Major Hardpoint Changes Suggestion - Discussed with Glen

[steep seal]

Setup for team based objective:

1 Player on Site: 10 points each
2 Players on Site: 10 points each
**3 players on site: 15 points each **
4 players on site: 20 points each

2v2 (Old) Gain: 20
2v2 (New) Gain: 20
3v3 (Old) Gain: 30
3v3 (New) Gain: 45
4v4 (Old) Gain: 40
4v4 (New) Gain: 80

The logic is that when you are on site you gain more for playing site (whether it be double and increased)

So in 2v2: 10 points as solo compared to 20 if you have 2 on site (no change or logic adjustment, it is **2x **gain compared to 1 on site)

In 3v3: 20 points as duo compared to 45 points as 3 on site(change in logic, previously used to be **1.5x **gain with 2 on site and **3x **gain with 1 on site but now with 15 each it’s **2.25x **gain and **4.5x **gain respectively)

In 4v4: 45 points as trio compared to 80 points as 4 on site(change in logic, previously used to be 1.33x(when it was 30 points) gain with 3 on site, 2x gain with 2 on site, **4x **gain with 1 on site, but now with 20 each it's **1.77x **gain from 3 on site(bc it is 45 points) and **4x **gain with 2 on site and **8x **gain with 1 on site)

Overall this makes the game more hardpoint centered and focused, this won't ultimately kill tdming but it will make it more controlled and when broadcasters commentate or watch tournaments, it won't be looking like people run around. Macro effects will also be helping with spawn traps and prioritizing site over longer rotations because of the incremental gains. On setups and holds still, you can still gain from playing 3 on site but teams that master the art of** anchoring on sites and using movement** in the sites itself to hold will be rewarded since they get the highest gain.

**Check pins for TLDRs **

If you disagree with the values itself being too extreme, put that down below. If you disagree with the fact that this isn't an issue also put that down!

[timber onyx]

👏

[vale steppe]

@unkempt cypress can you explain why you dont like it

[steep seal]

The idea is just to get games to be more closely connected to hardpoint, it doesn't matter what the values are

These are just some values i thought of

[unkempt cypress]

some people really dont do much else than tdm soo i wouldnt like to lose 3000-200

[steep seal]

but players like femto and agario3 will be more impactful

[unkempt cypress]

rip when i have pvlse, lage and some asia tier 1 on my team

[steep seal]

ya but those are hypotheticals

im just saying in general if ur a lower tier ranked player u get to provide way more value

[ashen nest]

That's assuming they actually want to improve

I feel like people are just going to tdm as usual and lose games more often

[steep seal]

well at least they are impactful if they stack

[unkempt cypress]

im not completely against it but these higher tier individuals who dont stack already pmo

and like gaining 15

would hurt to lose with 5 points

[steep seal]

if they don't stack they just get 10 points if it is 2 on site

[valid glacier]

it would make the game stale and force the whole team to stack when you gain basically 2x the obj for sitting 4 on site instead of 3

tdming or flanking wouldnt be worth it at all

[steep seal]

not necessarily

it's similar to the impact of tdming in 2v2s and 3v3s

where it is less influential

[cold moat]

noobs shouldnt have more impact because they are playing an easier playstyle

[steep seal]

because they are stacking on site?

[cold moat]

ur impact should be solely proportionnal to your skill level

[steep seal]

would u prefer them to run flanks with u?

or push offs

[cold moat]

yes when all they can do is sitting on site they shouldnt be rewarded for being able to do nothing else

[steep seal]

doesn't this help though if u have lower tier teammates

that they can still contribute

if u stack with them

[valid glacier]

no bc tdming in 2v2s and 3v3s is easier due to less enemies being able to kill you

[cold moat]

if i have bad teammates its not the games fault

[steep seal]

yeah but if u win a hold on 2v2 with 2 on site it basically fully turns the tide

[valid glacier]

so you can kill the whole team easier allowing ur team to make up for the stack that you missed out on + more

[steep seal]

never said that

[cold moat]

the game shouldnt compensate for a players lack of skill

we should have proper matchmaking that puts these players in low ranks so they need to improve to get out

[valid glacier]

the only way i see this idea working is if you would get 15 for 3 on site and 15 from 4 on site aswell

[steep seal]

i mean that's not what we are fully discussing but ya i see ur point

[cold moat]

u shouldnt be able to get ur ass carried to master if u cant shoot

[valid glacier]

so the difference isnt as big

[cold moat]

just because u "contribute" by afking on site

[steep seal]

u estimate how big it is because most pushouts to even hold the sites are 2-3 off

like if u 4 on site in big 2025 it's super hard to hold

but if u do

it's really impactful

[cold moat]

what would be the incentive to psuh out

[echo glade]

can we first remove elo gains and loses based on obj its soo bad

[valid glacier]

yea but ur only thinking of pushouts

[steep seal]

to hold the site post-spawn

[echo glade]

😭

[valid glacier]

flanking is also a thing

[steep seal]

even off angles and rats

[valid glacier]

and that would be completely useless

cause you would miss like 5 seconds of stacking

[cold moat]

so if u dont hold it but stacked enough with 4 to make up for it

[valid glacier]

and ur team would also stack less bc of it

[steep seal]

yeah but isn't that the goal of hardpoint

if u take a crossmap flank

[tough rune]

this change will be making 90% of the game irrelevant

[steep seal]

it has to be super influential

[tough rune]

take for example sandstorm gate

how much more influential will that site be?

[cold moat]

this just makes the gameplay stale asf with only 1 strategy

[valid glacier]

the goal of hardpoint should be to defend the point any way possible to get the most amount of obj total

[tough rune]

on first site you can almost never get 4 on site by design

[valid glacier]

not to have 4 ppl sit on site stacking all game

[tough rune]

but on gate its very easily held with 4 on site

[steep seal]

they won't be stacking 4 on site though consistently

[valid glacier]

@ornate egret

[steep seal]

i mean yeah the values could be addressed

that's the goal of the thread

like the last nack tourney

i was on 2nd site watching

[tough rune]

i mean its a cool idea but the values are too agressive

[cold moat]

?

[steep seal]

and nobody was on the site

like u are defending the hardpoint

[unkempt cypress]

before thinking of actually adding this into the game lets maybe try it out and see how it plays out maybe ill end up being a fan of it

[cold moat]

why are we discussing of the values BEFORE asserting its a good change

[steep seal]

for 10 points a tick?

[unkempt cypress]

but it is frvrs game so they can decide what to do

even if they add it ill still be grinding here

until 2027

[steep seal]

yeah worth testing

[steep seal]

asserting to make the game more hardpoint focused?

[cold moat]

how is it not hardpoint focused

the whole game is about defending ur hardpoint

tdming is hardpoint focused

[unkempt cypress]

you dont understand agarios prefires

[cold moat]

what is not hardpoint focused in todays competitive game tell me

literally everything revolves around it

[unkempt cypress]

nah guys lets just move away from hardpoint lets start playing defuse

[valid glacier]

it already is, in the kcs tourney pvlses team lost alot of games due to their excessive tdm playstyle even though they had way more total kills than us

[tough rune]

100%

[steep seal]

yes but they still won at the end of the day when u guys played more focused on the sites

[tough rune]

youre losing 35 obj per tick

for just tdming

if you dont get a lot of value its VERY harshly punished

[steep seal]

ya i think 2x now thinking abt it is a bit harsh

[cold moat]

yeah they won by 1 round when its on their servers

[steep seal]

the original idea was 10x - till u reach 4 which is 15

[cold moat]

bro

asokra

why are u saying theyre not focused on sites

u havent been answering my question

WHAT is not hardpoint oriented

in their gameplay

u genuinely cant name me a single thing

[tough rune]

i do believe around tournaments the game is played properly and this is a nonissue
not sure about ranked

[steep seal]

they are playing for spawns more than actually playing near sites and such

[cold moat]

do u think hardponit oriented gameplay is solely sitting on the site ?

[cold moat]

to achieve WHAT

[steep seal]

yeah to get the 2 guys on site just afk while 2 guys running around spawn trapping

i mean its not bad

[cold moat]

dismantle pushes to the HARDPOINT before they get the chance

[steep seal]

i think tournaments are fine

[cold moat]

delaying them to push the HARDPOINT

[steep seal]

this would be more for generally in pugs and ranked

[cold moat]

i dont see ur point man

[steep seal]

yes tdming still benefits

[cold moat]

ltierally everyting is hardponit oriented

[steep seal]

it's not like it doesnt take away

this change jus tmakes it more focused near the hardpoint with less roams

i think we agree on the same thing

i think we just disagree with the approach

[cold moat]

so limiting the possibilities of gameplay ?

maknig the game stale

exactly what im saying

no we dont agree on the same thing

u just want to force a specific playstyle

[steep seal]

not possibilities, just incentivies playing near sites more which is useless atm

[cold moat]

its not useless

as u win with stacking more

ure gonna be deadass saying people arent peeking connector or holding hut on ug

or fountain

or mid

tdm spots are very centered around the point

[steep seal]

in ur scrims against weed, do u think u guys think the way to win is to run around more like them?

[steep seal]

yes and u get incentivized to stack more

[valid glacier]

you have teams that have 3 tdming on 1st point ug and they are up by 100 after holding for a whole minute, that we can comeback from in 3 seconds of 4 stacking

[steep seal]

i agree on the values being over tuned

[cold moat]

u already get incentivized to stack more as u get more obj per player on the point

[valid glacier]

stacking is still impactful

[steep seal]

true it just makes it more impactful

[cold moat]

against NA teams we win every time by holding a site for the quarter they held it

[cold moat]

why ? its already impactful enough

its proportional

so of course its already valued correctly

having "exponential" values just breaks balance

and forces a singular playstyle

which is not what u want in a competitive game, u want a varied meta

[vale steppe]

its not exponential

its a fixed amount

[cold moat]

bro

"

quotation marks

"exponential"as in increasing more than proportional

[steep seal]

it goes up 80 tick by tick

not 80 then 90 then 100

but i see what ur trying to say

[cold moat]

?

i got that bro im not stupid

its more than proportional to the number of players

so its not good

[unkempt cypress]

be more open minded we've been playing the same way since like the start

[opaque thicket]

^

[valid glacier]

if ur whole team stacks a site for 60 seconds you can get max 1600 obj rn correct? If you have 1 person tdming instead for those 60 seconds that would be 1200 obj, basically for your tdm to be worth it it has to gain ur 3 teammates on site like 12 seconds of extra stacking

[cold moat]

what ?

we havent

wtf

ure telling me scte free wifi and pvlse team have the same playstyle

[unkempt cypress]

no i meant the obj gain

[cold moat]

yea so what

csgo has been planting and defusing a bomb for 20 years bro

[quartz cosmos]

[steep seal]

that 1 tdmer would just have to be so much more impactful

which is what it is

but tweaking the values where it might too overtuned

[cold moat]

it already needs to be impactful

[valid glacier]

they alr need to be impactful though for it to be worth it

[cold moat]

if u dont kill 2 already ure trolling

and thats 2 when ure in a 1v4

its balanced

[tough rune]

nobody is that impactful i cant lie

[valid glacier]

12 seconds of stacking if he was on site is basically 400 obj

[tough rune]

high risk low reward

[steep seal]

but u guys also have to take into account the time looking for the roamer

[cold moat]

for it to be worth it with ur system u would need to kill 3 every tdm (and rather quickly)

[steep seal]

if u ignore, they will always get 2 because u are getting shot in the back

[valid glacier]

this across 4 sites is 1600

[valid glacier]

yea worrying ab a tdmer should be a part of the game

[cold moat]

as i said it would just make this playstyle inefficient asf and unreliable

[valid glacier]

otherwise its insanely stale

spawn

go to site

[cold moat]

its like in csgo

u have lurkers

[valid glacier]

stack 4 on site

lose site

repeat

[steep seal]

i see the point now and the concern

i can sort of see this

[echo glade]

that just gives npcs more power

💀

[cold moat]

god yes i love seeing doingpurposes master

i really think hes of master skill

really mastered the jorking it on site with lmg playstyle

[echo glade]

and qb on 3.7k elo by bot fragging every single game

[steep seal]

do u think the way the game is currently played is healthy? With the roams and aggressive flanks

@cold moat @valid glacier

[cold moat]

ye

[steep seal]

i will say one thing as a caveat, ur team and free wifi

[valid glacier]

free wifi wins on eu and they dont tdm

[steep seal]

is the most structured team atm

[sonic finch]

i think the game is fine how it is

[valid glacier]

the only team that aggresively tdms and wins is pvlses team

and thats like the only team on na thats placing aswell

[cold moat]

u underestimate pvlses team structure

they plan a lot of their plays

[sonic finch]

our team structure is well

yea thanks guep

[tough rune]

you only get around with running away like youre headless if you have better mechanics anyways

[cold moat]

not like weed for example

[steep seal]

im saying compared to u guys

[tough rune]

i dont believe its a reliable strategy

[sonic finch]

uh

everything is planned bro

we’re not braindead like weed

[cold moat]

we have similar team structure but different playstyles i would say

[steep seal]

an european team shouldnt take an na team to 5 rounds

[sonic finch]

no hate

[valid glacier]

@steep seal maks wants you to be able to set /home on site and that whenever ur off site you lose 5 hp every 1.5 seconds

[cold moat]

thats cuz we're better bro

skill issue

[sonic finch]

we had 3 eu basically 😭

[steep seal]

im not saying they arent structured but i see more mistakes in the na teams

[cold moat]

fed renowned eu player

[sonic finch]

fed has more ping than our eu guy

[cold moat]

pvlse abusing ping on semi

taking every peek

[sonic finch]

that tourney was 7/8 eu

in grands

was fair

[cold moat]

6

[sonic finch]

yea

same as half the euros

[tough rune]

good one

same as ceaf and maks

thats about it

[echo glade]

is this for comp preset or ranked ?

[sonic finch]

obv we stilll had a advantage cause i’m na

[steep seal]

would b all hp

[sonic finch]

it shouldn’t of been that close

we played terribly

[steep seal]

do u think the game feels staler with a new meta that benefits playing near sites and running less flanks

im assuming yes for all @cold moat @sonic finch @valid glacier

[valid glacier]

yes

[echo glade]

nahh game is alrdy helping the npcs and ruining the experience for everyone else we dont need more of that in ranked

😭

[sonic finch]

i just think the meta rn is better than the one you’re suggesting

[tough rune]

can we get a meta that doesnt have semi

and sniper

[sonic finch]

NF

[steep seal]

i feel like this meta benefits more structured teams more than anything

[sonic finch]

^^

[steep seal]

like these suggested changes

[tough rune]

well sniper only in ranked but ausp gives me trauma

[steep seal]

but adjusted values

[sonic finch]

u need to still be structured to tdm

u just don’t get it

i understand the type of krunker u want

[tough rune]

i dont like how if you go for an early tdm in their spawn you often end up spawning on the point

[sonic finch]

but that was there 6 years ago

[tough rune]

id say thats the only thing i find fucked

0 risk

[sonic finch]

i agree

[steep seal]

you think these changes would disincentivize that?

[steep seal]

not necessarily

im just trying to when i watch a broadcast

[tough rune]

they would disincentivize going off the point entirely

yes

[steep seal]

not see 4 people in temple on 2nd site

allowing 0 obj on site for 20 seconds

unless this is a grand strategy like that happens in really advanced quake games

idk

it's just kind of lame

lol

[sonic finch]

well everyone nowadays is always trying to get a good timing with a flank with tdms

[steep seal]

player pov i bet it does get really strategic and fun

but viewer pov and even a casual pov

it's a bit much

[sonic finch]

i get that yeah

[steep seal]

when i talked to glen i said the top players would disagree immediately

[sonic finch]

it’s hard to watch

[steep seal]

this change would only be something more preferred by casuals

but that's the reason y i also need ur guys feedback

[sonic finch]

it depends how u want ur game focused

if u want the game focused towards casuals then go for it

if u want it towards the competitive best of the best

then i would say keep it how it is with the tweak slav said

[steep seal]

at this point of this vid

there was not a single player on site (only aizuru pushing up ramp)

and u had 3 people in temple

[sonic finch]

yea well it’s also weed

[steep seal]

what's the tweak slav said

[sonic finch]

i don’t think he will change his playstyle

[steep seal]

well also weed was in temple

[sonic finch]

with ur suggestion

[steep seal]

but u guys were running a triple flank

when u guys actually had the site

not that u guys were contesting for it

movement just affects other departments like parkour and stuff

but yeah i do agree movement nerf would the big one

[sonic finch]

yeah

[steep seal]

too much is aids

[sonic finch]

.

idk how u would fix this

but if there was a way

unsuccessful tdm shouldn’t have y spawning on point

[steep seal]

https://youtu.be/BIiFnDzXvBo?si=YTRwTkUPxg-M0u7C&t=68 like if u watch from this, u guys i guess do the correct play but it's just like on me and tjs pov

nobody is on site

[sonic finch]

0 risk

[steep seal]

i was just thinking of this suggestion bc of stuff like this

the incentive of going to site in this scenario is very low

which i get

2nd site u dont get much points

[tough rune]

yeah thats one of them

but it can basically happen anywhere

with a spawn you didnt delay or something else

[steep seal]

i dont even think that one can be fixed even with these values lol

cuz u get shot in the back rotating to site

[sonic finch]

yea that is inevitable

[steep seal]

u're forced to play for long flank or 3rd site spawntrap

[sonic finch]

unfortunately

[steep seal]

that would be reformating how spawns work

[sonic finch]

yea

[tough rune]

yeah 2nd site spawn is fucked

you get it very often cause its hard to get a line of sight on it

but if you dont have it like that its gonna be really easy to spawntrap

[steep seal]

yeah

sometimes people accidentally get it when u win the site too

out of the 7 that downvoted @echo glade @sour nebula , what are ur thoughts on adjusted values or is it all scrap the idea?

[hollow goblet]

faster spawns 👀

[echo glade]

ranked is alrdy a shit show coz of things like this and this will just make that worse

[steep seal]

be as biased as possible

because ur skill and the context u play krunker

is very important

i want pvlse and guep to consider tournament experience

and then u to consider ranked

[steep seal]

the difference would be ur 2 bottom frags in the first ss

would have way more obj

but yeah that is true also for the latter

[steep seal]

@valid glacier @cold moat @unkempt cypress

im not gonna argue i just want to know

[unkempt cypress]

elaborate im too stupid

[echo glade]

yea and they will forever be stuck on ( -10 minimum elo loss ) coz of obj basically where they are right now and the change will just solidify their poisition even more

[unkempt cypress]

what adjusted values

[steep seal]

so like if u have 4 on site u get 80 obj witht he current suggestion

[echo glade]

basically if 4 people are stacking u get 2x more obj for each person
simple terms - qb dropping 2k-3k obj every game

[steep seal]

if it was more like 60

or scrap all together and keep game as it is

[unkempt cypress]

i need to get to try

im open minded i wouldnt mind a change

[echo glade]

it can be viable if they remove the whole obj based elo gains / loses

[unkempt cypress]

but rn im like yes 30-70 no

[steep seal]

that's true

[quaint viper]

Amazing change

Genuinely

[steep seal]

alright

[steep seal]

then react accordingly

[echo glade]

until then its just making an existing issue even worse

[steep seal]

i like to see where casuals are on the spectrum and top players

[quaint viper]

Oh there's a react

Ok

[sonic finch]

@gray bridge

[tough rune]

i also do think that tdming alone is substantially harder than tdming with a teammate

[steep seal]

btw these were what i expected

[steep seal]

true

[tough rune]

so i dont see the reason to punish so harshly when 1 person is off

[steep seal]

so the risks is greater and ur allowing 20 tick vs 80 tick

[echo glade]

how u banned from comp servers but not here 😭

[steep seal]

would change the meta compeltely

[valid glacier]

i think the only way it would work and it would need alot of testing and feedback before getting added would be if you got the same for having 3 on site as 4 but you get more from having 3/4 on site than 1/2

[quaint viper]

Shh

[steep seal]

that's fair

[steep seal]

do u agree with the underlying problem tho or disagree?

[unkempt cypress]

need to test it with tourney teams and teams with some tier 2 players

[valid glacier]

that tdming is a problem? not necessarily

[quaint viper]

100%

[valid glacier]

especially not in tourney settings

in ranked perhaps

[steep seal]

im asking when u play krunker most of the time

[quaint viper]

I'm available 😊👋

[steep seal]

these changes arent for just tournament settings

it's just in general

actually now im asking u to be a bit less biased but yeah

just in general when u open the game

from ur hp pubs to tournies

[valid glacier]

its not something that im bothered by in ranked

[echo glade]

yea but ranked is usually soo unfair that u are basically forced to tdm and stop pushes

so the team can handle it

[quaint viper]

Nah that's true

[echo glade]

tdming in ranked isnt a choice

its a necessity

[steep seal]

is it though?

[echo glade]

either u do it successfully and win or u lose

[gray bridge]

yes

[quaint viper]

But generally if you're at a stable rank and you're good enough

[steep seal]

the top ranked lb players are stackers

[quaint viper]

Then you can manage

[steep seal]

in NA at least

outside of pvlse

[quaint viper]

This

[gray bridge]

cause u can go quad neg but if u stack u gain elo

clearly the elo system rewards u for stacking

[steep seal]

well it's based on the play-time

[echo glade]

yea

[gray bridge]

not necessarily it being the reason why u win

[quaint viper]

Generally most games aren't like that, but the games that are are in a minority

[steep seal]

doingpurpose gets like 1 elo a win now

[valid glacier]

yea stacking is already rewarded in ranked

[steep seal]

kills are also rewarded

[echo glade]

no its 10

[gray bridge]

not as much

[steep seal]

they're just rewarded equally and one is easier than the other

[gray bridge]

uhh

[unkempt cypress]

if losing 10 is the min the gaining is 10

[sonic finch]

not really

obj is heavilly favoured over kills

[steep seal]

it's the same

it's from the thread i made

[sonic finch]

i would love to see the stat

[echo glade]

obj is the only thing thats favoured
u can go 1-30 in ranked with 1k obj and only lose 10 elo

[sonic finch]

i know

[dense kettle]

as seen with QB

[gray bridge]

can rounds not end early anymore

[echo glade]

which is bullshit

[sonic finch]

i drop 200 obj 11k and lose 20, but then i drop 600 obj 6k score and lose like nothing

[sonic finch]

^

[gray bridge]

@steep seal was this ever presented

[echo glade]

or u frag 2-3-4 and lose 40 elo and meanwhile ur bot fragger loses 10 elo

💀

[sonic finch]

also remove the 13k limit cause ive lost like 5 games cause of it

i just cant get obj

[echo glade]

suffering from success

😭

[steep seal]

that would be a big one

i talked to glen abt it

[valid glacier]

why would you want this though, its only an ego boost so ppl can get higher scores

[steep seal]

and he said it's similar in these lines

like half the topics like this are just controversial

[sour nebula]

I think the game would become too simple(I may be wrong) ,it'd be just stack as much as possible , I think it'd be better if the multi was lowered, as for ranked tho I think its good for the players who are bad and they can do more impact instead of giving up

[gray bridge]

its fun

[valid glacier]

new players that get put in lobbies where they cant kill ppl would have to suffer through the whole rounds even if games are done by 3rd site

[valid glacier]

for you

[steep seal]

so realistically based on how i see this thread going, most likely no changes will be added

[valid glacier]

but not for bad players

[steep seal]

it's easier to keep the game same

[gray bridge]

verify this guy

[echo glade]

thats basically clan wars in nutshell 💀

farming npcs in ranked

[steep seal]

true the overall idea is to making ur playing experience better

do u feel like this would make it worse?

for tourney players, if u are a roamer or in a structure this will definitely make it worse

[sour nebula]

Nope not for me

[steep seal]

since ur changing a lot of stuff

[steep seal]

alright

[sour nebula]

I do play pickups from time to time more than ranked

[gray bridge]

@steep seal with this change lets add forced 1ads

[echo glade]

aww hell nah

0 is chill

[steep seal]

bro asking for the impossible

[gray bridge]

0 😭

[dense kettle]

1ads diabolical

[echo glade]

0.1 was ass

[sonic finch]

?

[steep seal]

there's so many things i would do if i could just have like a dictator say but i get people would hate krunker

[gray bridge]

game is too fast these days

[valid glacier]

would 1 ads even change that much? i played ak on 1ads in full nack t1 lobbies and topfragged by a good margin like a year ago

[steep seal]

1 ads , old slide hopping, no round based system

[echo glade]

yea but thats you

💀

[gray bridge]

yes

do it

[valid glacier]

and i reckon if the others werent going circles around me it would be even easier

[ruby ember]

uhh ok 1ads is a bit too much with how the movement is now

[steep seal]

i think @cold moat would kill me

[ruby ember]

i reckon 0.5-0.4 is a good balance

[gray bridge]

yes

0.5 is good

[steep seal]

ye 0 ads -> 1 is a big jump

[echo glade]

[ruby ember]

1 ads with today's movement, good luck not puking LOL

[echo glade]

thats basically telling people to stop playing the game and fuck off 😭

.5 should be in the default settings

instead of 1

😃

[ruby ember]

❓

[echo glade]

.5 is bad

😭

[gray bridge]

only bad when people were gave an option to change it

otherwise no one complained before

[sonic finch]

i feel like u shouldnt be able to adjust ur ads like how most games are

[ruby ember]

^

[sonic finch]

it should be a set ads for everyone

whether its 1 ads or 0

everyone should play on it

[ruby ember]

u said .5 should be in the settings, but u said .5 is bad

❓

[gray bridge]

.5 meet in the middle

[sonic finch]

LOOOL

[gray bridge]

🤝

[sonic finch]

0.6 or 0.7?

[ruby ember]

ok pvlse

[sonic finch]

thank you ik

[steep seal]

that might be a timeout

[sonic finch]

im so smart

[gray bridge]

bend over

[sonic finch]

LOL

[gray bridge]

@pvlse

[sonic finch]

????

[ruby ember]

spread it

[sonic finch]

??

?

[gray bridge]

damn nizz is freaky

[sonic finch]

me me me me

[gray bridge]

wjaa

[valid glacier]

@steep seal if you wanted to find another change you could also expirement with the idea of having 4 on site would make it tick every second instead of 1.5 seconds

[hard wadi]

Change is good for tourneys but bad for ranked imo, i think it forces teams to lock in on points that have otherwise been seen as “tdm hotspots” like first on sandstorm, but i also think it would exponentially suck on stack heavy maps where if a team can build such an insane lead with this points change that they can just use the insane stack and play a flood heavy game after a massive lead

[ruby ember]

anyway freaky aside, 0.5-0.4 is a good fixed ads fov

🥰

[hard wadi]

Maybe it’s flawed but yeah i don’t mind it for tourneys

[gray bridge]

good comms

[sturdy token]

if im looking only towards good quality pugs, scrims and tourneys it makes sense
itll make smaller interactions matter more and it might be more enjoyable to play and cast
but thats just one side, ranked will be a mess with the bots u get on ur team that can barely slidehop
id like to see it in good games

[hard wadi]

[steep seal]

oh yeah

[echo glade]

yea coz default settings are bad and .5 is better than 1 for new players
they can go lower or higher if they want

[steep seal]

that could be simpler

[ruby ember]

yea thats what i was vouching for?

[steep seal]

but that sort of has the same effect in a way

[gray bridge]

too much green on my screen

[modest scaffold]

I can see the vision Asokra is going for, but 2x multiplier with all 4 people on site Is going to basically eliminate the viability of TDMing

[echo glade]

OHH

[valid glacier]

but it wouldnt be as marginal

[sonic finch]

i agree if u get like a 500+ lead then u can start to abuse tdms where both teams dont stack

and just auto win

[steep seal]

that means in 3 seconds, 120 vs 80

[gray bridge]

i think thats the point

tdming is kinda damaging

[ruby ember]

cuh

[teal ruin]

good for tournament level games, bad for ranked in general was also what i was thinking

[steep seal]

so u disagree more with the values

[echo glade]

i thought forcing .5 to everyone 😭

[modest scaffold]

Ye

[hard wadi]

This sounds more plausible tbh but that might be hard coded into the game since you can get on a point with .1 seconds left until the “tick” and get the +10 or get on the point .1 after a tick and wait 1.4 seconds to get that +10

[valid glacier]

yea

[steep seal]

alright

[sonic finch]

we get that u dont touch grass

[gray bridge]

uhhh

was talking about kb roles?

[steep seal]

that's way smarter

here ill make some tweaks to the suggestion

[valid glacier]

the idea is trade marked though and can be bought by verifying me

[sonic finch]

ban lage

[ruby ember]

i see, i think thats where we part. I vouched 0.5 fixed, no tweaking.

[steep seal]

low key

that was insane

the idea

cuz faster tick im also assuming is 50x easier

[echo glade]

dont they have to just change few values regardless of tick or obj points

💀

[whole shuttle]

if one person goes afk its just over no? matchmaking isnt the best right now but being able to tdm in a 3v4 situation rewards the team w the afk player rather then outright making it impossible, and there are many situations like that it literally happend to me 30 mins ago where me and freyah were able to win a 3v4

[hard wadi]

So i have an idea

[tough rune]

make me develkoper the change is getting implemented in 5 minutes

[hard wadi]

Why not just make it where the objective ticks for 1 second when 4 people are on

Instead of 1.5

Im a genius.

[valid glacier]

its basically alr over if someone goes afk though

[echo glade]

too late

[tough rune]

nice idea

[gray bridge]

if someone goes afk then its over

just go next

lol

[valid glacier]

you need to drop like 100 to have a chance of winning

[hard wadi]

Thanks man

[echo glade]

lage just said it 30 seconds ago

💀

[whole shuttle]

nah i legit won witha brick it was a 2v4

[gray bridge]

nice idea

[whole shuttle]

its somewhat possible

[gray bridge]

its not meant to be possible though

[hard wadi]

You have the critical thinking skills of a walnut

[gray bridge]

if mm works properly

[whole shuttle]

yeah fair enough

[echo glade]

idm any changes as long as they stay in comp preset and not in ranked

ranked is alrdy fucked up

[sour nebula]

high on potenuse

[sonic finch]

^

[wary panther]

comp preset is ranked no?

[sonic finch]

nah me and tjwysk really know whats up

[echo glade]

no they have diff presets and stuff

comp preset = tourneys and pickups and shit

[wary panther]

hey bro

[tough rune]

its the same og

[gray bridge]

@frvr can we get some marketing

[wary panther]

i know waht comp preset is

[tough rune]

besides the classes

[sonic finch]

nff

[echo glade]

and the cosmetics

😃

[steep seal]

LOL

[wary panther]

but im pretty sure whatever changes they make to comp preset will be reflected to ranked

[echo glade]

but ranked is alrdy fucked

[steep seal]

yoo lets get u double verifications

[wary panther]

Not rlly

[ruby ember]

wait @steep seal i forgot to ask

[tough rune]

hey guys lets remove the MONTHLY RANK RESET

[wary panther]

only thing thats bad is the mm and tbh thats honestly not that bad anymore

[ruby ember]

is the movement speed for pubs, comp preset and ranked the same

[sonic finch]

!!

[steep seal]

it's 1 vs 0.97

[tough rune]

maybe ranked will be fixed when people dont get set to bronze

[echo glade]

u havent faced him yet either in ur team or opponents then

[steep seal]

1 0.97 0.97

[wary panther]

yea im not asia tbf

[gray bridge]

i dont get how this can happen but im hard stuck plat

[ruby ember]

gg make it the same 🗣️

[wary panther]

but NA ranked isnt bad

[gray bridge]

am i just ass

[sonic finch]

also u should have hidden mmr

when ranked resets

[ruby ember]

bingo

[tough rune]

ye stick to rocket league

[wary panther]

bro u dont understand these guys legit queue up and lose -1 and gain +100

[echo glade]

he goes 1-16 with 900 obj and loses 10 elo when u 2nd frag and lose 30-40 elo

[steep seal]

maybe theyll change it soon

[wary panther]

Ik

[steep seal]

but it messes up parkour community

[gray bridge]

ye idk

[wary panther]

i dont understand how its possible

[whole shuttle]

hes not the only one either there are many boosted players just like this rewarded for stacking while getting carried

[echo glade]

its obj ONLY

💀

[tough rune]

its not performance boost anymore

[steep seal]

the performance boost is equal for obj and kills

[tough rune]

im pretty sure he could go 0 kills 0 obj

[steep seal]

it's the games played

[tough rune]

and still lose 2

[echo glade]

ranked is basically luck based to not get bots on ur team and then obj based

theres nothing else to it

[steep seal]

it's just what 2 players will rank up most

[echo glade]

😭

[wary panther]

obj?

aizuru had higher obj than femto

femto gained +11

[steep seal]

yes

it was never abt the performance boost

[wary panther]

Yea im talking to devil

[steep seal]

ye

[wary panther]

cause he thinks its all obj

[gray bridge]

pvlse is saying that people should be rewarded more for kills

[tough rune]

performance boost should only be given to the top players in the lobby aswell

[gray bridge]

because it doesnt take skill to stack

so ass players are ranking up

[echo glade]

i have a suspision this was targetted towards agario 💀

[wary panther]

the only constant is the matches played

[tough rune]

not everyone that gets 50 obj

[steep seal]

what abt players that stack and get kills

[tough rune]

although i dont know how that works but that seems to be the common conseus

[wary panther]

theres nothing else its just matches played

[echo glade]

bro did spend alot of money

🤔

[gray bridge]

what about qb_ 64

[steep seal]

wdym

[wary panther]

there is no performance boost

[echo glade]

hes the femto of asia

[steep seal]

the performance boost isnt actually that crazy

[gray bridge]

guy who literally went quad neg and lost a game, and gained elo

[glacial dirge]

he hacked the system and gets performance boost for bottom scoring

[wary panther]

its not a performance boost then its just a boost for playing matches

because he did not perform in any stat

[gray bridge]

genuinely

[wary panther]

wdym boost for obj he didnt even have highest obj?

[gray bridge]

ranked is the least skillful ranked system in any compet game

[unkempt cypress]

but hes only that high because of so many games

[steep seal]

that wasnt based on the perfomrnace boost

thats just based on games

[unkempt cypress]

good players will still get more with lesser gamaes

[gray bridge]

WWWW

even better

[steep seal]

this is a game where the player doesnt hit the obj but the kills

this is him when he does

but also higher elo players

[echo glade]

💀

it is

[gray bridge]

i see one game where hes beating significantly higher ranks

[steep seal]

...

[wary panther]

-10

[echo glade]

hes #4 btw

[steep seal]

u just proved my point

[wary panther]

is insane

[echo glade]

on lb

[wary panther]

LOL

[steep seal]

are u

[echo glade]

he shouldve lost 50 obj

[steep seal]

are u trolling me devil?

[echo glade]

bare minimum

[wary panther]

1-16 with 100 obj lowkey evil

[gray bridge]

?

[steep seal]

i just said

it's based on the games

like he played so many games

u just lose no elo

[gray bridge]

who made TS

[echo glade]

hes going 1-16 while being on #4 on lb that is -50 obj easily bare minimum

[gray bridge]

time to hop on val and spam games

eventually i'll hit radiant #1

🤞

[unkempt cypress]

why did this chat about hardpoint changes turn into qb hate train

[steep seal]

this is ward's career

[steep seal]

bro 😭

[whole shuttle]

so anyone can get master just by no lifeing i dont think thats a good thing tho

[steep seal]

i should moderate the thread better tbh

we'll go back on topic later

[unkempt cypress]

get to work mr moderator

[steep seal]

wait mozz will bring us back to topic

[echo glade]

its more about obj than no of games played
coz OBJ makes him get 10-20 elo and obj is what saves him from losing more than 10 elo

[tough rune]

theres a clear problem with the matchmaker and it's that it gets too certain about a player's skill rating after playing a large number of games

[wary panther]

i dont understand how a statistically top 10 player in the region can get pissed on by people 2k elo lower than him and lose -10, then requeue, get carried, and gain +20

[tough rune]

and thats the core that needs to be adressed

[gray bridge]

@sturdy token how has your day been

[sturdy token]

hi.

good

[gray bridge]

thats good man

[glacial dirge]

if playing the objective doesn't take skill, I think it's a problem with the format

[gray bridge]

uhh

?

[echo glade]

yesterday matchmaker put weeti arnaas and qb on same teams back to back
all 3 #1 #2 and #4 on the leaderboard

💀

[tough rune]

im not too versed into the algorithm but yeah, ideally it shouldnt decay down that low

[echo glade]

makes no fucking sense

[sturdy token]

i get u want more play around the point but if its implemented it has to be in both ranked and comp host i dont think itll work in the long term. i get the running around in the first 60s of sand but in tourneys players already play more passive and dont just run around and win, i think its still not a bad idea to try some games on it tho

[modest scaffold]

It does take skill, though. The best players in every region seem utterly incapable of doing it

[gray bridge]

haha...

[wary panther]

why is tenorsine here

[tough rune]

i assume qb has dogshit mmr honestly

i dont think the algorithm believes hes good

even if his rating is high

although im throwing shots in the dark

[sturdy token]

theres probably a better way to make the game a bit more point play oriantated but idk if this is the play

[wary panther]

if that was true then he should be losing way more than he gains and should be dropping elo hard

[echo glade]

its still fucked when for example 1 , 2 , 4 are on same team vs 6 8 10

💀

[gray bridge]

matchmaking maybe sees he's losing, so it has less confidence in him winning future games

so he gets put on good teams

but hes incapable of losing elo when he loses games

so hes never gonna rank down

[valid glacier]

from what glen told me its jsut the game thats so confident that he deserves to be the elo he is so hes basically stuck there for the rest of the season

[tough rune]

bro cant post links

[gray bridge]

slow down the game with like 0.5 ads

[tough rune]

i HATE krunker bunker

[gray bridge]

so matchmaking thinks hes good

[modest scaffold]

uzi will become meta

[echo glade]

explain in fornite terms

[valid glacier]

well he has above 50% wr

[echo glade]

1 - obj then 2 - no of games played

if u stack endlessly and play 30 games a day u ill never lose more elo than what u gain

[gray bridge]

so its like endless cycle of what i said

he loses a game

[wary panther]

its definitely skewed more towards games played than obj or kills

[gray bridge]

mm has less confidence so he gets put on a good team

he wins

he gains +50 and loses -5

[steep seal]

when u guys say obj or kills

[gray bridge]

but ig overall hes gonna win more gamesi dk

[steep seal]

u are ragebaiting

it is primarily skewed toward games

[gray bridge]

u never said why

[steep seal]

i dont know why

[glacial dirge]

that's insane why

[gray bridge]

ONG

[steep seal]

that's just what it is

[gray bridge]

OMGGG

[echo glade]

if u play 300 games and not stack u will be bronze 😭

[wary panther]

I dont even think its skewed towards kills or obj at all bro guys are going 1-20 losing -10 with 200 matches

[steep seal]

femto dp, qb

[wary panther]

thats just not true

[steep seal]

all have 300-400+ games

[echo glade]

if u play 300 games and only stack u will be master

[unkempt cypress]

who is dp

[steep seal]

doingpurposes

[unkempt cypress]

the reversed qb

[dense hinge]

lmao

[echo glade]

american qb

[gray bridge]

road to radiant #1 by spamming games 🔥 (im diamond in val)

[dense hinge]

theres a dp now?

😭 💔

[steep seal]

this is how u hit radiant tho

[echo glade]

doingpurposes

[steep seal]

only diff with radiant and imm3 is games

[gray bridge]

pretty sure u have to be good as well though

and i dont think people are gaining mmr for losing games

[steep seal]

u can get radiant by 5 stacking and abusing winrates

[valid glacier]

aslong as you have positive wr you can hit master if you play alot

[steep seal]

qb and dp are getting pvlse and aux in their games hard carrying

[whole shuttle]

nah but imagine seeing a master on ur team u get so excited just to see qb or dp

[glacial dirge]

"if you win more than you lose you will rank up"

[valid glacier]

if you have below 50% though glen told me no matter how many games you play its impossible to get master

[steep seal]

@gray bridge yk snuff in the 10 mans dc right

[steep seal]

he went from asc 1/2 to imm2/3 with just 5 stacks

it's winrates + games

[gray bridge]

yea but we arent 5stacking in krunker

[valid glacier]

yes but not alot of games have it at 50%

[steep seal]

i wish i knew

[valid glacier]

some games you need like 75% wr to get to the higher ranks

[steep seal]

glen told me he is actively tweaking it

in valorant it is 52% winrate over 200-300 games

in radiant

most pros have 65% so they do it very fast

[wary panther]

i dont see how this is possible tho cause people like doingpurposes are gaining +20 and losing -10 (raw), so even with a negative winrate you would still statistically rankup no?

[echo glade]

u just nolife stacking and play 200 games or be good

[valid glacier]

idk thats what i was told at least

[coral summit]

that is an absurd amount of conversation to read over 😭

[steep seal]

welcome to the thread

[coral summit]

asokra consider editing the main message with takeaways from the convo so no one has to recap everything

[steep seal]

yep

good thought

[tough rune]

bro what are the thread rules even anymore

you can upload files but you cant post links

[echo glade]

wtv it is external emotes should be allowed

[unkempt cypress]

the discussion just switched from hardpoint changes to elo gain and loss system

[wary panther]

lowkey forgot this thread was even made for those changes

[steep seal]

so i have basic nitro and cant go past word limit

ill pin the tldr here

[dense hinge]

make a server for this i think

[tough rune]

rebranding the thread

[coral summit]

💔

[echo glade]

what 😭

[civic hedge]

For real

[dense hinge]

joking

i wish i was a pro rank player i could engage here but uaaa nvm

[echo glade]

hopefully coz theres alrdy 20 diff dead servers and half of em are partnered 😭

[civic hedge]

Yeah lets make a server for competitive Krunker, we could call it North American Competitive Krunker or NACK for short

[wary panther]

i am not a pro rank player and i am engaging here

[civic hedge]

Is this a good idea guys

[green lance]

Why can't you guys use your pea brain to think and speak rather then yapping

[unkempt cypress]

feedback from not good comp players is still valuable

[steep seal]

TLDR so far: Top level tournament players don't see the problem I'm suggesting as an issue and is more in favor of testing the idea / tweaking it. Lage has suggested 15 per 3 tick and 15 per 4 tick also(not 20). Lage suggested speeding the tick up with 4 players on point (1.5 seconds -> 1 second). Guep brought up arguments such as the current meta is perfectly fine and roaming is just part of Krunker, scrap the idea fully. Other players have mentioned how this might make hard games basically unwinnable and winning/losing games has a widened gap now with this. In general sentiment has been to test / scrap the idea. Still a good couple think the original idea is good but everybody wants to test more than anything.

[tough rune]

this is great man shoutout to you

we appreciate the input

[wary panther]

thanks slav

love your client bro ❤️

[tough rune]

spread kindness and positivityh

[unkempt cypress]

i hate it

oh

sorry

[wary panther]

lets go gutys

[tough rune]

same

[echo glade]

mine keeps freezing for 1 sec every time i click smth in the ui 😭

[unkempt cypress]

mine has a bug where i just freeze in the middle of a tourney in undergrowth

[dense hinge]

you need to go to settings and enable the pro mode

[tough rune]

yeah webview is just like that I cant do anything

[echo glade]

😂

[unkempt cypress]

aaand now the discussion is turning into glorp

[echo glade]

i have that bug too

omg

@dense hinge

[dense hinge]

really??

[echo glade]

yes

😭

[dense hinge]

😭 💔

[whole shuttle]

tbf if you are good enough you could carry qb hes not completely useless

[unkempt cypress]

ss where qb in my game

[echo glade]

not when theres 4 good players against you also qb's elo is soo high u only get 2 good players 1 npc and 1 qb

[whole shuttle]

baaright

[echo glade]

💀

[unkempt cypress]

eterno was GOOD (#ad)

[echo glade]

can confirm

+vouch

[dense hinge]

i loved eterno in ranked

[whole shuttle]

and eitherways tho krunker will just turn into an aimtrainer like it isnt already one if this change happens 😭

[wary panther]

so we are ragebaiting

[dense hinge]

no im fr

i enjoyed it

[echo glade]

it was fun

like fr

[dense hinge]

maybe because im just abad player

hell yeah

[echo glade]

we the people of kruster want it back

[civic hedge]

We?

[unkempt cypress]

We(eti)

[dense hinge]

weeewoo

mannnnnnnn bring some convo again

[dense kettle]

noone wants eterno back

[unkempt cypress]

#general

[dense kettle]

let the shit map be forgotten forever

[whole shuttle]

yk what we do want chateu

[dense kettle]

fr

add this

[coral summit]

ok just based off this I want to give some food for thought

1. how will this work in 4v4 modes where a team loses a player?
2. how hard will it be to mentally calculate how many people need to stack for how long on point 4 for a win?
3. would the sentiment surrounding spawning on cap (especially on like 4th point UG) change? Spawning on point not only gives a defense advantage but now an immediate point advantage

[civic hedge]

They're reworking it apparently

So ig we'll see how that turns out

[echo glade]

just make paths wider and itll be perfectly fine

[sturdy token]

nobody really does 2

u just look at the obj and u kinda know

[whole shuttle]

nah third point is hella valid but the first point is just an auto loss nothing u can do about it other then a change where the afk persons elo gets deducted and divied among the 3

[wary panther]

i think only no. 1 is the only real issue here bc 2 is basically nonexistent and 3 shouldnt be changed cause you strat a lot to spawn on anyway and you should still be rewarded for that

[tough rune]

you could obviously have it so that the team without a player gets the obj bonus permanently

[main hinge]

.

[tough rune]

like not the points but you have it as if hes on point

so 3 people stacking would give 20 each

if were following the original idea

[sturdy token]

yah

[coral summit]

imo 1st point is most valid for in-game comp, hosted games via nack/community this shouldnt be a problem
2 is just something to consider, I think it would add some thought to "do I need to stack right now or just lurk to let my 3 teammates hold"
3 is a bit ambiguous, would need to hear more opinions but it would definitely make certain points that are easy to spawn on more valuable vs the others

[main hinge]

Besides the suggestion , anything new to the hardpoint as a mode i will consider it myself , There is no harm implementing new things 🙃 , Tbh it isn’t even bad but the for underdogs or unbalanced teams its gonna be even harder to win clutches as the other team up would stack up initially and there would he less time left for them to get all the points like even if not all people are able to stack up at the end of the round its almost kind of impossible to clutch back and idk then how the round will end like , If there are 3 people on site and a minute is left so how will that going to match with the timer of the round to get over , that is something which needs to be figured out too , But overall its worth implementing it 😁

[coral summit]

I definitely think it should be tested, the impact is too ambiguous to just discuss imo

[wary panther]

i feel like if you are gonna raise the amount of points per second they should revert the rounds system back to the entire 12 mins

[whole shuttle]

games could end at the begging of 3rd site no or am i wrong

[main hinge]

well yes this part i was doubtful about

[wary panther]

you can already do this

[whole shuttle]

i mean that already makes this worse

[wary panther]

true

[main hinge]

because how the timer is gonna match with the round being over or the team wont be able to get the required points before the round is gonna get over , need a whole bunch of calculation to be done for this

[tough rune]

it is really not that difficult

subtraction isnt advanced

[main hinge]

nevermind 😓

[tough rune]

🥰

[valid glacier]

it would just go until you cant catch up even if all 4 stack for the rest of the game

[dense hinge]

you mean like a game rn to test this suggestion?

with extra points etc

[main hinge]

im just overthinking abt the backend nvm

its simple subtraction

its more over abt underdogs like what wicz said

[tough rune]

but we might need a more realistic audience

for this type of change

[dense kettle]

speakin of ranked when are we gonna remove boulder 0_0

[modest rune]

😂

[steep seal]

1. it would be terrible i agree
2. have not thought abt it
3. im not sure what ur asking but yes it would be like ur statement it would be an immediate advantage

[echo glade]

@steep seal 🙏

[steep seal]

glen can help with that

[steep seal]

idk why its there

ill talk to glen next week

[valid glacier]

can we remove auto spawn in ranked

[unkempt cypress]

Add slimers to ranked aswell meaning the killstreak ofc

While were at it

[echo glade]

we dont want a flying weeti 😭

[steep seal]

auto spawn has existed for a minute

like its also in comp preset i believe

[valid glacier]

i know

but i want it disabled in comp in general

[echo glade]

#1437155024248766474 how ab this

[coral summit]

3. is just a probing question surrounding spawning on site, and how the point gain change would impact spawning on site (ex: should spawning on site be changed?)

[dense kettle]

yea please do

[steep seal]

ill talk abt it next week

[echo glade]

why tho its fine 💀

[steep seal]

it could force people to spawn on 2nd site more since people are going to scale faster into temple

[dense kettle]

nah

[steep seal]

but i think nothing would change regarding spawn logic

[valid glacier]

to make delaying spawns easier for new players and so my teammate who takes 5 seconds to move after hes spawned doesnt ruin spawns

[steep seal]

oh yeah lage when u spawn pillar, do yk why most teams go through mid instead of going through temple

[coral summit]

I mean if frvr should specifically make a change for it

[steep seal]

back in the day we did all our rotations in temple

u get exposed to less angles and clear more rats

[valid glacier]

going to 2nd or 4th site?

[steep seal]

for 4th site

like lets say u get full reset

in all ur guys vods i see u guys going through mid

i feel like temple is faster

back then it was at least

[valid glacier]

probably cause pushing from left side is easier to just fly in

[steep seal]

idk yet

spawn logic is so hard

[steep seal]

true but u can still wrap back around is what i mean

[valid glacier]

ik

[steep seal]

ig it takes more time if u do want to push the other side

[pliant belfry]

This will mess up the glorp counter for how many on site @steep seal

Did u ever think that through

[tough rune]

good insight araf

how will this alter the economy

[steep seal]

Ok...

[steep seal]

ALTER

[pliant belfry]

Yoo 😂 😂

[pliant belfry]

Thanks 👍

[coarse lance]

would be cool to see it in playtests

[coarse lance]

although whatever team holds C on sand basically wins the game

[mossy nova]

Too simple yes

[mossy nova]

If all the point gains depend on being on site, what happens to the tactical variety that makes the game fun? Will clever rotations, flanks, and outplays even matter anymore?

The tactical depth that adds enjoyment to the game is undermined if all point gains are restricted to being on site. Since players don't get paid for moving or setting up moves, clever outplays, flanks, and rotations would be far less important. As a result, the game becomes less exciting and more static, rewarding brute site presence over talent, map awareness, and strategic inventiveness.

Its gonna be like chess

[steep seal]

fair points

[static venture]

yeah i don’t think the point system needs change

[pine kindle]

What about maps which has longer rotation time, example shipment.
We already know that it's already an defender sided map, so with this change it wont be a 50-50 game for any match.

[pine kindle]

Should just bring back .3 ads minimum like before

[pine kindle]

Doesn't matter when the other team has GoatGopal, I took away like 400-500 elo from weeti. I actually felt bad for him. @unkempt cypress