treasure-scramble

[golden lantern]

thanku

[thin ermine]

[olive moat]

Call pls

[solid monolith]

its a weird spot for us, cause we do have some inactives in the event, but they do participate in other stuff, so its hard to want to kick them or make room for others because a new event requires like 3 hours of active play

[olive moat]

2 hrs in to weekly reset and I'm already mercing my 3rd Twins

[solid monolith]

why dont you ask for an arti

[olive moat]

I just assume everyone puts Call on Twins

[indigo quail]

potatogate moment

[olive moat]

When has anyone ever Merced Twins and not wanted Call on it

[indigo quail]

people pushing campaign/kt

[solid monolith]

if no one asks for an arti

i assume they either dont care or the arti they need is already on it

[olive moat]

Who mercs twins for those modes

[indigo quail]

and it automatically swaps arti

[proven hearth]

[indigo quail]

(if copying comps)

[thin ermine]

yeah ive heard (talked to jasy already). if anything ill find another one that has more spots. but i think so far u guys should be able to take my main guildies (theres like 6 of us so far thats up for swapping guilds so)

[thin ermine]

yes. they wanted eye

[solid monolith]

a bit, yeah. mostly cause hes just older, think we have similar spending amounts now

[thin ermine]

sent the one with call

[thin ermine]

[sour jay]

Why is Tuesday coming so slow

[copper sphinx]

Gn friends, 3 am did an oopsie again

[copper sphinx]

You'll get tune don't worry

[thin ermine]

sweet dreams~

[copper sphinx]

I'm not even tired forcing myself

[gilded salmon]

fr

[mossy bridge]

what happens tuesday

artis?

[solid monolith]

think roxsta said theres like 10 days between round 1 and 2 so we have a bit of time anyway to figure it out

[gilded salmon]

so its gonna be like 3 rounds total then?

[sour jay]

New hypo, plus collections yeah

I'm nervous I'll fuck up my collection and have a big disadvantage for the first week

[thin ermine]

yeah im waiting for more responses as well

[gilded salmon]

same

[mossy bridge]

same

[thin ermine]

yes

[mossy bridge]

i guess we can't go too wrong going for wokes

[gilded salmon]

gonna wait until someone makes a guide

[mossy bridge]

can't u make 7 artis per week for free?

[olive moat]

How far short is olympians from 450hr

Projected

[solid monolith]

we wont even make 400 i dont think

[olive moat]

Sad

[mossy bridge]

even Co is sorta struggling with 450

[edgy moss]

there is a tiny chance we will make 300 hours

[thin ermine]

same here lol

we're at 209 rn

[edgy moss]

we are at 208 lol

[thin ermine]

🤝

[mossy bridge]

u can make it then, barely

[thin ermine]

if we get enough miners that is

[sour jay]

Co at 339 but still the full day to go basically

[solid monolith]

we were at like 250 i think

[sour jay]

I'd be interested in seeing the % of guilds that make it to 450. Gotta be low

[solid monolith]

definitely

[mossy bridge]

im gonna not attack anyone today i think cuz we've already won and I don't wanna fuck anyones chances at getting 400 at least

[solid monolith]

most guilds are more like the two we are grouped with

[golden lantern]

they gotta be fucking acrive

[sour jay]

I already killed one poor blue flag

[olive moat]

We should just stick all the sweats in this channel into one guild. Ez 100% participation

[mossy bridge]

purp and blue don't count cuz they inactive as hell they deserve the beating

[olive moat]

No

[sour jay]

Doesn't need, do with dim emblems if you did all the better ones already (albedo Emilia Merlin rem at least)

[sour jay]

We did, it's called nihilum

[worthy rapids]

I got free card out of nowhere, either after week reset or some compesation idk

[thin ermine]

[untold lion]

New record (R7 2.9%) despite the 0%

[olive moat]

Oh we got the +2 skills

They are all broken

[thin ermine]

grats!

[untold lion]

Thanks

[solid monolith]

congrats

[untold lion]

Thank s

[thin ermine]

mulan rem prob si30

[olive moat]

U saw the +2s right

Ig this will be the diff between kraken and non kraken

[mossy bridge]

what are the +2s

gib screenshot

[olive moat]

Whether or not they have the totem volume to run miracle worker on every run

[solemn sage]

Can only get +2 with Miracle Worker totem

[sour jay]

some of those look busted, some of those look so shit. and it's gonna be rare af. fun

[solemn sage]

and only if you manage to get two skill level ups

[golden lantern]

how tf do they even work

cant wait to be more confused when it comes out

[solid monolith]

@golden lantern

[golden lantern]

Hello.

[solid monolith]

what

is this

[golden lantern]

YO

[solid monolith]

[sour jay]

what the fuck lally

[golden lantern]

SO ON MY LIFE

ON MY LIFE

[sour jay]

how tf you miss 2 big camps

[golden lantern]

I DIDNT MEAN TO DO THAT

[sour jay]

kick from lab team tbh

and never let merc again

[golden lantern]

:(

[mossy bridge]

holy fuck the bondage one WHAT

[solid monolith]

why did you get my hopes up

[sour jay]

bondage is always best

[golden lantern]

Sory... ill make it up to you next time...

[mossy bridge]

[solemn sage]

bondage is mini daimon blood shield for any tank hero

who cares about campaign though

[olive moat]

Only dancer and flight have meh +2s. The rest are op

[mossy bridge]

holy fuck the oden eye one

[sour jay]

yea

that made me pissed off

it sounded like hell just to get +1

[olive moat]

If that's per enemy on Oden. Free 150 energy every ult on bel

[thin ermine]

oh i missed joan lol. yeah do joan mulan first prob. rem 20930 works

[olive moat]

Balanced

[mossy bridge]

rowan one has a half decent +2 at least but the rest is ass

kraken collection

cant wait to RNG a couple +2s on my second week

[olive moat]

[sour jay]

Can't wait to get beat by some scrub who gets +2 by chance

[olive moat]

Oh u mean the rest of the Rowan collection is bad

Yeah

[mossy bridge]

yeah

[olive moat]

But since the +2 does something every single support will need it in cr

[mossy bridge]

[sour jay]

I already hated this but it's way worse

[olive moat]

My new evaluation of this shitty pcreep : ass

[mossy bridge]

at least the minigame looks fun

[olive moat]

Striation in power between +2s and no +2s is ridiculous

[sour jay]

Yeah I like the roguelike itself

[mossy bridge]

the zolrath one just means u get revived with max health and energy basically

5 seconds is a long ass time

[solemn sage]

managed to get a perfect run with no losses

[golden lantern]

i just vomited

[shy ferry]

the +2 mehira thing is also insane

[solemn sage]

only one red stat and three yellows though

[shy ferry]

it makes oden unkillable

every time you ult you get an instance of dmg negation

[olive moat]

Stopwatch +2 is an entire Shem sp trigger

[solemn sage]

managing to whale/RNG a full red stat collection is gonna be huge difference

[olive moat]

I'm just concerned about the seeming impossibility of whaling a full +2 collection

[shy ferry]

i am glad for f2p dominance era

luck sack > whale sack

i actually am optimistic about collections long term

[mossy bridge]

i dont get how it works, like once you finish a run and a collection, u can never modify or build on top of that collection again?

[shy ferry]

i just think it'll be a shit show short term

[mossy bridge]

just gotta do a new one?

[olive moat]

Yeah

[solemn sage]

purple -> yellow doubles the stat value
yellow -> red nearly triples it

[shy ferry]

imagine piling up hundreds of shit tier collections

[solemn sage]

nah I found out we can recycle them

100 diamonds each

[olive moat]

Aka the cost to fucking re-equip one within 24 hours

[mossy bridge]

jeez so rnging a full red one is actually pretty impossible

[shy ferry]

so you're saying we can ignore this new shit feature and instead just get 700 free diamonds a week from it?

pog

[olive moat]

The chance of rnging a full red one seems like close to zero, because you also need to rng the +2 effect

[shy ferry]

we should be glad M+ isn’t 4x M

[sour jay]

whales are gonna hate this cause they'll have to put in so much time doing runs

[mossy bridge]

i love that, grinding is my thing

[solemn sage]

they take like 7 minutes each

and at most 10 per week

[mossy bridge]

i wish u could do it for like 8 hours a day so i could do it during work

[sour jay]

oh so whale are gonna hate it cause they can't just throw money to accelerate it that much

[shy ferry]

i agree froggersies

[mossy bridge]

so to get +2, you need 2 of the skill-up thingies in the same run?

honeslty im kinda hyped for some reason this seems fun

im gonna be so dissapointed

[solemn sage]

Miracle worker for extra slot and +100% skill level up chance
Farewell Gift for guaranteed skill level up
Third totem for PP/DR or MP/DR and 10% chance to upgrade stat tiers

[solemn sage]

or one, plus the guaranteed one from totem

[shy ferry]

is there a +3?

[solemn sage]

no

[mossy bridge]

guaranteed totem is v nice

[shy ferry]

you mean "not yet"

[golden lantern]

my brain cant function this

[solemn sage]

there's 3 slots for offensive stats, 3 slots for defensive stats, and one flexible slot

[shy ferry]

imagine dying during the run you spend your guaranteed +1 totem

[solemn sage]

the skill level up can only go in the flexible slot

and the miracle worker totem adds a second flexible slot

[shy ferry]

do we think it's worth buying the hypogean dildos from store then?

[sour jay]

yeah you will be given the most shitty of shit heros when you use that totem, guaranteed

[olive moat]

Oh damn farewell gift op

[mossy bridge]

so the totems are confirmed to be consumed on use?

fuck thats scary

[olive moat]

How do u get the +2? You have to hit +1 twice?

[shy ferry]

you have to do that and use the miracle worker totem

[solemn sage]

the +1 skill works like a stat, you have to put it into one of your slots

and it can only go in the wildcard slot

miracle worker totem adds a second wildcard slot

[mossy bridge]

so you're forced to use those 2 totems if u want a +2 basically

[solemn sage]

a "perfect" totem would have either six red stats and two skill level ups, or eight red stats and no skill level ups

[olive moat]

So you have to rng a +1 skill during a fight while running miracle worker and farewell gift in order to get a +2?

[golden lantern]

are these artis used everywhere? or only like in KT and campaign

[olive moat]

Seems like I'm just gonna be running supreme skillset every run along with those two then

[mossy bridge]

everywhere

[golden lantern]

[solemn sage]

you just put two skill +1s in the two wildcard slots

[shy ferry]

or seven red stats and one skill up

[solemn sage]

in theory you can get two skill +1s in the run with RNG

without farewell gift

[latent elbow]

The pull thing gives you stats for your next run ?

[shy ferry]

i wish totems weren't consumed upon use

[olive moat]

OK so supreme skillset / miracle worker / farewell gift is the only reasonable loadouts for non -kraken then it seems. I mean not maximizing your chance for a +2 when burning a copy of gift and worker is just trolling no?

Unless you have infinite totems

[solemn sage]

it just increases the chance of better rewards from that run

[mossy bridge]

does it take a long time to get totems?

[solemn sage]

there's no way to make the runs easier

[shy ferry]

pero can you confirm whether or not you need to own zolrath to use the zolrath artifact

[mossy bridge]

i guess u can just give up on the +2 and go for a really strong stat collection with +0 or +1

[solemn sage]

yeah you gotta own the hero the skill is from

[latent elbow]

It seems too fair, how kraken will broke this ?

[shy ferry]

jesus christ so f2p have so many challenger store heroes to buy

atha, zol, orthros

[mossy bridge]

oh shit fr? does aathalia count

[solemn sage]

Not sure if supreme skillset will stack with miracle worker's +100% chance

[shy ferry]

i don't have a fuckin zolrath or orthros

[solemn sage]

no

[mossy bridge]

thankfully its one of the worst colls

[shy ferry]

how did you make that test server account two days ago and have fking level 313 rc

crazy

[solemn sage]

I've had it for a long time

[shy ferry]

early game has gotten insane

[solemn sage]

hardly ever play it though

[shy ferry]

it took me months to get that much

[solemn sage]

my test account is like 2 years old but I play it like once a month at most

[restive goblet]

Do you need the hero at A?

[solemn sage]

no, just single copy

[shy ferry]

no, you need 5* e80

[mossy bridge]

how hard is it to accumulate a few L totems? do you get enough to use good totems in all the weekly runs? or is it like a once every blue moon thing

[shy ferry]

4% chance for l totems

[restive goblet]

[olive moat]

If that's the case u can just run gift then if you're only targeting a +1. I think if you're burning a copy of worker u should be trying to maximize the +2, trying to randomly spike off just worker seems like a kraken thing

[shy ferry]

so expect 1 a week

[vagrant prawn]

Huh?

[olive moat]

Hopefully support will be willing to answer this question

[mossy bridge]

so its 2 weeks for an -attempt- at getting a +2 if ur lucky

[latent elbow]

The zolrath one seems good, it's a shame we need the hero

[shy ferry]

this game isn't called "Maxyourheroesinstantly Arena"

[shy ferry]

zolrath is good tho

[solemn sage]

there's also a mechanic like spice where you can pick a yellow totem of your choice every 80 summons

[latent elbow]

Even at e ?

[shy ferry]

so every 6 weeks you can try for a +2

[mossy bridge]

oh thats nice at least u can pick totems i like that

[sour jay]

aren't you like, always gonna take +1 totem

[solemn sage]

nah

miracle worker is better

but really you want both

[restive goblet]

#treasure-scramble message

[solemn sage]

so you take whichever of the two you're lacking

there's also a wishlist, but you need to unlock it by doing 200 summons first so not sure exactly how it works

seems like wishlist has a limited number of draws per week and then it's back to full random

[mossy bridge]

brain hurty

[latent elbow]

I'm curious to see Asulgard artis

[solemn sage]

even when you whale enough to run ideal totems every run

there's gonna be a lot of RNG involved

the only thing you can whale is totems and up to 3 more weekly runs

[latent elbow]

I guess at first you just want the effect and not really care about stats

[mossy bridge]

idk the stats are pretty insane too

[solemn sage]

stats go crazy if you can get full red stats

[olive moat]

I mean worker can just whiff. Like u said u didn't hit a single +1 in 7 attempts. So using that incredibly small sample size, the chance of a +1 is <14%. Worker doubling that to 28% is still bad odds. Feels like I'd rather take the guaranteed +1 over the chance to spike (+extra stat slot)

[solemn sage]

the extra stat slot is very good

and you get higher base stats too

[untold lion]

Patch notes tomorrow?

or next next day?

[latent elbow]

Can you reset some stats from an arti with a second run ? Or just make a new one / reset everything ?

[olive moat]

I feel like I'd rather have the +1 skill than an extra stat slot. Like cover with +1 skill is so much better than cover without skill. It's collection dependent ig

[solemn sage]

miracle worker is guaranteed 5.5% HP, 1.33% atk, 5% def

and another stat slot

even if you don't get any skill level ups

but really you just hold totems until you can run both of them at once

[olive moat]

Yeah and I'd gladly sacrifice all that for the +1 skill if it's one a collection like cover

[olive moat]

Yeah it doesn't really matter

[sour jay]

I know lilith got rid of their QA team a long time ago, but now I think the devs don't even play their game, they just look at code

[solemn sage]

wish there was a totem for prof/diss and IS/TY

if you fill 3 offense slots and both wildcard slots could theoretically get 85 proficiency

nearly double your CC length

[olive moat]

It is kind of hilarious to me how much obviously better gift and worker are than the other yellow totems. Like the other yellows are essentially fodder compared to those two

[latent elbow]

I hope pets are still the most broken thing

[mossy bridge]

just never diamond gaze again and u can do both pets and this

[olive moat]

Nah. A pet that gave all your heroes the power to revive once with full hp and energy or an equivalently powerful effect would immediately become the undisputed best ts pet

[sour jay]

should I even ask if that means they have less drop rate?

[sour jay]

that's almost what rcl does

well, minus the full energy

and not full health 😄

[solemn sage]

All the 10% chance stuff just seems way too RNG

[sour jay]

rlly just feels like they put rng on rng on rng... bullshit

[solemn sage]

like, the run I just did I got three yellow stats and one red stat

but that red stat was actually from upgrades throughout the run, it went purple -> yellow -> red

so that's just the 3 yellows, each with a 10% chance to upgrade if I took a blessing totem

[mossy bridge]

yeah those totems are literally just junk lol

id rather run the better elite ones

[sour jay]

i doubt I spend diamonds for more

[mossy bridge]

i think im gonna spend all my diamonds on bait and staffs and just give up on celehypos

seems way more future proof

lavatune will be about a good as wukong in about 2 years anyways

[sour jay]

Fake news

Meanwhile in 2 yrs you'll be playing Diablo 3 trying to get a +0.01 stat increase on a collection cause that's all you can upgrade

[olive moat]

I mean. Whales have no choice but to spend on this shit no? Getting to see all the totems is really illuminating for me bc I get to essentially simplify the whole creep down to "how frequently can you do a worker/gift run". Because only the totems you get on your worker gift runs are gonna be the ones you run long term. Your +2 totems are essentially the e60s/9fs for totems. So your rate of worker gift runs per every 2 weeks has to be 1 or higher if you want to full build every hero which is what the whales do. In practice you won't hit on all your worker gift runs. Maybe u can throw in skillset and that improves ur rate but u get the point. Functionally you'll have to do more than 1 skillset worker gift run per two weeks to +2 every new hero

[sour jay]

Also there will be at least 6 more abilities in each class, most likely

[mossy bridge]

imagine if they locked this behind shadow invasions instead of making the roguelike thing

[olive moat]

Side note I'd like to propose a new entry into afk vocabulary: SWaG runs. AKA Skillset, Worker, and Gift runs.

[solemn sage]

you don't need one for every hero

I mean it's the most convenient

but you can move them around, just 24h cooldown to re-equip one on a hero after you remove it

[mossy bridge]

oh god having to juggle fucking artifacts is gonna suck ass, thats already my least favorite part of the game

[sour jay]

You didn't play when gear was a fucking nightmare too

[latent elbow]

they put the cooldown just to remove it later and call it a gift to players

[solemn sage]

whales will have the convenience of one for every meta hero

[olive moat]

You'll need 30 of them for full cr equips, and 60 weeks from now a new creep will be out so functionally I think my point stands

[sour jay]

Let's not go back to that pls

[mossy bridge]

i hope you can at least name your different collections so you dont confuse your IS one with your ATK one or whatever

[solemn sage]

f2p/dolphins will struggle with shuffling them around

[solemn sage]

35 for TS

[olive moat]

Yep

[solemn sage]

40 for LC

I expect lilith's equivalent of resonance for collections to just be letting us use normal artifacts in all modes

[mossy bridge]

why couldn't they have just removed the entire totem thing and just modified the rarities, why add the layer of complexity for something that just obviously has a best option

[olive moat]

Also they'll add in more collections as time goes on and those will certainly creep the current ones we have

[solemn sage]

like these things are insanely busted when comparing them to just an empty slot

[visual dove]

[solemn sage]

but when comparing them to class artifacts/call/eye, they're still better but not as big a disparity

[olive moat]

Reason for JD to celebrate ig

[lime zinc]

Prob will fail 400hr

[mossy bridge]

what are u guys at? we're at like 350ish

[olive moat]

Can someone on test ask support if skillset and worker stack? I'm really curious

[lime zinc]

You can see in-game

[mossy bridge]

the hours?

[lime zinc]

I only just woke up, I haven't checked yet

Go check yourself

[mossy bridge]

i dont think i can see the reward quest progress for the other guilds

but no worries

i guess its the sum of the 3 area quests

[solemn sage]

Another flawless run, 1 more yellow this time

at least I'm getting good runs now

that's 9 runs with no skill level up so far

[mossy bridge]

[mossy bridge]

idk which one to get for lib

i guess the tasi one for survivability

[solemn sage]

hmm

I should make saurus arti and test if saurus can use it

@olive moat honestly if supreme skillset doesn't stack, quick battle might be straight up better third option than the legendary totems

if the tier for floor 10 is mythic

[mossy bridge]

for sure right? and the extraordinary encounter one is just... straight up a worse version of that

even the R plunder one seems better than most of the L ones except the good two

[olive moat]

I don't have a clear picture of how many stats you farm in a run

Is that run above representative? 28 stats?

[solemn sage]

with 3 blue totems yea

and blues/greens are pretty much trash

[olive moat]

Is the chance of getting a +1 floor-agnostic? Or only a late floor drop

[solemn sage]

I'm not sure

[olive moat]

I will be honest QWaG is not as fun an acronym as SWaG

[wise whale]

Hi frens

[olive moat]

Is the +1 skill a mythic skill?

[solemn sage]

there's an image for +1 skill level at every tier

[olive moat]

Ik that early floors have a 0% mythic rate

[solemn sage]

so it might be able to replace anything

[mossy bridge]

ooo could be like a joker style card

[olive moat]

What kind of spaghetti ass code is lilith running with that they need to make 6 duplicates of the same image

[mossy bridge]

also a 100% increase could just mean going from 0.5% to 1%

[solemn sage]

sometimes it's just easier than coding an exception

[radiant grotto]

nah, no excuses for that one lol

[olive moat]

This is one of the reasons that afk takes up 1 billion gigabytes of storage

[solemn sage]

I mean if you're actually programming, no excuses

[olive moat]

I feel bad for the lilith dev. Singular because I assume they only have the one guy

[solemn sage]

but if you're just adding new skills using some internal tool and don't actually do any programming

[mossy bridge]

i bet the stat hexagon class has to have an array with 6 elements and the tier is chosen by picking the index somehow, with 0 being lowest tier and 5 highest, so they have to do it like that for skill+1 too

https://tenor.com/view/national-spaghetti-day-national-spaghetti-day-hungry-gif-7317183

[radiant grotto]

[olive moat]

Can't they just have the same filename repeated 6 times

[proven hearth]

mining going slightly better today

[thin ermine]

glad its going slightly more smoothly~

[solemn sage]

Another flawless run

Raku doing his best

Secret mvp because I had wilder faction buff, +20 haste for 2 wilders

[olive moat]

Mezoth is op it seems

[old fog]

@wise whale hopping on to push now

[solemn sage]

seems like the strat is don't worry at all about meta heroes, just focus on whatever the game gives you upgrades for

while taking advantage of whatever faction buffs you can get

better to have a 5* e80 trash hero than an E0 meta carry

[olive moat]

I played gacha before where the strat was basically "activate as much faction synergy as possible". They were super lame. Probably tolerable in a roguelike but after a few weeks that gameplay will get old

[solemn sage]

once again zero +skill level

let's see if saurus can double up on his own skill

[olive moat]

A lot of the playerbase will fail a really high portion of the runs on floor 7 or whatever and complain and lilith will nerf the difficulty of the mode which will make it even more intolerable to sit there spamming runs every week

[solemn sage]

honestly it's possible lilith has already shadow nerfed it and that's why I just had three flawless runs in a row

[olive moat]

Ik for sure that if u were failing runs and pizza was failing runs a few days ago then the success rate of the general population would be like 55%

[lime zinc]

Be like 15%

[gilded salmon]

[solemn sage]

#squad

[olive moat]

My dream scenario is cover on zol somehow causing an infinite rewind bug

[wise whale]

[gilded salmon]

wait thats illegal...

[thin ermine]

[rich wraith]

is 9f mandatory for wathalia ?

[olive moat]

I kind of want to write a guide on gulag gallery

[solemn sage]

for TS/campaign it is

[shy ferry]

i heard elyard is op in the gallery?

[rich wraith]

ofc it is

[mossy bridge]

9f is mandatory for every woke eventually, u wont take them off the wishlist till u have it

[olive moat]

real

[thin ermine]

big project. lemme know if u ever start and need help

[rotund island]

These are values from the files

[olive moat]

Perp already posted those

[mossy bridge]

skill+1 isnt in that table

[solemn sage]

Yeah we were just wondering if skill+1 can only be obtained at floors that drop mythics

or if it can be anywhere

[rotund island]

ah, didn't fully read convo

[olive moat]

How do they even get those numbers thi

Do they have someone who knows how to unencrypt the json files

[solemn sage]

probably from afk inside

[olive moat]

Or are those numbers in particular unencrypted

[rotund island]

it's technically not encrypted, it's compressed

based on what tools I've heard people use

[olive moat]

Does that go for all the jsons in the game

[rotund island]

yeah all .jsone/.jse files are compressed afaik

[wise whale]

[olive moat]

I wonder what the compression algorithm is

[rotund island]

It's seems like they use atleast 2, so it's technically "encrypted"

[thin ermine]

i think so. cause i did it once to extract the hero icons using the reddit guide.

it was pretty simple to follow through

[olive moat]

There's a reddit guide?

That says the compression algos?

[rotund island]

not for the .jsone only for the images

[solemn sage]

images aren't encrypted at all

[thin ermine]

yeah it was only for the images

not sure about the rest

[solemn sage]

most static images are just loose files

animated images are in a weird format but there's tools for opening them

[mossy bridge]

if a .json is encrypted its basically impossible to undo if they use some algo that has a key

like even if u know what the algo is u can't undo it unless u have the key

[solemn sage]

the game decrypts the files when it reads them

anything that happens on your own device can in theory be broken into

just takes a skillset that not many have

[rotund island]

you would need a to enable debug for the app

So wrapping it in another app basically

[mossy bridge]

could try with a disassembler

check if they're stupid and named something "sha-256-key"

or something like that

are we gonna get banned for talking about this

[solemn sage]

problem is the emulation layer adds a whole extra headache

[thin ermine]

its discord should be fine right

[wise whale]

[olive moat]

I bet chatgpt knows how to read the files of an active android process

[thin ermine]

highly likely but prob cant do it (its restricted from doing so)

[sour jay]

I bet chatgpt would happily lie to you about the files of an active android process

[thin ermine]

[olive moat]

Without bothering to ask in gonna guess that there's zero chance chat gpt is restricted from telling you that

[sour jay]

Chatgpt can talk convincingly and that's about it

[olive moat]

That's like a very reasonable thing that android developers would need to know how to do

[sour jay]

Maybe the advanced versions are better but the free one is real dog shit

[fair rapids]

Sadge

[olive moat]

I know that professional programmers are very frustrated in the devolution of chat gpt but as a non programmer I haven't experienced any of those frustrations. It still works extremely well for all the programming needs I have as a a non software developer. Mostly I think people who complain about it are asking it to do something very niche or are just lazy

Also it sucks at math but it's always sucked at math

[fair rapids]

Well shit

[mossy bridge]

i've used it to give me a formula for excel a couple times cuz idk how to use it and I almost never have to

[fair rapids]

[mossy bridge]

but also its built on the exploitation of the global south so fuck chatgpt

[mossy bridge]

doomed

[terse heart]

free

[fair rapids]

All but kaia

[thin ermine]

we have a subscription to the advanced (paid) one

[terse heart]

Free!

[thin ermine]

i think Kaia sent this earlier lol

[fair rapids]

Idk a had 13 noti's only checked a few

[terse heart]

🐛

[tawdry hatch]

ez wins

[terse heart]

Nice

everyone 190ish tree+

we like those

[thin ermine]

[thin ermine]

ez life

[indigo quail]

i feel you

[wise whale]

Hi frens

[still heron]

No more scrombl

[tawdry hatch]

scromblre hates me

0.34%

[still heron]

T15

[thin ermine]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1137640870426984468/1149062390634266686/98a8072297dda144bc59b479f7b7d0a20df4862e.gif

[thin ermine]

[feral coral]

@storm moth

[thin ermine]

[thin ermine]

verilucky

[abstract storm]

TS ends tomorrow?

[thin ermine]

concluded ealier?

thats y we got ded chat here

[fair rapids]

It ended today

[abstract storm]

Oh thanks

[fair rapids]

Hopefully I pull a fox

[abstract storm]

🫡

[fair rapids]

[thin ermine]

at least u got a pet

[fair rapids]

fox is 1 off 15

[thin ermine]

my radish is one off from 16. im in no rush

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1137640870426984468/1149062391200501800/eff608500fb30f24ce2734c88d95d143ac4b0339.gif

[feral coral]

2 fox off 18

[thin ermine]

fox and souffle both sitting at 16...both need 8 copies....hat event better be nice to me

[wise whale]

Hey farara how’s things

[thin ermine]

im good buddy. at work rn. hbu?

[edgy moss]

gross, work

[thin ermine]

i know....imagine getting called to work on a chill weekend....

[edgy moss]

you should sue them for abusing their power, making you work...the nerve

[thin ermine]

the thing is...i get paid even if i dont get called to work....kinda depends on my luck....so

[wild vapor]

[thin ermine]

if i cant do revenge. i just fight the islands that have green/purple stones

the reds one r the problematic ones to me

[lime zinc]

Most people that use green don't even realise you have to set heroes in them

[thin ermine]

exactly. ngl i forgot the first day as well lol

i also forgot to select the class advantage thing in the fountain lol

[tawdry hatch]

relatable

[thin ermine]

[tawdry hatch]

blessing most useless tower until u set a type

[thin ermine]

[lime zinc]

I just went with the time one, only missed the time once this whole event (vs an AwShem full team)

[wild vapor]

This has to be the most toxic setup

[thin ermine]

the worst ones r the ones that dont even have resource lol

[wild vapor]

I have only flowers and nobody pillsge

[thin ermine]

?!i got no defense towers as well. i have defense teams on but nothing too hard for those players that chose to attk me

[tranquil crane]

the most toxic setups dont even have resources

[thin ermine]

literally what i said lol

guess we agree

[dusk tundra]

All flower to bamboozle the unwary

[wild vapor]

Is that on purpose though like these guys spamming reds

[thin ermine]

gardens lol

[thin ermine]

it is. they dont want to get attacked so

[wild vapor]

[thin ermine]

so close! nice!

[shy ferry]

IRL gacha

[thin ermine]

[shy ferry]

not nice

[thin ermine]

u guys r gonna get it thou id think?

[shy ferry]

not the 450

[thin ermine]

i just hope to get the 10chests. i dont care the ones that give like 1/2pulls

[edgy moss]

at least you have a chance to get the 300

[thin ermine]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1137640870426984468/1149062391200501800/eff608500fb30f24ce2734c88d95d143ac4b0339.gif

we're at 248 hours. dont think gonna get it either. oh well

mining hours should be 4 militias combined instead

[visual dove]

👍

[edgy moss]

you jumped ahead by 16 hours, traitor!

[thin ermine]

nice

[edgy moss]

[thin ermine]

like being ahead is going to save me somehow

[edgy moss]

[thin ermine]

u guys r set nothing to worry lol. big/comp guild advantages

[solemn sage]

hard to beat chinese guild in a grindfest

[thin ermine]

[visual dove]

ruby?

[visual dove]

cool

[thin ermine]

cn comp guilds r known for their grinding lol

thats y not many survived

[solemn sage]

lilith tried to match strong guilds together to avoid too much bullying

[thin ermine]

which is kinda nice but also painful if ur competing

[edgy moss]

alright, got 9 furn cards saved up in case of a surprise woke drop

[thin ermine]

smart!

[lime zinc]

Tbh the strength is less relevant than the number of players that actually hit

[solemn sage]

yea

[radiant grotto]

on that note, my cards are down, by the way

[solemn sage]

and making sure people don't hit smalls

[radiant grotto]

no more 15 cards in sight lol
down to 4, farararara

[thin ermine]

[edgy moss]

what did you do

[fair rapids]

🤝

[lime zinc]

I'd rather they hit smalls than do literally nothing

[thin ermine]

[thin ermine]

hopefully next round is better. especially if i bring a few ppl over

[radiant grotto]

6 just here

[thin ermine]

OP ASHEM: finally done

[edgy moss]

e60 ashem worth it?

[thin ermine]

yes!

[tawdry hatch]

so far yes

[visual dove]

Good. 450~455 my guild at the end I guess

[edgy moss]

hmm, i'm getting close to having enough reds to e60 someone.

[tawdry hatch]

done bert?

[edgy moss]

yea

[thin ermine]

all that matters is getting it!

[visual dove]

I'm a guild master, so I don't know how many times I've sent guild messages and DMs for 3 days to make guild members to earn points

[thin ermine]

tell me abt it....i am too

[solemn sage]

guild massages?

time to join your guild

[thin ermine]

[worldly belfry]

can i get a massage

[thin ermine]

darn it. im tempted too

[visual dove]

omg..

[thin ermine]

[worldly belfry]

i've got so much work to do and need to relax

[thin ermine]

me tooooo. im at work rn. and back still hurts....

[tawdry hatch]

I've never had a massage in my life, my muscles are probably rock hard

[lime zinc]

You'd have to have a lot of arms to massage 69 people at once

[tawdry hatch]

not the first time I'm rock hard tho~

[thin ermine]

messages

[visual dove]

[tawdry hatch]

not at once smh, over the course of a day

[thin ermine]

good one

[edgy moss]

i need to go to the spa more often, full body deep massages are soooo good

[visual dove]

Our guild have 10 dedicated massagers.

[tawdry hatch]

deputy massagers?

[visual dove]

Come from India and Tai

[thin ermine]

careful here. may get zapped

[visual dove]

[thin ermine]

[rich wraith]

anyone knows how to use wathalia in campaign ?

[thin ermine]

treat em like a carry. just copy formations and sub her in

[rich wraith]

[dusk tundra]

Ivan mishka tamrus aatha usually

[fair rapids]

Ivan tam atha fill tbh

Yea what uria said

[rich wraith]

i cant giver her ivan cause of scarlet

[fair rapids]

[fair rapids]

Just copy nitro when you catch up to him

[rich wraith]

im in ch37

[fair rapids]

you got this

[thin ermine]

[rich wraith]

[old fog]

hurm?

[thin ermine]

[cinder cargo]

hey guys

what's the breakpoint nodes on trish?

[thin ermine]

lemme check i know min is e30

[cinder cargo]

I'm assuming haste

[tawdry hatch]

e60 isn't it?

[cinder cargo]

woah she has fat crit

[tawdry hatch]

that's as far as I know

[cinder cargo]

no e30 does similar in CR iirc

[tawdry hatch]

oh nice, that's good to hear

[thin ermine]

nope she works at e30

[cinder cargo]

you lose like 500m

[rotund island]

e38 atk haste

[cinder cargo]

but eh

atk?

[tawdry hatch]

waiting for perp to come in and clap u rn cos atk nodes cost so much for so little

[cinder cargo]

I'm kinda not down for ATK node

[rotund island]

haste is always good

[tawdry hatch]

JD wanna save his cores

[cinder cargo]

ye

[rotund island]

idk, i just do e60 😐

[cinder cargo]

ye only 34k left, need to save

[tawdry hatch]

[cinder cargo]

[rotund island]

lmao

[solemn sage]

trish kinda wants e60

[tawdry hatch]

ah yeah that's only enough for e100 lavatune

knew it!

e60 all the way

[cinder cargo]

she seems to not lose too much damage at 309e3x

even 303e3x

[solemn sage]

I haven't tested in CR I guess

[cinder cargo]

I can afford it, but I don't think it's worth it

[solemn sage]

last ranked AE the e60 made significant difference

[cinder cargo]

that makes sense

but I'm not doing comp for ae

so probably not really a thing for me

[thin ermine]

i tested 30330. worked well lost like 3b ish in cr in previous rounds?

[tawdry hatch]

AE is the one u wander around and yoink towns right?

[cinder cargo]

3b????

[tawdry hatch]

or are u talking about the boss fight

[cinder cargo]

that's a lot

[cinder cargo]

ye

[thin ermine]

yeahhh.

but prob cause furn too

[cinder cargo]

wait there's no way it loses 3b

[thin ermine]

not this round thou

previous ones i think?

ah i remember which stoopid round it was i think

[fair rapids]

Forgot about rift

[thin ermine]

there was so much variation in that round. had a lot of options like raku trish eorin mishka and stuff

[thin ermine]

[cinder cargo]

wait what did I even say

I got flagged by gaius

[thin ermine]

typo?

[cinder cargo]

I typed a very normal sentence

[thin ermine]

i got flagged today once too not sure what triggered it. was saying arab food is nice and stuff lol

[tawdry hatch]

every time I think someone lent me their baeden it's a goddam applicant

[thin ermine]

[fair rapids]

ok rift done

[old fog]

should i +30 my rem

[thin ermine]

[thin ermine]

can u? with dim emblems

[rich wraith]

wathalia 9f is only an extra 25% dmg reduction right ?

[old fog]

i would be using 50 dim emblems

[fair rapids]

No then

[thin ermine]

wait for dimemblems

[thin ermine]

[fair rapids]

There are two type of ppl in this world

[shy ferry]

wtf

big ass update

[thin ermine]

[fair rapids]

[thin ermine]

[fair rapids]

Test?

[visual dove]

[shy ferry]

indeed it is

you could probably tell from the fact it's a picture of a computer screen

[valid grail]

whats the order of priority for mulan rem merlin ezio +30?

[fair rapids]

Merlin emi rem Mulan imo

[valid grail]

aight! thx

also who to engrave next? thinking abt e60 mulan/veith/abel

[thin ermine]

i think ur next best move is to take abel and rem to the e4x breakpoint instead

[valid grail]

both alr are, they are dark yellow

[thin ermine]

then prob vei to break point

[fair rapids]

Vei to e4x ye

[valid grail]

okie after vei?

[thin ermine]

thats upto personal choice. id actually save it for now after that

but do make sure to give mulan e30 at least

[dusk tundra]

You guys don’t just e60 everyone minimum?

[thin ermine]

we're not krakens here. more like krakens havent arrived here yet

[shy ferry]

dragon did u see

i got riggled again, 0.02%

[fair rapids]

2 points

I went from 14 to 16 on fight 49

[little bough]

Should I go for lib 9f or Oden/Silas/emi instead?

[thin ermine]

lib would have an overall higher impact id think

i wouldnt card any of the 4 thou

as long as u got 3f on them. dont card any

[tawdry hatch]

back to the cool channel

[thin ermine]

home sweet home

u booli ts

ur too good at ts nowadays

[tawdry hatch]

oh hey I recognise this guy

prick was bullying me in TS

[tawdry hatch]

LB tower another 10 lets go

5*

[little bough]

Ok thanks, got 3f on all of them so I'll just leave lib on

[thin ermine]

[thin ermine]

[little bough]

Or should I get anasta 9f?

[shy ferry]

i don't just bully you in TS i also bully you here

[tawdry hatch]

[thin ermine]

shes not high prio like before anymore. leaving her on wlist is fine

[tawdry hatch]

farararara this good?

I'll take ezio off at 3f

[shy ferry]

ew ezio

[thin ermine]

[tawdry hatch]

tamtam so close

[shy ferry]

also what's with a solise

[thin ermine]

i still use him in TS

[tawdry hatch]

it's better than no solise

[shy ferry]

why do u build her

[tawdry hatch]

I've already had this convo like 4 times in this channel

specific search it if ur so interested 😭

[thin ermine]

[shy ferry]

well?

lets make it 5

[thin ermine]

rigged~

[tawdry hatch]

this guys gonna regret bullying me

I'll go on my villain arc and whale wokes/beasts just to bully him out of t100

[shy ferry]

i'll become the ceo of lilith and ban your account

[tawdry hatch]

need more gold

[shy ferry]

29k diamonds

whale

[tawdry hatch]

been saving

better watch out Wifey

boutta hit reso 9

so close to having more room for lab coins in my bag

[thin ermine]

ive been spending lab coins no space

[worldly belfry]

me too

i might use chall coins

[thin ermine]

after spending i have 145k rn. i think i can get 200k before exchange

[thin ermine]

[worldly belfry]

i have 131000 now

[thin ermine]

i got abt 5B gold

[tawdry hatch]

I've bought 100 dim emblems since isle of gold started

[thin ermine]

me too

[tawdry hatch]

damn ur the opposite to a whale, no diamonds

https://tenor.com/view/megamind-gif-26070434

[fair rapids]

I've bought 300 and
all the lab shop and I'm almost back to max lol

[tawdry hatch]

that doesn't sound possible

[fair rapids]

Vip 13 + double lab

[worldly belfry]

same, so i can si30 emi

[tawdry hatch]

oh cring

[fair rapids]

Lab shop excluding heores*

[thin ermine]

vip 14 gets even more lab coins than vip 13 so

stuff

[tawdry hatch]

sounds like I need to whale more

nice

ez dubs

[thin ermine]

[restive goblet]

144k lab coins from isle of gold so far

[thin ermine]

[tawdry hatch]

huh

[dusk tundra]

What about vip 16

[tawdry hatch]

only 113k here, people are dumb

now I got 120 pulls for lavatune

hopefully enough for M

[thin ermine]

vip16 is beyond my knowledge

[tawdry hatch]

vip 16 seems an unachievable goal

you'd need to play for years spending a lot

[lime zinc]

Or be dragon and play for a few months

[rich wraith]

Numisu is a decent sub for Ivan

I’m coping atp

[thin ermine]

https://tenor.com/view/copium-cat-gif-27161395

[fair rapids]

[thin ermine]

congrats

[fair rapids]

He really is decent but not a sub for Ivan

[rich wraith]

Did the job for me

Not too bad at 220 deficit

[fair rapids]

Nice

[edgy pumice]

NumiSUCK

[thin ermine]

[tawdry hatch]

guys I saw a guide that said Tasi is good, is that true?

[rich wraith]

Nah save for lavatune

[tawdry hatch]

then do tasi after?

[rich wraith]

Tasi might be better tho who knows

[tawdry hatch]

I'll ask a whale who's already built tasi

@fair rapids senpai guide me

[rich wraith]

[thin ermine]

tasi?

[tawdry hatch]

tasi yeah

pink chick

[thin ermine]

tasi?!

[tawdry hatch]

impossible to beat in campaign

[thin ermine]

[tawdry hatch]

so she must be good

[rich wraith]

Fk that bish

[thin ermine]

shes like meta for when i was in ch20 lol

fyi thats like 3.5yrs ago

[tawdry hatch]

tasi meta is all I'm hearing

[thin ermine]

[tawdry hatch]

wish me luck on rates

[thin ermine]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/974081672972763186/1152109159106494514/image.gif

[tawdry hatch]

damn not quite enough for ascended

got shafted near the end

[thin ermine]

[tawdry hatch]

anyway in other news

welp guess I'm changing again soon

[rich wraith]

Don’t think we even have to bother lol we’re up by 200k

[tawdry hatch]

I want t1

[rich wraith]

Have you seen the rates

[tawdry hatch]

also I still got another hour left

[rich wraith]

It’s 0%

[tawdry hatch]

idc about the rates

[rich wraith]

You’d have to lick a Lilith employees toes to get a copy chest

[tawdry hatch]

I want t1

[tawdry hatch]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/996885141723025500.gif?size=128&quality=lossless

[rich wraith]

???

[tawdry hatch]

I want wokes

don't make me ping a CM

[old fog]

duck event time, gonna get vip 11 off this and hopefully bert done, wish me luck guys

[thin ermine]

[rich wraith]

Despicable behavior

[tawdry hatch]

best of luck!

[rich wraith]

Gl

[thin ermine]

[tawdry hatch]

80 pulls?

that's 2 copies ez

[thin ermine]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/974081672972763186/1152109159106494514/image.gif

[old fog]

first pull i think i get this guys hopefully i have some dias left for ivan

gonna do singles now

[tawdry hatch]

hot

[rich wraith]

Wait who even hcp Ivan in 2024

[tawdry hatch]

me

wait what

[rich wraith]

Get with the times smh

[tawdry hatch]

I done mine in 2023

[old fog]

done. 35k dias left

[tawdry hatch]

it's still 2023

[tawdry hatch]

tf?

aight gg

[rich wraith]

Nah I like to round it up

[tawdry hatch]

GL with Ivan rates 😭

[old fog]

shits too easy

[rich wraith]

[still heron]

Egg is a time traveler

[rich wraith]

Hating ass mf

[old fog]

I NEEDED ONE AND I GOT 2 lmao

more towards haste stars ig

[tawdry hatch]

nah nitros just getting payback from getting shafted on alyca

he deserved good rates for once

[old fog]

fuck yeah bro

engraving time, what are nodes on ivan?

[tawdry hatch]

aaaaa

[tawdry hatch]

haste atk is is

[thin ermine]

[thin ermine]

[tawdry hatch]

feel like a bully

but shitters keep kicking me

[old fog]

kicking my feet and popping a little jig rn thank god i got good rates

[lime zinc]

Just e36 haste is

[tawdry hatch]

I shouldn't be jealous with how much green is on my sheet rn xD

[tawdry hatch]

there's 2 IS nodes

[lime zinc]

There's 1 IS node that has a haste sub

[tawdry hatch]

so is this only recent meta that no one does atk nodes?

[lime zinc]

Nah

[tawdry hatch]

within the last like 2 days I've seen multiple people saying don't do atk nodes

[lime zinc]

Atk is beneficial but too expensive for what it is

[tawdry hatch]

750 cores for little gain

[old fog]

too bad i already did e44

idm

[lime zinc]

It's good, just not as early for most people here

[rich wraith]

I thought higher ivan att = higher carry att

[tawdry hatch]

but 750 cores for it

[lime zinc]

The issue with engraves that a lot of people have, myself included, is that they become shortsighted when they only have a certain set of options available

[lime zinc]

Exactly, it does help him but it's at a high cost

[rich wraith]

Hmm

[lime zinc]

Which is why I don't recommend it as a baseline invest

Depends on the atk substat too though

[rich wraith]

It’s worth it later when you’re done with others I’m guessing

[lime zinc]

It's still good, just far further down the prio list

It's a constant balance of weighing up X choice over Y choice

Nothing is done because it's 'good' but because it's better than the alternative

[misty epoch]

Just whale them all

[rich wraith]

My alternative is numisu

[lime zinc]

You wouldn't be engraving Numisu as the alternative

[still heron]

[rich wraith]

Nah I’m jk

I couldn’t use Ivan with wathalia for campaign so I had to settle for numisu

Worked out for me

[feral coral]

F2poor?

[rich wraith]

Nobody min max better than a f2poor

[old fog]

i’m vip 11 now

[lime zinc]

Conceptually anyone wanting to play well would always go for the most beneficial option, just depends on what decisions you actually have to make

With more affluent accounts not requiring the same concessions

[old fog]

slightly bigger ivan may help in mirror matchups for abel for example, don’t mind getting it tbh

[fair rapids]

[fair rapids]

[lime zinc]

For smth like Ivan e4x, it's the trade-off for whether cores spent elsewhere would be more useful in the time before he's e60

[feral coral]

@storm moth is it you that logged on

[old fog]

show urs lil bro

[fair rapids]

Less than 15

[old fog]

show it dragon

[fair rapids]

I did few days ago go look for it

[vagrant prawn]

Kraken

[feral coral]

Ok it's not smoku he would've replied it's probably nno

[old fog]

show me it now

[storm moth]

no

[fair rapids]

Go find it, I'm working

[old fog]

oh right

[lime zinc]

Working on getting to vip16?

[old fog]

i just won’t find it

[lime zinc]

[vagrant prawn]

Smh 16

[fair rapids]

15 first

[vagrant prawn]

By end of 2024 dragon will be vip 20

[fair rapids]

Nu uh

I don't have that kind of money

Maybe 16

[rotund island]

16 is far

😐

[fair rapids]

Yea but less than 20

I'm spending 700-1000+ a month so 16 seems doable

But 20... Unrealistic

[tame quiver]

oh