Valhallan Changes

[summer gulch]

That's kinda a big and tragic change

But ig fools running around with broken questings exploding xp

Chrono doesn't affect pets hitting fools does it? 🤔

Cus with new time mage I might go time mage or chrono pet

[umbral glade]

you can smack stuff for stasis, your pet cant (as far as we know)

[summer gulch]

Aww

Would be nice if pet could but then aoe cactus stasis

[stoic epoch]

Newsletter is out. Odie says the beta's to a point he's nearly happy with, so maybe we'll be able to test out the meat and potatoes of Bestial Bonds soon.

Ascension respeccing is being talked about

A la the "Heart of Change"

That'll be in the beta soonish apparently

[heavy bane]

A lot of spiciness to catch up on

[quiet hill]

So is beo losing all mana regen? I'm going to really miss recharge

[polar locust]

The beo base yeah

[round shore]

So...

When is the v1.0 set of bestial bonds set to release, and will there be an opportunity to give feedback about them before beta merges into live?
I'm not sure what the timeline is on either; also not sure what else is left to hammer down before the merge.

[stoic epoch]

Best guess?

I hope he's releasing it tomorrow sh we can mess with it over the weekend.

[umbral glade]

Odie said at the start of the beta phase "something something longer beta"

So I expect we get at least another round of feedback on the next BB iteration or two

[stoic epoch]

I really expected him to give us something to mess with this week.

I'm glad he's also working on the ascension respec situation.

[umbral glade]

it felt like there was supposed to but then the whole "equip should have more impact" thing came up and things changed a bit

is there any info on the respec thing?

is it a one time "move to another class" or something

[stoic epoch]

Only what was in the newsletter

[umbral glade]

"heart of change" reminds me of the yugioh card "change of hearts"

which was swapping a card from your opponent to you

[stoic epoch]

It's definitely a play on words for "having a change of heart"

[umbral glade]

as in, "one time swap" in my head

[stoic epoch]

I doubt is going to be a one time thing

Maybe once every major balance patch

[umbral glade]

before the whole rework thing going on currently i would have seriously gave gilga/deity a thought

deity seems so strong, but red and bluelining has to be annoying

while gilga would feel so limited on gear choices but its pretty much the playstyle i am already going for

[stoic epoch]

I'm still holding out hope Beo gets fixed.

And becomes competitive

[umbral glade]

yea i am more optimistic than i was a week ago

and i was less optimistic day 1 of the changes than a week ago

[stoic epoch]

Have you checked the beta Summoner chat?

[umbral glade]

so we trending in a good direction imo

not much, kept up mostly with RS and us, the bottom dweller club

i am not even sure that I have attuner unlocked

[stoic epoch]

I checked in today.

Apparently they were asking for more raid speed, like us, but Odie came through and said they're not really supposed to be a dps class.

[umbral glade]

which is fair

[stoic epoch]

"Slow and safe" is how they phrased it.

[umbral glade]

battalions being such a incredibly strong mechanic

[stoic epoch]

Except according to them they're not that safe.

[umbral glade]

has to have some opportunity cost

until raids can spam AoE skills like players

[stoic epoch]

Apparently Coup de Grace hits through Battalions now.

[umbral glade]

the amount of 8k hp 12k ward summoners i've seen die at a tower titan after clearing 48 floors

and then go "wtf why enemy fight back"

like

imagine any other class going in with those stats

and clearing 48 floors

until mobs get more aoe options, battalions will be OP

at least when the summoner player builds tanky (like every other class)

idk how much protect chance you can get from it when you invest into it

since they have adorns? for it iirc

[stoic epoch]

I guess my question then is where does Beo fall on his DPS ------ Tank slider?

[umbral glade]

i think it depends on the celestial

with beoH being on the dps and beoA on the tanky side

12% protect chance is so unreliable that it barely counts

if you take "one raid fight" as an samplesize

over lets say 10000 turns its good

so we are left with VD stat boost after the patch

and the "player can focus on playing full defence while pet still does damage" as our main defence mechanic

[round shore]

probably better for another thread. This poor thread has been derailed too many times.

[umbral glade]

yea true

i am ready to read through all the bonds right about now

especially the skills

[stoic epoch]

We've got that protect chance, but no steadfast. So are we designed to be less tanky but more dps than Deity?

[umbral glade]

i think different

deity does 0 dps when they need to play defensive and recover ward

we lose some dps but can keep the damage up

[stoic epoch]

Yeah, but because they get Steadfast they can pretty safely slot dps accessories.

[umbral glade]

true

Valhallan Protection could need some looking at, but thats maybe a little much for the current balance change

[quiet hill]

I wish we could keep recharge, or at least the mana portion of it. It's a big part of my play style

[quaint maple]

Yeah, there will be time to test. 🙂

[quaint maple]

Try diffuse ward for hard mode dungeons

[sick tinsel]

Bloodshift to not heal

[gentle pier]

That's a viable option if you have tons of ward. I don't think it will work for many myself included. Probably gonna have to make a mana pool build just for hard mode gauntlets. Since base beo has low mp. Basically only enough to cast the buffs needed.

[blazing hull]

you also have the option of an amity that regen mana every turn

[tulip tundra]

With like 23k ward diffuse ward gives me around 2.5k mana

Using diffuse ward 1 btw

[blazing hull]

only problem I see is that it also regen hp, breaking your redline.

[quaint maple]

You definitely don't need much ward to recover mana using diffuse ward, and as Forgeus stated Bloodshift can prevent the heal 🙂

[last bane]

It’s right that the recharge was removed, it interfered more than helped

[summer gulch]

If I'm not using a shield in gauntlets I have 23k ward. Idk how to survive without my comfy 49-60k ward/ farm gear

23k ward is like 1600 mana on diffuse 2

Iirc

[last bane]

just use your pet to deal damage in gauntlets as real-true Beo =.=

[round shore]

I remember I had to use DW way way back in the day. There was a brief time where recharge required >0 damage on the hit to work, and my broken venin didn't get me above 0 damage with guts/lunge so recharge wasn't a reliable option.

It's not the worst thing. For gauntleting generally w/o recharge, usually better to just stack +mana gear and tune your skills so you have just enough mana to make the whole distance every time.

[summer gulch]

I do but sometimes aoe doesn't do enough ;^; so I get nuked by low hp realms (I stun them) or cry at low dmg vs mimics and gazers if they show up (cactus immunity issues, I farm mobs for mats/ event mats, I use beaststrike 4)

It's a balance of gear/build/ situation really

And I'm okay with my issues now

But I have them

They exist, as they should

[summer gulch]

Can't you still miss crit?

I feel I miss crit a few times

And also immune crit

[last bane]

Try using not only cactus?
sometimes better to kill mobs one by one for 5 moves, not all together by 7-12
also instead of recharge you'll get more def&res at low HP by VD

[summer gulch]

You know, you're right. With dungeon stacking I don't really need to be fast anymore don't I

Ymir time

Fjalalalr time?

Idk good single target pets

Mammon aco time?

[last bane]

(also when you get BeoA - you'll get Mana Siphon with he)

[summer gulch]

He?

[last bane]

Beo Auriga have mana siphon

[summer gulch]

Ik that just grammar didn't make sense to me exactly

[last bane]

(and doublecast for pet, that can shot two mobs at one)

[last bane]

sorry, i`m bad in english(

[summer gulch]

Gimme good single target pet suggestions, I haven't played single target in forever

[summer gulch]

Ah that's fine then.

[last bane]

i'm using fjarl, it's enaugh for me
But maybe you'll find better pet Oo

[summer gulch]

Okay then that'll be go too, till I have to face pet immune enemies

[last bane]

mm..you can use elemental affinity from Arcanic
Fjarl has skill that never converts to elemental, but other skills can

In conjunction with the new pet AI - it should not hit the immunities of enemies

[summer gulch]

Meh, affinity needs 2 slots for ele cast and then no affinity for anything immune to the element

Also mimic is immune to all but dragon ele

I'm not hating btw

I'm just providing issues I face

[last bane]

told you - Fjarl can use skill that always hit phisically, even under affinity

[summer gulch]

My solution has been p much beaststrike 4

[summer gulch]

But if that physical changes to a basic element you'll face mobs or bosses who are immune. Thus need no affinity

[last bane]

t9 mimic also can be beaten by magic

[summer gulch]

Idk if fjalalalrs entire move set is physical that can be change elemently but yea

[last bane]

I'll say again: Fjarl has one skill that always hits with physical damage, even under Affinity
The rest are converted to lightning damage (or whichever you choose)
Given that the AI of the pet now may not hit mobs on immunity - he always has something to hit everyone (except for the t9 mimic)

[summer gulch]

Ohhhhh this I didn't understand and didn't know

[last bane]

If the skill says that it hits with a specific element (including physical) - Arcanic's Affinity will never change it

[summer gulch]

TIL

[last bane]

sorry. but what does it mean?
told you, english is not my native language

[summer gulch]

Today I learned: TIL

[last bane]

Thanks
need to put it in my dictionary..

[tulip tundra]

Fenrir

[summer gulch]

You should learn then as well

Tl;Dr: too long; didn't read

AFAIK: as far as I know

Fwiw: for what it's worth

And asap: as soon as possible

There is much much more but spam

[summer gulch]

Does he suffer from affinities?

[tulip tundra]

What do you mean

He does physical damage

[summer gulch]

If he has pure physical dmg that are affected by affinities, then he doesn't really do well for what I like.

Apparently fjalalalf can ignore affinity via its build

[umbral glade]

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLlzodx6aNsV17ukLWQukudwVhr3YtGZem

[last bane]

thanks again :)

[tulip tundra]

All pets ignore affinities

[last bane]

Nope. not all

[summer gulch]

No

[last bane]

You can even combine affinity with Alignes from books/Apolly-event-pet's

[sick tinsel]

Non-elemental skills can be affected by Affinity, pet's and player's alike

[tulip tundra]

When was it changed so that affinities work on pets

[summer gulch]

These are just vs the titans though? How about single atk pets for hoard dungeons?

Thank you though any info good

[umbral glade]

fjalar, best if you got dex^ and crit^ from chests

fenrir, a bit slower but very safe

also buffs atk^^ so you dont have to mimic

[summer gulch]

I remember when affinity got boosted by something that made element do more dmg

I forget the skill

But it was real strong on pets

And got odied

[umbral glade]

fjalar hits everything in tower, no need for align/affinity

[summer gulch]

It was this! This used to affect affinity and make elements do more, but got odied

[last bane]

it may be usefull in Endless, as one more buff

[summer gulch]

Less it got changed back recently

Definitely used to affect pets /w affinity

[summer gulch]

WHAO

Which of the ghost gave this???

[last bane]

there are also dragon for your Chimera

Just wait for "The Plight of Apollyon" event and farm mystic caves

[summer gulch]

Ah so ghost

I thought books only gave basic elements

[hasty knoll]

Interim changes to Bestial Bonds are now live in the beta client.

These changes bring in stat channeling via stat bonds - addressing a core issue in valhallan endgame (little stat progression), while keeping our desired follower diversification through bond choice

[umbral glade]

❤️

[blazing hull]

How does it play with ascension synergy and stat buff like DC ?

[round shore]

time to go find out 😄

[hasty knoll]

you're channeling base+gear stats only

[blazing hull]

excluding AL ?

[summer gulch]

Imagine 🤤

[blazing hull]

or only the stat sheet

[round shore]

follower stat screen only showing world loadout is kinda rough.
theoretically this should all be calculable outside of combat

[hasty knoll]

no AL - that would get a little crazy w/ Follower Ascension

[blazing hull]

so the formula looks like (pet stat + bond stat from only base + gear) * AL from synergy passive

[round shore]

First problem... I can't see Bond effects anywhere.

[blazing hull]

bestiary

[round shore]

Oh there's two bond icons now.

Was hoping to see it here also

[umbral glade]

"Bonded HP x%" --> player has increased hp?

[blazing hull]

bonded buffs don't reflect on pet stat sheet unfortunately

[blazing hull]

yes, maybe later, much needed info

[round shore]

yeah "bonded hp/ward" is a misnomer.

Bonded Ward: player has more ward
Bonded Attack: player's attack stat is partially applied to the follower

[rugged glade]

Bugs

A) "Bonded HP" doesn't work ? #1097570738086621295 message

QoL

A) Misleading transcriptions like : #1097570738086621295 message
B) See the BB effect on pet summary screen : #1097570738086621295 message
C) See the adjusted pet stats after transferred stats : #1097570738086621295 message

[round shore]

I actually don't know what "Bonded HP" does at all.
It's not increasing player HP, and followers don't have HP.

[umbral glade]

yea that was the source of my confusion

[blazing hull]

or the bonded stats are two sided like hybrid monster

[umbral glade]

The abilities are added to the pet, not the player

since that was a question until now

[round shore]

dragons' new skill Wyrmsomething -- dragon damage spell it looks like?
I'm trying to proc Friendship from the humans now with no luck.

[umbral glade]

(dragon gain 3 abilities: wyrm song, wyvern speed and wyrmseal

yea i had no luck with friendship as well

maybe its party based?

[summer gulch]

Did reptile strikes make it?

Or is that from basi

As b3

[umbral glade]

wyrmseal seems to be a damage skill that blights

[hasty knoll]

this will be added in an app update shortly

[round shore]

it's on Lizarr Forces family.
crit^ critmulti^, bonded attack, and reptile strikes

[last totem]

Bond shows stats for the follower you had when opening the game even if you change it.
Updates only after App restart

[umbral glade]

can you explain Bonded HP x% real quick

we cant really figure it out

maybe its bugged?

[round shore]

all the defensive bonds. bonded (hp, ward, def, res)^

[hasty knoll]

although not shown (or used) followers will have these stats. they are then provided to the character

[blazing hull]

Bonded stats are only a chance to proc ? Because bonded hp isn't giving me more hp.

[round shore]

this is the followers giving stats to the player?
I thought the channels would be about the player giving stats to the follower (i.e. for follower-damage based builds, notably beoA).

[hasty knoll]

it may be broken

[round shore]

or is it that (hp, ward, def, res) are pet->player, and (atk, mag) are player->pet?

[last bane]

saved

[umbral glade]

is there a condition for the Raise Dead skill

my ghost doesnt use it at all

[last totem]

That would actually be even better

[umbral glade]

ah nvm it did raise the dead

is just took many turns

3 random skeletons with ~200 hp

the skeletons dont attack

okay nvm

they attack rarely

i should have more patience

the animal bond seems very underwhelming so far

A " ? " tooltip explaining what "Bonded XY" means would be very helpful for the non discord using playerbase

[last bane]

my..weapon affects only to Attack and other rates? Not main stats?

[hasty knoll]

this is shown in your passive list

[umbral glade]

i dont see an explanation for the word bonded in that list

[last totem]

Is the last version available for HoA too or is this separated? Seems like I have no updated bonds at all on the HoA beta client

[umbral glade]

unless i am blind

an explanation for each level of bond yes, but not for "what does bonded even mean"

[hasty knoll]

stat screen?

nm, you need the app update

[round shore]

Errors/curiosities:

• T2 Lesser Golem is considered Animal instead of Giant/Common/Anything else
• T6 Castor with bondHP might be a lot for T7 DK; unsure of HP values for the tier
• T8 Big Cactus being family: giant is a cute easter egg 😄 I like this
• T9 Onryo has Summon Dead twice (base kit + BB)
• Olympia Mnemonics are all Magical (atlas, eistla, ophion)
• Jotun Mnemonics are... something? I can't see the family name anywhere, but it's [arch alchemy, viewdistance, bond ward/atk/mag]
• Steward pets are various (gazer is magic, etc.)

[umbral glade]

"Your bond with your follower grants you: Bonded Resistance (12%), +Ability aaa"
But what does "bonded" mean.
I dont think that is explained ingame

[umbral glade]

Chutulhu is also a mimic

[round shore]

that one was known before, but also yes.

[hasty knoll]

gazers are always Magical, fwiw: https://playorna.com/codex/monsters/crimson-gazer/

[umbral glade]

Is the animal bond still a placeholder? or is it supposed to be 20% earth res, 7% dex bond and 15% dex bond?

[hasty knoll]

none are final, no

we're testing the mechanics

[umbral glade]

okay cool

[round shore]

ah, Jotuns are now Giant family instead of whatever they were before

didn't get to play with bondmag30% and 6-hitting rock toss 😛

[last bane]

it would be nice, if it will give resistance which your fraction weak to

[umbral glade]

the added skills seem to have a very low proc chance from my first few minutes with it

took me like 20 rounds until VVSkeletron used raise dead once

in full pet act gear, tamer, and no calls

Arisen Glashtyn being a animal instead of a magical being feels wrong

[round shore]

I've yet to see Boulder Toss from a Giant

[tulip tundra]

Same here

[round shore]

Lizarr Forces is a cool family that only one thing belongs to 😔

[umbral glade]

are any of the giants unlocked on beta accounts

[tulip tundra]

Tried using skadi too but it still didn't use it

[round shore]

there's a lot of Giants. all the golems, notably.

Or if you had mnemonics on a mirror 🤷‍♂️

[umbral glade]

ah golems

good idea

nidhogg is a beast with his new skills

baha with nidhogg sounds cool

[summer gulch]

Crit multi? For aoe or

[round shore]

crit multiplier (crit damage)

[summer gulch]

Ohhh

What's fjalalalr fey chim and fey cactus bonds owo

[ivory birch]

what's the value?

[umbral glade]

BeoA now has "Enhanced Bestial Bonds" btw
gains access to all bonds and makes them stronger

[umbral glade]

mostly placeholders

odie said balance is not final, more of a mechanic test

[round shore]

common (ornbonus, bondmana) and animal (earthres, bonddex) seem like the weakest families.
A lot of the current really good pets already fall into one of those two, which means no performance boost.

dragon family has bondatk/bondmag and gets wyrm's song and wyrmseal, which is kinda relevant.
giant family has bondward and boulder toss -- if boulder toss ever works.
humans have bondHP and friendship -- if friendship ever works.

magical family is the biggest winner afaict; bondmag, t.mag^ effects, and eleweak hitting.

lizarr forces and nothren forces are really strong but are on very few followers.

[umbral glade]

Animals currently have 20% earth resist, 7% dex bond and 15% dex bond

[umbral glade]

The new BeoA bond passive addresses the point of "the bond stat transfer will be better on base beo"

so thats nice

our currently available families might need some tweaks

[summer gulch]

Whoa that birb

[summer gulch]

Which event was birb

Well maybe, t7

Dmg prolly ehh

[umbral glade]

Nothren Legends

[round shore]

surtr/hel in July.

[umbral glade]

https://playorna.com/codex/followers/gullinkambi/

[summer gulch]

Oh hea that too

[ivory birch]

the bird is utter trash other than the bond 😅

I guess Linda would like it

I'm assuming Linda is nothren

[round shore]

yeah I don't think the bond saves this one. it's a fairly strong looking bond effect though.

[umbral glade]

a t3 fairy with 2 mana related bonds increases my max mana from 1944 to 8296

[round shore]

lind is dragon

[ivory birch]

what the fuck lol

well gullcjaociqofnwns is animal in that case

[ivory birch]

huh

this sounds like the first implementation of pet gear lol

[summer gulch]

So ymir good?

Or ymir is dragon

[ivory birch]

8k attack -> 8.8k attack -> 18k attack...

[round shore]

presumably all the dragons are dragons

[summer gulch]

What I'm thinking

[umbral glade]

arent some "ancient"

or am i misremembering that

[summer gulch]

Hrrrrmmmmmm idk about this update for beoA

Idk tho, not in beta

And bonds are so new that will "receive" tweaks

[umbral glade]

difference in mana stat between using a fae and using a different bond

[summer gulch]

What's friendship do

[umbral glade]

cant get it to proc

[summer gulch]

Rip

[umbral glade]

maybe its something party related

but i dont have friends

[summer gulch]

Same

[sick tinsel]

Lindworm is Lyonesse related, not Northren
Despite both forces being encountered in Battleground

[ivory birch]

ah

cheers

[sick tinsel]

Yes, Meliodas is the ancient king of Lyonesse, before Gradlon taking his throne

But that's not important

We have a problem of Bond repartition

Many followers are in the same family despite not having the same utility

[umbral glade]

gullinkambi's ward bond doesnt work

and the defence/res ones also dont show up in the status window

[manic nimbus]

Earlier discussions on this thread mentioned exactly that. Even if bonds were to become "op".. them being tied to current families would be a big meh

[magic quest]

Meliodas claimed rule after gradlon had fallen

[umbral glade]

ah

friendship gets triggered with allies in fight

i am not sure what it does thou

okay friendship provides temp buffs

but it only gets used when you have a friend (or summoned a skeleton as a substitute)

and it effects both you and the summon

[summer gulch]

Like any temp buff?

Ele res and tall and the like

[umbral glade]

atk mag res def

but for the entire party

[summer gulch]

Neat

1 stack?

[umbral glade]

yea all t.stat^

[summer gulch]

Support beo

[umbral glade]

it fails very frequently

[summer gulch]

Put it on inquest

[umbral glade]

4 summons and 1 player

[summer gulch]

Didn't believe in the power of friendship

[umbral glade]

about half of the friendship casts seem to fail

so current:
Only gets used when at least 2 players/summons are in the battle
~~ 50% chance to gain temp atk+/mag+/def+/res+

reptile strike seems to hit 3 times and can crit

sadly its on a t3 follower

double strike does like 10-14k dmg, reptile strikes does 18-20k, but it REALLY likes to crit with just crit^

[tulip tundra]

Wrymseal is a bit of a problematic spell since it heals you while is th exact opposite of what you want when using lindworm

[last bane]

Agree

[wicked sandal]

is wyrmseal a spell or attack?

name implies spell

[tulip tundra]

Seal = spell

[round shore]

pretty sure nerfing beoA isn't the goal of these changes 😅

[umbral glade]

well i conclude that boulder toss does not work

i even summoned a full field of little dudes

i thought maybe it yeets summons at the enemy

Btw

[ivory birch]

gold and orns are valueless to endgame as well that's nice

me personally I like the sprite

very heart container-y

[umbral glade]

looks like a terraria heart yea

[wicked sandal]

Looks like mana wont be a problem for beo cactus

[gentle pier]

Ugh 300k tower shards though

[ivory birch]

this has to be a bug, right 😅😅😅

[wicked sandal]

Common family has a total mana bond of 200%

it's legit

[gentle pier]

Make it a runeshop item too please. I'd pay 10 bucks to get rid of my Beowulf ascension levels so I can switch to another class. Don't have the will to ascend another class since I have to restart the material grind.

[ivory birch]

there's a feedback thread about it

https://discord.com/channels/448527960056791051/1101540711322619914

better place to post about it than the valhallan thread 👀

[umbral glade]

just yoinked my screenshot

damn

[sick tinsel]

Damn I messed up.
In my head Meliodas is the original king because he looks like a gramps
Meanwhile Gradlon looks younger, so young replaced the old
But heh ... it's the inverse

[stoic epoch]

Gradlon aged like a fine wine

Meliodas got that geritol energy

[ivory birch]

i actually took my own 😛

I made sure it was properly available before making the thread 😆

[umbral glade]

yea i just found it at random looking for some items to test bonds

guess that was completely new info

[ivory birch]

yeah you're the first i'd seen mention it

[manic nimbus]

That orn boost though 😎

Wish it was 30% 😛

[blazing hull]

too bad it doesn't work on hp... Wanted to know what 150% of rhada looks like

[polar locust]

The mana from cactus also counts to increase ward?

[umbral glade]

no

and its likely a placeholder

[gentle pier]

So my current play style on live used lunge heavily to recover MP and I didn't redline as it was too dangerous. I cant figure out how to adapt to the beta, struggling to see the actual gains from the class changes.

[wicked sandal]

Diffuse ward would restore just about all mana at once and if you didn't redline in the first place the fact that it heals hp too is a nonissue for you

[gentle pier]

Also a struggle that I can't get Ward of Ortanite on the beta. I dont have my account mirrored so Im missing some purchased skills.

Ward of ortanite is my opening skill so I can get buffs up without dieing lol

[wicked sandal]

Current bestial bond cactus also means more mana than you could possibly spend

[gentle pier]

I hate cactus with a burning passion XD. He is relegated to horde or party dungeon use, and GS pvp matches in war (though I usually still lose)

[wicked sandal]

horde is like 95% of my dungeons so yeah

and he's still one of the best pets for hard boss too

consistent above average physical damage is good

[gentle pier]

I use fjalar for hard boss.

[hasty knoll]

mana siphon might be the best option

solves some of the mana issue, doesn't hurt redline like recharge

[gentle pier]

hard mode gauntlets I usually use beaststrike 3 to take out mimics and gazers. Fjalar kills everything else.

[wicked sandal]

Have fun when evasive strikes leaves a fallen rs at low hp

[gentle pier]

yea I keep stun dart on hand

[wicked sandal]

or use cactus or fenrir and just deal 50k+ always

[gentle pier]

for him and berserk arisen ronin lol

[wicked sandal]

so that doesn't happen

[gentle pier]

with wyvern speed 2 mimic mischief and gait of gunnr fjalar typically hits 50-150k depending on crits. its just that base melee attack that sucks

Id like to be able to use fey chimera more, but the zerk is deadly.

[manic nimbus]

I think this would be very useful for base beo playstyle

With the removal of recharge and the process of turning base beo a "battle along your pet class" it makes sense to have a mana siphon passive

[gentle pier]

I wish that I had a way to negate pets applying negative status to me. Id love to see what I could do with Crimson Gazer. That was my favorite world farm and PvP pet for a long time.

[manic nimbus]

Now that you mention statuses, I would love a steadfast like passive for valhallans along the lines of "chance of your followers protecting you from a negative status" 👀

[wicked sandal]

5% missing health regen amity (or max health if you don't want to redline for some reason), and you perfectly sustain zerk 1 damage

[gentle pier]

I liked world farming with crimson gazer because you could redline and it would one hit everything in the game.

well until some of the special event bosses

[manic nimbus]

Including beloved hydrus ofc 👀✨

[gentle pier]

I need more amities. Im cursed to get bad ones it seems and I got out of farming them because of it lol

[manic nimbus]

Back to the bestial bonds topic: do you guys think a reorganization of follower families would benefit bestial bonds implementation?

I dont mean a full overhaul but more like a cleaning house situation

[umbral glade]

i think we need some more of them atm

[gentle pier]

I don't think I have a firm enough grip on what we currently have to answer honestly. I still feel like they are secondary to the damage type, output, and action rate of the pets.

Like its a nice add on, but Im still not gonna choose a pet based on it.

[umbral glade]

it would also be very nice if the codex on the webpage actually worked when sorting by families

[rugged glade]

Diffuse Ward + Bloodshift really can't do the job ? 🤔

[manic nimbus]

I agree with your point. I was wondering if a family rework could solve a bit of that

[umbral glade]

again, the current bonds are still placeholders for the most part

[manic nimbus]

Sure could but mana siphon would be a cute passive to have (note: i dont play base beo so im only theorycrafting)

[umbral glade]

its been said that this is more of a mechanic test than a fully balanced version

[gentle pier]

I still think Tamer should be absorbed into Beowulf, so I can not feel bad about choosing a different specialization

they partially did it with the last balance patch for Beowulf but it changed so little it wasnt worth it.

[manic nimbus]

I absolutely love that idea

[gentle pier]

I really dont think Tamer has any utility for any of the other classes either

[manic nimbus]

Would definitely help us branch out to other specs

[umbral glade]

it will with the patch

tamer has level 1 bond

[rugged glade]

I think other classes should be able to bring more of pet in their playstyle

[gentle pier]

The level 1 bonds seem kinda meh currently though so I doubt it will be used.

especially compared to the benefits of other specializations

[umbral glade]

the current versions are not final

again

[gentle pier]

Yea but Im being a realist here, level 1 bonds are for the t8 class, they aren't gonna be that great that people will give up other specializations for them.

[manic nimbus]

Despite being final or not, most used pets are from the animal family and I doubt any beo would not use one of the most used pets for any other despite possible bonds 😦

[umbral glade]

they are for t8 classes and tamer

the thing you said doesnt have enough to it

[gentle pier]

the t8 bond wont be worth sacrificing the abilities that t9 specializations have. I almost guarantee it. Because if they are, then the t8 valhallan class will have more of an unfair advantage. Cause lets be honest at t8 and t9 Valhallan classes rock.

[umbral glade]

tamer also gives pet act

and level 1 bonds

that may just be worth it

more importantly, it is an option

[gentle pier]

Im just tired of feeling locked into tamer because pet act and stats lol

Everytime I try using another specialization RNG decided my pet will skip multiple turns in a row.

[umbral glade]

assassin is just fine for beo

[gentle pier]

its infuriating

[umbral glade]

and thats before we talk attack/magic based beo

[gentle pier]

I tried cataphract

and my pets started sitting there doing nothing for sometimes 3 or 4 turns

[umbral glade]

yea but that just gives you some ward and ward turns

[gentle pier]

went back to tamer, they go every round

[umbral glade]

did you adjust your weapon?

did you use calls?

[gentle pier]

my weapon has pet act/pet stats adorns

well the one I was using at the time

[umbral glade]

tamer only has 8? % pet activation iirc

[gentle pier]

I know but RNG really screws me when I drop it

[umbral glade]

the idea is that you either use pets that dont rely on it as much or substitute for your needs with other sources

and dont get me wrong, i would like tamer to be not as important as it is currently

[gentle pier]

RNG has never been my friend, its like deific channel lasting 1 round for me more often than not lol

[umbral glade]

but options do exist

[gentle pier]

or having to cast stun dart 4 times on a realmshifter lol

[quiet hill]

I would love this. Mana issues are the only thing I think the new changes really hurt

[last bane]

Don't you think that by selling for such a trifle as a "mana siphon", you are losing something Greater? :)

[wicked sandal]

What do you lose? I didn't even use recharge at all (other than needing to bloodshift if I wanted to do some damage of my own in raids)

[umbral glade]

he was making a pun i think

or maybe i am also not understanding

[gentle pier]

I used recharge in hard gauntlets to ensure I had mana to use beaststrikes on mobs immune to physical damage

[wicked sandal]

Volley/twin attack with questing weapons which are innately dragon element

[umbral glade]

i just swap pets if need be

[wicked sandal]

zero mana dragon dmg

[last bane]

I mean that if Odie will give you mana siphon as you ask - he cen give less damage for pet instead than was planned, just in cost of siphon

[gentle pier]

Im not seeing alot of extra pet damage

just extra defense and damage for the player

[umbral glade]

dont make me tell you again that these are place holders

i already did that 3 times

[last bane]

Haven't seen yet*

[gentle pier]

Maybe I try building like a gilga or a realm instead of a beowulf lol

[hasty knoll]

some of the sources of extra damage in the beta:

• Faction bonus now applies to follower elements, granting additional damage
• All stats (including passive) are increased for Beowulf, granting additional damage
• Attack/magic stat bonds added, granting additional damage based on your weapon
• A ton of AI improvements made, making followers opt for skills more often that will deal damage
• Some great skills en route, most that cause damage

there are probably some other things

[gentle pier]

I've always focused on trying to get my pet to do as much damage as possible while trying to survive.

[umbral glade]

My early thoughts from testing a bit today:

• Some added skills seem to have a very notably low chance to be used - namely Raise Dead and Boulder Toss.
• I am not sure if it's intended that the Friendship skill only gets used if it can buff (at least) two things?
• Some bond effects appear in the player Status menu (like the Mana Bond) while most do not.
• Some bonds, like HP, don't seem to work at all.
• Stat conversions (player --> pet) seems to be very low atm
• It feels like we might need a few more families and some of the current followers placed in a better suited one (Chuthulu being a mimic, Arisen Glashtyn being an animal)
• Dragonblight healing the player on a redlining class may need a revisit
• A description for the new skills would be nice
• A ingame tooltip explaining the "Bonded"-mechanic feels necessary (not what a bond provides, just what "Bonded by HP x%" means)
• Some "unique" bonds could be a great thing for new events in the future - this mechanic has great potential for future pets

[gentle pier]

Bonds are a challenge mostly because we have several years worth of content. Imagine if they had been a thing from the start and tailored one by one as new pets were created.

[umbral glade]

I think having a unique bond for every pet is very unrealistic (and unnecessary). That being said, I love to have it being an option in the future

Re unnecessary: a random tier 4 wolf will not be used anyways, so the time that woulda been spend on it would be wasted

[rugged glade]

Not useful for us in T10 :p

[umbral glade]

But having some general families, like Animals, to catch most pets is a good thing. That being said, if the Draconic Era dragons had a different bond than the "average" dragon would make more sense

[umbral glade]

at t4 you would not have access to Bonds

[rugged glade]

True, true

[umbral glade]

also think about a "Egypt themed" content update in the future --> Have a pet family for those pets called (idk) Desert Watchers , yoink Anubis into it, make a special pet, like a Fallen Pharaoh, that has a unique bond to himself rewarding the dedicated pet players with additional power

thats my headcanon for the future of the mechanic

[gentle pier]

In that case that makes an argument for not bothering with adding bonds to pre tier8 pets.

[umbral glade]

you can put them in general categories, like Animals, insects, humans, undead

so if i wanted to use them for whatever reason they had at least something

I think the possibility to add more Families at a later point, once the balance "has been figured out", is a possibility

[gentle pier]

We can be come the Fast and the Furious class, all about family. XD

[rough lotus]

what pets have the share stats bonds? only reptiles for attack?

[umbral glade]

currently mostly placeholders

but (nearly?) every pet has some form of stat related

atm

[gentle pier]

I'm having a hard time wrapping my head around all the changes. Almost worried it's too much at one time.

[umbral glade]

if you change nothing compared to live

you will do the same things

but better

besides recharge on base beo

redlining makes everything you do stronger

[gentle pier]

I gotta experiment some more on the beta server

[umbral glade]

pets are smarter

you get additional options to scale damage

[stoic epoch]

Are bonded stats working?

[umbral glade]

mana seems to be

most are not

[stoic epoch]

Ok

And Friendship requires multiple party members?

[umbral glade]

or summons

[summer gulch]

Does this mean alignment is turned on?

Just wondering

[ivory birch]

hasn't alignment always worked

[round shore]

alignment has always worked

[umbral glade]

affinity didnt and that is unchanged

[summer gulch]

It used to but was turned off

No

It definitely used to affect elements but odie was like no

Gave like a the same bonus that alignment gives
50%?

[round shore]

Oh, there was a bug where alignment didn't work. For a few weeks or a month or so, but that's over a period of years (since the first Kerb was added, which brought alignments). Is that what you're referring to?

[summer gulch]

Maybe but probably not

I'm most certain that alignment was just turned off, odie said something about it was too much a buff to pets with affinity/elements

[summer gulch]

Can you test alignment to tell me I'm wrong?

Or I can too I'm just eating

[round shore]

like, are you asking "does it work right now"?
Sure I'll use an apollyon apprentice.

[summer gulch]

Yea If it works now

[round shore]

that's on the beta.

19k with align, ~12.something without.
about 1.5x as expected.

[elfin rampart]

Alignment works with the faction for pets

I also tested

[ivory birch]

🥳

[elfin rampart]

Non faction pet: 20k average
Faction pet: 23k average

[round shore]

alignment (1.5x) and faction bonus (1.25x) are definitely distinct things and both work.

faction bonus is pretty easy to test with something like Crimson Gazer which has all 4 element skills.
Can watch them do:

• X damage
• X damage
• X damage
• 1.25X damage
  ... with each of the four skills (where it's more on your faction).

[summer gulch]

Hell yea

[elfin rampart]

The day has come

We are at pair with the classes from before towers

[umbral glade]

i hope we get better options to align besides a random offhand proc and a pet

[summer gulch]

Just kerb for endless and brr

(Need dragon book for affinity ig)

[stoic epoch]

So pets get alignment and faction bonus now?

Just saw Fux post

[umbral glade]

check the top pin

[stoic epoch]

Hype

[quiet hill]

I use recharge as a cornerstone of my build, but almost exclusively for the mana.

[umbral glade]

mana pots replace that in everything but hard modes, in hardmodes you can slot in diffuse ward

they might get mana siphon as well

[quiet hill]

I'm hoping for mana siphon. Feels bad to have the class buff ruin my playstyle

[umbral glade]

you might be getting access to a beastial bond that reinforces your play style

i can only recommend getting your character mirrored and testing the new rebalance yourself 👍

[sick tinsel]

Amazing work 👍

[heavy valve]

The beos bestial bonds look pretty cool!

Curious how the numbers will go for them with these changes

[summer gulch]

Alignment + ymir 🤔

Will it smart ai?

Prolly not for that

[sick tinsel]

I used Alignement in Endless with Fjalar to get extra damage and hurting Nidhogg, but Earth Immune mobs are annoying

Also in Raid with Lindworm, because Lyon's Execution is an elementless skill

but you sacrifice Ward from the off-hand

[last bane]

I agree it's not always helpful

Want to have Dragon Affinity :)

[rough lotus]

are there t10 reptiles? or the attack share bond is only t9?

[manic nimbus]

Currently, Bahamut gains access to Bestial Bonds Lvl1 and 2. Beowulf lvls 1, 2 and 3. Beowulf Auriga has access to all + enhanced versions. Should Hydrus get access to a level 2 bestial bonds instead of only lvl 1?

disclaimer note: I play Hydrus so I am biased 😛

[hushed helm]

Lvl 2 for hydrus seems fair. But also biased

[umbral glade]

On a scale from 1 to 3, how much does BeoH rely on its pet as a source of damage?

[wicked sandal]

0

[umbral glade]

and thats why they don't have bestial bonds 2/3

[wicked sandal]

Bonds are more than buffs to the follower though

But yeah having either 1 or 2 is fine

[hushed helm]

Do we get for example the dex passive from a pet bond for our own character?

[last bane]

1-2, depends on pet

[hushed helm]

Dc phoenix is a solid 3 imo

[wicked sandal]

source of damage, not source of utility/buffs

Hydrus doesn't really rely on pet damage other than occasional second chance/straggler clean up

[last bane]

well...then 0.5 :)

[umbral glade]

yea the idea is that the player gets a buff from the (hidden and unused) pets stats

[wicked sandal]

Dex is actually a used stat on followers, you just can't see how much they have

[hushed helm]

If a pet bond would give me dex. It would be a huge dmg up in higher endless

Because a miss is 0

And probably a death xD

[last bane]

even pet protection from Hydrus a bit low, i can't hope in it

[hushed helm]

The protection is unreliable i agree

[wicked sandal]

Hydrus doesn't have valhallan protection, so no wonder

not that base and auriga's protection is reliable, but hydrus doesn't have it in the first place

[hushed helm]

Our pet can die for us 1 time

[last bane]

i mean Hydrus Passive

[hushed helm]

But not a very high chance

[wicked sandal]

I would gladly trade budget second chance for just about any other defensive passive in the world

Although it's nice to have in pvp offense

[hushed helm]

Yes i would 2

[rough lotus]

is there bonds lvl 4? or how Auriga + Tamer works?

[hushed helm]

If it would be 100% i would keep it. Could be clutch in endless

[wicked sandal]

There is no bond 4, but Auriga has a sort of bond 4 which enhances the effect of the bonds to some degree (by how much I haven't tested)

Tamer will not give a bonus bond level

[umbral glade]

Yea BeoA has "advanced bonds", giving them all benefits at all times and increasing them

that was to address the "due to hybrid monster and base stats this works better on BaseBeo than on BeoA"

[wicked sandal]

That's part of it, but I would say it's broader than that

and that Auriga, the more pet focused of the three, didn't actually feel that much more pet focused than base at all

Particularly cause of the unreliability of auriga's double act in every content except raids

[umbral glade]

That is honestly still a problem for now. We will need to see more of the actual Bonds for that to change

[umbral glade]

hey thats my graphic !

[last bane]

Yeap :)

[elfin rampart]

Raw +Stats and Act Rate for the pet

[rough lotus]

ok that is great, the level being wasted would be super annoying

[elfin rampart]

Also, it grants access to Beastslayer II

Which can be used for [ ] reasons

[umbral glade]

Yea Tamer is somewhat outdated

I still wish it had a passive that makes the pet follow your targeting

or an active skill that does the same

[wicked sandal]

Tbh I'd rather they improved the act rate on tamer and gave bond 2 + one level of smart ai, then removed the pet stats and put the lost stats on dissonance/dissonance 2

So it'd be an interesting option for non valhallans and hydrus, and base and auriga are no longer forced into a specific specialisation

[umbral glade]

i can still see an argument for 100% pet act chance on beoA

but that would make things like call of jord 2 the best

[wicked sandal]

but could still opt into tamer if they for example want large amounts of act rate (to use call of jord or something)

[umbral glade]

over everythign else

[last bane]

what about amities? can they rise pet's elemental damage?

[summer gulch]

Bond 2 hydrus+ fae

[manic nimbus]

Hydrus doesnt need mana xd

But those orn gains 😎 eheh

[wicked sandal]

use mimics then, those have exp+orns on bond 1, and higher than that too iirc

[summer gulch]

There a orn gain pet? Can I see?

[summer gulch]

Or rather can you ss those 👀

[manic nimbus]

Look at that fae screenshot!

I think fey cactus has the +3% orn bonus too

[manic nimbus]

Ohhh interesting

[summer gulch]

Oh I thought it was insane orns gain

Mimic prolly crazy tho

[umbral glade]

its not

<10%

[wicked sandal]

it's not that much, but it's more than the common family bonus

so if you were going to use a follower just for more orns, you might as well use one that gives the most

unlikely you'd pick it over a better damage/utility follower though

[summer gulch]

Mightiest mimic pretty good, not reliable, bit maybe can work for hoards

[misty acorn]

finally someone who likes the recharge, i like it too lol. I am sad to see it go

[primal bough]

I like it me too

it gives good survivability and you feel safe

[heavy valve]

Are the bonds working atm? I see them on the world buffs, but things like bonded HP and stuff seem to not be changing stats on my end.

Or I might be misinterpreting lol

[umbral glade]

some of the stat buffs dont work atm

and with some i mean, i think only mana works

[rough lotus]

I think bonds should be per pet and not by family. This could be a way to buff less used pets and make easier to Nerf the most used ones.

[last bane]

Can you imagine this amount of work?

[umbral glade]

yea its a hard sell to make nearly 200 unique bonds

[rough lotus]

Vahallan Dissonance should start at 100% since recharge is removed for better synergy.

[umbral glade]

especially for low level pets

since bonds start at t8

[rough lotus]

https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-quagsire-poker-face-pokemon-meme-gif-25436334

Generic ones are already made they just need to tweak for each. Each monster should have a role and the bonds could also be in that way too.

[umbral glade]

i agree with you

but think about the hours of work

[rough lotus]

Otherwise you have a critical hitting pet with a bonus healing.

[umbral glade]

for something a fraction of the playerbase will ever use

current bonds are still a placeholder fyi

[rough lotus]

Generate a XML/JSON list with all stats, tagged by roles usage and all current bonds as examples. Then all pet stats abilities and supposed roles. Put into chatgpt or other AI. Run a few generations. Boom.

[rough lotus]

That is what Nintendo says about Pokémon and why it is going down hill for their new monsters. The same should not happen. The more unique the better and that is undeniable. The effort required can be easily circumvented with generation nowadays, sure it will require tuning and balance, but it also pays off with also being a tool for tunning balance itself.

[umbral glade]

are you comparing a multi billion dollar franchise to a 6man team now

[rough lotus]

I am saying the multi billion dollar made a mistake and the 6 man team should not make the same mistake because the multi billion dollar franchise can afford the mistake.

[umbral glade]

you need to remember that bestial bonds get accessed by a low amount of players and the time and effort is better invested in new content than making a tier 3 snake unique from a tier 4 snake, both nobody will ever use

[rough lotus]

If that was the case then more content should always be over balance and people should all play the same class so not to overwork the devs.

[umbral glade]

i think unique bonds have great potential, i advocated for them more then once

but i think a tier 3 snake does not need it

like, if it was Ymir, the big bad of the draconic era event that had it

i would consider that great

[rough lotus]

I don't see a problem in snakes in different tiers having the same bonds. But a bird with the same as a snake and a wolf is different.

[umbral glade]

Having more families than currently has been suggested multiple times

[rough lotus]

Although one can be a status poison snake and other a multi attacker. Then it should differ by role not by looks.

[umbral glade]

i think "more" is a much better argument than "having one for each follower"

[rough lotus]

I think by role should be the safe separation then. Few roles yet all distinct and fitting all pets.

One for each way to deal damage similar to the fomorian event ones.

[umbral glade]

would you ever use a tier 2 follower as a bestial bond class, which requires tier 8 or even tier 10 if we consider level 3 bonds

[rough lotus]

Bonds should only be tier 10 then as I don't see any issue with pet classes before that tier.

[umbral glade]

its accessible via tamer

and the god classes at tier 8

[rough lotus]

Then tier 9 and 8 pets could justify their orn cost. By having generic bonds 2 and 1 max respectively. While tier 10 have 3 bonds related to their roles.

[umbral glade]

i think some more "families" would help right now to clean up the current roster of pets. having unique bonds for future events might be a cool idea to give Beo new pets for their damage

[rough lotus]

Family is not a good way to do it because you have a slime and a medusa in the same family. They play differently. By role it will solve that issue while still being simple and easy to do (not many roles) plus it would better address the lacking damage issue.

[umbral glade]

slime being "common" and medusa being "mythical creature" could sort them

same goes for arisen glashtyn, which is a animal right now

[rough lotus]

That requires more imagination and there would be more issues because then some like gryphon would fit that role while hydra is ambiguous etc

[umbral glade]

ah okay, t7

[gentle pier]

T7 I noticed this last night

[umbral glade]

yea makes sense that beastmaster has it as well

[polar locust]

The skin changed? 🤔

[gentle pier]

Yknow I was thinking about gear last night, and really it's another whole discussion. But I feel like this game needs better variation in gear to allow different builds. Similar to set/magic items, where you can focus a build around spells/skills. Gear is seriously lacking variation.

[polar locust]

Yeah the skin of beastmaster changed lol

[gentle pier]

Imagine being able to say make a build around gear that boosts effectiveness of say Gait of Gunnr or Gait of Snotra.

Or for RS being able to build a set that makes realmstrikes less likely to miss.

[sick tinsel]

You don't mistake with Tamer ?

[polar locust]

oh yeah maybe i mistaked

[stoic epoch]

I wish I could test Ymir out with the changes to dragon bonds

So the Bonded stats increase both player and follower base stats by the listed amount? Or they will when they actually work?

[last bane]

And Gorinych too

[misty acorn]

With the incoming potential ascension nerf and the possibile redline addition you should start using your good offensive stats the class offers instead of pet only, you're gonna have a better time

The class itself can do more damage than the pet

[umbral glade]

yea but then i could just play heretic

[misty acorn]

Lol well I mean you could if you wanted

I'm just saying try using pet and your own

[umbral glade]

i play the class because ungabunga realmstrikes is the thing i do not want to do

[misty acorn]

Yeah same, I agree with you tbh

[umbral glade]

and i unlocked gilga hercules for guardian strikes and chained shield

[misty acorn]

It's just that pets will never be strong

[umbral glade]

to use on beoA

[misty acorn]

Most I could get Ymir to do was 5.4m maxed out

[umbral glade]

i am more than fine with doing player damage at opportune times

but i dont want it to be my focusd

[misty acorn]

Oh definitely don't make it the focus but try add it on top so you don't feel as weak

[umbral glade]

as i said, i use chained shield frequently in towers

[misty acorn]

Just my suggestion, personally I love pet only it's just the state of the game

[umbral glade]

but if i could use "cheer your pet on so it does more damage" i would do that

[misty acorn]

For raids I usd sp3 for buffs with a weapon that has assassin's

That's my version of Cheering them on haha

Or riposte 3 rules now btw

[umbral glade]

yea that might be the next class i will unlock

[misty acorn]

Def and atk buff and ward turns incase anyone overlooked that

[umbral glade]

or beoH just so i have access to it

[misty acorn]

But also sp3 0s out of you're low ascension in raids

[wicked sandal]

yeah riposte 3 and horizontal slash 3 are quite good

[misty acorn]

But I'm asc 106 so I don't have that problem

[wicked sandal]

ward turns, temp buffs on riposte, def down on hs3

both have high m1

[umbral glade]

my current idea is to ait for the patch

to see if there are some new skills i want

[misty acorn]

I use rip 3 in dungeons as BeoA and it rules

[umbral glade]

and then i'll decide if i want GilgaU or something else

realmshift 2 could be an option

[wicked sandal]

the chance is too low to bother fishing for the temp doubles for everything other than amorri and OR raids tbh

[misty acorn]

Even at al100 I still need to max buff and redline to clear hhb

[wicked sandal]

You could probably sweep with hydrus

[misty acorn]

Whoa what is this?

I can sweep in orn gear haha

[wicked sandal]

yeah orn gear + gobannos boots

probably don't even need boots at 100+

[misty acorn]

Don't even need those

[wicked sandal]

think you need around a60-70 for hydrus sweep t11 hhb

[misty acorn]

I didn't farm that event cause I chose all the paths

It was pretty bad lol

I took off all rng with my sweep build too, no DC or lugus

[umbral glade]

https://playorna.com/codex/spells/realmshift-ii/

[misty acorn]

I meant the fishing thing

[umbral glade]

yea fish for buffs

as in, click and hope for the best

[misty acorn]

I don't even know this

Lolol

[wicked sandal]

I didn't mean it like actual fishing, but 'keep trying for the t.att/mag2'

[misty acorn]

Oh hahahahahaha

[wicked sandal]

metaphorical

[misty acorn]

That's hilarious

[umbral glade]

its luck based, and he considers the chance to low

[misty acorn]

I get it I get it

That's funny

About to start fishing in game for buffs

Im gonna have to wait for the ascension change then probably have to swap out of beo

I don't think I could stand doing even less damage

[umbral glade]

have you seen the first draft of bestial bonds?

we already came a long way since

[misty acorn]

The 15 thing is amazing yeah but if they nerf ascension even if it cancels out which I doubt it will yeah it might be too bad

15 percent stats I mean.

[umbral glade]

honestly, i think beo's damage is fine - the problem is that everybody else does WAY TOO MUCH damage

if every class would be on our current level

it would be fine

[misty acorn]

I did think that then I saw the metrics and also the fact people 0 my pets out at al100

It's way worse than I thought

[umbral glade]

but lets be honest, its much easier to buff beo than it is to tell every other class they are losing half their dmg

[misty acorn]

Oh yeah that's why I like it I think lol

I like stacking ward as well

Lots of balancing issues tho but yeah the ascension thing is gonna hit me hard and I already have to not use pets in pvp

Cause they do 0

And towers I use chain shield

Raids beoH is faster

Should probs just change lol

You think they will actually add all these changes?

[umbral glade]

i think bestial bonds has a good chance to be a great mechanic

[misty acorn]

I don't really care for those or the redline but that player offense to pet offense better go through lol

[umbral glade]

but i am not yet convinced it will take my current dmg output and set it to the same or at least similar level to other classes

[misty acorn]

Hell no lol, it'll just help people who can't ascend to power up pets

Follower gear is just bad so having a strong weapon make you do more damage is epic

Im very excited for it

The reason I like it is because the current ways to make pet stronger are not good

[umbral glade]

yea thats true

[misty acorn]

Ascension or die Instantly with 0 ward

That's your choice hahaha

And I'm al100 and I still hit 0s and do 10% the damage of other classes

Soooooo

[umbral glade]

guess you need to be 200

[misty acorn]

If the follower % actually multiplied that would be a different story

If you stack the follower augs to 50% you barely notice a change

So just run defensive and utility which is why beo is my fav

[umbral glade]

i am looking forward to the next iteration of bonds

or, lets say, one where most stuff works

if reptile strike is an indicator, it would be really nice

it crits frequently, does much more damage than the lizarrs other skills

having that on a good pet would be great and actually increases the average damage per turn

does it increase the damage to the gilga / heretic / deity / RS levels of damage in raids on its own - no, but it will help in combination with other stuff

[misty acorn]

I haven't tried this but sounds epic

[last bane]

Can you share your way of killing A.Morrigan by BeoH?

[wicked sandal]

He doesn't play hydrus

afaik

[last bane]

i have seen his screen from OR..

[umbral glade]

i dont even have beoH unlocked

i play beoA only

i can give you those lol

[last bane]

Okaaay....

[misty acorn]

There are a few ways! The 2 fastest are crit or spiked shield

Maybe the wrong place to discuss though, might get off topic

[stoic epoch]

Redline addition?

Must have missed that, can you explain?

[wicked sandal]

the part about dissonance redline affecting us (albeit at a reduced amount than our follower)

[misty acorn]

If I am correct, I saw they are adding the redline to affect both player and pet

[stoic epoch]

Oh

That

Gotcha

[misty acorn]

Tap into that extra potential

[stoic epoch]

It helps, sure, but pet damage is already low.

[misty acorn]

Possibly why they're adding things to help the actual player do more damage too, if they doubled the pet damage it might throw balance off in pvp

[last bane]

Guess fjarl at lvl2-3 bond needs a lay-spikes buff

[polar locust]

That would be crazy

[last bane]

why?

[polar locust]

T.crit 3

Of the ai worked well it would be always critting

[polar locust]

crazy=good

[last bane]

bound, not skill
But yes, it would be good

[stoic epoch]

Had some time to play around with Base Beo this weekend. Raiding by layering on player / pet damage is faster comparatively.

Seeing 9kish mana with the cactus equipped was a bit of a shock.

[stoic epoch]

Wyrmseal on Lindwurm just further dilutes the move pool

[round shore]

Wyrmseal on Lindworm also causes it to heal the player

[stoic epoch]

Eww

Hadn't considered that

[round shore]

BeoA raiding thus suffers a bit. Surely not intentional

[stoic epoch]

Gunnr nerfs it into the ground, though, so not gonna heal that much

Still not good

I know the concept of gunnr / snotra influencing pets to restrict magic / att abilities got tossed around, but did Odie say that was a possibility?

[umbral glade]

he never commented on it when i brought it up

idk if he did when i wasnt around

Brynhild helps with the movepool since the smart AI really likes to follow up the debuff, but yea its one of the pets which would not like another move thats better than the average move

lindworm is one of those pets that would really enjoy a unique bond

[fervent sedge]

What does the friendship ability do for bond lvl 3?

[umbral glade]

buffs temp stats if atleast 2 people are in battle

or you and summons

[summer gulch]

50% atk/def^ for party and frens 🙂

[umbral glade]

atk def mag and res

and ~50%

[fervent sedge]

Ooo ok nice

[umbral glade]

i didnt test it for very long, but looked like 50% chance

[summer gulch]

50% chance cast, 100% buff?

[umbral glade]

no

random chance to cast, like other spells, 50% chance to buff the target

[summer gulch]

Oh yea that

[umbral glade]

what buff is yet another rng pro

proc

[summer gulch]

Just woke up

[stoic epoch]

All in all I'm seeing about a minute shaved off my raid times on my base Beo mirror with the changes so far.

[umbral glade]

that should just be redline buffs, most of the bond stuff doesnt work yet (or at least the last time i checked)

and the base stat buff

[stoic epoch]

Also, would it really cause some sort of balance issue if the dragons got wyvern speed 2 instead of 1?

It'd be nice to free up a skill slot.

[umbral glade]

please just give us access to level 3 finally

put it on Baha H

or Beo H

Fail chance on pet buffs are super annoying

i had Fenrir fail 2 bloodlusts in a single turn with a Auriga proc more than once

[stoic epoch]

Redline + base stat + faction element damage bonus

Need more skills slots

Having to dump a defensive skill to slot affinity

[gentle pier]

I have felt this way with Beo for a while. Especially base beo as currently live. Most of my slots are used for buffs, leaving me 1 or 2 offensive skills.

[foggy terrace]

I'm still Cata for Tower climbing, but I have ~half buffs. Not expecting much to change on my skills once I get Hydrus either.

[polar locust]

The difference between ones that attack and others that rely on pet

[sick tinsel]

There are improvements to be made

Well we're not here to discuss Beowulf build

But more Beowulf passives and bestial bonds

[umbral glade]

There are some new changes on the beta btw
Mimics gain the abilities: Prism Wall, Miasma, Confuse
Humans gained: Friendship+
Animals gained: Bind
Magical gained; Bold Volley (which seems to be a 3 hit attack giving you t.mag+)
Dragons now have Bonded Attack and Magic 10% twice (at level 2 and 3)

most bonds still dont work, HP / Ward / Def / Res

8504 atk and 6722 mag with a celestial staff + godforged afey crowsong on a fafnir
and
10022 atk and 7923 mag with a +0 firepike and arisen shield

[hasty knoll]

bonds should all work now. can you show an example?

[umbral glade]

it really doesnt like a xelestial staff in the main hand, bricks fafnirs atk/mag

eh

i used a human

didnt seem to increase my hp

Gullinkambi also didnt give me ward def or res

golems still dont use Boulder Toss atm

the mana bond also doesnt seem to increase my mana anymore, unlike it did before

[polar locust]

Fjalar is what type?

[last bane]

animal

[umbral glade]

animal

let me beat up a cactus real quick to see what bind does

[last bane]

https://orna.guide/search?searchstr=bind

[umbral glade]

yea seems accurate

it did paralyze on the first hit

[last bane]

nice

Wyrmseal still stays at Dragons(

[umbral glade]

evasive strikes is better now btw

does 2 hits

[ivory birch]

it always has

[umbral glade]

ah

[last bane]

what Friendship+ for? What does it doing?

[umbral glade]

feels like it deals more dmg than before

[polar locust]

Bind is good for anything?

[umbral glade]

bind is less dmg per hit than evasive strikes

[ivory birch]

temp buffs if allies exist

[polar locust]

Like the paralyze it causes for the mob to not act right

[umbral glade]

that was friendship 1, friendship 2 is new

[last bane]

looks not very usefull for me..

[umbral glade]

ill test friendship real quick

and with quick i mean i need to summon things which may take a bit

but yea, bind would be fjalars lowest dmg move

[last bane]

smt new at Ymir?

[umbral glade]

i dont have access to ymir

on my beta character

would need to get my char mirrored

[last bane]

Eh.. me too

[ivory birch]

mirroring doesn't bring followers (or codex completion)

[polar locust]

I dont see it like a good skill for him

[umbral glade]

but dragons are adjusted

[last bane]

I have mirrored, but still no ymir, even at shop :)

[umbral glade]

.

[polar locust]

The prism wall from mimic is cool

For dungeons

[umbral glade]

friendship+ seems to be friendship but more success rate

ward of balor 3 exists

miasma on mimic might make it very inconsistent as a dmg pet

ah

friendship 1 got changed

it only works on the player now

friendship+ is still aoe

okay nvm friendship is 1 target, not just the player

friendship+ is all things

[polar locust]

Until i buy that, it will take a lot of time lol

[umbral glade]

ward of balor 2 also exists on gilga

[polar locust]

I know

[last bane]

Looks like i wouldn't be happy to use some habitual pets cause of their new skills...it can become less useful as before...

[polar locust]

Is just that with that i didn't need to use balor 2

[umbral glade]

balor2 still has dark and holy resistance

delaystrike on Gullinkambi seems nice

but yea
Friendship -> single target chance to gain one or multiple of: Temp Atk+, Mag+, Def+, Res+

Friendship+ -> same effect but for all targets instead of random single target

[last bane]

Ebon Scruug has ability called "Friendship"...just ironic

[umbral glade]

friendship(+) also seems to have more success rate now

usually 1 of 6 friendship+'s fail instead of ~3 from last time

dragons now use Wyvern Speed 3

instead of 1

[last bane]

what is "Stonefire" at BalorForces?

[umbral glade]

idk i havent tested that one yet

[last bane]

they still have healing wyrmseal

[umbral glade]

wyrmseal is still there yea, but i havent tested if it still heals

stonefire is a magic attack

gets used rather rarely compared to the other skills but that might just be low samplesize

it might be be unlucky but it doesnt seem to do anything but dmg

didnt see burning or petrify as one might think by the name stonefire

[stoic epoch]

Just so I'm understanding, the bonded stats give the percentage listed from the weapon to the pet?

Or is it suposed to show up on your character sheet as well?

Like, the mana one shows up on my character sheet

From Cactus

But the dragon one isn't showing up on my Mag / Att

[umbral glade]

TMM has 6842 base magic without items
using a 1680 magic celestial staff gets it to 5642 (lol, bonds really dont like celestial items)
using a 1708 magic arisen qatvanga give its 6842 magic

as in, that doesnt seem to work yet

let me check: current equip 3169 atk, 3169 mag with TMM

released TMM -> no pet -> 3169 atk and magic

__
The Mightiest Mimic LOVES to spam prism wall when you already have prism wall

even with skadi2

[stoic epoch]

I'm not seeing Bonded ATT / MAG reflected on either the character stat sheet or the pet stat sheet

[umbral glade]

that is with skadi2

every 10 turns i get a fey damage spel

havent seen an ultima yet

it uses Prism wall > confuse > miasma > dmg spell

okay fey spells are used more than miasma maybe, but very infrequent between the prism wall spams

[wicked sandal]

TMM's buff% is 100 after all

skadi can't do shit against that

[umbral glade]

yea but the problem is that its buffed while there is no benefit to it

but you are right of course, i forgot about the 100%

[wicked sandal]

yeah idk why prism wall gets recasted so often

[umbral glade]

Delayed strike seems to be a RS corvus skill

[wicked sandal]

by normal buff standards it should acknowledge that you already have the buffs, and then not try to cast it anymore

[umbral glade]

ah delay strike is nyx corvus

"potentially pushing back their next turn in battle"

currently on the Nothren forces bond

no wyvern speed 3 on any class sadly

besides the dragon bond

[spring elm]

Fey yeti raid also spammed prism wall last I fought one. I don't remember this being the case before.

[misty acorn]

The ai and prism wall is a big problem lol

Guess what? It's been there forever man. The Cthulhu has spammed prism wall for like a year and no one's noticed or fixed it lol

[umbral glade]

on live fjalar wouldnt spend 80% of its turns using speed after it already has dex+

and it doesnt on beta