#treasure-scramble

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shrewd pawn
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nah its true

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Omega for CS just becos of that

minor hinge
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@frail barn would never let that happen tidussnout

torn dirge
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this exploration is starting off imokbrutus

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do whales just wait until the end of ts and surprise put the real teams in?! lol or skill issue ig WAAAHsos

soft imp
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Each pip on the badge is also a matchmaking bracket. So when you first advance to a new bracket you exclusively face the teams above you that you found harder for a bit until more of the ones below you cross over to even it out

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So in summary it's pretty pointless to check winrate repeatedly throughout exploration, there's a lot going on that ends up averaging out in the end

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The only real value to mid exploration checks is if you want to review particular battles to see how a team did in case the 10 at the end isn't enough info. But mid exploration win rates are often misleading

torn dirge
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got ya all makes sense and ahh didnt realize even the pip on the badge mattered for matchmaking elethathink ok so it kind of accordions back and forth throughout the explo

modest hemlock
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Hey I need teams plus

inland grove
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No

quartz canopy
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where eugene? swap out aurelia? ashem? seal?

torn dirge
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idk things but i really like eugene on seal team

torn dirge
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soo i might have taken that vip9 deal katsos

shrewd pawn
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whel

torn dirge
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Lol is nice 🐬 i just wanted to finish doing this, needed 1 copy

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also that t2 hat looks real silly ^

shrewd pawn
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easy, just t4 her

torn dirge
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i could i never have any gold though why

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i have so many t3 stones stacked up bc no gold tiduslaugh

shrewd pawn
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u got her e60 now no? should be easy KT push

torn dirge
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good point at least cele tower, power cap on main tower rn - even w her… unless i rlly t4 everything lol

shrewd pawn
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just RC Cram khasosrun very worth fr fr

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atleast until u get to around lv400

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you can max guild bosses then and will have insane pushing power

torn dirge
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shld i just pop resource chests and yolo?

shrewd pawn
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yolo

torn dirge
shrewd pawn
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yeep I did it for those things, mainly for pcap in tower

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you can get dt8 and to ch45+ with around 380 though

torn dirge
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Ohh thats nice, more mv rewards too - and id guess gear/stones etc increase farther in camp khasosrun

rocky atlas
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campaign push after my next woke maybe ive been so lazy with it

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once the whoran tes come in ill have 450 te hopefully i pull a whole woke and dont have to push towers lorsob

rocky atlas
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perhaps areyouseirus

torn dirge
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tbh i rlly want asaf, but i wldnt be upset if whoran is OP ceciliaknife

leaden sun
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yeah, my plan for my next woke is either asaf or newer woke isathumbsup

torn dirge
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7t so sloppy lol i never noticed bc i usually fall to % and stop watching

leaden sun
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when we reach 7t, all from other paths are combined into 1, so yeah badensweat kinda more intense

torn dirge
rocky atlas
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6/7 of my teams are over 60% wr and im still dropping in ranks 😭

torn dirge
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Whel problems, now my wr are going down and rank going up whattttt LOLfric

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6/7 over 60% is crazy talenerise

rocky atlas
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its usually not this high for me thats why im surprised im dropping lmao

torn dirge
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Lol what region?

rocky atlas
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49

torn dirge
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do you need those kind of wr to be t100 in r49? badensweat

rocky atlas
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no

torn dirge
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Are you peepeehero? tiduslaugh i forgot i cld look at other regions

minor hinge
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yea peepee is an icon

torn dirge
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I wanna be like peepee one day freshseirus

rocky atlas
minor hinge
rocky atlas
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im gonna be dumb and change up a couple teams even tho they have good wr and probably guarantee t20

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in the name of science i suppose

torn dirge
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Cant fo unless you fa

shrewd pawn
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What 7t does to a good player

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Hellish right path

shrewd pawn
lime zinc
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My path was really cursed, I was 4% at halftime but 2% right as 7t started

minor hinge
shrewd pawn
lime zinc
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4% in red after last TS I could've been t100 with really good luck homegalul

minor hinge
shrewd pawn
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Yeaa.... Really good luck

lime zinc
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Was 30 points off t100 at halftime, which is barely 1% but it could've been possible khasosrun

shrewd pawn
lime zinc
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My roster is way too pleb for t100 anyway

shrewd pawn
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R9 must be hell if a player as big as you is at % badensweat

shrewd pawn
lime zinc
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I'm f2p so I'm giga weak

rotund island
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r9 is in the chinese kraken zone

lime zinc
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I didn't even think 1% was possible, but I saved up TE for half a yr then built 2 AWs at the same time homegalul

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Yeah, loads of CN players

rotund island
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I def got pretty lucky with my region in the long run

lime zinc
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In an older one?

shrewd pawn
rotund island
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r27, so kinda

lime zinc
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Oh a much younger one

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Nearly in the golden regions

minor hinge
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I can relate six, I sat at t24 literally the entirety of this season but just fell out of t50 this exploration

lime zinc
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Is that r5 or r6 NC?

rotund island
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I'm sitting at 3rd somehow bongosolise

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r6

lime zinc
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Ah r6 is pretty damn nice

rotund island
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yeah, r6 is nice makes me feel bad for spending diamonds for a better time though

lime zinc
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My only consolation is that at least I'm R2 NC not R4 homegalul

rotund island
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badensweat r4 would be rough

minor hinge
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whats wrong with r4

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is like julius there or smth

rotund island
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top 200 is very, very competitive

lime zinc
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Like r9 TS is a5 e80+ on all their AWs from t20 & up

tawdry hatch
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U can ask Farara all about it

lime zinc
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The regions are cursed by how many whales started at the time

tawdry hatch
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He's got t200 in CR before, but can't get t100 TS or t200 NC consistently.....that's how hard it is

lime zinc
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But NC regions like 5-7 are blessed because they're around engraveyard

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You can kinda gauge how bad a region is by looking at t200 NC time

minor hinge
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what would the most free region be in the long run? like if a young kraken was gonna join a server would it be better to join the newest server for the short term domination but the region potentially becoming hell, or going back to an older server thats unlikely to change

lime zinc
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It's just a weird thing for older regions, the younger ones are all easier

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It's just that r4 is especially hard

tawdry hatch
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Game too dead for new whales to whale and continue playing

rotund island
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There is soo much catchup to whale accounts that are f2p now, that it isn't worth it

lime zinc
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In order of diff it's
R4, R2, R3, R1, R5, 6, 7, 8

rotund island
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isn't r6/r8 the easiest t50 though?

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I don't remember

lime zinc
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Oh compared to r7? I don't remember

tawdry hatch
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There's just so few people in it

rotund island
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I just knew that before r8, r6 was an easier t50 at some point

lime zinc
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There's obvs more finer details to TS regions since they're smaller too

rotund island
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and teams can vary based on regions sometimes

lime zinc
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Yeah

rotund island
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I'm banking on people copying my current set of teams, so I changed them

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Hoping it doesn't hurt too much

lime zinc
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I'm just happy my CR & NC are a lot better than 6 months ago lmoa

rotund island
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CR is getting easier I think, a bunch of old accounts quitting

lime zinc
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My TS has only been much more minor fluctuations in comparison, since release

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My Evil Nem is still ass but my average CR is way better
Getting like 8-12% now vs 35% jan last year

rotund island
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ah yeah, much better

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This will probably be my 3rd top 200 for me, first time was end of August. Then I also got top 200 in the last boss.

lime zinc
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Smth like 50% jan, 2022 35% jan 2023, 16% jan this year, 10% now

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I got my best TS ever at halftime last TS, so hoping I can aim for some better ranks soon lol

wise harbor
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If your roster is complete or near complete

  • If your guild is good, copy guild guide assuming you have top players posting comps
  • If not, find other guides (probably not AFK guys since they look outdated) and copy
    If your roster is not complete
  • Try to copy people that over 2-3 cycles, are still maintaining good ranks, because they seem to know what they're doing
  • Cook your own comps, get inspirations from good players on newer regions because you never know maybe their ways can work
minor prawn
lyric cloak
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hold pleasetalenerise

lyric cloak
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Now I notice I'm missing somethingbelovedzikis belovedzikis belovedzikis

rocky atlas
soft imp
lyric cloak
rocky atlas
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Ah

rugged verge
lament acorn
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From 43 to 43, balance preserved

soft imp
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Dropped to 33, lowest all ts but still t50 so good with me

lament acorn
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Still great, I imagine top 20 is really hard to do

minor hinge
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congrats on t100 @torn dirge

wise harbor
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Rank 11 way better than I expected, I was thinking I might have dropped out of 20 skriathderp

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Oh at last, the curse is broken

rugged verge
torn dirge
rugged verge
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@minor hinge t50 when belovedzikis

fallen patrol
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My highest rank plate so far talenerise

wise harbor
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Everyone be improving it's putting pressure on me treznorsweat

torn dirge
wise harbor
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Didn't Omega top 50 first round

torn dirge
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i think so and was t50 alot of this last explo iirc

torn dirge
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I was checking that leaderboard as if there was something i could do about it tiduslaugh

wise harbor
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Daff 17 snap 23 Central 33 Farsight 44+62 man R49 is stacked

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R50 is freegion guys khasosrun

rugged verge
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@teal trellis 7th solisegasp

wise harbor
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Also @leaden roost new heights

wise harbor
leaden roost
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Its hard being f2p

wise harbor
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I mean like as long as top 10 it's all comfy

leaden roost
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Almost got 3rd again tho

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And ye i want top 10 retirement home

wise harbor
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Omega 57 tidussnout

leaden roost
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Rip goku tho

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Not maru status

wise harbor
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Is he still not back

leaden roost
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He couldve been new maru

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Gatekeeper

rugged verge
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Gatekeeping t1

fallen patrol
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He still mia at least 7 days now

rugged verge
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Probably realized he was spending too much

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And cut everything off completely

fallen patrol
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Or get top 1 and refunded

fallen patrol
wise harbor
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Naw I'm more than happy enough with alt top 10

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Alt is sort of like a experimental ground to test my teammaking skills

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So as long as I stay top 50

minor hinge
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I checked an hour before calc and I was back to t31 yet in the last hour I fell back out

fallen patrol
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it just be like that on 7t, i was t17 first calc and dropped to t31 final calc

minor hinge
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I think its just that others are getting more points so they pass me or smth idk

wise harbor
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I never celebrate too early, because DST the rounds actually ended an hour later which is 50m ago, instead of before I wake up for work

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Meanwhile there are people who celebrate like, 4 hours too early, by the time you stalk them... Their rank doubled

minor hinge
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As long as I keep doing better than I did the previous TS Im fine I just really want that t50 second calc

fallen patrol
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You'll get it next debuff trust cutiemora

minor hinge
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I finished alna so perchance

rocky atlas
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OK nice got t20 I hope whoran is shit and I'll have wucius for next ts 🙏

minor hinge
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I hope he's shit too, Ill be able to get M30 asaf just in time for ice

rocky atlas
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Asaf my beloved

minor hinge
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I have 3 free asafs lol and Im assuming I keep my 30 rate for TE

fallen patrol
rugged verge
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Surely pulling for an L asaf/thoran will work badensweat

minor hinge
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do you not have a single asaf? did you do alyca first?

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Im doing asaf first =te hypes her up to be better

rugged verge
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nuh uh

minor hinge
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yuh huh

fallen patrol
rocky atlas
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I would say wyca is probably still my pick over asaf but if u have 3 copies then just go asaf

wise harbor
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Totally F2P friendly comp, by the way khasosrun

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Actually the Gwyn star seems a bit off, just paint the yellow back on her

leaden sun
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1 rank better than before, also gj guys isathumbsup

leaden sun
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thxxx belindakiss perhaps it is becoz i worked on last 2 teams elethathink eventho they’re just a bit better than before

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this was wr literally before above, t53

polar karma
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How do u have lucilla already

leaden sun
# leaden sun thxxx <:belindakiss:574301713620795404> perhaps it is becoz i worked on last 2 t...

this is my 3rd consecutive time in t50 as pure f2p, but i think luck brings me to this as well as i’ve been at the border of t50 up til now, i aint guarantee myself to be t50 for future TS, but testing kinda helps altho a bit risky especially near calc, also figuring out stuffs like what’s the cause of rank down eventho high wr and trying to figure out how to improve, especially last 2 teams in last calc in this volcano TS for me, atho at the cost of other team going down

leaden sun
leaden sun
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in this case, by “luck” i mean the matchmaking and stuffs, the more u win in a single match, the more u get score, like if most of or even all of ur teams in that match are paired with enemy’s teams that u could win over

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of course, if the enemy’s already on par with each other, i.e. already big investment like whale or kraken, then it is the matter of teamcomp, colls, pets, trees, and could also be RNG in battle (dmg, crit or not, timing, etc.)

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some internal and external factor u could point out and how u overcome it, we are braining our brain 🧠 just like life itself

wise harbor
leaden sun
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and i've never said i underestimate anything in TS, it is all just my analyses badensweat

wise harbor
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Just assume most other people can't play worth a damn and you be okay astarnomnom

leaden sun
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and of course, in the long run, pure f2p (not pseudo-f2p like spender then being f2p, once u spend, u can never go the same way) will be left behind by the spender at any range, especially big ones badensweat

wise harbor
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If they beat you outside calculation you just think "How dare these scrub plebeians beat me that's impossibru with their competence level" angryalbedo

leaden sun
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spender always have the way to beat non-spender khasosrun depends on how much they are willing to go in tidussnout

wise harbor
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Reach 7 team, I dropped to 21, fixed slightly and got 17, then fixed again for final round and... 17->11

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Just need confidence

leaden sun
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and of course rowhale

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along with improving ur team ig isathumbsup basically all player

wise harbor
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Nah they failures, they can't improve khasosrun

torn dirge
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If just outside of t100 is 0.1% does that mean >=100k participants per region? 🤔

shrewd pawn
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Sure, if 90% of the players are bots

torn dirge
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So what kisaka said, assume they’re all incompetent lol

leaden sun
torn dirge
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sorry scrub plebians* nakorurusip

lime zinc
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Because if you were 1 point off t100 you'd prob get like 0.01%

torn dirge
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Ahh that makes sense so really when i see 0.1% it means 0.1% plus 100

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Hoping i dont need to care about that anymore 😅

wise harbor
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Even if you're ranked 101st, you'd still be lopped with the 0.1% crew, isn't it fun?

torn dirge
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Its funny i just wanted the rewards, but now i almost want the rank plate just as much anokiharold

soft imp
leaden sun
shrewd pawn
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whel

soft imp
leaden sun
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coz i’ve seen 1 other player that went to lucilla first even before daem and the player manages to be in t50 since last 3 or 4 TS r50 up til now, used to be f2p but now it seems the player are already p2w

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i’ve always seen the SGs prio in faq-resources, just that coz i am curious about the player going for luci first XD i tried and kinda make it like him with some luck and coincidence ig khasosrun

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again this is just me testing it out and kinda work for TS ig, dont try this blindly

shrewd pawn
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Had a player in the server im on (I dont own 1114) do that as well, he also went for AAtha first though homegalul. Anyway, He did Luci and Lava first which was smart cos he had carries for both cele and hypo tower

leaden sun
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just follow the faq resources and what experienced player said generally talenerise

leaden sun
shrewd pawn
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yeee way too much diversion or something. Stick to Alna for good PvP thingy

leaden sun
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i could go lava first so i had time to collect chall coins just for alna then my SGs pulls for alna could be cheaper depends on luck khasosrun

shrewd pawn
leaden sun
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w8, i missed it XD also what gif? i forgor khasosrun

shrewd pawn
leaden sun
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also i am still pure f2p talenerise khasosrun

shrewd pawn
shrewd pawn
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why did u not go for the genshin ones tidussnout

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you're now a Kraken khasosrun

leaden sun
shrewd pawn
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I just put him in Ashem khasosrun he helps raise WR by a tiny bit

leaden sun
shrewd pawn
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You can get to 1t in guild bosses around RC380+, got mine with RC390 for Wrizz and around 400 for Soren

leaden sun
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ig i will w8 til like 200-300 SGs pulls (including diamonds) to see if i’ll go alna or lavatune first so at least i can make either to M while still saving red chests as well as cores and shards

leaden sun
shrewd pawn
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both are kinda bad at M lmao, Alna as you know, doesnt do anything without 9f, she'll do the same thing at E and Lava is also bad at M, he also barely does anything

shrewd pawn
leaden sun
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i could go for alna, but that means her SGs pulls are like any other, not using chall coins for her only to save some SGs pulls for next tidussnout khasosrun

shrewd pawn
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cant you just pull her with SGs and buy her shards in Chall store tidussnout

leaden sun
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yeah ik tidussnout khasosrun i just think what if we use chall coins for like half of alna’s 14 copies to A babasmugga

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i’ve already got orthros and zolrath, merlin seems eh til 9f ig khasosrun

shrewd pawn
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thats 7 months tidussnout you'd have built 2 celepogs in that time (ithink)

leaden sun
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so build lava and aurel while saving chall coins for entire alna’s built homegalul khasosrun

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shards and cores problems

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yeah ik hehe i was just joking

shrewd pawn
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you'd just have to make do with Naroko Rem in TS or something ig - for 7 months homegalul

leaden sun
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yeah tiduslaugh

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🌝

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also for my next woke, i could w8 (mayb) for 2 or 4 months after whoran elethathink badensweat

shrewd pawn
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knowing you, your luck, you'll get your 3rd woke 3 months max

leaden sun
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i am not that confident but i really hope so, not taking much time and save me some SGs pulls hold on, chall coins for alna’s almost entire built so i could save-

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Omega and others will already surpass me isathumbsup i’ll be left behind khasosrun

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i mean it talenerise

soft imp
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But I don't think lava is a big boost for ts in general, I thought he was decent there but his main value add is in every other mode

lime zinc
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M Lava is like having a supercar that doesn't have any doors or steering wheel
It still goes fast but it's not quite the real thing

shrewd pawn
trail swift
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so is Randle based or cringe

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he looks based

carmine shale
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For TS? Cringe

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I wish we had a solid summoner comp for pvp though

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Nevanthi be back in the meta again

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Actually hold on a minute

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Aurelia Randle nevanthi are already a solid core for it

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Maybe liberta and Lucilla for the energy regen/debuffs with that team too?

trail swift
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this randle arena of trial stage is cancer

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jesus

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had to look up a guide for one of the stages ,-,

torn dirge
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For the trial at the end? The lvl900 part for the extra dia

trail swift
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nah one of the stages where your ally options are pretty bad

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eorin trishea rowan lucian rosa..

lime zinc
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Nev is a meme

novel nimbus
lime zinc
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They are difficult, it's hard to make them not win first try

trail swift
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i haven't lost one for like literally 2 years

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this one just kept failing over and over

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cause tamrus would hop in and wipe team

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im a bit intoxicated tho idk 🤓

trail swift
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i took him to A30 alreadyy

rugged verge
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probably takes too long to ramp up

trail swift
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isn't he a buffer

rugged verge
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not really?

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he's pretty reliant on setting up a few serpents to do big damage

rotund island
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the stage is a lot more picky then others imo

lime zinc
trail swift
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yeh he seems like a less good ivan ?

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idk i HCP'd, t4'd and si30'd him so far

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i have faith

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1 copy from 1* and no hcp left though ;/

civic badger
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damm

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first meta randle now athor wtf

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i mean both might be meta

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give it time let the krakens try him out

trail swift
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how we feelin about this new pet

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seems busted but everything in this game seems busted now

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everything new anyh0w

carmine shale
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New pet Def busted

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Just took out an ashem seal comp with a aluc Aurelia comp and new pet

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No contest

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Wasn't even close

topaz hemlock
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Is this a good set up for first round ? As i cant copy others for now

shrewd pawn
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I'd swap Ivan and Lib as 1st team is very stacked. You could even just remove Tamrus and put Lib on 2nd team and use Naroko in 1st team

topaz hemlock
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ok THX !

topaz hemlock
shrewd pawn
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thats fine, Simona should be a subdps not a main dps

topaz hemlock
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alright thx so it would be :
T1 : rem naroko wathalia dae shuna
T2: ashem atheus lib simona ivan

shrewd pawn
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yeep, I'd have suggested Hild but he doesnt have 9f and the others will be used in higher teams

lime zinc
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Sim normally won't take Ivan because the actual dmg should get him

topaz hemlock
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ok thx ! i'll spy the ranks for the following rounds

rocky atlas
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Why are u frontlining dae tidussnout

shrewd pawn
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its Rem and Naroko frontline wdym

rocky atlas
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Was looking at the picture

topaz hemlock
minor prawn
rocky atlas
minor prawn
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nah

rocky atlas
shrewd pawn
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enemies first day are nubs, Dae front will work khasosrun

minor prawn
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enemies always nubs

torn dirge
trail swift
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chuddup

civic badger
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ts forest guide

dusk pendant
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Could you please suggest me 2-3 teams for treasure scramble? I miss a lot of the heroes present in the guide 😦

wise harbor
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If you already are mad enough to make E60 Atheus Palmer so early you should have idea of what to use ngl

dusk pendant
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I am just bad at putting out formations :/

wise harbor
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But that aside, 2 to 3 team don't matter much since your actual reward is around 5 teams

dusk pendant
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I made all my heroes E60, I just realized that I can keep them above 30 🫠

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At the best I get in top14

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And around top18 the most

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Yes

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Sorry

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S1107

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Actually I've started a new one too which will be F2P

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But in this I have Shuna and Rimuru

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Not much but I did put in some

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Oden is not good?

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I love him

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He carried me a lot

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I did put resources wrong, Grezhul and Mishka +40 signature

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But I still wanna keep this account

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Maybe but I doubt I will leave my main account

dusk pendant
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Even if I keep playing on this one?

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What's that bad about it?

frigid parrot
arctic gorge
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Def restart

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Wayy too many resources wasted

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Will never be able to keep up with the rest of the server

formal crag
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Is there any examples of good team comps for treasure hunt?

shrewd pawn
shrewd pawn
formal crag
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Thanks!

formal crag
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I usually go with rem, Ivan, atheus, Lyca and gavus, should I replace some of them with Ashemira, lib, Dae since they've all leveled up here?

shrewd pawn
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You can remove Lyca for Ashem, the others doesnt really work at 1 copy

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Ig your enemies will be newbies and old idiots so it wont matter

formal crag
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Thanks a lot mate!

torn dirge
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Its really not a joke, fate/destiny is real thing

wary thistle
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Reese my goat

torn dirge
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Based on what? Hacker

torn dirge
wary thistle
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I just got in olympians guild. We are now guildmates

torn dirge
wary thistle
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I lost 1. Lmao

torn dirge
wary thistle
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Man my luck for ashem is so bad. I just used 40 TEs during the discount. And I didn't get one

torn dirge
torn dirge
wary thistle
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I still have e+ daemia atm. I just finished building lib. Lmao. So just around 15 4f heroes ascended and lib

torn dirge
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tbh i thought joan wasnt gonna be that good but if shes in a comp where she can spam her ult she gets kinda crazy, good support

wary thistle
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I see. I'll look into it

torn dirge
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i took screenshots of all my ts p sure so for budget comps i think i can actually help lol

wary thistle
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Here's my box. Lol. I just want to improve my ranking. Even just a little bit. I'm at top 8.2 last TS. I can ascend scarlet, misha, numisu, thoran or daimon or grezhul. If it helps with my ranking

torn dirge
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Misha

wary thistle
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I probably can't ascend scarlet now that I think about it. I don't have a lot of fodders for lb

torn dirge
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Oh u have her A already

wary thistle
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I meant mishka. My bad

shrewd pawn
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reese the whel

wary thistle
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Yo. Both my goats are here

torn dirge
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Eh leave them unless gnna use for link, thoran not good in ts except maybe seal team and even then he can wait to be ascended i think 🤔 wont need him in camp for a while probly

wary thistle
shrewd pawn
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I am just a person, no animals over here no sir

torn dirge
wary thistle
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Seuphy the kraken

torn dirge
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Eh patience is a virtue and all that, daimon not gonna help much

shrewd pawn
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Phytoplankton*

wary thistle
torn dirge
shrewd pawn
torn dirge
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*all times lmao except the last one

wary thistle
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Or was it this

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My team 4 is complete dogwater. I thought abel would help a little bit

shrewd pawn
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those look like campaign comps rakuhmm

wary thistle
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Lmao. It is

torn dirge
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You try using the afkguys guide? Its not perfect but great way to start

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I always start that way and then cheat off of omega and amphy tiduslaugh

wary thistle
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When will I have a decent TS comp? After I finish lava?

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I think I'm addicted to the rank plate from TS

shrewd pawn
torn dirge
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before that, u finish ashem and you’ll start to do ok imo

wary thistle
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I'm at r51 currently

torn dirge
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oh so definitely will do well once u have ashem done - in the meantime a few other heroes should become useful

wary thistle
shrewd pawn
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ooh yeee should be wayyyy before that, 51 is new freegion

wary thistle
torn dirge
wary thistle
torn dirge
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No shuna? ulricry

wary thistle
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Frickin ashem just doesn't want to be ascended man. I think I spent around 240 TEs for her to be mythic

wary thistle
torn dirge
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Ik how u feel, especially nothing ever happens between ts’s for me lol i end up building heroes in the middle of ts all the time

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Which ig makes sense only 3d in between

wary thistle
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Yeah. I spent all of my t4 chest just to have s chance at improving TS. Lmao

torn dirge
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Idk how i feel about gear tidussnout always have something more important especially when its t2 => t3

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ik its important tho

wary thistle
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Yeah. I used it on heroes that are e30 or more tho. I just used it on weapons and boots to spread it more evenly

torn dirge
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Rest rbsg or you’d spread too thin

wary thistle
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My lb tower comp is not working. Lmao

torn dirge
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Decent probly but idk how to do it on purpose w random stuff yet tbh lol i had a lucky one like this last ts

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but only bc box is big enough to free up ivan dae like that

wary thistle
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I need that fricking ashem man. Come on lilith

torn dirge
#

Who’s your rem link?

wary thistle
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It's oden

wary thistle
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And palmer on emilia. But I used key

torn dirge
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Thinking

Ashem, ivan, vill, sim, silas
Jerome, atheus, lib, palmer, emi (seal)

🤔 at least for 2t - misha fits with either team also imo

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For ashem fox or owl if you have it

wary thistle
wary thistle
torn dirge
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hm, pb is rem dies easy if you dont have alna or +1 cover - ig id pair rem w ivan when u get to 3t for that reason

lime zinc
#

Looks like a 10 hero team here kHAHAsos

torn dirge
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lol looks like this to me

lime zinc
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It's just funny formatting in the reply

torn dirge
wary thistle
#

If only this stays. Lmao. At least I got to see myself at this rank

torn dirge
wary thistle
#

Lmaooo. I don't know how to Photoshop tho

shrewd pawn
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easy, just ask @leaden sun or @minor hinge to teach you, they're masters of Photoshop

wary thistle
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My goat reese is also very good at photoshop

torn dirge
lime zinc
torn dirge
minor hinge
minor hinge
shrewd pawn
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Amazing as usual

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Such phenomenal work

wary thistle
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The subtle 69420 is so perfect

shrewd pawn
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I bet you cant top what he did

leaden sun
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i am not made for editing the reality, so sorry sadira khasosrun

shrewd pawn
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rakuhmm You edit your f2p badge all the time wdym

leaden sun
shrewd pawn
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here is fine, so the others can see how good u are at photoshop

leaden sun
shrewd pawn
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well where is it?

leaden sun
shrewd pawn
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really had to show off your skills, you even made it in video form, amazing

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and you did it in such a short time, insane

rare grove
dusk pendant
shrewd pawn
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literally just follow that guide

shrewd pawn
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=guide

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why it no work here

fervent escarp
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Just check the pins in questions ig

shrewd pawn
dusk pendant
dusk pendant
# shrewd pawn

Wish I could find a bigger version of it, I have bad eyesight hahaha

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Thanks

shrewd pawn
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ah just go to questions, I just copy pasted that image so its low qual

inland grove
#

Colls and pets?

frigid parrot
#

yeah big collections make a big difference, especially in the earlier teams where you will have a higher amount of mirror matchups

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for example, i forgot swapping my collections for the first round today and i went from 2% to top 20 after changing them back to the good ones

trail swift
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2 teams has massive rng too

lime zinc
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2 teams is just memes and rng

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So is 3t tbh

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Like, you can get 100% wr and not be in t100

polar dune
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I constantly forget to fix collection and still rank well

rotund island
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Good teams and good collections can make a difference though, atleast for my account

woeful plume
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makes a massive difference if you haven't yet outboxed everybody.

late brook
#

i was almost t50 last ts and now i can’t even get t100

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any tips?

shrewd pawn
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and it is the first days though. Only calc rounds matter

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ask for help when you're struggling on the round/day before calc

wise harbor
slow badge
topaz hemlock
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Is this decent ? Copied a dude from top 100 and improvised last team

shrewd pawn
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Id remove Mulan for someone else, shes not 9f so shes useless

late brook
late brook
oblique shoal
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anyone here with level 450+ units?

wise harbor
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As in RC450+?

torn dirge
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450 is p high to me im self conscious about my small crystal badensweat

lime zinc
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I'd say small starts at 480 (min for DFT), below that is baby tiduslaugh

oblique shoal
wise harbor
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Even my alt is 610 right now

rocky atlas
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Wait I asked in the wrong channel fuck

earnest wing
fallen patrol
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Looks like an old region, what's your ts rank and wr?

earnest wing
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40% and idk what wr is

fallen patrol
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win rate, damn rank 40%? did you stop playing for a while? you could probably improve your rank try checking your region's top 100 and see if you can copy some teams

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but that looks like a =restarting

earnest wing
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But uh I only have gavus as my only ascended awakened

fallen patrol
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Ohh that's why, that's definitely a restart then

earnest wing
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💔💔💔💔💔

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I do have 14 other accs

fallen patrol
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just restart on the newest server

earnest wing
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I’m too lazy

fallen patrol
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Well if you're lazy just be contented on what rank you can achieve on TS and just try to enjoy the game if u can

earnest wing
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Might be able to pull out if I lock in and get good tg and sg rates

uncut girder
#

how do i fix this?

wise harbor
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Spend and raise hero tiers, they count for a lot, then think about setting teams up properly, you're lacking in both roster and hero grade

soft imp
# uncut girder how do i fix this?

Remove all E heroes from teams you want to have a chance in hell. You're literally just gifting the opponent a +100% DMG buff or something with that lava. And also the lucilla and Brutus but they'll die after lava. He's buffing them way way more then he's buffing you in this debuff

torn dirge
#

gl ‘cramblin everyone dabsi

torn dirge
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Is aatha + jerome a thing? mutiple rounds ran aatha in a “burst” team - adrian, tam, etc.

Cant even get past < 30% wr… add jerome and the team is suddenly good - just thought its weird since i feel like usually dont see jerome in burst

shrewd pawn
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I've been using Jerome, Tam, Emi, Palmer, Aath as burst - and many others probably. It always does 50-60%+ WR every debuff for me - rarely goes below positive WR at 4t+ . It was doing pretty badly in 3t below but now im at 4t and its doing pretty well - it has 100% WR at 9 battles rn, thats pretty good

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Jerome heals and buffs team so that might be it, and your addy might be si20 and he does nothing at that invest, except for Stall for a bit

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ahh it just lost its first one

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lost to a mirror match up to @rare hare, Insane

torn dirge
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addy is at si30 and still not enough w/o jerome - ig could be aatha 9f thats missing? shes at 307e60 rn

shrewd pawn
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9f is just dmg reduc so I doubt it

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might be si40 issue tiduslaugh

torn dirge
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Thats what im afraid of lol sitting at 230/322 whites reds - how early is si40 aatha acceptable?

shrewd pawn
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mmm I think its when you have most of the good si30s, idk though. I'd wait for someone more knowledgeable

lime zinc
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Adrian doesn't do anything until SI40

rugged verge
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U can use him in TS at si30

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For newer regions I guess

fallen patrol
#

i think omega is using adrian si30

quartz canopy
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me 2

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my watha has 90% with 303e0 adrian

inland grove
quartz canopy
inland grove
quartz canopy
inland grove
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the incident

quartz canopy
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most handsome nunu player

inland grove
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thanks you

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im almost challenjour

quartz canopy
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🧢

inland grove
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no cap

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i lost to T1 twice though 0% winrate ):

rocky atlas
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Good thing u didnt give geng nunu practice

inland grove
rocky atlas
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Oh lmao

rare hare
lime zinc
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Isn't that just because baby regions can solo carry with an AW though

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Even something garbage like E Raine or Numisu would be better than Adrian below SI40

rocky atlas
#

Nah there's definitely noticeable wr improvement with him in a lot of cases

lime zinc
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Fix the older regions so we could get away with meme stuff like that too khasosrun

woeful plume
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he works at si30 with aathal

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It's not really meme, buff works on backline assassins at si30

wise harbor
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GenG knows T1 too much to lose against them unless Chokevi happens

woeful plume
#

oh god u play League too?

wise harbor
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No I just look at their stuff sometimes

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I have no idea about the heroes except names that gets mentioned a lot tidussnout

rocky atlas
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Never heard of a person that watches league without playing before haha that's a first

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But yeah I agree geng should win

minor hinge
# lime zinc Fix the older regions so we could get away with meme stuff like that too <:khaso...

I dont know how well it is in regions where people are using comps with multiple wokes and everythings fully invested in, but there's quite a long while in the development stages in regions where you can get away with using addy +30 with aatha, he works at any investment below that in other comps as just a frontline tank since he has cheat death and cc. But at the very least his +30 gets a similar wr as using like jerome if not even better at times.

wise harbor
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The closest I ever have gotten to start playing was years back getting the PAX ward skin and made account, but then didn't in the end

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If I did I probably would have been Garen Lux for life

wise harbor
# rocky atlas But yeah I agree geng should win

You need 5x Faker on T1 and then practice extra and come up with a strategy that they won't anticipate, just like they don't do well against unfamiliar opponents outside LCK, for T1 to break the curse

rocky atlas
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I'm ok with them not breaking the curse I've been a geng fan for years 🙏

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Mostly a ruler fan but I stuck with them even after he left

wise harbor
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Chovy is the future, he just need to play a lot more against other leagues

rocky atlas
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Ya agreed

minor hinge
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peepee you should join us in companions

rocky atlas
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No it looks too slow and boring tidussnout

minor hinge
wise harbor
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They're going to add collections to it soon enough

minor hinge
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they're already in it, the pets act as collections

rocky atlas
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I don't have the attention span to play more than 1 account

wise harbor
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No they will double down so now you have both pet collection and artifact collection

rocky atlas
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I will drop one too fast

minor hinge
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then drop arena, dead game ong

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companions is where its at

rocky atlas
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So true

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Arena is unfortunately a good game even with lilith trying really hard to ruin it pensivelucius

wise harbor
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Good when you're dominating, bad when you're on the losing end

rocky atlas
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Haha true

minor hinge
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mhm, and they're trying to not ruin companions, its literally the same game too just like if you went back to 2019 and made #classic-suggestions of current features

woeful plume
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It will probbaly be a cash grab thing for lilith

wise harbor
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I probably could have went during beta for curiosity but didn't in the end

minor hinge
wise harbor
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Like, sure it's interesting to think about different approach without Rem and all that, but I just don't have energy to deal with a third

minor hinge
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Kisaka didnt you play before Rem and even Daimon?

wise harbor
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I did indeed but I think companions is different to even that?

rocky atlas
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shes r2 right? she had to be there for a long time

minor hinge
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no its basically afk before daimon

wise harbor
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No access to Nevanthi back then, team 2 was standard GB

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I don't even remember the stuff on main except, at one point I L'd Seirus to pass one stage

minor hinge
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I mean yea its not exactly like it was, I dont know what heroes were out before daimon tbh so I cant say exactly but the point is that you're basically pushing like it was before there were OP carries

wise harbor
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Is there like separate app though

minor hinge
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they even made it so you can only level 20 levels ahead of RC to make it just that much harder

wise harbor
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If so I might try it casually on emulator

minor hinge
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so same app

wise harbor
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Nah too much effort, don't want to switch in and out on same, rather have a fresh install and run that

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Even main and alt are not actually linked so I could be on both at the same time

minor hinge
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wym? Like its literally like switching to a new server type process

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ah I see what you mean

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I think you could just sign into afk on your phone and emulator and then on one of them switch to companions lol

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or two emulators or two phones or how ever you like to play

wise harbor
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Will see if I have free time, also play like 3-4 other things at the same time

minor hinge
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if you ever do remember to switch to server 7 🙃

rocky atlas
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kisaka ur a gacha monster how can u keep up with so many at once

soft imp
# lime zinc M Lava is like having a supercar that doesn't have any doors or steering wheel I...

Seeing the dilemma here. I have him m30 and really needed some buffing on alycas team so I tried him. Besides the obvious lack of e60 issues, he also has a major stage problem without 9f. Without that stage at start he basically has to get lucky and ult twice in rapid succession or else that stage really doesn't do anything at all. He just keeps putting up the small stage which doesnt reach the other stationary back liners. He's clearly missing a ton of value, it's a wonder he's useful at all at this invest lol

lime zinc
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Oh in TS it's a complete meme
It's usable in CR & NC but 9F is mandatory for TS (even say 30360 wouldn't work in TS)

soft imp
rocky atlas
#

yeah hes really slow without 9f and especially slow in this debuff

soft imp
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Yeah but also like the teams you want to use him on involve stationary backline people so they're in the stage

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But the problem is his small stage doesn't even reach the back top and back bottom starting spots

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And he has to ult twice in rapid succession to make it big without 9f. Even requiring ult twice would be bad enough but its worse then that, it has to be like back to back because he has to ult again before the stage disappears

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So he's really not doing much at all anywhere at m30 from the looks of it. Not just missing the obviously good e60 buff, even his stage buff is mostly useless unless you get lucky with a well timed death next to a 9f rem or something

inland grove
#

Minecraft roblox terraria and club penguin

woeful plume
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mc is goated tho

minor yacht
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Any suggestions

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I’m trying to improve my middle 2 teams but I can’t seem to figure out what lineups to put, even with this currently top 3%

torn dirge
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I dropped the ball crazy, woke up 2 mins after ts started lol morrowcry shld have fixed teams last night

torn dirge
minor hinge
torn dirge
#

knew the name was familiar lucretiawave

spiral mauve
minor hinge
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@slow badge 👀

slow badge
minor hinge
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you're on the edge of t20 rn

slow badge
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Oh lol you KNOW that’s not gonna last

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I’ve never finished better than T51

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And you’re there too!

minor hinge
slow badge
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Oh wow 70%??? Mines at less than 50!

torn dirge
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mine at 60% but im hangin right below at t36 katsos

leaden sun
#

GL getting those t50 talenerise

torn dirge
leaden sun
torn dirge
civic bridge
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Definitely not top 5

late brook
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my 6t teams are struglingg

wary thistle
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How do I improve my TS teams?

wise harbor
wary thistle
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I'm at 1%, r51 currently

minor hinge
#

@ishoki. Im fine with ideas on my 5t but my 6th is kinda what Im more concerned with, I suck at making a 6th and 7th team

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@rare grove

rare grove
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7th comp can just be a scuffed scarlet comp. Just keep your 5 teams as it is

minor hinge
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but it does surprisingly good with any 3 of them

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I didnt expect M30 asaf to do so good, shes the carry of the comp

rare grove
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Yeah the sp and her ult makes it work. Then rem with his support skills

minor hinge
rare grove
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Once your IC is 12 then asaf is 309e60 it will have a better wr

rare grove
minor hinge
#

elethathink true, I did figure tamrus but tamrus can tend to carry that comp and Im sure his 9f boosts libs performance aswell so Im alittle scared to test it. I also am unsure if I should put tamrus back into my aatha comp hm I feel like what ever I touch rn would leave me with a good hero that has no where to go

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I do know that 0f merlins in seal comps have been performing well in this region tho

rare grove
#

Tamrus is usually solely with burst watha comp. Try if you have better winrate with tamrus instead of ivan

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Then ivan to a comp where you can boost more wr

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Merlin to seal

minor hinge
#

@slow badge how are you still t20

shrewd pawn
#

@minor hinge gifs arent disabled here

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not yet at least

minor hinge
leaden sun
minor hinge
#

How about we dont get it instantly nuked

shrewd pawn
#

yes, I just celebrated the return of the king (channel)

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Ill dial it down even more now - the spamming

minor hinge
#

We just gotta somehow keep this a secret from ana

glass iris
#

careful u guys are gonna lead the coming of a second Dday

minor hinge
shrewd pawn
glass iris
minor hinge
shrewd pawn
#

lycalurk Ana lurking

limber arch
#

no no continue

shrewd pawn
#

I told you

shrewd pawn
#

Good bye gifs

leaden sun
#

it's been a good time feelsbelindaman

minor hinge
#

morrowcry was a good 2 minutes and 30 seconds

shrewd pawn
#

it wasnt my fault this time

minor hinge
shrewd pawn
minor hinge
shrewd pawn
#

Its joever part 2

minor hinge
shrewd pawn
#

now I go to find other safe havens you can spam gifs in

minor hinge
shrewd pawn
#

what does OS mean

leaden sun
#

official server

minor hinge
#

Official Server

frail barn
#

original server

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oh it was official

minor hinge
leaden sun
shrewd pawn
#

varying answers belovedzikis

slow badge
rough hare
frail barn
#

idk i never bothered to learn what the word was

minor hinge
leaden sun
frail barn
rough hare
shrewd pawn
#

based

slow badge
minor hinge
#

bros gonna get himself banned

rough hare
#

you cannot silence the voice of the people

leaden sun
rough hare
#

VIVA LA REVOLUTION

limber arch
#

bet

rough hare
#

shit

shrewd pawn
minor hinge
#

when was even the last time someone got banned from OS? Was it Gabe?

shrewd pawn
#

wasnt it Gerrie

rough hare
#

zekon no?

rough hare
shrewd pawn
#

yea literally yesterday someone got banned

minor hinge
shrewd pawn
#

227 years is far from temporary belovedzikis

frail barn
#

Ana, he's asking if you can pretty pretty please un ban him, he says he is struggling without the guides

glass iris
#

what would you be doing that would be enough to warrant a ban?

frail barn
shrewd pawn
#

what would you be doing that would be enough to warrant a ban?

leaden sun
#

not following the rules tidussnout

frail barn
#

enough to warrant getting banned

frail barn
rough hare
leaden sun
shrewd pawn
#

1 word

rough hare
#

attempting to remove anas pineapple is most likely an insta ban too

minor hinge
glass iris
minor hinge
#

Cheetobean got banned on his first account for the same thing, got in an argument with a mod

leaden sun
frail barn
#

i must say ana is truly enjoying watching you all suffer as she takes away something you guys can do one by one

minor hinge
frail barn
rough hare
minor hinge
frail barn
#

ah

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only you can send gifs

shrewd pawn
#

and she can use gifs belovedzikis

leaden sun
#

mod

shrewd pawn
#

Aboose

frail barn
#

make it so i can too, i wanna laugh and point too

minor hinge
#

Mod Abuse

leaden sun
frail barn
#

pretty please ana

minor hinge
#

You're not special

shrewd pawn
#

facts

frail barn
#

im purple

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i am special

minor hinge
#

you cant even react or use outside server emojis here

shrewd pawn
#

ooooooooooooooo

frail barn
#

there are less cs in this server than we have fingers

frail barn
shrewd pawn
#

how

rough hare
#

theres levels to this game khasosrun

minor hinge
shrewd pawn
#

they're powerless outside of questions

frail barn
#

oh youre right

leaden sun
frail barn
#

i guess its only places where we have mod powers

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so the companions chat is also another place

shrewd pawn
#

hehe you can just save the image of gifs and you can send them

minor hinge
#

are they banned

leaden sun
minor hinge
#

how did they even post thos but dan couldnt post his?

leaden sun
#

i see lol

minor hinge
#

Im so confused what is happening

leaden sun
#

Euphy no longer green badensweat

minor hinge
#

He's gray I think he got banned

leaden sun
#

sadira 🫡

leaden sun
minor hinge
#

yea squid just dm me

quartz canopy
#

Is seuphy banned?

minor hinge
#

nah just muted

quartz canopy
#

Lol

lime zinc
#

Were they one of the people spamming in DFT homegalul

rare grove
#

Who else are muted?

simple kernel
#

y'all think there could be any mae swaps at all here

minor hinge
#

Also this Screenshot is basically foreshadowing for what happened today

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@rotund island gave them the idea it would seem

minor hinge
minor hinge
civic badger
#

sea cow is a mean dude

inland grove
#

Wait you guys got gifs banned belovedzikis

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This is why we cant have noice things. No more cat gifs gg

leaden sun
#

consequence of overcargif spam khasosrun

minor hinge
frail barn
#

No gifs in this channel

rugged verge
#

I can't believe you've done this

minor hinge
frail barn
#

No it wasnt

minor hinge
#

the only channel no one spammed even tho it has no slowmode is the one that got gif permabanned lol

frail barn
#

But Seuphy had to open his fat mouth

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Then ana followed in

minor hinge
frail barn
#

Games game unfortunately and Ana has the better game

minor hinge
#

lmao

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just a weird choice imo laishrug tho Im not gonna say more so no ideas are inspired

frail barn
#

Ana prefers to do straight bans

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Removing gifs and pics was her showing restraint

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Then they got times out once they found a way past the gif block

polar dune
#

Game doesn’t recognize game

dusk pendant
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So guys, prepare for a messy one. I know that my team is bad, I've already started on a new server but I still wanna save this one even if it takes me 3 months to do it. So I have the following teams(incoming)

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How can I put together 3-4 decent teams?

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These are the pets:

rocky atlas
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3 months is not enough to save this unless youre dropping a lot of money too

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but ya i cant help bc ur box is missing too many meta units and idk how to build without them

dusk pendant
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6 months without money then 🙂

minor hinge
# dusk pendant How can I put together 3-4 decent teams?

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Well you need (in the order that I see them):
Liberta 9f and e60
Hilwin +40 and get his star for e60
Emelia 303e3x
Jerome 309e33
Alna 9f
Daemia 309e36
Ashem 309e60
Aathalia 409e60
Asaf 309e60
Alyca 409e60
A&E 409e(unsure off hand)
Villanelle +20 atleast
Tamrus 309e3x
Misha 309e60
Simona 209e3x or 4x
Randle 309e60
Bronn 303e30
Aurelia 309e60

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Lucilla 209e60

And thats all just for TS, I excluded heroes for NC and CR

For pets you are wayyyyyy behind and all sorts of messed up you dont have fox and going off your heroes you should have like seal 18 and reso 9 by now....

Good luck fixing it but you're almost literally building a whole account from scratch with how much you're missing

dusk pendant
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Thanks, I've saved this. Do you also have any suggestion about teams?

rugged verge
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Hild SI40 is overkill
Emi kinda wants at least 12f or maybe even 15/18f for TS (IS dupes)
Adrian is just e30 because shards are free
Sim e4x is meme (just because e4x in general is kinda meme these days)
Aurelia is SI20 or 40, 30 doesn't make sense

minor hinge
minor hinge
# lime zinc Hild SI40 is overkill Emi kinda wants at least 12f or maybe even 15/18f for TS (...

Hild si40 because hes not getting another highborn and you get a shit ton of whites and reds for dragons if you played during release which looks to have

I'm being fair, she's good at 3f he has alot to build
I wasnt sure if he even needed engraves
Didnt remember what I have her at so I put both options
Havent heard a thing about aurelias build I just kinda assumed average for celhypo

thanks for the addition/clarification, just wanted to explain my notes

lime zinc
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You're better off getting Melion SI40 than Hild though

rugged verge
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Omega speaking without thinking again belovedzikis

leaden sun
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for aurelia, yeah, either u stop at 20 or go straight to 40

rugged verge
lime zinc
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Adrian doesn't need any engrave, just that e30 is kinda the standard barebones minimum for existing homegalul

dusk pendant
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Hildwin is already SI40 tho...

leaden sun
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9f is a must for him, cheat death isathumbsup

dusk pendant
lime zinc
leaden sun
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finish nyla to si30 first, just lil bit more, i dunno much about her si40 khasosrun also dont forget hild 9f, also nyla furn as well i think

dusk pendant
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Thank you for the advices guys

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I will just try different teams and see what works

lime zinc
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Wait why's Hild SI40 when he doesn't even have engrave solisespeechless

leaden sun
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miss 2 more copies, 1 or 2 months from guild store solisemelon

leaden sun
dusk pendant
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Thanks 🙂

dusk pendant
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Just did my Liberta to 9f, I think I will start pulling for Lucilla next

rugged verge
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Plz tell me u didn’t card that belovedzikis

dusk pendant
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He was 8 👀

rugged verge
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Hildwin 9f first

dusk pendant
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He is 3, I will get him there next

lime zinc
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I knew that it's hard to do another draconis as for him we got a lot of copies so that's why I did it

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But besides him, I did a lot of bad choices indeed

lime zinc
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Yeah it's easy to get stuck in flawed reasoning then make mistakes, just gotta learn for next time isathumbsup

dusk pendant
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Agree

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At least my new account doesn't have any big mistake

minor hinge
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L+

lime zinc
# minor hinge did he have melon?

Idk didn't look, but hypothetically you'd be better off building Meli than getting SI40 Hild
Or not using the embs until Meli was built if you couldn't do it soon

dusk pendant
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I already have 134

minor hinge
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All I know is that he asked for what he needed without spending, he's not building a dragon as f2p

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he had hildwin already so investing in that is better imo

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especially if swap event allows you to swap it

lime zinc
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Well you'd save you embs until you could in that case, Meli's not an HB anyway

minor hinge
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you get to squeeze use out of him until you swap for like lan

minor hinge
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but all that also depends on him ever building melon

minor hinge
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lime zinc