treasure-scramble

[gaunt marten]

Tarnos in cr

I love tarnos I want to try that

[fair rapids]

I am pleased

[dapper lance]

i secretly wanted it to do well

[fair rapids]

But you know who to blame it not portal parties fault

[gaunt marten]

I was so happy when abaden and edwin in one round

[dapper lance]

the problem is literally pippa and tasi get deleted in 01 second

[fair rapids]

[dapper lance]

whatever i never blame anyone

im the idiot that put it in

[fair rapids]

[indigo quail]

[gilded salmon]

[dapper lance]

[dapper lance]

[fair rapids]

[dapper lance]

look like you have same issue

tbf i blame pippa

this idiot squirrel

[fair rapids]

It does better near the end

[dapper lance]

reee

[gaunt marten]

Big

[fair rapids]

[dapper lance]

ok

my wr is super tanking lmao

portal party not helping

[fair rapids]

It's not

[dapper lance]

its the only team still at zero

just gonna change team before i forget lol

[fair rapids]

I think mine needs mishka

[fair rapids]

I'm not going to make it to 5 teams if this keeps up

[trail swift]

scarlet op

[dapper lance]

[trail swift]

my teams are shit but i'm just over this debuff already idc anymore ;q

cba to change em

[fair rapids]

Fuck red

I want to go back to ice

[gilded salmon]

I like red

[dapper lance]

ice triggers me

[gilded salmon]

But I also like ice

[trail swift]

ice is best

for some reason

probably because so many of the newer op heroes just burst your team to shit in 0.00001s

[dapper lance]

baden shines in ice its ridic

not having him is bad in comp ice

[trail swift]

ice kinda quells that and takes it long so you can actually strategize based on your heroes kits ;q

[dapper lance]

athalia did extremely well in ice for some reason

[trail swift]

yeh but now she just wins the moment the round starts lel

[dapper lance]

thats fair

[indigo quail]

can 100 baden do anything

[trail swift]

i kinda wish i played this game back before awks

it musta been comfy

[fair rapids]

he can die prob

[lime zinc]

Was the same kinda pain but a lot less lol

I can't remember what whale comps looked like back then, other than smth like Audrae burst

But there was a lot of identical dims, GBs and luc cycle at not awful ranks

[fair rapids]

@dapper lance
Did it win in the first 5.

[dapper lance]

no

lol

[gilded salmon]

[dapper lance]

reeee

im finding out

[dapper lance]

how to stop finding out

[gilded salmon]

🙃

[fair rapids]

Oh god

Nimu emi actually valid

[dapper lance]

who tf is nimi

OOOH

[lime zinc]

Nimisi

[dapper lance]

[fair rapids]

[dapper lance]

thank you much appreciated

[lime zinc]

Hi simmins titims

[spice finch]

[dapper lance]

[fair rapids]

Celowz how's first 5

[dapper lance]

sir stip this

[spice finch]

not great!

[lime zinc]

Numisu was one of the main buffers for backline when Mortas was too slow

[dapper lance]

i just saw that numi's haste is 40

thats so wild

for highest atk hero

[lime zinc]

It's a good buff but the rest of his kit sucks balls

AwNumisu could be a monster buffer if it ever happens

[solemn sage]

that 20 haste SI

[fair rapids]

Yea + his si is good I'ma M him next

I underestimated him

[solemn sage]

and then there's lorsan with 30 haste on SI

[sour jay]

Good for scarlet

[solemn sage]

and two haste nodes in engravings

plus some more on his engrave stars

[sour jay]

Too bad lorsan is useless beyond link in most gamemodes

[lime zinc]

I don't want to engrave my Lorsan just for CR but I might one day

[sour jay]

Cr is all he has

[lime zinc]

The 9f shield is good too, but not good enough for modern TS

[solemn sage]

he still has room for a team 7

random wilders go is real

[lime zinc]

He's def usable but not amazing

[gilded salmon]

9f lorsan in ice

[lime zinc]

You could probably do some kinda dodge meme with him + Seal

[solemn sage]

too many teams using mages

Dodge not enough

[lime zinc]

Stupid int ignoring dodge

Just wait until they make someone who gives MS based on dodge

AwLorsan with fat MS shields

[thin ermine]

my brain isnt working what r those things that get added onto badges in rift called again?

[fair rapids]

When is a good time to slot anasta on for furn

[lime zinc]

In TS?

[solemn sage]

awakened Kaz

[lime zinc]

Anasta 9F is pretty great

[thin ermine]

brain not working rift lol

[lime zinc]

Well prob better to ask in trift (but they're called seals iirc)

[fair rapids]

Yea I feel like I have so many prios

[thin ermine]

im in the wrong channel too....my brain

[solemn sage]

TS channel is really just #classic-chat anyways

[lime zinc]

Idk how early her prio is but she's def one of the better Mauler 9Fs

Like 2nd or 3rd after AwBrutus and Kren if that's still important

[solemn sage]

if you have anasta, she goes on wishlist immediately

imo

top 10 furn

[lime zinc]

She really doesn't function without 9F so it is good to get it asap

[fair rapids]

I'm L+ food away from having her A

[solemn sage]

then get working on that furn now

[fair rapids]

I'll slot her on after Silas maybe

[lime zinc]

Her e60 is great but 9F is the key breakpoint to use her

[fair rapids]

Everyone on my WL is prio tho

Or close to 9f

[lime zinc]

She's used in a lot of CR+NC fortunately

[solemn sage]

I don't think she really has key breakpoints

just every upgrade is good for her

she's good without invest and just gets better with each improvement

[fair rapids]

Maybe after LDV or Silas I'll slot her in

[lime zinc]

Her dmg and surv is nice from the get but she can't help the team until 9f

Obvs depends on everything else you're missing but Anasta is a good pick

[solemn sage]

raine not 3f yet?

[fair rapids]

No

[lime zinc]

Idk what raine 9f even does

[fair rapids]

Her and Oden have been unlucky

Est on after Raine prob

[solemn sage]

raine 9f re-applies her 3f to new target after original target dies

useless on bosses, good for TS

[lime zinc]

Good for AwBel ig

[solemn sage]

good but not mandatory

[fair rapids]

Should I slot anasta after Raine then

[solemn sage]

yeah stop raine at 3f

for now

[lime zinc]

Seems a lot more like a luxury yeah

[fair rapids]

Yea I will

[thin ermine]

Thanks. i thinks its either seals or relics...i dont remember

[fair rapids]

Ldv is close aswell so whoever finishes first ig

I fucked up early prio to someone who misleaded me

[lime zinc]

I'm a weirdo with 9f Mehira and Khazard lol

[fair rapids]

[solemn sage]

I'm a weirdo with 9f everybody

[lime zinc]

Meta changes can be pretty stark so it needs to be updated often

Meta change can be so fast that it happens before a 9F is even done

[solemn sage]

only 9fs I don't have are the celehypos I don't plan on building

and ginneas but he'll get there

[lime zinc]

Ur whel tho

[solemn sage]

lots of people more whale than me with fewer 9fs

because I'm a weirdo who has 9f walker

[fair rapids]

[solemn sage]

I chose completion over dupes

[lime zinc]

My stupid Sonja couldn't reach 9F before AwThane LBs became weak

[solemn sage]

athane LBs still gonna stick around for a while I think

[fair rapids]

I just want to pull LB man I have so many at M+/M with food ready

[solemn sage]

but as a team 6 or 7

[lime zinc]

Hasn't totally disappeared yeah

[solemn sage]

though it might change

into athane burst + awthalia LBs

[lime zinc]

But WR drops so hard out of burst

I feel like it'll stay valid for Blue for a while at least

[solemn sage]

I guess athane is team 7 now

because abaden is team 6

for whale teams

actually I gotta figure out what abaden team to do for 6

if I'm using ezizh with tarnos and alna with abel

I guess abrutus is also free

[lime zinc]

I saw some hideous AwThane LBs as 6/7 in HoE (when all the standard supps are taken by better teams)

[solemn sage]

time to get weird

[lime zinc]

Regress back to the Orth and Hendrick days

[dapper lance]

downright freaky

[lime zinc]

It's funny how AwBrutus is a high WR AW in red but doesn't actually have a comp for whales since his stuff is used for others

[solemn sage]

new dims just too strong

[lime zinc]

They're more often paired with AwAtha for whales right

[fair rapids]

Atha mid has 🧀 my emi a few times

[lime zinc]

The remilia brutus comp is really strong tho

[solemn sage]

I'm mostly seeing mulan in dims and awthalia in burst with athane

[lime zinc]

Ahh

[solemn sage]

but swapping them was a little better for me

[lime zinc]

Who takes pos 4? Mulan pos4 and Emi 3?

[solemn sage]

but yeah maybe abrutus with remilia and awthalia in 6th

[solemn sage]

yea

[lime zinc]

Which AW goes there if not AwAtha or AwBrutus
Sol?

[solemn sage]

they don't use one

[lime zinc]

Oh

[fair rapids]

[solemn sage]

emi pos 3 more common at my rank

[lime zinc]

Tbf in my FL tests Emi was dealing way more dmg than AwBrutus so ig it makes sense

[fair rapids]

that's nice

[lime zinc]

AwBrutus does seem to peel for her though

[solemn sage]

krakens don't need no awakeneds

[lime zinc]

Emi seems like she likes pos4 but doesn't need it (as much as Mulan or Yen would), especially at e30+

[fair rapids]

So many stars

Lvl 36 seal

Max tree

[lime zinc]

Remilia do be the 2nd coming of Overlord

[solemn sage]

that's a maxed account

rank 1 of my region

[fair rapids]

He won't ever lose

[dapper lance]

1 out of 11

im hoping these dudes get at least 20%

[solemn sage]

that tasi doing nothing

better to throw an L aezizh in there tbh

double that 2 hypo buff

[dapper lance]

both pippa and tasi are doing nothing

just wanted satisfy a member's curiosity here for running portal party in upper ranks

will go back to my original team after this round

too many thanes and athalias

[gilded salmon]

you know im glad tasi has no insight, sap is a toxic af ability in any game

[solemn sage]

yeah portal party doesn't work when enemies ignore so much of your CC these days

[sour jay]

My Belinda lost to a tasi the other day cause she failed the tenacity check

[solemn sage]

or just dive you before you can cc them

[dapper lance]

[sour jay]

Rem is at a solid 9% rn

Good use of $15

[solemn sage]

mine's at 90%

[gilded salmon]

Is the acc/haste node on rem not worth

[fair rapids]

Better than 13% abel

[gilded salmon]

45% here

[dapper lance]

no

dont pick nodes for secondary stats imo

youre picking specific nodes for cost efficiency and secondary stats defeat that purpose

[solemn sage]

yeah primary stat is the important one

and acc is meh

Unless you're going all the way to e60

[dapper lance]

I feel like Rem dies too fast for that e60; the e41 breakpoint is serviceable for most people unless you go to e67

tbf in my replays if she survives, she is uncontested damage carry

otherwise its either brutus or emilia

[solemn sage]

yeah her e60 doesn't always do anything

but when it does, it does a lot

[dapper lance]

Emilia is my most consistent damage dealer

[solemn sage]

Emilia is the opener, rem is the closer

most of the time the opener is all you need

[dapper lance]

Perfect for burst

[sour jay]

Are defensive stats underrated for rem? Or they just won't be enough

Coming from finishing e60 that is

[dapper lance]

How do you mean; like getting the nodes after 60?

[lime zinc]

She's LDV but on steroids

[sour jay]

No I mean going e41 to e60 is a lot of defensive stats

Most heros that's not useful

[solemn sage]

she gets a lot of MR

which can be useful

More you have the more valuable it is

[lime zinc]

If she ever actually survives to ult twice it's huge dmg

[dapper lance]

Oh, the e60 is good, just not good for burst I'm guessing

It's definitely situational but the stats helps in all other modes

I've been using her as DPS sub (mainly for Thane) in NC/CR

[sour jay]

Hell just one ult wins

In TS at least

[dapper lance]

She does A LOT of damage

[solemn sage]

of course rem and emilia are really just a distraction

[lime zinc]

Her 1st ult is really slow too

[solemn sage]

the real strength of that team is albedo + merlin + seal combo

[sour jay]

I'm quite confident rem won every fight she got to ult

Which means 9% of the time

[lime zinc]

Tbh Rem feels there more for the 9F than anything else, since fights usually finish before she gets to do anything

[solemn sage]

that team has like 60-70% winrate with talismane for me

in ice

[sour jay]

I've seen her just beat teams to death without ult

[solemn sage]

with seal, 90%+

[dapper lance]

who is your fifth?

abrutus?

[solemn sage]

awthalia or mulan

[dapper lance]

Sounds good thanks

I have Brutus Albedo Rem Merlin Emilia Lion at consistent 60-70wr

would Talis be better here? Or Seal?

[solemn sage]

seal is best but needs to be level 15+

with abrutus probably talis > winged

without abrutus, winged > talis I think

[dapper lance]

I'm running Seal on Solise and Talis on Baden/Alna

I'll think about shuffling pets

[lime zinc]

Even if Lion is better than Tali for AwBrutus, you'd appreciate freeing Lion for another team anyway

[solemn sage]

depends how whale your pets are

with reso 18 winged isn't the best pet on a lot of teams anymoer

[dapper lance]

thats insane to me haha

winged was so hyped as first lv18

crazy

[solemn sage]

Seal is busted on any high survivability team

[lime zinc]

Lion is the most broadly usable but isn't bis for everything

[solemn sage]

winged or owl are best on very high burst teams

talismane is best (or second to seal) on slower teams

[dapper lance]

I'm slowly loving Talis on Baden

Didn't think it would work...

[lime zinc]

Souffle is also for slow teams

[dapper lance]

I've been attaching Brutus to Dims and giving them Lion lol

I don't understand Soufflé

[lime zinc]

I normally use Lion on GBs and Tali on AwBrutus

[thin ermine]

y not?

[dapper lance]

He's slow in general; I wrote it off...

[dapper lance]

His perks come from ult, and it doesn't happen as fast as I would like

[solemn sage]

and rock lizard is great for anti-burst

[lime zinc]

Souffle has more energy regen than Lion and has CC, as a trade off for being slow and not having buffs

[thin ermine]

thats true. ult takes awhile

but energy regen is good

[solemn sage]

if your team just needs to survive to an ult, rock lizard is where it's at

[dapper lance]

Where I would use Souffle, Seal does better

Rock is permanently attached to Belinda lol

[thin ermine]

i like it with energy cycles

[lime zinc]

One day I'll have 12 RCL

[solemn sage]

With the current whale teams, we use winged with abel (and alna)

and rock lizard with tarnos asol

[dapper lance]

Energy cycle is nearly dead in pvp

[lime zinc]

Yeah been seeing RCL on overheal lately

[dapper lance]

Only energy cycle alive is Bel, and she takes Rock

[solemn sage]

she doesn't need rock if she has alna

[thin ermine]

yeah. but at 7 teams energy cycle is feasible

most current pvp is 5 teams so

[dapper lance]

Baden thrives with Alna; I can't make him work without her

[solemn sage]

the trick is not using abaden

[dapper lance]

Ok that's fair

[thin ermine]

lol

[lime zinc]

Hero and beast swaps that whales use aren't really transferrable to prawns and lower

[solemn sage]

I usually use souffle with mae hypos

but only at 6 or 7 teams

at 5 teams they get talismane

[dapper lance]

I was thinking that...

Mae fights do be taking awhile

[restive goblet]

What about seal for maetria?

Seems good with her and Cruke

[solemn sage]

seal is very good with mae

but even better with dims for me

[dapper lance]

Seal with Solise stall

for me

[thin ermine]

i give seal to mae teams

[solemn sage]

I haven't actually tried it this debuff

[dapper lance]

If I could BiS my teams, I would use Deer with Sol and Seal with Mae

[solemn sage]

in ice, seal on mae added 10% winrate but it added 20% to dims

[thin ermine]

deer needs so much investment to work well ugh

[dapper lance]

Using weird off-meta subs right now lol

[dapper lance]

I think 15 for overheal

[solemn sage]

though the best strat for day 10 was actually using seal on its own team

[thin ermine]

yeap...so far

[thin ermine]

my dims is whack so i run it on mae lol

[solemn sage]

best team 7 I've ever had

[dapper lance]

Seal is just huge....

[thin ermine]

still og dims

[thin ermine]

nice!

[solemn sage]

Seal is busted in ice

[dapper lance]

The purest definition of stall

[thin ermine]

ur trez is nice~

kelthur worth that 9f to you?

[solemn sage]

about as worth as my walker 9f

[thin ermine]

[dapper lance]

[thin ermine]

guess its out of consideration then lol

[solemn sage]

gotta catch em all

[thin ermine]

im giving drez 9f cause cr/nc has been using em

[thin ermine]

ive been wondering is 400 player lvl really the max?

[solemn sage]

yes

[dapper lance]

yes

[thin ermine]

so sad

[solemn sage]

I've been 400 for a very long time

I'm ancient

[thin ermine]

im almost there so ive been thinking about it

ANCIENT

[dapper lance]

I knew Perp was older but you too, Farara?

[thin ermine]

not so much compared lol. i started in 2/14/2020

[dapper lance]

Nice

Hope you guys still enjoy the game

[thin ermine]

[dapper lance]

Cue "reroll" spam these days

[thin ermine]

i do so im still around~

[solemn sage]

I'll be here forever

king of the ashes

[dapper lance]

Good to hear

[thin ermine]

i aim to stick around until the game isnt around lol

[solemn sage]

cutting back my spending, but no plans on quitting

[thin ermine]

ive been quite consistent w/ spending since i dont spend much in the first place~

[solemn sage]

I rank high enough in CR/TS to get awakeneds for free now

[thin ermine]

NICE

[solemn sage]

so don't really need to spend to keep up

[dapper lance]

I'm on the cusp

[thin ermine]

i wanna boost my cr/nc but

[dapper lance]

Just need to finish this cruke and I think I can go on cruise control

[solemn sage]

it was borderline, but they keep adding more timegazer income

celehypos harder to keep up with than awakeneds now

always need more normal gazers

[thin ermine]

i think im good w/ celepos instead...TE is hard...im missing awbrut still

[polar dune]

Don’t listen to yourself

Job not done

[dapper lance]

[thin ermine]

almost there~

[solemn sage]

I've got the useful celehypos but we're about to get a new one

and if they're good I won't be able to build them for a month or so

[thin ermine]

ive been hearing that but we'll see. hopefully its good. cause im not gonna rush building it and regret it

i regret building audrea instead of tarnos lol

[solemn sage]

I always hope celehypos are trash

that's 700 gazers I can use on someone else

[thin ermine]

lol like leofric

ooops.

no names i guess

[solemn sage]

I'm probably gonna start building leofric from NC store now

but never gonna gaze him

[dapper lance]

I hope new one is trash

[thin ermine]

i was gonna build fram from store but have been advised against it

so im gonna get baits prob.

[thin ermine]

we'll see soon hopefully

[solemn sage]

baits definitely better for most people

I'm 18 reso now though

[thin ermine]

wow lol. nice~ im sitting 12 looking at 15 not being near future lol

[dapper lance]

12 is fine

focus on specific 18s now imo

[solemn sage]

yeah 15 reso isn't something to focus on

just get it on the way to all 18s

[polar dune]

Me too

[thin ermine]

im just pushing specific ones to key points rn

seal 15 blade 15 etc.

[fair rapids]

Poor 309e60 Abel

[thin ermine]

awbel is soooo rng

[dapper lance]

blade to 15 and i guess deer to 15 are fine, but focus owl/seal/talis to 18 in this order imo

not sure where lion lands in prio anymore

[thin ermine]

yeah doing owl as well just bad drop

[fair rapids]

His comp was just shit

[thin ermine]

oh didnt notice lol

brut scarlet lol

[fair rapids]

@dapper lance
Please tell me Oden won 1

[dapper lance]

exactly one so far lol

[solemn sage]

Lion is still good, just not #1 prio

imo seal > talis > lion > owl

for 18s

[fair rapids]

Oh god

[dapper lance]

interesting

[thin ermine]

gotcha. lemme hit the ones that have benchmark at 15 and work on the 18s

[fair rapids]

Well portal party don't work for whales

[dapper lance]

was told owl first and foremost

owl seal talis

no one told me this but I suppose I would put lion after seal

[solemn sage]

owl vs lion is debatable, but seal and talis clear top 2 imo

[thin ermine]

only 4 has benchmark at 15 so hopefully ill be done soon. i have seal at 15

highest one rn~

[dapper lance]

seal at 15 is already huge

nice choice

[solemn sage]

though it does depend on modes you care about

seal was meh in AE

[thin ermine]

i really wanted it for the ship and mae

does so well w. mae for me

[misty epoch]

Send an ambulance to the Brutal Citadel, floor 616, apartment no. 2

Whoever called the ambulance, thank you 🙏

[fair rapids]

23

[misty epoch]

[thin ermine]

congrats lol. i pushed really hard to 660 and now i struggle so bad w/ 3 teams. i see that ur almost there as well

[sterile inlet]

Thinking t1 is overstacked

[misty epoch]

I wish, but something is telling me these 40 floors is gonna take forever

[thin ermine]

i pushed em w/o aw brut. just needed to find the formations. if ur up to it, wont take too long

whats ur rc?

[misty epoch]

Mauler tower without Wutus

[misty epoch]

514

[thin ermine]

EXACTLY lol.

then u should be good. i found this one person's videos and just copied his formations mostly and some from comments

doable but trouble

[misty epoch]

I see, I just copy in game formations, cba to search for vids

[thin ermine]

i cant use in game formations since no awbrut....it was hell for me to go through each video lol

so much work

[misty epoch]

Yeah I can imagine

That's some dedication lmao

[lime zinc]

There should be more AW alternatives appearing in some fac towers using Seal as 3rd team

[thin ermine]

i really need those TE but sadly i was still short....aw athalia still a m+

[misty epoch]

[thin ermine]

i really wish...wish i could specify which kind of team i wanna see as reference

[lime zinc]

LB seal has been really weird to setup when all the pre-Ginneas tanks are so frail and the supps are all buffers not healers

[restive goblet]

just 309 Gwyn

[thin ermine]

after seal came out it gave another whole new option for formations since he works like a 6th hero and does tons of dmg

[lime zinc]

Seal is the only reason my Wilders aren't 40 floors lower than the others

Has also made Izold clears a lot easier for unengraved

[solemn sage]

wilders were my highest faction before abel

still better than GBs and maulers

[lime zinc]

No AwBel or AwSol so it's a self-explanatory GB > Mauler > LB > Wilders for me

[thin ermine]

ah makes sense

i like to have all towers around the same floor but....mauler stuck around 660+ and the rest r 700+ lol

[lime zinc]

Mauler seal 3rd seems kinda weird to setup too, since Anasta is usually on a diff team

[solemn sage]

currently LB is 976 and the others all 961

but haven't pushed the others in a while

[thin ermine]

OP. thats some dedication too

[lime zinc]

I haven't touched mine in ages, could def push a lot further if I ran the auto a lot longer

They're all ~760 ish, Wilder at ~740

[thin ermine]

you could get TE from it. turn on auto!

[lime zinc]

Well, ages as in a month or two. Before then it was a lot worse lol

[thin ermine]

how w/o aw bel and aw sol?!

[lime zinc]

LB is using L AwBel 3rd team

Wilders is seal + eorin + raku eironn

[thin ermine]

wow

[trail swift]

why is my mishkaless scarlet team doing better than dims and asolise

[lime zinc]

My RC is prob way higher than yours, considering my fac tower is bad for my RC still

[thin ermine]

i think mine is below too unfortunately. rc 571 rn

[trail swift]

should i just drop ainz in dims over palmer :q

yenn is gud but idk if she has the finishing power

as the only dps

[solemn sage]

mulan

[trail swift]

not invested

well 204

been waiting for 9f to do more with her

[lime zinc]

Who goes 4 when running Yen + Mulan

[solemn sage]

idk

could also stick emi there and someone else in abrutus

[lime zinc]

Would you run front Mulan with Yen 4

I don't think I can even afford Mulan in dims anyway, since I'd have to run invade and would need her there

[thin ermine]

how good is ur ainz?

[solemn sage]

I just hate ainz

[trail swift]

mines 309e44

[thin ermine]

yeah he died. but i have to run him still lol

[trail swift]

41

[thin ermine]

you could try swapping him in dims w/ yen

[trail swift]

was gonna swap palmer

[thin ermine]

try both. see what works better

[trail swift]

just idk where to put palmer lol

[lime zinc]

I think I'm testing Ainz dims at 5 team (on an old server with a terrible rank)

[thin ermine]

there are time have both palmer and merlin helped, while other times have yen and ainz helped

[thin ermine]

abel?

[trail swift]

dun have

she's m+30

[thin ermine]

whats t1?

[trail swift]

lucy alna gb

[thin ermine]

then prob w/ asol

[trail swift]

i can go back to mishka astar nevanthi palmer asolise in asol team

but its been workin better with grez..sometimes

[thin ermine]

swap astar for palmer and try maybe?

[trail swift]

may as well cause t6 i have to put grez back in gb anyway so lucy can do some shitty cycle team

[thin ermine]

T6 try thoran stall if u have thoran flora

[solemn sage]

LB tower usually gets stuck on one hard enemy and then next time I look at the game it's pushed 3 floors
Wilder needs adjustments and RNG on every floor but can usually win in <20 mins
GB is either easy wins or 3 hour RNG thoran cheeses
Mauler is hour or more for every floor, and when there's enemy astar make it 4 hours

[thin ermine]

exactly how it is for me too....but even longer lol

[solemn sage]

wilder/GB/mauler have similar ceilings, just a lot more time for mauler to hit its ceiling

LB can go 15-20 floors higher but that's with 2 awakeneds

[trail swift]

mauler is a huge pain in the ass to push at my rc

even with abrutus..not having antandra to carry t1 is hard

[solemn sage]

I have e60 drez antandra

and it's still rough

[thin ermine]

mauler has been rough since day 1

[lime zinc]

LB having 2 AWs and Scarlet is pretty strong

[thin ermine]

yeapppp

[solemn sage]

2 team mauler seems like easymode these days

kren team and abrutus team, with anasta helping wherever needed

[thin ermine]

w/ awbrut yes

[solemn sage]

but 3 teams is nightmare

[lime zinc]

Everyone should have Kren and Anasta at least

[thin ermine]

hopefully next aw mauler will make it better

[lime zinc]

I was using Kren team + Anasta Antandra at 2 team before I had AwBrutus

[thin ermine]

same. antandra was real carry before. people e60 her just for tower

[lime zinc]

I think my AwBrutus only arrived around when I hit 660 anyway

[thin ermine]

im 660 and my aw brut is sitting at L+ unfortunately...

once im done w/ aw athalia. im gonna either work on aw brut or whenever a new aw mauler comes out

[solemn sage]

I remember mauler tower before kren

[thin ermine]

need one really

[solemn sage]

that was real rough

[thin ermine]

nightmare

[lime zinc]

I bet you could do smth weird with fat Salaki+Alaro+Anoki (Seal) but it'd be very weird to have them invested without AwBrutus

Pushing with Safiya and Tidus was pain

[thin ermine]

my salaki alaro aint in crystal lol

[thin ermine]

rng overnight lol

soooo bad

[lime zinc]

Pushing cele tower without Audrae, Tarnos or AwAtha is awful

[thin ermine]

tell me about it. i tried so hard w. cele tower. it y i got morael and audrea in the first place....its the one tower i try the most w.

i always got aw talene for it weekly hoping id push 1 floor lol

[lime zinc]

Really busy irl and I forgot to push cele during trial

[thin ermine]

i pushed w/ trial. a lot. was hoping id push like 100floors but i know i was dreaming.....pushed like 50floors total

sitting at 511

[solemn sage]

it's kinda dumb how I have all the celes except tidus

[lime zinc]

12 fights so far and Ainz dims is 25%

[solemn sage]

and hypo tower still higher than cele

luc just broken

[thin ermine]

[lime zinc]

Wolf statue celestial

[trail swift]

but do u have yenn the enabler

[thin ermine]

we need a luc like hero for cel. would make life so much easier

[lime zinc]

Wdym, am I running Yen?
It's Alb/JoA/Ainz/Yen/Merlin (RCL 9)
30960 all except for 30330 JoA

[trail swift]

hmm

same cept joan always slot3 for me

[lime zinc]

Anything other than pos4 joan is fine

[trail swift]

i frontline merlin since he has cheat death anyway and is actually useful while 'dead'/ghostform

yehhh

rn i just have palmer in 5 next to yenn

feel like ainz would improve it but idk

[lime zinc]

I tried Skri Yen at the start of 4 team and it was just as bad

[trail swift]

it's 44% atm

usually climbs up to ~50%, nothin horrible

[lime zinc]

That's basically as good as my AwThane burst

[trail swift]

region diff :q

[lime zinc]

It moves around a lot depending on my rank, but it's way less stable than AwBrutus dims or GBs

And everything is split into 6 bad teams soon enough

[trail swift]

yipp

ill prolly run lucy cycle t6...but scarlet will suffer a bit without rowan

[lime zinc]

No Alna GBs and Invade both getting ~50% is a win for me
AwThane LBs was like 30%

[trail swift]

i have rowan + brutus frontline atm for her lel

42%..actually not terrible

might leave it as is and do some dumb ldv raku team

err rowan + estrilda, forgot i swapped brutus for her

[lime zinc]

Alna Luc ~45% and it nerfs my GBs from ~65% to ~55%

Smallest loss for any of my splits

[trail swift]

yeah my gb suffers hard non-blizz without alna

[fair rapids]

@worthy rapids
Emi nimu was actually

[trail swift]

not sure if its even worth it

[lime zinc]

Mine was doing really badly at first but it got a lot better by 50 fights

[trail swift]

grez daimon frontline would prolly get 20% lol

no abaden

[lime zinc]

Oh without AwBaden dropping Alna would be brutal

Already rough with Alna Grez

I have a feeling that Edwin could be a good sub for Alna

[thin ermine]

oh eddy and wbae go well together~ at least in cr/nc

[fair rapids]

I like the sound of that

[thin ermine]

im waiting on my eddy to get some furn drop and im gonna try em out

so stuck on furn w. him

[fair rapids]

Lmk how it works

I like the GB

[lime zinc]

Oh I just realised I didn't notice that I moved Yen to dims at 5T off GBs. Rip 20% WR

[fair rapids]

And Eddy and waden

Might build those 2 one day

[lime zinc]

The WR of my 5T dims is the same as how much my GBs lost

[thin ermine]

will do. eddy has came to use after his release so i had at least have him since he was usable at low investment like crassio

[fair rapids]

Emilia nimu has a 97% WR

Someone told me emi is only a supp

[lime zinc]

I've had Edwin on wl the whole time and he's 0/3

[fair rapids]

It took my Oden a month to get 1f

[thin ermine]

25100 eddy here lol

[thin ermine]

emi is at least a sub dps if not full dps w. good team

[fair rapids]

She has been big carry in TS

Don't thing 203 rem will pull her numbers

Like some ppl where telling me

[thin ermine]

once i have em both done. im gonna test em and see. id just run a comp w. both of em thou

rem emi comp has been very successful from what i heard

[fair rapids]

Ima split them off later rounds with ldv prob

When I get him

[lime zinc]

Praying for at least 20%

[thin ermine]

30930 ldv here. regret that e30 kinda

[fair rapids]

Is LDV worth a card

[thin ermine]

not to me but maybe if he comes handy for u

[fair rapids]

His 30 si is bugged from what I've heard

[thin ermine]

yeah si30 most important

[restive goblet]

I thought his si30 was broken

[fair rapids]

He only needs 209

30 si broke

[lime zinc]

What was si30, 9F was the inc dmg vs painting

[fair rapids]

9f I think

[thin ermine]

broke?! i havent paid much attension

[fair rapids]

Yea it's 9f

[fair rapids]

Yea it don't work correctly

Hasn't since he came out as far as ik

[thin ermine]

scratch that then. 9f i guess.

[restive goblet]

I don’t remember exactly, but I thought it was something like he already has the SI 30 effect so it’s redundant

[thin ermine]

i know rosa 9f hasnt been working forever and ive been pushing for it to get fixed so much

[fair rapids]

I have 8f rn so maybe I pull it

[thin ermine]

might as well open the space

[fair rapids]

I'm not gonna card till I get him tho

I'm a week or 2 out

[thin ermine]

or right. u dont have him yet lol

i dont have emi but i have 8f rn too lol

[fair rapids]

Why 8f emi

[thin ermine]

gonna get 9f. waiting on the drop

[fair rapids]

She just needs 3f her 9f ain't gonna prock to often

[thin ermine]

i just get all dims to 9f now. i have enough space on wl. i only started dupes recently so no rush

except joker i guess. i dont use him at all pretty much sitting at 303 optimal

[fair rapids]

Fair your late game

[thin ermine]

yeah

[fair rapids]

45 right

[thin ermine]

ch45 yeap

i actually have some dims missing 9f...but i dont use em so oh well

joker, melusina, nako missing 9f

[lime zinc]

Aight, gonna try Scarlet random bs for 5th instead

[gaunt marten]

T31, rewards not that bad

I'm t34 now

[fair rapids]

Bro pizza the goat for this wild nimu strat

[gaunt marten]

Idfk what's happening

[thin ermine]

NICE!!

[thin ermine]

lol WOW

[thin ermine]

have fun~

[gaunt marten]

Sucks I need to be inside t25

But hard without remilia

[fair rapids]

Just buy them

[storm moth]

gabe push me to masters pls

[fair rapids]

[gaunt marten]

HELP WHAT

DRAGON WAS THST DELETED

[fair rapids]

[gaunt marten]

No I'm in masters

[fair rapids]

What deleted

[gaunt marten]

Push yourself

[fair rapids]

Gabe push me D1

I'm close

[gaunt marten]

No

[lime zinc]

Past: Wow, it's so strong getting an e60
Present: I've got 10 unused e60s and I'm hoping for double digits

[storm moth]

these last 300 points are impossible

[thin ermine]

two people at least helped me push masters. i tried too but they really helped~

[fair rapids]

Fine

[thin ermine]

lol

collectors mindset vs competitive mindset

[gaunt marten]

Try harder

Be like me and be pushed to masters while at work for 12 hours

[thin ermine]

impressive!!!

HoE is harder this time....hopefully not this hard next time too

[gaunt marten]

It's only gonna get harder

[fair rapids]

It my first time being a diamond hoe

[fair rapids]

Bec it's my first hoe

[thin ermine]

[fair rapids]

I want to get star but it's doubtful

[storm moth]

im too weak

[gaunt marten]

Carries you like a sick baby bird

[thin ermine]

try pushing before refresh hour. people help u

[lime zinc]

"If 4 of my teams are over 50% I should still be positive point gain right..."

[thin ermine]

interesting T7

[lime zinc]

Literally just random BS leftovers

Fully expecting to see smth like 75, 65, 60, 55, 10, 10, 10

Won't even really see T7 anyway, since my rank is so bad that I only reach it for a short time

AwBrutus invade was doing ok but I can't afford to run a separate 5 dims when I need Yen in no Alna GBs

[fair rapids]

I love dim salad

[trail swift]

why would anyone do that

[thin ermine]

no lucy? even energy cycle could do better than t7 i think lol

[lime zinc]

Alna Luc is T4

[thin ermine]

ah. makes sense. oh well. gl!!

[lime zinc]

Will have to test at 6T but splitting 1-3 was just resulting in 2 bad teams at 5

[restive goblet]

Abel at 50%

[trail swift]

that r9 investment

[thin ermine]

AH makes sense.

[lime zinc]

And I'm a baby here

If I shuffled stuff around I could run zero e0s but it wouldn't make sense

[safe wave]

i forgot to set teams

[gaunt marten]

[fair rapids]

It keeps going up

[fair rapids]

What where you before

Like t50 right

[toxic prawn]

Dragon you finally have a working team I’m proud

[fair rapids]

It was thanks to pizza telling me to slap in nimu

I just slapped in wutus and it works

[gaunt marten]

Makes sense

[fair rapids]

The other teams are struggling

Tho

[gaunt marten]

Similar to brutus emi teams ppl using

[trail swift]

emilia is so hilariously broken for being a non-awk

[gaunt marten]

Except numisu there

[safe wave]

only 1%

[toxic prawn]

Dragon’s convinced numi is doing all the work

[lime zinc]

I'm gonna try Astar stall as my 5th next round

[toxic prawn]

I’ve seen that work

Idk bout r9 though, why are you having so much trouble in Multis though😂

[fair rapids]

It's the haste buff this team without nimu was getting 60-70%

[lime zinc]

Tested the Remilia Mulan w/ Seal (that Perp mentioned) vs FL and it could inconsistenly win vs e80 Rem + AwBrutus & AwAtha
(And my Seal is waaaay below what it needs to be)

[safe wave]

lv3 seal?

[gaunt marten]

Yeah mulan seal is nuts

[fair rapids]

Prob more than lvl 3

[gaunt marten]

Basically seal and any stall plus heavy hitting dps

[fair rapids]

Like lvl 15

[safe wave]

ive only got lv7 seal 🦭

[fair rapids]

Amy suggestions

To fix for tmrw

[proven vault]

Get abel 309e60

[tender arch]

top 3%

[fair rapids]

[safe wave]

353687 linda

[fair rapids]

Like my mishka

[toxic prawn]

Swap front or back of Abel team, so Palmer doesn’t steal potion

[fair rapids]

Wym

[granite mason]

ew t4 when

[toxic prawn]

Or put Palmer pos4

[proven vault]

mishka is 209e60

[safe wave]

old teams 💔

[trail swift]

strength t4 suk

[fair rapids]

[toxic prawn]

Keep Rowan and Palmer separate

[fair rapids]

Ah I see

[fair rapids]

Raine aint doing shit you thing Rosa would work better

[granite mason]

hendrik no furn

[toxic prawn]

Also I don’t think you want pipa pos4

[toxic prawn]

No

[safe wave]

my furniture wishlist is full

[fair rapids]

In pos 4 guarantee tp grantee tho

[fair rapids]

Who should I swap Raine with

[granite mason]

then dont use hendrik

[toxic prawn]

Oh right I had that backwards

[granite mason]

[toxic prawn]

Raines fine

[safe wave]

they r old teams im waiting for it to update

[fair rapids]

She buffing Rowan

[trail swift]

you could downgrade his gear if its close

[toxic prawn]

Oh

[proven vault]

How many furns does hendrik wants ? any real use for him besides some thane comps ?

wrong ping sry

[fair rapids]

I would have to downgrade his si

[trail swift]

he's a walking barricade so can't be that useless :q

[toxic prawn]

9 though, not really

[proven vault]

Yeah but besides barricade, how important is his furns ?

[fair rapids]

Wait I'm Wrong T3 wep gave Abel more cbmr

[granite mason]

at least 3f

for the def buff

[gaunt marten]

He just wants 3f

[granite mason]

for whane invade

[safe wave]

who would i swap for hendrik

[toxic prawn]

Abel

[trail swift]

what does 'above henrik' mean anyway if 3+4 and 4+5 are equally above him ;q

[fair rapids]

Abel

Lamo

12f already

[safe wave]

abel is getting 36f 😠

[fair rapids]

[granite mason]

if hes 4 then he buffs 3

[granite mason]

why do u want to use hendrik

[trail swift]

oh..i was thinking of terms of above being right to left..yeah that doesn't make sense but it does from their perspective ;q

[safe wave]

idk is he good with athane or should i leave athane in burst

[trail swift]

wait that'd be behind not above

[granite mason]

why dont u use anasta there and use smth in dims

cuz u need a dps in dims

only wutus isnt enough

such as yen

or astar

mulan

or wolise

[fair rapids]

Colter this still good

Also who would be a good swap in for LDV

[proven vault]

Why would you take LDV out ?

[fair rapids]

9f

[proven vault]

Make sense then

[fair rapids]

Don't have him yet tho

[granite mason]

tf is that

[trail swift]

why is this one impossible

[safe wave]

💔

[toxic prawn]

Probably ok to start doing merlin

[fair rapids]

Hmm not anasta or astar or Neva

Ig I don't need Neva atm

[toxic prawn]

Anasta maybe but Merlin is much better than them

[safe wave]

what should i change

[granite mason]

a lot

[proven vault]

Merlin is great

[fair rapids]

Merlin is 4 months away

[toxic prawn]

So is his furn

[fair rapids]

[proven vault]

Maybe not merlin then

[fair rapids]

I got LDV quite fast only month or so

[proven vault]

You have time to get someone else to 9f by the time you get merlin

[toxic prawn]

How about oden

[fair rapids]

[fair rapids]

Abel & alna have more furn

And he has been there since day 1

[toxic prawn]

Just do Merlin, he’s a major boost to the dim team. Him and albedo have been pvp king and queen since their release

[proven vault]

if he's 4 month away from merlin he could get anasta before imo

[fair rapids]

I feel I can slap him on after Silas tho

[safe wave]

scramble to confusing

[toxic prawn]

9f without carding takes longer than you think

[fair rapids]

I haven't carded ldv

It's all rng

I could get them in a week a month a year

[proven vault]

I know, I had the time to build abel and still no 9f solise

[toxic prawn]

Im just saying Anasta astar and nev don’t hit like Merlin. Not even close

[fair rapids]

[toxic prawn]

And dragon you have like 2 9’s after 80 days

[fair rapids]

True

I have 3

Mishka LDV grez

Semi close on Silas and scarlet

And Lucy

Rem
Alna
Abel
Wukong all 3f tho

[toxic prawn]

You’re gonna want 9f on Merlin right away and you’re gonna want cards for your next awk

[proven vault]

Well only two actually since you don't have LDV

[fair rapids]

Alright fair
I'm saving cards for alna/Abel atm

[fair rapids]

I will have him next week

[proven vault]

noice

[fair rapids]

Or maybe 2

Yea he will be nice

And 9f will be huge for campaign

[proven vault]

Still have a 300e60 brrlinda

[indigo quail]

hi i need 3750 shards 4500 cores 120000 poe 5000 baits thanks

[safe wave]

@granite mason is this somewhat better?

[proven vault]

Hi, I need the same thanks

[fair rapids]

How many cards

[proven vault]

7

[fair rapids]

3f Abel good

303e44

From what I've heard

[still heron]

Scrombl

[fair rapids]

Few more to go

[granite mason]

joa in wutus chicken in dims
sonja no 9f hendrik no furn = useless in pvp

[fair rapids]

Scrumble investments talk

[proven vault]

she's doing great rn in TS, so I was thinking of using some cards on rem/emilia rather than abel rn

[fair rapids]

[granite mason]

same with tamrus no 9f

[proven vault]

or finish wolise, she's at 6/9 rn

[fair rapids]

[safe wave]

the stuns are still good

[granite mason]

if u have smth like zaph, eorin, use them for tamrus

or tamrus e60 for silence

[safe wave]

200e0 eorin e+ zaph

[granite mason]

oops

[safe wave]

only 2k red cores

[gaunt marten]

Sfrumbek

[safe wave]

🥲

[gaunt marten]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/974081672972763186/1093269491829461032/trezbedparty.gif

[trail swift]

201 eorin ;q

[granite mason]

haelus in abel

palmer in whane

[safe wave]

haelus no e60

no energy

[proven vault]

I need to Poe hoe a bit now that I have reso 9

[granite mason]

still have the cda buff

[safe wave]

alr

[granite mason]

i need to see ur roster

[toxic prawn]

Dang, that’s a juicy wl for rc 500

[uncut vapor]

Fancy box

[proven vault]

Is it sarcasm ?

[toxic prawn]

No

Everyone in there is super high prio

[proven vault]

Yeah but I should have got them a while ago

like queen for example, vei too if I didn't sg Morael before him

I'm at 410 red furns rn but still feels like I'm missing a lot more

[toxic prawn]

Exactly I’m at 327 and my wl is sad in comparison

[fair rapids]

I'm at 60

[granite mason]

skreg for sonja
rosa for hendrik

[safe wave]

alright, thx

[trail swift]

damn im at 256 red

i am furn bankrupt

[proven vault]

what's your wl

[trail swift]

but almost all of that is strong/meta heroes, not old account stuff

[proven vault]

time to poe hoe then

[trail swift]

i have been a bit

[indigo quail]

:poe:

[trail swift]

went almost all poe last exchange

but damn i need rc too

[safe wave]

is lion good for athane?

[indigo quail]

yes but usually u want lion on dims

[safe wave]

so owl on athane?

[indigo quail]

yeah

[proven vault]

if you run wutus dims you run talismane tho

[trail swift]

y

i keep lion wherever bootus go

tali usually wherever lucy go ;q

[indigo quail]

im 161

[safe wave]

312 red furn with 2 juicy red furn

[fair rapids]

Can I get a second oppnion on bait tricking RCL for Abel

And doing Tali>lion

[trail swift]

my wl atm

[indigo quail]

still need to finish a lot

[toxic prawn]

It’s literally get as many pets as you want without hitting 6res, then all the extra turn into spice

[trail swift]

my vei still has 0 furn at m+...and abel 1 furn..

[uncut vapor]

Lvl 9 tali?

[trail swift]

they're gonna be ascended way before 9f :[

[fair rapids]

Yea but should I do that for rock while I get moth for reso 6

So I can then rush rock 9

[toxic prawn]

Just depends on how much spice you want, rushing rock9 is fine. Just get moth 1 away from 6 then put non-res pets in the wl till you have enough

[fair rapids]

Is this worth to do

I've heard various things

Was getting opinions

[toxic prawn]

It’s fine at res6 I would say, res9 and 12 are more important though

[indigo quail]

if you want to why not

[fair rapids]

I was just seeing if there were any clear pro/cons

I'll do it thx

[indigo quail]

i can give you pros

and i can give you cons

[fair rapids]

[toxic prawn]

The only con is delaying res6

[indigo quail]

i can advice you to do it and not do it at the same time

[fair rapids]

Which is not to important right

[toxic prawn]

Exactly

[indigo quail]

to make you feel confused and dont know what to do

[fair rapids]

myu is evil

[indigo quail]