Buff Blaster for comp viability

[zinc spire]

Look, I know it sounds bad but hear me out.
What if blaster remained exactly as it is now, with the only difference being that the damage it does can't be healed? Sort of like how you cant heal when you're in challenge mode, but only applying for the blaster. I feel like this would make it way more viable for comp and it'd give blaster its own role without damaging the current meta

[umbral inlet]

That is so dumb

[zinc spire]

why

in addition to this you could add a secondary that heals, maybe sort of functions like the zap gun

[hexed pike]

Would be too op, instantly changes the meta

I wonder if giving it infinite walljump would help it at all

[zinc spire]

makes it a worse uzi pretty much, i think the consistency of the blaster is really interesting, maybe with a reduced damage to 20 at all ranges

[hexed pike]

is it not already a worse uzi then?

since it only has 3 walljumps lol

[zinc spire]

no, i meant with permanent damage, 20 per hit

[hexed pike]

that would still be busted

if you take damage you can no longer hold site

permanent damage is a terrible idea for ranked on any gun

[zinc spire]

ttk in comp is pretty low in my experience though that may just be my low tier lobbies

[zinc spire]

but is site holding really that based on sponging ammo anyway? 90 percent of the time when you get hit for one on site youre pretty much dead and get traded

i feel like positioning and playing off your teammates is way more important for site holding

and besides its not like im saying it should have no counter whatsoever, you could even make the tazer or whatever its called heal teammates

[umbral inlet]

lol could you imagine going blaster and pushing old every time it would be so op if they never regen'd 🤦‍♂️

overall a bad suggestion

[zinc spire]

again just ideas

[hexed pike]

if you are 50 hp you will lose to a full hp opponent, assuming reasonably equal skill

it's just not possible to hold site consistently if you can't regen

[hexed pike]

this would be a cool idea but I think krunker is too fast paced to allow for meaningful healing weapons

[zinc spire]

but thatd be the main strength of the blaster, everything else would be shit you might even remove the walljumps, itd literally be only something to chip away at site defense

[zinc spire]

yeah, the closest thatd be actually viable is maybe something like medic from tf2 but then i dont know if the engine would even support that kind of thing

[hexed pike]

I think it could be implemented but it wouldn't get played much

either too weak or too op

[umbral inlet]

theres zero point with healers lol dont complicate something that isnt asking to be complicated

[hexed pike]

krunker's just too fast paced to allow for healers

[zinc spire]

were just bouncing ideas, and its not pointless to the meta its actually useful for holding down site

[umbral inlet]

do you even know the meta?

[zinc spire]

ooh maybe a healer class could throw something down like the goo gun

[umbral inlet]

its not "holding down site" 😂

[zinc spire]

a tdmer is talking listen and learn

oh almighty xwater what perchance might be the meta then?

[umbral inlet]

tdming is the meta i didnt make it its just what works the best

[zinc spire]

thats why im saying itd be cool to mix things up by buffing site holds with a healer class, and buffing blaster as a counter to it

[umbral inlet]

there is no "mix things up" youd have to redo the spawn system

[zinc spire]

a secondary wouldnt be the best idea since itd be pretty busted if multiple teammates used it

[zinc spire]

why would you need to do that

[umbral inlet]

ok you obviously dont know what youre talking about

[hexed pike]

to be fair the meta among top players/comp players is different from 95% of the rest of the playerbase

[umbral inlet]

thats irrelevant if we're talking about comp buffs

[hexed pike]

yes but from the perspective of frvr they need to make ranked appealing for low ranks too

comp players don't pay the bills sadly

[umbral inlet]

ig

[hexed pike]

it's pretty hard to find something that makes both groups happy

silvers are not flying around site to avoid peeker's advantage, they can barely aim as is

imo the priority is quite literally just add a tutorial for ranked

[zinc spire]

maybe one day, krunker world major

[zinc spire]

yes this

[umbral inlet]

i just dislike these people overcomplicating things that definitely should not be complicated

theres no point

adding more elements to a system thats already cooked for bad players

[umbral inlet]

this wouldnt fix anything these people do not care

they try to play well but what do they do if theyre too bad to compete

[hexed pike]

i think of it in terms of the value you get for the effort you put in

[zinc spire]

im not disagreeing with this im just suggesting ways to fix it. none of my suggestions add new systems, they just make site holding more viable

[hexed pike]

a tutorial is pretty low effort in terms of development costs

[umbral inlet]

you think a healing mechanic isnt an addition to thet system?

[hexed pike]

but there's a lot of bronzes and silvers who genuinely do not know how ranked works

[zinc spire]

its already in the game just make it manual, make it a role. im not saying to make every class do permanent damage

[hexed pike]

won't instantly make ranked amazing but i think it's a relatively easy thing to address

any class having perma damage will instantly kill the ranked meta tho

[zinc spire]

the biggest fix for comp would be an actual good voicechat in game

[hexed pike]

i mean my teammates barely read chat as is

idt they'd vc

half the time it'd just be screaming and slurs

[umbral inlet]

ranked is just hvh or if youre a good player you will rank up fast as hell

took me like 70 matches to hit 3900 elo

playing against cheaters every day

adding another weird mechanic would be soo fucked for ranked

[hexed pike]

does davidsom still cheat btw

[umbral inlet]

let alone for tourneys and pugs

[umbral inlet]

probably

most of that group are cheaters

[hexed pike]

i was in a few games with him but i'm not good enough to make that call

felt sus tho

[zinc spire]

i see

[umbral inlet]

a lot of the sa players on na are cheaters but not all

[hexed pike]

another way to help ranked is punishing throwers

the problem is proving that someone is throwing instead of leaving for a legit reason

[umbral inlet]

look this is my take on it

[zinc spire]

and the budget needed for moderation for that

[hexed pike]

kpd has enough people

[umbral inlet]

it does not matter at all why you're leaving

if u leave ur banned

thats it

[hexed pike]

it's more of an evidence thing

[zinc spire]

like in val, thats sensible

[hexed pike]

there's a lot of debate on what standards should be needed for a ban

but i think afking as a whole is a pretty big issue

[hexed pike]

i think most games punish you for leaving even if you had a legit reason

[umbral inlet]

i lost probably 10/70 matches purely because of people throwing/leaving my games because they recognized me

[hexed pike]

wifi shits out? enjoy your 30 min queueban

[zinc spire]

i mean it depends, if comp for this game is a one-off thing then theres no sense in letting less people play. but if krunker wants to be taken as seriously as the path it was headed in the faceit days id say definitely makes sense

[hexed pike]

imo you should have a grace period to reconnect but if you're gone, you get a queueban

repeated leaves extend the duration of the ban

[umbral inlet]

you get a grace period no?

you can rejoin during the match

[hexed pike]

you do

I'm just clarifying it shouldn't be one dc = insta ban

[umbral inlet]

o

[zinc spire]

maybe a penalty if you do it repeatedly or over multiple concurrent games

[hexed pike]

meanwhile for me it's losing winnable games bc our 4th went 0-7 and left the lobby, but we would win if they just stacked point

[umbral inlet]

idk im not gonna sit here and say im the best in the game but i play ranked sometimes and a lot of my friends play ranked all day and the amount of afkers is literally insane

like you can get the same guy afking your game multiple times

[hexed pike]

i can confirm this for the lower ranks

[umbral inlet]

a week or so ago this guy su5pro literally afkd 3 games in a row

😂

[dry lagoon]

All classes should be added to comp

[hexed pike]

yea this guy is horrible

silver and gold lobbies have insane afkers too

[umbral inlet]

bro i was damn near 4000 elo rank 1 and i had silvers in my games throwing

[hexed pike]

can't wait for the level 12 to pick shotgun and go 2-38

[umbral inlet]

shotgun in ranked would be kinda tuff icl esp since nobody can play rev

[dry lagoon]

Yep still they should add em all and throwing knives aswell

Imagine a crossmap in a tourney

[umbral inlet]

change it to ffa too

[hexed pike]

honestly throwing knives would keep a lot of newer players playing ranked

[umbral inlet]

throwing knife would be so awful in ranked can u imagine everybody just running in with throwing knife out 🤦‍♂️

[dry lagoon]

We need all classes so they can stop taking the fucking ak smg and not throw the game

[dry lagoon]

Just dodge ?

Press a or d

💀

[umbral inlet]

ur telling me to dodge bro? 😭

[hexed pike]

there was a suggestion about double classing but that feels awful to balance

[umbral inlet]

why are you even in a comp suggestion devil

what input could u have

[dry lagoon]

Bcoz I play everything ?

Except raids and Parkour coz that's shit

[umbral inlet]

fairs 😂

[hexed pike]

double lmg would be interesting

[umbral inlet]

double lmg would be god awful

[hexed pike]

hear me out

4v4 but it's 2 lmgs and 2 charge rifles on each team

[dry lagoon]

Yes shouting at npc teammates forcing em to go double lmg would take half the match tho

[zinc spire]

double uzi would be hilarious imagine two of those fuckers zipping around the map

[dry lagoon]

Nightmare for rev players

And snipers

[hexed pike]

i think double classing would be insane work to balance

but it would definitely make ranked more interesting and variable

[dry lagoon]

Prolly like -25% stats nerf if 2 of the same classes are picked

[hexed pike]

something like that yea

[zinc spire]

thatd completely throw off any sense of the game people have though

think about it now you have to learn basically a completely different class

[hexed pike]

but imagine you have a god ak player on your team and the useless 4th picks ak, nerfing their damage

[zinc spire]

that too

[umbral inlet]

simple solution to this is to add elo priority

[dry lagoon]

Inbuilt balancing

😃

[hexed pike]

something something sbmm

[hexed pike]

idt this has been suggested actually

elo priority for weapon selection would be nice

[umbral inlet]

i really dont know why elo prio isnt implemented yet i feel like thats a pretty basic concept that nack and kpc have had for years

[dry lagoon]

But u have NPCs like qb sitting on master

[hexed pike]

imo this is skill issue

[umbral inlet]

should i make a suggestion for it cause that would be nice

[hexed pike]

you should be able to play more than 2 classes

[umbral inlet]

😂 😂

[hexed pike]

yes

[umbral inlet]

fax

[hexed pike]

if you only know how to play 1-2 classes that's on you, not the game balancing 😭

[zinc spire]

im only really good at hunter and commando, and i havent actually been good at commando for years lmao

[dry lagoon]

Bcoz u legit cannot win most games if you start in 2nd week of the season

[zinc spire]

well i guess rev too but everyones decent at rev

[dry lagoon]

Unless u can play 5 diff classes to carry on any thing u get

[hexed pike]

not me

[umbral inlet]

thats not true

[dry lagoon]

Ud get out picked by silvers 💀

[umbral inlet]

u can easily get to 2k+ elo by simply getting carried u dont need a good gun to win lol

[dry lagoon]

Ig

[umbral inlet]

my friend plays blaster every game and hes gold i think

[dry lagoon]

Blaster is fucking broken

If yk how to use it

[umbral inlet]

fax

[hexed pike]

which of the usual guns in ranked aren't broken if you know how to use it

[umbral inlet]

can we just nuke this suggestion already what even is this conversation 😭

[dry lagoon]

It's 10x worse playing against a good blaster than a good sniper

😭

[hexed pike]

fair

sniper can't walljump and has a few hard counters

[umbral inlet]

uzi probably

but ig this is me being a famas and semi guy so its easy to outgun uzi

[dry lagoon]

smg needs a buff icl

[hexed pike]

what would you change

[dry lagoon]

Damage prolly

[umbral inlet]

it does like 10 damage

[dry lagoon]

Wait I'm dumb

I said nerf

I meant buff

[umbral inlet]

😂 😂

all good

[dry lagoon]

It feels like a fucking water gun

[umbral inlet]

smg is really so bad for bad players but its very good and viable for good players

which is an issue

[zinc spire]

he made a statement so trash even his gang hated on him

[dry lagoon]

🤔

[zinc spire]

smg is perfect where it is in the meta rn

[hexed pike]

in pubs or ranked?

[zinc spire]

pubs

[hexed pike]

honestly I haven't seen many smgs in pubs lately

[zinc spire]

exactly how it should be

[dry lagoon]

💀

[thick wasp]

for realzies
adding aoe/healing elements is already complicating shit for the silvers that kessa said was frvr's main moneymaker and they cant figure out where the obj is

[bleak turret]

What game is bro playing, this is krunker..

Y'all should first start by making me have better ping

I am tired of tping to random places and straight up freezing every five seconds

How the hell am I supposed to kill people like this. It's true that I can pretty much see the future around corners since my body stays back and not my camera, and I just get tped back to where my body froze. But like damn I can't kill anyone up close, they tping everywhere. Id that what you call rubberbending? Idk how to spell that, neither sure if that's what it is. It's extremely annoying though.

[thick wasp]

thats your wifi mate not anything frvr can do

get a better internet connection with higher a bandwith

[bleak turret]

Buy me a better router

[civic apex]

me too

[patent socket]

why breaking me

[wise bone]

WWW

this change didnt go through (duh) but blaster still got buffed

[hexed pike]

Prolly gonna get nerfed in 9.1

But fun change, let's see where it goes

[wise bone]

lol

idt it needed that much but it defo needed smth