treasure-scramble

[zinc canyon]

food

[gilded salmon]

just drink water

[quartz salmon]

I eat 3800 kcal per day

[dapper lance]

sorry i lied

[quartz salmon]

Very far from that

[sour jay]

24 for 14, 60 for 10, what's the difference

[dapper lance]

but $0.58 USD per meal is cheap af

[lapis moth]

wtf

[dapper lance]

you get a dozen eggs and you're set for the week

[quartz salmon]

Im telling you

Rice pasta chicken brrrrr

[sour jay]

https://tenor.com/view/gaston-beauty-and-the-beast-disney-animated-juggling-gif-3544349

[lapis moth]

there are hungry kids in africa sir

leave some for them

[dapper lance]

advanced whale strats

eat like poor college student

[quartz salmon]

Are you contributing to the hungry in Africa?

[sour jay]

my friend is a powerlifter and all he eats are eggs, egg white (raw), chicken and rice

[quartz salmon]

Well that are what I’m doing, I just eat for 2 persons

Become gym

[dapper lance]

vip13 soon friend

"wow you lost weight"

thanks afk arena

[quartz salmon]

I want to gain weight sir

[dapper lance]

load up on carbs

rice is cheap af

[quartz salmon]

For me it’s « I stopped smoking » thanks afk arena

[sour jay]

rice and beans is my goto

[dapper lance]

owo

congrats legit achievement

[sour jay]

cheap, filling, healthy

[quartz salmon]

Im lying I was forced to

[gaunt marten]

My blood pressure is spiking looking at this

[sour jay]

your blood just becomes salt

[gaunt marten]

So much salt

[dapper lance]

msg is the secret spice whales have

[gaunt marten]

Eggs are like 6 or 7$ here

[dapper lance]

lemme check mine

[zinc canyon]

that is cheap, can you send package

[gaunt marten]

I like this one Korean ramen it is kimchi flavor

[dapper lance]

god dam dozen for $4 usd

[quartz salmon]

We are gonna get /summon ~ ~ ~ lightning guys we should move to off topic

[gaunt marten]

🥹

[dapper lance]

i havent gone grocery in awhile

works feeds me

[gaunt marten]

I just take food from the kitchen at work if I'm doing overnight

I'll take a sandwich

[zinc canyon]

they did go up quite a bit everywhere

and all the chicken places burning down

[quartz salmon]

You live in America? Go see gabe

[dapper lance]

yah i think my mom sent me a text, same dozen was like $17 for 2 weeks

[main abyss]

pet trez from me if you visit gabe

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/441477431501783062/1093566515757994005/Project_3.gif

[quartz salmon]

Me too me too

[dapper lance]

cup noodle egg meta for instant TS results

[gaunt marten]

He doesn't like pets

He will climb on you but no pets

He's weird

He's wehing rn

[main abyss]

ah true i forgot

but maaan it would be difficult to resist not to boop his head a little

[dapper lance]

shin ramyun is the goat

its my emergency food haha

[gaunt marten]

Oh yeah I have that too but too salty

I dump out half the packet

[main abyss]

[gaunt marten]

We're on topic

How to save money so you can whale ts

[quartz salmon]

I legit cook 1.75kg of pasta on Sunday nights to eat for lunch for the week, then improvise diner when I get home

Pasta every lunch slaps fr

[gaunt marten]

I would fall asleep from carbs

[main abyss]

pretty sure i would get tired of eating so much pasta

[quartz salmon]

I cook semi whole pasta, I don’t get sleepy after

[main abyss]

after cooking or after eating?

[quartz salmon]

Lol

I only cook semi whole cause I would sleep in class instead

More proteins aswell

[dawn tinsel]

Shin Ramyun + Indomie Goreng + this Korean 2x spicy chicken ramen (don’t know the name) got me through my PhD!

[solid monolith]

i'm literally never going to asking for anything for you guys ever again

I want you to know that

[dawn tinsel]

Eggs or cheese in the spicy Korean one though - else too spicy for me.

[quartz salmon]

« It was gabe I swear »

[main abyss]

but scrombl is over jappy so we are just trying to survive here

[solid monolith]

i dont care

[gaunt marten]

No scrimbke

[main abyss]

[gaunt marten]

Where srumnle

[main abyss]

it is hiding because zappy is scary

[storm moth]

what did i do zappy

[gaunt marten]

Zappy isn't scary

He's just perpetually disappointed in us

I'm the only one who's had zappy nightmares anyways

Well nightmare it was 1 time

I hope mae is op in red season

Blease

[storm moth]

gabe follow me

[dapper lance]

I need rocklizard12 to fulfill my belinda dreams

[restive goblet]

Like every single awakened since ezizh is good next buff

Even talene tbh

[gaunt marten]

Why

[storm moth]

i want 100 follows

[gaunt marten]

I don't even have 100

Unloved

[storm moth]

[dawn tinsel]

What's the recommended non-whale lvl 12 priority for pets? I'm very close to my reso 9.

Shortlist are Blade, Talis, Moth, Rock. Maybe the new candy pet, not sure. Thoughts?

[indigo quail]

[dapper lance]

I originally had in mind winged talis moth

oh

winged talis blade

for 12

[misty epoch]

No lion?

Imo blade > talis > moth > rock

That's my order fwiw

[dawn tinsel]

Lion perma wl. He's at 13 now. This is for remaining two slots.

[misty epoch]

I see

[indigo quail]

No owl?

[dapper lance]

no lion, i think chasing reso is more valuable especially for TS/CR and now NC

[dawn tinsel]

Not sure about owl's prio - what @misty epoch said is similar to what I had in mind. Do you think owl comes higher?

[misty epoch]

Lion should sitll be perma wl regardless imo

[dapper lance]

@dawn tinsel wait what level is your winged lion?

i assumed it was 12....

[misty epoch]

It helps overcoming pcap in campaign too

[dapper lance]

hm thats fair

[dawn tinsel]

13 with 2 copies. Halfway to 15 which makes it hard for me to stop 😅 I like having one big pet for campaign and tower pcap though. And some single bosses.

[misty epoch]

Also having 1 big pet for 1 of 6 rounds in CR/NC could be important

Especially if it's high damage round

[dapper lance]

Alright I guess we're tryhards in this channel LOL

[dapper lance]

winged lion
blade ridge
talismane

[misty epoch]

Can't tryhard with no scrumple

🥹

[dapper lance]

rock 9 to rock 12 wasnt a life changing experience like rock 6 to rock 9 was @dawn tinsel

it definitely helped my wr though for sure

[dawn tinsel]

Very similar to what I had in mind, thanks for reinforcing / confirming! Looks like besides the debatable "should I prio reso 12 over Lion 15/18", @dapper lance agrees too 🙂

[dawn tinsel]

Makes sense - although I'm in freegion 39, so maybe Rock 12 will not make a huge difference to me.

[misty epoch]

Personally I would put owl before rock even

Lvl 12 owl vs lvl 12 rock that is

[indigo quail]

I'd put owl 2nd/3rd prio tbh
Because hes used in almost every boss

[dawn tinsel]

His 12 doesn't help much with bossing though.

[dapper lance]

talis12 shield iirc

[indigo quail]

Stats & duration buffs

[dawn tinsel]

Owl's not a bad 12, but feels like more of a campaign improvement to me. At least on paper. Buff/debuff duration increase, and freeze = helpful for CC comps in campaign, but not sure if huge elsewhere.

[dapper lance]

not shield, talis negates fatal damage at 12

i think thats a lot of utility over owl for ts

here's my six; i put souffle for the ship (my only justification over moth)

[restive goblet]

I did not know what to pick, but my order to lvl 12 is/was winged lion with spices and then blade/owl/ice cream monster on wishlist. The last two will probably be talismane and rock

[dawn tinsel]

Makes sense. I'll probably go Blade > Talis > Moth > Rock > Owl for now, but by the time I work through this list, there will likely be newer shiny pets higher up.

[restive goblet]

but idk how any of them are because none of them are 12 yet except lion

[indigo quail]

[dapper lance]

rock12 is my bby

[indigo quail]

btw do you have the animated lion avatar

Or its limited

[dapper lance]

no wtf its limited

[indigo quail]

[dawn tinsel]

Rem -> Sonja furn wl swap makes sense?

[trail swift]

this is certified whale

[dapper lance]

@misty epoch @indigo quail Should I stop telling people to prioritize resonance? I think it's viable for non-sweaty tryhards, but I'll stop talking about it if it actually is detrimental

[dapper lance]

yes

[trail swift]

anyone saying not to prioritize multi beast in a game where everything that matters is multiteam is a weirdo + stinky

[dapper lance]

no u

[indigo quail]

Resonance >>>
Only lion 12 over reso 9 cuz lion 12 op

[dapper lance]

They had solid points to focus Lion though

[dapper lance]

This makes sense

[dawn tinsel]

I don't think it's a very obvious choice either way. Lion 15/18, and reso 12 are both long journeys anyway. Personally, I like having one big pet for all the reasons @misty epoch mentioned, but there will be a middle period where I will have a disadvantage in TS/NC compared to other competitive people in my region in TS and NC if they prioritized reso 12 first.

Not clear if the benefits I would get before and after that period would outweigh this.

[trail swift]

i’m an expert in the field of beastiologu

y

[gaunt marten]

Pet rc is good

[dawn tinsel]

Cool

[gaunt marten]

I don't understand who would say otherwise

[dapper lance]

I guess it's a difference in opinion at the end of the day

I still think resonance is better for majority of players

[gaunt marten]

On one hand most elite pets don't do much at 6 rc

[dapper lance]

Maybe its chase lion 12 first, THEN resonance like what Myu said

I could jive with this

[gaunt marten]

On the other it really hurts having to use one big pet and then a couple orbs and then like sad elites for ts

[dapper lance]

Balls, just say it

[gaunt marten]

Orbs funnier to me

[dapper lance]

[trail swift]

white ball still op

[gaunt marten]

Boll

[dapper lance]

Boll

[trail swift]

who will the first awakened beast / legendary beast be 🤔

[dapper lance]

[gaunt marten]

I hope the servers explode before then

[dapper lance]

ok

chase owl 3
chase talismane 3
chase lion 9
do reso 6
chase lion 12
do reso 9
do reso 12
chase lion 18

this will be my advice to new players starting now

[gaunt marten]

12 rc so far away

For sane people

Not me

[dapper lance]

hmm

ok

chase owl 3
chase talismane 3
chase lion 9
do reso 6
do reso 9
chase lion 12
do reso 12
chase lion 18

this will be my advice to new players starting now

modified because youre right; reso 6 kinda mid lol

shit idk....

someone have thoughts?

[restive goblet]

Awakened obsidian finch

released soon after regular obsidian finch

We need more talenes

[dawn tinsel]

Gintama.

[dapper lance]

Don't derail chat; I was finally part of the group that got in trouble

So now I have a vested interest

[dawn tinsel]

What's the difference b/w "do" and "chase"? Chase = use spice aggressively, whereas, for "do" it's use spice wisely, sometimes saving for the next big thing?

[dapper lance]

yes use spice aggressively for chase; do is passive until chase is done; do becomes aggressive after chase

oh i see your point

sec

[dawn tinsel]

Maybe minor asterisk on the "do reso 12, chase lion 18" part - if they ask questions, then can add disclaimer that there are some people who like prioritizing one slot for Lion.

Even within the Lion perma-wl bucket, there could be people who save spice for reso 12 vs those would use the spice for Lion 15/18. I haven't decided where I fall within those options myself yet.

[dapper lance]

do owl 3
do talismane 3
do lion 6
chase lion 9
do reso 6
do reso 9
chase lion 12
do reso 12

[trail swift]

you're kinda always 'chasing' lion since he's permanent wishlist doe

[dawn tinsel]

Or maybe the asterisk can just be that if you've crossed reso 9 and Lion 12, by now you should be more knowledgeable, aware of the pros and cons, and able to make an informed decision about the two options.

[dawn tinsel]

Oh that's the whole debate here for the last two options - @dapper lance + others are suggesting Lion off wl after 12, in favor of faster reso 12. Which has its merits.

[trail swift]

ohh

[dapper lance]

do owl 3
do talismane 3
do lion 6
chase lion 9
do reso 6
do reso 9

[trail swift]

i'll have to decide that in 2 years when i get there

🤓

[dapper lance]

after reso9 should be a good point to discuss based on box and goals

also simpler to look at haha

now that you brought it up, most players probably wont be playing anyway by the time reso9 becomes a concern

[dawn tinsel]

[trail swift]

yep

though lilith does tend to increase resource availability as a new system gets older

[dawn tinsel]

And if anyone with reso 9 + lion 12 asks "what do I do next", I'm just going to say "I + some others personally are doing X, but there are a lot of others who prefer Y. Both options are good, have pros and cons, and no clear consensus / agreement."

[dapper lance]

That's exactly how I frame my response haha

Been roasted in this server quite a few times a few months ago

"Here's what people are generally doing, but here's what I'm doing" and then provide reasoning

[sour jay]

Ppl get very fixed in current meta and refuse to adapt

[restive goblet]

https://tenor.com/view/fantasy-football-gif-20301294

[dawn tinsel]

Yup! Safe, defensible, educational.

[restive goblet]

Just inverse what other people on discord are doing

[sour jay]

Build walker and ulmus, got it

[dapper lance]

[dawn tinsel]

Oh yeah, some things like this are no brainers. Don’t need any disclaimers / caveats.

[sour jay]

Walker is worth building so when you beat people with him in pvp you can flex

[gaunt marten]

Nah just use dreaf

[sour jay]

dreaf is stronger than walker tho

less of a flex

[gaunt marten]

I get yelled at for saying what I'm doing when I'm just talking and not like. Telling everyone they should play like me

And also ppl assume I don't look at what other ppl are running

I look in every fucking region but

Whatever

I gave up trying to appeal to everyone

[sour jay]

too busy kissing treznor to follow meta /s

[gaunt marten]

Fr

I turned r32 into trez kisser region

[dapper lance]

I've lurked here enough to know you actively disclaim what you do

I feel like when you say you whaled how you like, people focus on the "whale" and not the "how you like"

Low IQ assumption people have

[gaunt marten]

Suddenly trez baden now

I have found some interesting stuff that works for other ppl but mostly I couch my advice in either "I have observed this thing and it works or doesn't work" or "I have done this and maybe it will work"

[dapper lance]

Yes exactly

Active disclaimers

[sour jay]

1 issue with pets specifically is they take so fking long to build so it's hard to really test what is actually optimal

[gaunt marten]

Even ts advice is highly dependent on so many fucking variables even with meta slaves

I copy meta slaves from a different region and bracket and I get fucked

Each region is basically its own ecosystem

If you're not paying attention to what everyone else is doing and just reading a random guide you won't do as well

[dapper lance]

[gaunt marten]

Even just making sure your abaden is in the pos diagonally from enemy alna instead of facing her improves your wr

Most ppl in each region will slot their abaden and alna a certain way

I just try not to mirror it

[dapper lance]

Damn TIL

[gaunt marten]

It worked for me

[dapper lance]

Will have to try when Baden is up and running

[gaunt marten]

Bc I had baden in pos 1 but everyone was putting alna there

I moved him to pos 2 and he stopped losing to other alna badens

That was before bel started stealing alna though

There's so much to worry about

Edwin is fun but I'm not telling ppl to build him

[solid monolith]

im carding edwin 9f

[gaunt marten]

Bappy blease

[solid monolith]

gabe told me to

[gaunt marten]

🥹

At least salsa and yuu stopped running around telling them I told them to build shit

[indigo quail]

[solid monolith]

jk i never have furn cards

[onyx ridge]

What's your opinion on 9f si30 Kendrick?

[solid monolith]

[gaunt marten]

I have 1

[gilded salmon]

HUH?

[indigo quail]

my opinion
lion 12
reso 9
reso+++
simple

[dapper lance]

pog

apprentive approved

[dapper lance]

oh

still pog

[storm moth]

someone gib baits

[gaunt marten]

My 203 hendrik does what he needs which is keep athane from dying in ice buff he doesn't really need anything else

I don't even use him most of the time cause I have better options he's aggressively mid in ts

You probably have better stuff to 30 and furn

[indigo quail]

1000 poe 1 bait deal

[storm moth]

1 poe 1000 bait

[gaunt marten]

Tf are yall talking about

[gaunt marten]

I'm biting you

[storm moth]

ym idk

[dapper lance]

Derailing incoming

Time to dip

[gaunt marten]

No we're on topic

I'm trying

[onyx ridge]

Ok I'll just e60 him then 😁

[gaunt marten]

[solid monolith]

someone hacked me and used my furn cards on mulan

well

furn card

[storm moth]

why

[gaunt marten]

Lmao real whale move

[dapper lance]

[solid monolith]

all 1 of them

[onyx ridge]

He becomes friggin INVULNERABLE

For 3 secs

Lol

[dapper lance]

restart account

no way to recover

[solid monolith]

cause she was just sitting there at 8f and i have poor impulse control

[dapper lance]

[gaunt marten]

I see fat hendrik used more in my bracket just bc most are either old accounts or whales or both

But he doesn't need to be fat

[storm moth]

i have 6 cards

[storm moth]

bappy do you like my pfp in game

[dapper lance]

i have 3 going straight to rem in 7 hours

[gaunt marten]

Especially when athane can basically make cardboard and duct tape work as a team

You whay

Oh furn

[dapper lance]

[gaunt marten]

That was an indecipherable sentence

[solid monolith]

yes

[gaunt marten]

Not bad to card tho

[storm moth]

are they actually good from their skills?

[gaunt marten]

Her best debuff is red

[storm moth]

i didnt read it

[gaunt marten]

The skills look good the videos look questionable

[dapper lance]

immunity 1 per ally

[gaunt marten]

I'm waiting to see how they do in ts

[dapper lance]

ah fair

[solid monolith]

its okay, a few weeks from now my tamrus will be 8f and I will be sad

[storm moth]

for how long

[dapper lance]

maybe i'll wait before card

[solid monolith]

but until then

I will be happy

[dapper lance]

0.5 seconds LOL

[solid monolith]

[storm moth]

bruh

[dapper lance]

its a oh shit dont die right now type of thing

[storm moth]

imagine no built tamrus

[gaunt marten]

I keep using cards on nev to get her to 36f if that makes your choice feel better

Shooting myself in the foot but whatever

[solid monolith]

i dont have to imagine it

[storm moth]

[gaunt marten]

Welcome to my twisted reality

M tamrus

[storm moth]

monke op

build

[gaunt marten]

I'm fucking trhing

[storm moth]

did you try to try harder

[gaunt marten]

Just a few more

Then I can quit

Athane at 96/100 engraving

[gaunt marten]

Yes

[gilded salmon]

maybe if you didn't spend all your diamonds on roamer deals

[gaunt marten]

No I haven't gotten anything but poe recently

I get so many reds I don't really need it

I get a 30si done about every week and a half

[storm moth]

[gaunt marten]

POG

[indigo quail]

[storm moth]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/974081672972763186/1074078793934839949/756572285271408672.gif

[trail swift]

pepe is so handsome

[restive goblet]

Is there a cd because 4 barricades in one skill that also gives energy seems a little imbalanced

[dapper lance]

No cd from what I saw

The only limitation is once per hero

3f and 9f

[restive goblet]

that’s so pog for temporal

and pvp probably

[dapper lance]

10000%

[granite mason]

[low iron]

Curious what happens if there's a teamwide aoe, like from aBelinda, if her skill still activates or not when Rem dies alongside party members.

And hopefully it doesn't rely on Healing Mana's cooldown as far as receive the effects goes.

[dapper lance]

I think that was the debate I saw earlier in the secret channel

The skill itself looks ridiculously broken at face value

[low iron]

Right.

[granite mason]

Depend on who dies first I think.

[restive goblet]

For aoe that hits everyone at once, characters die in slot order

[granite mason]

[low iron]

Yeah, so if she's slotted last or what have you, does it activate when she's already tagged as dying?

[granite mason]

I thought it depends on how far they are from the caster

[restive goblet]

The wording looks similar to Alna’s SI, which activates completely separately from the normal skill’s cooldown

[low iron]

Right-right. Although sometimes things are weird in game, so hoping it doesn't depend on an internal cooldown or anything.

[restive goblet]

lol I wonder if hendrik could save her and then be saved by her against one ainz ult killing them both

if she was slot 3 and hendrik was 4 or 5

[trail swift]

rem sounds op ngl

nerf abel

[restive goblet]

What about the Emilia’s “freeze all enemies” skill?

[low iron]

16s cooldown.

[restive goblet]

oh ok

when is the first cast?

[gilded salmon]

almost instantly

[low iron]

Looks like the first skill she uses after ulting at the start.

Ult -> freeze -> heal-zone -> auto-attacks -> heal-zone -> freeze -> auto-attacks

[trim ferry]

[dapper lance]

I am floored by the fact that these waifus look extremely good on paper (in the literal and figurative sense)

[sour jay]

🔞

Probably, I never watched the show

[misty epoch]

I think it really comes down to given player's goal and focus, the golden middle ground imo is lion 12/15 and reso 9, while doing the spice trick, just because reso 6 is not very valuable

[restive goblet]

Emilia raku gonna be a thing?

[low iron]

Depends - would she replace LDV? If not, where would you place her - frontline to suicide bomb?

She's not as reliable in long fights because her cc doesn't last nearly as long or consecutively and she feeds Raku energy, but she also gives him haste and heals him. She'll tag everyone at the start while Raku is eating his orange, so he can get a few shots in but not reliably through the fight if they survive that.

[dapper lance]

Had a talk earlier with a rando in #classic-questions

I don't think it's worth it for a new player to do that reso trick; you'd be stalling for far too long, especially when someone else in a new region triggers without second thought

The discussion devolved to me concluding that reso9 is the goal a majority of players should have

Case-by-case basis after reso9 based on player goals

[trail swift]

bruh i fkn swear if LDV gets replaced right after i built him -_-

[dapper lance]

It's more diversity lol

Now you can have LDV somewhere else if Emilia works as a sub

I'm for it

[trail swift]

though ldv can literally chainstun permalock so probably not as likely

at least not for ldv campaign cheez

[celest canyon]

how much does zolrath need to be build for ts? 30930?

[dapper lance]

Ice-themed meta: geralt khaz emilia yen albedo

idk who 5th albedo felt right lol

[trail swift]

309e67 🤓

and then he'll get outdamaged by a 000 mulan

[dapper lance]

309e4x i forget the nodes

[celest canyon]

alright i'll figure it out xD

[storm moth]

pcap is so stupid

[sour jay]

Why shouldn't we be allowed to thoran cheese 1000 lvl deficit

[storm moth]

no i hate thoran cheese

abel cheese much better

[low iron]

Honestly, kind of disappointed that Emilia looks to have much more limited CC than her sheet gave the impression of. She freezes at the start for 2s but it takes 3 hits of her ultimate to freeze after and her ice flower cooldown is so long and her passive doesn't actually cc on top.

I guess it depends on how quickly her ultimate is able to freeze but it seems unreliable from the initial preview. At least she heals and energy batteries - hopefully her passive buffs to freeze affect other heroes who apply it.

[sour jay]

abel will eventually fall off at 800 deficit, can't kill

thoran will still kill

[misty epoch]

For spenders, reso trick is worth it imo but as a f2p it would be tough to save up enough bait for reso 9 straight away. I do agree though that all players should aim for reso 9.

[trim ferry]

choerry was bad guy and didn't tell me to do reso trick 😭 lion was delayed by a whole week

[storm moth]

she can dw :copium:

[dapper lance]

bro i didnt realize you were going to be such a swiper lmao

we only just started talking about belinda

and now you have brutus solise belinda done + baden almost done

[misty epoch]

[dapper lance]

This guy is less than 5 weeks

[trim ferry]

[misty epoch]

5 weeks 4 wokes

[trim ferry]

he knows my woke rng not my fault

[dapper lance]

||he's your guildie btw||

[misty epoch]

I hope your wallet can handle it

[misty epoch]

Really?

Wooaaah

[trim ferry]

i've used way less than people think

[dapper lance]

yeah haha

[misty epoch]

Can we be friends?

[dapper lance]

@trim ferry ^

uwu

[trim ferry]

idk why people follow/look at my formations. I iz bad but sure i can make space haha

[solid monolith]

are people spreading kraken energy in here

[misty epoch]

Yeeeey

Come get some Zappy

[trim ferry]

🤏 🐳 energy

[dapper lance]

I feel like kraken energy is a given for TS chat

ngl

[solid monolith]

only f2p energy

[misty epoch]

We're all f2p here, aren't we?

[trim ferry]

[dapper lance]

don't ask don't tell

[sour jay]

very f2p

[trim ferry]

church of raku f2p

[sour jay]

we're a ministry not a church

[trim ferry]

semantics

[sour jay]

don't look too deep into the ministry though or you may get sucked into the cult of raku

[misty epoch]

@clever creek

[lapis moth]

does flora even do anything there

[misty epoch]

Dodge Atha + healing

[lapis moth]

also si30 fish

kraken

[misty epoch]

No u

[lapis moth]

[misty epoch]

As a chef, I know how to appreciate a good fish

[restive goblet]

Imagine not building for temporal rift

[trim ferry]

krakens also appreciate a good fish

[misty epoch]

You're not wrong there

[storm moth]

4 more stages

[lapis moth]

change name to kraken hoe when

[misty epoch]

[storm moth]

not for 4420

but for ch44 for me

smh

[misty epoch]

Oh

Last multi is free af

[storm moth]

first i have to fight pcap on singles

and beat -56

so 5 stages ig

and -56 doesnt look fun

[dawn tinsel]

She’s not GB though. What gives?

[dapper lance]

she's graveborn-adjacent

via baden

[dawn tinsel]

Hmm not buying it. That argument could be extended to a lot of heroes (eg Wolise, Alna).

I’m sensing a hidden non-GB simpness that Gabe is not proud enough to admit.

[trail swift]

nevanthi is the beautiful tree that grew from the corpose-laden soil of the graveborn homeland

[restive goblet]

Nevanthi is a main character in Abaden’s awakening story

[raven lark]

@dawn tinsel have u tried ur abel comp without rock crown lizard 9

or do u even have rock 9

[dapper lance]

My meme-adjacent response was actually genuine

It was in his lore

[dawn tinsel]

Don't have Rock 9 yet. In Ice, Baelinda still worked without Rock/Alna. In other debuffs, I plan to run her with Alna.

[dawn tinsel]

Ohh! TIL.

[raven lark]

oh seems like she works well in r39 with not much investment on the comp itself

if only i could get the final copy of her

[dawn tinsel]

This is of course with the big caveat that we are r39. Don’t know if it will work in other regions, or for how long it will work in ours… this is last round t50 wr.

[dawn tinsel]

Here, mine was 309e67, full t4 gear.

[raven lark]

bro ive been trying to single pull her for the past 2 weeks everyday

trying to get the last copy

😭

[indigo quail]

[dawn tinsel]

Ouch, that's rough 😦

[raven lark]

cant even place higher than 1% anymore

im so down bad

[indigo quail]

@dapper lance astar cycle or abel cycle

[dawn tinsel]

Baelinda should make a huge difference to that.

[raven lark]

yeah i can pretty much 309e60 her right away

after 1 copy

[raven lark]

u think raines better than rosaline in that comp?

[dapper lance]

astar cycle

bel backline or alna

[indigo quail]

Alna 4f rn
209e36 astar vs M si10 abel maybe I can get her si30 when 4 team starts

[lapis moth]

[dapper lance]

astar cycle

who 5th? jw

[indigo quail]

Last cycle is wolise

[dapper lance]

what was the wr

[indigo quail]

not wolise, L atalene in 7 teams iirc

[dapper lance]

sounds good ngl

[indigo quail]

.

[dapper lance]

2lene

dam thats a solid wr

[indigo quail]

57% hmm

[dapper lance]

you should build my teams kk

[indigo quail]

use portal party

[dapper lance]

you know what

fine

i will

[indigo quail]

[dapper lance]

t7 quote me

i'll switch off if i am about to get demoted tho

[indigo quail]

[dapper lance]

I'm a tool

[trim ferry]

[dapper lance]

[indigo quail]

gib me some energy buff hero

[dapper lance]

rem

wait no emilia

[indigo quail]

Split them on scarlet mishka, astar, abel and wolise

They all need energy

[dapper lance]

[trim ferry]

will my M waden be usable this cycle since multihit lol? 😄

[dapper lance]

I'll use first round

What is the comp?

[gilded salmon]

is baden good at multihit? I thought his clone didnt count

[trim ferry]

idk that's why i'm asking

[indigo quail]

Oden pippa + 3 heroes

[lapis moth]

wym don't count

he has aoe he's good yes

[indigo quail]

Maybe

[trim ferry]

maybe my t6/7 won't be as brutally bad then...

granted it was way better with @indigo quail help than my nonsense throw them together strategy

[indigo quail]

But he needs alna

[trim ferry]

okay. maybe i build him out in 2 days

[indigo quail]

[lapis moth]

[gilded salmon]

oh I didn't know aoe counted too, this is the weirdest debuff

[gilded salmon]

As in his clones hitting things dont count towards the multihit buff

[trim ferry]

don't worry it's not happening. would need to throw too much at it to make it happen 😄

[lapis moth]

i see

[lapis moth]

@indigo quail can gib kraken tips from personal experience

[indigo quail]

no u

[trim ferry]

myu got me to t10 on day 10 in ice

[lapis moth]

myu #1 kraken

[trim ferry]

myu #1 senpai

@indigo quail speaking of, since choerry said give him time. would the last teams we made work for this debuff with minimal adjustments? 😄

[dawn tinsel]

Yes, Raine >> Rosa in TS in general, and definitely way better for Baelinda.
Edit: Assuming Baelinda is your highest CBR hero. Some people have a problem if they have high invest + stars on Palmer.

[indigo quail]

nope

[trim ferry]

https://tenor.com/view/south-park-eric-cartman-god-fucking-damnit-god-damn-it-pissed-gif-5412135

[indigo quail]

Teams for each debuff are different

[raven lark]

oh alr thanks

[indigo quail]

gib emblems

[lapis moth]

🐙

[indigo quail]

[dapper lance]

cool thanks

[lapis moth]

tbh I used like 30 hcp pulls yesterday just to get some emblems for eorin

from the tavern chests

[indigo quail]

Hello my lovely donator, would you mind funding me 5 more abel copies?

[dapper lance]

never have i seen a more first world comment in my life than now

[dapper lance]

[gilded salmon]

small brain move, should've done timegazer pulls for emblems instead

[lapis moth]

Hello my lovely donator, would you mind funding me 5 more mae copies?

[dapper lance]

@lapis moth @indigo quail fight to the death winner gets positive vibes

[indigo quail]

[lapis moth]

sir I can't win against a kraken like myu

[dapper lance]

[indigo quail]

me vip9

u vip13

[lapis moth]

[dawn tinsel]

[indigo quail]

f2p

[lapis moth]

wolise engrave when

[dapper lance]

this looks oddly nsfw

poor solise

[indigo quail]

309e61 now

lovely solise

[lapis moth]

[dapper lance]

uwu

[lapis moth]

gib tips flora lb tower

[dapper lance]

[gilded salmon]

wait a second

I see through your games

[lapis moth]

[indigo quail]

[lapis moth]

is this photoshopped

[gilded salmon]

look at rc level

[lapis moth]

myu kraken

[indigo quail]

no

its old

not psed

[storm moth]

skrumple

[gilded salmon]

2 more days

[storm moth]

gib tips 43-56-3

[dapper lance]

-16

you're welcome

[gilded salmon]

5* eye is basically a campaign only thing right? I hate wasting exchange event mats on these dumb chests I don't wanna get it

[storm moth]

[storm moth]

its for everything that uses artis

[obtuse mauve]

Kinda important for TR

[gilded salmon]

ah damn i didnt know tr had artis

[dapper lance]

realm yes
rift no

[gilded salmon]

yeah

[lapis moth]

lb tower best tower

[indigo quail]

[lapis moth]

[dapper lance]

collateral damage

[obtuse mauve]

How things change... Before scarlet lb was the absolute worst. I even built morrow 203 as a carry back then

[dawn tinsel]

Whane makes tower look like a joke. Baelinda still needs supports...

Mauler tower seems awful though - I'm having a hard time climbing even with Wutus merc. Stuck in early 2-battles.

[gilded salmon]

at least all the good belinda supports are lightbearers haha

[dapper lance]

dont say this im already on edge about thane and baden

[dawn tinsel]

https://tenor.com/view/palpatine-star-wars-emperor-do-it-go-for-it-gif-17446081

Waden easier to merc too. Can't merc a Whane for TS

[restive goblet]

I think for tower, Abel > Scarlet > Athane

Belinda is like so good it makes me laugh

at the deficits that are possible below power cap she just explodes everything

[onyx ridge]

Yeah I'm stuck at 3 teams with Wutus. Meanwhile A Thane can solo entire teams

[dawn tinsel]

Really? Maybe it's a "grass is greener" thing. I feel like climbing with ABel + Scarlet is hard, because they both want similar supports.

I feel LB tower is easy with:
Team 1: ABel/Scar + best supports
Team 2: Whane + leftovers

[dawn tinsel]

Definitely agree with this. But she still needs the right supports.

[still heron]

AwBelinda > AwThane > Scarlet

[restive goblet]

When I pushed to power cap I used scarlet + thane as a team and Belinda as a team about 80% of the time probably

[dawn tinsel]

My point is that you could probably remove Scarlet from that picture, and still do fine.

[dapper lance]

Baden > Thane right

[restive goblet]

they’re pretty close I think. You need the stun lock of scarlet sometimes

and you need thane’s burst soemtimes

[still heron]

Yes

[dapper lance]

Thanks

[dawn tinsel]

Build Whane just for tower

[still heron]

Imagine fighting 2 teams in tower

[dapper lance]

satrana is a qt

[carmine shale]

Better to build athane for tower than regular Thane and waste e60

And atleast athane has usage in bosses now lmao

[dapper lance]

[onyx ridge]

In LB tower I usually pair raine palmer and Abelinda, scarlet with rowan sonja and Rosa, a Thane with the leftovers

[dawn tinsel]

Jokes aside, I have Wolise, Baelinda. And if if I had extra to build more wokes, I'd probably do Wutus > Waden > Whane.

I think Waden probably best among these overall, but also feels easier to merc.

Wutus overall feels better in harder to merc modes like campaign and TS. No idea where Maetria falls in this list though.

[dapper lance]

This is literally my itinerary

If two people think alike, it must be correct

[still heron]

Talking about tower

[dawn tinsel]

Especially two extremely smart and good looking people

[dapper lance]

[dapper lance]

gib mae

wait actually can i reserve your mae forever when she's e60

[restive goblet]

I’ve got Brutus, Thane, and Belinda atm because I’m a TS simp

[dapper lance]

[restive goblet]

next is maetria or Solise or Baden

[static bone]

We must be the same person

[still heron]

Shes 309 E60

[dapper lance]

ngl in the back of my head, I keep eyeing solise for thane...

[dapper lance]

May I reserve

Forever

[static bone]

I doing baden next. Hes at myth now. Then im thinking i might skip solise and do materia

[still heron]

Sure

[dapper lance]

thanks

ah rip next week then haha

[restive goblet]

In swapping for Cruke so it does kind of feel like I should do Solise or maetria

[dapper lance]

What is Maetria's common team?

[restive goblet]

Actually he works with Baden too

[static bone]

I also swapped for cruke. See we are the same mind lol.

[restive goblet]

i only ever see her in whale hypo comps but I think I can sub in Skreg and be ok

[static bone]

Everything i use solise for a merc works. She is prob better to take than maetria but again i like me some pvp modes

[dapper lance]

But what is it? Genuinely unknown to me

[restive goblet]

I would do like zol cruke maetria lucretia Skreg or something like that

[dapper lance]

Thank you

[restive goblet]

Maetria + zolrath/cruke/olgath/Framton/ezizh/Aezizh/etc

just all the good hypos basically

[static bone]

Cruke, maetria, mortas, luc, zolrath

[restive goblet]

Oh yeah mortas

[static bone]

Bob was using cruke, framton, mortas, zol and oden in ice debuff and it was working good

[dapper lance]

wr?

[static bone]

The one he posted was 64% on 6 teams

[dapper lance]

whoa that's huge

[static bone]

Yeah it seemed solid. But all of them heros meed good investment

[dapper lance]

I'm sure I could sub Framton

[static bone]

Framton helped clump everyone so cruke and oden could group kill them

Tamrus sub may work

[dapper lance]

Good point

[static bone]

But at some point your robbing heros from other teams so who knows

[dapper lance]

I havent been able to place Tamrus successfully anywhere yet

Except for Random BS

Seems like it'll work

[static bone]

From what ive seen his main function will be a zaph replacement

[dapper lance]

Burst

[static bone]

Yea

[trail swift]

burst, that thing i'll have some day that makes my zol worth having been built

kinda glad someone replaced zaph though lool, i don't think most people would ever get around to building him

well pre-nc anyway

[static bone]

I kept putting him off and now i prob wont make him for the foreseeable future

[trail swift]

it sucks there's kinda cool heroes who will just literally never be built by 99+% of teh playerbase

talene is now one of them lol, and even dropped in ownership recently for obv reasons

[quartz salmon]

Get him 309e30 it’ll become obvious where he fits

[dapper lance]

soon^tm

wait

astar or tamrus or estrilda e30?

i was thinking estrilda tbh

[restive goblet]

yes

that’s a tough one

[dapper lance]

I think my TS is pretty stable, so no need astar... But now it's between estrilda and tamrus

[restive goblet]

estrilda’s effect is better

they’re both used pretty widely so the stats are nice on either though

[dapper lance]

alright i think i'll go with initial instict

thank you

[trim ferry]

bad boy i'm snitchin

[dapper lance]

[low iron]

I've seen some people in t20s when looking through, use e60 Tamrus with aBaden-Alna GB too - as he gathers them all up for Baden's AoEs and his cc procs Baden's passive on top, but not sure how reliable it really is. I saw it used in both Burst and Ice though.

[restive goblet]

why do people use him with thane?

[dawn tinsel]

I did Astar a long time ago - not sure if it made a difference since he kinda gets absorbed into a TS team. Not very obvious to me what the delta was. I still don't have Tamrus/Estrilda.

Takeaway: Absolutely nothing. Just a useless comment from my side because I wanted to be a part of the discussion.

[toxic prawn]

Cc and buffs

[restive goblet]

oh for the the enthusiasm right

mine is still M

[wise lion]

Game mode focus?

[wise lion]

Assuming u mean Tamrus, +Atk%, +Dodge, +MS, and stuns, to either help Thane kill faster or survive

[dapper lance]

NC/CR

I am reasonably confident in TS (stable T20)

[sour jay]

i vote tamrus without any justification, just because jungle boi is cool

[dapper lance]

ily

[dawn tinsel]

I support this reasoning. Game's more fun this way.

[sour jay]

we should do a discord plays afk arena - vote on each investment and whatever gets the most votes gets done

[dawn tinsel]

Love it!!

[indigo quail]

Isnt tamrus engraving just for cr

[sour jay]

listen, did you read what I said or not

[indigo quail]

[wise lion]

Tamrus e30 skill seems weak, but you could justify 33 IS
Est e30 is +atk%, can't really go wrong there (unless mbe overheating in CR)
Astar e30 probs most skippable for NC/CR

[sour jay]

the real reason you tamrus e30 is because you have to do that first to go to e60

[dapper lance]

I was reasonably sure of Estrilda

Thanks for confirming my bias!

[sour jay]

smh

meta slave

[trim ferry]

dragon would mess it up for everyone 🤣

[wise lion]

I don't like the e60 too much for CR, more for pvp imo
Hook only happens once every 16s. It also happens at battle start, so early stun is important in pvp, not for cr

[sour jay]

listen

tamrus is cool

that's my argument

you can't beat it, sorry

[trim ferry]

jungle boy is cool as fuck ngl 😄

[indigo quail]

@granite mason

[wise lion]

You know who's cooler? Khaz

[sour jay]

khaz would be cool if he wasn't an old hero with shitty animations

[wise lion]

Sorry, you're frozen too solid, can't hear your complaints

[sour jay]

actually your khaz got 1 shot so you'll need some other cc

[trail swift]

it's kinda funny how bad some of the older heroes are

[wise lion]

On a serious note, I think Vurk is hella cool. In a world with guns and magic, he took a crossbow and decided to fire 5 shots at a time

[trail swift]

like compare new heroes 9f to older ones lmao. like eironn's is some shitty situational +15% dmg boost

[sour jay]

skriath is just like, move faster in one direction

[trail swift]

gotta go fast(sometimes)

[wise lion]

It's fairly important in pvp tbh. And camp if timeout is an issue

Granted, I might be the only person to still play eironn burst

[dapper lance]

more than just meta bby

also dismal

[trail swift]

he did kinda decent for me in this past blizz in a weird ass eironn raku ldv team

[wise lion]

In the 1.8x dmg burst field, he can oneshot awbrutus into immunity, and zol finishes him

And that was an e80brutus

[restive goblet]

Even some of the original engrave abilities are so shitty lol

like talene

[trail swift]

yeh

even when they're actually kinda good, they're still very basic, compared to 9f's now that are like kit defining additions

not all of them but yeah. new heroes are kinda nuts

[gilded salmon]

TRUE

[sour jay]

it's the power creep

every new hero has to be cooler, and if they aren't they're just dog shit and nobody uses it

[restive goblet]

.

kit defining imo

[trail swift]

lol

kinda nice for countering rangers ig

[sour jay]

yeah he can do his 0 dmg attack with 100% hit chance 😄

tho maybe annoying af in campaign tbh

[trail swift]

he's annoying af in charm i noticed. he always breaks out of it. idk if he has something in his kit that makes him cc-immune

[wise lion]

He has a self cleanse

[sour jay]

yeah cleansing cc heals him or some shit

[dawn tinsel]

Incredibly bad luck from the celestial isles event 🙁 that’s the second time I’ve gone down to the end… bought the $1, and still at level 30…

[restive goblet]

I don’t know if I’ll even make it through 30

2 squares into floor 27

[dawn tinsel]

Ouch.

[sour jay]

happened to me too on 20 and 30, big sad

[trail swift]

i'm close to that rn but ran outta keys so we'll see.. 8 squares left

at least the blank squares themselves are exchange points 😛

[trail swift]

asolise e60 get

307e60

[dawn tinsel]

Any Gourmelee boss teams for 5B damage without Whane?

[trail swift]

i'll go from mercing her every week to mercing palmer heh, my dude only 2f still

i haven't seen one, but haven't looked recently. i just lived with all but 1 reward

[restive goblet]

So is Crassio like mauler Eorin?

[carmine shale]

I honestly don't think he's very good

But different strokes for different folks

[trail swift]

i don't know jack about either of their kits but they both seem to be squishy gapclose assassin types

so yeh? :q

at a glance crassio's ult seems kinda weird..reliant on the teammate who started above him to be alive to make full use of his ult

i noticed he destroys everything in low deficit stuff doe

[restive goblet]

he’s pretty decent in tower yeah

[low iron]

Crassio is convoluted. There are lots of conditionals.

• Crassio pairs himself up with the ally below him, and wants that ally to stay alive. His pair staying alive grants him 50% ATK and he'll grant them 3s of invincibility and 50% of his HP the first time they die. If they die after this, he'll then buff himself for 50% ATK as though they were alive for 6s then loses that benefit.
• Whenever Crassio or his pair take damage more than 20% of Crassio's health, he'll cut the damage by 60% and deal 230% damage to the attacker in retaliation.
• Every 12s that his pair is attacked, he'll teleport to them and kick the enemy back and grant his pair a shield, then use Dagger Dash to his Quarry. If this shield is broken, the enemy is stunned but Crassio has no IS so it never stuns.
• Crassio marks the enemy who has dealt the most damage to his pair as his quarry, through the battle he'll deal an extra 160% damage to them per hit. If his ult hits the Quarry, he'll lower their ATK/Def. If Dagger Dash hits his quarry, he'll deal an extra 10% of their max HP and destroy their shield. If his quarry dies, he gets a free dagger dash and gets 20 CDA.
• Crassio's Ult deals 640% Damage regardless of the state of his pair but how he does so differs depending on if they're alive or not. He either deals 320% around him and 320% around his pair, or he deals 320% around him twice.
• With Dagger Dash, he'll always deal 560% Damage targeting his Quarry, the method differs depending on range.

Crassio does well in boss battles like NC because his SI requires him to hit his quarry 10-30 times to get a 10-30 Crit buff and he'll usually have the 50% ATK self-buff throughout the fight.

[gaunt marten]

I wish he was op for ts

[low iron]

Yeah, it's an interesting idea at least.

[gritty oxide]

Not sure how many keys you get for that purchase. But it's still decent progress. Some of my accounts have not reached 30 yet

[dawn tinsel]

Not a huge number. $1 = 17 keys. Guess I was biased by the terrible floor 20 and 30 attempts. But based on other anecdotal evidence in this channel, seems like I’m not doing terribly.

[gritty oxide]

Yea. They even out eventually. You get afew floors which you instantly progress then you get one which you need to open all the tiles 😂

[dawn tinsel]

[lapis moth]

tamrus prevent zaph tele

[trail swift]

https://www.reddit.com/r/afkarena/comments/12i5s8u/lilith_nerfed_tr_badly/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button

ruh roh

[gaunt marten]

Why tf do ppl still call it tr

It's rift

Yeah rift is fucked now

Pretty mad

Means I'll have to pay to get bait

[trail swift]

regular rewards have been massively downsized:
19K less dust
840 fewer blue stones
180 fewer purple stones
800 fewer silver emblems
600 fewer gold emblems
40 fewer regular scrolls
12 fewer faction scrolls
1120 fewer shards
3200 fewer cores
40 fewer stargazers
40 fewer timegazers
no gear - which is a loss of 12 T4, 16 T3, and 4 T2 chests

bruh

also heard stage 160 (the cap before rewards become pure gold or something) is equivalent to 800, and you need to clear 160 to get just enough currency for 1 awakened copy in store, so most people won't even get that

[restive goblet]

We get the currency from leaderboard rewards every two weeks also so you won’t need to get to 160

not sure what floor you would need though

[trail swift]

ah

that's something at least. idk, if the difficulty is pretty similar, i'll probably hit a wall at 80

i don't want aezizh and already have abrutus so eh (could work on more than 1* tho). the loss of cores is really harsh tho

[gaunt marten]

The gold emblems, Cores and bait fucking hurt for me

I need that stuff

[gaunt marten]

I mean how easy is leaderboard

Is it achievable for most players

[trail swift]

i don't understand what they're thinking. it's not even like you do more rifts, it's 60 days with a 30 day cooldown, so basically the same run time

it's just a straight massive nerf to rewards, when they're releasing more meta heroes than ever it seems

[gaunt marten]

They made it less p2w but less rewards

Way way less

[misty epoch]

Is it less p2w though since now there is leaderboard

So you're actively competing with others for more rewards

Need to be .5% for max rewards iirc

[gaunt marten]

The temporal rewards was arguably worse

[storm moth]

im at 43-60

[gaunt marten]

That's also bad lmao

This sucks

[misty epoch]

0.5% doesn't seem very f2p friendly

[gaunt marten]

It doesn't

[trail swift]

how many regions?

[misty epoch]

Poggies

[trail swift]

or is teh shit global lool

[misty epoch]

@storm moth I am still pushing gourmelee

[storm moth]

why

[misty epoch]

For secret frame

[storm moth]

[misty epoch]

Not copium at all

[gaunt marten]

I never paid attention to leaderboard so idfk how f2p that is

[misty epoch]

I think it's global but they might have changed it

[gaunt marten]

All I know is I was usually high up bc I whale

[misty epoch]

Pretty sure last season it was global thingy

[gaunt marten]

So I'd be at like 800+

If it's global that would be nuts

[misty epoch]

If it's the same ranking I think it is

Last season you could check how you are doing vs other players

For example if you get to floor 600 as soon as it opened then you were ahead of 99% of players

[gaunt marten]

Yeah I remember that

If it's global thats bad

[gritty oxide]

But they didn't have rewards for ranking right? Now it feels like there's another mode which you need to compete in order to get better rewards

[gaunt marten]

I need my MATERIALS

[gritty oxide]

As in these are the level rewards, the newer version has ranking rewards

[gaunt marten]

This is the changes from just doing rift

This sucks

[misty epoch]

Yeah nah, last time no extra rewards for good ranking

But now you actually need to push (even past the last floor) for max rewards?

[gaunt marten]

#temporal-rift message

This sucks

[gritty oxide]

Yea definitely. Even worst if it's global ranking

[gaunt marten]

If global were gonna have to push floors anyways

Floors that only give gold coins

[misty epoch]

@storm moth You have 3x my exp lmao

Kraken fr

[storm moth]

[misty epoch]

Who's rank 1?

[storm moth]

how is 43-60 free

lucy didnt stay alive once for 15 min

and gbs are shit too

[main abyss]

[misty epoch]

Maybe too low cele?

And I did R2 with Oden no gear

Didn't notice until I passed it

Also pets have huge impact

Try switching them and see which ones work the best for you

[storm moth]

i have better pets than you mf

[misty epoch]

Sure, but you could be using wrong pets

[storm moth]

and 77 cele is hood enough

[misty epoch]

107/110 or bust

[granite mason]

3036e80 him no regret

[lapis moth]

[knotty verge]

hmhmhm

new rift rewards looking okay

[sour jay]

what

did you look at it

old vs new

then you get like 40 gazer and 700 red in shop OR a wutus

[sacred notch]

Corporate wants u to tell the difference type beat

[granite mason]

okay

[knotty verge]

I will start building tamrus when I get enough copies of him

kinda hyped. he looks good with a decent roster

[granite mason]

[sour jay]

🐒

[knotty verge]

oooh

I thought it is all new

shit

[granite mason]

main cores income

gone

:zikisangry

[knotty verge]

yeah that sucks so hard

[sour jay]

and t3/t4 stones

[raven lark]

what were they thinking doing that

😭

[sour jay]

bold to assume lilith devs can think

[proven hearth]

@still heron what path you taking this time?

[knotty verge]

this is the new shop and we can get up to 6k, right?

[granite mason]

more than 6k

[raven lark]

wait can u get those 5 time emblems rn

or does it take days

[granite mason]

leaderboard rewards give that coins too

[raven lark]

i need my BELINDA

[sour jay]

you get 6k for finishing it (floor 160 is the "new" 800 it seems), and then up to 2000 more for leaderboard rewards - not yet clear how many f2p/low spender will get

[still heron]

Hmm probably middle

[knotty verge]

20ToT + 20 gazers in total

shit mode

what is this

[raven lark]

awakened ezizh looking juicy there

so many ppl are gonna buy that

[sour jay]

6k it should be 40 ToT + 700 red core OR 1 wutus i think

[low iron]

Boo, Rem has no IS for her knockback and stun so that's a dead skill but at least she gets haste.

[granite mason]

e44 rem e38 emi

[knotty verge]

where do you see 40 ToT

[sour jay]

oh it is only 20 and you have to clear floor 200 to get hte last 10

[knotty verge]

yeah

[sour jay]

which might not be possible except for whales

[knotty verge]

it is 20 ToT + ~21 Gazers for 6k Points already

[sour jay]

also debuffs start in the first stage

event is a lot harder

[obtuse mauve]

Knockbacks usually don't test TY, if I'm not mistaken, so half dead skill, i guess

[knotty verge]

so let's say it is 30 ToT each 3 months

still so bad value compared to the old mode

[sour jay]

i'm most mad about red core

[low iron]

Yeah, knockbacks aren't cc but the stun is useless.

[granite mason]

same

[sour jay]

e60 are so fucking expensive without that

[knotty verge]

I am mad because of everything. we could have gotten the ToT and Gazers out of the 50/100 floor clears already

it's not like ANYTHING is better value

[low iron]

Also, Emilia needs 15 furniture or e80 for IS because she doesn't have a natural IS node and will only have 20 average IS otherwise - her IS nodes are secondary.

Is also kind of weird.

[obtuse mauve]

I think you can focus-buy cores in the store to mitigate the loss a bit it will still hurt a lot

[raven lark]

surely they rework the rewards

[granite mason]

[raven lark]

prob for the worse ngl

[sour jay]

"players didn't like the rewards so we got rid of them"

[raven lark]

💀 💀

[knotty verge]

maybe they thought "hey we added NC but players are getting too many rewards so let's just get rid of rift"

so whales don't need cores and can just compete in NC while others just get nothing

[raven lark]

sounds about lilith

[flat flume]

[proven hearth]

Mmm, untrue. Whales still need cores. Passive acquisition rate is very low and cores are are expensive. ~$200 for 4500 if there isn’t an event deal up

[sour jay]

maybe we can get the whales to rage about trift

lilith listens to whales right

[raven lark]

i got some genius lab mates