#For Yuli

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queen frigate
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Let's go here to not clog up other chats.

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@brazen raven

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Let's go here.

brazen raven
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ok

queen frigate
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Coconut shit: I'm going to make the assumption you mean coco fiber.

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Can I see a picture of both enclosures?

brazen raven
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What do you mean both

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Toilet paper amd tjat coconut?

queen frigate
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Did you not buy a new enclosure today?

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Didn't you have one prior?

brazen raven
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noooošŸ˜­šŸ˜­šŸ˜­šŸ˜­šŸ˜­

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I need to get money first

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sorry for taking so long baby food here cost over 200$ a month yk

queen frigate
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Ahh the picture you sent is from the top of the tank.

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It was a little hard to figure out.

brazen raven
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no no I just got new things

queen frigate
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I understand. I am stating my confusion.

brazen raven
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yeah

queen frigate
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From the top down, I thought you were showing off a new tank, but itā€™s just the current one you have.

brazen raven
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ugh

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Sheā€™s doing that thing again

queen frigate
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Ok, while itā€™s small and an upgrade should come later, we can work with it.

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I understand. She needs to really see an exotic vet in person.

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You might have to continue to call every single day until they get you in.

brazen raven
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Stop poor baby

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She tried to bite herself

queen frigate
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Yes, you've said that before.

brazen raven
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I mean loke

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Now

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Iā€™m watching her

queen frigate
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Yes, you have mentioned that before.

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The only thing we can tell you regarding that behavior is she needs to see a vet.

brazen raven
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The closest one is only Saturday and not 100%

queen frigate
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Keep calling.

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If you can get to a vet in person that would be the most helpful thing you can do.

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For now, can we focus on the tank?

brazen raven
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ok

queen frigate
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Can you send me a picture of the tank, please?

brazen raven
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Itā€™s this one that I just send before

queen frigate
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Can you reupload it here?

brazen raven
queen frigate
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Ok, so we do want to remove that Coco fiber. So we can replace it with paper towels.

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We want to give her a sterile environment since she is ill.

brazen raven
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Yes SORRU

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Sorry*

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Im just feeding my daughter at this moment im really sorry can I text in like a 5 min?

queen frigate
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Sure.

brazen raven
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And I will also change to paper right after

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Iā€™m really sorry

queen frigate
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I'm at work. I'll respond when I can.

brazen raven
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no problem

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Iā€™m back

queen frigate
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Welcome back.

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How did the change go?

brazen raven
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It stick my hands

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Wait

brazen raven
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Itā€™s still a little messy

queen frigate
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While the tank is still small. We still want to provide a basking area if we can.

brazen raven
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whatā€™s that

queen frigate
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Like rocks stacked atop each other, which will allow her to absorb heat.

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You're going to want over head heating to accomplish this.

brazen raven
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oh

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So

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Iā€™m gonna need heating ligjt loke the red one but not red?

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my tank is really short

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so Iā€™m scared itā€™ll burn her

queen frigate
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Yes, you would want a halogen or incandescent bulb.

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How short?

brazen raven
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15 Gm

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Cm

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Oh and I placed calcium on that little thing

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If you can see

queen frigate
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Ahh yes. That is quite small.

brazen raven
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Is it bad?

queen frigate
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Do you have any second hand selling websites in your country?

brazen raven
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Yes

queen frigate
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Its far too small height wise for her.

brazen raven
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Look

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idk size but it looks better?

queen frigate
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It looks better, however, its far from practical.

brazen raven
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oof itā€™s so expansive

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Eventually I will get one yeah

queen frigate
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Yeah, reptile equipment is quite expensive.

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Can you afford a plastic bin?

brazen raven
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I wonder how much does it cost in your country?

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yeah ofc.

queen frigate
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A brand new one is about 200.

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How are you with diy?

brazen raven
brazen raven
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Iā€™m ok

queen frigate
brazen raven
queen frigate
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A plastic bin might be a good starting option. It would give you more space and is a cheaper option.

brazen raven
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For me itā€™s like 500$ in here

brazen raven
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I also saw growing rant

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Tent

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Whatever that called

queen frigate
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A lot of people use plastic bins as a starting cheap enclosure option.

brazen raven
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Do you think it will help her heal?

queen frigate
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However, I want to ask Yuli and I don't mean this in a rude way at all.

brazen raven
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huh?

queen frigate
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Are you positive you are able to provide for this animal financially?

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I know you mentioned you have a child. Child care is expensive and these animals are expensive.

brazen raven
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I mean

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Itā€™s not that I really really cant, itā€™s just that I have to avoid getting other stuff and get stuff for her.

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like new clothes for me, new toys for my daughter.

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not that I wonā€™t be able to live without these stuff, but I got really connected to heršŸ˜­šŸ˜­

queen frigate
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I understand that, however, this animal needs drastic upgrades in a short span. This is going to cost a lot of money.

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In addition to the upgrades, she needs medical care.

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I need you to really sit down and think about this.

brazen raven
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even if Iā€™m gonna rehome her Iā€™m gonna need to give her medical care before

queen frigate
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One of the best things we can do for our animals is provide them a home that can cover these costs when we cannot.

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Not necessarily.

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There are individuals out there that will take her even with her medical issues.

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I think it would be better for you and her if she can be rehomed.

brazen raven
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but itā€™s so hard leaving her

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Iā€™m gonna think about her all day

queen frigate
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I get that, however, is it fair to her right now?

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She needs medical care and a lot of upgrades.

brazen raven
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yes I know

queen frigate
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I understand itā€™s hard to give up a pet like this, especially when we, as owners, become attached.

But she needs a lot, Yuli. Right now, youā€™re already paying for things for your daughter.

It might be best for her to go to someone who is able to provide more for her at this time.

brazen raven
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no but I donā€™t want

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I want her

queen frigate
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I get that.

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Would you be able to afford a 1k vet bill right now?

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On top of a new enclosure?

brazen raven
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why 1k vet bill

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what will they do to her?

queen frigate
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Her medical issues could potentially cost around $1,000.

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She will need to see a vet, receive treatment, and would most likely need a follow up visit.

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Medical costs for animals are not cheap.

brazen raven
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oof

queen frigate
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Can you afford that and the other things you need in life right at this moment?

brazen raven
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I mean

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I can work extra hours

queen frigate
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You also need to factor in the upgrades she needs.

brazen raven
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and keep my daughter with me at work instead of daycare

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yes

queen frigate
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So can you pay for all of this in a short time frame?

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And ask yourself is it fair to your animal to make her wait a long period of time if not.

brazen raven
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how long do you think

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Is the longest

brazen raven
queen frigate
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A month for some things and other things can be dragged out.

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Medical care needs to happen as soon as possible.

queen frigate
brazen raven
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I donā€™t want to do it

queen frigate
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Then what would you rather happen here?

brazen raven
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keep her

queen frigate
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Then you can afford a 1k vet bill?

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Right now.

brazen raven
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ehhhhm

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if I really really need to I will do it

queen frigate
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I don't think you are thinking this through.

brazen raven
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I donā€™t know

queen frigate
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This is going to cost a lot.

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This is not going to be cheap.

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You are going to have to pay a lot of money here to keep her.

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On top of her medical issues you might have a cost that occurs monthly for medicine.

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If you can afford all of that in your budget then its doable.

brazen raven
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every month 1k?

queen frigate
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If not then you need to think long and hard about this.

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No.

brazen raven
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Iā€™m gonna try to get her to vet at Saturday

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and

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then

queen frigate
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I do not know the medical costs of your country.

brazen raven
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I will do it

brazen raven
queen frigate
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Tonight or tomorrow. I would go to the store and get a plastic bin. You can convert it into an enclosure for the time being.

brazen raven
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Which is 75 us dollars

brazen raven
queen frigate
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A bin enclosure?

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How would it hurt her exactly?

brazen raven
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I donā€™t know Iā€™m scared

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Iā€™ve done so many wrong stuff

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Iā€™m so scared now sheā€™ll die omg

queen frigate
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Look.

brazen raven
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Do I need to get the new tank and everything new in less than a week?

queen frigate
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I will help you as much as I can.

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But you need to listen to us.

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I have read through your message history in the past and we asked for changes that did not occur.

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If you want our help then you have to listen to us.

brazen raven
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cause

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I donā€™t know itā€™s hard

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and before that now Iā€™ve been to vet and she told me my tank it okau

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So I was like.. maybe they are wrong??

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cause I donā€™t think a vet will lie to me

queen frigate
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So vets know medical care. They do not know updated husbandary.

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Vets are trained to treat medical issues. Not provide husbandry advice.

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We have seen it countless times in the past.

brazen raven
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I donā€™t want to give her away

queen frigate
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Iā€™m going to be blunt with you: I am willing to help and do what I can to give this animal a better life.

However, if at any point you cannot afford her, or I notice any signs of neglect in her care, I will no longer be able to assist and will request that you rehome the animal.

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It is not fair to her or yourself. If you are unable to provide for her further.

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Is that reasonable?

brazen raven
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yes

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it is

queen frigate
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!bin

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For choosing a bin, you need to look at the dimensions primarily over the gallon/quart size. Glass tanks mostly go by the same standard dimensions, but plastic bins do not follow this rule. It should be equal or greater than 36x18x18, ideally with a floor space that is equal or greater than 648 square inches. When altering the lid, you can use a box cutter, plastic cutter, or soldering iron to cut. If you use a soldering iron, use safety precautions; wear appropriate PPE and do this in a well ventilated area, ideally outside. You can use either hardware cloth as the mesh. The easiest way to secure it is drilling holes into the lid and zip tying it down, but other methods work as well.

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brazen raven
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What if Iā€™ll go buy that plastic bin tomorrow?

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How long can I keep it?

queen frigate
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The bin? A few months.

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She will need UVB at a point.

brazen raven
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what do I need to get

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Else

queen frigate
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But for now a bin enclosure can provide her ground space and height.

brazen raven
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wait

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Loke this

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?

queen frigate
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What are the dimensions?

brazen raven
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I donā€™t know I canā€™t find

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Wait

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65 liter

queen frigate
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I need the measurements of the bin.

brazen raven
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This

queen frigate
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In cm, correct?

brazen raven
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this is mm

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59.5x40x36.5 in cm

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Mayne I can cut the side

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And glue with another?

queen frigate
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No.

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We are not going to do that.

brazen raven
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whyy

queen frigate
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Is it LxWxH

brazen raven
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hmmmmm yes I think

queen frigate
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Cutting the side of it to glue another enclosure to the side of it is not going to work out.

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I need to know if it is or if it is not.

brazen raven
queen frigate
brazen raven
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This is biggest

queen frigate
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The length is good. Can you find one a little taller and wider?

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That will work.

brazen raven
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I will search

queen frigate
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@patent juniper Can you a send a picture of that bin we were talking about?

brazen raven
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72.5x48x38.5?

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thatā€™s the biggest

patent juniper
brazen raven
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Thatā€™s

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What I have

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Rn

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It looks the same idk

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Itā€™s just taller

queen frigate
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A bigger bin that is longer and taller will be better.

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That is what we are looking to accomplish.

patent juniper
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that one is 90 cm x 45 cm x 45 cm give or take. but my other ones i had for travel are 90 cm x 45 cm x 30 cm cus it's what they had at the time

brazen raven
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Mayne Iā€™m just stupid and it just looks small in camera

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And maybe the hides r just huge?

patent juniper
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The hides are like 9 inches

brazen raven
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Oh

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Yeah

patent juniper
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But yeh I can see how it could be confusing from a picture because the 40 gal glass tank and our tank size graphic also confused you some when you saw them šŸ˜­

The bin could fit a small child in it though thatā€™s how big it is

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I could probably sit in it with my legs bent

brazen raven
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So do I like

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Need to see if Iā€™m fitting

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To pick?

bronze nebula
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ideally you could bring something to measure it with, like a tape measure :)

brazen raven
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Oh right

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Ok

elfin solar
brazen raven
brazen raven
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@queen frigate I talked to vet today about coming tomorrow and he said that even if I come he canā€™t do anything, only looking at her

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Thatā€™s so stupid

brazen raven
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Can someone text me privately please

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Very fast

lethal dust
# brazen raven Can someone text me privately please

Most people will want to keep care advice in the server because the mods/TAs can't otherwise monitor it. This is a place that doesn't particularly condone shaming people etc though so please don't be afraid to keep your questions here, it's an understanding community in my experience NQA

brazen raven
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No

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I need private

lethal dust
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surreal fossil
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queen frigate
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Good morning.

surreal fossil
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careful not to spam messages too quickly the bot will get you

queen frigate
brazen raven
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Sheā€™s not opening her eyes

queen frigate
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Well there could be countless reasons for that.

brazen raven
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No

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She is not reacting when Iā€™m touching her tail

queen frigate
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I would call the vet again and explain how this is an emergency situation.

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I cannot give you any medical advice.

brazen raven
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but they are not answringgg

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itā€™s Friday

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I texted everyone

queen frigate
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I would keep calling around.

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No one here can give you medical advice.

brazen raven
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What am I doing now

elfin solar
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iā€™m sorry this is happening but there isnā€™t anything we can do as we arenā€™t vets & arenā€™t there in person. is there any form of emergency vet around you? is she breathing?

brazen raven
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sheā€™s breathing

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but not reacting to anything

gilded cedar
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(I know I'm a little late) NQA but probably try to not touch her too much she's probably already very stressed I understand that you are worried about her but we don't want to make anything worse

brazen raven
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She ate a tiny bit of smashed worms with water and calcium

dim verge
brazen raven
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nope. They all cancelled me.

dim verge
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why

brazen raven
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No idea

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And she keeps her eyes closed

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All day

bronze nebula
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have you tried to get in again since they canceled the either day?

brazen raven
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yes

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I tried today

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and I texted them again like an hour ago

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The closest one is on Sunday, and I feel like they will do it again

dim verge
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if that's the only one you can go to asap then it's worth a try

brazen raven
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ok

dim verge
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good luck

brazen raven
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help

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I think sheā€™s dead

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Okg

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literally the worst birthday I swear

queen egret
brazen raven
queen egret
brazen raven
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I donā€™t think, I know

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First theres this yellow liquid underneath her

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And no heartbeat

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No breathing

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Dead

queen egret
brazen raven
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no

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I didnā€™t do anything new

queen egret
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When did u get her

brazen raven
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1 year ago and 4 months

queen egret
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Try touching her back or tail if you havenā€™t tried see if she twitched or kinda shine a light

brazen raven
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Her heartbeat stopped

queen egret
brazen raven
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Where tf do I put the body

queen egret
brazen raven
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I donā€™t have a garden

bitter junco
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Im sorry for your loss, you could bury them in a garden or in your case maybe a big plant pot if you have that. Some vets can do cremations and this might sound harsh or put her away in the trash.

queen egret
queen egret
brazen raven
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I already buried her 20 cm down the ground

brazen raven
dry arrow
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Kershaaw this is already being taken care of that's also not the best question to ask when a persons pet passes away.

Yuli i'm so, so sorry. I know you tried hard, You can call your vet and see if they can do a necropsy to help figure out the cause of death if you'd like. šŸ«‚

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Sorry i didn't see the part abt you alredy burrying her. I'm truly sorry about this, i know you've been stressed and trying to help, you did all you could. ā¤ļø

brazen raven
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yep thanks

queen frigate
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I'm sorry for your loss Yuli.

brazen raven
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I miss her so much oof

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elfin solar
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very sorry for your loss yuli