some about gilga

[spice sparrow]

For old player, it is well known that Gilga is a love-hate relationship class. High cost and good enough return. The problem just not new player friendly. Yet, it for a period of time during the time that SS still can critical hit and only effective used by Gilga. The SS deity gone and Gilga finally get a seat in the game.

Good times don't last long, skill SS rework, no critical hit and formula change. The investment in critical build is gone, many players retried or switch to deity and RS. Few Gilga players keep going on as SS still in acceptable range, although the damage not enough and no good cost efficiency.

More, content update, horde mode, class adjustment and equipment update. It not took the beneficial from melee enhance, no follow up in multi target and extremely high cost haven't improved. Gilga missing out all the adjustment. Gilga haven't got a positive follow up and start outdated. All other class take great on different aspect, fast raid RS/deity/Herec, mega Pavane/Maji AOE for horde or god tier GS for all content. It just keeps powerful on turn one in PVP offensive. Only for top end setting and AL. Facing theses, various players still keeping complain Gilga that too powerful.

For new content, celestial class.it doesn't improve the situation.

--hercules
We all know how powerful it is. Without it, just we face negative status in all time and unable to take action. No ability to restraint negative status, just spend all time to recovery. Gilga get higher up bound and lower action ability in the same time. A powerful class with no action. Unlock it and switch to base class for a normal game play.

--ursa
The class auto attack. Obviously, without that skill, it is not ready for the current environment. Powerful of auto but not the class.

Under this environment, it is frustrated and no one would pay for this extremely cost class. It wouldn't have new joiner. Only few enthusiastic player keep going on.

Face it and give some love to it.

[sand orchid]

I'd say gilga is in a really good position apart from orn endless and world farming (although ig ursa solves the world farming problem)

[sweet moon]

Agree, when someone ask me I should play gilga I always say "only IF" you are in for the long grind gilga is the most dependent of gear +AL to make that class worth it.
Hercules good for short raids.
Ursa "is fun in a way"

I would love to have the crit back to ss, not going to happen cause the rest of class probably will not be happy, but actually I would @ odie to answer why we can get that back?

[sand orchid]

I'd prefer gilga to not rely on crit

Since it'll just be like the old ss since there are many boosts to crit damage

Imo it's fine as it is

[lean topaz]

crit was removed due to pvp being broken

but right now everyone can have that level of damage anyway

but if i had to guess why they did not revert it, its for variety

literally every class relies on crit because of how broken it is

[sweet moon]

I know why was removed, and how broken was, but right is even, more broken and we are not Invited to the party.

[hard falcon]

Not really

Gilga has one of the best skill set to do every content except orn endless.

They can complete a raid almost every time.

And they can also get fast with good gear

So does every other class

[remote patrol]

well they're finally separating pvp and pve balance anyway, i now don't mind them getting crit back on their SSs

[sweet moon]

"Set" skill,you mean ss right, and that's about it.
and almost is a "wide" term

[remote patrol]

i only hated the crit on pvp but i didn't care if they're doing raids in 10s

alao OP didn't talk about the good formula buff and the static miss chance change

[hard falcon]

I mean, Gilga is really great in everything except orn endless.

[sweet moon]

Sure it is, now show me your "really great" with out AL or event gear, so we can compare how good we are vs some other classes

[spice sparrow]

High completion rate, not related to class ability. Because of class style, player would boost ward as high as possible. Hence, it conforms to fulfill the basic ward to survive in various aspects.

All players can take attention on it, but most just ignore it and focus on boosting damage. Low completion rate is not the class problem.

Also, there are tons of gear for other non Gilga class to boost ward and hp. these gear give more defensive status than warrior gear. (more, the basic status, heretic and deity own the higher ward than gilga)

Build setting problem, not the class ability

It is well known that Gila need multiple cost to achieve the same efficiency. Gila with top end gear, just the start point. Although with these gear, double or triple time to finish the content compare with other class, especial horde mode.

Gilga fast

lol

[hard falcon]

Without event gear and high al only gs is good. And then heretic.

[hard falcon]

It's the class ability.

They get more stronger with max ward.

Just how RS gets stronger with less hp.

So both of them will try to aim for that thing. So it's class's ability.

[hard falcon]

Gilga does need a lot to build himself good. But it's not just Gilga.

And Gilga has very high survivability compared to other melee class. The other class has more dps for that lack of survivability.

[sweet moon]

Don't you understand what mcdull writte.
Others classes can do that too, but they chose not too.

[hard falcon]

Can do. Does it benefit them? No.

Gilga can have all the ward and get stronger.

Other classes can't have all that ward and be at full potential.

And survivability also includes, steadfast and second chance

And you can remain at Max hp and max mana without losing stat boost to you.

[spice sparrow]

ward is not class ability, it's for everyone.

[sweet moon]

Because is the nature of the class.
Of course gilga can be a more dps class over survival too, but we chose not too, but again for that we need al+gear,etc,etc.

[spice sparrow]

Other classes just a single weapon can achieve multiple time dps of gilga.

[sweet moon]

But again prove me wrong and show me what are you saying.

[hard falcon]

If Gilga didn't need more ward for more dps, they won't try to gain more ward and instead go for dps

And every class needs al and gear too

[sweet moon]

Now for all the people who is coming to show me the data from odie, unfortunately that data doesn't show the whole picture.

[sweet moon]

Not as much as gilga, that's why the OP is asking.
To buff early play for gilga.

Jesus Chris read and understand what people is writing

[spice sparrow]

Check the class status and ability. no any efficiency for Gilga go in att. Also, the lowest dex(well GS lower) give the "great" miss rate.

Gilga need multiple time cost to achieve the same thing. it is not same for other class

[hard falcon]

I agree that early stage Gilga needs a lot of work.

[south quartz]

Early gilgas need a lot of help and I'd argue that warrior gear as a whole needs help, same with thief.

GS being god tier is...kind of laughable. We're even slower than gilga is without ultima abuse. But yeah can absolutely agree that early gilga is one of the roughest t10 starts

[kindred meteor]

Name that Warrior/thief gear that is competitive to this:

Note, it’s only at master forged

And I think it is worth noting that gilga is worth, after 20-30 ALs.

No diversity of specs, no diversity of gear. Just kinda being Rhada, fey yeti and finesse the class

[hard falcon]

And apparently as a thief I have everything.

Because the game knew the thief isn't the one for me.

And that shoe and aegir stance are the definition of powercreep

[kindred meteor]

I think I didn’t say you had everything.

Mostly I would like a melee option for sequencer. That seems quite fun and meta!

[hard falcon]

Yeah, early Gilga and Beo need some help

[sand orchid]

I wouldn't say early beo needs help but early gilga definitely

[hard falcon]

It's hard for them to survive with weak defences

[sand orchid]

Yeah but beo can build ward pretty easily

Since beo can wear almost any gear

Trust me I know

I've played early game beo

[kindred meteor]

I think early beo was fine when I did it. Beo just struggles from player power creep and follower damage being finite without Als

[sand orchid]

Agreed

[kindred meteor]

About 230 it is worth switching to your “main” class. At least a few years ago 😅

[hard falcon]

True

I used beo because of draconic event

It did great for early 230

[proper spire]

Gilga requires the most investment out of any class since a Weapon will never be enough. You gotta build enough of everything including Armor, Accessories and Shields in order to play that class effectively. Most other classes rely entirely on their Attack / Magic stat (or both), which means that a decent weapon is enough to plow through content effectively. And if a class doesn't depend on their own offensive stats, they don't necessarily require top-end Ornates to perform well.

Gilga IMO is one of the most investment-requiring classes out of all the options available, and I think this is the main reason why it is regarded as a more late-game-oriented T10 Class

Not complaining about it's state and ideas though - You get a massive chunk of survivability for the cost of damage, and that's perfectly fair. But the disparity between a fresh T10 Gilg and even a 240 Gilg is massive

[autumn scaffold]

Same goes for Deity, have you ever seen a Lv225 Deity ? Some classes need stuff and AL. The only problem is that you would expect them to outperform other classes once you invested enough but sadly, it's not the case.

[hard falcon]

Deity is jack of all trades.

Not the best in everything but good in everything too.

So it's understandable that it isn't able to surpass some classes in some things.

[autumn scaffold]

doesn't change my point that lv225 deity is a joke compared to beo or rs. when fresh T10 I've done all raids with rs/raider (easy) and horde with beo/cactus (easy). now try to do morri with a lv225 deity in T9 gear you'll see.

[spice sparrow]

225 deity with maji, buy the fey spell and just go.

good enough on raiding, horde and so on.

pros with all gear available

any disadvantage can improve from all class gear

empty gear and try raid, you will experience what's the class ability

[hard falcon]

Yeah, that's why there's a diversity of classes. You can use different class as a starting point and choose to main something else later.

[autumn scaffold]

@spice sparrow sounds like a "you" problem here. Sure Gilga is not the best starting T10 but it's far from being unusable. From what I read it's more like you bought Gilga but you don't have warrior gear. I'm pretty sure you can get good enough results with polly gear in early T10. Sure it's among the worst T10 class at 225 but it looks like you're underestimating the power of your own class while overestimating the power of other classes (as per usual in this kind of topic).

[spice sparrow]

try Gilga and you would know 200k ward can not compete with other class with a single weapon. And, known more the limitation about Gilga.

[hard falcon]

I tried it. And it's great. Not the fastest but safe and good.

[autumn scaffold]

yeah, just don't try to go spiked shield too soon, go normal melee build in the beginning with guarding strikes 3 or warrior's pavane looks fine (at least with the stuff I tried onc, fyc, polly + vulkan longsword). you won't be able to easy farm morri at level 225 for sure but you're not supposed to.

[spice sparrow]

already

[sweet moon]

Just casually an early gilga with an onc,fyc, nothing fancy, just casually normal gear. Really?🤔🙃

[autumn scaffold]

fyc is T9 (and i've mine since t9) ONC is just a quest so yeah nothing fancy indeed.

[sweet moon]

Ok can you tell odie to give a everyone that same gear just reaching t9, t10.
So is not going to be a problem for not be a fair game but instead is "you" problem.

[autumn scaffold]

sure mate, no need to farm your gear, just ask odie to give it to you

[sweet moon]

Farm? really? How many kills you have before getting that ofc, or how many dungeons you run after you finished the quest, then tell me about it to farm something.

[autumn scaffold]

both fyc and onc I used are 100%

[sweet moon]

Because clearly you have no idea what are you saying.

What

You talking about only a regular drop to
make gilga better, that's it man, have a good day.

[autumn scaffold]

no one is talking about making gilga better overall. we were talking about early gilga being worse than other classes while not being unusable.

if talking about later gilga, then gilga is strong enough

but you can keep whining about your class, no one is stoping you

[unique lichen]

Have you ever tried gilga before like you said underestimating the class
What are you gonna use if not ss guarding strikes pavave, sure they will work untill raids start to scale since gilga has low dex and on top of that you have to manage ward to keep your DMG and survivability while maintaining ward that's why you need atleast some ward recovery

[urban dock]

for the most part, the low dex aint really an issue since SS1/2/3 ignore dex calculation and instead have a fixed accuracy rate

[sweet moon]

Yes, however early gilgas can't use that.

[urban dock]

true, early gilga can be a struggle

[unique lichen]

That's the point early gilgas don't have ward to make ss work and when I started ss used to miss a lot too it's little better now

[urban dock]

ehh.. i think the part on ss missing alot is before the balance patch months ago

now? it has a fixed 95% hit rate ignoring dex