treasure-scramble

[queen crystal]

I’m placed suspiciously high in NC at this stage

[thin ermine]

i think im going to use my last attempt to craft one for twins

[copper sphinx]

Sleep over game fararararararara

[thin ermine]

[thin ermine]

[copper sphinx]

[thin ermine]

yeah true. ill hit nc once for now and take a nap

tired

ty happy~

[copper sphinx]

Yeah much better, you'll also have fresh brain so easier to think about stuff / improving stuff

[thin ermine]

[copper sphinx]

[worthy rapids]

3rd run in a row without mythic

[copper sphinx]

I like our dms

I'm sorry about them

[thin ermine]

[sour jay]

that's me and celowz too

[worthy rapids]

stonks

[thin ermine]

i delete the chat and it refreshes

[copper sphinx]

Not keeping our super funny chat ?

[thin ermine]

i got too many in game chats sooo

[copper sphinx]

[thin ermine]

[copper sphinx]

Jk, I don't really chat in game other when people not in OS

[thin ermine]

i mean if theres anything i just ping u here. ingame chat is just messy

[copper sphinx]

Yeah same

I rarely use it, guild chat or choerry sometimes

[thin ermine]

[copper sphinx]

Basically vurkgrab because can't do it here

[thin ermine]

[copper sphinx]

@choerry @sterile zinc

You both better come back

[queen crystal]

did cheorry quit the game?

or just dc

[copper sphinx]

Just OS

[cinder cargo]

Why

[copper sphinx]

Maybe other discord but idk where he was

[cinder cargo]

Conflict with zappy?

[copper sphinx]

Taking a break I assume

[cinder cargo]

Oh OK

[copper sphinx]

No bappy all good

[cinder cargo]

Oh

[sour jay]

he left most/all afk discords

just taking discord break

[copper sphinx]

He's valid for that

Don't ask bappy to delete this one tho

[sour jay]

it should be deleted

[copper sphinx]

[mossy bridge]

Who do i annoy with pet questions now that choerry died

[sour jay]

ask hat

[mossy bridge]

[sour jay]

he killed choerry, so he must take on the burden

[mossy bridge]

Makes sense

[sour jay]

rip your account tho

[copper sphinx]

What kind of question

[mossy bridge]

[copper sphinx]

Basic answer, trick everything

[mossy bridge]

What to do after owl 18 and when to pop spices

I mean batteries

[copper sphinx]

Talis done

?

[sour jay]

new pet coming soon just hold on

since last one is garbage this one will be the next seal

[mossy bridge]

Ya im waiting still, still like 8 spice/copies off owl18

Noooo no More seals

[sour jay]

pet turns every hero into 4036e100 for 15 seconds

[copper sphinx]

Seal/Talis/Owl once done iirc spooder is pretty cool to have 18 ?

[gilded salmon]

Fox too

[sour jay]

lion is somewhere too but falling off fast

[gilded salmon]

I just want reso 18 already

[sour jay]

only like 280 ish days for me

[copper sphinx]

Yeah thought about fox too, personally like spooder/fox

Then lion I'd say

[gilded salmon]

I need like 3 more pets I think

[sour jay]

i thougth nerds already had it

[gilded salmon]

No

[tender arch]

what do i do for t5 should i run stall?

[copper sphinx]

How many pets is it for reso 18 ?

Forgot

[tender arch]

itll probably be some random shit otherwise lol

[gilded salmon]

8

[copper sphinx]

Damn, 1/8 done I guess

[gilded salmon]

I have 4 and enough spice for a 5th

[sour jay]

hmm I'm actually stuck in kt and not because of pcap

[copper sphinx]

Stall sounds better and if nothing ig Mishka Scarlett but it's pretty dead

[sour jay]

woke salad ass comp can't beat flora satrana arthur

[copper sphinx]

Damn joux having skill issues

Never expected to see that

[sour jay]

wym i'm not very good at this game

[copper sphinx]

I consider you good

[tender arch]

real

[sour jay]

i spent enough money to fix stupid

[tender arch]

reckon i could do smth like this for shits and giggles?

[thin ermine]

[wise whale]

Gonna finish simona si and e30 her so I can use her mby

[copper sphinx]

Ah fuck, 2 am, will end up low on sleep again

Good night friends

[glad plank]

this makes up for the 410 pulls for 8 lava copies.

[worthy rapids]

i feel your pain

[wise whale]

Gn happy

[glad plank]

how many cards did yours take?

[worthy rapids]

i stopped counting

got him to M+

[glad plank]

how is he in abel comp?

[worthy rapids]

idk abel suk

[glad plank]

lol true

[sour jay]

he does good in hypo comp or dims

mine not great but only +20

[glad plank]

hypo comp is a foreign language to me

[terse heart]

I'll give you a hint

its got some hypos in it

[thin ermine]

[glad plank]

How often do we get a free melodic gifts pull?

[sour jay]

never

only for spending $15 (or more for second record a day)

[glad plank]

oh do i get them from buying monthly card?

[sour jay]

yeah

[terse heart]

money can be spent anywhere as far as i know

[sour jay]

except AR

[glad plank]

when is the calc for it for cuz i bought the monthly like 5 days ago

[sour jay]

you should get it instantly

but I think all records get destroyed when the period ends, not sure how long that is but like a month or so

[glad plank]

hm i see. thanks

[sour jay]

so next time you buy it make sure you spend the record right away

[abstract storm]

@fair rapids 🥹

[worldly belfry]

i dropped to 1%

[wise whale]

[tender arch]

where do we find where our furn is now? its no longer in bag?

[thin ermine]

Here

[tender arch]

where?

[thin ermine]

i circled it...

[tender arch]

oh make it a colour that dosent blend in farararaararararara

[thin ermine]

its black

[tender arch]

exactly

so small too

[thin ermine]

[tender arch]

[thin ermine]

[wise whale]

[thin ermine]

no u

[tender arch]

i agree with farararararararara

[thin ermine]

@worthy rapids i got bad collection for twin. u want it?

lvl 8 vault

[tender arch]

twins? me plz

[thin ermine]

mine is 30960

[ocean flame]

is there any raku ts comp?

[tender arch]

i want collection. not details of your whaled twins

[thin ermine]

new region prob. check https://discord.com/channels/441477431501783060/1174747408916299786

[thin ermine]

my collection sux

[tender arch]

i dont have one for twins

[thin ermine]

i yolod it....

dont b like me

[tender arch]

i gotta do some more gg runs

[thin ermine]

good luck!

ill dm u w. some help

[ocean flame]

does the invade comp work without a brutus? new region so dont have much alternative yet

[thin ermine]

worth trying!

[ocean flame]

does estrilda and ginneas work with 0 investment?

[wise whale]

[thin ermine]

estrilda somewhat does. gin no

[ocean flame]

fereal work with 0 investment with ashem?

[thin ermine]

idk never tried

[terse heart]

Fereal probably doesnt work with full investment

[thin ermine]

[ocean flame]

does gear/artifacts/collection matter in ts?

[rare grove]

gear and collection yes

[maiden crag]

Does anyone have the english version of this image?

[tender arch]

thoughts?

[simple kernel]

well, it’s what ya got

[tender arch]

[simple kernel]

youll get absolutely obliterated by anyone with rem but its fiiine

[tender arch]

thats fine. i dont expect to get more then 5% on this team

but knowing my server ill probably get 10%+

region*

[tiny lily]

What are my odds of beating first place?

[sour jay]

if they have troll teams, doable

[simple kernel]

idk i ain’t good at ts, after all this time my ts ranking has only ever ended t100 like three times, feels like im either completely stagnant or slipping by like .1% while my cr ranks are constantly getting better

[tiny lily]

They aren’t but the guys not the best at copying good teams. Was only 1 rank below him in last ts

[tender arch]

ive never ever hit t100

[thin ermine]

At least CR is an uphill move. My ts is stagnant as well

[tender arch]

should i focus on cr perhaps?

my ts teams are constantly getting me t3% atm

[tiny lily]

Ideally pick units that overlap both

[tender arch]

oh of course

thats what im trying atm

[worthy rapids]

Am i drunk or hes straight up 400x more power?

[tender arch]

but its mostly ts focused atm

[simple kernel]

at least we’re all not moving together

[thin ermine]

https://tenor.com/view/daladada-cat-crying-cry-scream-gif-24748831

[sour jay]

yeah but that's total account power right? he could have full lvl 160 green heros in his comps

[worthy rapids]

Its the comp power

[thin ermine]

Nah thats comp power

[sour jay]

oh then 0 chance yeah

[thin ermine]

[ocean flame]

Any improvements for these teams? Do not have alna/daemia and only 1 awaken ashem

[worthy rapids]

Scarlet always mid in pvp

[sour jay]

put mishka with scarlet too

[ocean flame]

then estrilda with abel?

[thin ermine]

Palmer abel

[ocean flame]

The other 2 team for reference

[sour jay]

I think your abel comp is just gonna be shit regardless

[ocean flame]

i can replace it with seal but only thoran ascended, will that be better

[sour jay]

Unless seal is at least 9, but ideally 15, prob not

[ocean flame]

my seal is at 9

[polar dune]

what is erosion good on again

[sour jay]

mae, saf, maybe emi

[polar dune]

yeah i dont feel like putting this on emi

[sour jay]

only mages that would want it are mae emi and dae ig

[thin ermine]

Its pretty decent for dae too!

F.atk on dae~

[polar dune]

i just chuck it on abel

when i get more

and better i'll put it on dae

[lofty silo]

Oops wrong sp

[thin ermine]

[wise whale]

Nothing but fucking garbage evry time bro

My rng for this shit boutta make me quit the game entirely I’ve gotten nothing but garbage

[cinder marsh]

well i mean.. its been out for like no time.

This game is all about time.. nothing new 😄

[wise whale]

Evry single run has been garbage for me

I’ve done so many and nothing but trash

[polar dune]

yes , we are the tester ; making million doesn't allow you to hire people to test how god awful the feature is

[cinder marsh]

got to say tho, considering the rng within the making of the collection itself... who came up with the good idea to limit wishlist to 1 per week? lol

insane. either one or the other, both is jsut madness.

[polar dune]

same people who used to limit purchase of new content

[cinder marsh]

they should remove the limit on wishlist, else make the totems more reliable.

[sour jay]

meh non-whales don't even get 1 pull a week once this beginning rush wears off

[polar dune]

yeah they will but they will do it to do the "we understand and been taking in ur feedback"

very hilarious from this company

[cinder marsh]

i guess it's a priority. like, 1 scroll or 1 staff.

[lofty silo]

I feel u

[cinder marsh]

ehh.. something like that^ lol

[wise whale]

Stop u have the best luck I’ve seen from anybody

[thin ermine]

ability is pretty universal. just that lvl 9 is sad

[sour jay]

the main problem is that the legendaries are all trash except like 3 of them

really dilutes the pool

[lofty silo]

I got like 2-3 good ones then rest is pure shit

[wise whale]

I’m abt to quit this game has one more chance or I’m done I haven’t gotten a single useable one yet

[cinder marsh]

yeah,kinda.. it could be good if you had somewhat of a choice between the 10 floors.

[polar dune]

i hope veithael is happy with thes

[sour jay]

I have one decent one and rest trash (+0 = trash long term)

[vagrant prawn]

Honestly i did the same thing this TS...

[thin ermine]

i got so many lvl 8/9s lol

[wise whale]

Or at least lemme use my own fucking heros and teams so I can actually manage through the tower or wtvr instead of giving me the worst heros available to this fucking game it’s ridiculous

[lofty silo]

How? I have only lvl 10

[thin ermine]

.....

[wise whale]

Ur rng is better then ours apparently

[lime zinc]

My two +1s rolled weirdly

[wise whale]

I’ve had nothing but garbage it’s stupid

[thin ermine]

no hero upgrades....kept on getting new heroes....

[queen crystal]

my advice, just always level up heroes even if they bad

[cinder marsh]

it's not that bad, it's still afk arena. Tbh, developers have been really good for the most part. New features may fail, but afaik they are looking to improve next patch.

[wise whale]

Bro I’ll max the heros I’m using and it still fails

[thin ermine]

i do that but rng is never good to me

[sour jay]

i had 1 run that ended at floor 6 cause I got like 2 hero upgrade options the entire run

[queen crystal]

yeah I get you, can’t say that hasn’t happened to me

[thin ermine]

🤝

[wise whale]

Rng likes to shaft me bro it’s the dumbest shit evr

[cinder marsh]

they are improving these issues.

[wise whale]

I can’t even get a complete run bc u wanna hand me fucking Walker 11 times ina row like cmon

[lime zinc]

Fortunately I only failed 1 run this week and it was on floor 10

[wise whale]

I’ve failed like 6 bro cuz it hands me nothing but shit heros

[cinder marsh]

lol, exactly.. its bad atm

[polar dune]

ur big coping bro

[wise whale]

And then if I get a good run all my rolls for it r garbage i hate the new fucking power creep

[polar dune]

tbf ur coping , im jaded - we on the same track to self destruction

[thin ermine]

https://tenor.com/view/copium-cat-gif-27161395

[lime zinc]

[thin ermine]

🤝

[wise whale]

Anybody want my account?

Fuck this new power creep

[lime zinc]

There's no in-between

[thin ermine]

[indigo quail]

@spice finch how fast do u hit now

[cinder marsh]

🤸

[lofty silo]

[wise whale]

Rng is the dumbest shit evr dude ur telling me outta the 20+ runs I’ve done i can’t get not ONE single useable collection

[thin ermine]

trying hard to sit through this system

[polar dune]

IN MY FIELD OF E80 LIVE A BTCH CALL EMILIA

[lofty silo]

There are a few fixes coming soon

[polar dune]

yeah bc they saw half their cash cow quitting

[lofty silo]

F2P roster there my friend

[wise whale]

Fuckin compensate me for wasting my damn time and resources then dude cuz this is bullshit

[thin ermine]

none of my collections r good either....im just coping myself...

[lofty silo]

The new system is anti whale

They should sell attempts for collections

[cinder marsh]

been playing for like.. many years by this point. As long as they address the issues and fix them i dont mind. Im in it for the long run.

[polar dune]

its anti everything

[wise whale]

The new system boutta make me delete the game

[thin ermine]

[rotund island]

do we know the cost requirement for perk level 3-5?

[wise whale]

They rly said heard u like getting fucked so we add something with the worst rng outta anything in the game and jus make it worse for evryone

[cinder marsh]

perk lvl 3 = 10k

[thin ermine]

most peeps rn in this convo rn have been playing awhile lol. im playing for abt 4yrs....

[rotund island]

10k points or whatever?

[lofty silo]

I got 1080 day recently

[cinder marsh]

10k collection perk exp or something

[wise whale]

Bro same

@old fog want my account I’m quitting

[lofty silo]

Didn’t u take a break?

[wise whale]

Yea then I lost the old account

[thin ermine]

vip point to dollar is ab 64.8 i think? 6x for sure. cant remember the exact value

[wise whale]

So I had to restart

[cinder marsh]

ohh, nice

[thin ermine]

welcome to the granpa club corb

[lofty silo]

[polar dune]

6.48 yep

u right

[polar dune]

6480 per 100

[lofty silo]

https://tenor.com/view/im-in-my-prime-funny-ironic-age-old-gif-11480659

[rotund island]

1.5k every 15 days is wild

[thin ermine]

[wise whale]

I was in my prime before this stupid fucking power creep

[lofty silo]

Same as normal vip

[thin ermine]

yep

[rotund island]

But it expires after 15 days

[thin ermine]

yeah

[thin ermine]

[lofty silo]

[lofty silo]

Yes but the vip lvl doesn’t reset

[polar dune]

at least im still 1st here

wont be for long

[lime zinc]

I think every collab dim they release should be a flaw pfp char

[cinder marsh]

jesus, not bad lol

[thin ermine]

flaw is pretty much always no.1

[lofty silo]

I just wanna be a commander once lol

[polar dune]

last 2 ts i slip down to 2

because i was too busy with work

now its time for revenge

[thin ermine]

[lofty silo]

Wrong sp ftw

[polar dune]

its still not extremely good with right sp

[lofty silo]

83% is trash

[cinder marsh]

lol

[thin ermine]

wow we started rly close in time. i got mine on 2023/01/30. which server r u in?

[polar dune]

yeah with that many crown and silver star

that team occupy 4 collection

[thin ermine]

[lime zinc]

Who's missing 1, Hae?

[polar dune]

raine

[lime zinc]

Ah fk, failed the 50/50

[cinder marsh]

S384

[thin ermine]

im going assume ur in R16 for TS?

[polar dune]

15

[thin ermine]

[cinder marsh]

R15

[thin ermine]

[polar dune]

thats the death region robo and I was in

[lime zinc]

[polar dune]

wei always get #1 after basil left

[thin ermine]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1137640870426984468/1149062391200501800/eff608500fb30f24ce2734c88d95d143ac4b0339.gif

[cinder marsh]

lol

[thin ermine]

itd def ded region. these few r soo bad

[polar dune]

joy

collection btw

[thin ermine]

seirus carried me in GG

solid there for sure

[old fog]

DONT QUIT

[thin ermine]

[little cairn]

Just got my GG run carried

Random fight dropped skill lvl

[thin ermine]

[cinder marsh]

i've been tempted so many times to go for E80 on my carries, I.E. awakened heroes...

[thin ermine]

[polar dune]

if u dont pvp its useless

[cinder marsh]

just for the pvp aspect ofc, but it seems to be no issue. Better grow the red population 🤣

[polar dune]

since i was in ur region ik u gonna have to anyway

[cinder marsh]

yeah, exactly.

well, every carry is over E60

[cinder cargo]

[cinder marsh]

also, furniture has been a focus a while. upgrading

[wise whale]

I’m going to bc of the new power creep rng has shafted me evry single run bro I haven’t gotten a single useable one

[cinder cargo]

wow top 100 r15

🫡

[cinder marsh]

It aint as bad as you think. most folks are in the same boat.

[cinder cargo]

are you actually quitting

sweep is coming soonish

[solid monolith]

everyone gets bad runs, and people only share their giga good rng ones

[cinder cargo]

I mean

unless you are corbeau

who shares all their runs

[solid monolith]

okay but you know what i mean

the op ones stand out

[cinder cargo]

ye

[polar dune]

bro i was top 10

where was my respect

[cinder cargo]

you are whale

[polar dune]

man demoting me like this

[lime zinc]

You can 3:1 new celepo right?

[old fog]

it’ll take time, but you’ll get good runs eventually. plus sweep is coming so it’ll be easier

[polar dune]

i'm a mfking kraken

[cinder cargo]

mhm

[cinder cargo]

no

you own the factory for making krakens

[cinder marsh]

give it some time, you will get your perfect collections as you go. as with everything, it's the afk genre. Also, they did pinpoint a few things for next patch which will make it easier and faster to gp between the 10 floors. not sure about it all, but that's what i remember.

[polar dune]

yeah but i want to win more frame

[cinder cargo]

they should give us 30 attempts per day

[polar dune]

AINT ENOUGH

[vagrant prawn]

Flaw grinding

[cinder cargo]

I find it funny how lilith gives you a new frame for every LC win

[vagrant prawn]

💪

[cinder cargo]

instead of just upgrading your frame

[cinder marsh]

to bad i cant challenge you 🫣

[polar dune]

ofc u cant

im not in that region anymore

[cinder cargo]

region swap scroll

[lime zinc]

At anniv

[polar dune]

i swap to kaia region

bc its the easiest

[cinder cargo]

r46?

[polar dune]

45

[cinder marsh]

you dont like a challenge?

[polar dune]

46 is where my boi asul is at

[cinder cargo]

oh ye 46 is asulgard region

[lime zinc]

Asulgard spooky

[polar dune]

think i went over my avg spending

and im spending more than most restraurant worker monthly

on an afk game

[cinder marsh]

makes sense, lol

[cinder cargo]

I mean you can afford it, so why not

[polar dune]

jd

what if i dont want to

[cinder cargo]

do a mia

[cinder marsh]

lol

[polar dune]

wait for someone to quit and take their account?

people do that already for me jd

they throw me their login and i distribute it out

[lime zinc]

Pimpmaster 42069

[cinder cargo]

no, the other thing mia did to her own account

[polar dune]

refund?

idc about the money

i care about enjoying whatever day I have while working

and doing collection for 2 hrs isnt what i have on that list

[cinder marsh]

well, good thing QoL incoming..

[cinder cargo]

frick I just realized bert can't link alaro dummy

don't you just love wiping the team with 0:55 on the clock and then timing out to a dummy

[cinder marsh]

omg xD

[vagrant prawn]

Ive had that happen to many times

[cinder cargo]

my favorite is when your thoran 5 wipes them

[vagrant prawn]

And the dummy lives

[cinder cargo]

and spends the remaining 1 min 10 seconds doing 0 damage to a dummy

[polar dune]

yeah one of the campaign stage later jd

u have to vs like a 80b hp dummy

[vagrant prawn]

My favorite is when lorsan 1v1's the dummy cause he managed to live and time outs to the dummy

[polar dune]

and ur team will not be able to dps it down unless u let enemy live to hit it

[cinder cargo]

sounds like fun

[cinder marsh]

🥹

[vagrant prawn]

That sounds very fun

[cinder cargo]

honestly though I don't like f2ps can climb high deficit enough due to powercap to be stuck like that

[polar dune]

late deficit is same sht anyway

same gimmick

[lime zinc]

Non-heroes be like:

[cinder marsh]

hmm, it's about time to do campaign. been a while

[polar dune]

yeah dude same

i havent touch it for 4 patch

wonder when i get to play it again

[cinder cargo]

ye because 62-1 and ch62 doesn't exist

I wonder why lilith is taking so long to release a campaign chapter

[cinder marsh]

oh lol

[cinder cargo]

just randomly generate one

if one stage randomly sucks

just rework it

[rotund island]

Collections completely changed powercap, been able to push 50+ stages after being stuck at cap

[cinder cargo]

I think it's mainly the nerf that lilth did recently

made the gap between 56 and 59 like 25 levels

[rotund island]

ah maybe, gonna find out real soon xD

[cinder cargo]

as opposed to like 80 or whatever it was before

[cinder marsh]

i cant stand the thoran teams.. Why does it have to be a thing all the way.

[cinder cargo]

I mean it's just op

[vagrant prawn]

Simple clear really

[polar dune]

yeah its so op i upgrade it all the way dude

[cinder cargo]

it's not fun

[vagrant prawn]

1 hero 1 shots whole team

[cinder cargo]

but it works

[cinder marsh]

yeah, but... it's those artifacts

changing everything all around, jesus

[polar dune]

look how colorful my thoran team is jd

[tiny lily]

Just noticed I didn’t give my stall team seal…

[cinder cargo]

wait why do you need to max it out like that

need more haste?

[polar dune]

power cap

so long ago

[cinder cargo]

wait you use a team like that in single comp?

[rotund island]

is he still used in single stages?

[cinder cargo]

I've heard singles get a lot worse later on

[polar dune]

yeah jd back then

[cinder cargo]

so people are back to awakened + thoran

[polar dune]

how do you think we deal with isabella single

e80 pippa was how

[tawdry hatch]

that sounds horrifying

[cinder marsh]

that's pretty overkill , pippa E80 wow

[cinder cargo]

merc an e80 pippa

[polar dune]

funnily enough

you would be below power with it still

at 36f

i have the connection jd , i tried

[cinder cargo]

have you tried the wait for level up / chasmic strategy

[cinder marsh]

cap?

[polar dune]

you do realise if i dont clear

chasmic wouldn't happen right

[cinder cargo]

I mean other people will

[polar dune]

yeah where is the fun in that

you dont etch ur name into history by being 2nd best

[cinder cargo]

wow that charm took 10 minutes

[tawdry hatch]

very flawed strategy

[cinder cargo]

campaign is starting to get hard again for some reason

[vagrant prawn]

Campaign hard

[sour jay]

I already feel like I have all the important heros with collections... Just niche ones left

[polar dune]

Jd would never understand this feeling

[cinder marsh]

🤣

[wise whale]

Kya want my account

[vagrant prawn]

No

[queen crystal]

you actually quitting primo

[cinder cargo]

wait why are you quitting

collection rng is just gonna flatten out in like 1 month

there's only so many OP runs you can do before you get saturated

and there's only so many dud runs you can do before you start landing OP runs

[sour jay]

yeah we get exactly 0 op runs

only kraken get good collections

[polar dune]

dont think jd understand

how bad rng can still fk u

[cinder cargo]

I got a 18 MP run for palmer

[polar dune]

yeah how about u run to a pub adn get some btches

[sour jay]

I got double mythic atk, I think it's better than mp

[polar dune]

fking around with old man

[sour jay]

but idk how the math goes

[cinder cargo]

atk is good on ivan

[sour jay]

for palmer

[cinder cargo]

I don't think palmer buffs using atk

apart from his basic atk buff

which is only like 40%

[sour jay]

ah

[cinder cargo]

whereas MP buff is like 150%

[sour jay]

this is why I hate collections, this game is so fucking confusing

no consistency and it's hard to remember what scales off what

[vagrant prawn]

Yeah I've been chasing for a palmer MP run

[cinder cargo]

collections really forces you to know everything about every hero in every mode

[vagrant prawn]

Still gotten no MP

[cinder cargo]

I only learnt yesterday that palmer actually scales massively off CDA too

[sour jay]

I knew that one

[cinder cargo]

I just chucked my CDA for full atk because I thought it was useless on palmer

[sour jay]

but he overcaps cda by a lot I'm pretty sure

[cinder cargo]

I thought so too

[tiny lily]

Still need the ability to see what stats people collections have in cr/nc/ts

[cinder cargo]

but he actually doesn't

[sour jay]

I saw someone earlier show that he does

[cinder cargo]

some random like skreg in CR has like 50 CDR

[sour jay]

oh right cdr

[cinder cargo]

so you need 110 CDA to cap out

[sour jay]

fk this game is too hard, I'm too small brain for this shit

maybe I'll quit too

[polar dune]

and how many time do u think u are gonna vs 50 cdr skreg

for it to b worth

[tawdry hatch]

at least once

[polar dune]

i'll lyk if i ever run into said problem jd

[cinder marsh]

mythic CDR on collection nets you 28.08 xD

[cinder cargo]

unless your palmer and abelinda both mega stacked

[cinder cargo]

wdym

CR skreg is literally 50 CDR

[sour jay]

ppl gonna be picking cdr for defensive stat too

[cinder cargo]

so like every time we face a tank in CR

[polar dune]

so one every few months

[cinder cargo]

we run into that exact problem

it's not just skreg

even some random like saf has like 35 CDR

not asaf, normal saf

[solid monolith]

someone needs to make simcraft for artifact so we can sim every single one for every hero

[sour jay]

mfer takes 0 dmg from crits

[gilded salmon]

FOR REAL

every game needs simcraft

[cinder cargo]

so you literally need mega stacked CDA on palmer and all your carries if you want to not have CDA on your palmer collection and still max out

[tiny lily]

This game has turned into Diablo now

[cinder cargo]

good news is for most heroes it's not that bad, since you only need about 80 in total

[polar dune]

all im hearing from you jd

is i shud quit now

[gilded salmon]

going from min maxing in wow to min maxing in any other game is annoying cause wow just has all the tools and community

[cinder cargo]

this update really sucks for people who spent a lot

[sour jay]

I spent so much time in WoW simming for minute optimizations in rotations

[cinder cargo]

and the api to simulate the game I assume

lilith actively fights against that

[sour jay]

nah but ppl built good sim tools

[gilded salmon]

nope, its all coded by volunteers

[cinder cargo]

they decoded the fog of war?

[sour jay]

[cinder cargo]

I mean like

[sour jay]

og was simcraft but idk if there's new ones now, I haven't played in years

[cinder cargo]

if you see a game like afk arena

[solid monolith]

my main problem is you're never "done" with a hero, theres always going to be new arti and better stats to farm for. theres no satisfaction in finishing one, cause in the back of your mind you know they will release another one to replace it

[cinder cargo]

the game works like how you would expect maybe 95% of the time

and then there are times where something really weird happens

[solid monolith]

its like when items in wow could titanforge

[sour jay]

that's when I quit

cause I didn't want to farm mythic+ for 7 hours a day then go raid

[gilded salmon]

well thats gone so come back

[sour jay]

nah now I don't have time

[cinder cargo]

because there are mechanics set behind the scenes that aren't explicitly mentioned anywhere

[gilded salmon]

😦

[cinder cargo]

it's like gazing rates

[cinder marsh]

That's actually a good thing, else this game would be dead long ago.

[solid monolith]

that's how its worked for every other creep, i dont know what you mean

[cinder cargo]

most of the models on reddit attempt to decode the "true average" as if you can just use a binomial distribution to model that

except it's not just a binomial + pity

the true formula is just hidden

most games have stuff like that in the actual battling too

where the formula is just more complex than the game says it is

ok not most games

but a lot of games

especially gacha games

[sour jay]

this is a long monologue that long left the original discussion

are you okay jd

[polar dune]

hes proving a point

[sour jay]

i'm not sure what that point is

[polar dune]

that game these day are very troubling

[sour jay]

I think he's trashtalking the makers of simcraft

[tawdry hatch]

I've never seen JD talk about something so much that isn't campaign

[cinder marsh]

no doubt about that

[cinder cargo]

it's hard to just create a sim of a game without having access to backend

[polar dune]

it is trash talking so im fine with that

not every day do i see garbage talk

[sour jay]

Wow is quite simple

[polar dune]

now if it can do a backflip , i be impress

[cinder cargo]

how did you read that out of my messages

[cinder marsh]

Ofcourse, but you can approximate... And filter data to get relatively close to the real deal.

[polar dune]

older game have easier source code to access

[cinder cargo]

I'm just saying it's hard to make a simcraft like tool for afk arena

because of "fog of war"

[sour jay]

Wow is simple and you can always verify on training dummies

[cinder marsh]

For sure.

[solid monolith]

im fine with them releasing new stuff to work toward, but personally theres not really a sense of satisfaction getting a good artifact compared to getting 30 SI or 9f or whatever. its just an infinite treadmill you never get off of, but maybe im just a grumpy old man now

[cinder cargo]

honestly there's just too much rng involved in everything

[lime zinc]

I think some lvl of rng is fine, but it is a little soul crushing

[solid monolith]

and you need multiple levels of rng to go your way to even feel good about it

[lime zinc]

Would be nicer if you got like rng frags to guarantee a +2 or smth
So you could at least get 1 every so often

[queen crystal]

Yellow totems should guarantee something, not just decrease rng. Even if they have to balance them around that.

[sour jay]

Just spend less zappy, then you will never have time to chase small gains cause you'll never have near perfect collections

[solid monolith]

that said, i still think its fun and think there are good things about it as well

[cinder marsh]

I totally get your poiint there actually. still, somehow im sure when i get the perfect one... it stays for-ever. however long that might take.

[lime zinc]

A lot of the % totems are deff underpowered

[polar dune]

nah guys dont u get it

[sour jay]

There's a few op totems and a ton of junk

[polar dune]

they do this , we say this and they say "we have listen to ur feedback"

[granite mason]

me 2

[lime zinc]

Yeah

[polar dune]

whos the real hero here

[sour jay]

Me

[cinder marsh]

xD

[polar dune]

u do u champ

azeroth await

[cinder marsh]

Lets hope they get the point and makes this satisfying to work with. currently it's a total mess

[wise whale]

I’ve done 20+ runs and gotten not a single useable collection from it

[vagrant prawn]

I wanna uninstall i just did a full run and not even a epic ability

[wise whale]

That’s wat I’m fucking saying

[solid monolith]

i think your standard for usable is too high

[wise whale]

Now picture that but that’s all my runs

[wise whale]

I have zero bappy

[cinder marsh]

well, in many cases the old artifacts are still better..

[lime zinc]

I thought we were getting 50 staffs and extra runs today from dev letter

[polar dune]

ppl like to compare this to genshin

[cinder marsh]

then again, they get blown away pretty fast when the good collection shows up

[polar dune]

but i dont think genshin has this many layer of rng

[vagrant prawn]

It doesn't tbh

[lime zinc]

Genshin does have tier upgrading rng tbf, but you get a lot more per day

[solid monolith]

i never played genshin, have to consult my secretary zod on that one

[cinder cargo]

I think devs really screwed this powercreep up

[lime zinc]

And the bigger diff is than Genshin doesn't have ranked modes for competition

[polar dune]

its okay

i'll be suprise if this game last till 2025

but if it does fk u jd

[vagrant prawn]

I had better luck maxing artifacts on characters like Venti and Diluc with perfect stats then this

[cinder cargo]

???

why me

[polar dune]

its not u

its u

[lime zinc]

I didn't get any perfect rolls in the 1 or 2 yrs I played before quitting

[tiny lily]

Big thing is these collections can be used in the competitive content while artifacts can’t

[cinder marsh]

This system is Rng upon rng. Spending the best totems can end up with nothing. speaking from experience. which is bs, since the wishlist is 1 per week, lol

[cinder marsh]

yeah, you are right. even tho i got some suspicion about stats from artifacts always had some impact on cr etc.

[polar dune]

my best run so far is literally one with zero totem

[tiny lily]

Was all blue totems

[lime zinc]

[vagrant prawn]

tbh i had a 76% crit rate and a crit dmg percent 289.4 Diluc before i quitted

[cinder marsh]

yeah, this is what i mean.. i dont mind you getting lucky there, but when i go all gold totems and get 1 legendary and rest down.. that's a problem when these totems are very scarce.

[vagrant prawn]

Its either i got godly rates or you just got bad side of the stick

[lime zinc]

[tiny lily]

Completely fair, lot of the rng also depends on when you get the right upgrade nodes, preferably later in the run

[cinder marsh]

also, keep in mind if you spend these totems.. some of them are class specific ,lol

[polar dune]

..

[lime zinc]

Maybe a bit of both, or that I quit at an earlier point with worse stuff around?

[lime zinc]

Pray for reroll into +1

[polar dune]

u know it wont

but we cop and hope

[lime zinc]

I got one today from reroll when the other stats sucked

If you can get a swap it's easy M on a good stat at least

[polar dune]

NO TOTEM BTW

[lime zinc]

RNG

[vagrant prawn]

Flaw with it

[polar dune]

...

[fair rapids]

[vagrant prawn]

That makes me wanna cry

[cinder marsh]

also, that miracle totem... Add's 1 special slot AND increases the base stats of the collection by 50%

[polar dune]

this feel like a lucilla totem

[lime zinc]

Does Luci use IS?

[cinder marsh]

In the end, no collection will be satisfying without it.

[tiny lily]

Does the potion stall from traders vault stack with itself or rowan?

[polar dune]

nope but its better than nothing

[cinder marsh]

good question.. need to know, cause i alrdy assumed it didnt.

[lime zinc]

M F.Def kinda generically nice for sust at least

[lime zinc]

Tasi collec

Oh IS helps Lava ig

And the atk is good

[carmine shale]

Could also be on Joan

[cinder marsh]

any mythic team boost on a support collection is worth it imo.

[carmine shale]

Personally I don't see why, here's my reasoning

[fair rapids]

@spice finch swapping Mae and shemira just swapped win rates

[polar dune]

slapped on Lucilla

[tiny lily]

Ashem does a lot of heavy lifting

[polar dune]

she now strong again

[carmine shale]

Why buff your team by at most, 2.5% of whatever each, or 10% total in atk and HP maybe. But the trade off is far better stats singularly for that support who could do more for your team alive or increases buffs through CDA, Crit, ATK or what have you, having defence or armor also is nice to keep them alive.

TLDR, Support living longer is better than team wide buffs?

[lime zinc]

What it'd look like at the end?

[lime zinc]

Nice

[rotund island]

but collections are generally meant for modes that you don't struggle with survivability

[carmine shale]

I'm thinking for PvP

[rotund island]

Just about raw damage output

[dusk tundra]

alright in CR. Not worth for TS collection
full stat btw

[lime zinc]

Looks sick for Lava if he didn't need Flight

[tiny lily]

And that’s why you have a second pvp focused collection set

[carmine shale]

That sounds like a horrible grind lmao

[polar dune]

i'll run it again @lime zinc if i get a decent tanky one, i can give that to lavatune

[indigo quail]

big kraken

[carmine shale]

What can I do better?

[polar dune]

get a better collection

[carmine shale]

Lucilla only M20 atm

[indigo quail]

whale shemira

[carmine shale]

:l

[lime zinc]

Biggest pain for having pvp collec is that you can't set them from TS comp set
Even after free swap you'd have to have them set when round started

[vagrant prawn]

Team 1 winrate?

[carmine shale]

27% lol

[polar dune]

looking at wr prob low to balance the 2 4

[vagrant prawn]

Geez

[polar dune]

RNG

[sour jay]

Too bad buffer is shit

[polar dune]

it is

[carmine shale]

I put this on Jerome but idk, maybe someone else can use it better

[polar dune]

framton probably

defensive with like pp

[carmine shale]

Yeah let me put it on my e+ Frampton lel

[polar dune]

tarnos would also be a good candidate

[carmine shale]

Do I look like a whale to you XD

[polar dune]

u dont look like anything to me

i have a blindfold on

[carmine shale]

Good, let's keep it that way

[old fog]

oh damn

[cinder marsh]

Well, it depends. Since the mythics are very rare and op compared to any other tier... Support wants to buff the team. i wouldnt sacrifice a full buff for a "singularity". Full attack should always be equipped imo, mostly the others if mythic also. Only exception i could think of now is if it was for some specific reason. Which really aint the case currently, since we need like way to many more collections before we get to that point. I.E. we should and can consider what hero it fits best at the point of creation. Since everyone most likely need one for all.

This is the result of the RNG upon RNG.

[fair rapids]

This run is so great

[cinder marsh]

When i went over all the totems, it really seemed like you could make a pretty good strategy for a somewhat good end point. Currently the rng is to divergent, as stated by lilith themselves iirc.

[vagrant prawn]

Who would take these stats best?

[fair rapids]

Mythic PP on my Abel arti I'm fkn done

[cinder marsh]

tbh, no clue.

[glad plank]

Does traders vault stack?

[fair rapids]

[polar dune]

nope

[cinder marsh]

are you sure?

[polar dune]

im sure until proven wrong

[fair rapids]

[cinder marsh]

lol, cant deny that.

[tranquil crane]

can you clarify? do you mean that only one hero will set up a cart?

[polar dune]

that is correct

[fair rapids]

15 fox> 18 fox

[polar dune]

afaik anyway

i test it once

[tranquil crane]

good to know 🫡

[polar dune]

atho there is like 2 cart here

so idk

[fair rapids]

@sterile zinc miss you, keeping your spot warm

[tranquil crane]

[fair rapids]

Been top 10 most of This TS Without Royce

[polar dune]

seem like hp cart is infinite

dont see the blue one appearing more than once tho

[tranquil crane]

Oblig 'nice'

[cinder marsh]

i assumed the vaults didnt stack, then went to grind the "Luminous Flight" instead... i have no actualy evidence if thats the case or not.

if they cant stack it limits the choice for most heroes.

[tranquil crane]

well, Flaw just showed an image of two in use so

seems like it can stack?

[solid monolith]

ive seen 3 carts down, but its hard to see more cause too many effects and my idiots are dying too fast vs my opponent

[fair rapids]

Test against me zappy

[fair rapids]

You might kill me to fast tho

[solid monolith]

yeah thats the problem, either i win too fast or lose too fast, or everyone survives and theres too many effects to see anyway

[fair rapids]

Afk arena pvp in a nutshell

[tranquil crane]

Wdym you can't tell what's happening here?

[fair rapids]

Oh yes I see very clear of how the scenario is going down

[tranquil crane]

Don't think so.

[vagrant prawn]

Yeah wym you can't tell whats happening right here

[tranquil crane]

keep in mind, this early you shouldnt really refer to anyone's collections as blueprints

[vagrant prawn]

This is a top 10 anime battles video obviously

[fair rapids]

[tranquil crane]

no one has well optimized collections yet so if you try to copy someone you're probably copying whatever trash they happened to pull on their run

[fair rapids]

True

[tranquil crane]

there's also a lot of bad players

another trend i noticed

[solid monolith]

i picked erosion on lyca and i dont remember doing it

[tranquil crane]

[solid monolith]

[fair rapids]

[solid monolith]

i think it was one of my first runs and i just picked it cause it was red

[tranquil crane]

I have erosion on wyca cuz she's using one of the free collections you get for completing a quest

[fair rapids]

Valid

Damn I'm only staying this high bc softlily is getting rolled by shem

[tranquil crane]

i just use her as an energy supp for abel so idgaf about her stats

[little cairn]

Based

[indigo quail]

why dont u sleep

[fair rapids]

I did sleep

[indigo quail]

sleep more

[fair rapids]

?

[little cairn]

2h he slept

[fair rapids]

I have work

[little cairn]

[indigo quail]

at least 7hrs per day

[fair rapids]

I slept from 4 to 8

4 hrs good

[indigo quail]

health not stonk

[little cairn]

Not something to be proud about

[fair rapids]

11 hours shift + 4 hours of sleep then ready to go again

[fair rapids]

Health very stonk

[indigo quail]

[little cairn]

Tbf 5h of that shift is in discord and afk

[fair rapids]

Yup helps pass time

[little cairn]

What do you work with that has a lot of downtime

[fair rapids]

Not down time just good at multi tasking

[little cairn]

[fair rapids]

I'm always doing something but sometimes I can chat here and work and do fine

I do retail stocking and recently been organizing back room so just scanning labels and stuffs then stokin if it can go out to the floor

Overnight tho

Really chill

[little cairn]

Add 2h of sleep to schedule

[fair rapids]

That's decent but full buffer is...

[little cairn]

Very good

[fair rapids]

Other than that it's very good

[little cairn]

Sadly the atk stats are not mythic instead

[fair rapids]

For waden or Lyca?

[little cairn]

What totems did you use

[fair rapids]

[little cairn]

Out of curiocity

[fair rapids]

Prob all blue xD

All blue low key give me best stuff

[little cairn]

I do 2 good blues and 1 purple usually

If no good purple just all blue ye

[cinder marsh]

3 stars on that one is nutz

[polar dune]

can have 5 cart btw

[vagrant prawn]

Dang

[vagrant prawn]

I guess its time to make full support teams

[polar dune]

before any mfker ask - i have 5 support item yes

im not proud of it

[little cairn]

Farming for that perfect collection

Nothing to be ashamed off

[vagrant prawn]

Lol

That's what ive been trying to do

So i never have to worry about the specific character

[old fog]

i did 7 cover runs to get +1, sold some because it hurt me to look at

[polar dune]

i just keep them all

its about filling the whole thing before min maxing

[old fog]

which legebdaries sir

[old fog]

i sold the ones which either had stats so bad i would never use them or the ones that didn’t even get to level 10

[polar dune]

i use the one that isnt lv 10

just cus stat > no stat

[cinder marsh]

i dont have the balls to sell them, yet... xD

it's just way to much going on atm to be certain imo. well, i dont have any lvl < 10

[old fog]

i don’t even have the collection so i can’t do a run for my wyca

might gaze athalia tbh

[solemn sage]

first swag run, no +2

still zero natural skill+1s in all of my runs

[lime zinc]

Only runs I've got natural +1 had zero other Ms

[polar dune]

me playing afk arena

[lime zinc]

Pretty good stats though

So much that idk what you'd even pick

[lime zinc]

Oh right it has 8 slots

[solemn sage]

abaden arti

[lime zinc]

There's nearly 20 other Cele with CC that uses PRF but AwBaden is the only one that matters

[solemn sage]

lilith says they're gonna refund us our diamonds spent on swapping

[polar dune]

oh damn

im getting back 20k

[lime zinc]

Should be next patch I think, so 8d

[solemn sage]

so I'll use it on abaden for CR and then swap it to alyca or olgath for TS

don't think prof is big deal on them but everything else is nice

[lime zinc]

Don't think prf affects AwLyca at all
It affects Olgath S4 roar

[solemn sage]

send me your spreadsheets

[lime zinc]

I made a new one today but it's unsorted and messy

[solemn sage]

unsorted and messy is my identity

[lime zinc]

List of skills w/ stat scaling, cc, movement cc, health-loss

[lime zinc]

Asterisk on movement CC = also has a normal CC

I'd add everything that was affected by PRF if I actually knew what was

[solemn sage]

yeah ideally IS/prf would be separate columns

[indigo quail]

I forgot to farm 2 flights for Rowan/Haelus

🙏 i can still in t20

[lime zinc]

It's also fairly likely it could be missing some, but prob not relevant ones

Later I'll sort them into relevance too (only made it like 5mins ago)

[olive moat]

Collections ass confirmed

[solemn sage]

I think a good general rule of thumb for if IS/PRF have any use on a hero

is checking if they get any from engravings

[lime zinc]

For almost all yeah

[solemn sage]

not always accurate for older heroes I think

[lime zinc]

Some of the older ones or niche effects don't have IS

[solemn sage]

but anything that came out post engravings

[lime zinc]

Like Vei doesn't have any IS for his niche stun

[solemn sage]

I guess prf isn't on engravings

but good for IS

[lime zinc]

PRF is the weirdest one because idk if stuff like AwShem spirit counts

Simple debuffs should all work

[misty epoch]

Good morning scroumeblrs

[fair rapids]

My kren got 14B naro ass confirmed

Potato has 18 spider...

[lime zinc]

My peak with 12 spooder was only 14.5b

[solemn sage]

oh

[lime zinc]

I got 62.5b pb tho

[solemn sage]

6x makes this voyage's memory game kinda hard huh

[indigo quail]

55b nub

[quartz salmon]

[fair rapids]

Don't booli

[lime zinc]

It saves all the tiles though, don't need to do it in a row (I started messing up the last one)

[indigo quail]

ogey

[fair rapids]

I did hit higher than James tho

[quartz salmon]

[fair rapids]

Nub

[quartz salmon]

I hit cr twice tho don’t get too excited

[fair rapids]

[lime zinc]

Your peak should be at least equal to my 67b, but should be 70b+

[indigo quail]

wheres veri

wheres lyon

wheres frog man

ask them

[solemn sage]

oh nvm

you can keep pulling the lever without killing the enemy

until you've got it memorized

[quartz salmon]

Im aiming for that

[tawdry hatch]

I just used a guide kek

[quartz salmon]

Nou