treasure-scramble

[solemn sage]

I don't really know how to rate buffer yet though

[olive moat]

huh that's a really high rating on cdr

[solemn sage]

more like a really low rating on everything else

I'd put TY and DISS above all those

[olive moat]

yeah for sure

[solemn sage]

trying to remember what other defensives there are

dmg resist #1

[olive moat]

dr

yeah

[solemn sage]

part of me rating CDR highly is from AE

it was the only way to keep twins from getting oneshot in past AEs

[tawdry hatch]

we out here lucy cheesing

[solemn sage]

the other defensive stats are heal/armor

[tawdry hatch]

hmm, I have a 4 hypo team but don't know if I want a 5th or a better mehira

[solemn sage]

heal/armor are both very situational

armor great on high shield heroes trash on everyone else

[olive moat]

im trying to build a mental framework for when i want to reroll mythic stats

[solemn sage]

heal great on asol and other supports in teams asol's used in

[olive moat]

i think pierce dr atk full atk full erosion erosion cda crit are too good to reroll

[tawdry hatch]

got the upgrade ritual, make a mythic thing out of my DISS?

[solemn sage]

Personally I'll always reroll full stats on carries

unless I have some other trash stat

[wise whale]

[olive moat]

well the issue is that you don't know if it's gonna be a carry collection until you get to the end of the run

[tawdry hatch]

hey I got a big pp

[solemn sage]

I mean if it's mage or ranger artifact then it's almost certainly carry focused

might too

[olive moat]

yeah its sust

[solemn sage]

yeah full stats on sust can probably be kept

[olive moat]

i think you could definitely be mid run on a mage and not be sure whether you want to orient it towards a supportive kit a la daemia

[tawdry hatch]

lucy cheese?

[solemn sage]

I mean on daemia you want erosion

full erosion just not as good

[olive moat]

sure you do. but that's one in what like 16 or something

[tawdry hatch]

this new gamemode ez af

[dawn tinsel]

How many ghoulish runs a week do we get? I thought it was 7, but in-game I see "8 attempts remaining". And for my first few runs, does this sound like a reasonable set (selecting from https://pastebin.com/fhiPwFX9):
(1) ABelinda - Oden
(2) AShem - Daimon
(3) Liberta - Tasi
(4) Daemia - Oden
(5) ASaf - Rowan
(6) Palmer - Rowan
(7) Ivan - Rowan
(8) Wyca - AAthalia

I would also like to do Rem and Waden, but unsure of the collections for them. In this chinese guide, Rem recommends Saurus, but I'm not convinced about it, plus it says lvl 2 is required, and rerolling seems like a future thing. Any suggestions / modifications?

[olive moat]

7 per week

but we get a bonus run every day for the first 7 days of collections existing

[thorny tartan]

Oh damn nice. Fueling my rng addiction

[tawdry hatch]

I got ability swap, should I swap my red def with smth else?

[solemn sage]

yeah def is trash

swap it with CDA

unless it's for a hero who doesn't crit much

[olive moat]

might carries get dancer for cr and cover for ts. pretty simple. both need +1 so don't run unless you're feeling lucky and have skillset equipped. which one you do first depends on mode priority. baden really wants +2 armor so use a swag run on it.

[tawdry hatch]

this is on my traders vault

[olive moat]

+2 isn't required on dancer

[solemn sage]

do you have green attack or something to swap

if you scroll down

[solemn sage]

CDA or TY

I guess TY for a support

[tawdry hatch]

I'll go cda

ty then

[olive moat]

i would take ty

[dawn tinsel]

Got it - so do my first 8 seem like a reasonable starting point? And then once I have swag totems, I'll try to get Dancer for Rem and Armor for Waden.

[olive moat]

if it's got green stats then it'll end up going on a support long term

[solemn sage]

nem's not putting green stats on, just swapping red def for something better

[olive moat]

oh lol i am not paying attention at all

[tawdry hatch]

should I refresh my PP?

physical pierce doesn't sound all that good for a support lmao

[olive moat]

is it might or cele

[solemn sage]

yeah most supports aren't physical

[olive moat]

oh sup

yeah

[tawdry hatch]

nah pp sounds op on those two

hot

[olive moat]

pretty great

[indigo quail]

[tawdry hatch]

should I replicate the TY or MP? 🤔

[olive moat]

mp

[solemn sage]

talene and fane are the only physical supports that actually do some damage

oh and lucilla

[tawdry hatch]

lucilla is support?

[olive moat]

luci is phys?

[tawdry hatch]

thought she'd be might

[olive moat]

i thought she was int for some reason

[solemn sage]

str gear

[olive moat]

well that gives away to you that i don't have luci lol

[little bough]

Does Luci work at e in dims comp with liberta?

[tawdry hatch]

traps are the bane of my existence

[olive moat]

e heroes don't really work in ts

[indigo quail]

wtf

[tawdry hatch]

upgrade full erosion?

I assume someone told me to get MP cos it's somewhat decent at L

[olive moat]

yeah

[little bough]

Mind you it's r46

[indigo quail]

big whel doesnt have luci

[tawdry hatch]

:c

[midnight arrow]

Has anyone gotten 2 skill level +1s on a single artifact yet?

[olive moat]

cuz big whel is smol fish

[indigo quail]

it should be full HEALTH instead of full heal

[olive moat]

lilith moment

[tawdry hatch]

should I refresh it?

[olive moat]

yeah

[tawdry hatch]

feel like it sucks anyway

[olive moat]

its hp

[tawdry hatch]

[indigo quail]

[olive moat]

happens

[indigo quail]

nice, you just reroll a trash to a garbo

[solemn sage]

still better than most purple stats

[tawdry hatch]

replicate MP again?

or replicate my OP full defence?

[olive moat]

yeah if u can just full stack mp that's pretty solid

[little bough]

Mp

[solemn sage]

you might have more than 4 offense stats

[tawdry hatch]

lucy cheese putting in work

even tho no more than 2 heroes die each battle

should I put MP, MP, PP legendaries together and hope for a red MP?

or is that too risky

[solemn sage]

how many red + yellow stats do you have

[tawdry hatch]

I have 3 reds atm

[olive moat]

you have 3 reds. what are they

[tawdry hatch]

MP, TY, Full DEF

[solemn sage]

probably better to turn some purples into a yellow instead of risking not having 7 reds + yellows at the end

[fair needle]

So we need this 2 totems for +2 unlock?

[olive moat]

i think i would leave it and make a yellow

[tawdry hatch]

of these purples which ones?

[olive moat]

techincally you only need worker

[indigo quail]

full atk

[tawdry hatch]

full buffer, full atk and diss maybe?

[olive moat]

hp heal full atk

[solemn sage]

I'd probably do diss + diss + full atk

[little bough]

Are we supposed to buy the 3 totems daily btw?

[solemn sage]

I guess maybe heal since support

[tawdry hatch]

full atk, diss, heal?

[tawdry hatch]

HP seems like an odd choice

I assume HP is health?

[solemn sage]

yeah I don't rate HP very high for supports

[tawdry hatch]

and not "Hard Pierce" or someshit

[tawdry hatch]

welp

[solemn sage]

for tanky heroes it's okay, but you're not gonna make a support not be squishy by chucking a little more HP at them

supports just dodge tank

[tawdry hatch]

nice

need one more tank, then one common

DISS here?

[solemn sage]

might as well take the full def

[tawdry hatch]

or Full DEF cos it's red and red is shiny

[olive moat]

just take the reds

[solemn sage]

erosion

[tawdry hatch]

now we got a common slot

ez ty

MP fun

[solemn sage]

good asaf artifact

[tawdry hatch]

imagine having asaf

there we go

[solemn sage]

palmer then, share that MP

[olive moat]

im kind of tempted to take 2x E dr (3.16% dr total) instead of L hp and L def (4.75% hp and 12.84% def)

[tawdry hatch]

won't that make his AR shoot through the roof?

or just CMBR

[solemn sage]

his cmbr will shoot up

[olive moat]

just give abel an arti too

[solemn sage]

his attack only goes up 2.67%

and ivan isn't in abel team anymore anyways

[tawdry hatch]

sorted to CMBR, time to push tower xD

[solemn sage]

oh I should see how much cmbr my 5 mythic gives me

5* CB

5 mythic collection

[tawdry hatch]

holy haha

hmm who should I do for second collection?

[olive moat]

Day 1 spoils

[tawdry hatch]

imagine reposting

[olive moat]

its relevant in two different channels

[tawdry hatch]

sure sure smh

[rich wraith]

Is that a +2

[tawdry hatch]

I'll do another traders vault because I can

[dawn tinsel]

Btw, just so I'm sure I understand correctly, SWaG = Supreme Skillest + Miracle Worker + Farewell Gift?

[tawdry hatch]

ooo nice start

[olive moat]

u understand perfectly

[dawn tinsel]

Cool, thanks.

[old fog]

wtf potato op

lemme get all mine up

[thorny tartan]

Damn got a +1 from an upgrade table on floor 4

[solemn sage]

was it yellow -> red upgrade?

[thorny tartan]

Yup

[solemn sage]

damn

[indigo quail]

same

[solemn sage]

I keep hoping that +1s can drop from non-mythic floors

but seems like no

[olive moat]

they seem like mythic drops to me

haven't been able to get one at random from the skill up event either

might not be fabable

[thorny tartan]

On floor 5 now

And its a damn rowan collection

[indigo quail]

3 blue right

[olive moat]

so what

[tawdry hatch]

I got the tier swap again, should I use it on anything?

[old fog]

mine kinda suck lmao

[tawdry hatch]

these are the greens

[olive moat]

sry i meant i haven't been able to get a +1 skill from the random upgrade event

[indigo quail]

what collection

[tawdry hatch]

Trader again

[olive moat]

well i spent 40 dollars and you didn't so that might be a difference maker

[tawdry hatch]

the Rowan one

[old fog]

yeah, rng was not in my favour today as well with the covers

[thorny tartan]

MP on rowan collection good? Or rather full atk?

[tawdry hatch]

MP good for Liberta and Palmer I believe

[olive moat]

mp

[indigo quail]

ATK -> IS to make ATK L imo 😇

[solemn sage]

most supports aren't carries but MP good for the supports that are

and palmer shares MP

[thorny tartan]

[tawdry hatch]

that emoji makes me suspicious

[olive moat]

solid

[solemn sage]

atk% more widely useful, a lot of heals scale with atk

[tawdry hatch]

nice nice

[thorny tartan]

Can you rng a second +1 or is it locked behind totems?

[old fog]

oh nn i caved and gazed a zol copy didn’t even get the +1 but oh well

[olive moat]

need worker

[solemn sage]

it can only go in the wildcard slot, and you only have one wildcard slot without the totem

[thorny tartan]

Tbh I knew that youd do it anyways so I didnt even bother saying anything anymore

Ah fair

[tawdry hatch]

TY, MP and ATK all good for this support then? got refresh ritual

[indigo quail]

you can rng a second +1 but you cant equip it, need ^

[old fog]

i wasn’t about to wait a whole month to even start getting it so i figured why not now

[olive moat]

hopefully i'll be able to do another swag run for armor before the week ends

[tawdry hatch]

both runs I've just got full hypo spam lmao

[old fog]

what’s needed for swag run? i was thinking of doing one for shadow dancer maybe

[tawdry hatch]

upgrade ritual

[old fog]

you need miracle worker right

[tawdry hatch]

Btw, just so I'm sure I understand correctly, SWaG = Supreme Skillest + Miracle Worker + Farewell Gift?

[old fog]

ohhhh

thanks

[solemn sage]

I'm just realizing

[old fog]

well i’m missing 2/3 of those so that prolly won’t happen

sad

[solemn sage]

rem job mirrors with full +1 temporal covers are gonna be funny

both frontlines delayed on both sides

backlines just kicking things off on their own

[polar dune]

this is a fat run

[old fog]

with wyca back too

[polar dune]

damn dude cash in day 1 huh

[thorny tartan]

Do I gamble and reroll MP to go full ATK for Ivan piece or just go the safe route of rerolling CRIT?

[tawdry hatch]

combination ritual, any advice?

[solemn sage]

reroll full atk

imo

Might get a second MP

[indigo quail]

also i think you can only get 3 stats

[solemn sage]

yeah you can only get 3 offense 3 defense

you're lacking defense

[tawdry hatch]

technically 4 of one, 3 of the other

[thorny tartan]

Oh right

[solemn sage]

wildcard slot gets the +1

[tawdry hatch]

oh I see

[solemn sage]

yeah I'd reroll a red full atk and hope for a good defensive

[thorny tartan]

[solemn sage]

RIP

[indigo quail]

:kekw:

[tawdry hatch]

^

[solemn sage]

how many reds

[tawdry hatch]

I'm floor 10 no reds

[solemn sage]

oh no reds RIP

I'd do atk + TY + ERR

[thorny tartan]

Is full buffer any good?

[solemn sage]

buffer seems like pvp only

[tawdry hatch]

huh this red came from nowhere

3 blue

[solemn sage]

yellow ERR is great

[tawdry hatch]

just got reroll, is this red PRF any good?

[solemn sage]

yes

[tawdry hatch]

oh

[solemn sage]

on a CC support

[tawdry hatch]

hmm

reroll a TY?

[solemn sage]

ERR is offense so you've got 4 offense 2 defense

I'd reroll atk

[tawdry hatch]

aight

got 1 defence and 1 wildcard left

[thorny tartan]

600k. Too close for comfort

[solemn sage]

full buffer + CDR I guess

[tawdry hatch]

this is the wildcard options

MP?

[solemn sage]

oh yeah MP probably better than CDR

[indigo quail]

oh god nn whaling dust

[tawdry hatch]

pretty mediocre compared to my last one

[indigo quail]

almost catching up to me

[thorny tartan]

Im not

[indigo quail]

RC so high

[thorny tartan]

I just got 2 rc worth of dust from my 450 sg pulls yesterday

[indigo quail]

[tawdry hatch]

I'll do a zolrath run this time

[thorny tartan]

So I guess they were worth something if the hero rates were trash

[tawdry hatch]

hoping I don't get shafted

do I just go the three blues again?

[polar dune]

whats the best u guys seen that is not from cn

[olive moat]

best one i seen posted here is perp's +0 mega erosion cover

[dusk tundra]

Rejoice with me in how rich

[untold lion]

How many run u got left

[dusk tundra]

I am

[olive moat]

skillset worker gift. don't burn swag totems on shadow dancer. use it only on collections which absolutely require +2 like armor

[tawdry hatch]

6

[old fog]

gotcha. thanks poato

[thorny tartan]

Damn the turnover

[olive moat]

hold

[thorny tartan]

Thats like an hour ago

[olive moat]

lol

well was i right

[old fog]

i can’t even do armor cuz i don’t have athalia it’s also the one i need for alyca

[olive moat]

ez

[dusk tundra]

Should I try to figure out what this new stuff is or nahhh

[polar dune]

nah

go play diff game

come back a week later

rinse and repeat said step

[thin ermine]

[dusk tundra]

A week? I’ve been doing a month

[old fog]

fara you still holding off til wknd?

[olive moat]

wait u rerolled a full atk? why

[polar dune]

yeah dont know why you came back then

[thin ermine]

for?

[old fog]

collection

[thorny tartan]

Because I had too many offensive according to perp and myu

[polar dune]

best defense is offense

[olive moat]

full atk full atk mp. that's 3

[thorny tartan]

[thin ermine]

yeah im not doing my runs until the weekend. i just pulled the staffs to figure out how much of what type totems i can get

[polar dune]

remember

they cant kill you if they are dead

thats why in the popularly hated game league of legends , the best crowd control is death

[fair rapids]

[old fog]

any ideas on what ur gonna run first?

[thin ermine]

yeah i do actually. i got my initial version of which collection to work on this week already

[polar dune]

and remember money always win

[fair rapids]

[thin ermine]

[olive moat]

what are the other two

[old fog]

i want money

[thin ermine]

[polar dune]

erosion

mega erosioning

[thin ermine]

[olive moat]

nice

how much u spend day 1

[thin ermine]

errosion~

[polar dune]

my downpayment of a jetski

[dawn tinsel]

What are you planning?

[olive moat]

rip jetski

[thin ermine]

[polar dune]

yeah but its fine

i got mega erosion

[olive moat]

its chill

last story i heard about a jetski

[dawn tinsel]

This is what I was planning for my first set, with all blue totems @thin ermine

[olive moat]

nfl player got hit at full speed by another jetski

career ender

jetskis too dangerous

play afk instead

[fair rapids]

[polar dune]

afk will betray you

[fair rapids]

https://tenor.com/view/sadcat-gif-25701972

[polar dune]

jetski however will kill you while doing so

afk just leave u broke and sad

[fair rapids]

Broke and sad> dead

[polar dune]

dead is optional

back to pokemon collecting for me

[old fog]

dragon have you whales anything yet

and what runs have you done

[fair rapids]

No and zol/Rowan so far

Shit stats on my zol

[olive moat]

did u use gift

[thin ermine]

collection building in sequence: oculus> flight> armor> dancer> oculus> bondage> dancer (personalized for my roster+game mode focus)

[old fog]

at least you got a +1

[olive moat]

randomly spiking +1 is really good luck

also why post the same image twice

[fair rapids]

Lol did not notice

These are my two Rowan carts

[olive moat]

lol why break up the same item into different spots in the order

[dawn tinsel]

Nice what’s your focus?

[old fog]

these were mine dragon. sad on all the zol ones and the rest are pretty damn good in terms of stats

[solemn sage]

I'd like to talk to you about your car's erosion warranty

[olive moat]

zol spam

not very discipllined

there's the perp special

[thin ermine]

in case i mess up

[old fog]

of course not it’s me we talking about here

[thin ermine]

CR

[olive moat]

after playing through it

[polar dune]

is it missing a slot

[edgy moss]

just yolo it, what could go wrong

[thin ermine]

[solemn sage]

you only get 7 slots without miracle worker totem

[olive moat]

we don't all have infinite worker totem flaw

[solemn sage]

that was full blue totems

[polar dune]

sorry not used to being broke

getting used to it

[dawn tinsel]

Then what’s the point of even playing?

[olive moat]

i ask myself that every day

[polar dune]

p/s i didnt actually know , i press all the highest one

[thin ermine]

[thorny tartan]

@lime zinc can we get another table for the cc abilities like you did for health loss?

[solemn sage]

imagine blowing money on totems and then using the totems without knowing what they do

[olive moat]

are you asking them to make a list of literally every hero in the game with a cc effect

[polar dune]

someone gotta be the trailblazer

i for once like to do it

[solemn sage]

you could just read them first

[thorny tartan]

Thats what he did for health loss

[polar dune]

nah reading is overrated

if i fk around enough

i tend to find out

[solemn sage]

Miracle worker + farewell gift is the important combo for chance of +2 skill

[thin ermine]

[fair rapids]

This the way of life

[solemn sage]

third totem can either be purple level up chance or a legendary for the stat you want

[olive moat]

after playing through it. u shouldn't really go into the run with an intent to build it for a specific hero. u kind of let it develop and build it out based on what mythic stats u get

[polar dune]

that is correct

just let it rip

beyblade

please sponsor me , i waste a lot of money on this game

[thorny tartan]

[proven night]

is there any mage that does health loss ?

[thin ermine]

yeah thats what i have in mind actually. those selections rnt for just one hero but for multiple depending on which stats i get

[thorny tartan]

Emi and Dae

[fair rapids]

Emi and dae

[thorny tartan]

[solemn sage]

maetria

abel does a little bit of health loss but not major part of her kit

[fair rapids]

Was same timen

[edgy moss]

yup its way too much rng just see what you get at the end and swap/change/upgrade the nodes that are useless for anyone

that is why i said, just yolo it

[thorny tartan]

[thin ermine]

yeah thats what i have in mind. but i kinda what have some idea before i do anything with it

[edgy moss]

i went on an alt to see how the flow of the thing works then after 1 run i went straight on my main, i did 3 runs so far

[restive goblet]

Does this just make the rest of the run ez mode?

[midnight arrow]

If going for skill level +2, are the best totems to bring farewell gift, miracle worker and supreme skillset?

[solemn sage]

yes

[thin ermine]

nice~ hope its going smoothly and ur having fun

[edgy moss]

nope, its horrible and i'm really starting to question the decision to add this in

[midnight arrow]

Thanks

[thin ermine]

its aight. its a starter

[old fog]

yeah we get plenty of runs don’t worry about your first few

doesn’t make much difference in the grand scheme of things

[midnight arrow]

If I have a team formation of Palmer and Ivan, can both of them equip trader’s vault artifacts?

[thin ermine]

yes

[edgy moss]

there is just too much rng involved, the system needs a total revamp. unless they are saying they want to make things less fun....then i guess they succeeded

[midnight arrow]

Thanks

[thin ermine]

[thorny tartan]

Spoken like a true casual

Imagine not doing 500 runs for the perfect collection

[fair rapids]

I wish they would up weekly cap of runs tbh 7 felt like nothing

[edgy moss]

i would get so bored of this even faster if they gave out 500 runs

[fair rapids]

Someone has not paid a grindy game

[terse heart]

belinda divine damage doesnt count as health loss right

[fair rapids]

I use to spend days grinding for god roles in wow and Diablo lol

[edgy moss]

kmmo's are way more grindy than this and i used to play those for years

[fair rapids]

[dusk tundra]

What collections should I select? I know nothing. Please spoon feed me

[edgy moss]

spending a month to get 1 drop

[olive moat]

No

[thorny tartan]

Eyes for Abel/Emilia/Daemia, Vault (Rowan) for pretty much any support. Those are probably the best to start out with because you are very flexible who you give the collection to depending on the stats you get from the run

[indigo quail]

@.choerry daemia with new artis please

[thin ermine]

[terse heart]

📉

[old fog]

got this… on lotus account. wtf is my luck man

[thorny tartan]

Damn

[proven vault]

Did u try the gallery yet ?

And hello everyone

[thin ermine]

not doing my runs until weekend. but plan v1.0 is done

[thin ermine]

[thorny tartan]

[proven vault]

Your plan is what you sent earlier ?

[thin ermine]

1.0 im making slight changes cause i forgot to consider the collection u get from completing x number of runs. making slight changes in a bit yeah

[edgy moss]

Farara going to unlock some secrets and then make fools of everyone else that did runs already

[proven vault]

forgot to activate simona trial before going to bed

[edgy moss]

i forgot too, so lost the chance at it

[thin ermine]

shit....i forgot too

i was gonna use it for CR darn it

great

[indigo quail]

I wish I still had sim trial for nc

[proven vault]

be sure to send it on the other server

[edgy moss]

after reset, i was like ok lets wait a few hours so i can have it a bit longer

then forgot about it and went to sleep

[thin ermine]

👍 will do but do make a note that im crafting it to fit my roster. i could give some advise for urs too if u want

[thin ermine]

i did my isle of gold pillages 2mins before reset...ive been too much sucked into figuring guides and stuff

[proven vault]

yeah but besides wokes our roster aren't too far apart right ? (and some celepog too)
I'll bother you non stop dw

[edgy moss]

i just gave up on isle of gold after i hit lvl 7, was too annoying to keep up with

[thin ermine]

the wokes is the most important part cause we're only getting 7 collections from run (not including quest) this week so gotta pick and chose

[proven vault]

I think I missed pretty much the last 3+ days of isle of god, wasn't at home and didn't had much time for it

[thin ermine]

yeah i missed a bunch of isle of gold pillages during the event....

[solemn sage]

still unlucky

cover wants +1 so bad

[thin ermine]

oh well. ill live with it

[rich wraith]

You can use collections in rift right ?

[thin ermine]

yes. seems like it

[rich wraith]

[proven vault]

everywhere

[rich wraith]

I love powercreep

[thin ermine]

have fun

[proven vault]

My bounty board today was 8 legendary gold quest and on legendary rare stone quest

[thin ermine]

anyone know what the 4th quest is for goulish quest reward? mine is cropped for some reason

[thin ermine]

u did refresh right

[proven vault]

mine are all cropped too

[thin ermine]

talking about great system huh....they couldnt even get the display right...

[proven vault]

yeah 4 time iirc, stopped when I had only one gold

[thin ermine]

lemme check if i can find the info anywhere...ig

[olive moat]

Full clear 3 times

[thin ermine]

i had to refresh 4 times too

[olive moat]

I assume ur talking about the dancer quest

[thin ermine]

how hard is it?

[olive moat]

Extremely easy

[thin ermine]

yes

[thin ermine]

thx!

[proven vault]

like I have thousands of spare dias

[solemn sage]

7 I think

[thorny tartan]

Which round?

[edgy moss]

all of the remaining quests are just to clear lvl 10 X amount of times that are cut off

[olive moat]

My advice is to take new heroes almost never. Pretty much u want to always take the upgrade

[solemn sage]

oh dancer quest is 3 times

[edgy moss]

oops replied to the wrong one

[olive moat]

Only take new heroes when you don't have the option of an upgrade

[thin ermine]

the first one that shows cropped

[thin ermine]

thx lots

[solemn sage]

yeah that one's 3 and the next is 7

[thin ermine]

thx!

[edgy moss]

all of the cropped ones are clear lvl 10 X amount of times, each one just increases

[proven vault]

for me they were all cropped iirc

[thin ermine]

[thin ermine]

🤝

[edgy moss]

and you have to hope you don't get unlucky and you can actually upgrade your heroes

[olive moat]

Every new hero you take dilutes the pool of upgrades you can receive. You can win with anything reasonable as long as they're fully upgraded

[indigo quail]

R1

[thin ermine]

hope luck is good~ thx!

[solemn sage]

So not only do collections make replay copying a huge mess

[thin ermine]

rng life

[solemn sage]

but you can't even see what stats/skill levels people have in their replays

[thin ermine]

i just did my TR...it was bad when i tried copying leaderboard clear....complained about it too...prob gonna write up a suggestion for this system as well

[edgy moss]

yup, i failed to clear lvl 10 on one run cuz i didn't get many upgrade choices, it was mostly new units.

[solemn sage]

Gonna need 10 screenshots to share our TS 7 teams

[thin ermine]

gotcha

[thin ermine]

thinking about it sucks

[proven vault]

it's going to be such a pain

[thin ermine]

[proven vault]

[thin ermine]

im gonna finish up my v1.1 plan and get some other stuff going....so much things to think about

[dim estuary]

Hello there. So I suppose it's a bit early to tell if Lavatune is any good and if he is priority?

[thin ermine]

yeah but so far he's been already be over performing as a hero just like it was expected from his skill reveal

[proven vault]

looks good idk about prio

[solemn sage]

he's an energy support, high chance he's very meta

[thin ermine]

feels like i havent seen calci in awhile actually

[thin ermine]

[dawn tinsel]

Rip

[thin ermine]

great...calci is out

[edgy moss]

[dawn tinsel]

Any idea about his breakpoints?

[thin ermine]

too early

peeps who built him prob just dumped him into 30960 min anyways

[dawn tinsel]

Haha true

[solemn sage]

e60 very strong, SI30 pretty good, 9f good but probably delayable

[thin ermine]

[dawn tinsel]

Awesome, thanks!

[thin ermine]

[solemn sage]

but I don't think any of them are required for him to work

[edgy moss]

so he would work at 200e0?

[solemn sage]

they're just strong upgrades

[radiant grotto]

wait, did Calci quit?

[solemn sage]

idk how serious he was about giving account away

but seems like it

[radiant grotto]

[dusk tundra]

Ok I finally did the ghoulish thing and this is what I got

[solemn sage]

pretty good

blue stats not ideal but +1 makes up for it

[dusk tundra]

If I equip it is it stuck with that hero

[proven vault]

Still around Farara ?

[solemn sage]

no

[thin ermine]

[solemn sage]

you can move it whenever, but can't put a collection back on same hero until 24h later

unless you spend 100 diamonds

[dusk tundra]

Oh ok. I guess I’ll give it to Baden

[proven vault]

what level are your beacon in rift atm ? idk if I should put some levels in the second page already

[dusk tundra]

Or maybe thane

[thin ermine]

te all the way. got a lot sitting not used but i havent had a need for it to hit current max floor.

[proven vault]

so you're at trait enhancer 43 ?

[radiant grotto]

if you are both in-game friends, you can check at leaderboards>friends, by the way 🫡

[proven vault]

oh yeah true

[thin ermine]

if thats max yeah. but i hit rift the day it opened so it was prob lower when i cleared it. havent had much issue with auto yet.

[proven vault]

yeah that's current max, mine is a bit lower but I have a lot of extra so was wondering if I should start upping other beacons

started again from floor 1 yesterday evening

[thin ermine]

brave

if theres anything thats stopping u from going through it smoothly lemme know. ill try to help

[edgy moss]

rift being rift is making it not smooth halp!

[thin ermine]

rifty needa go swifty: auto until u cant

[proven vault]

should be fine, just wanted to get actual beckons (ended up getting walker floor1)

[thin ermine]

[proven vault]

got a tarnos and a wyca, only autoed to 120 then went to sleep

will do the rest today

[thin ermine]

thou i auto manually thou in a way of sense. i pick my badges and stuff

[thin ermine]

[proven vault]

I never read badges

[thin ermine]

im familiar enough with em to pick and chose so

dont read em either

[solemn sage]

Yeah I only pay attention to those at the very end when pushing hardest floors

not necessary for 300

[thin ermine]

yeah id imagine. i got very picky when i got towards the higher floors

[solemn sage]

just for leaderboard pushing

[thin ermine]

not necessary for sure. but i kinda prefer to keep it a habit so its easier to push above 340

[edgy moss]

you are supposed to read badges?

[thin ermine]

ur not but u need to when u try for leaderboard

[edgy moss]

ok so i never have to read them then

[proven vault]

yeah I'm pretty sure I should have done it too for top2000, would have made thing easier and maybe I wouldn't had to bother royce 30min before the end

[thin ermine]

[thin ermine]

if ur not interested y bother. i think a reason behind y i got to push last season was cause im pretty familiar with it (at least id like to think so) thou i had pretty low te compared to most

[solemn sage]

don't think I'm pushing for top 100 again this season

[thin ermine]

its hell of a grinding

[edgy moss]

i just let auto take me as far high as it can go. i don't get resources for getting higher than 300

[solemn sage]

spent way too much time on it last season

[thin ermine]

i dont like the stickers much this time so i may dip as well

[solemn sage]

and I'm spending less now

so less feedback to work with

[proven vault]

the reason as to why I pushed was royce telling me I could do it
but I had no idea what to do

[solemn sage]

I was already one of the smallest beacon players last top 100 and it'll be worse this time with collections

[thin ermine]

i dont plan to ever increase my spending

[thin ermine]

oh right...i forgot about collections

[thin ermine]

royce the mvp. havent seen him around much recently either

[solemn sage]

yeah, e80s/36fs/SI40s don't actually make that big a difference in rift

but collections definitely will

[solemn sage]

much bigger kraken advantage this time

[thin ermine]

[edgy moss]

just run now

[thin ermine]

i prob wont push either...theres not much motivation for it

[edgy moss]

[thin ermine]

im not spending on this new system anytime soon so itll only make it harder

[proven vault]

me neither but ig that's more normal, when he comes online is the evening/night for me

[thin ermine]

i feel like im lurking all the time didnt notice him much. i think he's bz too so

[edgy moss]

potato said its not worth spending on earlier

[proven vault]

Oh iirc last time he was on holidays or something

[edgy moss]

or rather tha value is not that great

[proven vault]

auto battle on rift auto picks beckoning place when available right ?

[thin ermine]

yeah thought so too. im pretty sure theyre gonna make changes to it so smaller spenders/f2p can afford too eventually

[solemn sage]

no it stops at beckoning now

they fixed it

[thin ermine]

stops

[thin ermine]

yeap

[proven vault]

Ok so I can just leave it on auto without having to look at it 24/7 to stop it before beckoning

might get some work done then

[thin ermine]

only thing is its picks something else over flora sometimes

[proven vault]

[thin ermine]

ik

[edgy moss]

so its still dumb

[solemn sage]

does it take blessed realm over dews?

[thin ermine]

yes

[solemn sage]

I mean that's fine for me

[thin ermine]

sometimes

[solemn sage]

stability not an issue yet

[thin ermine]

not for me either

[edgy moss]

does it still pick glorious over strife or the other one?

wait is that what its called? i'm forgetting the names of stuff now

[thin ermine]

wait i dont remember the name for those two. the one with no death vs within 30s?

[edgy moss]

you have the blue room, purple room the no death one and the time limit one

[thin ermine]

same lol

[edgy moss]

before if you had no death or time limit + purple room, it would pick purple room

[solemn sage]

I've never really cared about any of that

[thin ermine]

yeah. i dont remember names but i remember descriptions

[thin ermine]

this time i have nothing to say but

[solemn sage]

at easy floors it doesn't matter, and at hard floors the actual enemy heroes matter way more than whether it's purple or blue

[thin ermine]

true

[proven vault]

purple is grevious realm, time is realm of strife

[thorny tartan]

Can you show? How fast is it

[thin ermine]

[proven vault]

and I'll tell you if I see the no death one

[edgy moss]

before, at easy floors it did matter for me

[thin ermine]

[edgy moss]

those times when i didn't have the units to beat rigby

[lime zinc]

There's not as many health-loss as there are CCs

[thin ermine]

u survived

[edgy moss]

those were some very annoying days

only to find out about lucious a few levels after and what not

[thorny tartan]

Okay sry

[thin ermine]

[edgy moss]

now, i just stomp on their faces as i walk by

[thin ermine]

[proven vault]

no beckons during the last 40 floors

[misty epoch]

I got 1 but game decided to not take it

[thin ermine]

[proven vault]

perp and farara said they fixed it

[dim estuary]

Despite new fix?

[thin ermine]

it stops at beckon

[misty epoch]

Does it?

It didn't for me

[thin ermine]

yeah but it sometimes picks other door over beckon

[proven vault]

game thought you were whale enough and didn't need it

[misty epoch]

I had flora dew as the other option I think

[misty epoch]

[thin ermine]

yeap thats prob y

[lime zinc]

Flora's Dew is usually better anyway

[misty epoch]

That's fucking stupid

[proven vault]

[dim estuary]

A ye)) Nice one. Add cool thing and then delete it with next update)))

[misty epoch]

I had almost full stab

[thin ermine]

it gets glitchy when that happens....happened to me too

[lime zinc]

300 stab > new Oscar beckon

[thin ermine]

[dim estuary]

Because stopping auto on beckon is too op to be for free

[proven vault]

what about that sexy 309e60 5* star walker ?

[weary geode]

Some ideas for 4 teams? I had some teams and got only 4% and I think it can be better

[proven vault]

he got me to top2000 last season

[lime zinc]

Is there actually any beckon that would help someone as whale as you

[thin ermine]

is azor super whale i just thought his clears were smart when i got to copy em awhile ago

[lime zinc]

Well there's barely any beckons that would help in general

[proven vault]

check his CR clears

[thin ermine]

i prob should

[proven vault]

where did u copy his clears ? you're like 4 chapters ahead of us

He's region 29 iirc

[thin ermine]

i only pushed campaign in the recent 2-3months i think. i was very behind

[misty epoch]

Idk, there are some niche heroes for trift that would be useful I imagine

The point is I want cool red stars

[thin ermine]

i like using 5* heroes over my 1* ones

[misty epoch]

Yes, exactly

[thin ermine]

🤝

[proven vault]

what if your A1 heroes are already slotted in

[misty epoch]

I can still use 5* ones

[thin ermine]

u dont get heroes that u added already

[misty epoch]

Really?

[proven vault]

yeah that's what I thought

[misty epoch]

Zamn

[thin ermine]

ive seen it glitch once only

[proven vault]

if you slot your A1 abel you can't get abel beckon

[misty epoch]

I'm gonna run dreaf instead of Lib then

[thin ermine]

and vice versa as well

[thin ermine]

[cinder cargo]

The most insane random bs go I've done yet

Literally how did they all die?

It's meant to be maetria carry to kill the last guy

But obviously my maetria is not carrying, so I plonk Ed in Trish

[thin ermine]

battle report? i think its trish magic

[cinder cargo]

Everyone did like 8b

[misty epoch]

You're too whale, that's why

[cinder cargo]

Aka no damage

[thin ermine]

i learned trish magic from veri's clears

[thin ermine]

[solemn sage]

I see that lavatune pfp

JD whale

[rich wraith]

Is lavatune’s s4 instant like lyca ? Do emi and Merlin proc it

[still heron]

Eorin with DD @proven hearth

[lime zinc]

You'll probably restart the run with collections equipped when you go past 300 anyway

And below 300 is joke enough without beckons

[thin ermine]

and that thought annoys me. i dont think im gonna go past 300 this time

[misty epoch]

Bold of you to assume I push trift past 300

This season I might though

[lime zinc]

You wouldn't even get any use out of a beckon before 300+
Wow, killing an enemy in 9s instead of 10s

[thin ermine]

[tranquil crane]

Yo S1x I've been looking around at CC heroes for pvp since I realized how insanely high you can take IS on the new artis. I'm wondering about queen, someone mentioned Tasi- anyone in particular come to mind for you? If they're already meta or near-meta and might be worth a hard IS focus, that's probably ideal.

[thin ermine]

im also thinking good for LDV?

[lime zinc]

Idk if they'd even be good with infinite IS, a lot weren't even used (by non-whales) before TY was added

Oh ig that was before TS though, my memory of ancient HoEs is prob pretty bad

[solemn sage]

the issue is if it's for pvp, hard IS focus can be countered with hard TY focus

[tranquil crane]

what percent of people are hard focusing TY lol

realistically those people are clowns and they're not gonna be in your TS bracket

[solemn sage]

I don't hard focus it but it's one of my higher prio defensive choices in collections

[tranquil crane]

fair enough

[solemn sage]

dmg resist #1 obviously

[lime zinc]

Tbf, getting high IS onto some garbo CC hero is kinda clown too

[solemn sage]

I could maybe see fane making a return, not sure if his issue was IS though

[tranquil crane]

haha true. but I wanna at least look into the concept. mostly trying to think who has amazing but high failure CC that is already meta anyway

[solemn sage]

or just GB team generally falling off

[lime zinc]

I don't think I can really predict how the kraken meta will progress because it's too far beyond me

[solemn sage]

part of the general issue with cc heroes in pvp isn't really IS or TY though

more about cooldowns and getting bursted before you even cast the cc

[lime zinc]

I haven't really thought about it
It's generally only old CC units that have low IS and they wouldn't be good in pvp regardless

[solemn sage]

kren stunlock can't be avoided with TY

but he's still always been bad in pvp

[lime zinc]

I forgot to try him out on baby budget AwShem

[tranquil crane]

yeah thats fair but there's a lot of new options for not being burst down between ash, rcl, the new cheat death artis, etc

[lime zinc]

Beyond even surviving long enough, they're also not so insane that they insta win if you cast them

[dusk tundra]

This game too easy 🥴

[lime zinc]

Stuff has to either be fast or incredibly high impact, preferably both

[solemn sage]

yeah the only real true stunlock teams have never been consistent

you retry until they work

but pvp you can't do that

[tranquil crane]

yeah thats why im trying to think of who is already meta that will benefit

[solemn sage]

emi

[lime zinc]

Smth like Lava doesn't have that much IS

[solemn sage]

CC is only a minor part of his kit though

[lime zinc]

But you'd rather atk% rolls for more buff

[tranquil crane]

oh that's perfect, she only has 26 IS for me on my smol emi, I bet she'd see a real difference from one or two IS rolls

[lime zinc]

They typically gave any CC focused hero from this year enough IS

[thorny tartan]

I have a mediocre IS collection (1m 1l) and she's at 55 now. Should be good enough to get all Abels

[lime zinc]

Ig single IS node heroes kind of look comparatively low compared to Ivan having an absurd amount

[tranquil crane]

sick, ill need to rig up some pvp testing where I do emi with a zero IS arti vs high IS arti and see if it starts changing winrates appreciably

[lime zinc]

Like Tam or Gin typically have enough but an IS collec might help at kraken ranks where everything has the TY from e60+

[tranquil crane]

lol ffs I'm jumping around between too many channels, just wrote in the wrong one

I think finding heroes like Emi who might benefit without changing comps etc is almost definitely the way
but I do wanna experiment some day with a hard CC focus pvp team
khazard was actually viable LC tech that not many people ever messed with
he could enable some really interesting wins
between khazard and the possibility of proficiency rolls you could get some really gnarly CC timers

If nothing else I'm trying to keep an open mind toward the possibilities, cuz I bet there's gonna be a bunch of theoretically incredible artis getting recycled cuz folks didn't even realize they enabled some approach

[indigo quail]

someone builds big Tasi, gives her bunch of IS and test in PvP please

[solemn sage]

recycling right now is insanity

we've got so many heroes to fill

[cinder cargo]

Lavatune makes Bert charm even more spammy

[solemn sage]

JD did you see how much combat rating 5 mythic stats gives

[tranquil crane]

hmmm okay the theoretical max proficiency roll is over 20 for M+, and 17 for a more achievable roll... two M and one L proficiency roll works out to a bit over 40.

Maybe I should also be looking at what CC heroes who already have high IS could potentially see real improvement from PRF

[solemn sage]

hmm

does prf increase aezizh banish length

[tranquil crane]

disgusting, I love it

[lime zinc]

PRF seems good though yeah, far more accessible than other sources

But it's kind of hard to quantify how much it helps when CCs are kind of "long enough to work or short enough to fail"

[tawdry hatch]

what is that chinese lmao

sounds almost like a chinese tutorial on the language?

[tranquil crane]

its not clear to me what skills might be exceptions but it should work I assume?

[solemn sage]

I think knockups don't get prolonged

[tranquil crane]

are knockups considered a debuff

[solemn sage]

probably not

[tranquil crane]

okay wait they are according to bob's doc

need those knowledge downloads from The Matrix so I can download Bob's brain for game mechanics

[lime zinc]

They're weird

I need to recheck bob's doc for more info myself

[fair needle]

They should combine Insight and prf into one stat. Will make things simple

[solemn sage]

debuffs and control effects are different things

[fair needle]

It's only different in this game

[solemn sage]

debuffs affect your stats

control affects your ability to use skills

[lime zinc]

It also would be complex to actually combine them

Because you can't just give heroes with high IS a bunch of free PRF for no reason

[fair needle]

We were fine before without those stats

[lime zinc]

PRF is older than IS even

It just didn't have a name before

[solemn sage]

Before those stats those effects still existed on several heroes

[fair needle]

I mean as even before insight

[solemn sage]

making them into a stat was just making it a consistent thing

[lime zinc]

Idk why you'd want less stats anyway

Having more just makes it easier

[fair needle]

In Dota we have this thing called status resistance. It gives a hero chance to resist both control and debuffs

So yeah it's possible to combine both

[worldly belfry]

it's not completely resist

but it lowers the time u r stunned or cobtrolled

[fair needle]

Yeah my wording was wrong

[solemn sage]

think about the inverse

if you combined the two

then you could make stuns last twice as long

that'd be pretty broken

[fair needle]

The insight stat shouldn't even exist in the first place

[lime zinc]

You totally could combine them, but it makes no sense for them to rebalance every single CC in the game just to change a single stat for no benefit

[solemn sage]

insight exists becaues tenacity exists

[lime zinc]

IS exceeding their TY does nothing

[solemn sage]

you could have TY without insight but then CC heroes would become even worse in pvp

[fair needle]

They have never been good

[lime zinc]

Ivan would be a lot worse if IS didn't exist

[solemn sage]

there's been times when they were good

5 pull was pvp meta for a while

[fair needle]

Yeah before there is this thing called insight

[solemn sage]

pretty sure it was still meta after that

for a time

they were added in mid 2020

[lime zinc]

TY was made to counter CCs
IS was made so that TY wouldn't be too op
Both were released the same patch

[solemn sage]

initially they were just AE stats

engravings added them to regular modes

[fair needle]

This new stat PRF is the worst of them all

[lime zinc]

PRF is even older

[fair needle]

We couldn't get it from engravings

[solemn sage]

yeah prof has technically been around since alpha

[lime zinc]

Or maybe about the same time?

[solemn sage]

or did grez not have it at first until a rework

[lime zinc]

PRF is ancient, it's just been a rare stat until far more recently

[solemn sage]

it's at least as old as khazard for sure

[fair needle]

Or does any pet give that stat?

[lime zinc]

2 or 3 beasts give it with their stats

Owl gives it with a skill

Ice fatty, Fox and 1 other I think?

[fair needle]

Technically owl's one is AOE based

[lime zinc]

The passive gives prf

The lvl3 skill

Maybe Owl has PRF as a stat for either str or agi too anyway

[solemn sage]

oh my ivan targets abel instead of abrutus now

because collection gives way less atk than chaos bringer

neat

[worthy rapids]

[golden lantern]

so what am i putting here…

the blue ones it is

[worthy rapids]

[lime zinc]

Lava prob a god for guild boss

[indigo quail]

my ivan has higher cmbr, but why does he has less when I put him in the comp lol

[lime zinc]

It doesn't account for beast stat cmbr

[indigo quail]

arent they both INT?

[lime zinc]

And ig certain stats increasing affect cmbr more even for the same stat class

[worthy rapids]

I tried m30 but raine still better

[indigo quail]

[lime zinc]

Maybe better at 309, M30 pretty small

It is weird that same stat class isn't the same cmbr increase though

[terse heart]

dota chad

[primal comet]

I will end you in the finals Asulgard

[little bough]

Jerome or naroko si30 first?

[native sundial]

Depends … if you got them both at A

Then do Naroko

If you got them M

Do jerome

[little bough]

They're both A. I was leaning towards naroko too, thanks

I'll wait until I have Jerome 3f to do his

[valid grail]

cld do jerome for ship 🙂

[little bough]

Oh that's true I might do that actually

[fair rapids]

@cursive wadi

[little bough]

Let him win!

[valid grail]

do you guys buy elite or superb stones in store?

[worldly belfry]

both

[still heron]

I hate superb stones

[proven vault]

I hate u

[gilded salmon]

Mean

[still heron]

Rude mfker

[proven vault]

I put a lil heart at the end

[terse heart]

Apologize now fucker

[proven vault]

or what

Ok sorry @still heron

[untold lion]

lol

[terse heart]

Good boy

Very nice of you

[still heron]

[proven vault]

Did u went to lilith meet up thing in Germany Kadezh ?

[still heron]

Nope

I think jasy was there

[proven vault]

[lime zinc]

I should've taken a bus there

[still heron]

Was u there ? @sharp rapids

[proven vault]

would have been easy for u yeah

[lime zinc]

Or a horse even

[proven vault]

if the weather was nice you could have just used a bike imo

[thorny tartan]

I mean you live right next to germany after all

[sharp rapids]

I actually got few days off so Im not in DE

[lime zinc]

Yeah it's only like a 20hr flight, so a bike would've been pretty quick

[proven vault]

at least 2 yeah

[proven vault]

[copper sphinx]

[civic badger]

Where to sub lib and daemia?

[terse heart]

Wish you'd take a bike ride to my house

[sour jay]

I feel like we should get paid more than 1000 diamonds to be Lilith's QA team

They're just gonna keep releasing half baked features and let us fix them with feedback

[terse heart]

Just dont give feedback

[glad plank]

Honestly I don't mind the rng or needing a run to get a collection. Just remove the 24h thing and give F2p a cheaper way to get staffs.

[lime zinc]

[copper sphinx]

at least maybe we can get something manageable with feedback

[civic badger]

Still looking for an anser

*answer

[edgy pumice]

Can someone tell Lilith to remove the stupid 24h cooldown

Istg

I’m gonna tag a Lilith staff

[misty epoch]

Do it

[thorny tartan]

Where are you getting 1k gems?

[copper sphinx]

in the feedback in #collections I guess ?

[sour jay]

It says 1000 diamonds x20, does that mean 20000 diamonds

Or only 20 people get 1000 diamonds

[misty epoch]

It means 20 people gets 1k

[sour jay]

Well how do they decide the 20 ppl wtf

[misty epoch]

Rng

Just like the new collections

[sour jay]

Is there also a tiny chance to be upgraded to a fully built woke?

That's fair, someone gets a build whemira another person gets 1000 dia

[misty epoch]

Wut

[lime zinc]

Hey mr lilith staff, can you remove the collection cd
The blue name means staff right

[native sundial]

Zzz

[tawdry hatch]

easy vote

[tawny flame]

or just remove them all together 🙂

[tawdry hatch]

zoker dumb

[lime zinc]

Tbf, I'm surprised they're giving any at all. But dia does incentivise people

[copper sphinx]

only 20, they're not that generous

[solid monolith]

its 20 people

[misty epoch]

Yes, that's what he said

[solid monolith]

yeah true, why get confirmation from the person that posted it

[civic badger]

jeez is ts chat dead slo

*also

[tawny flame]

surely because everyone quit after collections update 🙃

[valid grail]

whats order of pet 18?

seal>mane>owl>lion>spooder/fox?

[little bough]

Are we supposed to buy the staffs in the shop btw?

[fair rapids]

May be dumb but has alot of investments

[tawdry hatch]

just gonna brute force nihi guy u reckon?

not gonna lie I thought u said I at the start of that sentence

[lime zinc]

Something like that

[fair rapids]

If y'all have tik tok does y'all's FyP get a little to "for you"

Also what y'all running for TS? @spice finch

[sour jay]

Is yours all about recklessly spending on mobile games

[fair rapids]

Just this random guy flexing all his monster cans