i do like 1,6-1,8m on live
#Valhallan Changes
umbral glade
sick tinsel
Noice, If you mirrorred you account you can try this on Beta
umbral glade
if that turns into 5,1 it would be pretty sick tbh
sick tinsel
and in 2 turns
umbral glade
its more than 2 turns
since its not guaranteed to mark->execute
it still uses stuff like magic hammer
sick tinsel
yup, but with pet IA, there is less inconstancy
umbral glade
it still uses non combo spells like atleast 30% of the time
more than that tbh
ofc, 25% double act corrects that a bit
~6m dmg on beta
tulip tundra
Wrymseal can cause windswept
umbral glade
w/o temp atk
ah nice the damage preview in the skill selection screen got updated
it now shows x-y damage (x4)
Re: dealing damage with execute every second turn
But yea it does good damage 
umbral glade
per hit yes, but if it uses a execution every third turn its much less impressive
that being said, still might just be overtuned
ivory birch
"might" 😅
stoic epoch
Hey now, don't be jelly. This is the first nice thing Beo's have had in years.
You can always come join us.
One of us.
One of us.
sick tinsel
stoic epoch
Become one with the Beo Collective.
umbral glade
there is at least like 6 or 7 of us already
stoic epoch
The few, the proud, the stubborn: Beo mains.
last totem
Thats turn one Realmsrikes 2 with BeoH on live.
So the current beta numbers for Lindworm seems reasonable. 🤔
sick tinsel
Thats turn one Realmsrikes 2 with BeoH on live.
So the current beta numbers for ...
what about post crit nerf ?
polar locust
🥲
last totem
what about post crit nerf ?
Got not much time for testing recently.
Need to kill dragons on beta for buff Stack, I'll post a more accurate comparison on that later
gentle wolf
So the skills at lv3 BB are supposed to be added to the followers load out? I'm not seeing my golem use Boulder Toss at all. Is there something more to this I'm missing?
polar locust
So the skills at lv3 BB are supposed to be added to the followers load out? I'm ...
It just uses when you have low act rate in your gear
To replace the not act
umbral glade
To replace the not act
This is still wrong
Well, not wrong
But it doesn't only replace "not act"
polar locust
Yeah i understand
umbral glade
Bouldertoss might be a bit buggy i couldnt get that to work at all whenever i tested it
If you test other follower families you will see their skills being activated more frequently
last bane
Bouldertoss might be a bit buggy i couldnt get that to work at all whenever i te...
Tryed it in party?
umbral glade
Party no
With a field full of summons yes
last bane
Okay
polar locust
If you test other follower families you will see their skills being activated mo...
With lind, if i have ai gear, still uses wyrm and wyvern frequently?
I didn't test it
Like, not frequently, with me without ai gear it used that 2 skills when the battle starts, then dont use them again which is cool
polar locust
Without ai gear?
umbral glade
Thats with beoA and 2 sources of ai boost in the weapon
polar locust
Hmm
umbral glade
And brynhild
polar locust
Need to do more raids to see how it is
umbral glade
So i maybe just bad luck
rough lotus
It feels like this Valhallan topic is the coolest and most important part of the beta judging by the number of messages and content.
umbral glade
That being said, it deals better damage when it hits 💪
Half of the messages in here are me pressing enter way to much 🥲
But yea we got the biggest changes
rough lotus
Still beats realmshifter which is the 2nd
umbral glade
Realm had a new passive thats nice to have
We needed a big boost in dmg and it took a bit to get the idea of the passive to a point that seems good
rough lotus
Summoner Nerf 3rd heart of change 4th ultima nerf 5th
polar locust
That being said, it deals better damage when it hits 💪
That's probably gonna be nerfed right
umbral glade
Since bonds are a bit more creative way than just saying "well you do 60% more dmg now"
polar locust
Odie maybe did the math wrong or is intentional?
umbral glade
The scaling on the worm seems a bit high
But that being said, its not like you cam do that dmg per turn
Sometimes it just refuses to mark/execute for 5 turns
polar locust
Sometimes it just refuses to mark/execute for 5 turns
Normal day with lind
Keeps using magic when i have gunnr
umbral glade
Yea but if we say 8m per execution, doing that every second turn would be very high, doing that every 4 turns might just be in line with other classes
umbral glade
Problem with that is, its turbo rng, so if you get 3 auriga procs in a row and it marks/execute every time, suddenly you dealt 8m per turn
That is at 246/20
polar locust
So me 238/4 would get like 4/5? 🤔 Or not that many
last bane
We are still waiting for some new skills in this beta?
umbral glade
Thats with some normal rarity Jewels of creation and a 5x pet stat celestial
polar locust
I only have the boots that prevents bleeding, i think it gives a little of follower stats
summer gulch
Lyon exe feels like a t10 skill on a what t6 pet?
polar locust
Yeah
polar locust
Arisen lind would be idk
umbral glade
If i could pick one pet i want ro be great its (arisen) Glashtyn
Thats my favorite damage pet in concept
polar locust
The one that deals dark?
umbral glade
Dark sigil
polar locust
It's pretty cool, but very mobs are immune to that
umbral glade
And aoe dark damage that deals increasing damage based on enemy debuffs
polar locust
It's pretty cool, but very mobs are immune to that
(that's why isn't that great)
summer gulch
And aoe dark damage that deals increasing damage based on enemy debuffs
It's a cryptid, so shares bonds mimics have?
Or
summer gulch
Oh in my codex he is listed cryptid
polar locust
Is that good
polar locust
He's the one with reptile strikes, there are other pets with that skill?
summer gulch
He and lizaar afaik
polar locust
He doesn't gonna appear on live right?
umbral glade
Yea
polar locust
If that uses it as much like fjalar uses aerial barrage, might be good
polar locust
If that uses it as much like fjalar uses aerial barrage, might be good
Or even better
summer gulch
So legendary aura pet
polar locust
If that uses it as much like fjalar uses aerial barrage, might be good
@umbral glade it uses reptile frequently?
umbral glade
Give me a Minute
My phone recording is too high quality for the data limit on discord
polar locust
Record it on 480p or something 💀
summer gulch
<@334694888614526976> it uses reptile frequently?
7% act on beoA tamer is like what 40ish % spell after?
7% spell act
last bane
You can make lower quality in settings
summer gulch
Oh then pog
umbral glade
Dmg moves are nice
polar locust
7% act on beoA tamer is like what 40ish % spell after?
That's better then Fjalar, odie said barrage normally is 20%
tulip tundra
Idk seems kinda broken me
polar locust
Or something
polar locust
Idk seems kinda broken me
summer gulch
Idk seems kinda broken me
This is just a lizard puppy
polar locust
It feels like this Valhallan topic is the coolest and most important part of the...
I saw now is the chat with more messages lol, beos exciting
umbral glade
That's better then Fjalar, odie said barrage normally is 20%
He gave an example of how moves are distributed, that wasnt exact numbers
summer gulch
He gave an example of how moves are distributed, that wasnt exact numbers
So does 🪸 varmint rep strike often?
polar locust
I hope it gets added to live next update
umbral glade
polar locust
It didn't do the attack there
umbral glade
That thing does work
polar locust
Or it did? The resolution is low to see xd
umbral glade
It didnt i think i just did a few seconds recording in hopes of discord accepting it
But reptile strikes does crot and its his best dmg move
It does use sharpen, but very infrequently, which is a t.atk+ buff
summer gulch
Oh it doesn't even need rep strike, okay dmg outside that normally. Would like to see more crits tho from rep
last bane
And at 1hp BeoA has 100% pet acting chance, so we'll never see that move?
umbral glade
Ill upload a longer video but my upload speed is not good
umbral glade
And at 1hp BeoA has 100% pet acting chance, so we'll never see that move?
This is still wrong info
Get it out of your head
That pets dont use the added skill on 100% act
last bane
Okaaay okay x)
umbral glade
A 70s video is uploading but that takes like 20min
It does use lizarr strikes even with 100% act, just not in that 10 seconds clip
polar locust
Seems like the same as Fjalar uses aerial barrage?
umbral glade
Kinda
Little t7 brother
Poor arisen glashtyn doesn't have a Mag bond, needs t.mag+++ to reach other pets damage w/o it
umbral glade
I like the idea of increasing his damage by debuffing the enemy
If i could use stuff like miasma or blind dart or swordsplay with a weapon that debuffs with heretic + status jewels
That would be a new way to play
summer gulch
That's valid
umbral glade
But sadly many mobs are immune to dark
summer gulch
Back in the day I was very dot build oriented, but dot fell off bc immunity became meta
umbral glade
And he wants to apply sigils to everything before using his aoe
umbral glade
He would need aoe sigils and to be able to deal dmg to stuff with his sigil applied
Glashtyn would be perfect for this "unique bonds for some pets" idea.
Lvl1: dark sigil applies to all enemies
Lvl2: enemies start fights with a dark sigil on them
Bonded mag 10%
Lvl3: dark damage to enemies with a dark sigil will be resisted instead of immune'd
Bonded magic 10%
Playing around the dark element, making players better at it, enabling the pet to be good at higher bonds
summer gulch
Arnt mf rarity pets gonna all get reworked bonds to suit them eventually
Rumor
But
I thought I heard that on road map
umbral glade
I havent heard that, idk
Ymir could be like
1: prismatic blight affects all enemies
2: better elemental weakness damage
Bonded mag
3: blighted enemies resist instead of immune that element
Bonded mag
summer gulch
Bruh aoe blight would be great
umbral glade
summer gulch
Ymir could be like
1: prismatic blight affects all enemies
2: better elemental...
B3 feels too strong I'd nuke the world
umbral glade
Yea idk, no experience with balance, i just shout out ideas
summer gulch
Naur that great you seem very invested
umbral glade
Quality for the YouTube thing takes a bit to be HQ
summer gulch
Throw spaghetti at the wall till it stick amirite 🤷♂️
umbral glade
Some of it did stick and thats kinda cool
stoic epoch
I've only had empowered pet stats for about 12 hours, but if anything happened to them I'd be very sad.
Seriously though, I'm proud of us. We stuck with the class through the bad and didn't chase the meta.
Now, hopefully we won't ever have to worry about that again.
rugged glade
Quick note to say I'm really happy about where the patch is going (BB, transferred stats, VD boosting def/res, better base stats...). I'm not participating that much, but it's just because all is more or less on the right trick o/
polar locust
https://youtu.be/7pP7SiOrrBM
Looks better then fjalar
last bane
BeoA too?
polar locust
Back n to normal.
🥲
primal gulch
https://youtu.be/7pP7SiOrrBM
Could you please share you equipment ?
polar locust
Could you please share you equipment ?
It uses a celestial lute full of follower stats
stoic epoch
I've got one, if you want to see it
stoic epoch
It uses a celestial lute full of follower stats
My set doesn't.
At least not for beta testing purposes
stoic epoch
I'm dumb, ignore me
polar locust
Haha np
stoic epoch
Odie, coding Gaits to restrict pets to using only physical or magical attacks has been a popular ask during the beta. What are the chances this could be done?
round shore
+450 attack on beoA over beoO isn't bad. that should be beoA's enhanced bond effect being greater than beoO's base stats.
lofty glen
Oooooof
round shore
wait hold up I fucked up
lofty glen
round shore
bad comparison, retaking ss
round shore
BeoO v. BeoA in the beta.
63 ascension, tamer spec, onc feychim smart, dual finsword of dooms, Carl's rings.
more like... +220 attack going from beoO -> beoA with same gear.
summer gulch
is lind buff but not as buff now?
wicked sandal
lind still very buff
wicked sandal
I can get close to 4m executes with pretty standard loadouts and no fancy temp buffs or zerks
summer gulch
buffs or zerk? not both
round shore
BeoA live v. beta, same gear
round shore
seeing a 1.35x attack stat going from live to beta, which is M1, which is effectively DPS
polar locust
I can get close to 4m executes with pretty standard loadouts and no fancy temp b...
What about 3 or zerk 3 and zerk 2 and t.att3?
round shore
how 100 act
I'm... not sure. either beo or tamer or both were changed in the beta to provide way more act rate than before.
wicked sandal
What about 3 or zerk 3 and zerk 2 and t.att3?
idk, using zerks is pain
round shore
the gear is identical between screenshots
summer gulch
does 100 act mess with exe?
round shore
I have act rate on gear. but the act rate also changes live -> beta
wicked sandal
and the hp regen weapons are staves, so they're not good for lindy
who wants an attack weapon
stoic epoch
Are you using a Celestial lute with pet stats adorns?
polar locust
idk, using zerks is pain
Would be cool to test out
wicked sandal
fallen sky valhallan
wicked sandal
well armor and boots are interchangeable there, but yes
round shore
Final test: BeoA tamer macolyte, comparing here robe to feychim chest
this looks good. +600 mag going hererobe over feychim (generic +stats) chest here.
makes sacrificing good armor for dangerous (low ward, mana cost up) armor actually worthwhile.
wicked sandal
Speaking of macolyte, did anyone try magical followers yet
round shore
I still don't get Carl ring
it's just random +player stats 🤷♂️
summer gulch
Attk
south sleet
wait, how does it go from 66 to 100 act?
round shore
wait, how does it go from 66 to 100 act?
beta changes. idk if intentional
oh wait those are both on beta
haha
bug found? 😬
south sleet
you gained 34 act by losing act on items? huh?
round shore
stoic epoch
Are we getting a pet act.multiplier?
south sleet
-7 ok that looks right
round shore
-7 act rate doesn't quite match with feychim gear though. idkwtf is going on there tbh
round shore
fey chim is 7 act right
yeah. for some reason I thought it was 15/10
south sleet
we're already on avidity release waiting room so just checking in on the other classline that got new toys
south sleet
either 10 7 or 10 5
polar locust
Final test: BeoA tamer macolyte, comparing here robe to feychim chest
How much ward that gives you
round shore
so...
datapoints:
- live -> beta is something like 1.35x attack stat on Lindworm
- beta beoO -> beta beoA is something like +200 attack stat, pretty minor bump going to the "pet focused class"
- heretic robe is +600 more mag stat on bond-magic macolyte over fey chimera armor (+15% stats)
round shore
How much ward that gives you
uhhhhh I'm at 37k ward in that exact setup. not sure why that matters 😅
polar locust
uhhhhh I'm at 37k ward in that exact setup. not sure why that matters 😅
Just curious, that's kinda dangerous, but with all ascs doesn't matter much, because raid dead before attack right 😂
wicked sandal
it's just for testing away, that setup isn't optimised at all
summer gulch
37 is safe enough i think
stoic epoch
Lot of us low ascension people still rely on ward yo
wicked sandal
since he's using melee weapons on a magic bond
polar locust
37 is safe enough i think
I usually keep more than 75k
round shore
yeah I'm not using a raid setup. I'm trying to test the numerical changes here.
stoic epoch
I cruise around 84
summer gulch
i am most safe with 60+ yea but 40k is fine
polar locust
yeah I'm not using a raid setup. I'm trying to test the numerical changes here.
Oh ok
summer gulch
raid i got full 140k
round shore
can a low ascension person take before/after pics with macolyte, going from a +stats chest to heretic's robe?
polar locust
I can test, 4 ascensions is good?
lofty glen
Using this loadout with al 17
round shore
feychim/atepomarus -> heretic's robe.
yeah, 4asc is fine. just... more/other data points than mine, to see ascension effects.
stoic epoch
That's awesome
summer gulch
builds 😳
polar locust
Used my vd build since it doesn't matter
lofty glen
Using this loadout with al 17
polar locust
Want me to send a full stats build?
round shore
cool cool.
+600 mag for Fuximus going from 15stats -> +1k mag chest. (asc63)
+250 mag for Inarin going from 8stats -> +555 mag boots. (asc50)
+140 mag for costa going from 15stats -> +890 mag chest. (asc4)
round shore
trying to see the ascension scaling, and it looks like it's working.
the hope (and it seems true) is that going for +mag with magbonds is better for magic pets than +stats, across ascensions. wasn't true with the math yesterday, so this is a good change imo.
round shore
belenus are 8% btw
weird
wicked sandal
atep is 10%, the rest of the fomor gang is 8
polar locust
trying to see the ascension scaling, and it looks like it's working.
the hope (...
That expandes the build
wicked sandal
fey chim might be better than fallen skies? don't think I have any fey chim greaves lying around though
or similar
polar locust
I can test out some full follower stats and full mag
To see more difference if you want
round shore
That expandes the build
yeah, exactly.
for max atk/mag with bonded pets, it's worthwhile to go for the crazy atk/mag gear in lieu of generic +stats% booster gear, or defensive gear with +stats% boosters.
but -- you may not want that all the time.
polar locust
That's good for weaker raids
round shore
it also means that we (beos) care a lot more about if it's a bondatk or bondmag pet. it's already the case that different pets want kinda different gear, smartAI v. nonsmartAI being a big difference.
now, stuff like:
- bondatk pets want questing axes/bows, or finswords, or celestial attack weapons
- bondmag pets want questing staves, or kalamaris/ymirstaff, or celetsial magic weapons
polar locust
That's very interesting
lofty glen
I think that is awesome
summer gulch
whats a kalamari
lofty glen
The ability to build how you want to and see the payoff
wicked sandal
kaladanda
summer gulch
squid nom
stoic epoch
So this makes MAccolyte viable?
wicked sandal
So this makes MAccolyte viable?
macolyte remains relatively niche but he's good for endless
summer gulch
so many
polar locust
If the bonded mag/att was in all pets, it would be nice to work around with cactus
To deal more damage in AoE with low ascs
stoic epoch
To deal more damage in AoE with low ascs
Wouldn't that be nice?
polar locust
I could equip some 2handed att weapon
round shore
regarding the new numbers, I think my only sticking concern was my #2 test a ways up -- comparing BeoO to BeoA both on the beta.
I think BeoA could have even more pet stats, in lieu of player stats. The difference between the two isn't super high. 25% double act is definitely meaningful for BeoA, but enhanced bonds isn't very strong. There could be more separation between the two (e.g. make BeoA worse at attacking as the player for more enhanced bonds).
round shore
If the bonded mag/att was in all pets, it would be nice to work around with cact...
Fey Dragon T7(?) has aoe skills and bond mag, btw.
lofty glen
Yas
polar locust
Fey Dragon T7(?) has aoe skills and bond mag, btw.
But it has the same damage range as fey cactus?
round shore
With my current gear (finswords, hererobe, smartAI boots, carl rings):
- 15k attack stat on my cactus, 11k mag stat on my fey dragon.
south sleet
cac doesn't have att bond?
round shore
honestly, it's creeping up there.
polar locust
With my current gear (finswords, hererobe, smartAI boots, carl rings):
- 15k att...
It deals almost the same dmg in dungeons? 🤔
stoic epoch
No.
polar locust
Since one is T7 and other is T10 the penetration and everything can be very different
round shore
with the same stats, yeah.
arrowstorm and majiaoe spells aren't that far apart in damage.
elemental effects are a mix of a help and a hindrance.
stoic epoch
But once you reach a certain threshold extra damage is meaningless
polar locust
But once you reach a certain threshold extra damage is meaningless
Yeah but until i dont get there i want all the damage i can get
Im not in the spot that i clear a horde dungeon very fast with cactus
It takes some time
round shore
Amadan at 10.7k mag stat 👌 for his Lacunus spam
less damage than Fey Dragon, but the stasis is nice.
all of these things are splitting aoe, so that part doesn't change.
stoic epoch
Isn't lacunus non-elemental?
south sleet
the eye
stoic epoch
Oh jesus
polar locust
If it wasn't for the status, it was still a cool follower in T10
stoic epoch
Even with the status
round shore
not quite "full send" (would need to readorn helmet for azure pinions), but... neat.
polar cypress
Wow
round shore
kalamari in offhand with goat eyes might be a smidge higher than that.
polar cypress
That gazer has a threatening aura
polar locust
That's some hell high of mag
wicked sandal
16k attack/magic nidhogg too
polar locust
16k attack/magic nidhogg too
With bulwark?
round shore
idk how that ended up perfectly balanced stats (same gear as before), but... yeah that's pretty.
round shore
in my case: loses 1500 atk/mag, but gains 1.2x M2 from Bulwark.
looks like a slight win for bulwark
wicked sandal
should be a win for bulwark
round shore
and if Nid is good, then Bashe should also be great.
not that I can test it on the beta, but... yeah.
stoic epoch
Wonder how Bashe and Gory look vs Ymir with the changes?
last bane
Someone asked Odie to give us access to Ymir and other dragon event pets?
stoic epoch
Got shot down by Dangy
last bane
maybe we should make one more try?
stoic epoch
last bane
okay
stoic epoch
I mean, he did say "right this moment" two weeks ago, so maybe priorities have changed.
I doubt we're getting the Draconic Era followers this beta though since it's going on such a long time.
wicked sandal
Bond math is weird
Attack bond btw
I was trying to figure out why wearing hererobe/fss increased lindworm/great reaper/glatisants attack, and thought maybe cause they have attack and magic bond
but lizarr only has attack bond yet still gains attack from hererobe/fss
❓
polar locust
That doesn't make any sense
wicked sandal
Truly magic
left plover
Valhalan dissonance affect the follower now, so maybe it's caused indirectly by that
polar locust
Always affected no?
lofty glen
Cactus definitely needs a different bond imo.
polar cypress
Why 4 arrowstorm in a row?
Double act can proc more than once?
And definitely he needs attack bond
last bane
For each mob on the floor
lofty glen
Yeee. Was trying horde
polar locust
And definitely he needs attack bond
Yeah, would be nice with the mana combo
To increase AoE dmg
lofty glen
Fey cactus keeps spamming friendship when I'm low health
polar locust
Fey cactus keeps spamming friendship when I'm low health
Did you use skadi?
Friendship is only temp buff right?
regal bramble
Fey cactus keeps spamming friendship when I'm low health
Oh god...
lofty glen
Did you use skadi?
Yeah
lofty glen
Low HP. Trying to redline horde to see what kind of damage I can crank out
Some floors I'm seeing friendship being used 2-3 times in a row despite skadi 2 being active
Uploading a vid
last bane
you was under Skadi?
lofty glen
Sorry for some of the bouts of inactive during the recording lol. Multitasking work atm
polar locust
It's giving the t.def1 and t.res1 because you are low hp, but that's ruining
I suggest to remove it from cactus
And add something else
polar locust
I think different pets have friendship
It can work in those pets, but not with cactus
umbral glade
Common and animal bonds are both not very cool atm
Human too
I very much dislike all 3
And still consider that a baseline of bonded atk+mag should be on every pet, with some families having another/more sources of it in their family
last bane
also some event pet's are still have common or animal family, not event's
umbral glade
Yea some families dont fit
New pets like the lizarrs are cool thou
Families i would use right now:
Dragon, Magical, lizarr, maybe mimic
Families i would actively avoid:
Human, animal, undead, giant,
Could be good but lacks pets:
Nothren forces, balor forces
The one i would avoid but it has fey cactus:
Common
umbral glade
I wanted a csctus family with like.. needle storm - a arrowstorm clone with a unique name
That way every cactus pet has access to another aoe option and fey Cactus doesnt have as much act rate troubles
polar locust
That way every cactus pet has access to another aoe option and fey Cactus doesnt...
I was thinking about that too
umbral glade
Having to choose between the one dude that has 20% atk and mag bond and that other dude that has no atk/mag bond at all is, i think, not much of a choice
stoic epoch
Human too
I miss the view distance bonus
At least then I could forsee a reason to use human pets
last bane
I took Grand Ripper to Goblin's dungeon..and that was just Stonefire every floor
stoic epoch
Having to choose between the one dude that has 20% atk and mag bond and that oth...
And I don't think the current dragon bonds need nerfed to make other pets more viable, I want to see other pets get a similar treatment.
umbral glade
I haven't played around with the newest number tweaks but what I've seen here that looked kinda fine? But yea, its not that 20% is too high, its that 0 for most families is too low
But not gonna lie, the t10 lizarr lost like 50% damage from when i tried it earlier 🥲
~220k bite instead of 500k-ish and 900-1.2m reptile strike crits instead of 2-2.4m
umbral glade
Which is okay i guess?
stoic epoch
Never forget
umbral glade
I was talking about earlier today, not the 200k atk
round shore
I hope we didn't take the crazy stats seriously (neither the 200k, nor the 15k Lindworm with minimal investment)
stoic epoch
It was still a fun 10 minutes till Odie felt the disturbance in the Force
umbral glade
I think the numers today where on the very tippity top of what could be happening, but i expected it to come down
stoic epoch
I'm gonna cherish that screenshot
umbral glade
The t10 lizarr on beta now feels like fjalar on live
round shore
Still need to know why +mag on gear increases atk on a bonded attack pet.
New lizard looks very good/strong.
umbral glade
From the dmg to the cactus its live fjalar with higher bottom end and lower top end
Reptile strike crit seems a bit weaker than live aerial barrage, bite a bit better than evasive strikes. The quadcuts about the same, tricut being thrown in there. Sharpen casts infrequently enough to be forgettable
No damage per turn meter to get an objective number
quiet hill
I'm getting pretty excited for the patch. Any word on when it goes live?
umbral glade
Not that i heard of
last bane
Odie promised the introduction of new skills in this beta, so I think the release will not be soon
umbral glade
Realmshifter and nyx celestial classes already have new skills, so do our pets
last bane
need to check Odie's messages, it seems to me that he was talking about new skills for Beo himself ..
hasty knoll
nope, no skills planned for beo
umbral glade
any chance for wyverns speed 3 on a baha celestial
last bane
nope, no skills planned for beo
Even "Mark" to help pet choose an aim?(and deal to it a bit higher damage)?
quiet hill
Odie, would you ever consider changing multi turn buffs to complete in gaunts if the floor is cleared before they finish? Beo can struggle to cast these buffs with pet blasting away
last bane
Odie, would you ever consider changing multi turn buffs to complete in gaunts if...
Tamer spec have Call which stop's pet
quiet hill
That turns a 3 turn buff into a 5 turn though. And I think tamer is the most boring combo anyway
noble stag
nope, no skills planned for beo
any skills planned for summoner?
oh nvm, you removed the "new skills for celestial classes" from the to do list in #game-announcements
misty acorn
Cactus definitely needs a different bond imo.
So cactus doesn't aoe every turn now?! Uggghhh
umbral glade
from what i tested it did with skadi pretty much
misty acorn
Pretty much isn't good enough in a dungeon lol
umbral glade
true
misty acorn
Dude I just got a build to redline clear hhb and they kill it
If he skips one aoe turn you're dead especially with recharge gone
Id rather cactus aoe every turn than every single buff we're getting lol
It's a staple
umbral glade
its one of those pet families that aint feeling right
misty acorn
If cactus doesn't aoe dude like beo has lost its most important feature
It's unacceptable
I should test real world stuff instead of lindworm lol
I can't believe the fact cactus not reliably using aoe has only just been noticed
umbral glade
yea i havent done anything but raid & dummy tests
umbral glade
not on beta lol
misty acorn
This is outrageous lol
It's the most used pet and it's gonna ruin the entire classes farming methods
round shore
Do you guys not do dungeons?
- bonds have been changing daily or weekly for a while
- join people testing things in the beta 🙏
"supposedly" bond skills aren't supposed to be taking the place of normal skills. if that's not working, it's a bug to be fixed.
this
and prior/repeated
ivory birch
but this, right? if you hit 100% act rate with normal skills then it will take the place of normal skills
misty acorn
I've had negative responses when testing bugs in the past, even with screenshots/proof that's why I don't now
umbral glade
there is also this, and friendship is 100% undesirable for most pets
sage umbra
What does the ability Friendship?
round shore
What does the ability Friendship?
temp stat ups iirc
umbral glade
temp stats up at a 50-7%%ish chance
sage umbra
temp stat ups iirc
iirc?
lofty glen
It makes you skip a turn and die
Pretty much though if you're redlining and relying on pet damage
round shore
if I remember correctly
umbral glade
friendship is single target chance to gain stats up
friendship+ is all targets (other player, summons)
round shore
if it's temp stat ups, you should be able to pre-empt Friendship use by using any temp stat up, at least. like, spam sharpen or riposte or w/e
umbral glade
basic t.atk+/def+/mag+/res+
misty acorn
Cactus has super low act so I'm guessing he's gonna wanna be friends a lot and get you killed
umbral glade
does sharpen giving you t.atk+ mean the pet wont try to give you t.def/res/mag
round shore
it should, if the skill works like every other pet skill in the game
misty acorn
Please just remove the chance of him ever using this
warm finch
though according to the odie statement, cactus won't use friendship unless it wasn't going to act anyway
umbral glade
it does
stoic epoch
It does
misty acorn
Lol
umbral glade
why add reptile strikes, the best dmg move, to then not use it
warm finch
I mean, this has been stated before, but I'll mention it again
stoic epoch
We know
umbral glade
it takes away from the no act pool first
if there is no "no act" bucket
its just a regular skill
stoic epoch
It's interacting with the action math in an undesirable way
umbral glade
otherwise the entire system makes no sense
warm finch
Hm, I might've misunderstood
round shore
well, in this implementation then, you should leave a 1% no-act bucket available for Friendship to fall into 😛
which is just as weird and nonsensical
warm finch
I at least hope that it takes away from the Attack before affecting real skills
umbral glade
the matter of fact is that the skill is bad, and it should be at least tied with the pets best move in terms of power
ivory birch
and not intended
Odie stated that bond skills will take the place of regular skills if you're at 100% act, so I'm not sure this is a bug
umbral glade
if the added skills would be as powerful as the pets best skill, this would not be an issue
stoic epoch
Which is just weird
misty acorn
The only acceptable skill for it to be is arrowstorm2
round shore
Which is just weird
both are weird
umbral glade
if cactus has "needle storm" that is mechanically the same as arrowstorm 1 or 2
ivory birch
It's weird to treat bond skills as undesirable (prefer regular skills)
umbral glade
this would be perfectly fine
misty acorn
Yes
ivory birch
bond skills should have the ability to be desirable too 😅
stoic epoch
Yes
misty acorn
But totally what yalalala said
umbral glade
there should be no way that bond 3 is worse than staying at bond 2
stoic epoch
Is the cactus spamming friendship at you as you redline?
warm finch
Odie stated that bond skills will take the place of regular skills if you're at ...
Isn't cactus notorously hard to get to act every single turn? Isn't its act rate like 9%
misty acorn
That's why I don't want any of this stuff and just buff pet damage
warm finch
or, well. spell rate I guess
round shore
@misty acorn with your ascensions and gear, can try swinging T8 Amadan in the beta. It's less mag stat than cactus atk, but not by a lot due to bond magic. And lacunus is splitting aoe, same as arrowstorm.
round shore
Can try T7 Fey Dragon, too, but that's all maji aoe which are {earth, fire, water, lightning} elements and run into immunities.
stoic epoch
Yeah, with skadi up it acts basically every turn.
umbral glade
matter of fact, getting bond 3 should never be a downgrade
ivory birch
no bond should be a downgrade, probably
misty acorn
At al100 I literally have to max buff and redline and still can barely clear t11 hhb
If it's a 5 boss floor
umbral glade
friendship is not a skill you ever want unless its on a pegasus only
misty acorn
And I had to run Auriga and pet stats
stoic epoch
misty acorn
That's with orn gear with pet stats added btw
round shore
Realistically, there's no skill that can exist on Cactus' family that isn't aoe that would make it desirable to use over aoe.
Because 1shot aoe meta means not having to care about defenses, which changes a lot of other things.
So... yeah. Either bond skill an aoe skill, or have no bond skill on its family, or have a system where the bond skill exists but can be ignored through gearing (i.e. 100% act rate, and bond skills don't eat out of anything other than no-act bucket).
It's lame but it's the world we've been subjected to for like a year and a half, going on two years.
umbral glade
which is why i wanted a "cactus" family with a arrowstorm clone 1 or 2 for the lvl 3 bond skill
misty acorn
I don't like this bond stuff at all tbh just make it stats if anything
round shore
have a system where the bond skill exists but can be ignored through gearing (i.e. 100% act rate, and bond skills don't eat out of anything other than no-act bucket).
tbf this is what I thought was the intention of the current design
stoic epoch
Wait, you mean no bonds at all?
misty acorn
This is so depressing
umbral glade
fjalar getting a new skill is fine, but if its the lowest dmg move, which it is on a non crit, i just not cool
if it was on the powerlevel of aerial barrage or quadcut with potentially upside, its just fine
misty acorn
Just buff pet stats and call it a day
stoic epoch
I like the bonds. Dragons are in a nice place. I like the skills they get allowing me to free up slots.
misty acorn
This bond stuff is overly complicated and buggy
round shore
it's a beta, there's going to be bugs
warm finch
dejct, let's try to remain positive :)
being defeatist isn't all too productive.
misty acorn
Thanks lol
round shore
complicated, well it would help if more of its implementation was nailed down. it's complicated because it's been changing a lot; the basic idea of passives on followers isn't too outlandish.
warm finch
In a world where the bonds are optimised, it is functionally as good as bonus stats, while also being refreshing
round shore
not more than, idk, passives on specs or gear pieces (e.g. bulwark).
umbral glade
again, level 3 bond skills should be the pets strongest, or atleast top2 skills, not the weakest
if its the weakest, level 3 bond just makes it undesirable
misty acorn
I obviously take this too seriously and it affects my mood
round shore
bond skills are fairly weird.
if friendship wasn't a temp buff, even that would probably be fine.
e.g. if it was just atk^ mag^ def^ res^ used once at the start of the dungeon and then never again, like wyrm/wyvern on the drag families.
stoic epoch
I obviously take this too seriously and it affects my mood
You're AL 100+, that's a significant time investment dude.
warm finch
It's understandable to have things you are passionate about affect your mood
Just take a breather every now and then
umbral glade
nah, friendship on a dmg pet is just weaksource
friendship on a support pet - fine
brings me back to not having enough families
stoic epoch
A significant time investment in a class that's historically been weak.
warm finch
I think odie did mention new families and family swaps at some point
having a Plant family would remedy the cactus
there are already plenty of plant enemies to justify that family
umbral glade
I think odie did mention new families and family swaps at some point
that might have been me - unless it was outside this thread
warm finch
and there's basically no plant followers, which would mean the family would just be for cactuses in terms of bonds
umbral glade
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1t2SWi7N8CCSqIq513stLqSjzEDgDMDH-RPbMd2u9_q8/edit#gid=0 i even made a spreadsheet
misty acorn
You're AL 100+, that's a significant time investment dude.
I know right lol
round shore
having a Plant family would remedy the cactus
plant family bond skill:
Photosynthesis, heals 10% during daytime, 1% otherwise || 
||
stoic epoch
So I get it.
warm finch
Solar beam
Ah he mentioned more followers per family, not more families per follower :p
umbral glade
that is already happening
we got 2 more lizarrs today
that doesnt help with the problem of not having good families for many pets
pegasus, a support pet, being an animal with fjalar, a dps pet
makes one of them automatically have undesirable moves
now add arisen glashtyn as a animal
who wants magic and debuffs
stoic epoch
round shore
Forgeus was talking quite a bit about how family doesn't really match up with archetype.
And how families get bond skills/bond passives that are more archetype-y than anything else.
Like: all reptiles use attack (what if there's a reptile mage?), all dragons use attacks/magic (PD and fafnir are like wtf), etc.
cursive onyx
From an outside of beo perspective the bond system seems overly complicated and kind of turns me off from looking at beo. But that's just my thought on it.
umbral glade
we need a system to not have 180+ unique bonds
misty acorn
I see I see
summer gulch
Families are made bc bonding all 200+ pets is alot for poor odie
summer gulch
I mean for balance but yea :p
misty acorn
Balance has always been my ultimate priority
umbral glade
Glashtyn would be perfect for this "unique bonds for some pets" idea.
Lvl1: dar...
unique bonds for pets could be so nice, hence the potential
round shore
now that would be too complicated
warm finch
Families are made bc bonding all 200+ pets is alot for poor odie
it's also quite the amount of coding to do them all individually
misty acorn
That would work
umbral glade
that would require all bonds to be very generic
summer gulch
Fey cactus Def needs a unique bond imo. I feel any MF rarity needs a unique bond
round shore
200 pets crossed with X bonds is >> 200 unique pets with unique bonds > 200 unique pets with ~6 families.
misty acorn
So what classes get bond 1 and 2 again
cursive onyx
I agree with the above comment on the current family grouping being inconsistent. If there were say 5 families: Defensive, Melee, Magical, Support and Exotic, I think that would be interesting. Exotic would be event followers and could have unique bonds but the rest fall under one of the other 4?
cursive onyx
Again outside perspective
cursive onyx
just make it passive stat buffs
This
misty acorn
100% just do that
umbral glade
bond all 20%
cursive onyx
But they have put a lot of time into the bonds already, it seems interesting but not sure how it fits with the current gameplay of Orna
misty acorn
It could be something to add in later
quiet hill
Probably too late but I think it be cool if bond was linked to an item that your pet equipped. That way you could customize your pet to your style.
misty acorn
Or a call
quiet hill
For skills anyway
misty acorn
But I dunno if that would work
If I use skadi I obviously just want offense
Im not sure if that would work in practice
stoic epoch
Probably too late but I think it be cool if bond was linked to an item that your...
Odie's still got plans for pet equipment, just not "soon".
misty acorn
Gotta use skadi with cactus now anyway
He used to move more but a semi recent update reduced it
Reported it but got told it was a fix
cursive onyx
Cactus is a dud. I can buff and finish off beos before cactus ever seems to act. But that's pvp. Vs gs it must seem underwhelming.
misty acorn
It's gonna try and make you it's friend now
stoic epoch
It just wants a hug
summer gulch
The split aoe vs gsum with shield up is rough less I double cast pet
quiet hill
I actually don't even care about pvp. I went beo to mow down horde gaunts. I just want to keep that ability and maybe gain some WRB speed
misty acorn
If cactus belongs in any family it's the cbf family
I gotta run so much act to get him to move
misty acorn
Cactus is a dud. I can buff and finish off beos before cactus ever seems to act....
When I'm cruising the arena this is what I notice as well
polar cypress
it's also quite the amount of coding to do them all individually
Nah now is much more configuring than coding, which in a sense is worse and less entertaining 
misty acorn
So I don't use it in pvp but if it can't clear dungeons reliably we are boned
ivory birch
evidently the "nerf beo" pleas were heard
polar cypress
Nefr beo too op
umbral glade
For the current system to be successful, in my opinion, we need the following:
- Every pet, that is supposed to attack, has a form of Bond Atk/Mag
- The unlocked skill from the tier 3 bond should be one of, if not THE strongest move in its entire move pool
- added moves should never make you go "I wish I didn't have this"
- Level 3 bond should always be more desirable than level 2 bond
- More families are needed as to not run into issues of "this dmg pet has a support skill" or "this magic/debuff pet is in the attacking family"
polar cypress
In my opinion this should be pinned 
warm finch
I see pin I pin
umbral glade
if anybody has something to add/change, holla
polar cypress
That's a good sun up of our expectations for bonds
rough lotus
I still think that there shouldn't be families but rather there should be roles, i.e. physical attack role.
misty acorn
I just keep thinking more simple and effective is what's gonna make people keep using the class and get other people to wanna use it, this sounds like a tone of work, the class stat buff/pet damage buff was probably enough, I feel bad for them doing all this extra work
I like the idea but it sounds like so many combinations that will fail
umbral glade
the stuff bonds could do for pets in the future is so much greater than "just passive buffs"
but we need to establish a baseline
misty acorn
I agree
It's just a lot, that's all
The reliable aoe stuff is one of the only things the class had that gave it an edge.
It is weaker in pvp damage wise and defensive.
It raids slower...much slower. What is the reason anyone would use beo? Maybe that should be asked when making changes. What's gonna make people want to use this class at all? Cause I'm running out of reasons when the other classes are so good.
If I can't even clear a horde at al100 it might be time to change
polar locust
The reliable aoe stuff is one of the only things the class had that gave it an e...
Can use all gear
Same as deity
One of the main reasons a player uses beo
umbral glade
the whole "indirect damage" part was what got me into the class
polar locust
I got into beo because of thing that i can get any type of gear and mix builds together
polar locust
Still worse at everything
Dont be so negative
misty acorn
I'm being realistic, no one's gonna use a class that's actually worse at everything just so they can use an item
I've done like 8000 hours dude
I know the class
I'm talking end game
polar locust
Yeah i understand, i was trying to cheer up, i know the class has the nickname of crap but gotta have fun
polar locust
Since i dont have much ascensions i keep switching between classes, but you with +100ascs is a different story
round shore
It raids slower...much slower.
fwiw, at least some of the changes here address that.
misty acorn
I get it man, but honestly if trying to do hordes is pain a lot less people will use the class cause it's harder to progress
It's just how it is
You are in the discord more than me, you know what the community wante
They want everything and they want it now lol
Why use a class that's just worse and slower
warm finch
For the record dejct, I'm not telling you to just be all nice and smiles - do feel free to voice your opinion
warm finch
What I meant from earlier is that just telling people to scrap everything in the beta and just go back to flat stat buffs isn't very productive
misty acorn
I understand
I saw a comment from Odie asking if it's good enough to release soon so that's what made me respond like that
It was more like, for now can we just buff it
Or tweak it to be simpler and less work for the devs
I was being super blunt, as usual
round shore
I get it man, but honestly if trying to do hordes is pain a lot less people will...
honestly, anybody that isn't just class swapping for heretic or deity for hordes is doing themselves a disservice. 🤷♂️
cactus in hordes is okay. it's not great. splitting damage means to overcome 1shot on T10/T11 bosses you need something like 250k damage from cactus which is difficult while wearing orn gear. I don't particularly want to see cactus using Friendship, and we talked about a few ways that that could change (and, that it might just be a bug with the current implementation).
endless is something worth testing. now with 1.5x def/res on the player at 1hp, it should get a bit farther, and wearing orn boosters. still plays second fiddle to GS for endless, but idk there might be something there. endless for beo is still a nightmare of pet swapping even in the best case though.
for raids, beo was something like 2x behind the rest. it's getting something like 1.5x or more from the changes around bonds, faction bonus. including stuff like bulwark, its raid speed is honestly probably just... good now. it wasn't like summon-damage based summoner where it's 8x slower -- it needed a decent sized boost, and it got a decent sized boost.
re: complexity of bonds... unsure.
it's not outlandish to have passives on followers. it's explicable, there's in-game UI for it, etc.
it gives followers even more variety, which for follower-damage beo wasn't particularly its biggest problem, but variety is always welcome.
as a space for future design, it seems even better. NF doesn't have the time right now to do 200 unique bond passives, but in the future, a single follower can be lifted or raised with finer tuned passive controls.
misty acorn
It's a very long way of saying what I said lol
round shore
I don't think ripping out the bond system because of cactus is worthwhile, in any case.
I think changing Common (which includes cactus) to just be something super simple for now and fix it later... works.
umbral glade
cactus getting a cactus family and that problem is solved by using the new system
misty acorn
Sure
umbral glade
something like
generic level 1 bond, idk, mana or a resistance
lvl 2: atk bond
lvl 3: atk bond, needle storm, renamed copy of arrow storm
done
misty acorn
It just makes me think why bother just buff and achieve the same thing
umbral glade
helps lower level pet classes with more access to aoe
makes it more constant for endgame
round shore
I'm like 99% sure that cactus doesn't need a buff 😅 it needs to not get nerfed, but it's... fine. It sees a lot of use as-is.
Buffing it in that way seems unnecessary and not fixing core beo complaints.
umbral glade
okay, dex bond and a small atk bonmd
round shore
mp bond and a cool pair of sunglasses
misty acorn
I didn't mean buff cactus, I mean the buff it's getting through bonds
The pet itself doesn't need a buff, if anything like 2% more act lol but that would be it
umbral glade
i'd argue that consitancy is a need for beo
misty acorn
Exactly
umbral glade
adding another copy of arrowstorm would be something that can fix a need
umbral glade
saying atk bond is unnecessary is okay, there are other bonds if need be
misty acorn
Adding another arrowstorm dupe would be fine but won't that mess with other pets
The reason I'm fixated on cactus is because it's the only way you can reliably progress/farm hordes which is the meta
I don't need to comment on raiding cause you guys have confirmed that's fine
I don't even have a problem with raiding so that's why I haven't commented on it
I'm thinking endgame/meta
umbral glade
the bond system is flexible enough to fix its own flaws
misty acorn
Not many people care about end end game which I totally get
I understand I'm a minority
But I think it's important
If the game didn't introduce hordes I wouldn't be here lol
Harping on about this haha
round shore
I'm not against something like Amadan being used. Bondmagic, spamming lacunus. 🤷♂️ There are other aoe options; it shouldn't only be cactus. Cactus without Friendship but w/o Attack bond would compete favorably with stuff with atk/mag bonds that aren't cactus but have lower stats.
But also separately, I know it's like public knowledge how much I despise the current aoe meta. Holding up the current aoe meta is of very little value to me personally. This balance patch isn't touching on it at all, though, so if the goal is to not screw with 1shot aoe, then definitely cactus needs to go back to working as before.
misty acorn
Oh man you gimme another full orn gear aoe t11 hhb horde clearing build and I'll use it haha
umbral glade
i always argued current beo level dmg should be the norm, but nerfing everything to our level is a harder pitch to sell than buffing us
umbral glade
anyways, i think its important to outline what bonds should and should not be
misty acorn
If they mess with ascension I won't be able to aoe anything reliably anyway so I guess who cares lol
last bane
Don't you think that bonds have to increase their...effect depending on the pet's rarity?
I mean - there are ordinary pets like some slimes and more rare like FeyCactus
umbral glade
pets rarity is irrelevant tbh
that system could just be canned for all i care
having the beta style bestiary with all pets available outside of event pets would be great imo
but the "orange tier rarity pet having a special bond thing" i could see
last bane
just percent of bonds can be a bit higher
polar locust
How you guys gonna do hard dgs with orn gear when recharge is gone, to refill mana? Gonna use amities?
Diffuse ward with orn gear is joking with the enemy
misty acorn
I will miss recharge
Stack mana in armor or amity probably, I have a lot of mana but yeah it's gonna be an issue for a lot of people
polar locust
Same, idk why it was removed, it was like a core passive for many beo players
polar locust
Stack mana in armor or amity probably, I have a lot of mana but yeah it's gonna ...
I just have 747 mana with orn gear
misty acorn
I did ask any many people don't like recharge
umbral glade
..how?
polar locust
click bastion a few times
Cant with both questings
misty acorn
Dooms
polar locust
Doom takes a lot of mana
misty acorn
Take them out
polar locust
Like 400
umbral glade
doom in 2023
misty acorn
Dooms bary do anything man
polar locust
Take them out
Can be the easy solution 😂
misty acorn
Barely*, did you check the follower tab before and after dooms
polar locust
And fill with ward instead
misty acorn
They don't do jack
stoic epoch
Dooms are a trap
polar locust
I till take it out, im losing a lot mana
Because of that
And ward
From 2,2k mana to 747
Is radical
misty acorn
You won't even notice the damage difference
The way pet stats are calculated it's not worth
I added 5x10% augments and you barely notice lol
Just don't bother man
polar locust
Okie
misty acorn
Just keep your HP and mana and have more survivability and you'll be happier
stoic epoch
I added 5x10% augments and you barely notice lol
That's honestly one of my biggest complaints
misty acorn
Same lol
last bane
Radamat's shield can restore ward
Diffuse ward can restore mana, so...
misty acorn
That's why when the character damage to pet damage thing got announced i got excited
You don't have to ascend to increase your pets damage
Cause pet stat gear is just unusable imo
stoic epoch
Like, I farmed long and hard to fill put a 12 slotter with dooms just fur it to not matter.
polar locust
Radamat's shield can restore ward
Diffuse ward can restore mana, so...
That's a shield from fomor event?
polar locust
That recovers ward
misty acorn
Yeah
polar locust
I mean mana
last bane
That's a shield from fomor event?
no, another, Alhis was there too
misty acorn
Achlys
polar locust
Like, I farmed long and hard to fill put a 12 slotter with dooms just fur it to ...
Same lol, long time i grinded many last horseman to fill my 2 questing with doom waiting for it to be very good
umbral glade
mana siphon will also help with its 25% proc
polar locust
no, another, Alhis was there too
Sorry, didn't understand
last bane
i'm playing not in Eng version of orna, sorry :)
polar locust
mana siphon will also help with its 25% proc
Yeah at least that
misty acorn
Haha I understood you
polar locust
i'm playing not in Eng version of orna, sorry :)
Np thanks for the help
misty acorn
You'll be fine without dooms if you don't spam expensive skills
misty acorn
But that being said, I'll still miss recharge
But people hate it so I am not gonna get too sad about it
Easier redline > recharge is what most people think
At least Hydrus still has recharge which is really cool
umbral glade
hm let me dig out my "what i think needs work post" post
Here is what I think still needs work:
Some bonded stats: Ward and Hp being the biggest offenders
Most abilities added feel weak atm
Diluted Movepools: This happens when you reach 100% activation chance, moves like Miasma and Bind are worse than the base pets options
#1097570738086621295 message / #1097570738086621295 messagePet Families: Many pets don't fit in their current family (scruug being a human, Glashtyn being a animal) Shameless self plug:
||https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1t2SWi7N8CCSqIq513stLqSjzEDgDMDH-RPbMd2u9_q8/edit#gid=0||Many families missing an Bonded ATK/MAG option - we can't really scale their damage - Giving some % of Atk&Mag bond for just having bonds 2 and 3 might be a solution
- Base Beo getting more pet stats than BeoA #1097570738086621295 message
Better ingame tooltip for "What does Bonded HP even mean?"
Added pet abilities in the follower window
Negative Atk lowering your damage quite heavily making a bond3 class with the same items worse than a bond 2 class (might just be intended?)
Hybrid attacking pets still feel unusable due to Gaits existing. A interaction between improved AI and Gunnr/Snotra might be an idea
misty acorn
umbral glade
misty acorn
Lolol
polar locust
But people hate it so I am not gonna get too sad about it
Who hate it???
misty acorn
Apparently lots of people don't like it haha
umbral glade
need more somewhat objective points, being fully emotionally driven ain't good
misty acorn
need more somewhat objective points, being fully emotionally driven ain't good
I'm in too deep lmao 🤣 beo got me emo af
umbral glade
write some stuff down and then read through it again taking out the emotion
misty acorn
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polar locust
I'm in too deep lmao 🤣 beo got me emo af
Don't dream about a happy beo then
You will wake up very depressed
umbral glade
you should be unhappy when it hits live and is not good
misty acorn
I keep waking up from nightmares where I'm facing down t11 hordes and my cactus just won't attack
umbral glade
now is time for feedback
misty acorn
you should be unhappy when it hits live and is not good
Like almost every single pet that drops (except the dragons) lol
Glashtyn... oh boy
umbral glade
bonds can really help with that thou
polar locust
I keep waking up from nightmares where I'm facing down t11 hordes and my cactus ...
🥲
last bane
I keep waking up from nightmares where I'm facing down t11 hordes and my cactus ...
just imagine that you BeoH and you can beat them all yourself!
quiet hill
I'm sad about recharge. But I think mana siphon will be OK. I don't redline unless it's WRB, and I use BeoA for that.
I use beo for hordes, because I need to be able to do decent player for mob that are immune to cactus.
summer gulch
I don't think ripping out the bond system because of cactus is worthwhile, in an...
That carpet was laid odies not ripping it up for the floorboards. I do think current cactus gonna be rough though :<
With dungeon stacking (st) it's more accessible to use single target pets especially as beoA x2 act now
So while cactus suffers, some ST pets really shine, albeit a slower pace.
umbral glade
yea there can't be a world in which its worse than before the patch
and that includes consistancy
jagged cedar
Yup
Beo need more consistancy
Need more solid skill for pet
umbral glade
Endless with TMM is turbo dead now, the mimic spams confuse and miasma even with skadi2 and has arandom chance to poison xou, so redlining on <400hp will randomly kill you 🥲
Endless on mimic is also dead, uses friendship way to often.
The t10 lizarr does too little damage when it uses one of its weaker moves
round shore
what a friendly cactus
umbral glade
Yea but our friendship aint working out, he heard me talking shit I guess
I have trouble finding a good pet for endless right now
I am using a mammon acolyte atm, everything else feels worse than on live
Skadi also has seemingly no impact on move selectio, i tried using VSS which does nice dmg but has like 60% chanve to use fright with skadi2
And we sadly dont keep the skeletons the scary skeleton summons
sick tinsel
Forgeus was talking quite a bit about how family doesn't really match up with ar...
And I will continue until Odie unblock me and read me
Because you can create as much family you want, if you have 2 monsters of the same family but with different use, the bond will be inefficient or useless for one of them
quaint maple
As I understand it, bonds as a feature is starting with Families, then the hope would be to make it more granular/low level over time.
It's a fairly large and complex system to implement, before designing unique bonds for every follower. Want to make sure it's a good system first, which is definitely seems to be
sick tinsel
for Att and Mag yeah
but I'm unsure for others, Bonded stats are answering the question of "How to improve our follower with good quality weapon/armor"
The other stats only improves the player (except Dex that affect both Player and Follower)
sick tinsel
As I understand it, bonds as a feature is starting with Families, then the hope ...
For the family problem, rename it class and give them roles like Healer, Debuffer, Magic user, etc ...
☝️ I started listing the use of each pet
But some pets have more than 1 role (like debuffing and attacking, healing and warding, etc ...)
So the extra work would be for some pet to have 2 classes with less efficiency.
But heh, there is enough work for now 😅
misty acorn
1 heart of change please
sick tinsel
Dejct this is experimental, commenting negatively alone won't get us anywhere
quaint maple
Jokes are ok - I took that as a joke 🙂
umbral glade
I highly recommend beta testing endless on beoA or pet focused BaseBeo - maybe i am crazy but i think that is currently a significant downgrade over live
I think the class like bond system Forgeus talked about would be better in the short term, but the family type sorting has the potential to be better in the long run, once enough families are created to slot in pets better
misty acorn
I am joking, the fact that cactus currently doesn't work IS negative and I'm responding in a joking way lol
umbral glade
Yea, as i said before, no ability added by the system should be unwanted
misty acorn
No expressing emotions here guys
Be happy with every bug/issue
I feel like not saying what bothers you doesn't help
umbral glade
They should be competing to be the pets best ability, which puts cactus in a hard place, as that would imply that the added ability doesn't interfere with its aoe theme
quaint maple
I feel like not saying what bothers you doesn't help
We're fine hearing when people aren't happy, we expect that. As long as it's productive it's all good to me 🙂
umbral glade
Friendship is way to weak, this ain't anime
umbral glade
I feel like not saying what bothers you doesn't help
Log into the beta client and play some endless or horde boss dungeons, write down, as objectively as you can, what you felt was better and worse than on live. Try out different pets as well.
Your feedback is very valid
misty acorn
Pretty much what yal, it's probably too far along to be like 'can we just get bond buffs and no skills?' but people like some of the new ones. then it was said they're not intended to be used often anyway?
When I test stuff I do it for like hours and hours, and usually stuff no one cares about cause I'm like al100
umbral glade
That usage thing has been misinterpreted so many times
misty acorn
Yeah sorry to bring it up again I don't even know anymore, forget I said it lol
umbral glade
The pet is supposed to use the new ability like others, everything else makes no sense
misty acorn
It confuses me
I just wanted my pet to move, do the right skills and do a bit more damage man, like that's it lmao 🤣
umbral glade
We will get there, i dont expect this system to go live in its current state
quaint maple
Such an ambitious new system was unlikely to be perfect immediately. That's why we have a beta 🙂
misty acorn
My feedback won't be brief if I get the beta
I spend hours testing 1 pvp build for example
quaint maple
Oh you're not playing the beta?
umbral glade
Its not like the NF cant see that its a problem if your cactus uses its skills like it does atm
misty acorn
There's a few reasons I haven't got it, but I feel like I should help contribute otherwise I'm just sitting here talking crap without having tried it.
quaint maple
Hehe, your words!
misty acorn
I've been going from everything everyone has said/posted
quaint maple
It is a good opportunity, for sure
umbral glade
This just doesn't pass the eye test, he is correct there
misty acorn
Basically been sharing opinions and thoughts. Being asc 100 everything is gonna be really weird
Can I get my account mirrored or should I just try low level
umbral glade
Joining the beta gives you a lvl 250 char
south sleet
Can I get my account mirrored or should I just try low level
get it mirrored so you have the stuff you want to test
south sleet
so we know if something is bad even at 100 asc
umbral glade
Fresh beta chars have stuff like 5k summon scrolls if you want to test raids
misty acorn
Is the Playstore the best place to get it?
umbral glade
Also you can practice using the heart of change if its all bad
Yea
Just search for orna beta
south sleet
you type your username in the mirror thread
misty acorn
Thanks @south sleet, can I get a link? If possible