treasure-scramble

[flat tapir]

very sad actually. yikes.

if i was vip 16 from right now i would be rank 3 i in r45 behind kaia

[fair rapids]

He whales 36 furn cards lamo

[flat tapir]

i only need like another 2k to get reso 18

and thats not even vip 16 rofl

[fair rapids]

He told me he bought 30 cards for Abel

[flat tapir]

im whaling yuexi poe on reset

im close to special and i need 1 furn card for lyca 9f

im 12 spices away from another level 18 pet

i cant decide if i want to actually spice talis or another pet to 18

its just the fact that, will level 18 talis actuall;y make a difference in ts lol

im p sure a level 18 talis alone in HoE wouldve made me get to 1 star

[fair rapids]

Such bad value but poe is so fun

[flat tapir]

its bad value, bu tim 1 furn off of such a huge power boost

[fair rapids]

I'ma do it when olgath is near done

I'm almost reso 12

[astral hatch]

What is that garbage tree

[fair rapids]

Whales don't buy tree

Only smart ones like Kaia

[astral hatch]

They do if they want to win

[cinder cargo]

how expensive is rush whaling tree anyways

[flat tapir]

yeah cero that guy is an idiot

he has level 18 reseo and brancches are 40? lmfao wtf

[cinder cargo]

I don't mean max in 1 day, I mean get close to max and not include the cost of asccending heroes

I feel like tree is a very long powercreep

and whaling juice is mega expensive

simplifying things, you need around

juice to max cap tree

surely that can't be cheap to whale

[worthy rapids]

dont forget about having every single hero at 5*

if it works the way im thinking

[flat tapir]

hes legit liek vip 19 man

[cinder cargo]

oh I'm excluding the cost of ascending heroes

[flat tapir]

theres no excuses. hes just wasted legit an incredible amt of money

his tree should be around 100 avg

[cinder cargo]

since that's not really getting tree

you just get tree anyways

well at least until you've ascended everything meaningful and starred heroes that actually need stars

which should be about 190-ish tree

or maybe 185 actually

[tranquil crane]

the early tree levels cost less than 800, not that it makes much of a difference to the overall number

[cinder cargo]

ye I cba accounting for that

[tranquil crane]

[worthy rapids]

it gets to 800/1 at 25 or 27

[cinder cargo]

but it also increases per level

or per few levels

I'm not doing the maths for that

maybe better is estimate is 750k juice

[candid jungle]

Wat

[worthy rapids]

8160 from 0 to 25 and then its 800/1

[cinder cargo]

please tell me you didn't reset tree for that

[worthy rapids]

nooooooo

[cinder cargo]

oh ok

why do you remember that

[fair rapids]

Just click reset

[flat tapir]

kaia is typing a book

[worthy rapids]

-800

[spice finch]

pizza

i think 26 costs 750

[tranquil crane]

hmm some napkin math suggests max elder tree (not accounting for units needed to have max cap) should cost about $7300 for mid spender whales over some unknown number of months (quite a few)

this is from going in $200 on efficient juice events, ~$50 on less efficient juice events, and discounting all the free juice you get, so its actually way less in practice

[worthy rapids]

oh ye

so 0-26 is 8160

whatever

im stuk

pippa op

[spice finch]

pizza is trouble

ops, pippa

[sour jay]

Why push 301

You're done

[worthy rapids]

idk why not

[sour jay]

Go outside get a breath of fresh air

[worthy rapids]

i want to be here

[sour jay]

[spice finch]

why

[worthy rapids]

WHY NOT

[spice finch]

[spice finch]

did you pop the trial?

[astral hatch]

If they prioritize elder tree this can be accomplished for much less $ assuming they select it from all possible places, reset barracks for juice, redeem for juice in events, and pick the juice noble

[tranquil crane]

[worthy rapids]

i think i just skipped floor 302

[cinder cargo]

oh

that's actually not too bad

I thought it would be like 20k

[spice finch]

what do you get there?

[astral hatch]

The 'low spend / mid spend' path to acquiring juice nets you about 1.4 tree levels per day

[cinder cargo]

how much is mid spend

[tranquil crane]

That's a useful number, thanks

[worthy rapids]

tbh i need asol badly but baden works too i guess

[astral hatch]

Back when I was still working on capping my trees in early 2022 I modeled my rate of acquisition as well as tracking actual rate of acquisition.

[cinder cargo]

also by tree levels do you mean 1 branch or all 5 branches

[astral hatch]

Mid spend is $25 for noble and $41 in events

[cinder cargo]

sounds like a reasonable amount

[astral hatch]

When modeling all brances are aggregated into a lump goal.

[cinder cargo]

oh

[astral hatch]

So I didn't say 134 branches, I'd say 670 total levels

[cinder cargo]

so it'll still take like 2 years to max tree for mid spenders then

it's kinda sad that that is not that much faster than f2p

[astral hatch]

Just over 1 year

[cinder cargo]

aren't there like 900 levels in total now

[tranquil crane]

i imagine it becomes quite expensive getting the cap to the max via 5 star celepogs etc

[cinder cargo]

I think excluding trash celepos and useless stars, people should still get like 180-185 max cap

[astral hatch]

Yes, but any discussion on capping tree also has to come with the assumption that you are doing everything optimally to also cap your max tree possible

It's a moving target, but the rate of acquisition and growth of max level and max tree level is slower than the acquisition of resources

[cinder cargo]

ye

[flat tapir]

another tree debate

[astral hatch]

The main purpose of accelerating tree to cap is to keep up with accelerating max tree possible

[flat tapir]

point is, that guy should have a tree better than kaias with the amt hes spent

but his tree is legit not even double mine

and he has reso 18 so what is he even focusing his resources on? poe?

[astral hatch]

Ideally, your cap to over ratios look something like this

[cinder cargo]

idk though. tree seems mega expensive if you don't build it like a medium spender

[worthy rapids]

[cinder cargo]

and even if you build it like a medium spender, it's still like 2 years of a lot per month on just tree

[tranquil crane]

sick work

[astral hatch]

If you are not actively managing towards the maximum level possible, the resources are sitting idle and unproductive

[cinder cargo]

I mean sure

[astral hatch]

It's a really, really bad time if you are not also working on max tree while working on capping your tree

[cinder cargo]

but like is 5* vyloris really worth the extra tree level

[astral hatch]

Yes, if you were smart enough to use a 5* wu kong to swap to Vyloris

[cinder cargo]

to some people probably, but I don't think most medium spenders would ever reach that

[fair rapids]

@spice finch you going to test today? Or are your teams solid

[sour jay]

Later

[flat tapir]

@candid jungle the lyca team is 88% wr

[cinder cargo]

I'm talking about from scratch

[flat tapir]

but i think im vsing noobs...

so with her 9f i think it would be 95%+

[fair rapids]

Which one?

[flat tapir]

the one asulgard is running

[cinder cargo]

assuming they used the swap on random atalene copies -> alyca or something

[flat tapir]

but i legit think im vsing noobs cus i dropped to 1% cus i forgot to change my teams

so illl let u know later today. cus im back in top 40

[fair rapids]

Lamo

1%

[astral hatch]

Yeah, I qualified it with 'if' because people can always make poor decisions

[tranquil crane]

im guessing this is pretty exclusively an ancient account thing? I see people talk about wukong swapping and I'm like... yo, I'm nowhere near building wukong 🤔

[flat tapir]

bro i made it back to top 75 with my garbage teams not set

that is like hilarious LOL

topp 100 is not hard at all to get if u a light spender

[astral hatch]

I did so much planning to get my account to cap tree level and cap hero level, while managing spend

[flat tapir]

a real light spender

[cinder cargo]

depends region

depends big time on region

you know cubey was only clutching top 100

[obtuse mauve]

Ask guys in r36

[cinder cargo]

he's like halfway to vip 16

[flat tapir]

thats kind of sad

[cinder cargo]

fairly optimal play all the way

not even fairly, very optimal play

[astral hatch]

I modeled so many behaviors to find the right balance of max level vs. max tree vs. minimum spend

[flat tapir]

im hoping for top 10 in r46

i should be able to get it

[tranquil crane]

this is beautiful 🤩

[sour jay]

They used to give a lot more wukong and flora copy before they introduced the trading after 5*

[native sundial]

Any help plz ??? Can i fix these somehow ?

[cinder cargo]

it's kinda stinge tbh

3 wukong for 1 celepo is not a lot of free copies at all

if they give 1 per month

that's only 4 free copies per year

[sour jay]

Try lyca in scarlet with fox

[tranquil crane]

when you say 1 per month you are talking about from one of the coin shops, for people who already have everything else maxed?

[astral hatch]

If they would just give us an API to pull account information, I could totally automate the model and make a resource planning tool for maxing resources

[native sundial]

If i use fox in scarlet what to use in abel

[cinder cargo]

4 / the 128 you need for that year

[sour jay]

Rcl

[obtuse mauve]

Do you have yen?

[cinder cargo]

oh my 72% WR for abelinda

[native sundial]

2f

[sour jay]

I told you

[native sundial]

Rcl lvl6

[sour jay]

Oh rip

[astral hatch]

Yep, we got so many free copies and for a while he was one of the better picks in the lab store

[obtuse mauve]

That's too bad. 3f is the enabler for her

[astral hatch]

Since he was a celelstial you didn't have to stargaze, so that gave you someone to use in celestial tower

[native sundial]

I know man

[tranquil crane]

nice

[obtuse mauve]

As joux said, I'd replace grez with lyca in scarlet, anasta front maybe

[cinder cargo]

ye cele tower was also miserable deficit for non-whales when it first released

[native sundial]

Yea i did that

[cinder cargo]

some 103e0 wukong could actually carry a pretty long way

[native sundial]

Lets see

[cinder cargo]

took a long time before wukong was finally squished out of top 10 given investment cost

[native sundial]

I want something better to Feraels spot in gbs rem

Idk though what

[fair rapids]

Is this clown or do you think it could work

[lime zinc]

Wtf is that T3

[worthy rapids]

yes youre clown

[fair rapids]

[obtuse mauve]

Is seal carrying in the team 3?

[fair rapids]

My burst

With emi

Ok
I'll swap it back

[worthy rapids]

what is that bedo doing in t2

[fair rapids]

Tank for Bert

[native sundial]

Average 20m dmg

[lime zinc]

I didn't even notice the Albedo stranded like that

[fair rapids]

Ok ok I'll uh swap it back

[worthy rapids]

i think dragon likes fog

[obtuse mauve]

I guess not then... my idea was moving emi to alna rem, but team 3 won't work without her, probably

[native sundial]

Shall i try a Seal 11 stall instead of scarlet ?

But 11 is low for stall

[cinder cargo]

btw how does this look for a quick n dirty woke prio list

[obtuse mauve]

It's unlikely to work if your seal is doing only 20m

[worthy rapids]

i wound add 0. asolise

[cinder cargo]

[worthy rapids]

[fair rapids]

Looks Abt right

[obtuse mauve]

I think 3 and 4 should be whatever left from 2 and baden 5th, or people will mess up

[cinder cargo]

actually maybe maetria could be worth for people

[cinder cargo]

that's so much repeated writing though, surely they are not that dumb right

[obtuse mauve]

Surely

[cinder cargo]

summary of my awakened list:

[astral hatch]

Build them all

[fair rapids]

^

[astral hatch]

[obtuse mauve]

At once, ofc

[old fog]

ITS MY BDAY IN 22 MINUTES

[cinder cargo]

1. ✅
2. I built alyca
3. yeah I'm poor sorry
4. ✅
5. (4 B-tier wokes)

[fair rapids]

Who asked

[old fog]

ok bye

[fair rapids]

[cinder cargo]

oh nice

[obtuse mauve]

Happy birthday in 21 minutes

[fair rapids]

come back in 22 mins

[old fog]

i shall

[sour jay]

Why does everyone hate mae

[fair rapids]

[cinder cargo]

where is calcifer and why don't i see his wilder tower replays

[tranquil crane]

heppy preemptive birfday 🎉

[fair rapids]

Honestly I think she is niche now that she can't solo NC boss xD

[trail swift]

hi is alyca the best awk yet pls respond

[worthy rapids]

what did you buy him for bullying?

[cinder cargo]

[sour jay]

Imagine caring about NC

[fair rapids]

https://tenor.com/view/empty-box-empty-box-you-get-nothing-sad-gif-14437408

[sour jay]

Awthalia won't solo a boss next round (probably)

[cinder cargo]

I feel like NC and CR are inversely proportional

the more you care about CR, the less you care about NC and vice versa

[sour jay]

NC should just be whatever scraps you built for TS and CR, the rewards from doing better are laughable

[obtuse mauve]

I have more chance for good rewards in NC, cuz region. And that's all there is to it

[lime zinc]

Basically this

[trail swift]

nc is getting my twins ascended vry slowly but after that fuck it. the new bosses made it such a chore

[fair rapids]

Let's hope I can clutch up some wins

[lime zinc]

Palmer is better off on Rem Job over Silas

[cinder cargo]

you do get a lot more diamonds though

that's like 2.5 gazers worth

which is not that different from CR

except you also get TGs from CR

[worthy rapids]

@spice finch

[astral hatch]

Congratulations on your continued survival. It’s not easy navigating this dystopia.

[sour jay]

how long will that take to pay back any NC specific investment you make

[spice finch]

thought so... you're gona make me push

[old fog]

indeed it is good sir. thank you for your support

[worthy rapids]

i cant push more tho

[astral hatch]

100% this

[worthy rapids]

im losing 200 stab every floor

[cinder cargo]

forever

you never will

[sour jay]

fortunately there aren't too many NC specific investments, but building a woke that's only good in TS and NC just seems wrong to me if you can build a woke that's good in TS and CR

[spice finch]

[cinder cargo]

depends on region

[sour jay]

ofc if you only care for TS like some ppl do, that's fine too

[astral hatch]

TS and CR give you timegazers. Whoever does well in both logically should be at the top.

[cinder cargo]

like if you build abaden in R45

that's absolutely clowning yourself

[sour jay]

yeah cause baden isn't that good in TS

[fair rapids]

Yea

[obtuse mauve]

It's not like I'm gonna build og talene to get 15s in martyr

[fair rapids]

Hey.. I'm building waden... In r44

[cinder cargo]

by the time you get to the point where you can actually do okay in CR

[worthy rapids]

baden alone isnt even that good in cr without strong supports

[astral hatch]

That’s true of all heroes, not really a valid point

[cinder cargo]

your wokes would have all gone the way of the atalenes

[gilded salmon]

thats not really true

[cinder cargo]

ok but you build like 65 wokes in 1 month

[sour jay]

I still get my biggest rounds most weeks with baden

[cinder cargo]

[sour jay]

can't do well in CR if you never build for it tho

[worthy rapids]

you need fat oden and stuff to reduce his insane rng in some rounds

[fair rapids]

1 woke a month

[gilded salmon]

baden basically solos rounds except for dodge week. his supports are for grouping

[sour jay]

I'd like to do some examples but the people I know who built awthalia also whaled like 4 more wokes than me

[cinder cargo]

can't do well anyways, wait for roster to build up before attempting imo

[fair rapids]

Next month is waden built JK need to spend on resources

[worthy rapids]

wrong

[cinder cargo]

like is there really a point wasting a woke to get 40% instead of 60%

[sour jay]

'waste'

[obtuse mauve]

Not for cc too? Like small Hodgkin would be useless, right?

[cinder cargo]

I mean you could have gotten a better woke for TS otherwise

[astral hatch]

Yes, because you need to get to 40 in order to hit 20,10,5 etc …

[cinder cargo]

like awthalia or something

[astral hatch]

That’s progress

[fair rapids]

How are these

[cinder cargo]

not when wokes are getting shifted out of meta so fast

I mean think about it, asolise was mega CR meta only last year

[astral hatch]

Every awakened is meta right now at the top, even ezizh and Talene

[cinder cargo]

ye at the top

[gilded salmon]

hodg still buffs, All I'm saying is I've had big baden rounds with my trash account and supports. He's not reliant on a well built team

[sour jay]

eh doing better in TS is sorta overrated once you're stably t100. Even going to 50 is kinda small and very hard on most regions. the best reward is t20+ which requires serious krakening

even if I pulled awthalia right now I wouldn't get t50

[civic badger]

exactly

[cinder cargo]

which is not where 99% of people actually planning wokes instead of just getting them will be in a relatively short time frame

[sour jay]

ifyou're still 1% or worse focusing TS makes more sense

[civic badger]

wich is why you should do ur best in ts

[cinder cargo]

in newer regions I should clarify

[sour jay]

new region t100 is pretty easy

[worthy rapids]

i was right above t50 for a long time and somehow slipped to t30ish without even doing much

[fair rapids]

It's possible myu got t50 with atha

[cinder cargo]

oh really

[sour jay]

you're in a literal freegion

[astral hatch]

Newer regions aren’t the problem. It’s returning players that are struggling more than anyone.

[sour jay]

myu has 4 wokes and more celepogean and better pets

[fair rapids]

[cinder cargo]

returning players are kinda screwed

[fair rapids]

Myu kraken frfr

[sour jay]

yeah returning players have literal no hope unless it was just like a month or two

[cinder cargo]

I feel like unless they were an absolute whale before, restarting is a better idea

[astral hatch]

We asked for many improvements for returning players and they are deeply invested and interested in also solving this problem

[obtuse mauve]

But don't forget TS meta also shifts. Being in top100 today doesn't necessarily mean you'll be there next month, especially with 4 different debuffs

[cinder cargo]

and if they were a whale before they can just continue whaling on a new region

or just catch up what they missed ig

[astral hatch]

Cheaper to buy an account than catch up

[cinder cargo]

a good way to boost returning players is to make newer heroes very op

[cinder cargo]

ye but buying accounts isn't technically following ToS

[astral hatch]

Neither is account sharing

And yet

[cinder cargo]

I mean ye they could also just share account with someone else

but like are you going to recommend that in questions or to lilith

[worthy rapids]

2 krakens on 1 account

[cinder cargo]

returning player? yeah just acquire a new account

[obtuse mauve]

Imagine cash flow that's not towards Lilith...

[sour jay]

i do miss my old acc with s3 frame and animated raku, but it's horrifically dead

[worthy rapids]

i surpassed my old account in 7 months with VERY light spending

[fair rapids]

Am I tripping or is that 2* have less cmbr than the 1*

[cinder cargo]

I think restarting is a very reasonable recommendation

[cinder cargo]

no hero specific gear

[sour jay]

no arti

[cinder cargo]

you lose the biggest T3 stat bonsues

[fair rapids]

Oh ic

[cinder cargo]

which is actually a lot surprisingly

also what joux said

[sour jay]

trials don't get the hero specific gear? then wtf does t4 mean, just t25* still?

[obtuse mauve]

Flat stats, I guess

[cinder cargo]

no you just don't get the stats below the hero specific line

[obtuse mauve]

Atk, acc, dodge, etc.

[old fog]

5 MINUTES

[cinder cargo]

T4 heroless gear are best for supporst

[astral hatch]

I am not at Liberty to share what we did or did not discuss

[worthy rapids]

t4 is like 2.5x stats of t3

[cinder cargo]

but you can't just get T4 heroless gear

[fair rapids]

Never knew that

[cinder cargo]

which I hate lilith for not having tbh

just make reso T4

[fair rapids]

^

[tranquil crane]

we talked about dragon having a spending problem. it was a major concern to everyone there.

[cinder cargo]

doesn't actually do anything for modes that matter

makes pve a lot less cringe rng

[astral hatch]

I don’t understand how people can’t keep up with gear tbh. I don’t do anything special to get stones but I always have a surplus

[cinder cargo]

I mean T4 gear is an accumulation thing

[worthy rapids]

i have like 9 t4 boxes atm and 0 t1/2

[cinder cargo]

newer people that just got all their 4fs built won't have enough

[old fog]

like me

[cinder cargo]

for me it's like, am I really going to T4 my khazard

[worthy rapids]

its literally harder to get t2 stones than t3/4

[fair rapids]

[fair rapids]

T1 and T2 are so hard to get 💯

[sour jay]

Mostly cause we use t2 boxes on t1 too

[fair rapids]

Have to buy from guild shop

[worthy rapids]

im actually thinking about doing this

[sour jay]

I use t3 on it cause I'm not kraken enough to be t50 for t4 chests

[old fog]

1 MINUTE

[sour jay]

🎉

Pulling whyca on the dot?

[fair rapids]

It's not birthday why are you back

[astral hatch]

Yeah makes sense

[cinder cargo]

[worthy rapids]

[cinder cargo]

lmao

[fair rapids]

Wtf why

[old fog]

🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉 ITS MY BDAYYYYY

[tranquil crane]

🎉

[cinder cargo]

wait there's no way you spent t4 chests for t1 stones

[fair rapids]

My clock is slow not yet

[old fog]

i wish lmao i’d get attacked by dragon for not waiting

[cinder cargo]

happy birthday 🥳

[worthy rapids]

[old fog]

ty lads love you all

[fair rapids]

Happy birthday 🥳

My clock is slow

[old fog]

skill issue

[fair rapids]

Clock reminded me of you ngl

[old fog]

mf you said you wouldn’t booli me on my bday

[cinder cargo]

[fair rapids]

[cinder cargo]

that's so tough

[dark kraken]

happy bday

[civic badger]

is yen used anywhere besides pve

[cinder cargo]

there are some weird niche uses for her

like very weird very niche

[fair rapids]

Pvp

[old fog]

i’m old now

[cinder cargo]

oh wait you said pve not pvp

[civic badger]

i don't see yen in pvp tho

[fair rapids]

Nitro is now a teen

[dark kraken]

dude u r a couple months older than me smh

[worthy rapids]

i wanted to test this and had one dim unupgraded gear on her

[fair rapids]

[cinder cargo]

dude

[dark kraken]

maaannnnn i can get 62B

[cinder cargo]

please tell me you knew you can use t1 and t2 gear as stones

[worthy rapids]

what

[old fog]

it’s ok ur infinitely better at the game than me

[worldly belfry]

happy birthday Nitroo

[worthy rapids]

wdym

[old fog]

ty duckyyy

[cinder cargo]

there's no way

[fair rapids]

Wait what?...

[worthy rapids]

thats like giga late whale shit

[cinder cargo]

rip t4 chests I recommend you restart on the newest server

[fair rapids]

[cinder cargo]

?

[worthy rapids]

i cant do that

[cinder cargo]

you literally can just use them

[fair rapids]

How do you do it lol

[cinder cargo]

wait why not

[worthy rapids]

well i would need some useless t1 gear in the first place

[astral hatch]

Man, that was so easy to come by in the olden days

[cinder cargo]

oh ye

[astral hatch]

All that factionless T1 and T2

[cinder cargo]

ok but imagine not having a truckload of t1 and t2 factionless gear

[worthy rapids]

.

[cinder cargo]

I recommend you buying the next 500 t1 and t2 stones from shop for diamonds

that way you can start using t1 and t2 gear as stones

[worthy rapids]

ok whale me 15 ARs

[cinder cargo]

do we actually have 15 ARs now

[worthy rapids]

isnt there more?

[worldly belfry]

Whale me AR pizza

i need celepogs

[cinder cargo]

shoot arkinz f2p theory is starting to become expensive

it worked when there were 3 ARs

[sour jay]

AR sucks

[cinder cargo]

was okay when there was 5

[fair rapids]

Not true

[cinder cargo]

15???

[worthy rapids]

this is all my knowledge about ARs

[worldly belfry]

arkinz suck

[cinder cargo]

@ arkinz

[sour jay]

It has no time cards, no bait, and doesn't give you a record

[fair rapids]

There is not 15

[cinder cargo]

[cinder cargo]

there's a bunch of climber pack

[worldly belfry]

heh no arkinz

[fair rapids]

There is like 9 with the new one

[cinder cargo]

wdym no record

[proven vault]

@earnest tendon it's time

[astral hatch]

Melodic

[cinder cargo]

I have no idea how that even works lol

[sour jay]

Maybe minor but I like the gamba, I got the 2 spice bag once

[cinder cargo]

I just know it always gives me a for no reason

[abstract storm]

It does that when it has a special deal I think

[worthy rapids]

they want us to remember that we are poor

[cinder cargo]

which is like every single day

[sour jay]

Melodic pings every day

[cinder cargo]

[sour jay]

But the melodic deals are SO bad lol

[worldly belfry]

that AR will help me catch up to celepogs which can possibly help me get t100

[abstract storm]

Ah 😓

[abstract storm]

The special ones aren't too bad

[cinder cargo]

ARs are still pretty good diamond value wise

[worldly belfry]

but wont buy anything

[cinder cargo]

since you literally get diamonds

[sour jay]

Maybe in your value range

[cinder cargo]

which is OP for new players that aren't already named Dragon

[abstract storm]

They're better than 25$ yuexis I thought 😓

[worldly belfry]

draken AR lover

[sour jay]

I put low value on diamonds tbh. Celepo are nice but wokes and pets are what matters most

[cinder cargo]

like new players dont' need 5 TG cards as much as they need 50 scrolls

[sour jay]

Those deals also suck lol, at least imo

[cinder cargo]

pulling like 5000x is so op

[astral hatch]

5 single pull guaranteed drops, 5 cards op op

[worthy rapids]

you get a ton of other shit from sgs tho

[cinder cargo]

[abstract storm]

They have baits/shards that show up there occasionally

[fair rapids]

I've bought them all xD

[abstract storm]

Fair 😓

[sour jay]

but not time card or bait

[fair rapids]

I even bought ones I ain't complete lol

[worldly belfry]

it shows

[worthy rapids]

i would buy ARs but they are out of my reach

[cinder cargo]

you don't have to gaze with ARs

it's not a forced 90 SGs for 15$

[astral hatch]

Just use them for CR retries

[fair rapids]

Poland exchange prob like 50$ for you

[cinder cargo]

which is incredibly cheap anyways if you think about it

[cinder cargo]

I'm okay with not doing that ty sir

[worthy rapids]

almost 28$

[cinder cargo]

90 SGs though

[sour jay]

what else to do with diamonds past like the first 2 months of the game

[cinder cargo]

that's like 5 celepos on average

[sour jay]

what

[cinder cargo]

assuming 1 in 18 luck which is normal

[sour jay]

[worthy rapids]

hcp new op 4fs

[edgy pumice]

1 in 8 luck is normal too

[fair rapids]

Not too bad that's 28$ for 100 sg basically

[cinder cargo]

star up palmer

[worldly belfry]

my luck is 1 in 61

[edgy pumice]

thats not luck anymore thats unluck

[cinder cargo]

[worldly belfry]

makes sense fk it

[astral hatch]

One guarantee. Worth it imo.

[worthy rapids]

1.5 actually

[fair rapids]

Actually 4

[cinder cargo]

but ye I feel like you can build a lot of stuff as a newish player from ARs

[fair rapids]

Early 4f and then mid game celepogs

AR is very good

[cinder cargo]

unless you're a draken, HCP and fodder will remain prio for quite some time

[worthy rapids]

its a huge boost to having 5 A heroes

[fair rapids]

All mine went into dae and alna tho xD

[cinder cargo]

ye

I think using diamonds for gazing makes it not as good

should cram instead

[fair rapids]

[cinder cargo]

but ye HCP and 2700x are the highest value things

assuming they are still good

[fair rapids]

Dust Nobel is like 100+ lvls early game at ch 28~

[sour jay]

deluxe monthly is king

[cinder cargo]

honestly doing dust noble for first noble is so nice

[worthy rapids]

or maybe just maybe save all the dias for the 200 dias fast rewards

[fair rapids]

CK hit 240 so fast bc that lol

[cinder cargo]

lv 240 levels cost like free per level

and gives like 25% increase in stats

(1/4 and 2.5% respectively)

[fair rapids]

[cinder cargo]

which is like 10.4% per level vs 1.5% at best value 502+ zone

[cinder willow]

[cinder cargo]

wtf is that

dude just went sort by engraving and selected his heroes

[fair rapids]

@spice finch

[cinder cargo]

losing to abelinda

[worthy rapids]

this is the first berts time on this right?

[astral hatch]

I know all of these guys wtf

[cinder cargo]

?

[spice finch]

happy bday

[worthy rapids]

bert can heal when there is no healing

[spice finch]

easy

[cinder cargo]

wait what the heck?

[sour jay]

i used bert last week on it

[sour jay]

he doesn't heal, he balances health

[cinder cargo]

oh ye hp share

[fair rapids]

Yea t20 r44 has all the boys

[cinder cargo]

dude that HP share thing is so OP in TS

[worldly belfry]

if only I had Merlin and Yen

i could probably stay t100 without getting kicked

[cinder cargo]

say no to using ainz

[worthy rapids]

[cinder cargo]

[worldly belfry]

Waiting for next month, to use Merlin and Yen

[worthy rapids]

at least now i know yenn works

[spice finch]

get potatoed

[cinder cargo]

do you feel like a potato now

[fair rapids]

Sealed

[cinder cargo]

[worldly belfry]

Merlin gonna come next 2 days

[worthy rapids]

lol i almost won that

i would win with talis 12

[cinder cargo]

idk why mae stall isn't more popular in my region

[worldly belfry]

while yen will come during Oct. 1

[astral hatch]

TurboThorben is my guildie, Bjorn. He used to be top on server 530 with crypto until he quit for a while then rolled a new account when he came back.

[worthy rapids]

[cinder cargo]

how good is abelinda for you @astral hatch

you probably don't use her now, but at like 6 comp

[fair rapids]

Ic I just saw he was in highly active that's cool

[astral hatch]

She’s one of those 50ish % comps

[cinder cargo]

oh really?

why's she doing like 20% for me

[worthy rapids]

twice in a row

[fair rapids]

@spice finch holy shit man

Bert on demon time lol

[spice finch]

[cinder cargo]

sir draken

why is your lucilla not e60

[fair rapids]

I'm only fighting his stall burst thing

[worthy rapids]

why only 451

[spice finch]

what is it

[fair rapids]

Is that rift...

[worthy rapids]

lb tower

[fair rapids]

Oh

[spice finch]

cause i don't have my lbs on crystal and can't push

[cinder cargo]

I recommend spending between 300-400k diamonds expanding RC slots

[fair rapids]

I thinks she might be next

[copper sphinx]

100k PoE 14 furns

[cinder cargo]

it's a long term investment

never goes out of meta

[spice finch]

[fair rapids]

Burst going nutty

[cinder cargo]

sheesh

[spice finch]

draken

[worthy rapids]

delaying palmer feels wrong tho

[fair rapids]

FL he will just die vs most things

[cinder cargo]

just undie him

[astral hatch]

wtfhax

[worthy rapids]

can you stop sealing my yenn

[fair rapids]

Cruke actually doing stuff now let's go

[worthy rapids]

he didnt do anything

[copper sphinx]

Abel sadge

Won't talk about 4th

[cinder cargo]

where is your ivan

[sour jay]

i wish my scarlet did that well

[copper sphinx]

Crying on the floor

[worthy rapids]

brutus with yenn

[fair rapids]

Why he build team over olg?

[cinder cargo]

oh I passed koyu in exp

[sour jay]

framton op duh

[copper sphinx]

2000 iq strat from choerry which Works pretty well

[cinder cargo]

it only took 3 years after he quit

[fair rapids]

[copper sphinx]

Jokes aside I need to redo my team but I'm trash at this

[astral hatch]

Spammer

[astral hatch]

He’s building for CR

[sour jay]

isn't olgath in cr too

[worthy rapids]

and nc

[fair rapids]

So why not olg

[worthy rapids]

i dont get why cruke > olgath in prio

[fair rapids]

Both are cool

[worthy rapids]

ur seal kinda bad

[fair rapids]

[cinder cargo]

I mean what does olgath do

[worthy rapids]

big dmg

[cinder cargo]

where

[worldly belfry]

olgath jumps and pewpewpew big worm

[worthy rapids]

here

[gilded salmon]

nc? I sleep

[fair rapids]

[cinder cargo]

ok but NC ranking doesn't matter so

[astral hatch]

Cause he can merc

[cinder cargo]

he's just too unversatile to be worth

you literally need to have maetria

[fair rapids]

He doesn't have better Merc?

[sour jay]

even with mae I'm gonna build cruke first prob. but we'll see what the meta is like then

[cinder cargo]

and maetria is currently in don't build if you are not a whale tier

[gilded salmon]

there is no world id build olgath first over cruke

[sour jay]

i disagree with that but w/e

[cinder cargo]

what about a world where olgath is a 4f

[fair rapids]

[sour jay]

whta jd said, not salsa

[cinder cargo]

wdym

[fair rapids]

She has very niche use atm

[cinder cargo]

the heck are you using maetria for

[sour jay]

mae gud

everything

[fair rapids]

Same but...

[gilded salmon]

yeah mae is good what

[cinder cargo]

I don't want usage count, I want impact measure

[worthy rapids]

my brutus with seal 13 just beat mae with seal 18

[sour jay]

makes new team in TS, adds a lot of dmg to CR and not bad in NC even without her boss

[fair rapids]

[cinder cargo]

it's like 1b damage in CR

[sour jay]

not saying she's best, but "whale only" tier is what I disagree with

[astral hatch]

Sure, he mercs all kinds of stuff. Like Olgath.

[cinder cargo]

whale only tier is like everything that's not top 4

*5 including abaden

[olive moat]

Mae is ok

[fair rapids]

Fair enough

[worthy rapids]

this is my merc like every week now for the next few months

[sour jay]

Same

[cinder cargo]

where are you going to get TGs to build 6 old wokes when a new one releases every 2 months

hence whale only tier

[olive moat]

From you

[cinder cargo]

same as the rest of the abrutus athane asolise squad

[olive moat]

Hand them over

[fair rapids]

I think I'ma have to put Lyca in dims ..

My dims took smol

[cinder cargo]

ok mae is slightly better than gen 1 outdated squad but

don't build unless whale tier nevertheless

if you don't have any wokes before gen2 and have all gen 2s except maetria, you are a whale

[fair rapids]

Maybe Lyca don't need to be here anyway...

[cinder cargo]

shiny sparkle!

[fair rapids]

Wtf where those come from

[copper sphinx]

wtf is that

I've never seen that before

[fair rapids]

Oh it's Lyca ult in the background XD

[civic badger]

nice

[copper sphinx]

LOL

[cinder cargo]

girl photo editor app

[worthy rapids]

[cinder cargo]

[cinder cargo]

well you still have 5 11X of them

[sour jay]

Build zikis

[copper sphinx]

I swear those are some aesthetic sruff particles

[worldly belfry]

smh, no. 29whale 2lene

[cinder cargo]

can always flex your 150 heroes cap instead of 11X

[olive moat]

Nice rc level

[cinder cargo]

[solemn sage]

getting close to room for all fodder heroes

[cinder cargo]

who cares that you have more slots than heroes

[astral hatch]

The slot expansion they did was great. I’ll never have to buy slots again.

[cinder cargo]

just have empty slot

[fair rapids]

[worldly belfry]

damn i want that wukong

[cinder cargo]

can't depreciate value if they were never worth anything in the first place

[worldly belfry]

wanna have 309f wukong

[astral hatch]

I used to have 5* 209 wu kong

Now I have 5* 209 Zikis

[cinder cargo]

wukong was good for chasmic

[fair rapids]

Si20 no furn

[astral hatch]

[copper sphinx]

Still have 4/5 heroes waiting

[fair rapids]

Wait.

[astral hatch]

Zikis was the optimal swap. I had just one copy of him. Maximum tree return.

[cinder cargo]

coolest thing is you don't have to rebuild wukong for max tree/rc

[fair rapids]

Smart

[astral hatch]

Yeah, I’m still doing it though for future swap

Or maybe Zikis keeps leap frogging lol

[obtuse mauve]

This team seems to easily beat most Abel comps, can deal well with Mulan and sometimes even beats remjobs and athalias. Surprisingly it suffers a lot against yen. Probably taking lyca to p3 or p5 will help with that

[solemn sage]

wukong will become big and strong again

[sour jay]

i would be very surprised if they let you swap wuk again

[fair rapids]

I hope lol

[astral hatch]

They don’t want swap events. They really don’t like them.

But the community wanting swaps is a symptom of a bigger problem with asset retirement strategies for legacy power systems

[sour jay]

yeah, with massive powercreep it feels really bad to invest hard into a unit

[worthy rapids]

i wouldnt mind if they made it like once every few months but you would have to pay like 20k dias or something

[sour jay]

I hate that cause I don't want ppl who made stupid mistakes to get back into the game

Some regions had that issue, dumb ppl like @brisk urchin build talene then got to fix their mistakes

[olive moat]

I think they should do swap events but only for me and no one else

[brisk urchin]

It was a masterful strategy

[proven hearth]

Sent

[brisk urchin]

All planned all along

[sour jay]

[old fog]

what should i pull for my birthday

[astral hatch]

Hoes

[sour jay]

I think he's too young for that

[old fog]

not happening i play afka

[olive moat]

Happy 15th birthday nitro

[worthy rapids]

paying dias for swap would be a good solution tho, if you didnt make mistakes you are 20k or whatever that cost would be above others

[proven hearth]

Nope

[old fog]

ty potato

[sour jay]

Make it swap 2 units for 1

Or 3 for 1

[fair rapids]

@old fog you should hold cards till next birthday

[old fog]

i’ll kill myself before my next bday if i hold cards

[fair rapids]

😦

[sour jay]

wtf

jd hoard strat tho

[old fog]

no

[sour jay]

why built a woke that's gonna be powercrept by next year

[old fog]

i’d rather pull for aezizh then gold cards til next bday

[sour jay]

when you can wait a year and build 3 wokes that'll be powercrept in a year

[spice finch]

why build a woke that'll get powercrept by the next one

[worthy rapids]

why use dust boxes if youll get much more dust when youre in ch50

[sour jay]

huh

dust caps at 28-36

[worthy rapids]

whatever

[obtuse mauve]

And today you can get to chapter 30 in less than 2 weeks

[worthy rapids]

less than 1 week*

[obtuse mauve]

While holding dust

[worthy rapids]

oh

[sour jay]

with rem and ivan you'll get ch 30 in a day

[obtuse mauve]

Can't get rem today though

[sour jay]

yeah but one day it'll be today

[worthy rapids]

after rem garrison the guide will look so funny

"use every faction scroll on gbs to get ivan -> garrison rem -> push to ch31"

[obtuse mauve]

When rem garrison is available, if power creep continues like today, there will be 10 better options available

[sour jay]

I'm planning to have ppl WL shemira for 2 extra copies, swap to mauler or lb for dim link

but maybe that's too hard to follow for the smoof brains

[sour jay]

I mean daimon is like 3 yrs old and hasn't been crept in the early game (until rem comes)

mostly bc he's cheap as fuck to get working

[obtuse mauve]

I'd say daimon is crept by Ivan, if they didn't work perfectly well together

[worthy rapids]

i like to push early game with raku much more than daimon even if its harder

[proven vault]

What heroes did you guys picked for the lost spire event ?

[sour jay]

yeah, at the very least ivan lets you skip daimon if you want

[sour jay]

tamrus, eorin so far

[obtuse mauve]

Ivan + naroko will rival daimon, imo

[worthy rapids]

brutus emi easy work

[sour jay]

tho I'm not pushing more because i want to get the runes that increase point gain on win first

[sour jay]

eorin does too

[obtuse mauve]

Yeah

[sour jay]

daimon still fastest and cheapest, but not by much

totally skippable if you want to

[obtuse mauve]

Grit also kinda helps daimon in a sense. You can even engrave daimon early without much consequence

[sour jay]

yeah, tho he doesn't rlly benefit a lot from it tbh

[obtuse mauve]

Just raise stats is enough, completely takes the pressure off the dust wall

[sour jay]

daimon is somewhat less dependent on stats since he steals a lot from enemies (tho he really likes haste)

[worthy rapids]

he likes to be alive

yenn is so weird

[fair rapids]

Use chicken over Oden

[worthy rapids]

oh she ulted before she used the tornado thing

that fucked up the timing

[obtuse mauve]

Too much energy

[worthy rapids]

rem 9f + bert ye

[worthy rapids]

that yenn is too little for that

[fair rapids]

I did it last red

[worthy rapids]

but this will troll rem

shes not the main carry so using chicken here is troll

[fair rapids]

So uh yea my Luci too small xD

[obtuse mauve]

I'm not recommending chicken anymore, cuz I've been using tamrus most of the time

[worthy rapids]

why merlin front

[fair rapids]

What I was told to do...

[worthy rapids]

[fair rapids]

Swap him in Luci prob the play

I'll swap around Merlin and Luci

[worthy rapids]

i kinda dont like the "fear" of mulan

it trolls the positions so bad

[fair rapids]

Well emi bert P4 is also troll

And bedo is SUS

[worthy rapids]

emi will buff bert tho

[fair rapids]

It might be safer now bc 4 teams and I'll prob be at 5 teams tmrw alr will test it

[feral coral]

@obtuse mauve

[restive goblet]

[tranquil crane]

Olgath or Orthros?

[fair rapids]

Waden and Ivan are op together

[fair rapids]

You gonna gaze orthos

[tranquil crane]

i mean he's used all the time in CR

[fair rapids]

Just wait 5 months

[olive moat]

Olg for u. Ts

Lc too probably

[obtuse mauve]

Easy climbing, but will she help in the boss? It's the magma queen. I don't remember what was good when she was in abex

[cinder willow]

+1

[tranquil crane]

yeah LC use is nice, but I don't need to build for TS- I could probably forget to set teams and still make top 10

[olive moat]

U gotta beat asulgard

I believe in u

[tranquil crane]

[olive moat]

[restive goblet]

Does it look like there is any downside to just collecting the torches for now and waiting to push until we know what is going on?

[feral coral]

All I know is that she looks cool

[obtuse mauve]

Ofc there's a downside. Anxiety management costs

[obtuse mauve]

Fair enough!

Without thinking too much, I bought a couple of economy runes, then +30 raku and 9f tamrus, and pushed. I don't believe getting all rewards will be difficult, tbh

[lime zinc]

Seems easy enough that you don't need to worry about anything

[civic badger]

not really a fan of the new event tbh

seems like a rehash of lab and rift which i loath

[tranquil crane]

just R45 things

[cinder willow]

what gamemode do you even like if you get diamond in cr/nc and 14% ts and not rift or lab?

[feral coral]

Campaign

[tranquil crane]

speaking of campaign, im thinking i might be near the point where I can auto another chapter, is there any particularly good team for wyca?

with bert charm shenanigans?

[sour jay]

JD was saying whyca sucks in campaign, and while I don't trust him in general for campaign stuff he's reliable

[cinder willow]

wutus anasta wyca mulan tamrus did good for me with seal/tali

[tranquil crane]

hmm alright ill tinker with stuff, cheers

[civic badger]

@cinder willow camp

[astral hatch]

This works really well for me. I had fun figuring this out.

[tranquil crane]

neat

cheers

[worthy rapids]

nev with bert is nice

i used that combo in rift

[astral hatch]

I use this with all my singles now. Good times.

[cinder cargo]

I have since then changed my opinion pretty big time

[cinder cargo]

[astral hatch]

This was fun too

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1117063479610847263/1151595910153900082/2023-09-13_150946_video.mov

[cinder cargo]

This is my new goto comp for single comps campaign @sour jay @tranquil crane

Beaten like 10 singles in a row consecutively without changing position

[tranquil crane]

that comp looks like a fever dream lmao

[cinder cargo]

Wow that background is nice

[tranquil crane]

campaign is so weird

[cinder cargo]

Alyca is basically just a higher power Alna when used with daemia and emi

Who also deals a decent amount of damage

[sour jay]

do character furn effects apply before whyca comes out? like if someone backline "dies" will rem protect them?

[cinder cargo]

Can do like 150b damage in some matchups

[astral hatch]

Making teams is what I find the most fun in this game.

[tranquil crane]

[cinder cargo]

Passives trigger instantly upon battle start

There's no animation required

[astral hatch]

Untrue. Alna dying at start says hello.

[cinder cargo]

So things like zol 3f, skriath 3f, rem protect etc. Will trigger regardless of whether the hero is on the battle field

Alna immune is not a passive

Alna immune is more astar lantern

[astral hatch]

Alan has no passive, my god

[cinder cargo]

Or wave lantern

[cinder cargo]

She has the decrease haste thing

But the immunity thing is active I'm pretty sure

[lime zinc]

It's her S3 skill

So yeah, it's an active skill not a passive.

[civic badger]

does she replace alna

[cinder cargo]

Oh that's actually interesting

[worthy rapids]

replace is a bad word

[cinder cargo]

She nerfs enemy dodge big time

Which is actually really for for Alyca

[worthy rapids]

it has like 2s uptime

[cinder cargo]

[lime zinc]

Really for for

[lime zinc]

Didn't I mention this as soon as we had the first leaks

[cinder cargo]

[cinder cargo]

I don't remember

[lime zinc]

Thought about it when I was considering whether she'd work on Rem Job

[cinder cargo]

Anyway I came here to post this

When yo finally found the right comp set

[civic badger]

whale

[cinder cargo]

[cinder cargo]

If I were whale I'd have a 50% WR in top 3

[lime zinc]

when you check TS 2hrs in and you get fucked 4hrs later by RNG

[cinder cargo]

[astral hatch]

https://tenor.com/view/mando-way-mandalorian-star-wars-this-is-the-way-gif-18467372

[cinder cargo]

I mean my cheap ass team has scammed enough actual teams for me to be happy anyways

No olgath, but minor detail

[fair rapids]

3/4 doing decent

[lime zinc]

I successfully ruined the WR of one of my good teams and replaced my 4th with an equally trash team

[cinder cargo]

[cinder cargo]

Wait why's your Bert luci dim comp doing so poorly

[fair rapids]

Smol

I'm missing e60 Luci and +30 Merlin

Those help alot

[cinder cargo]

OK what the heck

[fair rapids]

And e60 emi could help bc she kina fucks the team over when she dies

[cinder cargo]

I fought 12 abelinda out 18 fights with my Bert comp

[cinder cargo]

Oh ye

Both are huge

[fair rapids]

That team needs 3 e60's

[oak yarrow]

Draken ur a whale u will be fine

[fair rapids]

And +30's

[lime zinc]

Was that the Tal/AwBrutus/Flora/smth/Ivan team you were showing earlier

[worthy rapids]

who needs a full team

[cinder cargo]

Ye

[rich tree]

Thx I hate this NC gotta waste diamonds to figure something between Alyca or 1lene

[cinder cargo]

[oak yarrow]

Now I know ur a whale

[cinder cargo]

OK the WR doesn't look that amazing

[lime zinc]

[fair rapids]

Does Lyca kill r6?

[cinder cargo]

But do note that it 1. Doesn't take any heroes used anywhere else

[worthy rapids]

how

[oak yarrow]

I don’t even needa full team

[cinder cargo]

2. Beats out a lot of the lower WR comps like Athane burst and abelinda

[rich tree]

I didn’t test that

[fair rapids]

Ic

[cinder cargo]

Only problem is you need to use seal

But I can afford that

[fair rapids]

So r4 gets shafted

[rich tree]

I’m doing merc r5 Alyca and brokelene and Lsol

[worthy rapids]

wtf is this

[cinder cargo]

I'm just annoyed at the number of Alna rems that comp is facing

[lime zinc]

Why's Dae look so weird and black/green there

[obtuse mauve]

I've been facing 1/3 of alna comps at 4 teams... rngesus protect me

[lime zinc]

Could be worse, could be 1/2

[worthy rapids]

shes reversed michael jackson

[obtuse mauve]

Ye

[fair rapids]

Does it kill? And what's the time

[obtuse mauve]

This round is actually going better in that front, around 1/4 Alnas until now

[proven hearth]

I’ve wasted so many dias

[rich tree]

5:41 was my best. But I have broke supports

Everyone uses Anasta as a sub and mine is so broke

[proven hearth]

I finally went below 3 minutes. It’s crazy

[oak yarrow]

Hi friends

[rich tree]

Same I’m at 700 restarts

Just testing

[gilded salmon]

wtf

[rich tree]

I don’t care about diamonds rn

[olive moat]

GAMBLING :LETSFUCKINGGO:

[rich tree]

[oak yarrow]

Hi aefryn

[rich tree]

[oak yarrow]

How’s ts going mate

[rich tree]

13 for now

[oak yarrow]

Lucky I went to sleep t80 and woke up 1%

[rich tree]

Abel is starting to fall hard

[oak yarrow]

Good shit tho

Abel kinda belongs in the 🗑️