last few days, balance updates to added skills will be on the horizon, hivemind-ing idea's for that is a better idea than making a push to abandon all this work and potential

[polar cypress]

What if the various beast bond levels allowed us to customise the pet?

[zealous vine]

I don't know if is the best place for that but to solve some problems with 'no act', but could Beo starting battle with a call active?
Sorry if already said.

[umbral glade]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xiJbM3HBc60 upgraded fjalar in action

[polar cypress]

Like:

• BB 1 gives access to a pool of niche passives as most families are getting rn
• BB 2 gives access to a pool of better passives like bonded stat
• BB 3 improves the bonded stat you picked at BB 2 and adds an active skills

[umbral glade]

sword legs and bombs

[umbral glade]

that idea has been thrown around, I like the idea of "auto cast first call equipped" - that could be a tamer passive even

[polar cypress]

It can also be tought as a spec for the pet, like an archetype you want to give to your pet. Something like:

• brute (increases att)
• mage (increases mag)
• defender (bonded ward)

[wicked sandal]

Thats really damn low, i have 2200 personally

[polar locust]

What you normally use?

Without the dooms it's now at 1180

[hasty knoll]

As of now, Bestial Bonds are no longer tied to family, but rather a (hidden) follower classification.

All followers have been moved into classifications that should fit them well

[wicked sandal]

creation jewels and dooms in weapon. I used blackeneds for a long time but switched to dooms to see how close I could get to t11 horde boss with cactus

won't be able to for some time so will probably switch back to blackeneds

with blackeneds I have close to 3k mana

[warm finch]

Fjalar now has Reptile Strikes, Cactus now has no additional ability (gives 20% earth res, 12% bonded attack and 22% bonded dex)

[umbral glade]

well time to test that i guess

arisen glashtyn atk and dex bonds 🥲

damn very scary skeleton is a mage now

[last bane]

Hi uses mage skills?

[umbral glade]

is has the elemenal aoe spells atm

[last bane]

i'm about galshtyn

[wicked sandal]

Aglashtyn has casted shadows as its main focus, which is a spell yes

[umbral glade]

i think he meant my very scary skeleton comment

VSS has wildfire, chain lightning, winter winds atm

[last bane]

VSS was phys pet before...

[umbral glade]

place holder

or maybe wrong category

[polar locust]

Im gonna try use blackened, at least the low tier version, didn't farm almost nothing

[polar locust]

😮

[last bane]

Looks like Gunnr and Snotra are useless buffs now..

[umbral glade]

my dude, its the beta, until it is on the live game

think of everything as not finished

[last bane]

i know

[polar locust]

The before bonded mana changed a lot? Now that is "gone"?

From cactus

[umbral glade]

its gone from cactus

[last bane]

yea, there was mana

[warm finch]

no more cactus mana

[umbral glade]

humans still have it

[polar locust]

Yeah but before it changed much mana?

[warm finch]

Orna: Friendship is mana

[polar locust]

Just to know

[round shore]

wew, bonded attack on cactus. I wonder how high I can make its attack stat go now 🤪

[last bane]

not so high, farm-set in dungeons still meta

[warm finch]

higher than before for sure

even if you have nothing equipped :p

[wicked sandal]

with that bond attack I can just about get oneshot threshold on t10-11 boss floors in orn gear

thanks odie

🎉

[polar locust]

That's a W

[round shore]

I'm at 13,833 attack in orns gear, how 'bout you

[wicked sandal]

13246

[round shore]

I guess I could/should readorn for crims and attack adorns to get another few hundred attack stat in full boosters.

Anyway -- cactus was fine before, it's better now.

what archetype is... Odok? it gets magi aoes in bond skills, that might change things for a higher tier pet if I can find one with that archetype

[umbral glade]

all undeads have that atm

well

many

[round shore]

ahh Ancient jinn T9 has it

[umbral glade]

i didnt check all

very scary sksleton has those as well

undead mages

[round shore]

as does T9 Onryo, and T9 VSS (🤔)

[umbral glade]

big cactus having giants passives is funny

[polar locust]

That's cool for a T8 cactus

[round shore]

yeah I still like that 😄

easter egg of sorts

[umbral glade]

btw the ward bond is still turbo bad

like, 1k ward bad

[round shore]

glashtyn is still not really about magic/aoe in its bonds.

it's still got that animal/attack-dex focus thing despite being a mage.

alright, I still don't get it.

@hasty knoll I have to ping.
Why does equipping a Heretics Robe (+magic), over top of a nothing-chest like court jester, and only having Bond Attack on the cactus increase Cactus' attack stat?

There's no bond magic. There should be zero interaction with cactus' attack stat by the player equipping +mag gear, right?

[umbral glade]

can you swap to base beo

[round shore]

BeoA, no Hybrid Monster.

[grave fog]

Is it because of Hybrid on Beo?

[umbral glade]

maybe its the hidden "improved bond effect"

from beoA

[grave fog]

OhhBeo A

[round shore]

beoO w/ orn gear swap heretics robe: 13493 cactus attack
beoA w/ orn gear:                    13833 cactus attack
beoA w/ orn gear swap heretics robe: 14451 cactus attack```

there we go, aligned even.

[last bane]

Got Steward Cactus

and his bond at passive

after beta-client restart

[umbral glade]

those numbers are just weird

oh hey, my "better tooltip for what bonded means" made it

[wicked sandal]

Animal protection?

[last bane]

sorry, there was "stonfire" before...

[round shore]

less damage taken from animal family, I think.

[umbral glade]

yea i couldnt figure out animal protection either

ah ok

added skill: bind

seems gone

friendship is way more exclusive, mostly on supportive pets, which is nice

reptile strikes power level is worthwhile enough that it feels good having it

[wicked sandal]

I mean I don't think a low level skill should be on a tier 3 bond, so I'm glad it's gone

well there's cases for some low tier utility skills on the right follower archetype but a low tier attack skill on a passive you can't get till t9-10 is ehhh

[last bane]

Bind can be useful against RS's or Pegasus, so on..

[umbral glade]

i'd rather just 1 shot the pegasus with a good move

[last bane]

but i don't think that pet's AI might consider using it

[umbral glade]

the friendship using pets have GIANT mana bonds

their hp bond is still kinda weak

~1k hp and ~13k mana

[last bane]

Better give us Visual Distance instead of hp? :D

[hasty knoll]

will be fixed shortly

[umbral glade]

fjalar now has a atk bond and reptile strikes, another crit move

[round shore]

I still love this

potential pvp shenanigans, too.
mighty slime auto-bastion 👌

[umbral glade]

dex bond on cactus is kinda nice too

[round shore]

I'm gonna start smithing up all my ornate serpent gear, should crack like 30k mana.

[umbral glade]

i am smithing up some random fomorian +1 target gear

maybe that will be the way to do towers

[last bane]

beta is lying down?

[umbral glade]

seems to work for me

damn the titans have some crazy bonds, level 3 being 30% atk and 30% magic bond with +ability build tower

and 2% view distance level 1 bond

level 2 another 8% atk and magic bond

[polar locust]

So it's better than in live?

[last bane]

show one of them?

[umbral glade]

oh fjalar is 100% sure better than live

[rugged glade]

... BeoH + Atlas giving Berserk and +38% atk/mag 👌

[umbral glade]

with this bond

BeoH doesnt have lvl 3 bond

[polar locust]

Yepieee

[round shore]

(also bond attack means your follower gets stronger, not your player.)

[umbral glade]

not 100% as in 2x as good

[rugged glade]

Ah. Sadness

[umbral glade]

but for sure better

[polar locust]

Damn

Those go hard

[rugged glade]

I forgot that the calculation of transferred stats is prior to the boosts in battle x)

[polar locust]

Yeah i understood, more reliable damage right?

[umbral glade]

yea its more likely to use a crit move

since it has 2 of those now

if we consider an even spread of its 4 abilities

its now 50% to crit instead of 33% when it only has evasive strikes, quad cut and aerial barrage

also the atk and dex bonds will help

[wicked sandal]

Build tower gives a status called 'towering', and I have absolutely no clue what it does

[umbral glade]

it heals you

tower titans use it too

they heal for like 5? max hp

so should you

[round shore]

hp regen

[polar locust]

That's cool

[umbral glade]

iirc tower titans heal for ~160ish k and they have 8ish m hp

[wicked sandal]

Ah, I had a missing health amity on so I didn't notice as I was already healing

[umbral glade]

it looks way more impressive when the titans use it

[quiet hill]

Sounds like the patch is going well, I appreciate that NF listens to us. Looking forward to it

[stoic epoch]

Are the bond skills still used only if the pet wouldn't otherwise act?

[stoic epoch]

Hey, can we get bonded crit on Fjalar? Like, to share some of our crit with the pet?

[polar locust]

A skill and bond att isn't enough for you? 😂😂

[stoic epoch]

https://tenor.com/view/meme-memes-wonder-woman-gif-19782520

Here's my reasoning: aerial barrage and reptile strikes can both crit

[polar locust]

More crit, more use of those skills

[stoic epoch]

Other classes can gear for crit builds

[polar locust]

Yeah

[stoic epoch]

Max crit we're getting on Fjalar is about 59%

[round shore]

"crit focused" pets that get bond crit instead of bond atk would be nice. just a different way to scale them, different gear to use depending on follower.

[stoic epoch]

And he can't benefit from crit amities

[round shore]

but also that doesn't have to happen for this beta

[stoic epoch]

No, the way it is now is fine

Just spitballing

[last bane]

I wonder what the base crit of the fjarl himself

[stoic epoch]

Wait, do pets have a base crit rating like players?

[sick tinsel]

That would be juicy

[lofty glen]

Whoa

[round shore]

putting it on VSS is a bit odd. never thought of VSS as a mage.
Onryo it fits a little better.

[warm finch]

you got.. extra.. spell rate and attack rate?
without touching debuff rate?

huh?

oh

it's VSS and onryo

[stoic epoch]

They both have the same att / mag

[warm finch]

I hate how discord clips screenshots

smh

Yeah they do, which is why at a glance I thought they were the same pet lmfao

[stoic epoch]

If you want the bond skills to go off you want to use the pet with less act rate, right?

[sweet pollen]

The bonds look so juicy i lowkey want to HoC into Beo

[stoic epoch]

Using Onryo to clear a horde non hard non boss as base Beo / Tamer. She basically always uses the aoe bond skills, but even redlining their damage is godawful. Range was from 600 ish to 20k ish, fully buffed and redlined.

Doesn't look like she splits damage

[cursive onyx]

If followers don't have a 100% act rate, shouldn't summons also work the same?

[noble stag]

Summons are already pretty bad for damage, and they are already designed for acting every turn

If they get changed to have specific movesets like followers then sure maybe

But rn they are literally just monsters on your side, and monsters are designed to act every turn

[last bane]

If they have protected GS at previous move - they can't hit in next one
That can make Summoners more ballance

[noble stag]

No clue if that's gonna be necessary since battalions got a nerf in beta already, so defense shouldn't be that bad

[round shore]

seems like a better discussion for #1097576473948344370 or #1084971196749201454 instead of this thread. 🤷‍♂️

[quiet hill]

Any word on when patch goes live? Feels like it's close and I'm excited

[misty acorn]

The dragons are my favorite pets, without them being in the beta I was wondering if you could let me know what they have? Hoping gory doesn't have a skill cause I like this db chance, and Ymir will keep on nuking 🙂 very happy the bond skills are fixed!

[round shore]

presumably they're all dragons -- which means wyrms/wyverns and wyrmseal.

[misty acorn]

Ymir can't crit so I do not want this lol

It would just kill turns in pvp by a lot

He already spends lots of time blighting so I'd request a change to that

Same with goryn, he doesn't need to be casting that

[sick tinsel]

well, since Odie abolished family restriction, you can have different bond on each

[round shore]

ymir could be magic archetype which'd be... bond magic, t.mag^, bolt volley.
gory could be support archetype which'd be... bond mp, friendship.

[misty acorn]

Since we cant test I have to bring them up to prevent them from being bad yeah

No one wants friendship

Lol

[round shore]

but then again, PD is dragon archetype.

despite being pretty much solely a support/healer/dispeller.

[misty acorn]

This isn't ornas best friends race

I get instantly turned off multi hit skills on a pet that uses single hits

Because I use these things for that reason, to do more m1 or whatever

Volley gonna do 0 in pvp when I wanna nuke with a good spell, fair?

I haven't commented on the bond type/stats that buff because I don't really mind what those are, they don't seem important for me

Just the pets skills

Goryn is my absolute favorite right now, I'd prefer no additional skill for him to be optimal, some people use him for the blights, some use for the divine bastion, but for blights there are way more options, so I propose either no skill or something on par with divine bastion

What if the devs didnt have to do all these manual changes and a section in the beastiary let you buy/choose/swap/remove these additional skills yourself?

[cursive onyx]

I just don't see why followers don't have 100% act rate. If that's the case they absolutely need more defense/res penetration. I don't get why summons get better penetration than followers with you only being able to use a single follower. 🤷‍♂️ Seems backwards. Just one person's thoughts, don't @ me.

[round shore]

as before, adding a new gearslot (or skillslot, in this case) would be another multiplication of player options; balance headache.
probably something worth avoiding.

[wicked sandal]

Summons don't necessarily get better penetration than followers, most commonly used followers just have low piercing moves

[misty acorn]

Let's not go there lol, the amount of gs feedback regarding opness in pvp says enough

[misty acorn]

It would definitely be a big thing but would prevent all these manual changes, and would add to making some more interesting builds, but you're right...

I have no idea how long it would take honestly

Manually changing each thing seems more painful over time. It also made me think that people will have completely different preferences in a bond skill

[misty acorn]

Trying not to sound fussy, im legitimately trying to think of the easiest solution for everyone even thinking of the future suggestions asking for pet changes to skills

[polar locust]

I think the bonds how it is now are pretty solid in the different pets

Improving the relationship between player/pet

[heavy valve]

with the changes, I might start investing on my beo on the side now 😂

the bond system seems like a neat thing overall

[quiet hill]

At first I was excited about the patch, then I was weary with loss of recharge. Now I'm back to excited. I'll miss recharge but I think mana siphon will help and the added content seems interesting.

I hope it goes live soon

[stoic epoch]

What about a self-harm skill that can't take you below 1 hp?

That'd be nice

Speaking of new skills

I'd buy that for a dollar.

[gentle wolf]

Looking at the current beta, changes are already being made.

Some level 3 BBs no longer have extra skills.

[south sleet]

rs will have to not die to gymir and edging first before this happens lol

[quiet hill]

I think that would be both too powerful and also encroaching on RS territory. I'd love it but I don't think it's a realistic ask

[round shore]

I don't think such a skill would be too powerful. It would also be usable by RS; if it was on something like BeoA, it might incentivize RSes to buy the celestial.
Kinda like how beo already wants to buy RS Dorado for quadedge (which massively speeds up raid setup, by like 6 turns).

That being said, hp math is kinda fun 😅 it going away is kind of a loss, albeit at the cost of a skill slot (where that matters).

[umbral glade]

We could call it very safe double edge

[round shore]

"safety edge" has a nice ring to it.
Gillette partnership? 🤔

[stoic epoch]

Odie's first sponsorship

[umbral glade]

Manscaped Safe Edge technology

[lime barn]

The best a beo can get

[south sleet]

an edging that will not end ruined

[warm finch]

Dull Razor.

[misty acorn]

So I'm testing Fafnir, I tried jord and he skips turns sometimes which I'd normally expect but is this supposed to happen with this bond stuff, I thought the no act bracket was supposed to make them use the bond skills... Used skadi and he can use the bond skill. Just wondering if this is intended with the new mechanic. It's quite confusing

I'm trying to test stuff in the arena and I'm getting absolutely murdered by gs. Like, I haven't won a single fight. Gs is still insanely op - just saying

[umbral glade]

ffs stop misquoting that "no act bucket" thing out of context without even readin his response after

[misty acorn]

Not gonna lie I kinda like this pet with these bond skills lol maybe because my build is not optimised and my options for testing are limited. I can't say I'd use this once it drops but it's pretty cool right now. Ws3 is nice

[umbral glade]

that shit is so fucking annoying

[misty acorn]

Be happy

[umbral glade]

its getting annoying

[misty acorn]

I don't sit in here all day reading everyone's corrections dude

I asked if it was supposed to do this instead of skipping turns

[umbral glade]

i told you twice just yesterday

[misty acorn]

It's confusing as hell

[umbral glade]

its not

its confusing if you quote 30% of what he said

while ignoring the first 30% and the last 40%

[misty acorn]

I don't read every single message dude there's been thousands

[umbral glade]

while ignoring his responses

[misty acorn]

He doesn't tag me

[umbral glade]

i did

multiple times

just yesterday

[misty acorn]

Sure but I can't take in every single thing a lot goes on in here

[umbral glade]

i see that posted wrong so much, at this point its like saying "ward scales with your mag stat" levels of wrong

[misty acorn]

Okay man I'll go back and read

[umbral glade]

here is the tldr

the conversation was about "diluting your move pool" to which his response was "pet first uses the no act bucket" if a move is added
if there is no "no act bucket" it will dilute the pool

it makes ZERO sense to add a move just for the pet to never be able to use it

ripping the "uses no act bucket" out of the context of "does it dilute the move poo" and then ripping out the "yes it will dilute if there is no no act bucket" is so stupid

sorry for the rant but this misinformation triggers me so hard as i explained it like 50 times by now and the same people do not care and continue to spread shit anyways

[misty acorn]

I'm not spreading anything, it's been said soooo many times and not by me, I guess it didn't soak in. I do not sit in here and read every single thing either. I searched it and doesn't seem like everyone understands either so it's obviously not simple, or it's so easily misconstrued lol

[umbral glade]

you dont read replies that have you tagged

?

there, last sentence of that screen

[misty acorn]

I'll just leave lol

[umbral glade]

"added move take away from the "no act" bucket before affecting use of other skills", as in, the priority is "does this pet has a chance to not act, if yes this chance is reduced in place of the added skill, if no, the new skill has the same chance as other skills"

nowhere does it say "only uses the added skills when the pet would otherwise not act"

[rocky rivet]

I think its fair to keep updating, since we're still beta testing anyway

[umbral glade]

i dont want you to leave, but it would be very nice if you listen to people responding to you

[rocky rivet]

It would be nice if we all chill out

[umbral glade]

yea, that just grinded my gear

you cant hold a conversation if basic facts keep getting wrong info'd

sorry for my rude tone

[sick tinsel]

@warm finch Could you pin this, please ?

Because even me didn't understood that

Miscommunication multiplied by misinterpretation equals massive misunderstanding,
slowing the whole process of testing, because people are proposing suggestions from a false statement

[misty acorn]

But it's so simple!!

-_-

That's what happened, so many people misunderstood

[sick tinsel]

That's why pins are here, to recall the important messages

[misty acorn]

But he told us soooooooo many times

[umbral glade]

dont make me look up everytime i did

[misty acorn]

I wouldn't read it anyway lol

[umbral glade]

apparently

[sick tinsel]

If you see people asking the same thing, just pin it.

[misty acorn]

Yeah and neither did anyone else

Apparently

[umbral glade]

which is why it annoyed me so much

imagine reading: "the highest level of investment into the passive rewards you with a new skill your pet can't use if it already has high activation rate"

doesnt that sound.. weird?

[misty acorn]

Dude everyone thought that made no sense. Don't carry this on, I saw multiple people misunderstand that

Who cares. We get it now

[umbral glade]

👍

[south sleet]

don't worry, we know you don't want your pet to use it anyway

[sick tinsel]

What I understood from Odie perspective, this idea of bonded skill is just here to be a secondary skill (and maybe less desirable) and avoid Pet doing nothing

Just a filler skill

[umbral glade]

there is also https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1097570738086621295/1104352769789399110/SmartSelect_20230506_182301_Discord.jpg

i still think the skills should never be the worst move of the pet

[sick tinsel]

Not too worst

just slightly inefficient

[umbral glade]

the idea of the skill being great is that some pets with skillsets that arent great would be instantly better

[umbral glade]

if you are still here, 👆 can be unpinned, that info is very much outdated

its a fun look back at what the first draft was thou lmao

[sick tinsel]

yep, gonna do the list of new bonded skills

[split heart]

Anyone know what Ophion's bond 3 "build tower" does?

Okay it finally proc'd: sets "Towering" status on player. Not sure what that does though.

[umbral glade]

5% hp reg

max hp

[south sleet]

pet sets off for a journey alone in a tower and returns to you with shards after a few hours

[split heart]

Oh awesome, thanks!

[split heart]

Lol now I wish that's what it was

[umbral glade]

it slowly build its own tower, every 1000 uses gets you 1 floor

[split heart]

I wouldn't mind that either lol, I have a lot of set routes I have to travel (deviations are rare) so I've not seen more than a few so far

Any kind of progression towards towers without having to be near one would be super cool lol

[umbral glade]

scouthawk in your keep

will usually point you to one or two

[split heart]

Yeah, I just can't go those ways :p. Work or private property.

Outide of that I'd have to go 10-20 miles out of my way from work or home, which I just don't have the time for. Still, that's the nature of towers I guess; I've resigned to the fact I likely won't make meaningful tower progress.

[umbral glade]

more than once they spawned in my OT

[split heart]

Lucky you. Never happened to me once lmao

I haven't had one spawn within walking or short driving distance. Rng, yeah, but still

I think this is off topic now though. Thanks for the chat!

[umbral glade]

the luck will come, vision distance helps, and to get it back to topic, the giants bond has vision distance

[split heart]

I will say ophion is a solid follower in the beta. Bonded ward is awesome, and summon fafnir never seems to fail (based on the follower's summon rate now?).

They aren't exactly powerful, but they're great meatshields

[umbral glade]

ward bond is not great atm, look at how much ward it gives you

but yes, once odie gets around to buff it to a noticeable level it will be nice

[polar locust]

How much would be good to you?

[umbral glade]

idk but more than 1k

its hard to say

if you have 30k ward, getting 5k seems great

if you have 200k

5k gets back to being unnoticable

[polar locust]

Like 10k then?

[umbral glade]

i advocated for other ward related things, as i think flat ward is very hard to get to feel good

increased ward turns gained by 1
ward recovery
ward absorption

something providing like 4% ward recovery would feel nice for 30k ward players, as its a scarce stat and it would feel good for 200k ward player

[split heart]

Personally any amount of ward helps me since I gear dex and crit

Lol

[umbral glade]

on base beo or beoA?

[split heart]

But I admit the amount is a little inconsequential in t10

[umbral glade]

since beoH doesnt get access tot his

[split heart]

Base

[umbral glade]

yea okay i can see that

[split heart]

I have like 5 tower floors done on live lmao, like 20 shards. Nowhere near celestials yet

[quiet hill]

Binding fan?

[stoic epoch]

Mortal Kombat style pet Finishers.

[polar locust]

A whole animation for "finish him"

[stoic epoch]

I mean, we've already got "Friendship".

https://tenor.com/view/friends-mortal-combat-friendship-rainbow-90s-gif-5493281

[rough lotus]

Brutality exclusive for Animal Family

[gentle wolf]

Animality lol

[quiet hill]

Conversation died down, should I take it that the community is generally happy with the patch?

[polar locust]

Yeah, the situation atm is pretty good for bonds

[elder kettle]

Nah, im not happy about changes on Very Scary Skeleton and other "undead" but my opinion is not even worth of fighting about. I just give up with vision of playing necromancer like character on higher lvls.

[polar locust]

Why?

Can always talk about it

[elder kettle]

I was happy when i saw that VSS got "summon undead" because as a pet with good dmg and great debuff he was really usefull and "summon undead" give decoys that can tank dmg for you... I know its not that great as could be but its suits more for "undead" group than 3 lvl bond that gives you 4 elemental spells. And as i mentioned before, I wanted play necromancer with some undead army. But after necromancer its impossible because summon undead its not working anymore.

Bonded resist was "meh" and bonded hp and mana is better for sure

Its just my funny preferences, not any big brain balance stuff or serious idea

[polar locust]

Oh alright

[obsidian vector]

I mean, isn't the whole idea of 'Calls' in this game to make your pet do the thing you want. Isn't this will be contradictory to calls system if they make the every pet spells good

[split heart]

Personally, rather than have 3 good spells out of 5, I'd prefer something like 2 attack/debuff spells, 2 buffs, and 1 utility. The calls would then prioritize whichever you need for the situation.

The idea of having bad or useless spells as part of a follower's kit to make calls relevant is strange to me, and feels bad.

[last bane]

I was thinking, and what if BeoO would be stronger itself than BoeH
I mean BeoH have just DragonSlayer passive & Hybrid to boost his damage

BeoO has Hybrid and Valhalla Dissonance with x1.5 at 1hp...and good-acting pet with 3 Bonds

[quiet hill]

As a player it's natural to want all skills be good, but I think when there is RNG it's actually better to have a little bit of undesirable stuff in there. Not all pets should have this, but I think it's OK for some.

Emphasis on the little part though

[umbral glade]

Thats not how calls work thou. It makes it more or less likely, but in no way guarantee's anything.
The "added skills should be among the best" is just so that getting level 3 bonds is never a downgrade. Imagine going from level 2 bond on baha to level 3 on beo and suddenly your pet is worse than it was. That's not cool.

Also discussion died down a bit is due to the weekend, as in no updates, not due to everything being great, so its just postponed until the next changes 👍

[misty acorn]

I got my account mirrored, I lose 5k attack on my hydrus sweep build, jesus

[round shore]

from the selene aug change?

[misty acorn]

Yeah

so I use the Lute + questing bow and orn gear sweepage

lose quite a lot in pvp as well, since i use a couple in my axe

That nerf is rouuuugh lol

[round shore]

it's pretty small 😅 given that the buff was nuuuuuuuts two months ago

we're still stronger than we were pre-towers, by a lot

[misty acorn]

since my stats are so high its a big difference haha

Yeah im not saying its nerfed too much, just a lot less attack

Still dont really oppose it

I was thinking its okay, the stat buffs will compensate 😛 they didnt, but its okay. I didnt abuse hands of selene of the crit adorns since release just cause theyre too cheese in pvp

Whoa okay what changes were done to beo auriga?

cause holy damn

i have 640k ward

[round shore]

compared to what on live? this is... "bonded ward" doing something crazy?

[misty acorn]

Im just using cactus man

[round shore]

🤔

[misty acorn]

sheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeesh

[round shore]

bonded mana... counting for base ward? if so that seems probably incorrect.

[misty acorn]

holy shit lmao

aight going beo h and going for the record bois

[round shore]

if it is from bond mana, beoH with BB2 wouldn't get most of the base mana

[misty acorn]

okay

almost 1m ward

HAHAHHA

[round shore]

that's up there with 220k attack Lindworm 😆 fun math this beta

[misty acorn]

whats the pet that gives the most ward

ill try rhada

1m ward is almost enough to beat an al10 GS in pvp

so i change pets and my ward didnt change, even if the pets give ward etc

Does this mean that theres possibly a bug that just gives me all the bonds or something?

[round shore]

could also be a viz bug? try restarting client after changing pets around

[misty acorn]

ive restarted yeah

ill try random stuff and see

The only thing that looks to be changing is my dexterity

Actually hold on, maybe you should test it and see what changes. the bonds that affect my mana, hp and ward arent doing anything but the rest do. Its the first time trying this out so maybe if someone is familiar with the bands and stats etc give it a go

[rocky rivet]

530k ward with max ward gear and fey cactus (no bonded hp/mp/ward) 🍝

oh it's affected by hp. world load out gives me 286k ward on the same gear

[round shore]

pvp is (not quite) double ward? o_O

(same loadout in both tabs, world and pvp tab)

[rocky rivet]

hello first-turn SS3 meta

[umbral glade]

I talked a bunch about bonded ward being weak but this was not what i had in mind

[round shore]

it has nothing to do with with Beo or bonds

[umbral glade]

That being said, is lower mana bind but it effecting max ward better than a huge mana pool but no changes to max mana

[round shore]

same without tamer spec

[umbral glade]

Thats one way to balance dmg power creep

[round shore]

this is a more general change to pvp. ~doubling ward

I would guess it's not intended but who knows

[umbral glade]

Well, its still only 50% absorb turn one so just ward aint helping much

Weird, my mirrored char has the same ward as on live

[rocky rivet]

in pvp tab?

[umbral glade]

Ah pvp only

[round shore]

Def. not just a viz bug, at any rate.

[umbral glade]

Yea okay in pvp its higher

I guess it takes the dbl hp from pvp now into the ward calc

200k mag TMM vs 800k ward in pvp

[sweet pollen]

This is fun

[misty acorn]

Oh gosh so its just everywhere? lol

Thought i was trippin

You think this will stick? cause dude i aint ever dying if this is the case lol

[umbral glade]

Yea unless somebody kills through the 50% absorb turn 1

Snall bias towards wildfire

[misty acorn]

I have almost 1 million ward

soooooooooooooooooooooooooo

if I go max that is

thats like all ward items and cata

[rocky rivet]

those GS will still get you

[misty acorn]

still die to a single hydra

rofl

[south sleet]

they don't care about your 100k def/res anyway

[misty acorn]

maybe theyre just playing around with stuff

haha my res didnt change so they still would kill me in a turn

[south sleet]

still going to pierce

but at least beo now actually has scaling

[misty acorn]

when i first mentioned the ward thing, i was only checkng the status page, but now im in the arena, it looks like everyones ward has sky rocketed

[umbral glade]

Yea at that amount of ward you would die from hp loss since you dont have eivine bastion

[misty acorn]

is beo redline damage in the beta to test?

player damage that is

[round shore]

yes. should be 1.5x player stats at 1hp (c.t. 2.25x pet stats at 1hp).

[misty acorn]

sweet, ill try it out

theres no strong players with phoenix to see if cactus can do more than 0

Is there any plans to make the ai use Tower Of Strength from the Rhada shield?

it completely ignores it currently

I went to test heart of change as well, and its current not refunding in full

I have a screenshot of a deity ascension i had, and I didnt even get back all a certain material from that level alone

one material cost was 3582 and I only got back 2391 from HoC TOTAL

Not that its final so maybe not a big deal

[quaint maple]

It should be refunding all materials fine - evidence that it is not would be helpful if there's a bug

[misty acorn]

sure I have it right here!

[quaint maple]

You can place it in the beta bugs channel

[misty acorn]

can do

[round shore]

could be that the random seed that determines material costs is different on beta than on live

[misty acorn]

maybe, they can just double check if I post the screeny

[misty acorn]

@quaint maple I think fux is correct, my beowulf 106 materials are completely different here than in live

maybe not worth posting?

[round shore]

quick test would be: ascend something from 0->1, then use a HoC (all on beta).

anyway not really #1097570738086621295 😅

[misty acorn]

Yup youre right

[sweet pollen]

I did that a while ago, it does work

0-20 on a Sandbox char and i got all mats back

[misty acorn]

can also confirm. Its best the seeds dont match actually so you cant practice HoCing lol

Equipping a weapon lowers my pet stats on BeoO

[round shore]

what adorns in that lute? -pet stat selene hands?

[misty acorn]

okay ignore me, see im not used to these mechancis yet lmao

Thats the dumbest thing anyones ever said in here

jfc

Thats not even a bad drop then

[round shore]

looks like a combination of +mag from bondmagic and -petstat from the augs 😅

[warm finch]

I'm torn between reacting with a or a 🫂

[misty acorn]

Either is fine rofl

Ill leave that comment for all to see

I was thinking like oh man ill be able to boost magic like crazy with my lute, completely forgetting it takes pet stats away

I set and forgot this thing ages ago

[round shore]

it's only the base value of atk/mag on gear that works for bonds.
stuff like hybrid offense bonus, 2hand bonus, etc. doesn't affect it.

ascension should (now) affect it.

[sick tinsel]

• pet stats : barely noticeable

• pet stats : hurt like hell

[misty acorn]

Thats probably good

Fuxs thing, not Forgeus' thing

Damn looks like Ill have to make a wardy magic item for my mage pets

I have 450k shards saved ill just make another lute lol

490k*

[sick tinsel]

Hybrid items seems useful for BeoO
For BeoA, maybe using Arisen Imagination with Pet stat adorn

[round shore]

+stat is still a big deal, fwiw.

for max manabond pet: celestial lute w/ pet stat augments, offhand kalamari w/ goat eyes or dooms
for max attackbond pet: celestial lute w/ pet stat augments, offhand finsword w/ goat eyes or dooms
... I think.

for armors, it's a little tougher.
e.g. heretics robe v. azure pinion fey chimera armor is fairly close, with hererobe being slightly higher.

[misty acorn]

Ill give it a whirl right now

I highly doubt I will use pet stat augs tho

Theyre just not effective enough

Every time ive tried any sort of pet damage build over defensive/ward you just suffer

and you dont get much out of it

I stacked pet gear and adorns on beoa and I couldnt even tell they were on half the time

[sick tinsel]

Mmh, does Stat adorns/items are better than Pet stat adorns/items ?
Cause we can use that as a proof to buff Pet stats

[misty acorn]

I dont use either

The gear that gives follower stats arent good enough in my opinon

Id just stack ward and avoid it, but thats just me

[sick tinsel]

Yep, every time you want to increase your pet stat there is a counterpart

[misty acorn]

The downfall of beo haha, thats why theyre so easy to till in pvp and were low on that list

[sick tinsel]

Meanwhile Summoners : "A counterpart ?"

[misty acorn]

people try and chase pet damage and just die instantly

[sick tinsel]

Bestial eyes decrease every stats
Doom Symbol decrease HP & Mana
Beowulf Jewel decrease pet act

only rare items like Freyja Charm can boost both Pet act and stats without counterpart

But 10% stats and 4% act is weak

[misty acorn]

I was referring to the way the pet stats are calc'd

okay trying legs of selene now

[sick tinsel]

Yeah, Odie will have to choose between buffing the stats or reworking pet stat bonus calculation

[misty acorn]

10%x5

probs worth like 20%

15

will see

lol

even with 50% follower stats AND 1293 magic from the lute I only get +25% magic on anubis

pathetic

[sick tinsel]

and your best weapons increases how much ?

[misty acorn]

and thats with hybrid as well

on beoO

[sick tinsel]

Hybrid Monster passive doesn't work with bonded

[noble stag]

Who summons me

[misty acorn]

Oh yeah that right

But yeah 50% stats and then some all that magic

[sick tinsel]

You summoned yourself
Begone you filth

[noble stag]

Summon stat increasing gear is so bad defensively and gives you such a small boost because boosts are additive that summoners don't end up using it over pure tank gear

On summon builds atleast

[misty acorn]

The cheese class thread is that way

[noble stag]

So this is actually pretty relatable

Oh btw, did you guys know that summoner gear got reworked to Valhallan/summoner xd

Never knew this was a thing, but I guess grand attuning robes are a Valhallan item now

[sick tinsel]

They want us to become the new Beommoner

[misty acorn]

oh and the lute adds 7% follower stats too

7%+50%+1293 magic anubis goes from 15k to 20k magic only lol

blah i wont be using this again just wanted to test

[noble stag]

Ah yes, a Valhallan item

This greatly benefits my follower!

I think you guys will agree neither class wants their gear merged with the other, it feels weird

Given we have entirely separate mechanics

[misty acorn]

i couldnt care less

[round shore]

Don't knock it 'til you try it

[misty acorn]

When all the beos went GS at least they had gear to use haha

[sick tinsel]

Under DC and Lugus, weak af

[misty acorn]

Can we not talk about sumoners

lol

[round shore]

it's a very WIP, only just now figuring out the math for it 😅

[round shore]

that's a beowulf, sir.

[noble stag]

I'll go work on my GS follower build

[misty acorn]

LOLOL

[noble stag]

Aight sure I'll see myself out

[misty acorn]

I had no way of knowing that was beo lol

[round shore]

it has a follower 👌

[misty acorn]

oh right

Thats amazing then

How neat

[sick tinsel]

Btw only the pet as 100% summoning chance ? Beowulf can't summon properly, so you will always need a summoning pet

[misty acorn]

Oh? does he not fail all the time now?

[sick tinsel]

There was some ideas of using support pet to buff the summons, but heh

[sick tinsel]

Odie reworked

[misty acorn]

Oh thats kinda awesome ngl

[sick tinsel]

I don't know how it can be useful

[round shore]

it's a fun little side project.

"followers that summon things" have changed a few times. smartAI appears to affect their summoning rate now (while you don't have full summons), and they benefit from +summonstat on gear. now that summoner/valhallan gear is combined, you can use all the +summonstat summoner gear. benefactor spec, too.

[misty acorn]

Is this in live?

Cause this is really cool lol

[round shore]

that pic is on beta, but I've been testing stuff on and off on live.

idk if it's a big time meta anything, but it's definitely fun to tinker with.

[misty acorn]

The fail rate was kinda annoying cause it would just waste turns

Nah wont be meta, but honestly having rando summons when doing dungeons cant hurt lol

[round shore]

it'd be bad for dungeons. w/o Guidelight passive, the summons won't persist across floors.

[misty acorn]

OH

[sick tinsel]

When I say it sucks, it SUCKS

[misty acorn]

if theres a detail to forget tonight, im forgetting it lol

I should go to bed haha

[sick tinsel]

Unless Odie adds more secret passive to summoning follower

Good night

Btw, does Summons from pets scale with Beowulf Ascension passive ?

[round shore]

I don't think so. No Ascended Summons passive.

[sick tinsel]

Absolutely forgettable

[misty acorn]

Lol i had deity on when i took that asc screenshot and my opponent lost to my ai

Ooooof

im gonna try that pet in live now with beo

just to see what it does

wow this is crazy

they have like no health

but its still cool

Towerfall is such a shit move

[round shore]

Adding guidelight to benefactor would be cool. Let non-summoners do a little offsummoning, and it wouldn't change anything for existing summoners with benefactor spec (getting the same passive twice to no effect).

Anyway. I'm not sure what the big remaining things are for Valhallan in this beta.

• Still several bond skills that are mismatched or undesirable
• Still some of the bond stats that seem weird -- defensive bonds (hp, mp, ward, def, res). bondatk/bondmag seem okay...?
• Lindworm is gonna be GG raiding pet and the others I don't think compete with it
• New lizards seem okay...?

[sick tinsel]

Multi-elemental that doesn't ignore resistances/immunities are

[misty acorn]

After they fixed those bad skills I havent seen much discussion

Seems like its pretty good, i wanna test the dragons real bad

If they mess up my son of mountains or ymir i will literally cry

@round shore i got my faf to get 33k hp

it was 1.2k with no boosts lol

omg its doing damage haha

9k, look at him go

just bene takes them from 2k hp to 26k hp, thats kind of incredible

[round shore]

goes from -90% stats (no summoner passive/default), +130 from benefactor, to +40% stats.

[misty acorn]

Damn

[round shore]

that's the best I can do, I think.

[misty acorn]

I didnt use the summon % weapons, i wanted to see if I could attack as well as have them do something, which they did not

but its still fun lol

I wonder if the ward is gonna stay like this lol

Anubis is kinda freaking good with some added power damn, i like this

[polar cypress]

Tbh if every class had guidelight won't be that big difference

[noble stag]

I feel like it should just be a built in thing

The only thing where I can see it being an issue is endless

Imagine current GS endless but with other classes

[umbral glade]

just haven 4-5 physical immune meatshields would get other classes much deeper in endless

[polar cypress]

Oh right, I don't care about endless so I always forget it

[umbral glade]

understandable

[polar cypress]

Guidelight on beo could help me to cheese hordes tho

Since summons increase the number of mobs per floor

Unless it changed in the small timeframe I retired

[misty acorn]

Imagine if arrowstorm actually went through defense that would be so cool 😎

5k big damage

And this is many turns in lol

It did 0 at the start

[noble stag]

Wait I don't understand did ward just get doubled in PvP?

[misty acorn]

Everyone's did haha 😂

[noble stag]

Isn't that absolutely insane for spiked shield?

Lol

[misty acorn]

No idea why

But yeah it might get changed back, not sure

[noble stag]

If they want to make PvP fights last longer I guess it kinda makes sense

But spiked shield should get a nerf in PvP for sure if this stays

[misty acorn]

Its pretty dependant on attack stat, it's pretty random

The fact it just doubled with no info lol

I'm sure we'll find out eventually

Can't fix everything 😂

[umbral glade]

giving every person dbl ward in pvp and reducing spike shields ward dmg scaling by half is an idea

just reducing all damage would lead to def/res being too strong

difficult to balance this

[noble stag]

Doubling ward won't fix oneshots thougj

[umbral glade]

yea

50% absorbation can still be 1 shotted by just getting hp to 0

[misty acorn]

1 shot is always gonna be a thing, its how a lot of classes work

I get 1 shotted by summons all the time 🤣 but yeah dont worry about it

[umbral glade]

honestly, pvp in this game is flawed beyond saying

[misty acorn]

offense vs defense is completely different yes

[umbral glade]

not enough mechanics to fine tune

[noble stag]

It didn't use to be like this but damage got way way way powercrept

[misty acorn]

1 shots been around forever

the crit augs didnt exactly help tho

[noble stag]

Well yes sure but not on this scale

[umbral glade]

normalize gear, AL and level, like guild wars 1/2

but that has its own problems

[misty acorn]

gw1 was life dude

[umbral glade]

if everybody had the same item possibilities on the same level with the same access to everything, it can be balanced

[misty acorn]

well cactus still smells in pvp and cant hit anything using dc

[umbral glade]

in ymir we trust (who just surrenders against GS)

[misty acorn]

but.... i did use the lute with 5x 10% follower stats and he goes through

i have entered fights with ymir on vs gs accidently

it did not end well

stacking a lute with pet stats is actually doing something

[summer gulch]

Doubled ward is not bug?

[misty acorn]

Hello 😄

[summer gulch]

It's for all builds too?

[misty acorn]

It looks like it man!

[summer gulch]

And hi fellow gsum hater

[misty acorn]

looks like its beta-wide

I thought it was just me cause it happened as i got my mirror lol

[summer gulch]

Thats scary ngl, so much value to sheilds up amity

And gilga

[summer gulch]

All the beos ik went gsum 😭

[misty acorn]

og chim and pet stats is absolutely terrifying

[summer gulch]

So I felt that when you mentioned that

I'm hoping beoA is pog

[misty acorn]

Well theyll be pretty gutted once this patch drops lol

Its vastly better

[summer gulch]

I'd say id look forward to gsum pvp nerf but certain eggs say that's bullying

[misty acorn]

Im testing vs my mirror

I do more damage, BUT the main thing ive discovered is that stackign pet stats(the 5x10% follower augments) is actually doing huge

before it was like meh

Might just be my ascension cause stats > pet stats now

[summer gulch]

Has odie comment on double ward buff?

[misty acorn]

but hot damn

[summer gulch]

My dooooooms

You convinced me to take them out, which I never did, but now they are like zamn??

[misty acorn]

You should use the augments

on an axe, so you get ward as well

you still need ward

[summer gulch]

I need the lute

[misty acorn]

youre too frail

The lute is nice 😄

[summer gulch]

But yea I'm only on ax

[misty acorn]

The hyrbid passive apparently doesnt help the pet

so axe is gooood

even if you threw like 2-3 in and the rest defensive ones

which is probably what ill do

Lindworm needs a serious nerf

I can do like 500k instantly

its stupid

[summer gulch]

Yea might be pet stat+ with regen gems too

[summer gulch]

Shhhh he's is my new speed raid pet

[misty acorn]

I wont use it btw its too cheap

haha fjalar can do pretty well, only because lindworm takes 2 turns to attack

But yeah lindworm does more, i can do the cap with dc and lugus easy

i easted it lol

6.7m no lugus

things die before i can proc it haha

[umbral glade]

well you finally got the payout for investing 106 AL into it

[summer gulch]

Benadryl and Lind with beoA isn't bad. Same turn mark exe sometimes

Benadryl 1 and 2 really do be helping out mark, less there is hoard

[misty acorn]

People are gonna look at ascension actually give a shit now lol 😂