treasure-scramble

[dusk tundra]

doesnt make sense but ok

[native sundial]

[solemn sage]

rowan and jerome for "close following companions"

[native sundial]

How many lab coins do we get per month ?

[solemn sage]

depends on VIP

[tender arch]

like a lot

[native sundial]

Im vip 10

[dusk tundra]

at least 3k

[solemn sage]

bob calculated it at 142k a month for f2p with full FoS

[native sundial]

You forgot to buy some humor with that 400 bucks

[dusk tundra]

wasn't joking tho

[solemn sage]

240k for VIP14

190k for VIP13

[native sundial]

Just calculating for dimblems

[dusk tundra]

thats a huge difference between 14 and 13

[solemn sage]

Base lab coin rewards are 100%
FoS 145%
VIP13 195%
VIP14 245%

[native sundial]

What is FoS bro ?

[solemn sage]

field of stars

[native sundial]

Ah

[solemn sage]

pretty sure lab coin increase is fairly early in FoS so most people should have it

[native sundial]

I used 300 dimblems on my Mulan over Rem … i had 45/60 arthur old shards and sold then

Then reseted lab store

And got 100 more dimblems

[glad plank]

interesting choice

[native sundial]

Weeeeell

I couldnt see my Mulan e60 without si30

[tender arch]

anyone have a 309e60 mulan?

[tender arch]

could i have sir

[solemn sage]

I guess it's time to clear a slot

[tender arch]

[dusk tundra]

bro is nervous

[tender arch]

thanks perp

[native sundial]

Appa is killing Floras

[solemn sage]

gave you a decent collection

[native sundial]

[tender arch]

[dusk tundra]

flora is easy to beat

just got past 3 stages with her

[thin ermine]

bob

[native sundial]

Fararaaaaa

Where are u man

[thin ermine]

?

[native sundial]

Lets chat

[thin ermine]

???

[native sundial]

Im bored

[thin ermine]

time to afk

[native sundial]

Aaah you are not in a mood

Kk

[cinder cargo]

🐳

[thin ermine]

mood?

im in very good mood

[cinder cargo]

fara new pfp

it's cute

[native sundial]

Talk then dude

[thin ermine]

superb cute~

[native sundial]

XD

[thin ermine]

talk what lol

[solemn sage]

lol

[thin ermine]

lol stats lol

[cinder cargo]

what the heck???

[native sundial]

Dont be sad for loosing gavus trial

[trail swift]

no collections posting outside of /dev/null

[thin ermine]

i move on quickly especially if u dont remind me

[native sundial]

Full errosion

Whats the use of that rly

[trail swift]

🤮

🤮 🤮

🤮 🤮 🤮

[thin ermine]

anything thats used w. trish/abel/abaden ig can use it

nice ers~

[cinder cargo]

what the heck

10M???

[thin ermine]

?

[native sundial]

??

[cinder cargo]

10 M stats ^

[thin ermine]

oh

lol

[native sundial]

Lol i didnt even count

[thin ermine]

me neither

[solemn sage]

it's usually people lucking out on the totems that give chance of doubling

[cinder cargo]

makes sense

[native sundial]

Why did they had to get their fingers on ghoulish

It was perfect

[restive goblet]

How?

[thin ermine]

perp how would u rank the three blue totems from best to worst

[thin ermine]

[native sundial]

Isnt the one that gives 2 stats at the end the best one ?

[trail swift]

first worst, second worster, third worstest

[thin ermine]

[thin ermine]

idk hearing mixed response so wanna hear more opinions

[solemn sage]

Plunder >>> surprise rendevous > the other one

[cinder cargo]

lol

[thin ermine]

plunder best

[cinder cargo]

I have the exact opposite opinioin

[restive goblet]

Do people take every hero off the crystal for ae or something?

[trail swift]

2 free stats = 2 more chances at the 0.00000000000001% +1 skill

[restive goblet]

how does this dude have 0 CMBR

[solemn sage]

rating surprise rendezvous higher than plunder is just objectively wrong

the 3% chance of extra same tier is more debateable

[trail swift]

UI bug maybe? that wouldn't even happen at lv1

[cinder cargo]

plunder is basically useless imo

[thin ermine]

the 3% one i wanna say is the worst in my opinion

[cinder cargo]

you're grinding a chance for something good that's so low it's statistically insignificant

[thin ermine]

veri good question ive seen it multiple times as well

[cinder cargo]

but I should clarify the context of the runs matter a lot

[solemn sage]

Plunder is two floor 10 stats
Surprise rendezvous is one floor 5 stat and one floor 10 stat

[native sundial]

This one said “tier depends on the number of floors reached” but at the end we still get green and blues … how is that even works or what the meaning ?

[cinder cargo]

you get crap most of the time though

[solemn sage]

yes you usually don't get lucky

[lofty silo]

Plunder always gives me spicy shit

[cinder cargo]

and because you can't swap the stats for anything, it's just crap

for the other ones

[solemn sage]

but one is objectively better than the other

[cinder cargo]

you get them early on

[restive goblet]

Technically the one that gives a stat at the 5th/10th floor would be better than plunder in the instance where you get a mythic stat on floor 5. Is that possible?

[lofty silo]

Bro I get all my swaps before floor 7 anyways

[cinder cargo]

which means if you get like green PP or something, you can swap your M buffer out for it

[solemn sage]

meaningless

[cinder cargo]

again, run context dependent

if you are doing a blank run, I can see plunder being not bad

[native sundial]

@thin ermine thats what i meant “talk” you asked something and 5-6 ppl started chatting

[cinder cargo]

like 1 blue rest blank

[solemn sage]

the odds that I didn't have a good swap option stat before that floor 5 extra drop kicks in are practically zero

[thin ermine]

i started it

[cinder cargo]

I've had that way too many times

[native sundial]

I know

[thin ermine]

im just lurking to c what peeps say abt it rn

[native sundial]

[cinder cargo]

especially if you get swaps early on

[solemn sage]

but how many of those times does the extra single floor 5 stat actually end up making the difference

earlier than floor 5 swaps it doesn't help

[cinder cargo]

honestly a lot of times

[solemn sage]

later than floor 5 you probably already have a stat worth swapping

[native sundial]

I got 5 mythics in a blue run

[cinder cargo]

has helped me at least 5 times already

[thin ermine]

the other question i have is if u get the floor 10 two stats as mythic would it deactivate the pity system?

[solemn sage]

I've gotten far more than 5 mythic stats from plunder already

[cinder cargo]

I haven't gotten a single one yet

only got 2 legendaries

[thin ermine]

i had some mythic ones too. sometimes good sometimes bad

[native sundial]

I dont get the totems sometimes

[cinder cargo]

it's probably just empirical rng difference causing the difference in opinion

[native sundial]

Number of floors reached

Mean you get

[restive goblet]

I think like at least 1/3 of my collections have 0 mythic stats

[native sundial]

Better tier

[cinder cargo]

hmm in that case maybe both should be kept

[native sundial]

But you arent

[thin ermine]

yeah its not actually proportional. kinda just rnt

[thin ermine]

same

[restive goblet]

getting something good by floor 6 is not guaranteed at all

[cinder cargo]

so blank runs are, well, less blank

[solemn sage]

I mean yeah generally in blue runs I use both

and the purple 3 stat on floor 10 if I have it

[cinder cargo]

I usually use all three, but maybe the 3% one sucks

[thin ermine]

i just use all 3 blues

[cinder cargo]

but then again

[solemn sage]

I probably have enough staff income that I should just upcycle the 3% one into purples

[cinder cargo]

it takes 500 blues for 1 yellow

500!

[solemn sage]

don't turn them into yellows

turn them into purples

and use the purples

[cinder cargo]

hmm

I don't think most purples are worth it

[solemn sage]

unless you're whaling a lot of staffs

[cinder cargo]

trading all purples into golds yields 11.54% increase

[thin ermine]

thats what i was kinda figuring. i think most purples r kinda meh. maybe just keep the good ones and the rest into golds

[native sundial]

Most of these are blue runs

[solemn sage]

I'm actually out of purples atm

[cinder cargo]

and a lot of the purples are very meh

[restive goblet]

You should not be running out of blues I don’t think so no reason not to recycle at least some of them

[thin ermine]

[cinder cargo]

@thin ermine do you mind me sharing the results of our discussion (in guild chat)?

[solemn sage]

long term f2p will run out of blues if not buying shop staffs

[thin ermine]

go ahead

[wild vapor]

my favourite purple is fabulous loot

[thin ermine]

kinda y i bought it up in the first place

[restive goblet]

well then f2p should buy shop staffs

[cinder cargo]

ok so I think there should be 4 types of runs

[thin ermine]

when theyre done w. reso18 or close. prob should

[cinder cargo]

1. SWaG (only after lv2)
2. L Combo runs (probably just straight away tbh)
3. Trash L run (straight away)
4. Blue run (to use up chances)

nothing else is worth using

for combo runs, either triple L run after lv 3

or more likely 2 combo + atk stats purple

[native sundial]

F2p cant afford Apsinthe

[cinder cargo]

what's that

[restive goblet]

What do you mean by combo run?

[cinder cargo]

all the combos

[thin ermine]

pairing up

[restive goblet]

Like some yellow totems and some purple ones?

[cinder cargo]

like MP sorc, ERR sust, HP fort, PP cele etc.

[native sundial]

Apsinthe ?

[thin ermine]

kinda like mage blessing w. mp etc.

[restive goblet]

Oh the class ones + a stat

[cinder cargo]

I legit dont know what that is

[thin ermine]

yeah class + stat ones

[glad plank]

green juice/staffs

[restive goblet]

what about the “full X” and the atk/def/hp one?

[thin ermine]

y is green juice = staffs?

[cinder cargo]

is that L?

that's the trash L run

just use with some purples ig

[thin ermine]

the full x one i though of running w. tank blessing

[cinder cargo]

or with blues

doesn't really matter

[native sundial]

Absinthe

[thin ermine]

ohhh theyre so alike u right lol

[cinder cargo]

???

uh...

[native sundial]

[glad plank]

i only understood because i was here when anaste first showed that pic

[cinder cargo]

before pity, I think buying staff is risky, but optimal

after pity you're trolling if you are not buying staffs imo

[restive goblet]

they look like an alchemist’s test tubes to me

[cinder cargo]

I thought they were tubes too lol

[native sundial]

Did the little panda drink it ?

[solemn sage]

swag runs with 3 golds for best chance at 8 mythic (whale only)
swag runs with purple skillup for best chance at +2
3 yellow leftover runs (after level 3)
2 yellow + 1 purple leftover runs (with level 2)
1 yellow + purple/blue runs (to work towards level 2)
trash runs (whatever purples/blues you have left)

[thin ermine]

panda even more green after growing up so very likely~

[native sundial]

What is swag run ?

[solemn sage]

miracle worker + farewell gift

[thin ermine]

purple skill+1 gold skill+1 w. extra slot

[native sundial]

https://tenor.com/view/swag-squirtle-pokemon-pikachu-psyduck-gif-5084233

[thin ermine]

[solemn sage]

supreme skillset usually used as third

but whales can replace it with a third gold for lower +2 chance but higher 8 mythic chance

[tender arch]

i skipped over this. what was the answer?

[thin ermine]

very whale

[cinder cargo]

oh I didn't account for whales

[thin ermine]

fur

[cinder cargo]

whales can do their own thing

8 M is also excessve for low spenders

will be wasted after new set of collections drops

good for campaign ig

[native sundial]

Btw

Why is this carnival thing still up

[cinder cargo]

the problem with this

[native sundial]

Are we getting anymore rewards ?

[cinder cargo]

is low spenders and f2ps can't get enough L totems

so if they saving everything to lv 2

they'll never get to lv 2

[restive goblet]

Supreme skillset/miracle Worker/farewell gift

Someone shortened it to Supreme, Worker, and Gift and then shortened that to SWaG

[cinder cargo]

or it'll take them like 2 years

which is obviously suboptimal

[native sundial]

Crazy

[solemn sage]

just save swag runs til level 2

[cinder cargo]

ye

I was thinking that too

throw everything else at the wall for now

[wise whale]

@old fog

[solemn sage]

well

[cinder cargo]

or maybe hold back on the single gold runs untl lv 1

[native sundial]

Whalimo

[solemn sage]

don't just throw triple golds at the wall yet

[cinder cargo]

f2ps can't afford triple gold runs

[wise whale]

says the kraken

[cinder cargo]

f2p and low spender

[solemn sage]

I mean with your trash golds

[cinder cargo]

at least not optimal ones

[native sundial]

Who ? Perp ?

[wise whale]

no perp f2p i meant jd

[solemn sage]

even with trash golds better off doing single gold + two purple/blue

[cinder cargo]

I think should be golds = max pity level

[solemn sage]

until level 2

[native sundial]

Ah jd

[cinder cargo]

so when lv 1, use 1

[solemn sage]

yea

[cinder cargo]

when lv 2, use 2

etc.

[thin ermine]

yeah thats what my plan is

[wise whale]

farara

[native sundial]

Whalrara

[thin ermine]

first 20 runs gonna be L totem w. purple/blue or 2 blue

[solemn sage]

but yeah JD idk what you're doing wrong

[restive goblet]

The first 20 golds should probably be used together though

[solemn sage]

but this is floor 4

[thin ermine]

together?

[cinder cargo]

sometimes rng just sucks

[restive goblet]

Like 3 at a time

[solemn sage]

MP, atk, IS, diss, CDA all potentially swappable stats

[cinder cargo]

no joke

I scroll down

all like full eroson and LL

[wise whale]

[native sundial]

I think ghoulish “eyes” are nerfed

[cinder cargo]

I guess I'll take a L CDR??

[solemn sage]

but also you just usually don't get legendary/mythic stats to use in a swap

until way later

[cinder cargo]

no I mean like floor 7 swap

[restive goblet]

Better to make 7 good collections than 20 bad ones when you’re on the way to explore buff lvl 1 still

[cinder cargo]

I do get CDA and stuff

[solemn sage]

by floor 7 I always have plenty of green/blue fodder

[cinder cargo]

but they are like yellow already

or like purple already

[native sundial]

But are u getting the swaps ? Or the upgrades ?

[cinder cargo]

I mean I can and do swap them, but would prefer a green one

[thin ermine]

id run the meh gold ones. they wont give me much good anyways.

[native sundial]

The “eyes” are nerfed

[solemn sage]

that's just pure RNG, sometimes I get a bunch of swaps sometimes I get none

[native sundial]

In the release of ghoulish there where like

2-3 per floor

Now you get floors like with 0

[solemn sage]

guess this is IS

[restive goblet]

They should just not give the altars at all until floor 6

They are so often wasted on lower floors

[native sundial]

[cinder cargo]

that's a nice one

keep keep keep

[native sundial]

Which mage uses is

[cinder cargo]

a lot of them

[native sundial]

Like ?

[cinder cargo]

super underrated stat for CR imo

like a lot of them

LDV, emi, oden, scarlet

[solemn sage]

see this run I'm getting nothing but rerolls and my only high tier stats aren't something I want to reroll

[cinder cargo]

which sounds like "only 4?"

but then there are only like 7 mages used at all that care about stats

[solemn sage]

plunder trash btw

[restive goblet]

Emilia and LDV are big ones

[cinder cargo]

diss

seems uselss to me

[solemn sage]

great for pvp

[cinder cargo]

you need to stop hacking sir

[native sundial]

[cinder cargo]

I get trash like all the time

that's actually not true

I get purples pretty often

[restive goblet]

[solemn sage]

also the yellow totem buffs are somewhat overrated

[native sundial]

Some Dis

[solemn sage]

well level 2/3 are okay

[cinder cargo]

ye

[solemn sage]

but they only come into effect if you don't already have that many mythics at the end of the run

[cinder cargo]

maybe L + blue is the way to go

like legit

use purples for getting lv 2 and 3 faster

because by the time we get to like 80 Ls used

we're gonna have a bucket load of 1-2M collections

having a better 1 M collection not gonna be that impressive

like does lava really need CDA

[native sundial]

I just used useless L with Epics and hoped for the swaps or tier ups … and i got some decent ones

[solemn sage]

so like in a swag run with supreme skillset, with level 2, you're already guaranteed one mythic at the end from farewell gift

[old fog]

i had some atrocious collections this week

used a fair bit of L totems and got nothing good

[cinder cargo]

it's okay

all fodder anyways

you're literally burning them

[old fog]

went for a big lib collection with some L totems and got all legendary stats

[solemn sage]

all level 2 does in that case is give you a single mythic if you don't luck into a single one

[cinder cargo]

which is not bad

[solemn sage]

but if you do a swag run and get zero mythics it's already a fail

[cinder cargo]

especially since SWaG gives 4x chance for M to be +1 skill

a guaranteed skill is pretty worth

oh

[old fog]

i haven’t had a miracle worker in like 3 weeks

[cinder cargo]

lol

[old fog]

it’s pain

[cinder cargo]

wait nvm

[cinder cargo]

gz

I hope you love yellows

[solemn sage]

my one mythic from level 1

was def%

fuck that, this is a cc arti now

[cinder cargo]

tough

you should have used anyways

actually DEF % really does suck

[solemn sage]

might as well commit to the bit

def% on a mage arti pretty trash

it can be good on tank/warrior

[cinder cargo]

def just sucks in general

the stat is just trash

[solemn sage]

there's some tank/warrior abilities that scale with it at least

[cinder cargo]

true

[cinder cargo]

you sir need to stop hacking

[cinder cargo]

am I level 90 yet

[native sundial]

[solemn sage]

I might just yolo three triple yellow runs

[cinder cargo]

just crossed halfway

why is it so hard to level up

[solemn sage]

so I can do a swag run with the card as a backup and finally make a level 2

[cinder cargo]

just do L + blue

sure 1 M sucks

but if it's like IS/PRF/CDA or something it's good for sub dps

[native sundial]

So what do i do here ???

[cinder cargo]

your stat hungryu heroes will have better very soon anyways

[solemn sage]

I only have 4 runs left this week, need to use 8 yellows in 3 runs in order to have that skillup card on my 4th run

[cinder cargo]

stop hacking

I'd do sust combo run

you don't have sust

[native sundial]

Im noooot

[cinder cargo]

so just save

[solemn sage]

but yeah I should just wait for next week so I can have level 2 on swag run

[cinder cargo]

^

[native sundial]

I will draw for Wathalia

But

For wathalia

[cinder cargo]

why is ch59 just not getting nerfed

[native sundial]

Do i need the lvl ups ?

[cinder cargo]

lilith is discriminating against me

I'm canceling them

been stuck at 59-1 for a week now

[thin ermine]

cause no one pushing with u

convince peeps to push

[solemn sage]

thanks game, big money moves

[cinder cargo]

I blame @main abyss

he should be there to nerf enemies into ch55 levels

[thin ermine]

[restive goblet]

my OP collection rng

[cinder cargo]

[cinder cargo]

that's retty nice

the heck do I even go for

farara help me

[old fog]

i’ve got 5 spice, should i use all of them to get either owl or spooder to 9?

[cinder cargo]

[restive goblet]

I like how none of my shields have a single mythic stat

Oh wait the Shemira nevermind

[native sundial]

Idk how are guys doing that

[restive goblet]

I get like 10 altars in the first 5 floors while I only have purple stats

and then I just get some L stats in the next 5 floors

[old fog]

i got one of the altars where you can get same stat a rarity lower when all i had was greens yesterday

on floor 3

[native sundial]

Y happens

It sucks

[turbid scroll]

I think that I'll just go for baits on this event honestly

[solemn sage]

okay that totem really does give you a lot of full stats

[cinder cargo]

lol

[native sundial]

Or the one which says combine and you are floor 1

[turbid scroll]

As much as i like eugene I don't make enough guild coins to get his shards off the store

[restive goblet]

Was that M from pity?

[solemn sage]

nah, normal drop

[old fog]

i also got that one with 2 of green and blue and one epic

[solemn sage]

pity doesn't do anything if you have a mythic naturally

[cinder cargo]

so do I do combo runs now

what do you think perp

[native sundial]

Rly bad update

[old fog]

halp

[native sundial]

Remove it

[cinder cargo]

I want the opinion of a vip 19 player

[restive goblet]

The worst is when you get the triple combine and you have exactly 2 orange stats

[cinder cargo]

^

or save for lv 1

lv 2 is too far away

[tender arch]

soo uhh what to do?

[solemn sage]

I think combo runs are worse than just doing single stat + class totem

[old fog]

go to storm thingo

[cinder cargo]

that's what I mean by combo runs

stat + class

[native sundial]

Or when you are at floor 9 with mythic full errosion and full buffer and you pray for floor 10 swap but guessssss what ! No swap for you baby

[solemn sage]

oh I thought you meant two stat

[cinder cargo]

because it's legendary combo

oh

two stat actually conflicts

kinda

[solemn sage]

yeah

[native sundial]

If you solve thhis NASA will hire you

[tender arch]

solved

[cinder cargo]

ok copy pasta again

[tender arch]

[native sundial]

[cinder cargo]

1. SWaG (only after lv2)
2. L Combo runs (probably just straight away tbh)
3. Trash L run (straight away)
4. Blue run (to use up chances)

[native sundial]

[cinder cargo]

lowkey...

[native sundial]

https://tenor.com/view/dog-spaghetti-pasta-eating-pasta-day-gif-18431668

[cinder cargo]

trash L might be worth saving until lv 1

more so than combo runs

which is so stupid

[native sundial]

Copy pasta

[cinder cargo]

[native sundial]

Its italian

[cinder cargo]

that looks increibly bland and untasty

for the dog ig

[native sundial]

Its brocoly

[cinder cargo]

not trying to give it sodium overdose

[native sundial]

Its healthy

[cinder cargo]

ok I'm doing a combo run

[native sundial]

Gogoog

Gl

[cinder cargo]

here goes we go

[native sundial]

🤞🤞🤞

[cinder cargo]

my english has broken down

here we go

should I do oden or mehira

[native sundial]

What hero for ?

[cinder cargo]

no idea

generic sorc damage

[solemn sage]

any chance we ever get a might hero that's int

[cinder cargo]

we already have one

awthalia

[native sundial]

[cinder cargo]

but no, not worth the bet

I'll just do mehira

[native sundial]

Do mehira

[cinder cargo]

0 M

[solemn sage]

neat

[native sundial]

Show

[cinder cargo]

this game sucks

[solemn sage]

rerolled full HP into skill +1

[native sundial]

Perp

[native sundial]

How important is the +1?

[cinder cargo]

this game sucks

[solemn sage]

god these full stat totems really do just take over every other stat

[native sundial]

100 gems

[solemn sage]

really seems like they're way higher than 10%

[solemn sage]

depends on collection but in most cases it's pretty big upgrade

timeline +1 is mid

I'm proud to say I did all my collections this week without ever forgetting to quick battle

[restive goblet]

I wonder how the stat totems interact with drop chances. Like if every stat starts at 10% or w/e then does using two change it to 20/20/7.5/7.5/7.5 and so on? Or would it be 17/17/8.5/8.5/8.5… ?

Like does it just double the base chance and adjust all other drop rates to compensate, or do all the drop rates always change in tandem so you end up with 2x the other stats rates on both?

[native sundial]

So if i make one with +1 it will be better than@this ?

Thats on liberta btw

[cinder cargo]

combo run

floor 9

4 purples

no L or M

this game is so fun

just as I say that I get a M atk

[solemn sage]

it's pretty situational, +0 with great stats is probably better than +1 with nothing else good

but temporal cover without +1 is basically trash

[cinder cargo]

no L stats the entire run

[solemn sage]

luminous flight +1 is not super OP but it's good for pvp

[native sundial]

Like we need all of our artifacts to be +1+2 ?

[cinder cargo]

ok this game just sucks

[solemn sage]

support collections are annoying since you basically always want luminous flight for pvp but traders vault for most other things

so you gotta build so many

[cinder cargo]

blue run time

[old fog]

can i get an answer please peeps

[native sundial]

3 M minimun .. you will see

[solemn sage]

long long term that's the goal, but for non-whales that'll take years

[cinder cargo]

wait no I need more L totem burning

[true magnet]

What would be good pet options for this without reso 18?

[native sundial]

Y i aint doing that

Unless they let us equip both and choose what we wanna use

Or else im lost already with all these artis

[restive goblet]

Spooder or Vesperio maybe seal if you dont have a stall team or you’re not using it on dims

[true magnet]

Whoops thats supposed to be cruke

[cinder cargo]

ok

during random run

[native sundial]

3M ?

[cinder cargo]

2 M stats

lilith is trolling me

[native sundial]

Told you

Blue runs ftw

[cinder cargo]

@solemn sage

floor 10

[turbid scroll]

Collections always gonna be shit

[cinder cargo]

no PP stats

not a single one

[turbid scroll]

[solemn sage]

yeah I've done three ERR totem runs with zero ERR on any of them

[cinder cargo]

I guess I'll just take atk?

[turbid scroll]

I did a run the other day with 3 golden totems and nothing decent

[solemn sage]

lots of ERR on blue runs though

[cinder cargo]

no erosion either

[native sundial]

Collections are great BUT they shouldn’t touch em

[old fog]

[cinder cargo]

CDA not a good idea on cele hero right

[solemn sage]

I think this is where our difference of opinion comes from

[cinder cargo]

eh I'll just do atk

[solemn sage]

you fish for a single specific stat

I'm happy with a lot of different options

[cinder cargo]

I mean ye

[native sundial]

Best stats for Wathalia ?

[cinder cargo]

but some stats are better than others

[native sundial]

+2 PP attack ?

[cinder cargo]

ye that's good

[solemn sage]

I rate atk% very highly on collections since it's multiplicative

and it seems pretty common to me

[cinder cargo]

awthalia only needs +1 I think

with saurus

[native sundial]

What about Critical ?

[cinder cargo]

bad

[native sundial]

eRR ?

[cinder cargo]

ok

bad

PP atk is awesome

everything else is aight

[trail swift]

butter makes the best spaghet sauce

[solemn sage]

CDA is hero dependent, good if they have high crit chance

trash if not

[cinder cargo]

ye

[cinder cargo]

also good if they are in a crit buffing team

[native sundial]

PP CDA

[cinder cargo]

like rem actually not bad with CDA

because rosa

or like uh ... that's it

[native sundial]

Palmer loves CDA

[cinder cargo]

some team with skriath or queen

[native sundial]

Talene loves CDA

[solemn sage]

energy recovery rate is generally worse than straight damage on carries

[restive goblet]

Panda gives a lot of crit and benefits from building crit. Have to see how that works out

[solemn sage]

great for ult reliant heroes that arent' damage dealers though

[restive goblet]

M crit stat is like 12.5% or something each

[native sundial]

12,5 isnt bad

[cinder cargo]

do I go L full buffer

[restive goblet]

It’s 11.8 just checked

[cinder cargo]

or E full atk

for a carry

[solemn sage]

Buffer is pvp only stat imo

[cinder cargo]

cele

[solemn sage]

and not that good there either

[cinder cargo]

prf maybe?

for cele

E prf

do I just stack power for campaign

[native sundial]

My Bedo uses this

[cinder cargo]

I'm kinda down to just do that

actually nah, I'll just do full atk

[solemn sage]

not many of the meta celes have muhc benefit from IF/prf

[cinder cargo]

ye

I'll just full atk

[solemn sage]

I guess there's always the stun on the collection itself

[cinder cargo]

it's a +0 sand tidus one

so a little bit of bleed ig

[solemn sage]

I mean

[cinder cargo]

idk if 3% extra even does anything though

I'll just do full atk

[solemn sage]

tidus artifact is basically only useful on cc heroes

so you want is/prf there

[cinder cargo]

I'll use it for like kren or something

[restive goblet]

Pretty good for Naroko CR

[cinder cargo]

or do I pick a purple IS

hmm should I have taken a M IS

no not worth

[solemn sage]

I haven't built a single tidus artifact yet

just the free one

[cinder cargo]

mulan is pretty good with tidus

[native sundial]

Isnt IS good on pvp ?

[solemn sage]

IS only matters if the hero has cc

[cinder cargo]

ye I'll actually take blue IS

[solemn sage]

most of the meta rangers don't have any

[native sundial]

I meant for Naroko

[solemn sage]

people use naroko?

[native sundial]

They dont ?

[restive goblet]

[cinder cargo]

not nakoruru

naroko

[solemn sage]

oh

[cinder cargo]

worm girl

[native sundial]

[solemn sage]

my mind was in celerity mode

[native sundial]

Haha

[solemn sage]

worm girl is tank

[cinder cargo]

idk what to do

[solemn sage]

isn't mulan ult undodgeable?

[cinder cargo]

just more tasi and mehira ig?

[cinder cargo]

it makes them bleed

which does health loss

which is pretty good

[solemn sage]

yeah but don't need IS on it

prf maybe

[cinder cargo]

oh I did it for kren

[native sundial]

Mulan

[solemn sage]

I don't think prf extends knockups but should extend the bleed

[cinder cargo]

ye

I don't think 3% is gonna do anything though

it's probably not even 1 tick

[solemn sage]

yeah you need red/yellow

[native sundial]

What is prf actually ?

Like what heroes use it

[cinder cargo]

lol L on floor 2

[solemn sage]

prf is khazard SI

it extends duration of debuffs you apply

makes stuns/bleeds/debuffs last longer

[cinder cargo]

oh good IS run actually

[solemn sage]

I take IS way more than I should

[cinder cargo]

what the heck

I just got a bunch of L stats

[solemn sage]

got it on so many celerity artifacts

[native sundial]

Is this considered a good arti ?

[solemn sage]

it's good but if that IS was atk% or PP or something instead it'd be even better

[native sundial]

Ah i see

Mulan maybe can use IS ?

[cinder cargo]

uh

[solemn sage]

mulan can't be dodged so doesn't need IS

[cinder cargo]

what do I do perp

mage

[solemn sage]

you have no defensives

[cinder cargo]

just do stacklands with IS?

[cinder cargo]

ye

[solemn sage]

so reroll/swap into those if you can

[cinder cargo]

no it's the end

[native sundial]

Why the hell donyou have only attack ones

[cinder cargo]

rng

[solemn sage]

what kind of arti is it

[cinder cargo]

mehira

I'm gonna use on LDV probably

[solemn sage]

I'd do IS on mehira arti probably

[cinder cargo]

ye

ok

just stacklands with IS ig

oh I actually have defensive ones

that's just aggressive stats page

aight, 36 IS

what the heck is that lol

[native sundial]

Remind me how many copies for a woke A ?

12?

[cinder cargo]

26

[edgy pumice]

999999

[cinder cargo]

12

[native sundial]

18299109392020201

[edgy pumice]

69

[native sundial]

666

[solemn sage]

that's less IS than if you just got two mythics

collections too RNG

need more mythics

[cinder cargo]

ye

but then I feel like M IS is kinda a waste

[native sundial]

438 tgs for 10 copies can do ?

[edgy pumice]

No it’s not

[cinder cargo]

if you do get a bunch of M stats, you'd want like MP or something

[edgy pumice]

No can do

[cinder cargo]

risky

but possible

[edgy pumice]

Not on cc heroes dumbo

[solemn sage]

on a mage collection having two IS + two PRF would be pretty sweet though

if all mythic

[cinder cargo]

ye

but like

that's some 8M tier collection

again feels like antimatter dimension glyphs

except you can't just farm them

what the heck is this

I was going for a full erosion build

and then game hits me with M buffer and M full atk

on a mage arti

which one should I duplicate?

[solemn sage]

my 4 erosion might arti was on a full blue run

[cinder cargo]

full atk right

what

4 erosion might?

[solemn sage]

you've seen it before

[cinder cargo]

oh abrutus

[native sundial]

What the hell

[cinder cargo]

but then you want saurus on abrutus

that's just weird

[native sundial]

Ah

Brutus use ero ?

[cinder cargo]

mhm

[solemn sage]

he's the only might hero that does, but it's not a big part of his kit

[cinder cargo]

it's actually his main source of damage weirdly enough

when you use his SP ofc

if you don't, he doesn't really do damage anyways

[solemn sage]

these days you usually don't use his SP

too many wokes

[cinder cargo]

I mean his comps all don't have other wokes

apart from my weird r5 NC

[native sundial]

I had this on Liberta now i use it on Merlin .. cuz i read somewhere that his skill 3 can use errosion ?

[solemn sage]

well really these days you usually just don't use abrutus

[cinder cargo]

I still use him quite a lot

like everywhere

[solemn sage]

you're f2p

[cinder cargo]

ye

oh but for you ig

[native sundial]

Perp

Do Merlin use errosion ?

[solemn sage]

abrutus is used in NC and a couple CR buffs

and one TS buff

[solemn sage]

yes

[cinder cargo]

I got another M

M full buffer

[native sundial]

Not bad

Not good

[cinder cargo]

this is just weird now

what do I even choose

I'm back to full aggro stats

[native sundial]

Show

[cinder cargo]

what should i go for

[solemn sage]

lose health = benefits from erosion

[cinder cargo]

erosion since I already have two?

[native sundial]

Attack errosio is

F attac

[cinder cargo]

I can only use 4 atk ones

[restive goblet]

average is supposed to be like 40ish so decent chance you get it but definitely not guaranteed

[cinder cargo]

so probably full atk, + other stuff

lol

weird collection with a bunch of mythics

[native sundial]

What arti is it

[cinder cargo]

mehira

[native sundial]

For Emi

[cinder cargo]

so IS?

[native sundial]

Atack

Is

Errosion

[cinder cargo]

I already have a stacked erosion one

[native sundial]

f atack

[cinder cargo]

I can only swap one sir

[native sundial]

Aaaah its a swap

[cinder cargo]

combine would be perfect

but no combine sadly

[native sundial]

I say attack

Over is

[cinder cargo]

atk?

not IS?

[cinder cargo]

or erosion?

I think she needs IS

no joke

[native sundial]

Idk

[restive goblet]

Atk over erosion almost always I think

[native sundial]

I just follow this guide

[restive goblet]

Since any erosion damage will scale off atk anyway

[native sundial]

Farara gave it to me

[cinder cargo]

it's the neuromancer guide ye

[solemn sage]

erosion is massive on emilia

[restive goblet]

The damage formula scales faster than linearly with atk too

How much erosion does the m stat give?

[cinder cargo]

or IS?

[solemn sage]

but yes atk% is basically same as erosion for her

[cinder cargo]

I am getting IS dupe for emi

furn dupe

do I just skip the IS?

[polar dune]

Insight is good

If you have slot

[cinder cargo]

this is so hard

[cinder cargo]

mehira collec

I have a swap rn

what do you think

[polar dune]

[solemn sage]

15.7% erosion vs 7.92% attack, so double

[polar dune]

Oh mehira collection

[cinder cargo]

maybe 2 swaps, there's another altar thing on the same floor

[polar dune]

CR focus or what jd

[cinder cargo]

I also already have a max erosion build

[cinder cargo]

probably yes

[solemn sage]

for emilia, M erosion > M attack > L erosion

[cinder cargo]

TS idk

f2p might be dead after this patch

what about IS

[polar dune]

Full attack

[cinder cargo]

for TS and CR

???

[polar dune]

For Cr

[cinder cargo]

legit?

[polar dune]

Yeah

[cinder cargo]

this is also my biggest sorc collec

though ig a bunch of full atk will be good for meta proofing

[solemn sage]

I'm not sure if frost is dodgeable, IS might be good if it is

PRF would also be good

[cinder cargo]

it is I'm pretty sure

freezes are all TY-able

[polar dune]

Thats why you don’t build for a specific jd

[cinder cargo]

I can't do PRF

[polar dune]

You get all the mythic and decide who its for at the end

[native sundial]

Im off to bed

[solemn sage]

he is at the end

[cinder cargo]

ye

[native sundial]

Good luck Jd

[cinder cargo]

oops wrong comment

[polar dune]

If he want to build for emilia

Full attack

[cinder cargo]

[native sundial]

Gn guys

[cinder cargo]

is that not a waste though

emi does a fair bit of damage herself too

also might want IS

[solemn sage]

it's mode dependent

[cinder cargo]

you know more than me though

[solemn sage]

flaw is CR pilled

[polar dune]

Full attack , insight , proficient and mp

[solemn sage]

for TS, especially ice, erosion/IS are best

[cinder cargo]

I might need IS

idk

[polar dune]

Yep

[cinder cargo]

this is so hard

[polar dune]

For CR however your dmg aint coming from emilia

Its coming from your fat dong seal

And full atk make fat dong seal stronger

[cinder cargo]

so full atk also useless then

wait pet counts as a buff target?

[polar dune]

Apprently so

[cinder cargo]

what about IS for CR

[polar dune]

Yes

[cinder cargo]

to freeze them more

[polar dune]

This is an emilia cr

Build

[cinder cargo]

so do I get IS or full atk

[polar dune]

Tested by multiple t50s ami member jd

[cinder cargo]

I have 1 full atk

[polar dune]

We aint fking around when it come cr

[cinder cargo]

ye ik

[polar dune]

[cinder cargo]

but I have to choose one

[polar dune]

Its prio

[cinder cargo]

oh this is a swap btw

I can swap for any stat

that's not PRF

or MP

[polar dune]

can swap more full atk in

Otherwise its descending prio order

[cinder cargo]

not IS?

[polar dune]

1 - full atk , 2 insight etc.

[solemn sage]

JD is f2p he can't really build multiple sets for both CR and TS yet

just do IS it's good in both

[polar dune]

Yep

[cinder cargo]

ok

[solemn sage]

get rid of that buffer trash

[cinder cargo]

swap full buffer right

buffer?

[solemn sage]

well

you want to get rid of both ideally

but yeah full buffer first

[cinder cargo]

ye

ok

I'll refresh the buffer

full erosion

[solemn sage]

not great but not awful

[polar dune]

Middle of the pack

[cinder cargo]

what else do I take from here

1 other stat

probably IS right?

prf not bad too

nor is full atk

[restive goblet]

for Emi?

[cinder cargo]

all good, hard to choose

[solemn sage]

lots of decent options

[cinder cargo]

probably

[polar dune]

No bad one

[restive goblet]

Atk or IS I think

[polar dune]

Can just coinflip it

[cinder cargo]

I'll just do IS probably

[solemn sage]

I'd probably do erosion or IS but I'm TS pilled

[polar dune]

can branch attack if u want to use it on another mage

[old fog]

flaw my pending purchases just came through after 3 months

randomly

[cinder cargo]

I can do without 0.6% atk

[cinder cargo]

hmm

[old fog]

$21.47

[cinder cargo]

other stats are too average I think

[restive goblet]

You have a regular atk not full

[polar dune]

Lth prob doing their rounds

[solemn sage]

yeah IS would be flexible to other heroes

[restive goblet]

It’s 3%

[polar dune]

For the new yewr

[old fog]

probably

[cinder cargo]

no like the other stats are too bad for an atk based mage

[polar dune]

If you want flexibility thats all

Otherwise just keep this on a cc mage

Like ldv would be okay with same stat

[restive goblet]

Every single hero has atk scaling

[cinder cargo]

ye

I might use on LDV honestly

[polar dune]

But I don’t think you are at a point where you put collection on ldv

[cinder cargo]

I do have a double M PRF for mage though

[polar dune]

[cinder cargo]

that I'm using on LDV atm

because who else lol

ig mehira too

hmm