treasure-scramble

[lofty silo]

I went for red chests, feels good

Floor 60 celestial tiles

[proven vault]

I have a 309e60 walker

[crude flax]

floor 60 isles = whale

[earnest tendon]

Skull issue

[lofty silo]

[proven vault]

I'm not the one on floor 21 tho

[earnest tendon]

Im lazy issue

[lofty silo]

I want this. Idk how hard it is to get it and how many will try hard for it

[spice finch]

you need to emerge

[proven vault]

And skill issue too

[earnest tendon]

[fair rapids]

Where about the same you did better in Cr and ts

[earnest tendon]

Help to emerge

[fair rapids]

Same

[spice finch]

[fair rapids]

We are*

[proven hearth]

Terrible

[earnest tendon]

[spice finch]

[cinder cargo]

[cinder cargo]

they still give out frames for trift?

[fair rapids]

[cinder cargo]

isn't there like no competition

[lofty silo]

Its for how high you get.

[sour jay]

There is past 300

[cinder cargo]

is 280 high?

[sour jay]

I think only one person got above 400 last season

[lofty silo]

There is no cap on floors. Many stop at 300, (reward cap)

[proven vault]

it's current max

[cinder cargo]

does it become not capped at 300?

[proven vault]

we get 20 more floors per week

and after 300 it's free real estate

[sour jay]

After next week you can go as high as you want

[lofty silo]

There wasn’t a reward except the guild chest, so I’m sure many didn’t care. Now there is a frame. It will go crazy

[sour jay]

It gets insanely hard

[cinder cargo]

or is it just race at the end

[civic badger]

they'll add more rewards post lvl 300 rift one day

[lofty silo]

Not a race. Simply highest floor

[sour jay]

Prob just mostly rng on what matchups and badges you get + using restarts and stability well

[warped kayak]

Also New chapter

[lofty silo]

@cinder cargo last season leaderboard

[cinder cargo]

sounds extremely annoying

what were the s4 trift frames for

[fair rapids]

I hope I can score top 2k

[cinder cargo]

I don't remeber seeing one

[lofty silo]

Frames were for the guild hunt before

The boss. Now its for highest floor

[cinder cargo]

I maxed damage in guild hunt, can i get frame

[lofty silo]

Grant hunt*

Or w/e it was called 😂

[cinder cargo]

but there wasn't a 4th season with a grand hunt was there?

[lofty silo]

No

[worthy rapids]

I'd love to grind rift with maxed TE and stuff

[lofty silo]

Well there was 4 seasons

First season didn’t have a boss I think

The leaderboard is with floor

[candid jungle]

Lmao how did this already spread

[lofty silo]

S2, s3, s4 has grand hunt. so only 3 frame

[candid jungle]

I posted it like 1hr ago in bnb chat

[crude flax]

do the key deals reset every day?

[civic badger]

yes

[crude flax]

I didn't buy any this time around. I remember doing the $1 deals on one of the other isle events but dunno if the higher cost packs reset each day during the event also.

[civic badger]

do it whale harder

[candid jungle]

The keys from daily deals, yes. The keys from special event deals, no.

[crude flax]

gotcha

[cinder cargo]

is that yours?

[crude flax]

@candid jungle do you auto pick or click particular tiles each floor?

[candid jungle]

Click

[civic badger]

wouldnt it be better to auto pick until every ten floors and then click

while on every ten floors

[obtuse mauve]

How do you auto pick?

[mossy bridge]

na the distribution doesnt seem to be uniform, there's a best pattern to follow

[sour jay]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/974081672972763186/1145846882761965648/celestial-reward-trick.png

I do this, anecdotally seems good but it's probably just copium

[earnest tendon]

[obtuse mauve]

I'd love to see proof of that

[earnest tendon]

I always do red then blue

[candid jungle]

[cinder cargo]

[mossy bridge]

there's no chance its not at least somewhat true, or at least the corners are definitely better

like it's statistically very likely to be better

[cinder cargo]

how is it statistically very likely to be better

[obtuse mauve]

Do you guys realize with software they don't even need to "place" the portals beforehand? They can just coin-flip when you click somewhere

[cinder cargo]

yes that is true

same as SG

[mossy bridge]

because if it was uniform, you'd expect WAY less corners to be portals than what you actually get

[cinder cargo]

it's literally pure rng

[mossy bridge]

i'd say at least ~15 of my 45 portals were corners

[cinder cargo]

well how are you clicking the tiles though

[proven vault]

pure copium imo but we never know

[mossy bridge]

but there are only 4 corners out of 36

[cinder cargo]

if you click the corners first, ofc there will be more corners

[flat tapir]

Have cr plates went out?

[mossy bridge]

ah true, I guess it could just be more likely than just uniform for each tile, it doesnt have to all add up to 1

u right

[cinder cargo]

it has nothing to do with what tile you clicked, literally as simple as

if tileCount > 1:
    return Math.Random() * #some function
return win```

[earnest tendon]

[candid jungle]

damn imagine if you did middle first, would have gotten 30 out of 45 middle, trust me

[mossy bridge]

i agree that this is possibly how it's done, but we don't know for sure how they coded it lol, could also easily have weighted probabilities based on position

[cinder cargo]

but why though

[fair rapids]

Starting purple has cleared me so many floors I always start purple then do a big X

[cinder cargo]

like imagine if you were lilith

[mossy bridge]

why not, they pull sneaky shit like that alll the time like with the dice rolls in IoG

[cinder cargo]

or rather a lilith dev making x$ a year writing code

[flat tapir]

Daemia simp, can u tell me ur logic over why ur doing solise over baden

[mossy bridge]

its as easy as adding an additional if statement

there's no way to know

other than just testing

[cinder cargo]

you were tasked to do an event like this.

Would you

1. Make it work in the simplest yet effective way possible
2. Make your own life harder by inputting a bunch of arbitrary magic values becaue you are bored and want to run into more bugs?

[mossy bridge]

its literally not difficult at all though also who knows what instructions the devs get. Who knows if they decide how the rng works at all or if it comes from above

[cinder cargo]

it's like for star gazing

why would the 10x pull not just be calling the "pull" component 10 times?

[earnest tendon]

Where popcorn

[cinder cargo]

I mean true the instructions could come from above, but what incentive does anyone have to make the code more complicated?

[worthy rapids]

another thing worth checking is: is there a fixed amount of x5 points, x2 points etc each isle

[mossy bridge]

i agree with u that it's almost certainly random, but the coding argument doesn't hold up, it's soooo easy to weigh probabilities to make something like that map joux shared

[cinder cargo]

Because there for sure is a negative incentive to do that instead of being more simple (more bugs, higher complexity, takes longer to update etc.)

[mossy bridge]

would take a senior dev literally 2 minutes

[cinder cargo]

it doesn't take a pro coder less time to input magic constants

if there are actually 6 different probabilities, someone would have to enter them somewhere

I guess it's a trivial amount of extra time taken to code

but if something breaks that's 6 times the amount of things they have to step through to find the bug

which doesn't really make any sense when it doesn't bring them more profit

[worthy rapids]

is there even a space for bug with something that simple

im not any pro and it would take me like 20 min to code this

[cinder cargo]

well not necessarily bug, but say if lilith wanted to adjust the probaility of going to the next island

[mossy bridge]

idk, I do software for a living and I don't really see like a difficulty in this, but I'm not that familiar with how lilith works or what their codebase is like, JD is probably way more familiar

[cinder cargo]

then someone would have to go around and change those 6 values

or apply a function to adjust them all proportionately, which adds even more complexity

[crude flax]

who cares

[mossy bridge]

me its fun to talk about this stuff sorry its hella off topic

[cinder cargo]

^

[mossy bridge]

[crude flax]

Isn't everything in this channel off topic

[mossy bridge]

[proven vault]

@fair rapids you're not building solise right ?

[crude flax]

dragon is building everything

[proven vault]

true

[crude flax]

draken

[proven hearth]

Draken

[cinder cargo]

Draken

[proven hearth]

[worthy rapids]

but we're talking about a way to get more stuff from random select tile event to get better stuff for the next ts

[proven vault]

hive mind

[obtuse mauve]

I'd love to see proof of loaded probability, but I think it would be a very high risk of huge bad rep and Lilith wouldn't take the chances with it being so easy to prove

[flat tapir]

I'm glad people don't try to pretend like I'm a kraken

[cinder cargo]

how would you prove that though

[crude flax]

what if every time you click a tile, the portal randomises again

[fair rapids]

I never said this

[flat tapir]

Light spending now

[cinder cargo]

ah yes

[worthy rapids]

[proven vault]

that's what I thought, he's having hallucination ig

[worthy rapids]

dafuq

why is it 3k and then back to 2k

[cinder cargo]

what is this krakening

[mossy bridge]

what if there's a guy at lilith that decides if u get a portal or not every time you click it

[cinder cargo]

is this the vip 16+ channel now

[crude flax]

kraken 2: the krakening

[fair rapids]

I said if Lyca bad I'm doing waden then solise after
So order
Lyca baden wolise
Baden wolise Lyca
But looks as she is good so I'm doing her first

[proven hearth]

Jesus

[flat tapir]

I'm getting mortas to mythic after alyca 1s

[proven vault]

I was told it was vip12+ but seems it has gone worse

[flat tapir]

I forgot to get mortas to mythic

[cinder cargo]

alright do we need to have th dragon talk with you as well

[worthy rapids]

300/month after august

[crude flax]

300/day after august

[fair rapids]

That's a order not what I'ma whale smh

[flat tapir]

LOOL

[proven vault]

what are your wokes already ? abel saf atha, and last one is mae right ?

[flat tapir]

Whale? Ur a kraken

[cinder cargo]

all gen 2 wokes

[fair rapids]

I've spent 30$ on afk this month

[cinder cargo]

absolute kraken

[crude flax]

I hope mae falls off completely and y'all are fkd

[flat tapir]

Hopefully I can get lyca and some of baden

[worthy rapids]

you forgot a zero

[fair rapids]

[cinder cargo]

oh btw

[proven vault]

If you're not whaling I would rather wait for GB woke than build solise/waden ig

[proven vault]

[fair rapids]

Na I forgot a 6 at the end 36$ this month

[proven hearth]

Yes please!

[cinder cargo]

no more make own cheese comp for KT

[fair rapids]

[crude flax]

okay JD is now a whale

[worthy rapids]

gib arena tickets

[proven vault]

nooo please not you too hythlo

[crude flax]

anyone with mae is whale

[obtuse mauve]

Record enough clicks to show it would be nearly impossibly unlikely for the probability to be uniform, or something like that

[cinder cargo]

I'll leave that to the next F2P crammer that doesn't have mae to do for future players

[crude flax]

so me

[proven hearth]

I don’t like Mae and wutus. I wish they’d just go away

[cinder cargo]

you'd need to a ridiculous sample size

to do anything meaningful (e.g. p > 0.05)

[crude flax]

is that spice to 18?

[proven vault]

that's half of my wokes
Can I at least exchange them for something else ?

[flat tapir]

Was for 15

[proven hearth]

Of course!

[flat tapir]

It just looks nice

[cinder cargo]

I don't think anyone can be bothered to spend that much to test such an insignificant thing

[crude flax]

I spiced seal to 15 also. and then again to 18 when I had enough.

[cinder cargo]

I mean they could do a community database ig

[flat tapir]

I currently have 11 spices on battery pets

[proven vault]

I'll have a saf and a whalia then pls

[cinder cargo]

like what they did for SG and stuff

[proven hearth]

Says the person at floor 394?

[proven hearth]

[cinder cargo]

394 isn't high enough to prove that something is rigged

[proven hearth]

I have no idea what y’all are talking about. It just sounded good

[obtuse mauve]

A community effort, ofc. But it has been done before.

[cinder cargo]

[civic badger]

@crude flax hope not i'm building her

[mossy bridge]

It's really hard because of the "survivorship bias", like what JD said earlier. I was convinced the corners had to be better statistically, but it's just cuz I always do corners first

like you'd need people to test different paths, or to skip portals altogether and do entire floors

[cinder cargo]

Something else to note is lilith probably uses far more complex formulas to adjust their curve to be exactly right

[proven vault]

can they adjust my tot rates to be exactly one copy every one card ?

[cinder cargo]

So honestly all the community can do is find an average number

[proven vault]

asking for a friend

[cinder cargo]

[worthy rapids]

or become the employee and leak the code

[proven hearth]

What a lucky friend

[drowsy hatch]

Any starter team comps listed anywhere?

[cinder cargo]

Like the formula for Sg rate is literally base + a variable likability factor

[proven vault]

Yes, he's been very nice so he really deserves it

[cinder cargo]

Which increases every time someone pulls

It's nowhere as simple as base rate passed through binomial + a massive cutoff at the hard pity

[proven vault]

I've been pulling for 4years so my rates should be hella good right ?

[cinder cargo]

Source is datamined files

[civic badger]

nah

[cinder cargo]

[proven vault]

[civic badger]

rates never improve its just random

[worthy rapids]

no way

[cinder cargo]

How we could possibly model that idk

[fair rapids]

Not true

My rates improved

[civic badger]

mine never did

[cinder cargo]

And like how large of a sample size do we need

[proven vault]

the only that improved was the number of pulls you did during your draken phase

[cinder cargo]

And what other factors could lilith be putting in (E.g. First 10x guaranteed, beginners get insane woke scroll luck etc.)

[crude flax]

dragon how many TG right now

[cinder cargo]

So to save brain power we just call it woke in 500 and that's it

[fair rapids]

68

[worthy rapids]

beginners woke luck is fake af cause you do insane amount of normal pulls compared to what you get later

[cinder cargo]

Absolute kraken

[crude flax]

are there TG deals then?

[proven vault]

Make it 200 and we have a deal

[crude flax]

how are you gonna get her A 5*

[fair rapids]

Not ATM wish box fucked me over on TG lol

[cinder cargo]

Yet but awakened chance is like barely 1 in 1000

There's no way every single player is rocking up to questions with 2-3 wokes by ch20

[fair rapids]

I'll prob buy out yuexi tg

Jk

I'ma just wait and be patient

[crude flax]

buy ship deals

[proven vault]

stop trying to bring back draken

[cinder cargo]

How do you actually plan to get Alyca though

[crude flax]

JD you should be all aboard the alyca hype ship, not train

[worthy rapids]

i see 2 wrong things there

[cinder cargo]

Why ship

[crude flax]

because she'll have hero ship

[cinder cargo]

Is it because that's where the large sea organisms are

[flat tapir]

yeah the hero ship gna suck ass

[cinder cargo]

O

[flat tapir]

cus im gna have to spend on shit thats on that ship

[crude flax]

Or... you could not

[fair rapids]

You don't have too

[flat tapir]

which i think is like 2 deals

[cinder cargo]

Or you could not

[proven vault]

lmao 'have to'

[fair rapids]

You won't die the next day if you don't

[flat tapir]

https://tenor.com/view/bro-ayo-wtf-bruh-moment-gif-21632234

[crude flax]

I spent on ship deals one time and it was back before I quit and was tryhard AE

[cinder cargo]

Are you getting Alyca calci

[proven vault]

I mean we do'nt know, but won't be afk arena related if that happens

[fair rapids]

[crude flax]

I will have 475 TG so if that gets her to A, I have the SG's for 1* and the materials for 309e60

but I'm expecting garbage rates

[flat tapir]

i am also expecting garbage rates

my rates have been an anomaly so far in this game

[proven vault]

wait, can we have anything other than garbage rates ?

[flat tapir]

im eventually going to hit the average or will have insnaely bad luck

also i accidentally hit vip 16 last night

[cinder cargo]

O

[proven vault]

"accidentaly"

[cinder cargo]

That should be enough

[crude flax]

accidentally

[proven vault]

[flat tapir]

joking ROFL im only vip 14

LMAO

[crude flax]

prove

[proven vault]

Only

[cinder cargo]

Show 2 year old ss of VIP to see less whale

[flat tapir]

all of my money is going into pets from now on until reso 18

[obtuse mauve]

Never underestimate the collective ingenuity of a mob of angry cacha players

[flat tapir]

besides like good shit like wish boxes and like nobles obviously

[cinder cargo]

[crude flax]

did you cave and buy $100 wish box deal

[flat tapir]

nope

[crude flax]

good

[flat tapir]

im going to buy mortas and the 50 sg's for 30 bucks later today when melodic resets

[fair rapids]

[flat tapir]

i need to get my mortas to mythic hes at E+

[crude flax]

[fair rapids]

I'm working on my mortas M atm

[cinder cargo]

Wishbox 100$ is miserable deal right

[crude flax]

yes

[flat tapir]

ok, sure it is

[crude flax]

the $15 one is twice the value, or more

[flat tapir]

but its like 1000 diamonds/$ which is above average in this game

[proven vault]

wtf is that deal ? a mortas copy and 50sg for 30$ ?

[flat tapir]

its the special deals

[crude flax]

yeah the one where you can buy pieces of a hero

[flat tapir]

disgustingly good deal actually

[cinder cargo]

That's actually a decent deal

[flat tapir]

i buy the set, not the pieces lol.

i legitimately buy it eveyr single time its back up

[crude flax]

Yeah the full set is the way to go if you're gonna do it.

[proven vault]

yeah it feels like a good deal

[flat tapir]

thts how i built cruke and shit fast

[gilded salmon]

its so much worse than ar

[flat tapir]

everythng is worse than AR

[crude flax]

AR doesn't give melodic though

[cinder cargo]

OK but ARs are F2P

[gilded salmon]

[flat tapir]

wait what

[cinder cargo]

~Arkinz 2021

[flat tapir]

do u guys consider ar's f2p?

[proven vault]

there is so much more hero than it used too in those special deals

[flat tapir]

its just missing olgath

but im going to do mortas to Mythic and get twins copies and build olgath

[proven vault]

yeah spending money is f2p

[crude flax]

olgath can go die in a hole

[flat tapir]

thats my plan basically, twins to 1 star

[cinder cargo]

You were here before arkinz left right salsa?

[crude flax]

oh arkinz

[flat tapir]

fuck u

[proven vault]

[gilded salmon]

was that the dog pfp guy

[cinder cargo]

Uh who's the dog pfp guy

[gilded salmon]

the one who made the woke guide then quit

[cinder cargo]

Oh yes

[gilded salmon]

then yes lol

[cinder cargo]

Wasn't it a cat

[crude flax]

bring back whitesushii

[gilded salmon]

I don't think so

[flat tapir]

guys name a bigger kraken then draken in this discord

[gilded salmon]

you

[cinder cargo]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/609275505526439974/844781108901445632/image0.gif

[crude flax]

gottem

[flat tapir]

k

[cinder cargo]

This cat

[gilded salmon]

[proven vault]

good old times

[flat tapir]

guys im ready to get alyca they should just release her early

[crude flax]

wait you know whitesushii but you didn't know who hagle was

[flat tapir]

im going to stay up 24h cus i havent slept an i work in 2 hours

[gilded salmon]

damn I thought I was close to owl 18 then I realized idk how to count

[flat tapir]

so ill have to build her after i wake up when i get off of work

[cinder cargo]

Which guide did he make again, can't remember

I remeneve talene was in the middle, can't remember anything else

[proven vault]

rn I don't remember hagle but if you show me something he did I might remember

[cinder cargo]

Hagletrough

Anyways before arkinz inherited a kraken account, he considered himself f2p after buying all ARs

[flat tapir]

1 spot on my FL for whoever wants to borrow my 30360 alyca tonight

[gilded salmon]

no 9f do not want

[crude flax]

309 or bust

[flat tapir]

WTF

[fair rapids]

3536e100 or bust

[flat tapir]

i only have 5 furniture cards

[proven vault]

imagine being that big of whel and not being able to 9f straight away

[crude flax]

this is why you get top 5% NC

[gilded salmon]

I have 14 step it up

[fair rapids]

Right

[cinder cargo]

OK kraken

[flat tapir]

top 5%?

i was top 20%

[crude flax]

top 5% gets red furn card

[cinder cargo]

I have 16

[gilded salmon]

ok whale

[crude flax]

I had 20 but now I'm down to 8

[fair rapids]

Show all plates I want to see how you did

[cinder cargo]

What why

[flat tapir]

i dont have any plates for some reason lol

[proven vault]

you're getting top 20% CR ?

[flat tapir]

thast why i was confused

[cinder cargo]

Refresh

Like relaunch

[fair rapids]

Re. Load app

[flat tapir]

i did

[crude flax]

I built asaf/lib from scratch and finished daemia furn

[cinder cargo]

Sue lilith

[flat tapir]

let me do it again

[cinder cargo]

[flat tapir]

maybe ill contact support if this doesnt work

[cinder cargo]

Sounds very kraken sir

[crude flax]

sounds very "blow all your resources" sir

[cinder cargo]

I finally got my Ivan to be not M

[crude flax]

M+

[flat tapir]

why do i not have any plates rofl

[proven vault]

u've been a bad whel

[cinder cargo]

[flat tapir]

??

[fair rapids]

Sounds like someone did not get 20% CR

[cinder cargo]

Sheesh whales arena in here

[gilded salmon]

thats not no rank plates

[cinder cargo]

[gilded salmon]

you just didnt qualify for the others lol

[fair rapids]

20% is wild lol you deff did not get 20% CR xD

[flat tapir]

i should have a r35 plate at the very least

i meant NC not CR

[proven vault]

he didn't even get 50% if no CR plate

[fair rapids]

[gilded salmon]

he said 20% nc not cr

[civic badger]

cr's for whales

[flat tapir]

do u need a certain % to get a region35 ranked plate also? i was in top 100 on that leaderboard

[proven vault]

ooooh that's why

[fair rapids]

me and heart miss read

[gilded salmon]

reading comprehension smh

[proven vault]

I asked if he got 20% CR, and a bit after he said I did

[gilded salmon]

[flat tapir]

wait this shit hasnt went out yet right? its still calculating?

[cinder cargo]

Wait where's my NC plate

[fair rapids]

[proven vault]

but he was answering about restarting the game ig

[thorny tartan]

Here for the people uninvolved in nihi chat

[cinder cargo]

[fair rapids]

Na

[proven vault]

[flat tapir]

im talking about current round

[flat tapir]

okay so im right then, ill have a plate when its done calculating?

[proven vault]

big whel

[cinder cargo]

Hey look I'm rank 1 TS

[obtuse mauve]

Wut, that's a lot of fans. Congrats

[fair rapids]

these are current plates

[cinder willow]

;p

[cinder cargo]

Wait where is my NC plate???

[fair rapids]

[proven vault]

My formation were viewed by 3 players last week

[gilded salmon]

I don't have nc plate either

[cinder cargo]

Did they delete it

What is this

[obtuse mauve]

All nihi following every other nihi?

[flat tapir]

so is it actually a bug?

[fair rapids]

Not me ..

[cinder cargo]

I'll follow you

[fair rapids]

[cinder cargo]

People don't use warek heart anymore

[fair rapids]

It's my top 3 fav emotes

[proven vault]

I don't think so, you'd hit follow cap and wouldn't be able to see relevant formations for CR/NC anymore

[cinder cargo]

Just shows how toxic our community has become

[fair rapids]

My fav 3

[cinder cargo]

I blame @brisk urchin

[flat tapir]

I should have a r35 plate for this right

[cinder cargo]

Sorry only for top 31 players

[cinder cargo]

Oh nice

[still heron]

Get on my lvl

[cinder cargo]

We need more hearts

[candid jungle]

Asul all by himself

[proven vault]

I got 0

[still heron]

[proven vault]

Impressed right ?

[still heron]

Yeah

[cinder cargo]

What is good from celestial isles exchange

Just empty entire bag onto bait?

[obtuse mauve]

Do you have 5* call?

[cinder cargo]

Poe seems way higher value though

[gilded salmon]

yeah but poe is useless

[cinder cargo]

OK kraken

[flat tapir]

bro has 60b CMBR on 1083 rofl

[gilded salmon]

brother you have 16 red cards

[flat tapir]

hes spent more in the past 30 days then i have seen anyone spend in 1 month in any p2w game, ever.

[still heron]

How many mystic furn do u have, jd ?

[cinder cargo]

Let me check

[candid jungle]

he's pumping

[flat tapir]

dude he has a level 28 lion

what the fuck am i looking at bro

HIS SEAL IS LEVEL 31

IM GOING TO BE ON R46 WITH THIS GUY

[worthy rapids]

why bother, just count the ranks from t2

[flat tapir]

exactly

[still heron]

Whos that ?

[gilded salmon]

me

[candid jungle]

lemme ask him to spare you

[cinder cargo]

Wow nerds has more furn than me

[spice finch]

[still heron]

U dont need poe coins

[cinder cargo]

Can you ask him to stopping whaling poe

[cinder cargo]

Saving for Alyca. My furn list is pretty fat

[gilded salmon]

ok im gonna open all chests to take poe got it

[still heron]

Use 9 cards like me

[flat tapir]

im going to start placing way better in nc/cr in the upcoming month

[cinder cargo]

Honestly I need furn pretty badly

But then bait is bait

[flat tapir]

this was rly the first round i even copied formations

[cinder cargo]

Cannot say no to bait

[gilded salmon]

you cant say that when you have 16 cards

[still heron]

Are u reso 18 yet ?

[flat tapir]

who

[cinder cargo]

I will on Alyca if I decide to build her

[gilded salmon]

jd

[thin lodge]

do you still have that friendslot?

[flat tapir]

yes

u know what since ur the only person that didnt make fun of me for having 3f

[cinder cargo]

My furn list is actually like loaded

[flat tapir]

ill kraken poe soon and have her at 9f fast

[flat tapir]

make fun of me again

https://tenor.com/view/vei-veibae-veibae-dab-vei-dab-vtuber-gif-19198694

[cinder cargo]

When Alyca drops, literally 10/10 filled

[thin lodge]

can I add

[flat tapir]

yes

i need tons of furn, i used 1 card on zolrath to get him to 3f

u guys wouldnt take him above 3f right?

[cinder cargo]

No

Actually I did 9f

[flat tapir]

im at 6f for mulan with no mulan yet. when i get her 9f ill swipe her for 100 dollars

[cinder cargo]

But that's because charm used to time out

[flat tapir]

im going to end up swiping 100 for mulan and ldv i think

[still heron]

Mfker has both new cele/hypos

[cinder cargo]

Now we have seal and Bert the truck, no need zol 9f

[cinder cargo]

I had a little bit of SGs stashed up

[flat tapir]

@thin lodge are u smares

[still heron]

AwSolise dupes big brain

[cinder cargo]

Also meow had really good luck

[thin lodge]

yea

[gilded salmon]

I could easily drop naroko since no plans to actually build

[cinder cargo]

Start planning

He's pretty much meta every CR

[gilded salmon]

who else would I dupe

[cinder cargo]

Doesn't do +50b damage, but makes rounds way more consistent

[flat tapir]

naroko?

[cinder cargo]

Just stash poe

[gilded salmon]

no

[flat tapir]

god i need so much furn

[cinder cargo]

There's no way you have Bert 9f

[spice finch]

salsa is not a hoarder

[gilded salmon]

I do

[cinder cargo]

That's actually hacker

[flat tapir]

i have bert 9f also, i dont even know how i got it

[still heron]

[gilded salmon]

I just 8 carded him lol

[flat tapir]

i have bert 9f and my lucilla is fucking 0 furn dude

[brisk urchin]

This mf straight up used 9 cards on him

[cinder cargo]

What?

[flat tapir]

I HAVE PULLED LITERALLY 0 LUCILLA FURN

[cinder cargo]

[flat tapir]

in legit 100k+ poe

[gilded salmon]

bro we had 20 cards you want me to not do that?

[cinder cargo]

Yes

[brisk urchin]

The plan was to save to integer limit

[gilded salmon]

[brisk urchin]

[gilded salmon]

ok im making theowyn e80

[brisk urchin]

[cinder cargo]

Which int

[crude flax]

My WL 50% dupes at this point.

[cinder cargo]

32 bit or 64 bit

[brisk urchin]

All of them

[flat tapir]

im jealous

[cinder cargo]

Is it unsigned? Or 2's complement?

[cinder cargo]

I heard VIP can be estimated by 10 + number of dupe furn heroes on WL

[worthy rapids]

[flat tapir]

is it good to dupe abel that early?

arent u only on r44?

[worthy rapids]

i want her to be higher cbr than 5* dae merc

[thorny tartan]

@spice finch

[gilded salmon]

already cleared rift?

[cinder cargo]

Merc a lower power dae

[worthy rapids]

[thorny tartan]

If you meant me, yes

[gilded salmon]

oof

[thorny tartan]

Stupid cr and stupid lorsan

[cinder cargo]

[crude flax]

whale

[gilded salmon]

wow you have more than nerds does

[cinder cargo]

I also have a billion chests of stuff I can't decide on

[gilded salmon]

Yeah I just opened all of those on juice

[crude flax]

you're reso 18?

[fair rapids]

Light spender here everyone

[cinder cargo]

No, not even 15

[crude flax]

then bait

[fair rapids]

200$ for 2 heroes

[gilded salmon]

oh if theres bait then take bait 100%

[crude flax]

everything bait

[still heron]

Why

[gilded salmon]

juice

[cinder cargo]

Where's bait sir

[cinder cargo]

Juice is kinda useless

[gilded salmon]

?????

what level are your branches

[cinder cargo]

And gets progressively more useless

[astral hatch]

Juice

[fair rapids]

Cero!! Hey

[flat tapir]

Every light spender spends 100 dollars on dims.

[gilded salmon]

big tree is very good for cr

[astral hatch]

It only gets better with martial stats

[cinder cargo]

It's absolute scale past 117

[fair rapids]

Not true not even Alice or ggk or me did that

[crude flax]

JD why no max tree

[astral hatch]

Tree is king.

[gilded salmon]

oh you're capped

[astral hatch]

Yes, meaning there are no diminishing returns. Perfect to cap.

[cinder cargo]

Which means the higher level the tree, the less meaningful higher level is

[still heron]

[cinder cargo]

Wait how

[astral hatch]

The next level is always the same value.

[cinder cargo]

Well OK ig, but diminishing marginal percentage increase

So in 2030 when everyone has 400 branches

[astral hatch]

Marginal increase is a fallacy

[cinder cargo]

Having 425 branches won't do jack

[astral hatch]

It’s a competitive content, only relative increase matters

[restive goblet]

I think the stat increase per lvl caps at like 120 ish

every lvl after that is the maximum number of stats per point you could possibly get

[mossy bridge]

when does the focus swap from pets to tree?

[cinder cargo]

It's 117 exactly

[sour jay]

Reso 18

[astral hatch]

No difference between 125 vs 110 a year ago or 525 vs 510 two years from now. You gain the same advantage against your enemies.

[cinder cargo]

That's not true though

It would be true if caps and things didn't exist

[lofty silo]

The relative advantage isn’t the same

[cinder cargo]

Absolute amount that is

But realistically +510 haste vs +500 haste is a lot less than +10 haste vs 0 haste

[astral hatch]

The absolute difference is identical.

[civic badger]

can't wait to get lvl 110 elder tree

[astral hatch]

We’re not talking about haste. These are just raw stats.

[cinder cargo]

Not to mention damage softcaps in CR

[cinder cargo]

From skills

Cele skill to be specific

It just becomes big meh past some point

[astral hatch]

Cele caps haste eventually and then it’s raw stats.

[restive goblet]

Reference point:

For TS, units have like 800k - 1M attack. Every branch lvl above 117 adds like 3.5k attack to that.

[worthy rapids]

wtf is talene doing that high

[cinder cargo]

Not to mention lilith loves shifting goal posts when it comes to absolute universal stat buffs

[astral hatch]

Stall

[cinder cargo]

It was 240 normalized, then it became 360

[astral hatch]

No one has softcapped all rounds in a CR, ever

[cinder cargo]

Then it became all the new modes give you a truck load of free stats

[astral hatch]

At most we’ve capped one in every cycle

And once we’re capping one they raise the cap

[cinder cargo]

Wdym

I'm pretty sure Robo's max abaden setup should be doing more than like 20% of my damage

Same for seal

[astral hatch]

You’re guessing, but I know

[cinder cargo]

Same for like all the other rounds

[astral hatch]

From multiple rank 1s

[cinder cargo]

You're telling me there is no softcaps system in play at all in stats in CR

[restive goblet]

Don’t the bosses just get stronger when you do certain damage thresholds

[astral hatch]

No, not even close. How did you even arrive at that.

What I’m saying is no one has hit softcap on multiple boss fights

[cinder cargo]

There's also inherent you do more damage so enemies hit harder

[astral hatch]

Hell, we barely hit softcap on one round with the old limit

Current limit could only be hit in last boss with perfect rng on r6. Or bugged Ira.

By the time we solve for it for more than one fight, they raise it.

[cinder cargo]

Softcaps doesn't mean damage stops going up though, it just means they don't go up directly proportional to stat increase

Which is why there are hard caps

[astral hatch]

There’s a hard cap beyond the softcap though

[cinder cargo]

Which I think is what ira hit

[cinder cargo]

Oh?

[astral hatch]

Yep

[cinder cargo]

What's the hardcap for CR

[astral hatch]

Currently 24B

[cinder cargo]

Like each round

[obtuse mauve]

A hard cap must itch

[sour jay]

did someone hit 24b this last round? I saw some 22b

on r6

[cinder cargo]

That's the same cap I'm talking about sir

[astral hatch]

You’re missing the point

[cinder cargo]

Like for my r6 set up

I'm pretty sure that's less than 80% of a max r6 setup in terms of stats

[astral hatch]

Your argument is that tree doesn’t matter after a point. My point is Tree will matter until you softcap all CR rounds, which isn’t possible, therefore tree always matters

[cinder cargo]

Yet I'm doing 86% of their damage

I'm not saying tree doesn't do anything

It's just upgrading tree becomes progressively mrke useless the higher tree gets

[restive goblet]

probably at a certain point the boss enrages so much that it becomes impossible to reach the next enrage lvl with current comps. That would be a “soft cap” since a large variety of power lvl players would be stuck at the same plateau, although more powerful accounts would still do a bit more damage.

[cinder cargo]

The effect of each upgrade sucks more and more

[astral hatch]

And that’s just where we disagree. Tree always matters cause we’re chasing the biggest number. Tree is one of those systems that once you cap it goes into maintenance mode. It’s valuable to cap it since you can then ignore it forever.

[cinder cargo]

Oh my definition of softcap is just past that point damage stops increasingly linearly relative to stats

Aka you double atk, but that doesn't double damage

[astral hatch]

Yeah I don’t care about that. I care about what rank I get every week.

[cinder cargo]

And how is dumping all resources into tree as opposed to more dynamically changing options supposed to help that

I want rank too

[astral hatch]

In that box there were no cores or baits

So pick juice. That’s it really.

[restive goblet]

That also depends on enemy def. I think atk from tree grows faster than def from tree by a large margin. Hard to say what difference that makes since the damage formula is not linear

[cinder cargo]

But emptying chests into juice isn't my ideal way of pursuing that

[astral hatch]

It’s not the most important one, but I reckon it’s the third most important one.

[cinder cargo]

I'm thinking about dust

All the chests I've kept is juice vs dust

[astral hatch]

Should have capped your levels a year ago, what’s going on.

[cinder cargo]

Poverty is going on

[astral hatch]

No seriously, that was so easy to do before we had all these new systems

It just needed 2.5 years

[cinder cargo]

I stopped cramming

[astral hatch]

How much are you even getting from levels now anyway? Have you capped faction towers?

[cinder cargo]

I figured if I was going to hit max cap anyways, why spend diamonds to accelerate my way towards it

And then lilith added a bunch of TG sources and my rng became insane

So now back to nowhere close to cap lol

[cinder cargo]

I haven't done 4fs

Too much missing investment, would need to +50 levels on lowest clear with my investment

But it's not about faction towers for me

More about campaign

[astral hatch]

Rip. I stuck to my leveling and tree plan to max them, so I haven’t had to worry about these for a while.

Why campaign? The tower cards are worth more than chapter clear cards.

[restive goblet]

cam-pain

[astral hatch]

Easier to get too.

[cinder cargo]

Campaign doesn't give jack, but campaign progression is very rewarding imo

A huge part of the reason why I'm still playing

[restive goblet]

Do you run out of gold or is that overflowing too

[astral hatch]

I guess if it’s what you like, makes sense.

Gold is abundant.

[cinder cargo]

Gold gets relatively more and more scarce

So by the time were all level 60000 we might be gold capped

[restive goblet]

I have like 90 rc lvls worth of dust saved in my bag lol and I think I’m going to run out of gold

[astral hatch]

Once you cap, gold, dust, purple and gold sigs, juice, bait, shards are all meaningless. You have a massive surplus of all of them.

[cinder cargo]

Ye

[astral hatch]

XP too

[cinder cargo]

Half the reason why I'm in no rush to max tree tbh

[mossy bridge]

and here i am starved for shards

[cinder cargo]

I've seen what fully trunk capped looks and feels like

Juice is literally worthless

[astral hatch]

Yes, it’s amazing

[flat tapir]

[astral hatch]

Just like resonance 18

[cinder cargo]

So in effect I'm trading resources that could be useful for something that's worthless

[astral hatch]

You get to ignore it and focus something more impactful.

[cinder cargo]

But you still get juice though

[flat tapir]

thats why all of my $ is going towards pets

[cinder cargo]

Which sucks

[flat tapir]

so i can focus on my tree

[cinder cargo]

It's like bait after reso 18

Which is causing me to stop going for bait at reso 15

[astral hatch]

Wdym it’s amazing. There is only one true resource in this game: Time.

Once you cap a resource, you get to use your valuable time on improving a different system. That’s the game.

[cinder cargo]

Same as all the resources you mentioned above

[cinder cargo]

Is time really the issue though

[astral hatch]

Yes it is.

The only resource that matters is time.

It doesn’t matter if you cap your tree in 2 years, that means you gifted me tree advantage for 3 years. Thanks

[cinder cargo]

You mean like from cyclic events and stuff?

Oh

But there's things I'm lacking that gives more higher marginal returns than like tree though

So I figure it would make more sense to focus on those things first

Like eg for these chests

[astral hatch]

That should be cores, for sure

[cinder cargo]

I would pick cores too

[storm moth]

pippa survived

[cinder cargo]

If I didn't already 15k sitting in my bag

[astral hatch]

I don’t think juice should be first, or even second. But I do think it should be third in line.

[cinder cargo]

Similar story for reds

[astral hatch]

Reds are my third now, after cores and poe

[cinder cargo]

Now obviously it's not because I'm overflowing with cores

[mossy bridge]

soon to be fourth cuz of the new powercreep

[cinder cargo]

But for my budget range, many core investments are just not worth it

[solid monolith]

i just want to finish tree so i can mentally put it out of my head and not think about it anymore

[crude flax]

E80 everyone

[cinder cargo]

Or just ignore it

[solid monolith]

or just ignore jd

[cinder cargo]

Cores are good yes, but is doing like e80 abelinda really worth it?

[gilded salmon]

but shiny stars

[fair rapids]

Bc pippa the goat

[cinder cargo]

And if not, it leaves a bunch of excess cores

Which makes getting more cores not really logical

[storm moth]

yup yup

[solid monolith]

idk if e80 would ever be worth it for f2p, or even low/mid spender

[fair rapids]

Isn't tree never ending

[crude flax]

Ask your CR score

[storm moth]

trust me yup

[cinder cargo]

It won't ever be don't think

Simply never pays off

[lime zinc]

E80 costs 6k cores right

[cinder cargo]

Investment will fall out of meta before it comes close to paying off

[solid monolith]

i guess since they always release new heroes, but you should get more juice naturally to outlevel the rate of that once your tree is capped

[astral hatch]

Unless you’re spending money, I wouldn’t e80 anyone tbh

[sour jay]

e67 -> e80 is kinda a waste

[cinder cargo]

E.g if I e80ed Athane for TS at the time

[sour jay]

at 67/68 you already have the good nodes

[storm moth]

e80 everyone

[sour jay]

even whales who e80 are dumb ngl, unless they go past

[cinder cargo]

I'd have not a lot of extra stuff and be down 6000 cores

[cinder cargo]

OK but is e67 shiny

[flat tapir]

i plan to e80 someone i rly like eventually

[sour jay]

it's shiny in my heart

[flat tapir]

if they did a collab for a nice anime id e80 them

[cinder cargo]

More importantly you get a flat multiplicative bonus in TS

[sour jay]

what anime

[cinder cargo]

Which is cracked

[flat tapir]

slime tensei

[sour jay]

yeah e80 rem for haste, but then go past

[gilded salmon]

anime 🤮

[sour jay]

e81 more haste

[astral hatch]

I only started to e80 heroes after I got to a core surplus last year. Once I got to reso 18, I was able to build core surplus back up again.

[solid monolith]

think of everyone that e80 ainz or luc cause they were king and queen forever, where are they now

[astral hatch]

Now I can afford to e60 a couple new heroes in between e80 for awakened ezpz.

[cinder cargo]

Here

[solid monolith]

yes, im right here

[cinder cargo]

Big regret

[sour jay]

just e80 rowan cause he's been in the meta forever, must be worth it

[cinder cargo]

Tbf I did it back when campaign was filled with powerwalls

Now it's filled with powercaps

Making lucretia investment effectively useless

Not to mention lucretia isn't even in campaign anymore

[crude flax]

I used Luc in campaign in chapter 53 wdym

[cinder cargo]

Heck she's not even in hypo tower anymore

Literally dead dead hero

[astral hatch]

Lucretia was always a waste to hyper invest though. I never understood why people went so deep.

[crude flax]

I also use her in hypo tower in the 750s

[cinder cargo]

Push higher deficits

[astral hatch]

Yeah, and all you need for that is more levels.

Levels infinitely cheaper than hyper invest.

[cinder cargo]

Since past some point we were just capped by lucretia being too weak

Can't convert cores into levels

[astral hatch]

Even better. Invest in other heroes instead.

[cinder cargo]

Otherwise you'd see a lot of max rc e41 propel

Other heroes doesn't boost campaign progress

[astral hatch]

I mean, you’re going to be super disappointed with campaign in the late 50s

[cinder cargo]

Now campaign is just powercap land

[astral hatch]

Every chapter since 55 has been a joke and the power barely increases.

[cinder cargo]

No fun at all

Just wait until level or chasmic nerf

[astral hatch]

I’m just at 12x deficit but everything is dead within 5-10 retries, and I don’t even use Thoran.

[cinder cargo]

Then push a few more levels

Repeat

[crude flax]

has anyone completed 59 yet?

[cinder cargo]

I don't think so

[crude flax]

I saw people on 59-53 or smth

[cinder cargo]

Everyone stuck 59-53

[dusk tundra]

the god of afk arena

what do u get after beating 59

[solid monolith]

i dont remember timeline well really, but I dont think TS existed yet or was in baby form and luc could still reasonably do well. and cr was just for whales. it still wasnt worth it, but oh well. maybe they will give us another engrave reset

[astral hatch]

Depression

[crude flax]

I'm pcapped on 54-5

[cinder cargo]

Stuck is just the biggest kraken of them all is powercapped

[dusk tundra]

nice reward

[cinder cargo]

Honestly only thing more depressing than being late 50s is stuck at the Frontier of campaign

[astral hatch]

I don’t get it personally. Forcing yourself to powercap to me seems like “I like playing this mode so much that I don’t want to be able to play it anymore”

[cinder cargo]

Because as soon as you pull ahead a little bit because you hit the power req

[crude flax]

just get rid of single stages. Every fight multi, no power cap

[cinder cargo]

Chasmic nerfs power req by such a stupid amount that everyone is instantly back to tied with you

[astral hatch]

Yeah, there isn’t even a competitive aspect

[cinder cargo]

Very strong incentive to push trust

[astral hatch]

Because every new power feature drops minimum substantially

[crude flax]

gotta be that first person to complete a chapter yo

[cinder cargo]

I think absolute progression is fun in itself

[astral hatch]

I like it enough to clear one stage per day.

[cinder cargo]

You get like 2 hours of fame before the other 45 people catch up

[crude flax]

haha. but your name is forever on your server as first to complete

[cinder cargo]

A lot of whom have like 80% your max power

[cinder cargo]

They're all first on their servers too

[crude flax]

so what?

[cinder cargo]

It's not like people that far ahead actually have anyome within 2 chapters of them in their server anyways

[crude flax]

there's still someone in my server that keeps pushing past me

[cinder cargo]

Yeah but then you're not 59-53

[crude flax]

I beat 53, so then he went and pushed like a whole chapter to be mid 54

[cinder cargo]

[astral hatch]

These are the people bullying me to clear chapters and tower when I don’t wanna

[cinder cargo]

Campaign is more fun before endgame

[astral hatch]

When they get close I clear a milestone

Campaign was awesome through Ch 34 pre nerf pre chasmic

Then it went tits up

[cinder cargo]

Did you like the multi change?

[crude flax]

bring back the old multi campaign fights

[astral hatch]

Clearing all rounds at once I enjoyed

It prioritized high win rate

[cinder cargo]

Old multi was pretty anti fun though tbh

[astral hatch]

Which I happened to be good at. Still am.

[solid monolith]

i wish there was a campaign+ or something mode to bring back some of the fun of doing campaign. i guess towers are kind of like this though

[cinder cargo]

I think triples is the limit

Any more it's just depressing

[crude flax]

I actually played this game before multi change, before auto battle. now I just copy/auto/afk

[cinder cargo]

Ye

I like multi change

It's good QoL imo

But the fact that they didn't remove powercap is very annoying

[crude flax]

I still have to make changes to avoid things like mae, but those are the rounds that remind me that I used to like pushing campaign

[cinder cargo]

I don't get why they don't just pump out 5 chapters real quick

[crude flax]

when I have to come up with new clears

[cinder cargo]

And delete powercap

[sour jay]

trickle keeps whales coming back

[cinder cargo]

Like come on it doesn't take 4 weeks to come up with some stages

[sour jay]

unless they pump 5 chapters out at the same speed they currently do 1

[astral hatch]

What I don’t like is how the multi stage change completely broke PVE.

It went from “build good teams that can reliably win” to “make garbage teams that take 2k iterations to win once, not because they’re good, but because of dumb luck”.

[sour jay]

tho I'm in favour of just removing power cap

[solid monolith]

i made an alt a bit ago and early game campaign was way more fun than my main

[cinder cargo]

I mean for minmax pushers its the same

Just now it takes 200 attempts per round as opposed to 20000 attempts combined

People like arty and koyu were macroing for weeks

[astral hatch]

200 is miserable. That’s not a good game.

[cinder cargo]

Just to clear a single multi

[restive goblet]

Probably it was setting people’s’ phones on fire

[solid monolith]

it felt more like trouble shooting and solving a problem instead of hope for god rng, or just destroying multi in 1 minute cause the only challenge is in reaching singles cap on my account

[crude flax]

nah they definitely used bluestacks

[cinder cargo]

I mean at least mega rng meant there was something to do

Now campaign is just wait for the number to go away

I guess also lots of how random bs go you can get with your roster

[oak yarrow]

Gm scrumblers

[cinder cargo]

Which for my account is often like drop abelinda for random because she's not high power enough

Like stall a bit and seal wipe everyone

[crude flax]

seal is most OP hero

[cedar copper]

most teams got an innate synergy of sort
it's not really about being random

[cinder cargo]

Are you still cramming calci

Grinding random rng is a luxury reserved for people with enough power

[crude flax]

I don't buy the 8hr dust boxes for dia

[cinder cargo]

O

[crude flax]

but I buy any 40% off dust for dia and all gold dust and do fast rewards up until 200

[cedar copper]

whales overpower the content anyways

[cinder cargo]

What

Isn't 40% off dust trash value?

[crude flax]

idk, someone told me to buy those at some point. never questioned it.

[cinder cargo]

You get like half of the 8 hr thing for the same price

[crude flax]

[cinder cargo]

I think they trolled you

Yikes.....

Oh well

[fair rapids]

[cinder cargo]

Not that must dust lost

[fair rapids]

Poor lil fire demon

[cinder cargo]

Only a few hundred levels max

[dusk tundra]

Sup

[cinder cargo]

Only like 10 levels max

[fair rapids]

[mossy bridge]

[oak yarrow]

I have 40 e30s and 21 e60s

[crude flax]

I've only been back for like a month

[cinder cargo]

O

[crude flax]

so not too bad

[cinder cargo]

How's your account so up to date?

[oak yarrow]

Me?

[crude flax]

it was another Ami acc

I inherited

[oak yarrow]

Oh nvm

[cinder cargo]

Oh I see

Lucky to be out of top 1% TS struggle

[crude flax]

I would have to be draken to catch my other account up

[cinder cargo]

Such is low spender life now

[cinder cargo]

I remember you quitting

[mossy bridge]

i finished this TS season 0.04%

[oak yarrow]

I did have to pull a Draken to catch up

[crude flax]

dude I straight up dipped mid-AE

[cinder cargo]

But then seeing your CR score thought you just ditched the offi server for Ami server all these years

[crude flax]

Emerald was not happy

[cinder cargo]

Yikes

[crude flax]

I'm happier now without the AE expectation

[cinder cargo]

Did you give your account to be piloted at least?

[oak yarrow]

AE is shit

[crude flax]

yeah Germa piloted until AE was over, then let it die

[cinder cargo]

Oh

Why are they not happy then

[fair rapids]

Was your acc stacked?

[crude flax]

no lol

[cinder cargo]

Calci was good VIP 12

[crude flax]

it was VIP 12 I think. Early 12