we aren't getting any more free pulls after today iirc
#treasure-scramble
shy ferry
sour jay
yeah and it's stupid
shy ferry
I agree
sour jay
the rng already time gates collections so hard
lime zinc
There's 1 more day of 10 staff +1 run
sour jay
almost 0 staff income just makes it even worse
lime zinc
And then there's the quests but those will be along the way
mossy bridge
21 staffs a week!!! any staff shop buyers?
mossy bridge
staff gang
worthy rapids
we are getting 20 staffs/week for the next few months from rewards
for clearing floor 10
shy ferry
for real, that's like 9k diamonds to get 1 miracle worker
mossy bridge
i think its worth it for the spice progress
whatever the spices are called
the spice equivalent
shy ferry
I have farewell gift, miracle worker, ERR, and crit in my wishlist
What about you guys
mossy bridge
gift, worker, PP/DR, MP/DR
solemn sage
^
lime zinc
^
sour jay
v
lime zinc
Ass
gilded salmon
worthy rapids
mass
sour jay
I also wish for ass
shy ferry
I think err is legit
sour jay
73 floors tho, not bad
spice finch
sour jay
I'm still at 696
spice finch
are you rich now pizza
gilded salmon
oh shit I need to push hypo tower with trial
lime zinc
ASS is going to be the new 'attack speed supression' stat that lowers enemy AS on hit
gilded salmon
oh there is no hypo tower rip
sour jay
Rip
shy ferry
there was yesterday
sour jay
Tunaman got me to 2 teams and I got pcapped at like 360
worthy rapids
+1 dancer on awthalia doing work
shy ferry
how did you even beat 2 teams fights at all
lime zinc
ERR is situationally good, but not generically OP due to how small the numbers are
It's always decent though
gilded salmon
mae on one team lucretia the other
sour jay
I got scammed as fuck, I went to click the login event and the trial screen popped up that exact frame. I didn't even see the trial button, tunaman just went straight into my box
shy ferry
i'm kind of thinking of burning a farewell gift to get a +1 cover for rem, is that stupid
spice finch
its cause you like him very much
solemn sage
using farewell gift without miracle worker is stupid yes
worthy rapids
I got scammed as fuck, I went to click the login event and the trial screen popp...
i did that only once
lime zinc
I got scammed as fuck, I went to click the login event and the trial screen popp...
Were you saving him for hypo tower?
shy ferry
but +2 cover is meh isn't it
sour jay
No it popped day 1
lime zinc
Oh
sour jay
You know the prompt on day one that says a new trial hero is available
solemn sage
+2 cover is decent
lime zinc
Yeah
sour jay
But I was going to click the login event then that popped up and I hit the trial button instead
solemn sage
+1 is the important part but +2 is still an improvement
lime zinc
I was spam tapping to open shop and somehow I mistapped and did 1 SG on Lava 
solemn sage
and even if you don't get the +2, you get an extra stat slot on your +1 cover
lime zinc
+1 Cover on Rem sounds like a whale luxury anyway, at least for the first month or so
shy ferry
it's stupid to spend any good totems rn in my opinion
because they are going to add auto battle
so you don't want to risk losing any fights
worthy rapids
because they are going to add auto battle
yes, after you clear the whole thing 1000 times
same as lab
solemn sage
yeah you'll have to get all the "beat floor 10" quests done before we get auto battle
the more important reason not to use good totems yet is the improved mythic rate that's supposedly coming
shy ferry
given the rarity of good L totems that's probably a sacrifice that has to be made
lime zinc
Beat floor 10 quest stops at 100, so maybe after 100 wins
shy ferry
we have already done like 25
solemn sage
but that's not gonna be til january at earliest
shy ferry
waiting 2 months for something is common though like people who wait to build wokes
solemn sage
I'm a whale I want it now
lime zinc
It's 14 + 6 + 3 if you never failed
shy ferry
i am still using my SS totems because i have a ton of them
sour jay
I have 2 failures 
spice finch
i failed a few times too
shy ferry
+2 atha looks to be very good
lime zinc
I've had 3 or 4 fails total, 1 this week
solemn sage
I had one bad fail
shy ferry
but +2 seems most important for Rowan
solemn sage
and a couple final fight of floor 10 fails
shy ferry
even discounting full fails, it's bad to lose even a single fight
lime zinc
Well yeah duh
shy ferry
when auto battle is on the horizon
lime zinc
You won't have sweep unlocked after it releases regardless 
shy ferry
for f2p at least i think totems should be saved
solemn sage
I usually don't lose any fights
lime zinc
Oh for saving? I wouldn't use them even if sweep was available
Better to save for totem rework either way
shy ferry
i wonder if saving staffs should happen lol
solemn sage
Doesn't sound like saving staffs will matter
lime zinc
Regardless of the fact that they'll "contribute" after it's added
solemn sage
I don't think they're changing totems
Just making them add to some sort of mythic pity system
shy ferry
what if they add more totems lol
feral coral
Random bs > thoran cheese
lime zinc
They might add more eventually, but it doesn't seem like there's any this year
solemn sage
if the totems they add aren't as good as miracle worker+farewell gift then better to use staffs now
before pool gets diluted
shy ferry
would be a non factor for f2p
we have wishlist
and f2p not getting enough totems to pull past wishlist
solemn sage
legendary rate isn't that low
lime zinc
Ig staff saving would be for after getting wishlist totem
shy ferry
f2p not getting more than 30 a week
solemn sage
double legendary pulls happen often enough
lime zinc
I've only had a double once so far
sour jay
But the rate of the good ones seems lower
shy ferry
it seems like it is 30 avg
mossy bridge
my plan is roll for wishlist weekly and then save for now i think, at least until I run out of blues (which will never happen)
lime zinc
5.6% is a lot higher than other things yeah
lime zinc
Passive income will kinda go to 0 after freebies end
shy ferry
depends on frequency of starzone
mossy bridge
But the rate of the good ones seems lower
there are 2 good ones and 14 bad ones, so the real rates of pulling a good one is 1/144 or something 
and u need both
lime zinc
How often does totem wl reset anyway
solemn sage
weekly
lime zinc
Easy to just save after getting it then
lime zinc
What's wrong with a double
solemn sage
you only get wishlist for your first legendary of the week
golden lantern
finally got merlin from store ! he 209 where should i put him
solemn sage
second legendary is full random
golden lantern
instead of palmer? and where put palmer ?
golden lantern
you only get wishlist for your first legendary of the week
that is so shit
mossy bridge
saving until having enough staffs to get enough cards to do a swag run 
golden lantern
Palmer in burst probably lally
okii thanku
lime zinc
Oh I was looking at it totally differently, I was thinking "what's wrong with getting an extra random one"
golden lantern
instead of anasta?
lime zinc
But ig singles would save more staffs
solemn sage
if you're using up wishlist each week consistently then extra random one is fine
but if you're not then you'd rather save them
lime zinc
Yeah just depends on how much we actually get
golden lantern
this oki? and where to put jero also cause he is 309e30 now
sour jay
Linda
solemn sage
21 per week from shop if throwing diamonds away
sour jay
Kill ezizh
worthy rapids
this oki? and where to put jero also cause he is 309e30 now
vei back
sour jay
He sucks in green at e
lime zinc
He sucks in green at e
sour jay
Just died and give them the buff
worthy rapids
you want vei at full hp as long as possible
shy ferry
by the way how do engraving on hero swaps work with e4x nodes or otherwise partial engravings
golden lantern
you want vei at full hp as long as possible
icic
lime zinc
I don't even use Ez on AwBel for Green/Red at 30930
golden lantern
doing this
solemn sage
by the way how do engraving on hero swaps work with e4x nodes or otherwise parti...
the swapped hero gets the same partial engraves
lime zinc
Need the energy gen from something else in more matchups than the mirror
shy ferry
what if they don't have the same nodes
golden lantern
Just died and give them the buff
thanku joux
solemn sage
every hero has 5 minor nodes and 3 major
lime zinc
Just whatever matches the location ig
solemn sage
it's same location, not sure exactly how locations correspond for heroes of different factions
I don't remember how last swap worked
sour jay
The engraving reset should just refund all shards and cores tho
solemn sage
was it same faction only, or could you do cele for hypo?
sour jay
Could change faction
lime zinc
Was any celepo, any 4F, any AW
As the 3 groups
sour jay
Except linda
solemn sage
yeah I guess it doesn't matter for upcoming since it's just an engraving reset
lime zinc
Ah any AW from 2022
mossy bridge
what do i use the reset for if I dont wanna reset anything
solemn sage
Except linda
it was any hero before 2023
sour jay
Maybe we'll get diamonds for not doing it
solemn sage
all 2023 heroes were excluded
cinder cargo
solemn sage
not just linda
sour jay
They had that for the hero swap
cinder cargo
...
mossy bridge
why does it only have 6 stats 
sour jay
Why 6 stats?
fringe light
sour jay
Wtf jd
lime zinc
Maybe like 1/3rd of my runs got 0 M stats
solemn sage
imagine not having any e60s you want to reset
solemn sage
why does it only have 6 stats <:rakuhmm:849044246342533120>
because JD didn't scroll
lime zinc
I need an infinite use engrave reset 
sour jay
On my screen it shows all 7
solemn sage
We only did good investments
you don't have lucretia?
lime zinc
I'd pay extra dia to reset like 5 or more e60s
sour jay
Tiny phone
mossy bridge
my lucretia is only e30 i never went for her nodes, im too cheap
sour jay
you don't have lucretia?
E36, no reason to reset engraving
I'd hero swap her if I could
solemn sage
damn
people are new enough to not have e60 luc
I'm resetting my E80
loads of cores to spend
my only e80
lime zinc
The crazy part is how many people started after engravings or even beasts
sour jay
I quit just before engraving
Then started after beast
Missed the shit period of the game before they fixed those
lime zinc
Oh ig engrave was pretty long ago
mossy bridge
i am 6 months old in the videogame
solemn sage
I started playing before SIs
sour jay
I have 320 days on my new acc
lime zinc
s1x realizing he is old
I can't realise it if dementia gets me first
sour jay
Not many old players left
earnest tendon
I can't realise it if dementia gets me first <:khasosrun:753008852093501440>
dont worry ill keep u reminded with my reliable memory 
earnest tendon
Who are you <:treznorsweat:1077750775536680980>
mossy bridge
When is furn being released?
guys I finally have 300 red chests after 8 months, should I si30 shemira or saurus?
lime zinc
Rowan first
earnest tendon
would u ever consider doing shem30 at that time when saurus was around
or saurus that old
lime zinc
I never got Shem SI30 or 9F myself
We were too poor + the effect was too weak
And most things didn't need max invest back then
solemn sage
shemira had two points where she was meta
earnest tendon
We were too poor + the effect was too weak
hah that didnt stop me
solemn sage
shemira earlygame start might've predated saurus
worthy rapids
i didnt build shemira even when she was the goat cause i refuged to use meta
solemn sage
but shemira for CR wasn't that long ago
lime zinc
Was way before Saurus
worthy rapids
shemira was waaaaaaaaaay before saurus
solemn sage
pre-furniture
I mean yes shemira meta started before him
but it might not have gone away before he came out
lime zinc
Oh ig it's more because it took me so many months to build Saurus
earnest tendon
anyone remember the times where saveas was usable carry
worthy rapids
i remember times where he wasnt but people still recommended using him
earnest tendon
worthy rapids
kinda like lucy now
lime zinc
I remember when Thali released and people thought it'd be the revival of a Saveas style hero
earnest tendon
i remember times where he wasnt but people still recommended using him
why would u need to go that far back when we have ppl who still recco asolise first
feral coral
Remember when afk didn't exist? Those were fun times
earnest tendon
worthy rapids
yeah exping on bushes with a long stick, good times
earnest tendon
no cuz i was a lol player back then 
lime zinc
I can't remember that far back
unique palm
Who was here for bitizen ?
lime zinc
I should set 2020 pvp teams in TS after rank check
earnest tendon
solemn sage
tasi cycle
worthy rapids
tidus 5pull
lime zinc
Oh yeah when Eironn and Gwyn were both on burst
worthy rapids
imagine 7 teams back then
lime zinc
Look at that kraken tree 
terse heart
Talene in cycle was peak
feral coral
Look at that kraken tree <:badensweat:733092948433961031>
Bigger than @fair rapids's
restive goblet
Wasn’t it usually Nara instead of flora?
solemn sage
I don't remember
solemn sage
this was only image I could find in discord search that was from a whale
cinder cargo
thought he quit during engraveyard
cinder cargo
oh
just old picture ig
also
should I swap a mythic MP for erosion
it's literally an ass run for mage apart from the mythic MP
everything else is erosion stack
worthy rapids
emi: pick me!
cinder cargo
I was thinking to use it on lorsan
worthy rapids
free 80 kt floors stonks
cinder cargo
so having like 65 erosion perks > 1 random MP one
the defensive stats kinda suck
ye I'm gonna do it
worthy rapids
cinder cargo
if I get another mythic MP that just sucks
ok this is like the perfect lorsan collection
well obviously 5 mythic MP better, but
solemn sage
are you sure that erosion actually works on lorsan
cinder cargo
I mean why would it not 
worthy rapids
its not the lorsan doing dmg
solemn sage
could use the erosion of the person doing the damage
cinder cargo
also if it doesn't work I always have daemia to fall back on
cinder cargo
could use the erosion of the person doing the damage
the link counts as the damage source no?
solemn sage
I have no idea
cinder cargo
I also have literally no way to test it
solemn sage
this game is a mess of spaghetti code, especially for older heroes like lorsan
solemn sage
legendary PP on mage artifact
worthy rapids
It’s health loss damage
but its not lorsan thats doing the dmg
solemn sage
It’s health loss damage
yes but does lilith's code attribute the damage to lorsan correctly
solemn sage
I guess the main way to check would be damage reports
cinder cargo
I guess the main way to check would be damage reports
I checked them before
doesn't count as lorsan damage
solemn sage
I don't remember if lorsan has meaningful damage on reports
solid monolith
dont you love heavily math based artifact building system when its very hard-to-impossible to actually test them
restive goblet
Battle reports are also ass though
thorny tartan
Actually sweating bullets right now 
solemn sage
dont you love heavily math based artifact building system when its very hard-to-...
and the system made the only person willing to comprehensively test stuff quit the game
cinder cargo
nice lorsan maxed as my carry
wise whale
radiant grotto
and the system made the only person willing to comprehensively test stuff quit t...
Who, perp? So many quit
solemn sage
Who, perp? So many quit <:treznorsweat:1077750775536680980>
Bob
solid monolith
bob
wise whale
radiant grotto
wait wait wait
wise whale
Next e30/60?
radiant grotto
Bob also quit?
feral coral
Yes
wise whale
Bob also quit? <:WAAAHsos:646205552493592586>
Yes
solemn sage
feral coral
When utak quits its over
thorny tartan
When utak quits its over <:khasosrun:753008852093501440>
Did you take bobs acc?
solid monolith
act like you belong
cinder cargo
why are my purple runs always ass rng
I blame @solid monolith
did 4 mage collec runs
none of them are any good
:yhype:
solemn sage
could be worse
solid monolith
solemn sage
you could do three swag runs and get zero +2s
solemn sage
because this is my life now
feral coral
Did you take bobs acc? <:rakuhmm:849044246342533120>
If I'm gonna take every account that's owner has quit I'd have way too many accounts
thorny tartan
solid monolith
he said he would considering staying around to test stuff still
solemn sage
I've done all of the 23 runs we've gotten
cinder cargo
same
still heron
Bob left us ?
solemn sage
plus 14 runs on my test server account
cinder cargo
ye
meager dust
I can put his account on my automatic dailies running server if people wanna keep it running
cinder cargo
it's pretty tragic
still heron
solemn sage
of those 37 runs, 3 were swag runs and like 4 others had supreme skillset
meager dust
My defnitely not fully automated server** forgot where I was 
solid monolith
Bob left us ?
yeah he left because you kept asking about gabe, it was a really weird reason but i support him in his endeavor
cinder cargo
bob is probably the best thing that has happened to this community
cinder cargo
aside from cramming guide ofc, cramming is best thing
still heron
yeah he left because you kept asking about gabe, it was a really weird reason bu...
U could unban gabe 
solemn sage
just doesn't want to actively play anymore?
cinder cargo
and it's not from any of my 4 skillset runs
which is so fun
they should downgrade level up to legendary
and have mythic be lv up x2
would make the rng a lot more tolerable
so then at least you can have some +2 collections per week
(which like honestly 1 per week isn't that much at all)
I'll put that in #classic-suggestions
solemn sage
radiant grotto
why does this sound like a true story
seen this today
Finally pulled enough totems to try for a +2 collection!
Aaaaaaaand the game fucked me. First loss since I started doing runs. No unit upgrades for ages, four traps that did minus invisibility, and two Torne + Isabel rounds in a row, which apparently countered the team I did manage to put together.I'm pissed, but I laughed. Of course it was the run I burned my good totems. Of course. Not like I've been looking forward to this all week or anything.
still heron
radiant grotto
Same, Nnoi 
Also, Celestial Isles will have a legendary totem today but the price is hilarious
radiant grotto
yeeeah
mossy bridge
actual dogshit just give us staffs
radiant grotto
120 tokens for a random legendary, limited to one purchase too 
cinder cargo
seen this today <:tiduslaugh:753009905065000960>
> **Finally pulled enough tote...
... and why would they even think about using their swag run before sweep comes out
radiant grotto
what were they even thinking
cinder cargo
solemn sage
... and why would they even think about using their swag run before sweep comes ...
I used 3
they all were flawless runs
still no +2s though
golden lantern
what arti is for alyca
thorny tartan
Wait whats this
cinder cargo
armor probably
radiant grotto
Wait whats this <:rakuhmm:849044246342533120>
celestial isles
spice finch
what arti is for alyca
ALALALYLLYLYLALALALYLY
cinder cargo
Wait whats this <:rakuhmm:849044246342533120>
tile event
golden lantern
ALALALYLLYLYLALALALYLY
CELELELELELOOOLELWZZ
thorny tartan
No thats tiles
cinder cargo
oh
solemn sage
what arti is for alyca
Judgement Armor (athalia) is best for most cele heroes
radiant grotto
oh yeah, that's the other one
I feel that both are skins
golden lantern
Judgement Armor (athalia) is best for most cele heroes
thanku
radiant grotto
restive goblet
Torne is probably the scariest enemy for me on floor 10 if I have ass units
golden lantern
armor probably
tyty
restive goblet
he times out a lot
cinder cargo
Torne is probably the scariest enemy for me on floor 10 if I have ass units
have you tried not getting ass units
radiant grotto
JD 
cinder cargo
I heard that helps you win
restive goblet
most of the time 
cinder cargo
radiant grotto
cinder cargo
I've only had 2 runs that are actually good out of the 23
restive goblet
but if you don’t have ass units then nothing is that scary on floor 10
some of the upgrades are so op lol
the charm one
cinder cargo
which is... I guess less than optimal, but not too bad
restive goblet
and the everybody starts with 600 energy one
cinder cargo
and the web
lime zinc
I've found that if I don't look at the enemy team it can't scare me, so I mash skip and win 
cinder cargo
those three are basically insta win
solemn sage
all that really matters is you get hero upgrades
cinder cargo
^
solemn sage
pretty much any team can win if you have 2-3 5* e80 heroes
cinder cargo
as long as it doesn't give you all new heroes
lofty silo
pretty much any team can win if you have 2-3 5* e80 heroes
this true
except u can time out without a hyper carry
restive goblet
I had raine and fawkes as my e80s
solemn sage
oh yeah let me see how TS is going
restive goblet
and they timed out vs torne
still heron
Is ts over ?
gilded salmon
no
solemn sage
lofty silo
TS is simple, fully load ur teams with collection, win because other people didn't
restive goblet
TS is simple, fully load ur teams with collection, win because other people didn...
cinder cargo
at least something is going good for you 
solemn sage
the trick is to end first exploration with last month's teams
cinder cargo
TS is simple, fully load ur teams with collection, win because other people didn...
honestly I feel this a lot
lofty silo
solemn sage
then you jump a lot in second exploration
and also don't have anyone copying your teams
cinder cargo
also a lot of people just didn't care/like/want to support collections
cinder cargo
I'm only missing one
ok but you also have by far the best collection rng I've ever heard of
lofty silo
I don't mind them being lazy
lofty silo
ok but you also have by far the best collection rng I've ever heard of
I have so many shit ones, I have like 3-4 decent
cinder cargo
like it's actually not even close
still heron
Btw does anyone know whats the max attempts we can get from ghoulish gallery?
solemn sage
I'm only missing one
I haven't bothered with them on a lot of my TS heroes
cinder cargo
Btw does anyone know whats the max attempts we can get from ghoulish gallery?
23 as of rn
lofty silo
the more screenshot I see, the more I think my collection suck
solemn sage
just the main carries
cinder cargo
the more screenshot I see, the more I think my collection suck
I think most people have 1-2 decent ones
still heron
23 as of rn
Ur at 23 ?
cinder cargo
23 in total as of today
solemn sage
Btw does anyone know whats the max attempts we can get from ghoulish gallery?
7 last week, 7 this week, 9 from mail
lofty silo
I haven't bothered with them on a lot of my TS heroes
I started with TS heroes, I didn't really get better score in CR... round 1 couldn't work and it was getting expensive
NC I got 56 sadly
cinder cargo
I dropped so hard in CR
lofty silo
but I just went with TS heroes, but I didn't get more collection than others so everyone can do it
still heron
Tyvm guys
lofty silo
I got 6,8%, was under 5% before sleep
restive goblet
I got a red card from NC this week for the first time in like 6months 
still heron
I dropped so hard in CR
So some runs trust
lofty silo
this video is legit
cinder cargo
oh really?
solemn sage
Ur at 23 ?
you can't have 23 at once
cinder cargo
nice to see legit guide for once on youtube
solemn sage
at weekly reset you go up to 7 if you have less than 7
still heron
you can't have 23 at once
Im at 4 rn
solemn sage
but if you're at or above 7 you get none from weekly reset
cinder cargo
Ur at 23 ?
if you didn't use your attempts, they expire
still heron
Was just curious
lofty silo
we got 10 free, plus 14, plus 6-7 daily = 3 extra today
solemn sage
if you didn't use your attempts, they expire
they don't expire, but you miss out on your weekly
cinder cargo
oh
that's basically the same thing
no reason not to do it all before CR/NC/TS anyways
lofty silo
so we can have over 30 collections right now
solemn sage
that's basically the same thing <:treznorsweat:1077750775536680980>
expire would drop you down to 7 at weekly reset
if you had more
cinder cargo
you'd just be nerfing yourself
lofty silo
no reason not to do it all before CR/NC/TS anyways
me wants to try hard in TS
lofty silo
I'm 34 pts away from the top of the bracket, that's a sad point to be at the end. rank 8 at 10 fights left
maybe my first top 10
I'm 26 pts ahead of 10th right now, which is nothing in TS
lofty silo
I really want to be commander
cinder cargo
commander ye
still heron
they should ban people from using e80s in TS
Its not unfair my only E80+ is Lucretia
solemn sage
oh you also get treasure vanguard
not until day 10
lofty silo
it's no value, but I enjoy that
cinder cargo
I really want to be commander
ok I'll talk to insiders at lilith to drop you to rank 21
solemn sage
it's no value, but I enjoy that
it is value
lofty silo
well once I got 21st, even with 20th
solemn sage
you get more diamonds as a commander
cinder cargo
you get frame
solemn sage
commanders can get more of the treasure bonds
lofty silo
true
solemn sage
which turn into diamonds at the end
cinder cargo
you get more diamonds as a commander
I'm sure all the treasure commanders really need the 500 extra diamonds
lofty silo
I try to end 20th in TS now, got 20th at the end of the last 2 TS
solemn sage
I'm sure all the treasure commanders really need the 500 extra diamonds
isn't it like 2k more from extra treasure bonds
if you end as rank 1
lofty silo
well I need those diamonds
cinder cargo
honestly this game is kinda a tragic reflection of reality
lofty silo
how do you think I can keep up
restive goblet
so we can have over 30 collections right now
I’ve got 30 collections (including the quest ones) and 3 attempts left, so yeah it’s 33
cinder cargo
rich get richer, poor get poorer, rich get stuff they don't actually need, poor can only watch
lofty silo
I’ve got 30 collections (including the quest ones) and 3 attempts left, so yeah ...
yay I got it right! xD
lofty silo
rich get richer, poor get poorer, rich get stuff they don't actually need, poor ...
100%, in AFK once you get ahead, you can ride the wave
That's how I keep up
cinder cargo
until rng screws you over
solemn sage
100%, in AFK once you get ahead, you can ride the wave
until new systems come out
lofty silo
well yeah, my account is blessed
cinder cargo
and you need to whale more to stay on top
solemn sage
then you gotta start whaling again
still heron
rich get richer, poor get poorer, rich get stuff they don't actually need, poor ...
There some really smart f2poor's
cinder cargo
I'm kinda glad this new system big time closes gap between f2p and kraken
still heron
Like @ebon flare
lofty silo
well for pets I mostly got noble and like 20$ during some events. not massive whaling, but a couple bucks
solemn sage
I'm kinda glad this new system big time closes gap between f2p and kraken
???
krakens can do swag runs every time
lofty silo
for scrolls I got the perk because it seems good once
cinder cargo
it's all rng
cinder cargo
krakens can do swag runs every time
they don't though
lofty silo
The more you roll the dices, the more chance you take at getting something good
cinder cargo
plus imo +2 isn't actually as important as massive +stats
solemn sage
they don't though
you think this is a f2p artifact
lofty silo
if on average u need 10 runs for a good +2, then it will take 2 weeks for a kraken and 3 months for a f2p
cinder cargo
that's just a lucky swag one
cinder cargo
I don't think that's true
lofty silo
while for us its once per week maybe?
cinder cargo
they do get better rng chances
restive goblet
you think this is a f2p artifact
cinder cargo
but like they are krakens after all
still heron
you think this is a f2p artifact
Robo ?
restive goblet
those 10% chance to double procs are insane if you pull reds
cinder cargo
the amount of benefit they actually get from krakening is way less than other powercreep
solemn sage
I mean long term yeah
lofty silo
they said in a few patches they will add something to yellow totems to have better rates on abilities
cinder cargo
you take some powercreep like engraving
having full shiny is >>>>>>>>> having a few more swag artifacts
relatively speaking
solemn sage
long term f2p can get strong collections on the important heroes eventually
and move them around as meta changes
but short term krakens have big advantage
cinder cargo
the stats also makes previous kraken investments like e8x super diluted
since all stats have saturation value loss
solemn sage
the fact that you can move them is the big thing making them way more f2p friendly
restive goblet
they said in a few patches they will add something to yellow totems to have bett...
Won’t that just make it easier for krakens to make perfect collections since they have lots of yellow totems
cinder cargo
the fact that you can move them is the big thing making them way more f2p friend...
that is true
solemn sage
other systems require constant re-investment as meta changes
cinder cargo
Won’t that just make it easier for krakens to make perfect collections since the...
yes, but perfect isn't that much better than pretty good
cinder cargo
other systems require constant re-investment as meta changes
this one does too
solemn sage
though I'm sure we'll also get new collections that make old ones obsolete at some point
cinder cargo
especially when new collections come out
restive goblet
The way it is now krakens still have to get lucky because they’re limited on runs and the gold totems have low rates
lofty silo
Won’t that just make it easier for krakens to make perfect collections since the...
yes, but the collection thing is the worst for kraken. They get better odds, but let say (random numbers) kraken get 80% extra power from engraving than a normal player, then with collection, they can get like 30% extra power
cinder cargo
and different class artifacts are needed on differentheroes
lofty silo
the relative impact is smaller for people that can usually just max stuff
cinder cargo
you'd need like 50-60 really good ones if you want to actually be meta change proof
lofty silo
you can never "max" your collection
cinder cargo
and then a new set of collections drop and you're back to square 1
cinder cargo
you can never "max" your collection
you can actually
solemn sage
I mean a pierce/atk/dmg resist/HP artifact will always be relevant on pretty much every carry
cinder cargo
solemn sage
might not be optimal stats but it'll always be good
cinder cargo
not if the collection skill sucks
lofty silo
well, once you have 1 perfect collection per mode, so like 3-4 per heroes
cinder cargo
say they make like bert link passive be a +2 support collec
lofty silo
Hmm yummy
cinder cargo
then all the perfect rng runs you got before all go to waste
lofty silo
if you don'T expect old shit to go to waste, don't play a gacha
ainz says hello
many nubs got him e60
cinder cargo
...
solemn sage
I mean yes collections might become somewhat obsolete
restive goblet
I feel like beasts are actually turning out to be one of the most f2p friendly systems in the game
F2P gonna be hitting reso 18 in the next few months and it’s future proof
solemn sage
but compared to other systems
lofty silo
you will always have another hero with a worst collection to put it on
lofty silo
so your current best collection will be useable for a long time
cinder cargo
instead of sig, furn, engraving
I guess pet falls under RC
since we get reso
it's just a shame that reso doesn't extend beyond 18
solemn sage
when your collection gets powercrept, you're still gaining its benefits just not as good as newer collection benefits
lofty silo
I wish they would have systems like RC and tree more
RC and Tree also have resources that become 0 value once they are maxed
cinder cargo
RC and Tree also have resources that become 0 value once they are maxed
wdym 0 value
you can uh.... look at them
lofty silo
juice value become 0 on a max tree
lofty silo
you don't need it
restive goblet
it's just a shame that reso doesn't extend beyond 18
Imagine if every new hero you put in the crystal got e60 automatically
cinder cargo
big value
cinder cargo
honestly though I can see that being a decent value thing for krakens
cinder cargo
Imagine if every new hero you put in the crystal got e60 automatically <:tidusla...
ikr
I wish they had reso for more things
and just release more powercreeps
solemn sage
I'm getting close to having juice in my bag to look at
cinder cargo
they should release hero reso
after you get 100 5* heroes just insta 5* all new heroes
lofty silo
I'm getting close to having juice in my bag to look at
I'm like 45 levels away
cinder cargo
I'm getting close to having juice in my bag to look at
weirdly enough I'm in a very similar spot
just 20 levels lower than you for everything
ebon flare
Like <@310577881803784202> <:solisestrawberry:849041002454450176>
why'd I get pinged?
cinder cargo
but trunk also 20 levels lower
cinder cargo
solemn sage
yeah perp is big whale
I'm old
cinder cargo
small trunk
lofty silo
I got 1080 days this week
cinder cargo
I think mine is like 173
still heron
There some really smart f2poor's
Coz ur smort @ebon flare
solemn sage
I've had nearly five years to 5* all 4F heroes and ascend most celepos
cinder cargo
also in case people are wondering why collection pushed them like a whole chapter
solemn sage
almost done 5* challenger store heroes
lofty silo
it'S huge power increase
restive goblet
cinder cargo
this kraken
restive goblet
Both parts of this are surprising/confusing
solemn sage
lime zinc
ch57-12 to ch57-24 is literally 2 levels of difference for enemies
That's nthing
cinder cargo
That's n<:homegalul:646471490560196609>thing
ye
idk why
I mean I take it
makes old f2ps like me look bigger than we actually are
solemn sage
20% winrate against ezio because I always lose the mirror
solemn sage
my opponents all have bigger wokes
lime zinc
Mirror vs AwLyca or just in general
lofty silo
My ezio better
solemn sage
Mirror vs AwLyca or just in general
this is a typical mirror for me
lime zinc
Ah
cinder cargo
this is a typical mirror for me
restive goblet
cinder cargo
I mean
it's impressive you are that high with your competition
should be proud of that
solemn sage
cinder cargo
ah yes
lime zinc
Close fight
cinder cargo
casual 2 star eyes frame flex
lofty silo
Perp server still has a ton of big accounts
cinder cargo
ebon flare
@cinder cargo how much difference have collections made for you in TS? Throwing some half-decent ones onto my TS units pushed me from T45 to T30 already
solemn sage
Perp server still has a ton of big accounts
nah
native sundial
solemn sage
most regions the whole top 20 is mostly e80s
cinder cargo
<@449904927209422869> how much difference have collections made for you in TS? T...
I don't really feel it honestly
lofty silo
@cinder cargo its possible to beat those big full stars line up, but not mirror matches lol
solemn sage
my region it's just top 5-10
cinder cargo
there is actually no way
still heron
<@449904927209422869> how much difference have collections made for you in TS? T...
Thats why ur smort
cinder cargo
but what the heck are they doing
native sundial
there is actually no way
Not mine
cinder cargo
heal on awthalia???
lofty silo
most regions the whole top 20 is mostly e80s
maybe up to region 14-15?
ebon flare
I don't really feel it honestly
this feels accurate to the experience of bigget accounts vs smaller accounts
lofty silo
I'm in region 30 and there is only a few with full silver stars
cinder cargo
but not TS
lime zinc
Yeah that
lofty silo
O_O
lime zinc
Can't notice it for TS but it helped the others
cinder cargo
but what does that do when ch61 takes like 80 RC levesl under max to clear
and there is no ch62
I wish there was just more campaign
little cairn
Great dmg trash defence
cinder cargo
so I can forget about all this player vs player rng cringe
lime zinc
I felt it in TS and not the rest
It's probably hard to notice in TS when I'm so much further behind compositionally
restive goblet
Awthalia does heal herself to full I don’t think heal is useless on her
lofty silo
Full Heal is actually op, it's extra hp on whole team and not extra heal
cinder cargo
and just stack campaign
solemn sage
little cairn
Full Heal is actually op, it's extra hp on whole team and not extra heal
Yeah full heal good
solemn sage
man people need to stop putting lavatune mid
lime zinc
Oh full heal is the full HP and it's wrong name, I forgot Farara told me this
little cairn
Heal is meh
restive goblet
Full Heal is actually op, it's extra hp on whole team and not extra heal
Oh it’s probably full health lol
and they made a typo or something
solemn sage
what's the difference
lavatune's small stage basically only hits P4 (and P1/P2 if they get pushed back)
lofty silo
yup
solemn sage
so you want your carry there
cinder cargo
oh
solemn sage
lavatune jumps there when he ults anyways
little cairn
lofty silo
but he'S the only guy in my team that stays behind
restive goblet
people are still traumatized from when yen and Mulan were both popular
lofty silo
my backline is aathalia, lava and ivan
restive goblet
carry in p4 sounds like blasphemy
lofty silo
p4 is like safest spot
solemn sage
people are still traumatized from when yen and Mulan were both popular
they're behind ashem anyways
lofty silo
you're a kraken
I lack olgath to be kraken
cinder cargo
oh
lime zinc
Lava does counter CCs too, but it's prob less important than stage positioning
lofty silo
haha no, found a replacement
cinder cargo
I wish I had asaf
solemn sage
(yes I was one of those lava mid people)
Did you follow lilith guide
restive goblet
Ashem stall is op too
cinder cargo
Did you follow lilith guide
no I just thought. lava made a stage where he was
so I was like
ye let's just do middle
solemn sage
lofty silo
big brain perp
cinder cargo
yeah but imagine reading
ebon flare
idk who lilith got to replace the old guide makers
were they ever good?
cinder cargo
can't be afk arena player
cinder cargo
were they ever good?
I mean
lime zinc
yeah but imagine reading
Meow in shambles
cinder cargo
they used to be from this community
ebon flare
ebon flare
they used to be from this community
ah fair
solemn sage
yeah but imagine reading
the main reason I make my hero summaries is because writing the skills down helps me figure them out
cinder cargo
but we had like bob and aimb to overlook stuff
ebon flare
true
cinder cargo
the main reason I make my hero summaries is because writing the skills down help...
that's smart
ebon flare
rip all the old guidemakers
restive goblet
they died?
ebon flare
Bob's retiring, Arkinz is gone, Bok's gone off the deep end, Redorb's been gone for ages, etc.
cinder cargo
and get a new guy that just writes down random on a piece of paper
lofty silo
too few people in ur bracket
cinder cargo
oh I'm actually climbing in TS
restive goblet
cinder cargo
what the heck
mossy bridge
lilith just decided to sack us
i made the new furn guide
terse heart
true
cinder cargo
<:WAAAHsos:646205552493592586> i made the new furn guide
lilith's official one?
terse heart
I wonder if i dropped out of top 10 yet
mossy bridge
lilith's official one?
oh sry I didnt read i thought u meant the guides here on discord
cinder cargo
oh
mossy bridge
lofty silo
I wonder if i dropped out of top 10 yet
I hope we don't!
cinder cargo
nah discord guides have always been good
terse heart
oh
cinder cargo
there's too much peer review going on for the guides to be bad
restive goblet
there's too much peer review going on for the guides to be bad
cinder cargo
at most it's mild
cinder cargo
ferrret kraken as always
terse heart
jeez you are op
my account is very overestimated
mossy bridge
yeah those official hero guides are actual dogshit. i remember seeing one when I was like a week into playing the game and thinking "nah this cant be right"
terse heart
especially by JD
lofty silo
your account is a lot bigger than ours
terse heart
look at these non 5 star celepos
terse heart
your account is a lot bigger than ours
the gap is probably not as big as you imagine
lofty silo
the gap is probably not as big as you imagine
I just imagine the thousands I'd need to put to even come close
you don't understand how far it is
solemn sage
look at these non 5 star celepos
rookie numbers
terse heart
How many champs do you have e60+
terse heart
rookie numbers
olgath gap
lofty silo
maybe 5, my highest is e68, (athane) then e67 (og talene) then e66 (belinda)
cinder cargo
lofty silo
oh i mean counting e60 too
2 sec, I'm doing a run on an alt and it's too fking good xD
wise whale
Thoughts
still heron
How many fights left until ts ends ?
terse heart
5 for me
still heron
Thx ferret
lofty silo
Which this was on my main
still heron
I dont wanna look
shy ferry
it's fucking absurd that i didn't get kicked out of t100 yet when i forgot to set my teams
look at this garbage
terse heart
big PP
mossy bridge
Which this was on my main
shy ferry
lofty silo
I'm 7th so far
shy ferry
please just make me drop to 1%
mossy bridge
im 21st rn
still heron
please just make me drop to 1%
Thats the real bnb attitude
shy ferry
i will be so mad if i fail t100 when i try hard with my teams but get t100 when i forget to set them
mossy bridge
i will be so mad if i fail t100 when i try hard with my teams but get t100 when ...
that just means u can improve at making teams
cinder cargo
lofty silo
@terse heart 38 e60
shy ferry
no, it means i got lucky with path and match up rng
terse heart
<@184396708468228106> 38 e60
🤯
cinder cargo
Huge
cinder cargo
So many krakens in this channel sheesh
mossy bridge
i dont even have 38 ascended heroes
lofty silo
I'm not @terse heart
shy ferry
also is it just me or is rift way fking easier this season
lofty silo
oops
shy ferry
i have been pushing max available floor every time with like 0 effort
lofty silo
terse heart
I'm not <@184396708468228106>
Nah I have more, but not a ton
lofty silo
@terse heart I'm vip 14 with 348k vip pts
solemn sage
I'm at 58 e60
cinder cargo
How close is that to 15?
cinder cargo
I'm at 58 e60
terse heart
I'm at 66 I think
cinder cargo
terse heart
kinda dissapointing
solemn sage
if I reset luc I'll have the cores for two more
lofty silo
How close is that to 15?
151990 from it, got vip 14 in july
terse heart
trueee
cinder cargo
Same
terse heart
and then I have 9 e80s (some of which have more than that) and 1 e100
cinder cargo
How many do I have
lime zinc
Same <:freshseirus:753008851695042600>
JD also reached vip 14 in July
cinder cargo
solemn sage
might e80 awthalia with my luc reset cores tbh
solemn sage
luc is my only e80
cinder cargo
That's good
terse heart
my e80+ champs, not proud of haelus, grez, and luc but the rest i do not regret
lofty silo
lmao
cinder cargo
What have you been doing with your money sir
solemn sage
abrutus and awthalia e70, olgath e65, the other 5 are e61-e62
terse heart
not spending it
cinder cargo
I guess not whaling cores
solemn sage
ah yes
cinder cargo
my e80+ champs, not proud of haelus, grez, and luc but the rest i do not regret
Who are you gonna reset
solemn sage
the classic AE twins
restive goblet
also is it just me or is rift way fking easier this season
Every floor up to 200 is just really easy if you have functional comps. I felt the difficulty spike slightly in the first few floors from 200-220 but then you get the seals and it’s significantly easier
solemn sage
mine's going down to 30 and staying there
lime zinc
also is it just me or is rift way fking easier this season
They removed the debuff from early floors
terse heart
it would look weird to have a 40/36 champ at e30
cinder cargo
I'll probably leave my at e30 as well
cinder cargo
Hypo tower can wait until more broken hypo to carry