treasure-scramble

[tranquil crane]

you're gonna be missing remilia

[rich tree]

It’s not April

[oak yarrow]

Might whale my current account

[tranquil crane]

horrifying

[oak yarrow]

I want daemia whalthalia and Ivan

[rich tree]

Phew gl

[restive goblet]

Is the dwarf useful in TS at all

[rich tree]

Ivan is HCP for me sadly

[sour jay]

kaia was using him in belinda comp

[tranquil crane]

i use him in abel comp and id love to see how it works for other people

[sour jay]

gabe was also trying anasta in belinda comp, I wonder how that went

[thin ermine]

Is mythic Aw ezizh any good?

[gilded salmon]

his si30 is a lot of cc

[sour jay]

+30 might cut some small time off NC, not worth doing IMO

[gaunt marten]

It was okay

[sour jay]

better than ezizh?

[oak yarrow]

HCP?

[sour jay]

I like the idea in burst cause belinda tends to melt to random shit without alna

[cinder willow]

im 1 copy off mythic AEzizh might just get that done soon then xd

[tranquil crane]

im taking him to m30 to see how much it matters for NC

[thin ermine]

Gotcha. Thx!

[gaunt marten]

I'm dead over kaia not even realizing that's a fucking leak

[thin ermine]

Awesome! Lemme know plzzzz!

[tranquil crane]

yeah ive never been shown leaks before in this game...

I just assumed it was some reddit list or such >_>

[raven lark]

how

[cinder willow]

when i was new i got L+ ezizh + 1 copy, then i built talene then swapped for solise. and now after event i have L+ +2copies

[oak yarrow]

Baelinda go BRRRRR

[gaunt marten]

Respectfully nothing competent has ever ever come from reddit if it looks legit its likely a guilds internal shit

[thin ermine]

I’d be very tempted lol

[raven lark]

are ppl building ezizh now bcs of nc?

[oak yarrow]

I almost have 12 seal

[cinder willow]

yeah they are for some reason

[gaunt marten]

Only decent shit on reddit is like, bob cero and bnb ae reports

[raven lark]

[cinder willow]

is m20 aezizh even useful

i wont m30 him either way so

[oak yarrow]

No

[tranquil crane]

👌

[gaunt marten]

Only ppl w the means to do so are building him

[sour jay]

My favourite is when ppl get a leak but it's months old and they post it anyway

[oak yarrow]

My account getting BEEFY recently

[cinder willow]

my box rn

1 copy shy

[oak yarrow]

Whel

[gaunt marten]

Or someone posts troll leak from cn group bc they know that ppl skim cn sites for leaks

[cinder willow]

no fucking way

[gaunt marten]

Russians do the same thing

[cinder willow]

i just won the cheese stage after 2 hours and my game crashed

[sour jay]

First time?

[gaunt marten]

Lmfao

[cinder willow]

2 hours deep

[thin ermine]

Lol exactly how it works with cheese stage

[cinder willow]

fuck this campaign bs

[sour jay]

Welcome to afk arena that's been going on for like 3+ years

[gilded salmon]

I mean at least you know it works

[raven lark]

r u still not on bluestacks

[cinder willow]

im on bluestack now

after my phone almost blew up

[thin ermine]

Cheese kills both ways

[raven lark]

😭 about time

[spice finch]

never had my game crash on ldplayer

[thin ermine]

I blew up my last phone running afk lol

[cinder willow]

it only crashed when i win

[gilded salmon]

[tranquil crane]

💀

[cinder willow]

this is why i hate campaign

whenever you get that drop of dopamine you get shot down

[thin ermine]

[spice finch]

it's just so you can get another drop of dopamine

[thin ermine]

[spice finch]

imagine, you can get infinite drops of dopamine farming the same stage over and over again

[raven lark]

i MIGHT hit rc 500 before i finish ch42

[cinder willow]

yeah im 8 stages off now so i can feel it

im trying my best not to lose my sanity

[gaunt marten]

Who gets dopamine from campaign

[cinder willow]

i get negative dopamine

[rich tree]

Time to go on a dopamine detox and reset

[gaunt marten]

Fr

[cinder willow]

time to delete campaign

[lime zinc]

My neurotransmitters are hella inhibited

[toxic prawn]

First time at the cutoff

[cinder willow]

[gilded salmon]

nice

[rich tree]

I was close but grats

[sour jay]

t20 is a big jump wow. t50 is barely anything increased

[rich tree]

My goal to stay t50 min

For that t4 chest

[sour jay]

my goal is to stay t100 lol, it will be a struggle

[rich tree]

Dw stomp those bad 🐳

[sour jay]

I do, but I'm mostly worried about t6/t7 spreading my worst box too thin

[trim ferry]

6/7 team is cancerous

[cinder willow]

its gonna be cursed

[trim ferry]

only 233

you got this

[sour jay]

my team 7 is gonna be lucretia 5p so... pain will be had

[rich tree]

Ah I try not to spread at 6 and 7

[oak yarrow]

SAME

[rich tree]

I shove random bs and pray

[sour jay]

yeah that's more or less just what I have left

[oak yarrow]

I got it at the cutoff too

[trim ferry]

reminds me

[oak yarrow]

Top90

[trim ferry]

i should do a multi.. it's been a few days

[sour jay]

rn lucretia is in mae stall but that's not really helping much

[rich tree]

A multi?

Oh make some teams?

[sour jay]

multifight = campaign ig

[spice finch]

t6/7 are bad

[cinder willow]

first cheese dead

[trim ferry]

no a multi stage

as in like -4,8,12,16,20 etc

[rich tree]

Oh lol don’t crash

[polar dune]

very jealous

[trim ferry]

[cinder willow]

[trim ferry]

you unquit flaw?

[polar dune]

Not rlly

[trim ferry]

[polar dune]

I am playing till my account find a new owner

[tranquil crane]

im pretty sure I auto'd through that level using the same teams i had on the previous

im such a campaign pro

[polar dune]

jealous u can play campaign dude

[cinder willow]

i wish i was that skilled

[tranquil crane]

are you gonna keep playing on any of your alts or moving on entirely?

[polar dune]

we'll have to see on that one

my alt is hitting res 18 soon so thats half the problem gone but will see

[tranquil crane]

have fun out there either way

[trim ferry]

best of luck

[polar dune]

only lord dreaf can guide me now

[tranquil crane]

🫡

[trim ferry]

you too op

[tranquil crane]

is there any way to check my own previous chapter clears

[rich tree]

Get someone to check for ya

[tranquil crane]

pls no

they're so bad T_T

[trim ferry]

literally only way

[rich tree]

I did that with dragon lol

[restive goblet]

What team do you guys put Fox on

[trim ferry]

make an alt, check your own clears as you progress

[rich tree]

Wait for r46 before u do that

I don’t want 2 Kaia in r45

[trim ferry]

i didn't check @tranquil crane did you maintain 1st in r45 this time?

for 5 day?

[rich tree]

Kaia surrounded by Koreans

[tranquil crane]

ppft no

[trim ferry]

i too am surrounded by a korean

@sterile zinc

[trim ferry]

[sterile zinc]

You made me into who I am

[tranquil crane]

[sour jay]

Scarlet and emi like it for tenacity, I also liked it on burst to really fuck with belinda

[trim ferry]

how do i win 3/5 fights and get 1 point

against zoker and badjuju... not fair they got more than me

[tranquil crane]

im pretty sure ive lost points for winning 3/5 before

[sour jay]

If two scarlet's with fox fight, does the match timeout?

[trim ferry]

100% have but annoying lol

i wish i knew how their point system worked properly...

[rich tree]

Coin flip

[tranquil crane]

i assume its some kind of Elo system, so you lose more points for losing to someone ranked below you and gain more or beating someone above you

naturally this means all point values are shit for you

[trim ferry]

long shot but is your aezizh res'd next week?

[trim ferry]

this isnt' fair....

nobody is above me

[tranquil crane]

truly your life is so hard

[polar dune]

its probably not but remind me when we get to it

[trim ferry]

but zoker has more white stars/tree/pets than me

[rich tree]

Then you aren’t winning enough

[trim ferry]

man is still dumb as bricks though so it's pretty safe

[sour jay]

Hmm thane or athalia for burst... Why not just both?

[trim ferry]

that's not the issue, why twins and haelus is the question

[sour jay]

He heard haelus was good with thane I bet

Twins... Fuck knows

[trim ferry]

i run awtha with whane until as late as possible

[gritty oxide]

you probably win and lose against people with much lower points. Game probably wanted you to win all 5 for that set 😂

But rng decided to fail

[trim ferry]

4 wins = 3 points

bullshit

[gritty oxide]

Maybe you average 6 points per win but that lost took 20 points off you 😂😂

[trim ferry]

[spice finch]

ts started

[gritty oxide]

How they assign opponent is unknown too

Sometimes you keep seeing the same guy

[spice finch]

you can only face people in your bracket that chose the same path as you

probably random otherwise

[proven hearth]

Indeed it did

[gritty oxide]

Yes, but not cool to meet someone you can't win again and again 😂

[lime zinc]

It's weird that you can rng face the same person multiple times even when not at high ranks

[trim ferry]

honestly i have no idea cause i'll see people from other routes early on.... i think it's cause I have nobody to fight in my path?

game is weird

[gritty oxide]

Like for example I met him at 1%.. When I climbed up to t100, matched up against him again

[trim ferry]

so many pointsssss

[tranquil crane]

its cuz there's a new bracket every 200 points and if you are the only person on your path in that bracket you get assigned random opponents, including those not on your path

[lime zinc]

Iirc, if you're top ranks you can face other paths...?

[tranquil crane]

so once others on your path reach that 200 point bracket you'll start fighting just them again

[trim ferry]

that's an assumption though or is it actually clearly stated now?

like there's been no definitive 'this is what it is'

[tranquil crane]

in theory if you stayed 200+ points ahead of everyone in your path at all times you would fight outside your path randomly all the time

[gritty oxide]

By right you can only meet other paths at the very last bracket

At least that's what I understand when I read it last time

That's why I placed all 3 accounts in different path for r43. Don't want to hit myself 😂

[tranquil crane]

potato figured it out cuz he's the smartest person on earth

#treasure-scramble message

then my observations since have matched, but if you find an inconsistency id be interested to hear!

[sour jay]

How do you have time to run 3 accs lol

[trim ferry]

still an assumption though

[gritty oxide]

6, I don't aside from dailies. Which is why I stopped pushing

[trim ferry]

but a valid theory since it's happened often lol

[proven hearth]

yes, its annoying af. why I fight ghibly early

[tranquil crane]

yup, prove it wrong for us!

[gritty oxide]

If I did push. They are definitely ch 39 min.

[trim ferry]

nah i've noticed it for a long time, just we have no definitive proof of anything

[spice finch]

the 200 bracket is proven cause you have a new emblem every 200 points

[gritty oxide]

Those in r43 are all under 1% while r44 t56 first week

[tranquil crane]

alright kraken chat, what are the highest priority furn dupes? Abel is #1 I'm guessing?

[sour jay]

If you join nihilum we have a guide for this

[trim ferry]

[tranquil crane]

[gritty oxide]

Is this a whale only guild? 😂

[spice finch]

ye, they have a furn dupe guide for krakens

[trim ferry]

he's not wrong but yes, abel is a high priority

[sour jay]

No there are casual branches too

[tranquil crane]

lemme go ask my bnb guy >_>

[trim ferry]

how far into furn are you?

[sour jay]

I just want kaia to join because all the cool people are in nihilum now except him

[trim ferry]

cause you probably got niche things to build first

[tranquil crane]

i love that you just called a bunch of folks in the channel losers

[gilded salmon]

[sour jay]

yes not in nihilum = loser confirmed

[spice finch]

rip salsa

[sour jay]

srry salsa you had your chance I tried to poach you

[tranquil crane]

yeah its probably too early but if any of the highest priority dupes happen to be on my LC teams thats a higher personal prio

[gilded salmon]

sorry im joining kbrs

[sour jay]

I'm trying to slowly turn co into r43+

[spice finch]

i knew you were vip16

[gilded salmon]

[sour jay]

ok why does my mae never resist talismane? I thought pets adhered to the insight/tenacity shit

[trim ferry]

your lc teams are basically all dupe heroes tbh

[sour jay]

but every time like 100% of the time she's ccd

[trim ferry]

most of them

[cinder willow]

What pet is better for thoran cheese? green or black ball

[trim ferry]

so just a matter of doing the ideal order

[gilded salmon]

I use seal for thoran lol

[cinder willow]

seal used

[sour jay]

seal for thoran without mae can be iffy, it can knock ppl behind thoran

[cinder willow]

i saw ggks clear but it isnt p2w enough

[tranquil crane]

is there any way to know what your upgrade options are before you actually have an upgrade? like i know abel can get haste on furn, is that true of everyone or does it vary by hero

[lime zinc]

How much TY does Mae have? I didn't think beasts got much IS (for themself) from their lvls

[sour jay]

every hero has different stats on their dupe furn and it usually doesn't match the base stat too which is frustrating

[tranquil crane]

so you just go in blind unless you have a guide?

[sour jay]

basically yeah, have to figure out what heros have the good stats

[gilded salmon]

bob is in the process of making a guide

[sour jay]

my e60 mae has 51 TY

some beasts have more IS like souffle and fox

[trim ferry]

every hero has "ideal" furn dupes or none

[sour jay]

lvl 9 talismane only has 21 IS, so I doubt lvl 12 has that much more. my mae should have a chance to resist

[trim ferry]

large, small or hanging etc. there is specific ones, if you use your brain a little you can tell which ones but it's easier to follow guides

most guilds like to keep that internal but there are public ones from people like bob that are a functional WIP

[dapper lance]

get to this UI

when you have a dupe available, a blue upgrade button appears on the right--DO NOT CLICK THAT OR YOU WILL LITERALLY DIE

Instead, click the individual furn and click strengthen at the bottom--you will be able to preview the secondary dupe stat

[tranquil crane]

ahhh, perfect, thank you

[sour jay]

brb clicking the blue upgrade button

[lime zinc]

I don't remember how much IS 18 Tali has but 12 Tali has 28
51 - 28 = 23 = E60 Mae should have a 46% chance to resist 12 Tali fear

[sour jay]

maybe my trials are biased cause I only am looking at the losses

[dapper lance]

@tranquil crane this is what you should see; the bottom-most information will have the appropriate stat

You can test this now with someone that doesnt have a dupe to be safe--you will see what the secondary stat is

[lime zinc]

46% is basically half the time resisting it

[dapper lance]

@tranquil crane lmk if you cant see it; i'll turn it back to english so i can walk you through lol

[spice finch]

[tranquil crane]

thanks a bunch

[spice finch]

wtf, both abel and maetria have 0% wr in 4 fights

[olive moat]

You can also click their furn in the portraits tab. It'll show you their +3 stats. You start off with ~37% of the first hero-specific stat on the +0, the +1 takes you to ~57% of the first stat and ~50% of the second stat

[tranquil crane]

okay so for abel you want to strengthen Large Furn first for the haste, cheers, think I see how it access it all

[dapper lance]

yeah generally haste is a priority, followed by mp/pp as appropriate--anything else is extraneous imo

[tranquil crane]

ngl ive never used the portraits tab in my life, i forgot it even existed

[trim ferry]

man went full JP

[sour jay]

abel 75% i'm blaming ivan for the increase even though it's early

[gritty oxide]

What's the requirements for their casual beaches? And do they have chests and rank well in ae?

[dapper lance]

はい

[olive moat]

It's easier to navigate portraits than the inn imo. The inn will show you the exact numerical increase you get for the dupe though if you're going to +1 or +2

[wise lion]

pet IS is linear btw, so lvl 9 talis has 75% the IS that lvl 12 does

[tranquil crane]

potato galaxybrain af as always

[spice finch]

wanna trade abels

[wise lion]

I'd reply to this but I'm literally dead

[dapper lance]

[sour jay]

no set requirements (other than ch 38+) just have a solid box and good performance in game modes, and also gonna stick around for a while. My guild gets fabled chest but not much else, #306 in AE. Not sure on the other casual guild. But we don't care about AE cause well, casual lol

[lime zinc]

Wait so much does 18 or 36 have as a % of 12

[olive moat]

My inn is a bit harder to navigate than the average person bc I never rearranged it, it's just in the order I got the heroes ascended in

[trim ferry]

wow i just noticed his "YOU WILL LITERALLY DIE"

[wise lion]

9 is 75% of 12
9 is 50% of 18
9 is 25% of 36

[trim ferry]

way to go choerry

[lime zinc]

Ahh thanks

[wise lion]

I confirmed it with Perp a while back

[trim ferry]

well arrange it......

[olive moat]

No I like it this way

[wise lion]

my inn is faction coded

[trim ferry]

so is mine

[wise lion]

with useless heroes up top and best at the bottom

[trim ferry]

wokes/simp units on bottom floors

useless way up top

[sour jay]

my inn is sorted by the order I ascended heros

[lime zinc]

So 36 is 84 IS

[tranquil crane]

does this scale all the way to 36 or are there diminishing returns past 18?

[lime zinc]

Mine's the same as this

[wise lion]

I believe it scales but I don't exactly have many friends with lvl 36 pets

[spice finch]

[tranquil crane]

[dapper lance]

私はもう死んでいる

[spice finch]

are you learning japanese

[sour jay]

choerry big weeb

[trim ferry]

indeed you are

[quasi torrent]

goodmornin ppl

[dapper lance]

im learning dn

[wise lion]

anyway this is the wip. comments welcome but it's meant to be ugly cuz I keep moving shit around all the time and maintaining the graphical shit was getting really annoying

[dapper lance]

wait

[tranquil crane]

can 私 be omae as well? is it just like, contextual which it is?

[dapper lance]

no lol its watashi

im literally already dead

[tranquil crane]

LMAO

[spice finch]

[tranquil crane]

💀

[sterile zinc]

I’ve been learning ym for awhile

[spice finch]

[gaunt marten]

[dapper lance]

learn dn w me smh

[sterile zinc]

[lime zinc]

Can you put a little key in the corner for which row hanging/large/small is

[quasi torrent]

i spent too much dimoonds im broke

[trim ferry]

this why i mentioned you instead of posting

[tranquil crane]

fantastic thank you

[trim ferry]

although you stop for f2p

[restive goblet]

I think the stats are linear to 36

[gritty oxide]

😂😂

[restive goblet]

2.93 * 6 IS = 17.6 IS + like 2.5 at lvl 0? I’m not sure what lvl 0 seal stats are

[wise lion]

there's a 4th section that I started on but decided not to include

[wise lion]

nah hero buffs are not linear

[quasi torrent]

WOAH THATS A LOT OF BUFFS

[wise lion]

pet personal IS is linear

lvl 4 Seal gives 10.64 IS to STR

[trim ferry]

that's fair. perfect for @ebon flare

cause he poor

[oak yarrow]

Would 20si dae work where I’m at currently

[trim ferry]

i feel like the t3 furn dupes are kind of overkill as well tbf though bob

dumb people are gonna look at it and go "oh it's on the list let me do it now"

[tranquil crane]

hmm okay so looking at my options I think for my LC aspirations I'm actually better off with asaf first for furn dupes

[wise lion]

?

[wise lion]

this is the 4th tier heroes and they're kinda depressing tbh

[trim ferry]

i wouldn't build for LC if i were you for that. build for cr they'll overlap more

[oak yarrow]

@dapper lance

[wise lion]

hardly worth including

[spice finch]

raku

[tranquil crane]

fair... but I'm still going asaf first then ill do cr 🙂

[trim ferry]

estril comes in handy for the haste req for that cr round

[restive goblet]

Oh ok they get a lot smaller after 18 then it seems

[trim ferry]

whales get clown moves approved but i wouldn't if I were you. doing things like bel/palmer come in more handy down the road

i do clown moves all the time

[lime zinc]

Like,
Large = Top row
Small = Mid row
Hanging = Bot row
Just because it's easy to forget

[wise lion]

is there an approximation for how much dmg that extra haste contributes?

[trim ferry]

i think lp and some others were talking about it in push a while back.. like 2 furn dupes + e3x or some shit

i didn't delve into it cause i ain't really there

[wise lion]

ik the haste breakpoint. idk the actual value gained

[tranquil crane]

LC is motivation, its an intangible but just as important 😤

[trim ferry]

no idea, i let people like you figure that shit out. My monkey brain don't wanna think that hard about this game

[trim ferry]

good motivation, bad choice to build for though. You'll build for it naturally building for CR/TS

but again like I said, whales get a lot of leniency for bad choices

[tranquil crane]

[wise lion]

nah, LC is tangible

as in, 0 rewards

[tranquil crane]

[wise lion]

y'all need to be more critical. I'm not happy with it but idk what to change

[trim ferry]

this is not the place for people to be critical for you and you know it

[tranquil crane]

negative, your word is the gospel and we receive the blessed truths humbly 🥴

[quasi torrent]

wass dis for

[trim ferry]

[lofty silo]

Frame!

[trim ferry]

only critical thing I can say there is palmer probably should be T1 since his dupes give so much extra dmg

[gaunt marten]

Lc is tangible for like 50 ppl total in the game

[wise lion]

general usage in modes that are rewarding

[gaunt marten]

And most are in the new regions

[wise lion]

palmer's best dupe is already in t1

[trim ferry]

you have it in T2 on your list

[wise lion]

his other dupes are good but not as impactful. yellow denotes a hero being split prio

[gaunt marten]

I don't want to dupe palmer

[wise lion]

look again

[quasi torrent]

ok

[trim ferry]

unless you sent an outdated one by mistake?

[wise lion]

I didn't make yellow names for fun

[trim ferry]

oh

[proven hearth]

@tranquil crane I don't like Abel for dupes. I don't think you can go wrong with picking awakeneds though. I tend to for for supports

[trim ferry]

need a key

[lime zinc]

I'd be critical if I had any idea of which furn dupes were good

[trim ferry]

@tranquil crane look bob made yellow as prios no asaf for you

[wise lion]

yellows are repeated names where 1 dupe clearly outshines another dupe so they shouldn't be built together

[quasi torrent]

is there a link to this spreadsheet thingy

[trim ferry]

also just realized you don't got whane on there?

surprising since whane is one of those units who gains big from furn no?

[lime zinc]

He's right at the top

[tranquil crane]

he's like second on the list bruh

[quasi torrent]

[tranquil crane]

any particular reason for considering abel low prio?

[sour jay]

Abel bad /s

[lime zinc]

Idk how much furn dupes affect CR or how to manage overheating, but duping AwBel without also investing in other stuff might lead to that more often

[trim ferry]

wow you right

i meant in yellow tho

[lime zinc]

Isn't he not yellow because he has multiple good dupes

[quasi torrent]

ayo someone got a link to this shit

[sour jay]

Scroll up

[wise lion]

there's gotta be a shorter way to say this

[quasi torrent]

thx

[trim ferry]

you know.. you right. i'm dumb

[trim ferry]

also maybe not yellow where it's barely legiable

[dapper lance]

sure

[lime zinc]

Yellow = Best dupes much better than the others dupes

[wise lion]

weird. it's very easy to read when it's just one name but hard to read as a sentence

[solemn sage]

one high tier dupe, one lower tier dupe

[lime zinc]

Idk, maybe just make the colour easier to read

[tranquil crane]

actually I think its negative rewards for me cuz I reset my tree for it which not only costs diamonds but lowers my scores in other modes

[wise lion]

ty

this color better?

[lime zinc]

But yeah @wise lion Idk if you saw my other msg but
Large = top
Small = mid
Hang = bot

[wise lion]

look at you making it tangible

[wise lion]

yeah I saw

[lime zinc]

[trim ferry]

feel like just saying

Yellow names = hero has high and low tier dupes

[thin ermine]

i wish there was a tier list like this looong before

[trim ferry]

or put it in red. the yellow on blue background is destroying

[wise lion]

you're no stranger to making guides. why didn't you?

I tried red orange and green. they were all awful. blue won't work cuz duh

[thin ermine]

my knowledge is too limited

[wise lion]

ok purple is kinda nice?

[lime zinc]

You could just like underline it or smth

[wise lion]

I'm making this in excel and I do not like underlining there

[lime zinc]

Ah

[wise lion]

purple does seem nice tho

[lime zinc]

Purple seems fine though yeah

[wise lion]

that's why I'm asking other ppl

[trim ferry]

much better

[wise lion]

if I knew everything I'd make a guide and post it instantly

[thin ermine]

ur definitely a much better expert than i am lol

[solemn sage]

it's a very difficult/subjective thing to make a guide on

[thin ermine]

i know nothing about duping

[trim ferry]

it is quite subjective but what you've got is pretty standardized

[solemn sage]

but like

[thin ermine]

or else i wouldnt have rosa and mehira duped lol and lucy

[solemn sage]

there's top tier dupe stats on mid tier heroes

[trim ferry]

once you get beyond that it becomes very subjective on priorities imo

[solemn sage]

so it's hard to order them properly

[lime zinc]

Idk if it's relevant to mention that some hero's dupes give more than others (e.g. AwBrutus +1 for haste dupe is 1.2 vs AwBel's 1 haste)

[solemn sage]

Really hard to say whether a mid tier dupe on a top tier hero is better than a top tier dupe on a mid tier hero

[quasi torrent]

colour every letter indivdually

[thin ermine]

lol

[wise lion]

why do u think I do? I have like 8 units with dupes, I only have 3 awks, and there's like 25 heroes on this list, at least 6 of which I have basically no experience with. I'm kinda throwing darts here

[lime zinc]

Yeah this is the hardest part, also hard to evaluate how much a dupe affects that specific hero

[wise lion]

that's why i did grouping. too much work to argue a single placement difference

[quasi torrent]

yeh well lets pray it doesnt hit anyones balls in the form of misinformation

[oak yarrow]

So I can use her?

[wise lion]

yes, but abrutus stonks are plummeting

[lime zinc]

Yeah grouping is a lot simpler and leaves the 'tiering' to the person

[thin ermine]

hopefully putting down a disclaimer would help lol

[lime zinc]

Just meant it as an example as one that I knew had more, idk if it's relevant to mention or if it just complicates it too much

[solemn sage]

I'm just +3ing every half decent stat on awakeneds and top tier heroes

[lime zinc]

Idk if any other relevant examples of diff + stats even exist either

[wise lion]

ik Cero has a full list of dupes and what stat they give. I can link that and tell them to have fun or eat rocks

[dapper lance]

people were using her m30, not sure effectiveness at 20, but its better than nothing i guess

[lime zinc]

Ig that works, also means you don't need to list it

[thin ermine]

[oak yarrow]

And she in dim?

[solemn sage]

I started putting together a list like 6 months ago then got tired of it

[wise lion]

any issues with mine?

[dapper lance]

yes in dim

[wise lion]

I could also show you the tier4 that I scrapped if that would be useful to you

[solemn sage]

oh mine wasn't a tier list, just every heroes dupes stats

[wise lion]

ik of at least 4 diff spreadsheets that had the full dupe lists

[lime zinc]

In my (old region) experience, using her at lower than 20930 is a much bigger loss outside of Blue TS
But because Blue gives her a lot of time she's a lot more usable at m20 or m30
Her immediate impact isn't that big in Red/Green at low invest

[oak yarrow]

If ion have saf is there a replacement?

[wise lion]

but I no longer rmb who was running each one

[solemn sage]

I was trying to put together all the actual stat numbers

at each level

[oak yarrow]

So wait

[solemn sage]

but i got lazy

[wise lion]

yeah that's been done

[dapper lance]

I'm not sure

[solemn sage]

it was partially done afaik

but missing a lot of niche heroes and newer ones

[tranquil crane]

huh this is an interesting result to me

[gilded salmon]

alna dae

[lime zinc]

So M20/M30 works fine-ish in Blue
Works less in Red/Green/Smog

And you'd have to test with your roster+region whether it's worth it

[oak yarrow]

Sounds like wait do yk of a saf replacement and should whalthalia go in dims or burst w thane

[tranquil crane]

nvm took a look at the replay and alna team running fox, so result is... expected

[thin ermine]

alna abel with fox works good?

better than lion or rock?

[tranquil crane]

it hard counters other abel comps

so how valuable that is depends on your exact meta

[thin ermine]

im in! thx!

[oak yarrow]

Depends on res

[lime zinc]

I've seen a couple ones without AwSaf but the comp itself functions kinda differently without her + Dae 9f e30

[thin ermine]

reso 12 rn so

[lime zinc]

It really depends on your overall invests

Also I g2g, meeting + presentation soon

[wise lion]

Fox and ASaf both truck ABel

[thin ermine]

good luck!

[wise lion]

single carries get blasted hard

[solemn sage]

I ended up being too lazy to find every level so just used a formula, but it's not accurate for every hero

[sour jay]

They rlly released a pet just to counter belinda just as she was falling in the meta anyway lmao

[oak yarrow]

Js wip builds rn jus asking questions my fault

[spice finch]

gl s1x

[oak yarrow]

Deadass?

[lime zinc]

Tl;dr is that there isn't a super short answer

[solemn sage]

the +1/+2 can differ a lot from what they should be with simple formula

[wise lion]

yeah there's a lotta rounding bullshit

[solemn sage]

but yeah that's the other big wrinkle with tier list

not all dupes are created equal

[wise lion]

honestly once u know the +3 stat from portraits, just assume 50/30/20 and pretend rounding isn't a thing for your own sanity

[tranquil crane]

[solemn sage]

some heroes get 7.8 TY, some only get 6.4

and it seems entirely arbitrary

[trim ferry]

that looks so nice though

[solemn sage]

it looks nice but 2 rows per hero made it unsortable

[trim ferry]

i love people who do visuals as well, it's very nice

[solemn sage]

oops wrong reply

1 row per hero is uglier but can be sorted/filtered

[gaunt marten]

lmao

[quasi torrent]

fight of fates is out. accursed event

[wise lion]

does it depend on the whether it's the top or bottom stat? from what I can tell the top stat tends to be larger

like Ivan small gives 3.2% atk 7.4% def
but Ivan hang gives 13% def 1.8% atk

[solemn sage]

I was working from base stat, settled on first stat being 1x, 19/12x, 25/12x, 8/3x and second stat being 1x, 5/3x, 2x

first stat bigger than second, but still variable whether first or 2nd stat

[sterile zinc]

@spice finch I got you

[spice finch]

thanks

[solemn sage]

nev second stat tenacity is 6.4, baden is 7.0, belinda is 7.8

tamrus first stat tenacity is 9.1

[wise lion]

huh. abel straight up pcreeps nev in that regard, also gets more atk on that same furn

[spice finch]

can rowan take his own pot?

[wise lion]

no

[solemn sage]

regular belinda also has a TY second stat on large furn, also 7.8

[tranquil crane]

he can't take his potion, but going off his sense of style id wager he's taken his own pot more than a few times

[wise lion]

I've also noticed a lot of newer heroes have a 120% normal atk while older heroes have 100%

[spice finch]

[wise lion]

and pretty much all new sigs have hp atk def where older sigs like kelthur and grez don't

[solemn sage]

that's the weird thing, it's not actually a new hero vs old hero thing as far as I can tell

just completely random

[tranquil crane]

yeah id been doing si21 instead of 20 on various heroes just for the stats and started to notice that >_>

(im not recommending that practice lol)

[solemn sage]

abaden has 3.5% atk on small furn but 3.2% on hanging

shem has 3.5% on hanging

lyca has 2.9% on small and hanging

[quasi torrent]

skill issue

[cedar copper]

if he could he wouldn't be dying all the time

[solemn sage]

no, it's pretty obvious when you use him in lab

everyone else full health after a few fights, rowan at 1%

[rich tree]

Left is old, right is new testing out scarlet with no Mae and alna + poor waden

[spice finch]

i mistook the shield icon with the pot icon, had to rewatch the replay a few times

[wise lion]

ah rip, nvm then

[toxic prawn]

Yen would boost that Baden a lot if you have her

[cedar copper]

in what way

[rich tree]

no space for furn, so shes on hold for me sadly

[toxic prawn]

That’s ok she really only shines in fire now anyways

[rich tree]

phew good maybe next fire season

any other suggestions to right team?

[solemn sage]

oops I did burst without zol

[toxic prawn]

Yeah swap the front or backline of the Abel team, keep Rowan away from Palmer

Besides that you could do a rem alna team but idk if you want to drastically change stuff

[rich tree]

so far my dim team has been 50%+ so i wanted to see if I can move alna elsewhere to boost overall win

[sour jay]

Downside of Belinda Ivan is it loses to Belinda ezizh

[sour jay]

But it beats some fox teams?

[solemn sage]

tried doing burst instead of abel because abel needs rock lizard

and rem team drops 30% winrate without rock lizard

but forgot to move zol out of hypos

[tranquil crane]

State of R45 update, nearly 100 point gap between rank 2 and 3

Stupidly top heavy region >_>

[tranquil crane]

out of curiosity have you ever tried yen mid in saf comp? instead of joa

[solemn sage]

I've been sticking with joan because I just copy top ranks

joan does lose to ezio in the mirror though

[tranquil crane]

can you friend fight someone to test yen vs joan?

probably hard to get anything resembling decent conditions but

[toxic prawn]

Fire is a big change so it wouldn’t be very accurate

[tranquil crane]

id be curious anyways cuz this debuff should favor yen right?

or not so much

[solemn sage]

yeah friend fight wouldn't mean much without the TS debuff

I can try it next round, idc about rank until last day

[tranquil crane]

sweet thanks, feel free to ping me how it do

its something id test myself but no yen

[solemn sage]

my yen's not e60

[tranquil crane]

also that comp kinda annhilates anyone in my region regardless of who i use so... lol

[toxic prawn]

Maybe but that team has a lot of damage already and that’s yen’s main role in fire

[tranquil crane]

that'll make a more interesting test then if yen outperforms

[solemn sage]

well not really much to outperform

I win every fight except mirror match

[restive goblet]

I’m using yen and ezio right now because no asaf but I’m trying Joan instead of yen next round

[quasi torrent]

tem 5 carried by seal

[tranquil crane]

sure but the way i think of it that comp lives and dies on its ability to win quick, because once those cheat deaths are used you're gonna have problems quick

i know this debuff makes it a bit different but you can see what i mean in LC matches where people tried asol instead of aath, for example

[solemn sage]

seal stall is great

free team without using any good heroes

[rich tree]

lol what if i did a alna+vei with gb backline instead of waden

[solemn sage]

alna vei with seal is very good but not really worth taking alna away from other teams

[rich tree]

nah this is the alna+broke waden

[tranquil crane]

does this count as seal stall

[rich tree]

#treasure-scramble message except i got seal on mae so maybe swap that to fox?

[tranquil crane]

dang, how long you think before you can feed your abaden?

right now seems almost a shame to even use alna on him >_>

[rich tree]

i dont have shards anyway so not gonna rush SG for star

[tranquil crane]

[rich tree]

yeah imma just try the si30 vei with alna

[solemn sage]

that's two good teams giving one good winrate

[rich tree]

otherwise ill move it to rem+alna in T6 or 7 and see how it goes

[solemn sage]

not worth imo

[toxic prawn]

I think so, most people only think stall teams consist of thoran flora theowin etc, but there’s alot of meta teams that naturally stall through their survivability, dim teams alna teams and so on

[restive goblet]

more like whale stall

[solemn sage]

there's multiple teams that win via stalling

[dapper lance]

🤝

[tranquil crane]

yeah definitely not, ill bother properly splitting some day down the line T_T

[solemn sage]

but thoran flora is the OG

so usually is what people mean when they say stall

[restive goblet]

This had the exact same winrate as Belinda

[dapper lance]

why not palmer with belinda

[toxic prawn]

Oh thank god

[tranquil crane]

🎉

[rich tree]

you took mine

[restive goblet]

idk I copied some guy on the leaderboard lol
He was probably using Palmer with Solise though. Maybe I should switch back

it would be nice to have Palmer open for thane later I guess

[toxic prawn]

I’ve spent so many resources try to get copies and that the first outside of hcp

[rich tree]

maybe i should just wait for when I can use swap scroll lol

HCP for him gonna take like 2 months

[solemn sage]

I need to find an abel or solise team that does alright without rock lizard

[restive goblet]

does alna Rem asaf really need rock lizard

[solemn sage]

it's 90%+ with lizard, 60% with winged

beating krakens with it is only way I stay top 20

[toxic prawn]

No but it’s by far the best pet

[solemn sage]

I was rank 10-15 with rock lizard on that team

with winged I dropped to 20-25

[toxic prawn]

Rcl 12 was better than lion 18

[rich tree]

but abel has priority over rcl than alna rem?

[dapper lance]

50 fights

[solemn sage]

I'm gonna try abel with winged but my gut says it's not gonna do great

abel just gonna get dived

[thin ermine]

i swapped to rock cause lion wasnt good at all

[rich tree]

man i love early round 2, get to try more things

[toxic prawn]

Yeah I would still put rock on Abel, otherwise it will just get crushed

[restive goblet]

I’m doing athalia with winged and Emilia + Merlin and it’s pretty sweet how winged lion ults right away because Emilia and Merlin ults at the start both give it a ton of energy. And they stack athalia’s blades too

[tranquil crane]

i know rcl is the best pet on that team by a huge margin but id be curious what happens if you use fox

the win rate will drop but if it helps abel more it could still make sense?

my results obviously wont work for you cuz im in a babby region but im getting 94% on saf comp with fox

[toxic prawn]

I need to whale so I can easily participate in this new vanguard thingy

[rich tree]

[toxic prawn]

Rn can only get top 20 first round

[rich tree]

kaia will give us the run down

[toxic prawn]

He’ll probably get humbled

[tranquil crane]

Impossible, I'm already the most humble person alive.

[solemn sage]

as someone who's borderline top 20 it's pretty different from being in top 5

[toxic prawn]

Yup same

[solemn sage]

it's better to sacrifice the winrate of my bad teams

if it means making good teams strong enough to take wins off the krakens

every win vs a kraken is big rank jump

[rich tree]

yeah I feel that in round 1

[tranquil crane]

[toxic prawn]

I still have yet to beat my #1 afaik

[tranquil crane]

It will be really funny if it turns out it's cross regional and I get matched with people like Ghibly

[solemn sage]

My region rank 1 is way ahead of everyone else so I'm never in same bracket

[toxic prawn]

It will be… top 20 in each region all fight in 1 pool

[solemn sage]

but rank 2-10 all pretty even

well

rank 2-4 a bit ahead of the rest

[tranquil crane]

haha well expect everyone in r44 and 45 to fill out the bottom ranks

[solemn sage]

but not by much

[rich tree]

so the rank 20's in each pool is fucked lol

in the later regions

[dapper lance]

I hope there's a participation frame/plate

[tranquil crane]

if its a truly global event then later regions are all fucked

[toxic prawn]

You might do ok, probably like 60-50%

[solemn sage]

any region too new to have witchers is screwed

[toxic prawn]

At least I think that’s where your account is at atm

[rich tree]

well since theres 45 regions and 20 each hope they do some crazy ladder system split it

[tranquil crane]

no way, the trees of anyone from old regions will mean our very best cant even scratch their worst

[rich tree]

u mean remilia since witcher is garrisonable

[solemn sage]

oh did they finally add them to garrison?

[rich tree]

yep

[dapper lance]

Is it confirmed to be LCT but populated by TS ranks

[toxic prawn]

Yeah true, tree is your main downfall but team wise you are on point

[rich tree]

just new people might not have enough time to invest

[tranquil crane]

LC or LCT?

[rich tree]

T-LC

[solemn sage]

Most of us aren't top 20 so it doesn't matter

[dapper lance]

Whatever is the right abbreviation

[rich tree]

TLC

[solemn sage]

I've snuck into top 20 a few times on day 5 but day 10 is tougher

[dapper lance]

Is it TS but with less people

[tranquil crane]

[rich tree]

or TVC? treasure vanguard championships?

[solemn sage]

best thing we can hope for is it's broken as hell and we all get compensation

[dapper lance]

[rich tree]

[wise lion]

Treasure Schampionship

[solemn sage]

drop the h

[rich tree]

Treasure Skinship

[wise lion]

Treasure Schampionsip

Lol u right tho

[solemn sage]

[quasi torrent]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1097799161669242931.gif

[tranquil crane]

👌

[rich tree]

wait do we want to drop all the h?

Treasure Scampionsip/scampionship

[obtuse mauve]

I'm dropping lower in TS, need more awks

Can I get 11 copies in 300-ish tgs?

[rich tree]

if u got ggk luck

11 copies took me 448 or something yesterday

[sterile zinc]

pls

[dapper lance]

yes

[proven hearth]

God comp

[dapper lance]

[sterile zinc]

how is there still no info on it

[obtuse mauve]

I guess TS season still ongoing in test server

[proven hearth]

@gaunt marten see, it happens

[obtuse mauve]

I wish all TS-coms get amazing plates, frames, medals and badges....and zero useful extra rewards

[flat tapir]

what do u get for top 100 in TS rewards wise

[proven hearth]

And again

[proven hearth]

I can’t check. Sorry

[flat tapir]

👍

[gaunt marten]

cant polish a turd

[oak yarrow]

Holding t100

Teams doin ok

[rich tree]

t50 for that T4 chest is my fav

[dapper lance]

@lapis moth i see u

[lapis moth]

haste probably the best stat in the game

[flat tapir]

that really is nice

[rich tree]

turd still solid piece of shit in R45 so safe for now

[flat tapir]

hopefully i can get top 50 at some point soon(ish)

[dapper lance]

[gaunt marten]

[proven hearth]

[lapis moth]

[dapper lance]

[rich tree]

https://tenor.com/view/izctrl-popcorn-gif-21698700

[misty epoch]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/974081672972763186/1114915684955209788/trezbedparty.gif

[cedar copper]

why's this a gif

[rich tree]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/974081672972763186/1125918918381420624/trez_vroom.gif

[cedar copper]

now that's a good gif

[gaunt marten]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/974081672972763186/1093269491829461032/trezbedparty.gif

[gaunt marten]

bc i wanted it to be one

[rich tree]

https://tenor.com/view/afk-arena-warek-coffin-dance-gif-19830303

[rich tree]

when's the next one

[misty epoch]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/974081672972763186/1125919965153873930/fixedgaben.gif

[gaunt marten]

whenever someone becomes possessed by the trez pics

rai and jin made trezbedparty, zappy made a ton of trez gifs now crofty is making them

its infectious

[rich tree]

trez woke when

[gaunt marten]

stop saying that the universe will listen

[rich tree]

Lilith wondering why so many trez gifs

[gaunt marten]

pcapped in tower i will off myself

trezsweat is top emote now

[rich tree]

[solemn sage]

[proven vault]

I’m not even mad

[tranquil crane]

[lime zinc]

Yo that's a better rank than I got for Red
and the reverse of my smog 1.98%

[oak yarrow]

I finally got t100 for that

[gaunt marten]

doing rift on multiple acc makes me crave death

[sterile zinc]

doing it on CK’s account too?

[proven vault]

That's the best I ever got for calc so I'm actually happy, but seeing how close I was from 2%

[gaunt marten]

yes

[proven vault]

How hard are you pushing rift ? I got to floor 61 and got bored

[gaunt marten]

on 85 or so on ck rn

[lime zinc]

Moving up
That's better than all but 1 of my ranks too

[gaunt marten]

i need the mats to push shit for ts

think i can get t30 on r44

[proven vault]

yeah besides getting stuff from the rift shop earlier there is no point in rushing rift right ?

[gaunt marten]

rift on devilboy is nothing, i just auto

not really unless youre trying for frame

[lime zinc]

No need to but yeah clear rewards + shop earlier

[proven vault]

Oh yeah there's a frame, what are the requirement already ?

[gaunt marten]

running the most bizarre athane gb team in rift rn

[lime zinc]

As long as you keep claiming the ess you aren't forced to do each week

[proven vault]

I know I'll never get it

[gaunt marten]

frame looks fucking hard

[lime zinc]

I think you'll need to push far for frame, not just early

[proven vault]

top2000 for the first frame

[gaunt marten]

far and early :treznap:

[lime zinc]

I'd try to push for 400 if it let you permanently unlock trift sweep for later seasons

Seeing a bunch of comps Ivan's being tested in at top ranks now
Nothing out of expected but it's cool to see them being tested

[gaunt marten]

yeah im glad hes ts viable at least

[lime zinc]

For new regions he's probably pretty usable at M30 but I'll try for 30333 before I try mine

[sterile zinc]

Abel, Abaden, stall?

[lime zinc]

And e41 if he ends up being really good ig

[lime zinc]

Not really seeing any AwBaden outside of AwBaden stall, but he def seems usable there
Other one was with Alna Rem Dae AwSaf

[gaunt marten]

feels like a waste for stall im sure another comp will grab him

[sterile zinc]

Yeah I think I’m gonna try using him with alna rem next round

[lime zinc]

Variety of use means he'll be usable for a lot of rosters with different AWs available

Ivan buffing Rem def seems like the easiest way to make use of him

As a steroid buffer with energy support he can probably work on most comps

[proven vault]

I got two Ivan copies in 9k dias through hcp

He's now at M+

[proven vault]

[lime zinc]

Big Owl

[oak yarrow]

Whale shit

[gaunt marten]

good job

[storm moth]

[gaunt marten]

ivan m+ on ck now

need 3 more copies

[storm moth]

mine still at 1 copy

[gaunt marten]

[gaunt marten]

nice

[quasi torrent]

celowz wasnt joking 💀

[old fog]

how expensive is eorin dive? like what’s in it

[novel trellis]

Hey, these are my 4 teams. Could someone advice me how should 5 teams look?
If you also know 6 or even 7 teams I'd gladly take them :>

[gritty oxide]

What %? Athalia is carrying 😂

[quasi torrent]

lmaooo

ayo end of july. would it be better if i made lucretia team 5p instead of all hypo

[gritty oxide]

I did that when athalia was released. Forgot to set team and athalia was with a bunch of random. End up 80+wr

[quasi torrent]

she aint even e60 yet

[gritty oxide]

Wr is about the same tbh

[quasi torrent]

oh fr. fer the first time ever im doing 2%

my worst WR is 44% with scar-cycle. none i can do bout that tho

the rest is 50% or above

[gritty oxide]

Which region?

[quasi torrent]

44

[gritty oxide]

Yea scarlet isn't working much anymore even at e60

[quasi torrent]

im trying everything to avoid putting gb team in this shit. there the worst team by faaaar

[old fog]

gb sucks mine is only 25%

gonna split them i think

[quasi torrent]

shes never rly done much for me in red tbh. does better in others. i got 60-70%WR couple times. or maybe its cuz im up against stronger ppl? now that my ranks higher

well whatever atleast all lightbearer team satisfying to look at

[gritty oxide]

I don't really pay attention to debuff though. But the last debuff just sucks tbh. All accounts dropped a tier

[quasi torrent]

my scar did better laast debuff bro my shit is up against straight up whales

[old fog]

endofjuly how do you feel now that we are close to end of july

[gaunt marten]

not me, smog was great for me

[gritty oxide]

I used roughly the same team for all debuff. Still managed 1 to 3%

[gaunt marten]

you have to switch shit around for smog

[old fog]

gabe are you willing to help me with TS teams i’m kinda lost. only at 3% rn

[gritty oxide]

Last debuff is great for spender. It just feels this way to me

[quasi torrent]

i need the damned fodder for eorin. man this sux

[gaunt marten]

i mean, all the spenders were busy with ae

was a great time to push ranks

got a little higher than i normally am that way

[quasi torrent]

im 90points away from t100 as 2%. who knew 1% was such a small gap

[gaunt marten]

i think reaper, zod couple others ended up higher than usual

[gritty oxide]

Maybe I'll disappear after that

[quasi torrent]

my wthalia is HARD carrying

[quasi torrent]

no pls no i still need advice

[old fog]

i’m 200 points away damnit

[quasi torrent]

not like we were ever gonna touch it. atleast not now

[old fog]

i belive we can soon

[quasi torrent]

is rock useful at lvl 6

[novel trellis]

Anyone? ^ ^

[gritty oxide]

Pretty sure the whales here can advice better

[quasi torrent]

i need a fellow f2p

[lime zinc]

RCL isn't good for TS until 9, specific niche usage for CR at 6 maybe

[quasi torrent]

my thalia doing 88% but my dims at 52% WR. sux, hope yen changes that soon

[old fog]

when you gonna get yenn? i’ll do it at same time

[quasi torrent]

when i get 2 more furn on her

[old fog]

i still need 3 damnitt

[quasi torrent]

i might acc get a title this time

[old fog]

you defo will lmao

[quasi torrent]

prolly woulda been t100 in r45 ngl

[old fog]

if urs is higher than mine i’m gonna throw a tantrum tho. send me ur teams in dms for educational purposes

[old fog]

easily ace was 1% last time and he’s dookie at the game

[quasi torrent]

btw theres a save feature in TR. i saved a rewinf from floor 9. so i can rewind to floor 9 whenever i want too and no matter how far you push u can start at 9

[old fog]

how do i save wtf

[quasi torrent]

check afk reddit if u got it

[old fog]

okie

what am i looking for

[gaunt marten]

what is whale about alna abaden gb thats 2022 shit

literally f2p have him at this point

[gaunt marten]

let me take a look

[quasi torrent]

well yuh. been a while since he been released

[old fog]

found it

[gaunt marten]

send your box sorted by faction

[quasi torrent]

sux tho wish i found out about the save feature when i was lvl 1. also fight of fates rewards are ass

[old fog]

i can save floor 82 dw

[gaunt marten]

my point being you dont need to be a whale to run any of that, literally reaper has dae at higher invest than mine and hes f2p

[old fog]

sg

[quasi torrent]

10 sg aint shit

[old fog]

still sg

[quasi torrent]

why not tg 🤨

[old fog]

important for us we got lots to get

i wish it was tg

i want my mae/wathalia already

[quasi torrent]

if damned pcap didnt exist id prolly be rolling in em from cele and hypo

[oak yarrow]

Same

[quasi torrent]

going thalia risky ngl maybe mae/waden

[oak yarrow]

Need whalthalia alrdy

[old fog]

the TS rank tho

[quasi torrent]

🤡

[old fog]

lmao

how cheap is mae team

[oak yarrow]

As well as cr and ts

[oak yarrow]

Not at all

[old fog]

do i need a load of hypos

cuz even at e i’m gonna struggle

[quasi torrent]

for bb region if u went mae first for some reason u can prolly throw in a lot of random hypos

[old fog]

because all i have is ezizh, aezizh and mehira

[quasi torrent]

i wanna try legendary wrrlinda in TS lmao

[old fog]

no can do :(

[old fog]

do it pleeease

[gaunt marten]

you can use mae in burst or gb hypos

[oak yarrow]

Yes but higher investment better

[quasi torrent]

no. ill have to spend my TG to get that copy

[cedar copper]

i should read more
only after trying relief force out that I realized they're treated as your own heroes

[oak yarrow]

Or this

[gaunt marten]

yeah but they cant be used in some modes

[old fog]

oh shi that’s so good

[gaunt marten]

like rift

[old fog]

gb team sux for me rn

in ts mostly

[quasi torrent]

cuz they have to die?

[old fog]

gabe would you mind helping me with TS teams

it’s tough

[quasi torrent]

i hate nemora in Twisted realm. so annoying, why couldnt they make her minions stay permanently instead of respawning. wastes ult

[oak yarrow]

For me whalthalia better option atm then baeden then mae then saf

[old fog]

yeah it’s annoying

[quasi torrent]

u better save up shit for e60 then

[misty epoch]

Finished 20th today, why couldn't I finish 20th yesterday?

[oak yarrow]

I also need help

[old fog]

why? just curious i was advised mae for next

[quasi torrent]

my dumbass wouldve been 2% yesterday if i made another team with wrrthalia-BS

[old fog]

i asked first

[misty epoch]

[oak yarrow]

Always got em comin in while building whalthalia daemia comin and imma e60 emi next

[quasi torrent]

fr. hopefully i can get rank-title. shes rly showing her worth

[old fog]

azor can you help or is early game TS not ur thing

[gaunt marten]

i only help ppl who are not annoying

[oak yarrow]

My priorities

[sterile zinc]

[old fog]

does that mean ur not gonna help me

[quasi torrent]

real

[oak yarrow]

Am I still considered early ts?

[quasi torrent]

prolly

[old fog]

idk

i haven’t seen ur box/teams

my perception of early-mid-late game ts might be very off tho

[quasi torrent]

luxury box

[quasi torrent]

ya same. idk what determines what

[old fog]

like for example i think that once ur 6th and 7th teams aren’t just bsg and u got proper teams in there then ur prolly better than early game

[quasi torrent]

ya. so not us

[old fog]

ye lol

bro where did gabe go i asked if he was gonna help and he left

[misty epoch]

I have no idea how TS works in young regions, it's too bizzare

[quasi torrent]

hes in #classic-questions

[old fog]

fair enough then, ty anyway

[quasi torrent]

tru.

how good is edwin TS

[oak yarrow]

Mid

[quasi torrent]

real

[old fog]

edwin is like

mid in general not amazing anywhere not terrible

[gaunt marten]

wrong but ok

[old fog]

mb

[oak yarrow]

Sum cr use

[old fog]

he’s not amazing there tho surely he’s just got some use

[quasi torrent]

if im gonna need to make BS gb team im gonna need some carry

[quasi torrent]

thicc thane gah'am

[old fog]

yeah no i think ur super early that’s a pretty mid box ngl

[gaunt marten]

yeah, 12b+ ae boss comp is super mid

isnt amazing anywhere

[quasi torrent]

real

[oak yarrow]

Mid im going on 5 wokes rn

[oak yarrow]

That too

[misty epoch]

How are you today Gabe?

[old fog]

i don’t know anything about ae mb

[oak yarrow]

Thane go BRRR

[gaunt marten]

cranky, shitty, bored

[proven vault]

how is your wutus astar team doing

[misty epoch]

@proven vault Herro

[gaunt marten]

head hurts

[old fog]

god damn. you spend?

[misty epoch]

55% I think

[quasi torrent]

shit i just realised i need 1% to get the core chests. dammit

[oak yarrow]

Very rare occasion

[gaunt marten]

sad, everyone asleep that i like to talk to

[misty epoch]

Changed astar to Yenn now

[old fog]

damn very nice

[quasi torrent]

ayo ppl couldnt i just gari yen rn and wait for 2 more furn to come about eventually

[gaunt marten]

@old fog i dmd you

[proven vault]

Mine is at 32% wr

[misty epoch]

I can feel it from the way you talk

[oak yarrow]

r30 rough tho barely made t100 this round

[old fog]

oh sorry i didn’t notice. tysm

[misty epoch]

B-b-but I am not asleep

[quasi torrent]

ayo someone answer me question

[misty epoch]

My Rem team 90%

[oak yarrow]

Wat is question

[gaunt marten]

if embla and zappy arent online i basically just t pose until they are online

[gritty oxide]

You can ask ducky, he's almost a f2p. Campaign progress further than me and his ts is around the same as my accounts in r43 too

[quasi torrent]

.

[gaunt marten]

and six

[lime zinc]

t-pose in TS chat until zappy gets mad

[gaunt marten]

oh six is here!!!! six is awake

[oak yarrow]

Am f2p (forced2pay)

[gaunt marten]

im not alone

[quasi torrent]