weapon nerfs and buffs

[mossy moss]

why?

[nova bay]

You're not the only one lol

[mossy moss]

ill send the messages individualy then, so people can react to each one ig

pistol - balanced

akimbo pistol - increase the mag to at least 20 and make it fire in 2 round bursts

deagle - increase headshot damage multiplier to 1.5x

sawed off - give it a second shot, a double barrel not having 2 shots is stupid

noob tube - increase the blast damage, but dont change anything else pls its a fun weapon the way it is

auto pistol - increase the headshot damage to at least 1.25x

zapper - make it so you dont lose your charge when you fire it

techy9 - balanced (although i have complaints about the tec-9 being burst, cause IRL its semi auto)

alien blaster - give it at a 6 round mag minimum

assault rifle - increase its mag back to 30 rounds

sniper - balanced, but i wish it had a 5 round mag instead of 3

SMG - balanced (no more magsize changes pls)

LMG - balanced, but i wish it had a 100 round mag

shotgun - make it able to get longshots if you kill someone who is on the outer area of the shotguns range

revolver - make it deal 100 damage on a headshot when you are at the distance the shotgun would 1-shot someone from

semi-auto - balanced, but a 10 round mag would be nice

rocket launcher - decrease its mag to 1, then increase its blast damage to the damage the explosion does when you run out of time in Kranked

uzis - balanced, but uzi players are annoying

crossbow - balanced, but imo a crossbow having chargeup time is stupid

famas - either nerf the damage or increase delay between bursts. also the famas IRL has a 25 round mag

blaster - give it some damage drop from long distances

charge rifle - why tf does this exsist? balanced

ok done

[nova bay]

Most of your suggestions are good, but I do have some concerns:

• imo it's better to nerf compressor instead of buffing sawed off
• Alien blaster is already one of the most overpowered secondaries in existence. If anything, the mag size should be nerfed instead of buffed
• Sniper is stupidly broken for the low amount of skill it requires to get kills. If you need more bullets with that gun, you probably need better aim, no offense
• shotgun could do with longshots, but even though it's actually an underpowered class, most of the community will rage about it being buffed in any way whatsoever, so probably take that one off the list
• Rev DOES NOT need buffing holy fuck
• old RPG was great, but with the current gun meta, more onetaps is the last thing we need. Keep it where it is currently
• crossbow is broken as fuck, it's basically long-range reloadable throwing knife. It needs a melee range damage nerf

• For FAMAS, a damage nerf would work, but would make the gun unfun to play. Increasing the time between bursts is a better idea
• Blaster needs buffing if anything, there's no reason for damage drop
• If charge rifle had 20 more HP and a slightly lower reload time, it would be balanced. Trust me as the guy who has 172 class levels in this gun

I already made individual suggestions for FAMAS and charge rifle if you wanna upvote those

[mossy moss]

i said buff the sawed off so it works as a weapon
i said increase sniper magsize because, its a sniper in a video game, snipers in video games are supposed to have 5 round mags
and the rocket launcher (which isnt an RPG btw, thats not what its model is) needs at least a little bit of a blast damage buff imo

[nova bay]

Oh yeah, the blast damage buff I agree with, but making it only 1 round isn't the hottest idea in your list

The purpose of sawed off was never to be a legit weapon. It was designed for inpulse boosting, but the problem is that it's overshadowed by compressor, which was never intended for pubs to begin with but FRVR added it anyways

[mossy moss]

ik it wasnt, but still, its a double barrel

[nova bay]

As for sniper, I get that other games have 5 rounds, but Krunker is not like most other FPS games with its movement and 10-tick servers.

[mossy moss]

ye ik, its just me being particular lmao

[nova bay]

Even though it's more realistic, from a game balance perspective, that's like giving everyone a reuseable slimer for a secondary

That movement would be utterly toxic to play against

on every class with a secondary

Before we lose sight of it, to be clear, I like the majority of your suggestions, it's just the few that I have issue with

[mossy moss]

also, off topic idea
tabletop krunker? lmao

im a TTRPG developer, so, just a random idea XD

[nova bay]

If FRVR ever branches into board games for some reason, that would be fire

[mossy moss]

ive already got a notebook with some ideas in it
yo FRVR if you want to try it, DM me

[mossy moss]

but also, ty for the opinions

[pastel holly]

calling sniper and cbow balanced is crazy

[rotund turret]

Mmm I love balance forums, cant wait to see some level headed balanced takes with reasons listed for each change.

[rotund turret]

Is that the only change you have for the zapper, will this be the change that brings the zapper community to light

[mossy moss]

its not that theyre balanced, its that i cant think of anything that would be a good change

[rotund turret]

Are you sure, what about the auto variant?

[rotund turret]

Wtf 😭

[rotund turret]

Why?
Ak buff and smg being balanced in the same suggestion forum is very interesting..

[rotund turret]

Ok based, this would break the game and be completely unbalanced but whatever, rev supremacy

Will make actual feedback later or in a bit

[mossy moss]

i meant like, 100 damage from point blank, not from across the map

[mossy moss]

either way, its not burst

[rotund turret]

I can read, it would still be broken though. Barrel stuffing + hitboxes.. not to mention shotgun can 1 shot a decent way out. You should get a defined distance rather than one people cant imagine very well / is subjective

[mossy moss]

how about from melee distance

ik its still powerful, but ak guests like to get in my face lmao

[rotund turret]

Nah rev doesnt need it, we dont need rev to also counter ak.

I always imagined rev as the no-bs class, it feels like it was made more as a support / counter weapon than straight dps (even though its still very strong against 100hp)

Rev doesnt need a buff, imo its perfectly fine where it is

[nova bay]

Don't let that happen then

[mossy moss]

better idea

shotty

to the head

or the knife

ive got 6 of the knife challenges done, if that says anything about my knife skills

[nova bay]

I have 8

and am lvl 50 on runner

[mossy moss]

50 killstreak missing?

or the 15000 kills?

[nova bay]

wait mb 7

I thought there were 11 challenges for some reason

[rotund turret]

Pistol - ok
Akimbo pistol - does this balance it or just for fun? I doubt this will have people start using it (gimmick anyways)
Deag - I assume this is to 1 tap snipers, I feel secondaries are fine as they are, remember that rocketeer exists.
Sawed off - Never seen anyone ask for a sawed off buff, I feel 1 shot is fine but not opposed to this. Could be fun? Might provide too much mobility as now it mirrors shotgun.

Noob tube - ok
Auto pistol - no, its already strong & a crutch for bad players. Ap should be worse since its auto, if people want better damage pick up a more difficult weapon
Zapper - sure, needs a rework but I'd have to think about it more.
Techy9 (isnt it tehchy9?) - ok
Ab - its already strong, the whole point of 4 bullets with high firerate is to give semi's power but reward accuracy rather than spam. (Plus its a secondary)

[mossy moss]

akimbo pistol - i want it to be worth using
deagle - no, it just deals too little headshot damage
sawed off - again, i want it to work as a weapon
auto pistol - 1.1x headshot damage is a little low imo
alien - imo 4 rounds feels too low

[rotund turret]

Ak - why?
Sniper - no, should be tuned to require headshots.. then we can talk about increasing ammo, firerate, etc. Its skill floor is high , the only thing holding it back is hp.
Smg - needs either more dps at close range or hp.
Lmg - ok, but 100 would be horrible
Shotgun - sure ig

Rev - already discussed
Semi - its fine as it is, doesnt need to be even more spammy

[nova bay]

could do with 10, but better at 8

[rotund turret]

Deag - does this decrease shots to kill? Atm its 2 headshots for a kill, I think head + body doesnt kill a 100. Allowing 1 hs to decrease ttk is kinda crazy no?
Ap - no
Ab - no

[rotund turret]

You think so? Semi is like the most balanced weapon imo

[mossy moss]

ak - because there was no need for it to have a 2 round mag decrease
LMG - but its an LMG, im supposed to not have to reload the entire match

[nova bay]

doesn't make too much of a difference imo

Just makes it easier to play

[rotund turret]

Versus lmg it has some effects

[mossy moss]

aim?
headshots?
kills the LMG in 4 shots

[rotund turret]

What's your point

[mossy moss]

i said that out loud and it sounded like i was trying to rap lmao

[mossy moss]

idk

[rotund turret]

If you mix no headshots I think it requires all 8, obv a bit unrealistic but the point is that for semi to kill lmg they can only miss like 2 shots max. Its a good skill check

[mossy moss]

ye ig, but 10 rounds would still be nice imo

[rotund turret]

For pubs maybe? Thinking about comp (granted I'm not very involved with comp)

Wouldnt mind seeing a buff even if it makes it slightly op... move some players off ak/smg to a more difficult class

[nova bay]

a better buff for semi would be +25 points per kill

no effect in comp, helps in pubs

[rotund turret]

I feel score shouldnt play a role in balancing unless its a gimmick weapon (zapper, sawed off to an extent)

[remote smelt]

ur insane for this

[rotund turret]

I forgot about the rest
Rl - no, the key feature is the movement you can pull with 3 rockets versus 2 shotgun shots. I'd say remove self damage so you can actually move without chipping / delaying regen
Uzis - sure, I say give some benefit to headshots but not important
Crossbow - needs 90hp, reduced base damage and a headshot multi of like 1.5x or enough to maintain time to kill 100hp. Its so insanely broken
Famas - agreed on increasing burst delay. Forget about realism
Blaster - ???
Charge rifle - true

[remote smelt]

Crossbow - needs 90hp, reduced base damage and a headshot multi of like 1.5x or enough to maintain time to kill 100hp. Its so insanely broken
thank you

[quasi yoke]

HAHA YES LETS DO THIS

HORRIBLE IDEA BUT REV SUPREMACY

[uneven lily]

sorry I just came to the conclusion it is troll after I saw Revolver 100 dmg thingy

[ripe knoll]

Oh my god

These suggestions

Nav

What the damage on the blaster compared to rev

Current version

Alien pistol*

[rotund turret]

ab* is like 55 headshot I think

[ripe knoll]

So 6 shot ab would basically be a semi

[rotund turret]

yea, check bottom of these comments. I think this is what you're getting at

[ripe knoll]

Yeah I’m not reading all of that

[rotund turret]

1 line 🙄

[silk pebble]

Ight so I read through some of your original list of suggestions and that's a no from me dawg

I plan on making a weapon balance post in these forums but it's gonna be something I have to sit down and think about for a bit and that's a lot of effort

Famas needs slight nerf

Sniper is annoying in any game but it's pretty much fine as it is but could maybe be changed slightly

SMG is a bit weird is have to think about that

I think ak is fine

[nova bay]

And it'll invariably get torn down by almost everyone else because everyone will have wildly differing opinions. There's a reason I've only been suggesting singular weapon changes instead of one big post.

[silk pebble]

The pistols are troll and that is it's own issue

Boulder should get removed screw boulder it is a plague

[rotund turret]

^

[nova bay]

YES
THANK YOU
either that or make it a slot 1 killstreak

[rotund turret]

if you plan on making suggestions do 1 gun at a time

[silk pebble]

Semi is strong in the right hands but most people agree it should have 10 bullets

[silk pebble]

Forgor about that

[nova bay]

Except for the comp scene

[silk pebble]

Yeah

Yeah idk

[rotund turret]

semi is so balanced you guys are crazy 😭

[nova bay]

Don't fuck with semi, leave that to the comp nerds

[silk pebble]

But then again I'm yet to think very hard about this stuff, it's just stuff I've thought about over the years

[rotund turret]

tbh not even much balancing needs to be done, it's more of just overhauls for certain weapons

[silk pebble]

But yeah pistols are troll, most weapons are close to being balanced but qol changes and slight changes would be nice

[nova bay]

By overhaul, do you mean balance changes that completely change the play style/feel of the weapon?

[nova bay]

Wdym by troll?

[silk pebble]

They are so unbalanced in every way

Good and bad

People who use ab annoy me

Sawn off is funny

[nova bay]

Are you referring to regular pistols?

[silk pebble]

Techy 9 is weirdly powerful in the right hands and I don't know how I feel about that

Only seen 1 person actually use it qell

Scary

Akimbo is useless

Compressor can actually just go away stupid I hate it go away

[nova bay]

Tehchy-9 has the highest alpha volley of any secondary weapon and can do it 5 times before reloading. There's a reason why like half or more of comp players use it.

I use it

[silk pebble]

Or just make it 1 time use I don't know I don't wanna rhink about it rn

[rotund turret]

ah yes, alpha volley.

[nova bay]

Or make the reload 4 and a half seconds long

One-time use without explicitly making it one-time use

[silk pebble]

Yeah lol

[ornate prairie]

😭

[ornate prairie]

and also no more walljump changes

[ornate prairie]

agreedwith most of these

rev doing 100 on a headshot would be brutal

[sleek orchid]

it's already tough to hit shit from far away - that's more than unneeded

[worldly oriole]

Isn't that just little worse shotgun then?

[worldly oriole]

That seems too op Imo

[midnight carbon]

buff semi auto to 130ms fire rate

at 150ms it gets outgunned by ak and famas more than it should

ak-semi matchup was balanced when ak was 110 firerate and semi was 120. 10ms difference seems way better

[hard thicket]

as a snipe player i really dont htinkk this will help --> snipers as a weapon are way too volitaile to change its best to leave them alone imo

[light beacon]

thanks for the braindamage you clearly dont play the game much or you do but you are bad at the game

(shotgun - make it sniper) what type of balance change is this

[light beacon]

rev already counters 5 classes

☠️

[rotund turret]

The change didnt mention any stat changes, just to change longshot min distance requirement on shotgun.

[light beacon]

basically a mid range sniper

[rotund turret]

Is your definition of sniper only based on the longshot medal

[quasi yoke]

the average krunker player never really goes in depth when it comes to weapon balancing

all they see is sniper and shotgun one shots

[torpid storm]

rpg doesnt need nerf or buff

its fine how it is

rpg mains just want lower reload

but we know its strong asf

[mossy moss]

no i didnt mean extend the range, i meant make it so it can get longshots with its exsisting range

[oblique lynx]

make smg 100hp again

[quaint dragon]

charge rifle is actually somewhat decent if u know how to use it/knowing the map rotation - deranged charge rifle main

[nova bay]

↑ agreed as a lvl 174 charge rifle ↑

[hard thicket]

😭

[mossy moss]

omfg what is wrong with you

[mossy moss]

the blast damage is only 20-25-ish max tho, thats too low

[torpid storm]

0-35

its much more engaging as a 3 ammo weapon considering movement and reload speed
if it were 1 ammo but did much more damage the class would be boring and basically just crossbow

[remote smelt]

if it had 4 rockets and no secondary it would be cooler

[hard thicket]

esp as an impulse weapon

[mossy moss]

also make the knife able to 1-shot the hunter

and make the bowman have 90 HP, that might help balance it a little better

honestly idk why its not 90HP already

[nova bay]

Oi jeez another class that rev hardcounters
If not for that, I would agree

[rotund turret]

Just a general note, 90 hp does more than just rev

• ak 3 headshot at range
• sniper 1 shot body at larger ranges
• famas 1 head 2 body at close range

[nova bay]

AK can kill all 100hp classes with 3 shots. Are you referring to long range specifically?

[rotund turret]

whoops, yes

[mossy moss]

then make the SMG 100 HP again

[quasi yoke]

no

[oblique lynx]

yes

[viscid grotto]

nerf famas

[mossy moss]

@viscid grotto

[jolly goblet]

Increasing bullet velocity of ak and nerfing bullet velocity of famas would help balance them out imo

[oblique lynx]

ok

[mossy moss]

i feel like i need to clarify the thing for the shotgun
i meant dont change its exsisting damage, range, damage drop, or anything like that,
i meant it should be able to get longshot kills (the thing that gives you 25 points) if you kill someone on the outer edge of its range

[oblique lynx]

ok

[mossy moss]

make the infiltrator have 60 Hp

[nova bay]

No, you monster

[mossy moss]

yes

it is too powerful with 90 HP

[nova bay]

What makes you say this?

[hard thicket]

bro how

[mossy moss]

it just feels too powerful

[nova bay]

You haven't played the class enough then

[quasi yoke]

no lmao

[mossy moss]

yes

its another sniper class

[quasi yoke]

It’s literally not though, sniper can do it instantly infiltrator needs to actually build it up

It’s completely fine at 90 hp

It has its drawbacks

[hard thicket]

its not sniper

lmfao whay

[mossy moss]

at least take it away from the guests

[hard thicket]

inma bw fr

if ur dying from the guest infils thats js a skill issue

[mossy moss]

no i mean cause of the people who hack as guests

you cant fucking counter it

[hard thicket]

leave the lobby the issue isnt infil thats hacking

[mossy moss]

the guests should have the AK and the SMG

thats it

[hard thicket]

frvr shouldnt keep in mind hackers when considering balance changes

[autumn vale]

Make infiltrator have 40 hp just to annoy tenor

[hard thicket]

ok so no new players

[hard thicket]

na make it 10 ho

hp

[nova bay]

Semi is worse in the hands of a hacking guest
Charge rifle you can counter by peeking and shooting quickly either while they charge the last bit of the bar or after they miss the beam because you ducked behind a wall at the last second

[mossy moss]

(unrelated) btw, is it alright if i add you @nova bay ?

[nova bay]

No thanks. I don't add a lot of people, no offense

[mossy moss]

alr thats fine

[sleek orchid]

ragebait used to be believable

[quaint dragon]

either bro forgot rev exist or didn't even play the game

[oblique lynx]

make smg 100 hp

[mossy moss]

nerf it back down to 90 its too powerful now

or 95HP

[mossy moss]

i think it would probably be balanced at 95 HP

[autumn vale]

95 hp makes no sense

they buffed it so rev can't one tap it anymore, making it 95 hp wouldnt even be a buff from 90 ngl

[mossy moss]

pair it with a damage drop increase to the rev

[quasi yoke]

your takes are always interesting

[mossy moss]

i try to be interesting

[autumn zodiac]

bring back famas to 30 bullets thats all 😭

[sleek orchid]

if famas having 24 bullets is too low for you there's definitely a problem somewhere on your end

it has a short reload and high damage

[sinful socket]

famas is js a better semi, you js spam click and win

it's not like in other games where you have to time your bursts to hit heads

[oblique lynx]

it's not the class is powerful, it's the player

[autumn zodiac]

because sometimes i kill more than one person

[sleek orchid]

yes

let's do some fourth grader math

24 / 3 = 8 bursts

that is up to 8 people killed!

and sure you might not hit all one bursts but

even if you were to need 8 bursts to do 4 kills

you don't have a bajillion situations where you don't have the time to reload with that

[autumn zodiac]

...

[quaint dragon]

""interesting""

[quaint dragon]

this reminds me of the og famas when it got first release, it was SO bad lmao

[sinful socket]

if anything famas should have a 21rd mag because thats an irl famas mag size iirc

it still wouldnt be a big deal either

[quasi yoke]

Irl and krunker isn’t in the same sentence

[sinful socket]

ik lol

[quasi yoke]

We’re not gonna make weapon changes based on “irl”

[sinful socket]

fair enuff

[nova bay]

IRL sniper has 5 rounds, and IRL shotgun is so overpowered that it's not even funny

[odd yew]

That’s why my family owns 7

[gleaming carbon]

IRL famas has a 25 round mag. Designed so that it would have 8 bursts, with the 9th only having 1 bullet so that the user knows it is out of rounds

[nova bay]

And the burst time is calibrated so that you only need to control the recoil after the third round leaves the barrel, as opposed to while the gun is still firing

[hard thicket]

which is fucking stupid imo

wait is the smg ump-9 or ump40

[remote smelt]

who cares

[ornate prairie]

ump40

best smg skin in the game is neither though

[hard thicket]

😔

[hard thicket]

are u sure

ump40 has an underbarrel grip

thats ump 9

oh wiat no nvm thats js one model

ump 40

um

????

pluh

[ornate prairie]

as far as I understand ump 40 generally uses straight mags while ump 9 uses curved mags

specifically they are chambered in different calibres

ump9 is in 9mm while the ump is in .40 sw

but why does it matter?

[hard thicket]

theres that underbelly there on the arm

[hard thicket]

it doesnt...

🤷‍♂️

[hard thicket]

oooh oke oke

so ump40 prolly then

[ornate prairie]

actually

I think it's the ump 45

looks a lot more accurate

non stretched pic

[ornate prairie]

why is your krunker so stretched

[hard thicket]

pluh

ohhh

[hard thicket]

erm

😔

3440x1440

🤷‍♂️

[hard thicket]

the reason i tthink its ump40 is theres an indent on the arm

[hard thicket]

and u see the same here

[stable cove]

it doesnt matter 😭

[unique compass]

buff hunter's hp

[quasi yoke]

no..

[remote smelt]

exhibit a:

[hard thicket]

the local clown