treasure-scramble

[olive moat]

yeah that's not guaranteed to hit at all

[solemn sage]

crit totem is legendary

[olive moat]

i'm 2 for 4 on skillsets

well to be more specific

i'm 1 for 2 on solo skillsets

and 1 for 2 on swag runs

[solemn sage]

my only other legendary is +100% atk/def/hp

[olive moat]

i'd just put qb honestly

wouldn't use the other legendary

give yourself 3 more outs at a +1

[solemn sage]

I've done 18 runs with no skill level +1s, surely I can gamblers fallacy this

[solemn sage]

QB?

[olive moat]

quick battle

gives u 3 more stats at the end of the run

[solemn sage]

oh, don't have one

[olive moat]

its a purple

don't have it

[solemn sage]

yeah i don't have one

[olive moat]

?

unlucky

[solemn sage]

I can extraordinary encounter

[olive moat]

2 is a lot less than 3

it's exactly 1 less to be exact

[solemn sage]

3 is equal to 3 though

[olive moat]

oh i was thinking the other blue

rendezvous

got them confused

actually i think rendezvous is better than encounter

encounter gives it to u on 3 (useless), 6 (useless) and 9 (useful)

[solemn sage]

afaik you can get +1 skill at any tier

[olive moat]

i mean u can in theory spike a level up on 6

i got it on f6

i haven't got it before then

f6 and f10

my two level up runs

i need to check to see what the mythic rate is on 6

if it's zero then u can def get the level up on any floor

[rich wraith]

Watha doesn’t have any health loss dmg right ?

[olive moat]

no

normal atha does tho

[solemn sage]

I guess the question is whether Plunder is better

[olive moat]

if that hellps

[olive moat]

if u can get level ups at any floor

[rich wraith]

Dang I’m stuck with a +1 cover with erosion then

[solemn sage]

I've gotten trash from floor 10 plunders before

[olive moat]

then its 1 fewer look at a level up

and 1 more look at a generic mythic

vs encounter

yeah you can still hit greens on f10

ig encounter is prob better

[solemn sage]

yeah I'm gonna stick to my gut feeling about there being hidden bonuses to higher tier stat chance with higher tier totems

[olive moat]

[untold lion]

Is this fine or palmer should be middle (for scramble)

[solemn sage]

guess this is a hypo run

[olive moat]

mezoth is actually quite op

[shy ferry]

for crit badge i think you want the one that gives you atk on 4/7/10

[olive moat]

also desira is super sollid

[shy ferry]

right?

[solemn sage]

yep hypo run

[olive moat]

oh damn i forgot about that one. yeah if ur prioing just the stat that one seems great. but it doesn't give u outs at level up

[solemn sage]

too late

also if that one's purple I don't have it

okay I'm repeatedly getting more heroes instead of hero upgrades

please don't doom my totem'd up run lilith

[olive moat]

incidentally my last run was a lots of heroes and no upgrades run

and turned into a hypo desira run at the end

[olive moat]

lmao dogshit totem

[solemn sage]

this is a hypo talene run because talene only one getting upgrades

okay saved

[olive moat]

i wonder if the krakens will run like worker/blessing with either crit or energy. just saying fuck it i have the totems to spare forget these gift runs let me just rng a double skill up from blessing and maximize my mythic stat potential

[solemn sage]

oh neat found the second hypo buff

both at once seems OP

[olive moat]

is energy considered an offensive or defensive stat

[solemn sage]

I don't know

haven't gotten the totem for it

[old fog]

with supreme skillset too… worst one so far

[olive moat]

skillset is super not guaranteed. that's my main takeaway today. it will let u down when u need it the most

[solemn sage]

confirmed

[olive moat]

what's your record on skillset runs?

[solemn sage]

0/2

[olive moat]

oof

that's real tough

[solemn sage]

also crit totem got me a grand total of zero crit stats

[olive moat]

well you did only get 4 L or higher stats

so ig not too surprising

[obtuse mauve]

Is there a downside to pulling totems whenever?

[solemn sage]

you can only pull from wishlist once or twice per week

[olive moat]

not really

[solemn sage]

aside from that no

[olive moat]

it seems like you can max wishlist pretty easily each week if you're buying staffs with diamonds

[solemn sage]

another skillset cover, another flop

[olive moat]

yeah its tough

i kind of think that cover is the perfect collection for swag runs

if you miss the skill up

it's fine

[solemn sage]

time to yolo a full blue run on cover and luck into a better one

[olive moat]

+1 is what you want

but getting +2 is also great so it doesn't waste worker either necessarily

[solemn sage]

swag runs should be reserved for the ones where +2 is the best

imo

[olive moat]

yeah that's also fair

although rn i feel like the list of collections who you would really want to use that for

is like 1. armor for baden 2. eyes for bel

end of list

[solemn sage]

yeah the real answer is swag totems should be saved for new collections

[olive moat]

fr

like are you gonna blow swag for fucking vault

[mossy bridge]

i still need to pull 160 times to unlock wl fuck me

[olive moat]

i mean the +2 is good, makes it good in cr

but like come on

[solemn sage]

yellow stat possible on floor 1 first battle

[olive moat]

[mossy bridge]

good t hing about vault is there are like a quadrillion supports so u can always find use for it

[olive moat]

what have you been doing

[mossy bridge]

i have 46 staffs im hoarding

[olive moat]

[lofty silo]

Is this decent?

[olive moat]

yeah it shows the probabilities in the corner

[mossy bridge]

so gooood

[solemn sage]

oh

floor 2 legendary is 2.3%

[lofty silo]

Sad its on my alt

[solemn sage]

so I guess I got very lucky

[olive moat]

lucker dog getting it on f1 tbh

[solemn sage]

and I got an upgrade ritual

[lofty silo]

Is there a « lvl 2 » skill up?

[olive moat]

if u didn't go nuts on totems

[solemn sage]

I now have floor 3 mythic def

[olive moat]

then yeah it's great

[lofty silo]

[olive moat]

that's about as good as the armor i built when i did go nuts on totems

[solemn sage]

you get +2 by using the totem that gives you an extra wildcard slot

[lofty silo]

That was 2 yellow too

[solemn sage]

and slotting in two +1s

[lofty silo]

So that’s 3 yellow totem? Damn

[mossy bridge]

i didnt see a single skillup in my 8 runs how tf ar eu guys getting so many

[old fog]

another supreme skillset gone… this goddamn +1 cover does not wanna show

[solemn sage]

no you can't use multiple of the same totem

[lofty silo]

Or you can’t slot 2 of the same so u need luck?

[old fog]

none here either

[solemn sage]

gotta luck into finding the second +1

[lofty silo]

Omfg

This is the worst

[olive moat]

This was the result of my swag run

[lofty silo]

Getting skill level without a gift is insane

[indigo quail]

gl

[olive moat]

i did use gift

[lofty silo]

I didn’t haha

[mossy bridge]

bro wtfff

[solemn sage]

I've done 20 runs, two of them with the +100% purple totem, and zero skill level +1s

[olive moat]

lucker dog tbh

[old fog]

wtf man

[lofty silo]

[restive goblet]

Do we get any besides from the shop once the quests are done?

[olive moat]

how the hell does this even happen

[solemn sage]

only shop and $

[limpid loom]

Naroko or Daimon for champaign

[indigo quail]

[mossy bridge]

champaign

[lofty silo]

Good totems

[olive moat]

ur no skill player we know this already

[lofty silo]

[solemn sage]

even with perfect totems, that many mythics is insanity

[olive moat]

it's blessing + worker

u can see three of the mythics are dupes

they hit 3 mythics and hit the blessing dupe 3 times

[sour jay]

Fish fillet got +2 with just blue totems, poor guy couldn't even use the second +1 ability

[restive goblet]

How do we max the wishlist each week with 21 staffs

[solemn sage]

yeah hitting the dupe that many times is insane RNG

[solemn sage]

you only get 1 wishlist pull per week without buying the pass

[olive moat]

literal 1 in 1000

bs

[sour jay]

Everything about this gamemode seems specifically intended to drive people to quit

[olive moat]

also ithat %atk and %hp iin that pic?

[sour jay]

I don't understand what Lilith is thinking

[solemn sage]

yeah

and DR

[sour jay]

This isn't making people want to spend, it's terrible value

[olive moat]

reverse engineering their totems it looks like they ran blessing worker crowningdescent

[restive goblet]

Oh ok

Is there a pity?

[sour jay]

Whales are 100% gonna quit over this

[solemn sage]

unknown

[olive moat]

i'll bet they hit the crowningfinal descent tier up from an l atk/hp

oops i mean final descent

[mossy bridge]

there are enough players that a few will have hit perfect colls already

[indigo quail]

I see some whales planning to quit already

[solemn sage]

I wonder how order of operations works

[mossy bridge]

lmfao for real, if u told me to make a gamemode that would make people quit without being too obvious, i'd make this

[olive moat]

it looks like it works favorably

[solemn sage]

does doubling a totem happen before the rank up happens, or after?

[olive moat]

tiers u up and then doubles

[mossy bridge]

idk why the perk store is so dogshit value, like whats the point

[solemn sage]

Floor 5 is first floor with mythic chance

[mossy bridge]

at least the f2ps cant complain too much

[sour jay]

I can too

I'm f2p now

[mossy bridge]

[sour jay]

I just can't comprehend anyone designing this and thinking it's fine

I know everyone jokes about engraveyard but this seems functionally way worse

[thin ermine]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1137640870426984468/1149062391200501800/eff608500fb30f24ce2734c88d95d143ac4b0339.gif

[mossy bridge]

it feels kinda rushed out, maybe they were already late on the deadlines or something

but it feels like it needs a lot of work still

[sour jay]

Hi farararara

[mossy bridge]

u can tell even from the translations and wording and shit

[thin ermine]

id imagine ppl were continuously asking when is new pcreep lol

[thin ermine]

[shy ferry]

I feel like im the only one who's not a doomer about this new collection system

[sour jay]

My bet is dislyte flopped and there was a lot of internal movement

[queen crystal]

this is going to make copying clears a nightmare

[mossy bridge]

nah i like it too, its fun, but a lot of it is objectively poorly thought out

[shy ferry]

I actually think that on the whole its good

[thin ermine]

wouldnt be surprised

[sour jay]

It has potential to be fun but then they added a bunch of shit that makes it miserable

[shy ferry]

Its crazy that you can't insta whale to max everything honestly

Even whales capped at 10/week

[sour jay]

If they let me run the show it'd be so much better

[mossy bridge]

we cant even take over the discord server let alone the game

[solemn sage]

I've got one mythic and two legendary erosions on this might relic

I guess abrutus gets it

[sour jay]

I'll convince asulgard to buy out Lilith and give it to me

[thin ermine]

at least theyre taking a quick headstart on fixing MS

[thin ermine]

[mossy bridge]

i wonder what would happen if asulgard was like "yo delete this"

[thin ermine]

he doesnt have time to check discord

[sour jay]

It took casuals sacrificing themselves to fix engraving

Ami it's your turn, you must die

[old fog]

i like it tbh, despite my atrocious luck

[solemn sage]

Floor 9

[rich wraith]

naroko's shield pilfer counts as healthloss right

[shy ferry]

I dont think so, for the same reason it would be bad for me to run it

Users are good at identifying problems

[thin ermine]

oh forgot to ask. u pulled ur lavatune yet?

[shy ferry]

Bad at solutions

[thin ermine]

[sour jay]

To m+, I only had like 300 something pulls

[solemn sage]

wtf lilith

[thin ermine]

m+ with 300+ is real good! congrats!

[solemn sage]

I can only use 4 erosions

[sour jay]

Yeah it's good. Prob closer to 400 than 300 tho

[thin ermine]

[solemn sage]

okay I got a combination upgrade

[thin ermine]

[solemn sage]

fuck it full erosion

[olive moat]

dislyte died

?

[olive moat]

[sour jay]

I don't think entirely but it's on its way I'm sure

[olive moat]

holy shit is this erosion erosion full erosion hp ?? four mythics?

[solemn sage]

If we ever get a better might life loss hero than abrutus I'm feasting

[olive moat]

wtf hacker

[solemn sage]

floor 10

[olive moat]

too bad it's a +0

[thin ermine]

[solemn sage]

lmao another one

[thin ermine]

[thin ermine]

what is this. errosive run lol

smokes lolol

funny collection errosion abilities lol

[olive moat]

how th fuck did you get 5 erosions

are these just random totems

[solemn sage]

blue totems

[olive moat]

wtf

wait its on cover lol

ig for cruke

[solemn sage]

I combined three yellow erosions into a mythic one

cruke is tank

this is my abrutus artifact now

[olive moat]

oh shit true

ig cover +0 and dancer +0 for a cr support is functionally equivalent

[old fog]

4 runs into cover, 2 of which i used supreme skillset and not a single level upgrade

[olive moat]

good collection for like queen if u run her in bert rounds

[wise whale]

@thin ermine can I dm sir

[thin ermine]

fun arti. i kinda like the fun from it but grinding the details is just terrible

[sour jay]

+1 is a fucking myth

[solemn sage]

I swapped a mythic full erosion for a green single erosion

[thin ermine]

u always do lol no needa ask

[solemn sage]

and then found another mythic full erosion

[olive moat]

Swag does stack

[solemn sage]

I can never trust lilith support

[thin ermine]

^^^this

[olive moat]

well there's like no way for us to figure out

so we might as well trust them

unless you wanna do a ridiculously high effort crowdsource data project

or deobfuscate their entire code

[solemn sage]

I've decided I'm just gonna keep blowing runs on covers until I luck into a +1

[olive moat]

true gambler's mentality

an hour ago you were like "ts sucks fuck cover"

[solemn sage]

I'm in AE guild

[trim ferry]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/974081672972763186/1153897306043711528/chickendance.gif

[olive moat]

yeah and the next ae is not close

[solemn sage]

???

we just got beta

that means next AE is close

they do 3 in a row

beta -> ranked -> ranked with manual

then long break

[olive moat]

you're thinking way too long term

[mossy bridge]

does anyone else have a perma notification on merchants since reset

[olive moat]

u have a bunch of crs in the next few weeks

[shy ferry]

jesus

[olive moat]

go get yourself another dancer

some eyes

[solemn sage]

hold me closer tiny dancer

[shy ferry]

anyway, we gotta build a bunch of Bondages with Team Erosion right? for Baden?

[restive goblet]

Restart the game it’s probably Lavatune’s ship

[olive moat]

asulgard is still topping the cr leaderboard with zero collections so imma go ahead and say collections are officially a bust in cr

[solemn sage]

lilith needs to fix this shit

shouldn't be able to get this ritual before you have any stats

[rich tree]

he's probably built it and waiting to lose #1 spot then slap them on

[old fog]

that’s what i did, 4 runs and nothing even with. couple of supreme skillset totems

[mossy bridge]

ooops ty ty

[thin ermine]

yeah very good point. we should get a feedback on new system compiled together so they can hear it out. not too much work for them id think

[rich tree]

is it even worth doing blue totem runs

[thin ermine]

ofc

[solemn sage]

oh

[rich tree]

or just convert them to purples

[thin ermine]

dont convert!!!

[solemn sage]

apparently the random totem every X floors can give crit/ERR totems

now I just need to find a swap so I can make it mythic

[thin ermine]

we dont have enough totems yet to combine stuff as we like. u want more arti before u do that

[carmine shale]

Are the new artifacts actually good though compared to the OGs?

[mossy bridge]

yep, I got an ERR on one of those earlier too

[solemn sage]

you can use them in modes that OG artifacts aren't allowed in

[mossy bridge]

mind boggingly better, the old ones are actual literal garbage now

except like... call

[carmine shale]

Put this bad boy on mulan

[solemn sage]

I suspect OG artifacts will still be very useful in campaign/KT

obviously call

[carmine shale]

What exactly is erosion? Is it a better version of ATK?

[solemn sage]

but some of the other ones are still quite good too

[sour jay]

too bad nobody will want to spend 24 hrs waiting to swap just for that

well, prob jd cause he simps campaign

[mossy bridge]

erosion increases damage for things that do health loss, which is kinda like true damage, it's bad for most heroes except the ones that have it in their kits

[solemn sage]

the new artifacts give much more stats

[solemn sage]

"Health loss" is a type of damage that some heroes do

but not many

[thin ermine]

current stats in collection dont have haste bonus so im thinking arti with haste wont get replaced anytime soon

[sour jay]

it's gonna be annoying for daemia, unless one of the new ones ends up being better for TR. I

[thin ermine]

annoying for dae, emi and a couple ones...thinking about it makes me tired lol

[solemn sage]

oh right people actually do TR

just get fabled

[lime zinc]

Idk why Dae even uses book for TR

[thin ermine]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1137640870426984468/1151738216311951421/Fnr4cZ4m37XTYyoJaFJyUPPgmTTk.gif_copy.gif

[thin ermine]

[sour jay]

i think early ult so she doesn't get stuck in some skill animation

[lime zinc]

I need to sleep more

[olive moat]

this is so fucking tilting

[lime zinc]

It's book even on Idre tho

[mossy bridge]

happened to me a couple times, fucking annoying

[thin ermine]

go get sleep!! i feel much better after getting rested today...

[fresh yarrow]

should i be putting my attention to this new artifact thing

[olive moat]

encounter op actually

[lime zinc]

I forgot my alarm was set to 1pm so I woke up way too early

[fresh yarrow]

1pm is early..?

[olive moat]

important diff between old artis and new collections is that old artis can give haste. call, eye, cb. they all have a decent shot of sticking around

also book for heroes who still need the initial energy

[mossy bridge]

who needs haste on artis when larvatuna gives 85 haste

[solemn sage]

and of course when I find a low tier ERR stat I don't find any tier swap events for rest of the run'

[olive moat]

u know whats better than 85 haste

[rich tree]

86 haste

[lime zinc]

100 haste

[olive moat]

110 haste

[mossy bridge]

72938457 haste

[solemn sage]

Offensive

[olive moat]

i had to check how much haste eye gives

[olive moat]

good to know

[solemn sage]

another cover with no skill +1

[olive moat]

ass collection

[lime zinc]

I've never seen ERR or +1

[olive moat]

did u use the same totem loadout?

[solemn sage]

full blues

[sour jay]

I've seen quite a few ERR, but no +1

[solemn sage]

ERR is only found via totem drops

[olive moat]

gotta use energy or encounter. i bet attacker's asset can generate it as well, if encounter can

[sour jay]

potato did you math out how good ERR even is, it seems low

[olive moat]

that's not a potato kind of task

that's a bob thing

[solemn sage]

either the specific ERR legendary totem, or the totems that drop random skills on certain floors/end of run

honestly I suspect ERR is trash

if it only affects normal energy income

[lime zinc]

Oh not even from upgrading?

[olive moat]

if it just applies to intrinsic energy generation from getting hit and hitting people

then yeah

[solemn sage]

if it boosts energy from things like rowan pot then it's great

[olive moat]

if we're talking all sources of energy

its stonks

[shy ferry]

i dont think the new saurus artifact is as good for dmg as chaos bringer

[lime zinc]

I assumed it'd be all sources like AwBel's SP

[lusty jungle]

Big PP !

[olive moat]

no +1 i sleep

[dusk tundra]

Hi

[lusty jungle]

[shy ferry]

oh wait is ERR additive? it might be really really good in ice

[lime zinc]

I'm going to be sleeping for a month

[shy ferry]

-50% ERR + 10% ERR = basically double effect

[solemn sage]

yeah chaos, dual divinity, barricade, and mage artifacts are probably still situationally the better artifacts

but you can't use them in CR/NC/TS

so new stuff still OP

[shy ferry]

yeah winged warden skill is honestly kind of similar vibes to the collections

[sour jay]

i'll never have barricade again in tower, sadge

[solemn sage]

new ones give much better stats but the skill effects aren't all better than ToG artifacts

[shy ferry]

evryone knows theyre gonna fix that tho

i wish trials of god would gibe rewards for going to lv 60

[sour jay]

idk even if they make it 1 hr i'll still never swap

only if they rremove the cd entirely

[solemn sage]

Level 60 reward: Can use the artifact in all modes

[shy ferry]

honestly would be good unironically

[solemn sage]

I honestly expect artifacts in all modes to come at some point now

[mossy bridge]

even if they remove the CD i wont swap unless they let us name/organize the collections somehow

[solemn sage]

as the "resonance" equivalent for this creep

[olive moat]

?

[shy ferry]

we never got engraving reso

[solemn sage]

resonance was their way of letting smaller accounts have some ability to keep up with pets

old artifacts in all modes would let smaller accounts still compete with whale collections

[shy ferry]

i really wish there was a good use for my +1 oden erosion artifact

[mossy bridge]

collections are already kinda independent to "regular" power creep, in the sense that if a stronger hero shows up, you can just give him a collection u already made for someone else

[solemn sage]

until we get new, better collections that you have to build

and +2 becomes more and more mandatory

[mossy bridge]

dont say it

[shy ferry]

+2 is such bs

[olive moat]

real

the good thing is that atm u kind of only need +2 on 1 copy of eyes and 1 copy of armor

the rest u can roll with good stats +0

or +1 in the case of might artis

[sour jay]

linda?

[olive moat]

someone propose a name i can use to refer to all of these collectively

[solemn sage]

upgrade totems

[mossy bridge]

the FDMCLoLSoSDR group

[rich wraith]

stat totems

[shy ferry]

im not convinced abel wants that erosion over MP or ATK...

[sour jay]

the question is does the +1 make it better

and I don't know

[solemn sage]

failed mid floor 10 because no upgrade, E80 cruke couldn't carry four mythics

[shy ferry]

i mean i dunno what if abel in ice is somehow doing most of her dmg from health loss, and the +1 makes energy drain more which is oper in ice

[mossy bridge]

abelinda doesnt deal any health loss at all

[shy ferry]

honestly its weird that miracle worker isn't like a tier above the rest

[shy ferry]

SI does

[mossy bridge]

oh yeah

oops

[olive moat]

dont put that evil on me

[tender arch]

[olive moat]

ur gonna give lilith idea

[tawdry hatch]

Idk what this means but this is good right?

[rotund island]

Yeah, bottom left is pretty good

[lime zinc]

Wtf double yellow

[thin ermine]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1137640870426984468/1149062391200501800/eff608500fb30f24ce2734c88d95d143ac4b0339.gif

lucky...

[olive moat]

wtf double skillset

time for u to spam some cover runs

what do we think is the best non-skillset purple and blue loadout 🐧

[mossy bridge]

plunder, encounter and quickj battle

imo

attacker asset pretty good too tbh if going for like a +0

[rich wraith]

Extra ordinary encounter stands out to me

[mossy bridge]

its pretty much worse than plunder even though its a tier higher, assuming you finish your runs

[olive moat]

yeah i'm going for +0s

trying to maximize my stats

[mossy bridge]

plunder = 2 floor 10 drops
encounter = 1 f 3, 1 f 6, 1 f 9 drop

with plunder and quick battle u get 5 stats at the end of the run

i tested it and it stacks

[rich wraith]

Wait plunder procs at the end of the run no ?

[mossy bridge]

yeah

[olive moat]

no mention for attacker's asset?

[mossy bridge]

i did mention it but i never tried it cuz i never got one

[olive moat]

hmm
ee: 3/6/9
qb: 10/10/10
loot: 2.5/7.5
aa: 4/7/10 (E or higher guaranteed)
gg: 3/6/9 (E or higher guaranteed, but defensive stat)
rendezvous: 5/10
plunder: 10/10
rewards: 40 isn't divisible by 33 so its hard to map. its bad tho

future potato blue/purple totem stats

[rich wraith]

So the best combo is the one that gives the most runes I’m assuming

[olive moat]

asset and qb seem like the best

you want a high quantity of high level stats

[mossy bridge]

asset+qb+plunder maybe

[rich wraith]

What abt for +1 hunting

[olive moat]

loot and rewards look bad, and they are if you're running triple purps, but they have synergy with upgrade runes so that's why they exist

+1 hunting probably qb plunder skillset

[mossy bridge]

actually wait. gift could be pretty good, because if you get an elite on floor 3, there's a good chance u can upgrade it before the end of the run and potentially get a decent L stat

[olive moat]

ok i need to rename these

[tender arch]

goddamn #classic-questions is worst then i remember

[olive moat]

gift is confusing

[mossy bridge]

like regardless of it being defensive, it becomes something else

the defensive one that gives E or higher at floors 3/6/9

yeah the names arent intuitive at all and the drawings for the totems all look basically the same, it sucks ass

having a bunch of E stats lying around from early on can be good to combine them or upgrade them and shit like that

[rich wraith]

I’ll just wait for guide

[olive moat]

i think qb/aa/gg looks pretty good

the guide is being written in front of you in real-time

[mossy bridge]

[rich wraith]

I’m waiting in real time

[olive moat]

i really wish I had the probabilities in front of me rn

i'll ss them all on my next run

[mossy bridge]

perp was posting them earlier u can probably find them on his messages

[lapis island]

So many recent support releases next should be a DPS

[olive moat]

cuz its possible to straight up calc the chances of each stat tier for each of these totems

[mossy bridge]

except aa/gg because god knows how they change the probability to make it elite or higher

[olive moat]

my guess is that aa and gg will both simply upgrade the stat tier to E if the rng roll is less than E. so it won't give you better odds of getting a l or m

[mossy bridge]

probably yeah

[olive moat]

based on that you're just working off the chance that you get a lucky fusion event

[mossy bridge]

but an E roll in floor 3 increases your chance of ending the run with more M stats, in a hard to quantify way

[olive moat]

i think i get like 1 or 2 of them a run

[rich wraith]

Carries like Bert I think is the new wave, bonker dmg and utilities

[olive moat]

i mean it only matters for if you get a fusion event that you wouldn't have the necessary quantity for right

[mossy bridge]

matters for upgrade too, because it randomizes what you get

[olive moat]

upgrade?

[indigo quail]

no red

[mossy bridge]

the upgrade event. you put in a stat of a certain tier and gives a random stat of the next tier

[olive moat]

huh???

[mossy bridge]

for example u put in an E defense, and u can get an L IS

[olive moat]

bruh i've never gotten that event

wtf

[mossy bridge]

for real?

[olive moat]

all i get are 3-to-1 fusions and rerolls

[mossy bridge]

is it rare? i got it like a bunch of times

[olive moat]

this is bullshit

[rotund island]

I got 3 in my last run

[olive moat]

banne

d

[mossy bridge]

but yeah thats what I meant when I said a floor 3 elite can be really good, if u get 2 upgrade events thats potentially an M stat

[olive moat]

damn ok

[mossy bridge]

or at least a decent chance of a good L stat

[olive moat]

well surely variance will even out for me and ill get that event

:copium:

[mossy bridge]

suuuuure

[olive moat]

if that's the case then i like qb/aa/gg

[mossy bridge]

yeah, i think its also worth using up the plunders though, cuz its a good one and basically free

idk if u can do 7-ish runs with 3 elite totems

per week

[olive moat]

yeah i definitely won't be able to

i don't think anyone except extreme whales can

[mossy bridge]

qb/aa/gg + replace what ur missing with plunder

or something

[olive moat]

but i do feel that i'd like to centralize power into runs rather than evently distributing it

so as many qb/aa/gg runs as possible

i wonder if its worth converting rendezvous and rewards

[mossy bridge]

hmmm yeah true, its nice that it doesnt have any totems in common with the swag runs too

[olive moat]

like you're never gonna use those up

[mossy bridge]

probably but isnt it like, 500 blues for a random yellow?

[olive moat]

ig the only barrier is whether they expand the totem pool to add better purples

[olive moat]

i moreso mean converting them for extra purples

[mossy bridge]

oohhh true

[olive moat]

like if it hits a qb/aa/gg/ss then that's pretty great

[mossy bridge]

yeah probably worth it I think, reward is literally ass

[olive moat]

it synergizes with upgrade totems

my op upgrade/rewards/loot run

very good use of a gold upgrade totem

[mossy bridge]

[solemn sage]

3 store refreshes is 21 totems per week

[rich tree]

what do we think of full buffer on zol

[old fog]

you guys are getting into the guts of this jeeez

[solemn sage]

so using 3 totems per run is net neutral totems

[mossy bridge]

buffer is pretty bad from what ive seen

[solemn sage]

if buying from store

I'd rather do full blue totem runs than upgrade blue

[olive moat]

if they don't introduce non-store ways to get totems

its a super scam

[mossy bridge]

someone write a 50-page guide on this shit

[shy ferry]

they added it to mystic starzone they said

[mossy bridge]

yeah its gonna be in the random chests

[olive moat]

fuck mystic starzone

give me a real way to get them

[solemn sage]

buffer only affects the "health loss" type of damage, its main use will be to counter daemia/mae teams

in pvp

[sour jay]

And saf

[dark kraken]

trish op

[rich wraith]

Is healthloss basically bleed in other games

[mossy bridge]

mroe like true damage

[solemn sage]

most bleeds are health loss, not all health loss is bleeds

[rich wraith]

[sour jay]

True DMG is a different thing

[rich wraith]

So bleed with true dmg ??

[sour jay]

Belindas true DMG isn't health loss but she does have other health loss

[mossy bridge]

brain hurty

[sour jay]

But Mae fire isn't a bleed, but it's health loss

[solemn sage]

in afk, burns are just bleeds with a different name

[mossy bridge]

there's a list somewhere showing all heroes that do health loss

[sour jay]

Basically anything that says "X loses Y% health" vs "does X DMG"

[solemn sage]

If skill says "Does damage" it's normal damage that's affected by def/resist

if skill says "enemy loses health" it's health loss

def/resist won't affect it

[rich tree]

Created my first pile of shit

[olive moat]

[tender arch]

next e30?

[old fog]

nice pile of shit

[rich tree]

7 more to go

[sour jay]

Looks decent to me

[old fog]

ldv prolly

[sour jay]

I have no idea wtf I'm doing in this trash mode, I just throw random stats in

[solemn sage]

this is health loss that isn't a bleed

[indigo quail]

1v5, guess who wins

[sour jay]

I don't know what heroes need or what is best between the million attack and defense stats

[mossy bridge]

oh i get it then

its not true damage but its like, defense ignoring damage

[rich tree]

are all the free ones we get the same or RNG

[mossy bridge]

or not just defense, like it's atk/defense independent

[olive moat]

oh boy its another mortas carry praying for a cruke drop run for me

[solemn sage]

in theory with 90% erosion, ainz's passive would do 100% damage to all enemies

[mossy bridge]

unless it scales off atk rating like with abel

[solemn sage]

but that's the other thing with health loss, it can't kill things

it leaves them at 1 hp

[rich tree]

nvm i checked, all the same

[olive moat]

curke saved

[sour jay]

Ainz does have a cap on tgoalid tho

[rich wraith]

Is that also why Bert link can bring health below threshold created by daemia’s ult ?

[sour jay]

I'm not sure if erosion would change the cap?

[mossy bridge]

1600% of his atk rating or something right?

[solemn sage]

yes, damage done through bert/lorsan link counts as health loss

[rich wraith]

[olive moat]

tgoalid is bleed in the sense that if you get your arm cut off you will bleed

[gilded salmon]

[sour jay]

Actually that's a good question, does erosion just act as a DMG multiplier (so cap is 1600% DMG * erosion) ?

[rich wraith]

Idek why I’m asking these questions

[solemn sage]

that's a question for lilith support

[rich tree]

who would use this tho lol

[olive moat]

support doesn't know the fucking answer

that's a question for bob

[solemn sage]

but the fun thing with lilith support is that most of the time they're also just guessing

if 5 people ask support the same question they'll get 5 different answers

[rich tree]

[mossy bridge]

looks like a "slap on alna and hope for the best" angle to me

what happens if we DM a dev directly would they answer

[olive moat]

bruh oden is so op in gulag gallery

so much incidental synergy

he still the goat fr

[mossy bridge]

this dude looks like a developer

[thin ermine]

[solemn sage]

that's profiling

and it's valid

[thin ermine]

[mossy bridge]

[solemn sage]

[olive moat]

why is trap even a thing

just eating up a space being completely useless

so dumb

[gilded salmon]

What you don't like randomly losing 3 health through the run with no counter play?

[olive moat]

i don't even care about the hp loss

[solemn sage]

health is irrelevant if you never lose

[mossy bridge]

don't forget about getting a bunch of +2s when you're already at 10 invis!

[olive moat]

im more annoyed that its not a space that contributes to getting good stats

im yet to drop a single fight

[solemn sage]

and if you're losing fights, then the traps probably won't make the difference to your runs success either

just a waste of a tile

[olive moat]

if its an option between keeping all traps and only getting rid of the traps which heal u id vote forthe latter

[shy ferry]

i hope some r44 whales rage quit over the collection system so i can secure t100

[olive moat]

might be me

i will be angry at missing out on +2 armor on a swag run until the day i die

[rich wraith]

i just realized lilith just monetized lab and call it ghoulish gallery

[thin ermine]

[valid grail]

whats the average bait cost for 1 pet copy?

[sour jay]

400ish, 300ish counting the spice you get

[olive moat]

First qb aa gg run

Yuck

[shy ferry]

qb aa gg

[solemn sage]

potato loves his acronyms

[shy ferry]

those are just letters

mfer

did you enjoy your f qag r

[olive moat]

yeah and if i typed it out it would still just be letters

[olive moat]

thats how language works

[solemn sage]

quick battle attacker's asset guardian gift

triple purple

[olive moat]

perp knows

[solemn sage]

I didn't know that's why I re-pasted the list

[mossy bridge]

all about swag runs and then qbaagg in the down time

[olive moat]

hp def or full def

[olive moat]

real shit

qbag

easier acronym

[solemn sage]

def is generally trash

in pvp it's alright

[olive moat]

who are the mages that want a shitload of bulk stats

also i got zero offensive l stats

[mossy bridge]

aezizh

[olive moat]

wtf

[solemn sage]

yeah that's the other annoying RNG thing that can happen

a bunch of red/yellow stats but they're all offense or all defense

so you can't take them all

[rich tree]

poop #2

[mossy bridge]

half decent

[olive moat]

that one has some atk stats at least

whats the site dae made

[sour jay]

Didn't the other one have big pp

[olive moat]

with the heroes andtheir skils

[rich tree]

yes

[olive moat]

afk something

[rich tree]

big pp and big atk

[tawdry hatch]

Did someone say big pp?

[mossy bridge]

my rem has massive pp

[olive moat]

i want to look at all the mages to figure out what stats to put on this thing

[rich tree]

i almost ended up with big buffer but got a swap to attack

[olive moat]

lucker dog

[sour jay]

I like big pp

[rich tree]

of course u do

[solemn sage]

But yeah the problem with def is that we don't really have many in-battle buffs for it

[shy ferry]

do you like this

[solemn sage]

meanwhile all our carries are getting crazy attack/damage buffs

so they just outscale your def so hard

and in deficit modes it's just useless

[rich tree]

man should i even be running triple blues

should i mix some purples lol

[mossy bridge]

are there even any good defensive stats we can get? besides TY and the new one

[shy ferry]

i got massive MP for Palmer

[solemn sage]

triple blues work sometimes

[shy ferry]

dissolve might not be bad either

[olive moat]

i'm not sure how highly to rate dissolve

[mossy bridge]

u can try quick battle + aa + gg (i forgot what the full name of the last 2 were)

[rich tree]

wdf

[shy ferry]

wtf triple red erosion too bad theres no health loss warrior

[olive moat]

dissolve in afk is what ty is in league. and ty in league is super broken

[solemn sage]

abrutus

[shy ferry]

should this go on Palmer or on Ivan? Im honestly not sure

[solemn sage]

problem with dissolve is that most modes we can just retry until shit works

it's only really good in pvp because of that

[shy ferry]

dissolve isn't % based though it directly reduces duration

[olive moat]

what are all the meta mages

someone go look at the mage page and list them to me

[fair rapids]

280 cards +25k dias

[solemn sage]

Yeah but better to take TY and just dodge the CC

retry until the dodge works

[mossy bridge]

emi abel scarlet oden pippa yen leonardo skriath aezizh daemia mehira lorsan simona trishea khaz?

pippa omegalul

[solemn sage]

in what mode

[shy ferry]

Ivan doesnt need mp right? But i think palmer does

[solemn sage]

oops wrong reply

meant that for the meta mages

[rich tree]

did u see my rates

[fair rapids]

Yes....

[olive moat]

ok i took err err prf. this is an ldv item now

[mossy bridge]

[shy ferry]

ERR is gonna be fuckin op in ice ts

[rich tree]

get luckier

[shy ferry]

also, for trishea maybe?

[olive moat]

Ass

[solemn sage]

if ERR works on trish yeah

should be very good

[mossy bridge]

i was sure trish was a ranger since when is she a mage

[solemn sage]

okay only purple never mind

[olive moat]

since always

[solemn sage]

tiny amount

[radiant grotto]

Do I gaze a zol for collection/Rem, dudes?
can't use chally as I don't want to delay my Mulan

[indigo quail]

do you think the def purple totem one is trash

[olive moat]

nah

[fair needle]

Any reason why Occulus eye is better than Captive wings on Abel?

[solemn sage]

you thought this looked like a ranger?

[olive moat]

you won't hit the +1 anyway

perp can tell u what the +1 cover rates are

[mossy bridge]

only if you can hit the +1

[solemn sage]

they're zero

[mossy bridge]

well she's kinda green so yeah

[radiant grotto]

Fair

[solemn sage]

all wilders are green

[mossy bridge]

thats racist

[radiant grotto]

That's rough lol

[solemn sage]

do you think all wilders are rangers

[shy ferry]

how can you even get purple ERR? i thought the totem only works on L or higher

[wise whale]

[olive moat]

bc eyes increases dps

[solemn sage]

you can get ERR from the totems that give random stat drop on certain floors

[fair rapids]

Fk you

[olive moat]

aa and qb

[solemn sage]

and then you can upgrade/double it

if you find those

[mossy bridge]

honestly yes. tell me this bitch shouldnt be a ranger

she's so ranger coded

[rich tree]

[shy ferry]

also is crit rating even a good stat

[olive moat]

racism against wilders is super based

this message comes from the mauler gang

[mossy bridge]

go leech some life or whatever it is u do

[solemn sage]

on carries it can be, a lot of carries already have more than enough though

[thin ermine]

[solemn sage]

and has similar problem of being pointless in modes where you can just retry

[shy ferry]

also im still wondering whether this goes on ivan palmer or bert

[olive moat]

bert

bert is a dps so he gets collections first

[mossy bridge]

it has too much buffer which sucks a little

[shy ferry]

i thought bert would want hopper tho

[solemn sage]

Why would you want ivan to have MP

[mossy bridge]

i would put it on palmer and try for a better bert one

[solemn sage]

palmer can share MP at least

[olive moat]

do you happen to have an extra collection lying around

[shy ferry]

good question

[indigo quail]

knowledge from other games
if you have more PP, the crit will be more often ( crit rating will be higher)
does that even work on this game

[shy ferry]

yeah i spent all but 2 of my attempts on sust

[solemn sage]

that's not a mechanic here

[fair needle]

Wouldn't CC,Dmg and heal from Captive wings be better?

[solemn sage]

Crit chance vs crit block rate is the only thing that affects how often you crit

[fair rapids]

Ig I'ma try this

[solemn sage]

CDA vs CDR affects how much damage your crits do

[shy ferry]

my berta collection honestly not very good tho

[olive moat]

120% aoe dps that triggers on every ult is a very strong effect on a dps like abel

[shy ferry]

prof doesnt do anything for him right

[mossy bridge]

4 mythics wtf

[fair needle]

4 mythic

[solemn sage]

[olive moat]

perps wutus collection

[mossy bridge]

wtf

[solemn sage]

that was with triple blue totem btw

respect the blues

[olive moat]

perp took Ls all day in gulag gallery that was the only w

[thin ermine]

[fair needle]

I put in 1 purple and got 0 mythic

[mossy bridge]

that collection on asaf ughh imagine if it was a sust one

[dawn tinsel]

Should we save totems, or just use for early runs? I plan to at least save the high value ones like swag until I understand what I’m doing, but for the blues with multiple copies unsure whether it’s better to use, or save for fusion.

[thin ermine]

Everyone is so bz with new system that lava isn’t getting as much attention

[thin ermine]

Use blues. Don’t use fusion though

[solemn sage]

Fusion seems like a waste to me, unless you're whaling totems and are getting more blues than you can use

[mossy bridge]

lawho?

[olive moat]

well its definitely better to use blues than to run without any totems at all

saving blues is like. doomsday prepper levels of hoarding. jd levels of hoarding

[thin ermine]

Joux salsa new bff

[mossy bridge]

[dawn tinsel]

Perfect, thanks!

[thin ermine]

[olive moat]

cruke and athalia are my gulag mvps rn

run savers those two

[dawn tinsel]

Well, I bought toilet paper and tons of canned food when Covid hit, so…

[mossy bridge]

ive been saying normal athalia is the goat

[solemn sage]

doesn't seem like brutus's life loss is that much damage

[wise whale]

[dawn tinsel]

I’m guessing Draken has Lava maxed by now, can always check with him for testing insights.

[worldly belfry]

draken has him M

[wise whale]

Same

[thin ermine]

m

[dawn tinsel]

Disappointing.

[thin ermine]

Ik

I c bigger whales have him built but everyone is just having fun with this new system rn so

[wise whale]

Farara huge whale tho

[fair rapids]

[dawn tinsel]

[wise whale]

[fair rapids]

M30 atleast

[solemn sage]

Big lavatune = 22s R4 NC

[thin ermine]

I don’t have a single copy of lava and no asaf built either

[dawn tinsel]

Any particular blues are known to be good?

[olive moat]

well there's only 3

[solemn sage]

there's only 3 blue totems

[olive moat]

so if you're doing a blue run

[solemn sage]

you just use one of eahc

[olive moat]

you use those 3

[dawn tinsel]

Haha okay

[wise whale]

Both of mine r only mythic

[dawn tinsel]

Guess I should just do one run to learn the basics + the vocabulary before asking more questions then

[thin ermine]

Oooh nice! But nc is mehhhh. I’ve seen him in cr with Abel doing his magic

[fair rapids]

I got pretty decent rates from l+ to M for a back to back but everything else has been near pitty or avgrg

[indigo quail]

r3, r4 is 1lene

[thin ermine]

I have zero lava and L asaf u

[solemn sage]

feels weird that puppet is that old now

[thin ermine]

[indigo quail]

[olive moat]

the one time i get a random upgrade and i don't have any l stats to feed it

[solemn sage]

only a couple months left until puppet goes from being a budget player's nightmare to no longer existing

[fair rapids]

It already needs alot lol

[solemn sage]

I had a run where I just constantly got stat rerolls and didn't have any L or M stats

[fair rapids]

Spider
Lava man
Olg 309e4x/e60
Suruas si30

[olive moat]

ok im officially at the point where i'm autopiloting gulag gallery

just picked the hypo buff when my only hypo is cruke

i am not as the kids say stupidly locked in

[rich tree]

Abel stat stick

[olive moat]

nice one

[rich tree]

I accidentally pressed green Dr instead of purple

But hey more TY

[olive moat]

cdr cbr armor hp

how do we rate these stats

[lime zinc]

Armor is for shield heroes only

CDR, CBR & HP are kinda just eHP up, so they help surv a bit ig
Most dps don't really care what they get on defensive stats anyway

[shy ferry]

alt account luck

[olive moat]

wtf

[shy ferry]

account si on ch 7-1 btw

[olive moat]

i swear everyone has better mythic luck than me

[rich tree]

How many runs did u do 🥔

[olive moat]

6

[shy ferry]

first run

[solid monolith]

#1176744720559505539 you can post feedback on the new thing, but please dont spam in there or i will bop you

[rich tree]

More free staff

[worldly belfry]

SUPER SHIT

[fair needle]

This is insane. Crit PP and skill unlock

[shy ferry]

i actually had an orange crit node too but went for pp over it

(not like it matters on this acc anyway)

[abstract storm]

I hate this new mechanic already, takes too much time

[worldly belfry]

i got a fucking shit one

1 purple, 3 gold, 3 blue

[rich tree]

Time to pay someone a monthly sub to do it

[fair needle]

One more bad thing about the collections is I can't copy the tower clears anymore

[abstract storm]

I wish, can't since I don't have my email lol

[rich tree]

[golden lantern]

how to use new mechanic...

i need a noob guide please.

[rich tree]

Nihi

[golden lantern]

will pay in cookies

[golden lantern]

i need toddler guide

[fair needle]

Guides are useless for this mode since everything is rng

[rich tree]

#1137023024722350151 message

Basic enough to dabble

[golden lantern]

thank you.

[queen crystal]

already suffering from burnout and this is just accelerating it

[rich tree]

Except ERR we are questioning if it's good or not still

This kinda brought me back into the game

That or I was just to busy and tired irl that I didn't play much aside from daily

[olive moat]

how good is erosion on bert really

[fair needle]

Better than PP I think

[solemn sage]

Depends on how erosion works with links

does it use Liberta's erosion, the erosion of the ally that's linked to the enemy, or the erosion of the person healing the ally that's linked to the enemy

I guess if it's capped by liberta's attack then it should use liberta's erosion

[olive moat]

im pretty sure bert gets credited with the damage

so i assume its bert

im debating between taking erosion and full erosion on a generic vault

think im gonna take erosion

[solemn sage]

"Full" seems to always be 1/5th of the amount

[olive moat]

oops i meant full atk

[solemn sage]

so a team of 5 heroes with "full" stats would be identical to a team of 5 heroes with personal stats

optimal is having personal stats on the carry, and full stats on their supports

[olive moat]

yea

[solemn sage]

Legendary personal stat is better than mythic full stat

[fair needle]

Yeah full stats better on supports

Full Erosion on Lucilla then Erosion on Liberta

[olive moat]

ok first time running wilders. not impressed at all

mishka raku is baaaad

[fair needle]

My E80 raku carried hard

[untold lion]

Assorted

[olive moat]

i got bailed out by grez silas

[fair needle]

Celestials also pretty good

[olive moat]

atha is good

talene is ok

the rest of them are uninspiring

[untold lion]

Omg ur pfp i love it best manhwa comedy I've read so far

[fair needle]

LBs probably the most consistent if Sonya is maxed out

[olive moat]

4.4 crit or 5.84 erosion on bert

[solemn sage]

audrae can carry

[olive moat]

oh i forgot audrae

probably want the erosion on bert

the link can't crit

should i even bother with a l dissolve

or should i just take an e hp stat

[fair needle]

It might be better on the likes of Simona

[solemn sage]

then give it to someone else

[radiant grotto]

By the way, Zappy, feel free to remove the pinned post from me at #classic-questions , since Isle of Gold ended 🫡

[tawdry hatch]

yesterday's pulls

[worldly belfry]

load of bullshit

[olive moat]

tough

[indigo quail]

nice

[olive moat]

what collection

[olive moat]

pretty solid

wow great stats

hp hp on shem

super solid

[indigo quail]

pog

[olive moat]

hacking

banned

[indigo quail]

HP or ATK?

[olive moat]

atk

you already are filling out two defensive slots

[indigo quail]

ok i should have done hp

just got another atk

[worldly belfry]

hacker

[indigo quail]

atk or mp

[worldly belfry]

banned ty

[solemn sage]

MP if you're commiting to only ashem artifact

atk if you want more flexibility to use it on physical heroes

[indigo quail]

thanks

[storm moth]

@candid jungle can i get new big boi

[olive moat]

does hendrik buff above or below

[indigo quail]

Last question cbr right

[indigo quail]

above

[olive moat]

i like ty more

[olive moat]

thx

[solemn sage]

CBR generally trash

[olive moat]

mid run couldn't check

[indigo quail]

[solemn sage]

CDR is good CBR you can't get enough to make meaningful impact

[indigo quail]

so ty then

thanks

[olive moat]

do you have a mental framework for ranking hp def cbr cdr buffer

[solemn sage]

CDR > HP > CBR/Def/Buffer