Anyone can help me out
#Ive got a lot of questions about geckos and enclosures
feral meteor
okay so the 20kg exoterra stone desert. dont get that just yet either. you need to quarantine for a few months on paper towel before using loose substrate
its going to be cheaper to find soil and sand from a hardware store
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Okay!
feral meteor
Does 90x45x30cm work?
90x45x45cm minimum
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So remove that from tbe list?
feral meteor
yes
feral meteor
height matters a lot for both space for the gecko to climb and for the right uvb
feral meteor
90x45x45cm
feral meteor
wish i could send it to you, im getting rid of it
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Oo
feral meteor
I dont se that one
there might not be one secondhand if youre only looking on marketplace
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Yeah im doing that rn
I see one
90x45x45
Some bid 80 euros
Send him a message
@feral meteor if its 3 month quarantine i can also buy plants and stones later right?
feral meteor
quarantine enclosures still need decor
sleek dune
The one that is larger then that is 100 euros more
hi i alrdy told you in the chat that there are cheap options on amazon
80x50x50cm is 75€ !!!!
sleek dune
90x45x45cm minimum
and if you need this size there are options as well that are under 100
twilit magnet
sleek dune
Some bid 80 euros
don‘t get scamed i would say cuz in eu terrariums are cheap …
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don‘t get scamed i would say cuz in eu terrariums are cheap …
Yes i know
sleek dune
so there are alot options on amazon for new ones under 100
if you buy second hand it could be possible that someones pet died in it so you might have to deep clean it 
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I will ask him
sleek dune
Yes i know
there are btw alot of things i wish i knew sooner as i got my first leo (i‘m from germany) that could have saved me alot of money
sleek dune
I will ask him
i think if they want to get rid of it they wont tell you
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Im gonna deep cleen it anyways
sleek dune
Im gonna deep cleen it anyways
idk much abt parasites and stuff but i think if you have a budget of 80€ for a new terra you should go for a new one
just incase
cuz it‘s the same price
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I know things about parasites since i keep anths
sleek dune
I know things about parasites since i keep anths
idk anything abt them they scare me 😭
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But might be different
sleek dune
But might be different
i sent a link btw if ur intrested in it
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Yeah i checked it
sleek dune
and i see that you asked abt substrate right
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Im using paper towels first
sleek dune
yes for quarantine ig do you plan on going bio active tho
sleek dune
ah i understand then i would suggest you use the soil and sand mix cuz 50l of soil is 14€ i used the stone dessert as i got my leo new and i spent 60€ to fill my tank …
with substrate
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Oof
sleek dune
yes there is a tortoise soil from floragard which is safe to use to my knowledge if you mix it with playsand you can fill ur tank with only one bag :)
but still nqa
feral meteor
<@309970782098948097> if i get 90x45x45 what lighting do i use?
depends on mesh blockage
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Whats mesh blockage?
feral meteor
the top of the tank will block out a percentage of uvb
different types of mesh (the stuff on top of exoterra tanks) block out a different percentage.
one tank may block out 40% of uvb, one may block out 60%. we make lighting recommendations based on that
feral meteor
so if you have the tank brand we can give you the recommendation
feral meteor
Do you and i have the same?
exoterra?
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Exoterra 90x45x45 will most likely be the terrarium
and this is what i need for it (if i add lighting and substrate to it)?
feral meteor
Exoterra 90x45x45 will most likely be the terrarium
you can use the arcadia shadedweller 2.5% or 7%
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Have you got a link?
feral meteor
honestly zoomed reptisun t5 5.0 also works but its a bit stronger and the fixture is clunky so i dont like it 
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Ooo haha
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you can use the arcadia shadedweller 2.5% or 7%
The 90.99 one?
feral meteor
both work, its your choice
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Whats the difference
feral meteor
you can do the 2.5% if thats better for you
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Idk whats better this is my first time
feral meteor
!uvichart
elfin lavaBOT
feral meteor
look at the graph under 35% mesh block
you want the number to be between 0.5 and 1.5
feral meteor
to put it simple yeah
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Okay
feral meteor
im very bad at explaining uvi
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No worries
so this is what i need?
except for substrate
i can buy that later on
how long is quarantaine?
@feral meteor
Is that everything i need?
feral meteor
youre missing a thermostat
and the thermohygrometers from your first list
and something to hold the lightbulb in
the fixture
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and something to hold the lightbulb in
What do i need for that?
Why do i need a thermostat?
feral meteor
Why do i need a thermostat?
to maintain the temperature that the lightbulb puts out and ensure it doesnt get too hot, and mitigate risk of fire
topaz crane
TLDR: everything on the shopping list is needed.
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https://www.terramania.nl/deluxe-porcelain-clamplamp-o-22-cm
The intense basking light goes in here?
feral meteor
yes
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TLDR: everything on the shopping list is needed.
Oo i didnt know okay
topaz crane
Until you get a tank btw. Don’t but uvb
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uvb is light right?
topaz crane
One of these for your thermostat.
feral meteor
Until you get a tank btw. Don’t but uvb
i recommended the 7% or 2.5% assuming they were getting the exoterra since thats what they mentioned
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which one is better?
topaz crane
i recommended the 7% or 2.5% assuming they were getting the exoterra since thats...
If it’s for sure an exoterra that’s fine yeh
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do these work as thermohygrometers?
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If it’s for sure an exoterra that’s fine yeh
exoterra 90x45x45 will be it most likely
but im not ordering anything till i have a terrarium
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https://www.terramania.nl/habistat-dimmer-thermostat-black-600-watt https://www....
which one of these do i use?
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ill choose the cheaper one then
and anything else i need?
this is what i have rn
and do i need better ones then these?
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my list costs 400 and a little more, that is without a gecko AND WITHOUT A TERRARIUM
i cant afford that
the dimmer is too much
topaz crane
That’s pretty normal for a startup cost
Rocks and wood you can find outside for free as long as the wood is a safe hardwood. So that can help with costs
You can get fake plants at craft stores as long as they don’t leak dye when they’re washed
feral meteor
yeah thats with the outdoor decor in mind already
feral meteor
i think they specifically wanted slate, i did say they could find flat nonslate rocks outside
topaz crane
Ahhh
feral meteor
welcome to caring for a pet
feral meteor
i spent 1.5k CAD on my tanks 
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Oh
feral meteor
i didnt need to
to clarify
topaz crane
On average the start up cost in total USD wise is like 1000 usd so 950ish euro
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I will look if i can get it to be any cheaper, but the dimmer is so much
topaz crane
That price is including setup, animal and vet care fund you should have a minimum saved up for
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Yeah
topaz crane
500-600 is the usd average for just the tank stuff
feral meteor
half of our discussion is in leo chat
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Ugh
topaz crane
just reiterating that reptile keeping isn’t cheap
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I only earn 25 euros per week
feral meteor
well youre in no rush to get a leo
feral meteor
assuming your leo is healthy, you spend 80% of the money you need to spend before the leo even comes home
how old are you
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If terrarium is 100 euros i need 500+gecko
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how old are you
14
feral meteor
you have a lifetime man
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Yeah lol
feral meteor
its worth it to wait, trust me
feral meteor
yeah that sounds right
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Ig thats only 10 more weeks then
8 more
How much is a gecko?
Theres loads of time to think about it, because they live up to 20-25 years
Thats a long time
feral meteor
How much is a gecko?
it varies
the standard price for a pet only gecko is 80USD
ive seen lower
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But i will be buying the terrarium already before someone else buys it
feral meteor
but you do need to make sure the gecko is from a reputable breeder
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it varies
the standard price for a pet only gecko is 80USD
So 580 for gecko and terrarium and supplies do like 700 is 120 set aside for vet
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but you do need to make sure the gecko is from a reputable breeder
I buy from my local pet shop probably
i do have everything on my list now right?
its around 550-600
topaz crane
yeee was just sayin it's not on the list 
topaz crane
OH it's under lighting
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haha
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ooo yeah xD
okay so i have everything then
if these work?
otherwise ill add some other ones
topaz crane
those should be fine
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okay
geuss ill be saving up 700 now
310 more to go
210
no more cookies and other stuff at school
oh 230 more to go actually
9 more weeks
Thats 63 more days
Omg thats alot tho
Ima make a countdown poster yay
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i do have everything on my list now right?
So ive really got everything i need in here?
sleek dune
I will look if i can get it to be any cheaper, but the dimmer is so much
you have to keep in mind that if ur not going bio active you have to change ur substrate ///
and your uvb needs to be replaced every year thermostat could also break or ur bulb anything so make sure that you have enough to replace those things if you have to
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you have to keep in mind that if ur not going bio active you have to change ur s...
Alright
sleek dune
take ur time :)
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Yeah
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Should i buy from my petshop?
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you have to keep in mind that if ur not going bio active you have to change ur s...
“Change your substrate”, why? And how often
And why replace uvb every year?
topaz crane
uvb loses potency over time.
sleek dune
you can do more research if you want to online but as far as i know you have to change ur substrate every 3-4 months ? cuz you have no clean up crew after you put ur uvb it reduces by time so it basically just dies it doesn‘t produce proper uvb anymore its recommended to replace after 12 months
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you can do more research if you want to online but as far as i know you have to ...
Okay
UVB is the light right?
topaz crane
substrate wise it's every 4-6 months or when it gets icky.
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And where do i put my gecko if i clean her terrarium
topaz crane
uvb is the long linear light yes.
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Okay
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substrate wise it's every 4-6 months or when it gets icky.
Alright
topaz crane
And where do i put my gecko if i clean her terrarium
you can put her in a small food storage container with air holes
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you can put her in a small food storage container with air holes
Okay!!
Thanks for helping guys i appreciate it
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@feral meteor ive decided to sell some stuff i have that i dont use anymore so i hope i can get like 100-150 euros with that
jagged cairn
Smart choice
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Smart choice
Ive already “sold” some
The person wanting to buy it has to approve it first
For 36 euros
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@feral meteor ive decided to buy all things with 580 euros and then save up 120 (if anything happens to the gecko in the time im saving up my parents pay it and i pay them back)
Ive already earned 55 euros selling stuff
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do i need a warmthmat and a heatlamp? Or just a heatlamp?
sleek dune
do i need a warmthmat and a heatlamp? Or just a heatlamp?
nobody recommends heatmats i think
!heating
elfin lavaBOT
sleek dune
there you go @severe bloom
sleek dune
yes only lamps for heating
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yes only lamps for heating
1 lamp is enough right?