What percentage of UVB Index should I get?

[small bluff]

I heard something about albino lizards need 2% not 7%, is this true and if so are there any other morphs that require the same thing as this?

[amber path]

Nta that is false, albino leos need the same care as any other leo. Yes they can be very light sensitive but that is why we recommend giving albinos extra clutter and overhead coverage.

There aren't any morphs that require different care, but there are morphs we suggest staying away from as they are known to he problematic.

However your uvb will depend on the mesh of your tank and the distance from basking spot!

[small bluff]

What about murphy patternless geckos?

Are those light sensitive?

And tangerine.

[amber path]

Nta it entirely depends on what other genes they have in them.

[small bluff]

So like.

This would need extra cover?

[amber path]

Nta it could very well yes. Depending how how prominent the tremper is in the leo

However every leo should have proper coverage/clutter.

We just say extra for albinos

[small bluff]

What UVB light do you use?

[amber path]

I use arcadia 7% because that is the kind i needed for my enclosures

[small bluff]

How much are those?

[amber path]

Uvbs will always be expensive. Mine were like 75$ USD.

However that may not be what you use. It will depend on the kind of tank mesh your enclosure has and the distance from basking spot

[small bluff]

36"L x 18"W x 18"H

These would be the parameters.

[amber path]

I mean the mesh of the lid unfortunately not the dimensions

[small bluff]

Ah.

Let me see if I can find out what that is.

[amber path]

and the distance from basking spot. Uvb will be one of the last steps when setting up the enclosure since your have the measure your basking spot as well

to make sure it is appropriately placed beneath the uvb

[small bluff]

I can't find out what the mesh is sadly.

[amber path]

When the time comes to get UVB you can just post a picture of the mesh here and we can help 😂

[small bluff]

Alright.

Honestly I'll probably get my tank in July.

(When my birthday is)

Set it up.

And then on the 26th go to a reptile expo to go purchase a gecko.

And look around.

[amber path]

I will say, be aware of morphs to avoid while there because most breeders there will try to sell any regardless of if they are problematic (generally ethical breeders avoid bad morphs but) ya never know

!badmorph

[jade umbra]

Problematic Morphs

Two morphs, lemon frost and enigma, are entirely unethical to buy due to the effects they have on the leopard gecko's life. Lemon frosts always develop cancerous internal and external tumors, which eventually will lead to a shorted lifespan. Lemon frosts are also known for having strange, inbreeding-like features, such as puffy eyelids and a very short face. Enigmas are known for enigma syndrome (ES), which is a neurological disorder with symptoms such as balance problems, stargazing, and death rolls. In both lemon frosts and enigmas, the issues are linked to the phenotype (the look) of the morph, meaning they can never be bred out.

White and yellow is another morph that has the possibility to come with a neurological issue, called white and yellow syndrome, but this issue can be bred out and has been successfully by many ethical breeders. If interested in a white and yellow, make sure to research the breeder and ask questions to ensure they're breeding healthy animals. Super snows are sometimes known for elongated faces and difficulty with gaining weight and growth, but these factors don't necessarily affect the quality of life. These issues are often caused by too much inbreeding.

[small bluff]

What morphs should I try avoiding?

Ah.

Alright well.

I gotta go take my last exam.

Wish me luck.

[small bluff]

After a quick search it said that the Murphy patternless geckos are light sensitive and that you should use a lighter UVB light and more cover.

[amber path]

Nta that is incorrect. If you are using google or a similar search engine i would advise against relying on those for information as they are made up of all the information available (more then 80% of that info being outdated)

I have Murphy Patternless albino, and she has the same 7% Uvb as my none albino leo.

So does everyone else here, use the appropriate uvb for the enclosure regardless of their leos being albino.

!albinocare

[jade umbra]

https://i.imgur.com/NeHOVQj.png
https://i.imgur.com/sUUpaTD.png
https://imgur.com/a/9sveWoa

[small bluff]

So what heating light do you use?

[amber path]

A iridescent regular basking bulb

that produces a warm glow, as recommended to help simulate a basking spot alongside with their uvb

My albinos lights

She does more basking then my none albino lmfao

[naive mauve]

once you have the lid you can send a photograph of the mesh, or if you know what brand it is, that would help :)

[small bluff]

So just use a Norma basking bulb?

Normal

[small bluff]

I’m probably going to get either a reptizoo or thrive.

[amber path]

Yes, just because their albino doesn't give a proper reason to limit their access to appropriate lighting/heating

[naive mauve]

if i remember correctly those have different uvb needs, so when you know for certain which you will have let us know :)

[amber path]

definitely have different needs. I have thrive

[small bluff]

Where did you get your thrive tank from?

[amber path]

Pet smart unfortunately and i got ripped off for the price = n=

If your looking for good quality tanks that aren't over priced. I personally recommend checking dubia . com

Their tanks are better priced, and they have larger then just thriving minimum if your considering bigger.

I could've gotten their 4x2x2s for what i paid for the thrives

[small bluff]

Do they have mesh lids?

[amber path]

Some do yes but if you get bigger then the 36x18x18

For example a 4x2x2 you can internally mount instead of setting it on the lid

[small bluff]

I don't really want to internally mount

[amber path]

Then yes, their 36x18x18 comes with a heavy duty screen top for ventilation

We always say bigger is better, but we understand not everyone has room for a 4x2x2 or larger

[small bluff]

I don't even have room for a 36x18x18.

I'm going to need to do insane room rennovation.

[amber path]

Thats fair lol

But yes their thriving mins have a screen top so

[small bluff]

And sliding doors?

[amber path]

Yes

all their enclosures have sliding doors

[small bluff]

Do you still need a background?

Since the sides and the back are black?

[amber path]

Nope! You Don't NEED a background even with a glass enclosure lol

it just comes down to personal preference

[small bluff]

I heard they get stressed out if you don't use one.

[amber path]

Nta some can yes, some don't. You don't have to use a background you can go cheap and get black craft paper and tape to the outsides (that's what i do)

But yes i do intend on getting a background but not because of that reason but because they like to climb and i lean more towards a naturalistic setup

[small bluff]

https://dubiaroaches.com/products/18x18x36-50-gallon-leopard-gecko-enclosure

Just putting this here so I don't forget about it.

@naive mauve what should the UVB details on this tank be?

[dark burrow]

I don't have backgrounds fwiw and my geckos are not stressed.

dubia has two different mesh blockages sadly because they've gone through different enclosure builds over the years so it ranges from 35-45% but the one you would want for the dubia specifically would be the arcadia shadedweller 7% (not the lumenize)

[small bluff]

The 12 inch one?

[dark burrow]

yes uvb is not supposed to span across the whole tank

uvb should be paired with the heat lamp on the hotside to mimic a nice bright patch of sun.

[small bluff]

And both of those go off at night, right?

[dark burrow]

yep

[small bluff]

What do you use to control the temp on the heat lamp?

[dark burrow]

the heat lamp needs to be regulated by a thermostat

[small bluff]

A dimmer correct?

[dark burrow]

the shopping list has a few options varying on budget on there

a dimmer is not a thermostat. a dimmer is a switch that dims the heat lamp.

thermostats can having dimming functions however.

BUT we also don't want our heat sources dimming too much. the dimming is and should only be a safety feature if i gets above a set temp. This is why we wanna make sure we get the correct wattage for our individual setup based on external enviromental factors. we reccomend starting out with 75w heat lamps as it's a good middle ground and go from there but the goal is to have the heat lamp running at 100% to provide the proper IR-A output and have minimal dimming.

So for some that could mean they only need a 50w bulb, others the 75w works just fine, and for those in really cold situations, they may need a 100w. it all just depends.

[small bluff]

So what thermostat would you recommend for a good price?

Like 50 dollars or under.

[dark burrow]

there's not many for that price sadly butt i'll link a few that are cheaper than the one i recommend.

https://www.chewy.com/zoo-med-reptitemp-dimming-reptile/dp/2214870
https://a.co/d/04jaJQoT
https://a.co/d/0j4nfc3f (this is an on/off stat. so you would want to pair this one with the fluker's dimmer dome that has a dimmer switch attached to it just so if you need to dim something you can. since it doesn't have the ability to dim itself)
https://www.petsmart.com/reptile/environmental-control-and-lighting/humidity-and-temperature-control/zoo-med-reptitemp-digital-reptile-thermostat-72045.html (this is an on/off stat. so you would want to pair this one with the fluker's dimmer dome that has a dimmer switch attached to it just so if you need to dim something you can. since it doesn't have the ability to dim itself)

[small bluff]

What's the big one?

The one that's like 109

[dark burrow]

wha- all the ones i linked are 50-75 bucks

[small bluff]

I know.

The one that most people recommend.

I've seen it a few times in this server.

[dark burrow]

oh it's the herpstat

it's 150

but it's the top thermostat i recommend for anyone in the states/canada

[small bluff]

What's wrong wit hthis one https://www.amazon.com/Century-Thermostat-Controller-Germination-40-108°F/dp/B01I15S6OM/ref=sr_1_2_sspa?crid=662OTRMZOT0E&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.Z-VJf-pbsc65ywUC8JVdCuXPf8wpZjUh3bTX7kEGKtC6sYAoT52kjaCEYOlJGo9gxvRcjRXIHcO4OvWXWLXSYO2KUtPzzpL_-T1Ih8xqN7C7d3m4ZW_V9VtqphXckUjvixPL7vsgYPhEsnqr7VtYJRd-B70OuX8hAGMJ1Po5jlhdxUjK0PWHBP_LeIgBrcZzcuy-9KnMD2EvQWXHGMjDhcZCt0iEJo1SKHVyy_tI_FM_6CT8j6RFH3ZNZMfCrWB7jKhyf4TnB5iGALOwOIsbLdNyu3cJ5QpsPp450OHXVq4.TGZGw63MRY7tjfLhRA6YATfEq-GslZYycHNOzkzI1YE&dib_tag=se&keywords=Thermostat%2Breptile%2Bfor%2Blamp&qid=1779300916&sprefix=thermostat%2Breptile%2Bfor%2Blamp%2Caps%2C142&sr=8-2-spons&sp_csd=d2lkZ2V0TmFtZT1zcF9hdGY&th=1

Wow.

That's a big link.

[dark burrow]

i linked that one

it's the third link i sent

[small bluff]

Ah.

[dark burrow]

explained what extra you'd need with it

[small bluff]

Does this one work good?

[dark burrow]

a ton of people here have them. they just require having a specific dome as a safety feature and you'll manually have to adjust it and stuff if it ever gets too hot etc

we commonly suggest the combo to people on a budget

[small bluff]

https://spyderrobotics.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=1&products_id=25

This is the one you recommend correct?

[dark burrow]

but even with that you're still lookin at about 500 for a setup

[dark burrow]

yeh

[small bluff]

So looking at 650 with this one?

[dark burrow]

roughly yeh.

this is using everything off the shopping list for example

[small bluff]

69 dollar tongs?

[dark burrow]

no?

the tongs are 10.99 there lol

[small bluff]

Oh.

Oops.

I'm sorry I just finished my exams.

I'm tired.

[dark burrow]

you're good LOL

[small bluff]

So this is accounting for the pet itself as well, correct?

[dark burrow]

nope

that's just the setup

[small bluff]

It says new age pet.

[dark burrow]

that's an enclosure

[small bluff]

Ah.

[dark burrow]

brand name

on average you're looking at about 1000 including animal and vet fund

give or take depending on what you go for gecko wise. but besides ethically bred pet onlies. geckos tend to be around 100-300

vet fund should be a minimum of 300

[small bluff]

What are the hides you used?

[dark burrow]

https://www.pangeareptile.com/collections/reptile-caves-hides/products/reptile-hide-boxes?variant=26907407745124

these guys!

[small bluff]

Wowie.

I actually just realized something

[dark burrow]

i use these in my tanks cus i bury them and hide em under nice decor

[small bluff]

I have a PS5.

I never use.

I can sell that for like.

$300.

Pay for some of it.

And my parents pay for the rest for my birthday.

Never mind.

Higher.

Says they sell upwards of $600.

@dark burrow sorry for the ping but could I put a tank here?

@amber path What do you think? ^^^

[small bluff]

@naive mauve ^^^

[naive mauve]

what specifically do you mean? like, is there room, will whatever it is hold a tank, something else?

[small bluff]

This a room

And there’s room

But I’m worried about the window

[naive mauve]

being in front of a window isn't majorly a problem but you will need to mind temperatures when its particularly hot or cold and light since they do need to have 12 hours dark

it would be best to keep the blinds closed if its Directly in front of it in my experience

[small bluff]

I live in the south

[small bluff]

Blinds are always closed

Are you sure that the little light peeking through won’t affect it?

[naive mauve]

a little natural light wouldnt be a problem especially if the day night cycle considers the sun

[small bluff]

Would I need to lower my UVB?

If some sun was peeking through?

[naive mauve]

you wouldnt need to no

[small bluff]

Alright.

[small bluff]

Would UVB should I use with a dubia tank?

What

[dark burrow]

i mentioned that already

[dark burrow]

right here

[small bluff]

Ah.

Sorry.

[dark burrow]

you're good

chewy has them rn

https://www.chewy.com/arcadia-reptile-pro-t5-kit/dp/1364790

[small bluff]

Why are they so expensive…

[dark burrow]

sadly one of the more expensive parts of the setup

especially with uvb and stuff you don't want cheap.

there's only a few safe and good brands and they're. all around that price

[small bluff]

How does the big dimmer work?

The thermostat

[dark burrow]

you plug your heat lamp into it, set the temp, put the probe on the basking spot, and it regulates the temp

[small bluff]

Like put the probe directly on the basking spot?

[dark burrow]

!setup

[jade umbra]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/446319772934864907/848716508532310036/heatUVB_setup_map.png

[dark burrow]

image is older and i need to make a better one but yeh.

[small bluff]

So what are all the important things I need?

[dark burrow]

everything here is needed for a proper setup

none of that there is like. optional

[small bluff]

Alright.

[dark burrow]

it's all the basic stuff. optional would be anything else you wanted to add like more decor, cameras, etc

a power strip you can set timers on for other lights is like the only thing that would be good to have that isn't on that list

that and a gram scale to keep track of weight

[small bluff]

I can just manually turn them all off no?

[dark burrow]

i mean yeh you can if you really want to. just easier to get into a proper schedule with an actual timer

[small bluff]

Timers seem complicated.

[dark burrow]

you set the time it turns on. and turns off.

done

they're not really. complicated.

😭 ?

[small bluff]

What's a good one?

[small bluff]

I don't know how to set a time on the twisty knob thing 😭

[dark burrow]

well luckily i'm not suggesting an analog one

so it'll be easier and there's a video for it if needed.

[small bluff]

A what now?

[dark burrow]

simple 2 outlet one:
https://a.co/d/00Q7a2LN

the power strip i use (has a phone app you use to set it as it's wifi enabled)
https://a.co/d/0dl0eSOd

[dark burrow]

the kind of timer you're referring to is called an analog timer.

[small bluff]

Ah.

I guess you learn something new every day.

[small bluff]

What morph do you have?

https://www.amazon.com/Zoo-Med-Repti-Basking-Lamps/dp/B07F449L8J/ref=sr_1_10?dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.BPP_RObhilgTVPO31jHBpge9SMvMbwbJUnCt29U9pVxRFl5ki8Rz67TKyICweuM2MLtxp_dQmV7czz-dAq-AxD0gBC-yDmZ2vI-NKyzOiSN_RIOkQJ9pTjgLN9Uzjtf6X9p817N1Y0iva6uhb4xtkkSXI8X6b9hL2SvTDq4lR6gnB8FkjxhPQmFPM19wFfYeIBi5WMlykMviUJR3OhHJntNGI5pg2NG9Y7KMAzJ5IzPlCjAI-Ky04oDD1ggTey4xh6GhknMxJNHw2rsvgmC12tZVMWdVKYhVjM612rsD6DU.t5ZaFEO5lnYI27UMuBQ1hs4Pm808oKrbT_RhAN9qVEQ&dib_tag=se&keywords=Reptile+basking+bulb&qid=1779324913&sr=8-10

[dark burrow]

i have 3 leopard geckos. all albino and all different strains of albino + other things

[small bluff]

Is this a good basking bulb?

[dark burrow]

this one is fine yeh

[small bluff]

Murphy patternless perchance?

[dark burrow]

one of them is yes

[small bluff]

Are they good to keep?

[dark burrow]

uuuh personality and stuff isn't based off morph

if that's why you're asking

[small bluff]

Off looks.

[dark burrow]

care isn't any different either

[small bluff]

Well.

Albinos you need additional places to hide no?

[dark burrow]

you need extra clutter ideally but all leopard geckos should be able to cross the tank without being seen

so

technically. that applies to all leos

[small bluff]

What light fixture do you use?

[dark burrow]

for heat lamps i use the flukers heat domes paired with the exo terra intense basking bulb 75w
I have a herpstat 4 for thermostat
I use the exo terra zone 1 high performance T5 UVB that came out last year
2 5000k LEDS on my tanks as well

[small bluff]

What's the differnece between the herpstat 1 and 4?

[dark burrow]

number out outlets

herpstat 4 has 4 outlets for 4 heat sources

herpstat 1 has 1

[small bluff]

1 outlet and it's $135???

Holy.

[dark burrow]

because it comes with a ton of safety features and other features

it's not just an outlet.

compared to others. there's a ton of features that make it worth the price

it's also made by one man and is a small business.

[small bluff]

https://www.amazon.com/Flukers-Repta-Clamp-Lamp-Switch-Reptiles/dp/B0002DHODG/ref=sr_1_1?crid=183NMOBQN1ZNZ&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.hhpsCVDfhGW3Ulscse6PyKvIqSs718Lq8Xg0iEN3qCTv3PFHSikprMLaH2IAxPjkyGBStGzcKWj426a6MF_VI0-QmB10dNuC0pghF15Ak-uHgEtmmgdQv7Vl6op6JA2osdLYoR1D3uBVBCvZybgmbt5ivWVA8F4_DTa39Wa79qPU-Ml2sdDdI7hnxInW0rmKqF7xkL0YoCCrCKz-XuwHV7O7yR0XYVhAouEOMtXsmAg8q1w-cM_zSTr4OoGdim2LO7DXp19F5O1yLaUuvTLNGAwlf2s96P31lcReiMLzJZ4.636-7lSQwrS_8DTLSlZK6NRP4CWEbJSXZY_8sEJ237E&dib_tag=se&keywords=fluker%2Bheat%2Bdome&qid=1779325209&sprefix=flukers%2Bheat%2Bdom%2Caps%2C142&sr=8-1&th=1

This one?

[dark burrow]

correct

[small bluff]

Plastic plants are good for leopard geckos right?

[dark burrow]

they're fine yeh

[small bluff]

What about hammocks.

[dark burrow]

nope

hammocks are not good for any reptile

safety and health hazard

[small bluff]

Aw but I saw this one tank and it looked good.

[dark burrow]

doesn't mean that it is 😭

[small bluff]

Aw shucks.

[dark burrow]

can still make things look decent and still provide outdated care and stuff sadly.

[small bluff]

amazon.com/Vodolo-Thermometer-Hydrometer-Thermomete-Accessories/dp/B0CT8HGW9P/ref=sr_1_1_sspa?crid=15DVN7ZDVK5KG&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.I1j2C8rybsK-a-gCTfDR9v0aNhmlPiRsYOzY2kcMsKrvCBx7fhtSE6-c8Fdm96pLZ7I5NuohtoPaEQkt8-AykR2t3PJTyyI0km8nfLa06W4nHjsNCS6fQM-22MFch-L3-K1bwUG51m-fTq7AlSAP8fjlWlzHJGdnWPGKqsgqJ9J8ZBfEBW2Rpq0NWTozugf_1JcwrByiyc1PE1ZI5yiQnf0zpwXeleIBVNbvEFlUzm0Hwh0-Z8teE5XwMper0qV-sffn7iYqKR4CtDB8Hhh9rs4i1DO3YlzP_Xs6956eeOI.TfxIV5jQ3dkmnVkyGn45kx06RqahOLV7PfrbcT4TiV0&dib_tag=se&keywords=reptile+thermometer&qid=1779325417&sprefix=reptile+thermomete%2Caps%2C158&sr=8-1-spons&sp_csd=d2lkZ2V0TmFtZT1zcF9hdGY&psc=1

This good?

Oop.

https://www.amazon.com/Vodolo-Thermometer-Hydrometer-Thermomete-Accessories/dp/B0CT8HGW9P/ref=sr_1_1_sspa?crid=15DVN7ZDVK5KG&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.I1j2C8rybsK-a-gCTfDR9v0aNhmlPiRsYOzY2kcMsKrvCBx7fhtSE6-c8Fdm96pLZ7I5NuohtoPaEQkt8-AykR2t3PJTyyI0km8nfLa06W4nHjsNCS6fQM-22MFch-L3-K1bwUG51m-fTq7AlSAP8fjlWlzHJGdnWPGKqsgqJ9J8ZBfEBW2Rpq0NWTozugf_1JcwrByiyc1PE1ZI5yiQnf0zpwXeleIBVNbvEFlUzm0Hwh0-Z8teE5XwMper0qV-sffn7iYqKR4CtDB8Hhh9rs4i1DO3YlzP_Xs6956eeOI.TfxIV5jQ3dkmnVkyGn45kx06RqahOLV7PfrbcT4TiV0&dib_tag=se&keywords=reptile%2Bthermometer&qid=1779325417&sprefix=reptile%2Bthermomete%2Caps%2C158&sr=8-1-spons&sp_csd=d2lkZ2V0TmFtZT1zcF9hdGY&th=1

[dark burrow]

Those are fine yeh

[small bluff]

How do these work?

[dark burrow]

They read the air temps and humidity of each side of your enclosure

[small bluff]

Current list.

[small bluff]

Should I put them inside the tank?

[dark burrow]

Ye

I have to replace the batteries on this one but

Example lol

[small bluff]

Uh

What do you use for a water source?

Cause I heard you have to treat it?

[small bluff]

Also should I get a food dish or nah?

[dark burrow]

I use bottled spring water since the tap water here isn’t safe for drinking water

[small bluff]

How do I know if my tap is safe or not?

[dark burrow]

Mmm there are house tap testing kits you can do or you can ask your parents if they know what it’s treated with

[small bluff]

Also where did you get your rocks from?

I'm having trouble finding a good rock.

[dark burrow]

Local rock man / landscaping company

[small bluff]

I don't got any of those near me...

https://www.amazon.com/Slate-Stone-Miniature-Aquarium-Wargaming/dp/B07C9VP3MM/ref=sr_1_6?crid=HL1R5PC3LA51&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.X1hfMmioFL3j7kUzMkAToIhnd82vV_pHq-686wLg1lB_o1dsAyp8he9lYd2ATqBwjwO7pqrb-s55ksA5R6qVFGukkD7Zn494vTova-TIrZAzvgk5o2THT_dxH3bfVvj2PVAkhot3eRrG0MoPegUZfM2UzTfnqZ4jN4qINkNs2VmDRpK1JhO8a8nqtW44SEnQdfncAX_yKr1H9urU-hnQAJYQ9AmkLNqh2_j6CluFtlY6gDs19ofF8d9Obsm3B9O08H60O832awzW1-2mRDmqh7hryJiqZhPyddfck3p1wtI.b-2eSOLFfM-bi8nvAA-Oo3bpmbNAdMr8RQBopIQn8BA&dib_tag=se&keywords=reptile%2Brocks&qid=1779325723&sprefix=reptile%2Brocks%2Caps%2C141&sr=8-6&th=1

This good?

[dark burrow]

1-3 inches isn't gonna be anywhere near big enough for a gecko to lay on

[small bluff]

I see.

[dark burrow]

leos are 8-10 inches long

😭

[small bluff]

How many rocks should I get?

[small bluff]

Oh wow.

He really wouldn't have fitted on that

💀

[dark burrow]

https://www.etsy.com/ca/listing/1031552429/black-slate-6-pounds-of-8-to-10-inch

great seller. who i bought rock from before i moved

[small bluff]

https://www.morphmarket.com/us/c/reptiles/lizards/leopard-geckos/2945951

Do you know anything about these guys?

I've been eyeing this one.

[dark burrow]

the seller?

[small bluff]

He looks very cute.

[small bluff]

Yes.

[dark burrow]

yeh they're one of the largest mills in the world

!badbreeder

[jade umbra]

Breeders to Avoid

Some of the breeders/sellers to avoid. This is not a comprehensive list; do research on anyone you are thinking about buying from.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1TboAAqOD1VCITuliqunBVo3CKz8F6Gpx/view?usp=sharing

[small bluff]

Ahhh.

I see.

I'm just going to go to an expo.

online shopping is really

Not fun

[dark burrow]

mm expos have the same issue

they don't vet who sells there

so you just gotta really be careful and know what to look out for

[small bluff]

So where should I buy from?

[dark burrow]

BUT we can give tips if you wanna look at the geckos in person

i mean i bought all of my animals online. however. you can still buy from expos. it's just about being smart and knowledgeable.

checking out vendors lists before hand and scoping out breeders, knowing what to look out for, etc

[small bluff]

Where did you get yours from?

Like online.

[dark burrow]

geckoboa, b&m gecko, and kattoherps

[small bluff]

Do you have any fake plants?

I searched up fake plants.

On Amazon and it came up with a bunch of vines.

[dark burrow]

Currently no but when i do i use stuff from craft stores and the exo terra ficus

[small bluff]

Which I heard are horrible.

[dark burrow]

https://dubiaroaches.com/products/exo-terra-ficus-silk-medium?_pos=1&_psq=exo+terra+ficus&_ss=e&_v=1.0

this guy is what i used when i had fake plants other than ones from craft stores C:

[small bluff]

https://www.amazon.com/Reptile-Hide-Box-Snake-Gecko/dp/B0DLKQ71HN/ref=sr_1_2_sspa?crid=1K34D2W1D74KJ&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.Ad4nM3N9JGpagi8s5CbJK-wxc0EGaI_2XE_h114NdLdx5YQXvhbfkJ7RdeU3-zw9lDQD96edq4nhdgWqx2lHTxGO14TlrcHXjOVimkRRdY9VCVYbsoNwF0fbai_dRmc77Ic30GA5EgeaOz6JiLh-Y2-R6Ka9Sc9ONBLrTkjdQK2QCelgMln_L4QsYvOo_jY3Dj_vs0Xn8_pB8YiSVHVdemXw2y7iMO6l8qz5-vQwZ3L6cKFIfjb6JELU0XtoNm7ijOq-7SYFijP7gOX4_K6nE27L_ub5a9r37csLU3fKASc.OsaSfxnPARRDs31p1Bp-ODHgEh0MYzEoUSbifDbEFtQ&dib_tag=se&keywords=hides&qid=1779326319&sprefix=hide%2Caps%2C184&sr=8-2-spons&sp_csd=d2lkZ2V0TmFtZT1zcF9hdGY&th=1

Are these good?

[dark burrow]

those are fine yeh !

damn

25 for 4 is

[small bluff]

Will they melt?

[dark burrow]

a good price

uuh they shouldn't

mine are hidden under rocks and wood

i don't have them directly under any sort of light

[small bluff]

I don't think I need the large 😭

[dark burrow]

you will

that's also. not large at all.

[small bluff]

They're 9 inches long

[dark burrow]

yeh you don't want your hides being tiny

as someone who has bought a few of these hides the smalls are not even worth it they're tiny tiny

[small bluff]

I have 36 in length

And 18 in width.

[dark burrow]

i use that exact size in that size tank my guy

[small bluff]

They fit?

[dark burrow]

and it's the size i suggested to you earlier

they're labeling them wrong that's a medium 😭

yes they fit?

[small bluff]

Alright.

[small bluff]

Yea they have an XXL.

Which I assume is meant to be the XL.

[dark burrow]

yeh

most likely lmfao

[small bluff]

I'm scared that they aren't official.

[dark burrow]

they don't have to be

[small bluff]

That's what I worry about.

[small bluff]

No like.

The people who sell them aren't legit.

[dark burrow]

i mean

the reviews are good

people are posting their reptiles on them

it doesn't have to say exo terra to be useable

and the companies selling them that are big named are just buying them wholesale like that company probably is

they all most likely come from the same or similar factories overseas

[small bluff]

What tongs do you use?

[dark burrow]

just some rainbow metal ones i got from a seller up here.

[small bluff]

amazon.com/OLIISS-Stainless-Reptile-Feeding-Rubber/dp/B0F1JS95WQ/ref=sr_1_1_sspa?crid=3HGURTCPHAHPI&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.82-frAf4kU8dKybL3dvxgs9CM6vj6wASfXJsLO_HFF_1OSql1yAuo0A5RK8pWDRYy1JMsUJF3OUITmMogxmMDanMc3xKGZQfOjJtHediKjZf-r4Z8l9EoPH_0tQY09NCReLocD0JGIWoKLP58fXOD3LaJHwBIWMJqp7bH4uB9i4imAMjm4k-hd_RzIxIrHowe_5LE2l_o5GXUSxBTwg-wp8eBMHmY2t2nhAF2QnVRmZjwlCDmp4XgjCjFcnXK-KoaasxLOUyhlj1Q1zDc0J2yvv7dYuGBUOq5Fy-9q51xEs.d7q7sakNReDoGX0dt_mCkiFHXJwR11p8I_ZZSjSYE4k&dib_tag=se&keywords=Reptile+tongs&qid=1779326729&sprefix=reptile+tong%2Caps%2C160&sr=8-1-spons&sp_csd=d2lkZ2V0TmFtZT1zcF9hdGY&psc=1

The

These?

Jeez

[dark burrow]

very similar yeh LOL

i just don't have the rubber tips

but that's essentially them

you don't need to do rainbow if you don't want HAH

i wanted the whimsy

[small bluff]

Am I forgetting something?

I feel like I am.

[dark burrow]

supplements

[small bluff]

Thanks.

[dark burrow]

annd humid hide

[small bluff]

Can I not just use the normal hide?

The black one?

[dark burrow]

needs to have a top and bottom to hold moisture and humidity in

[small bluff]

https://www.amazon.com/Exo-Terra-Gecko-Reptiles-Medium/dp/B008YDHDD2/ref=sr_1_6?crid=870CC31SP5X3&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.do1AIn1d_cY4E_lPXsypYOgk5gxNKWFK_lcsT3B0vGWAUCYW110a3vWKHx4S7vW2k3BglRD1cw-3GsAYrZKVBHbnP0ls5vnTJboYNDXw67pUG0mmyHzdYF66RfWVf6QYzumLKTSQntgbt_u2PDJjOB0vKOPHXRA4aVpMmpwhiRos4e_Jl0qEUJrA7w03CgMQjzS3QvIpctvSQ6BI83mZdS9bWv0Ghm5lkh-9zq-XwWSNLyxQVjff2bjFb8B-IGKve1tYjivM6rCsOCxbOPdVwMTJtfWjbFAjyEdmmmCL40w.Z9nRqEasOyR4KYips_OX191a9bi1bwvvt2puesvC2K8&dib_tag=se&keywords=humid+hide+reptile&qid=1779326843&sprefix=humid+hide+reptil%2Caps%2C148&sr=8-6

This good?

[dark burrow]

ye that one is fine!

[small bluff]

Don't you need moss too?

[dark burrow]

one option or oyu can do paper towels

[small bluff]

Does it matter?

[dark burrow]

not really. personal preference

[small bluff]

https://www.amazon.com/Zoo-Med-Reptile-Calcium-Vitamin/dp/B000UJSUO4/ref=sr_1_2?crid=FJV0T86WO8OA&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.LEv8_xQpwIFlRtyFzPx8DReTKDVvcKkyowSzbOGOPsL19Lr2dt8NfzMtRRsKnTA5lLmwd5CJccOZDmSc3SY1_U-7Mh0PszdmJWNpxAOQkVAHU2h3w1lHAk7pn89r9ci7GajXGdUgVjqWDLKvkm4G-GPG0WGdd8kJ-5A5wwPJ4w5Q7Ua-IeD_hA7qY6i70h5MxHCV3dbg37KwnOrG2EMcdkKuN2-V8N-P2giTudea6GdSeck7sdggXOBABBRu9aP-cgUk8oWe6ITmdbwsvSTvy7oaSIb2R_i1p7HqvaIuYgk.RUJH5g6P74zevVetVasPyXBcswQSId4D21o6IxtzUqI&dib_tag=se&keywords=calcium+with+d3+reptile&qid=1779326911&sprefix=calcium+with+d3+reptil%2Caps%2C146&sr=8-2

This good?

[dark burrow]

That's a good calcium with d3 yep

so you'll want the pure calcium version of that too
and then their multivitamin

[small bluff]

Right.

Hoow often do you need to replace them?

[dark burrow]

https://a.co/d/04OX5H4T
The mv ^ since the listing you linked has both with and withou d3 too

calcium you don't have to replace.
anything with vitamins generally good practice to replace once a year or so if you're not storing in the fridge as they degrade faster than the expiry date

[small bluff]

No like when do they run out?

[dark burrow]

OH uh

i get new regular calcium maybe like

every year and a half?

mvs i replace every 6 months or so for good measure

[small bluff]

Why is the container so small 😭

[dark burrow]

ur not using a lot of it

[small bluff]

Just a pinch right?

[dark burrow]

ye

they just get replaced more often cus vitamins degrade

can't really stop it

[small bluff]

Good?

[dark burrow]

looks about right yeh

[small bluff]

690.05

Not to bad

[small bluff]

How much did you get your murphy patternless for?

[dark burrow]

Lemon was 150 + 55 for shipping

[small bluff]

Where did you get it from?

[dark burrow]

I got him in 2020 from kattoherps

She was selling him due to him not fitting into her breeding plans

[small bluff]

Would you recommend her?

[dark burrow]

I love her yeh!

[small bluff]

Also do you bring you leopard gecko to the vet every year.

[dark burrow]

I send her updates every few months about lemon

[small bluff]

My parents said I'm paying for vet bills so 😭

[dark burrow]

Annd I only bring them when things happen personally but I did do an annual last year before we moved

[small bluff]

What are some signs that something's wrong?

Also I've decided that my leopard geckos name is going to be "Crouton"

!badbreeder

[jade umbra]

Breeders to Avoid

Some of the breeders/sellers to avoid. This is not a comprehensive list; do research on anyone you are thinking about buying from.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1TboAAqOD1VCITuliqunBVo3CKz8F6Gpx/view?usp=sharing

[small bluff]

Pet only means they can't be breeded with, correct?

[dark burrow]

Yep

[small bluff]

I have no interest in breeding.

And they seem cheeper.

[dark burrow]

In terms of health stuff there’s a ton of health issues so I can’t like. Mention every single thing

[small bluff]

Ah.

So don't get pet only leopard geckos

I see.

[dark burrow]

No no

Pet only is fine

They’re healthy if from an ethical breeder

[small bluff]

B&M.

[dark burrow]

I was replying to your previous question

Yeh no his are perfectly healthy

Brett is probably my favorite breeder

He’s a very sweet man

[small bluff]

Ah.

I see.

https://www.morphmarket.com/us/c/reptiles/lizards/leopard-geckos/3845731

This one is cool.

But he looks kinda mean.

[dark burrow]

Pet only leos typically are retired breeders or are from test breedings

Sometimes they’ll be special needs but majority of the time they aren’t

[small bluff]

https://www.morphmarket.com/us/c/reptiles/lizards/leopard-geckos/3267847

[dark burrow]

He says in the description the animal has a good temperament for that one lol

[small bluff]

This might be the one.

I love

That color

[dark burrow]

Little baby probably will toasty up a bit with proper lighting but that is a very lovely gecko yeh c:

[small bluff]

He was born in 2021 😭

[dark burrow]

Apricot (the one I got from him) went from water colored pastels to a nice toasty vibrant orange with nice warm markings in proper lighting

They’re all babies

Even if they’re 20 years old

That one isn’t a tang like apricot so he shouldn’t turn orange like her lol but his albino markings may darken when exposed to uvb and stuff but here are some pics of my bm baby c:

[small bluff]

How do you set up the Herpstat?

I’m watching a video and I’m nothing but confused.

[dark burrow]

I can send the one I made for the server cus it’s easier to understand

[small bluff]

Please do.

[small bluff]

@dark burrow

[dark burrow]

I’m doing stuff for my animals

I will send it when I am done

[small bluff]

@dark burrow still doing stuff?

[dark burrow]

i just finished

[small bluff]

So do you need to change the date every day?

[dark burrow]

no once you set it the date changes like it changes on all other tech

[small bluff]

I see

And you set the mode to dimming?

[dark burrow]

it'll automatically come in dimming but yeh keep it in dimming

[small bluff]

And how does th night cycle thing work?

[dark burrow]

it turns the heat lamp off at the time you have the night cycle come on, and turn the heat lamp on when it is set to turn off

will turn the heat lamp on if it drops below the set night temp too