treasure-scramble

[indigo quail]

+30 pts in 5 battle

[dapper lance]

rank twins

[still heron]

Damn that sücks

[knotty verge]

soon we will be able to build the new gb and then we can skyrocket in TS while everyone else don't update their teams lmao

[dapper lance]

[lapis moth]

was 18-21 for like 40 fights

[indigo quail]

[lapis moth]

17-18 yesterday

[dapper lance]

ah

[lapis moth]

fuck ts

[knotty verge]

what do you think of hcping vs gazing

[dapper lance]

[lapis moth]

imo hcp is a waste of diamonds most times, so don't do it unless you really have to

[still heron]

I saw it u was always 10-20

[vernal vessel]

Noo fck cr

[knotty verge]

is mortas 200 too op?

[lapis moth]

wouldn't say op but needed everywhere and hard to replace

[knotty verge]

we have to see if the new gb will become high prio or medium prio

[lapis moth]

also don't forget to save like 3k diamonds for abex

[dawn tinsel]

For you in particular or in general? At the risk of stating something obvious - isn’t this very box and stage of game specific?

[knotty verge]

I could build desira to 203 rn but not sure how impactful that is

[lapis moth]

show box

[knotty verge]

yeah sure, I just meant from a midgame pov

[dawn tinsel]

Mine’s 201, on furn wl, but seeing reduced usage for her. If you don’t have furn for her, IMO probably low pri - but if you have furn but no si, maybe worth getting her to si20.

[still heron]

Do u know when abex starts ?

[lapis moth]

3/3 test sever so probably like a week after

[restive goblet]

Is M+20 mortas as important for Waden comps in CR as it was for Kren? Because a lot of waden’s damage comes from his negative heal skill + mortas’ basic skill that heals enemies, while all of Kren’s damage was auto attacks

[knotty verge]

I already got 3f for desira in my box

[still heron]

Thx

[dawn tinsel]

Then personally I’d also give her si20 - furn is the bigger bottleneck, at least for me.

[vernal vessel]

You did abrutus instead of asolise first

[knotty verge]

I would do it all day again, it boosted me into t100

while I can just merc a fed swolise

@steady hill can I get your swolise pls?

[lapis moth]

probably mortas > desira your highest si prios yeah, unless you're going to si30 saurus

[knotty verge]

I was planning on saurus si30 next but depends how important the new gb si is 170/300 reds

[obtuse mauve]

I'm not sold about the versatility and meta duration argument for sawlise first. there are plenty of good supports around for that exact reason, and even more reason to build the best carry first

[dawn tinsel]

Oh yeah definitely Mortas first if he is at or close to M.

[knotty verge]

it was a valid argument when swolise just came out but now I think it's not worth to go for her anymore imo

[storm moth]

t41

[knotty verge]

t87

why am I so short on silv/gold emblems it is insane

[lapis moth]

cuz mf lillith keeps releasing broken heroes one after the other

[trail swift]

yep

[knotty verge]

every guide was like don't buy too many emblems or you will swim in them, and I bought them from time to time but I just have 5 heroes queued up for emblems rn

[trail swift]

2% 😦

[knotty verge]

you will get there!

[trail swift]

i got 0.8% last one

[gilded salmon]

3% got like 5 battles left

[trail swift]

was 1% til teh very end. sux

my ghetto mauler abrutus team sucks in blizzard apparently so it hurted :q

[indigo quail]

[low iron]

Oof, I dropped down from t44 to t72 in the last round, but at least it's still t100. I need to replace the Scarlet team at least - my win-rates aren't bad but everyone's so close that it's a rough drop when you hit a loss. t72/r34

[main abyss]

[vernal vessel]

Oof, that’s a huge drop

[indigo quail]

Scamble

[feral coral]

E60 vurk

[low iron]

Yeah, it's like, only a 30 point difference between t45-t90 in my region so a win or loss is huge. You have a -6 point loss and you drop like, 10 spaces.

[gilded salmon]

3% finish, still better than last season so I'll take it

[dusk tundra]

Brutus isn't a bad choice, but if going the TS route I feel like Thane is better as he works in his own team with lower investment and dims can be pretty decent on their own

If I had to start again I'd probably go Thane > Solise > Belinda instead of Thane > Brutus > Solise

[indigo quail]

I'd keep going wolise

Then bel

[obtuse mauve]

I'm happy with my teams. 63rd in R37. TS made me dream about t50, but stable t100 is good enough, tbh

[storm moth]

@quartz salmon why no t50

[proven hearth]

@still heron go go burst. No losing to Zaos this time

[indigo quail]

[storm moth]

[low iron]

Nice

[dusk tundra]

Yeah if you chose Brutus as your first awakened, Solise makes more sense I agree

[obtuse mauve]

2, 4, and 6, numerology witchcraft

[knotty verge]

to me it feels like TS is a great source for ToT cards next to other rewards. But again TS should be a way of income for overall game progression and to overinvest in TS might be a bad idea too

[indigo quail]

[knotty verge]

it could always be that a new gamemode comes out or rewards change in other gamemodes

[still heron]

🥳

Great job

[knotty verge]

nevertheless ts is the most fun gamemode for me haha

[indigo quail]

madao

gib t50

[lapis moth]

wutus is enough to get good rewards in TS and it is good all around, so thane def not a good woke if you think long term

[storm moth]

why no t50

[indigo quail]

Unlucky in those last battles

[lapis moth]

[indigo quail]

And that t50 guy is blessed by the god

[storm moth]

ngl i would go swolise -> abel -> waden -> wutus -> whane

[gilded salmon]

why solise

[storm moth]

[storm moth]

cuz shes op in every gamemode

and not gonna get powercrept

[indigo quail]

r u free

[storm moth]

maybe

[dusk tundra]

In my opinion I've seen Solise work decently in TS and I feel like having a more flexible 2nd awakened that works in all modes and decently in TS is more important. Assuming Brutus/Thane is enough to give you time emblems

[storm moth]

not really

[indigo quail]

Play my account

[obtuse mauve]

I'll pull for the strongest carry available when I amass 500 cards

[indigo quail]

I quit

[storm moth]

no

[indigo quail]

[knotty verge]

yeah swolise is really good, depends on how the next awk heroes gonna be

[lapis moth]

[storm moth]

swolise good on her own sir @dusk tundra

[dawn tinsel]

Yeah I feel like buying them all the time now, but need to prioritize RC first (and occasionally gear).

[vernal vessel]

Ngl i would go -> atalene->aezizh->athane->abrutus->abaden->abelinda->asolise

[dusk tundra]

If you have cards saved up it could be a good call to wait the next one out. Might be another support

[obtuse mauve]

I feel like I have enough supports for dozens of teams, and only a handful of good carries

[still heron]

Smart bytch

[dusk tundra]

Funnily enough I'd agree more if you said the other way around

[still heron]

Same

[vernal vessel]

Bestest - pather, campaign pusher and now ts

[dusk tundra]

She is, but can new players get top 100 from having Solise? If they can I would change my mind. As of now I'm in the aThane camp

[gilded salmon]

Idk I just don't see asolise carry teams as hard as other wokes do. And yeah having your first woke really push you into t100 is a big deal ^

[vernal vessel]

Asolise is a Support tho other awakened will get power creep

While Asolise will always be relevant

[gilded salmon]

But is that more important than doing well in ts now

[still heron]

AwThane is 100% not a prio anymore

[dusk tundra]

Yeah that's why if I could redo everything I'd do Thane > Solise. As for my third I'd honestly drop Brutus because he's not as prevalant in CR and Belinda is busted in TS cycle

[vernal vessel]

Yeah, now with abelinda taking his Palmer he isn’t as good as before

[quartz salmon]

Cause of this probably

[gilded salmon]

A powercrept woke hero will still be good

[opal bone]

If Belinda gets powercrept I'm quitting the game.

[dusk tundra]

I value top 100 in TS over everything else. Perhaps Belinda could be a better pick if going TS, I'm not sure

[still heron]

And PayLinda is fücking campaign/kt meta ngl

[dusk tundra]

Can newbies get top 100 with only Belinda?

[still heron]

Fück Thoran cheese

[dusk tundra]

I love Thoran cheese, a brain-dead comp that works on every multi

[still heron]

Who knows

[opal bone]

@civic sage

[civic sage]

With Solise they can

[vernal vessel]

Be ready to quit the game

[civic sage]

idk about Belinda

[civic sage]

[opal bone]

Why did you quit

[dusk tundra]

If they can then I might change my mind about Solise tbh

[knotty verge]

asta did u see my updated si guide the other day

[still heron]

No Alna

[dusk tundra]

That's the only thing holding her back as prio 1 imo

[civic sage]

Well, t100 is pretty easy in new regions unless you lack brain cells

[obtuse mauve]

How long did it take for ainzbedo to be power crept? One year?

[civic sage]

No

[knotty verge]

I am ch39 and it still works really well for me

[dusk tundra]

Because consistent TEs from TS is what matters most for newbies imo. CR dead, TS/rift/campaign not worth

[knotty verge]

@civic sage https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/974081672972763186/1078091410928054272/image.png

[low iron]

Ainz released in Oct 2020. He was consistent in PvP until aBrutus in July 2022, where he got boolied and replaced. Then aBelinda came by and is boolying aBrutus.

[still heron]

Look at her wr

[civic sage]

Consistent TEs are achievable with any of the Awks apart from 2lene/AwkEzizh tbh

[vernal vessel]

It’s so outdated ngl

[obtuse mauve]

Campaign comps take long to change, probably there are better options but no one bothers to try

[dusk tundra]

I can look at WR for other regions than my own?

[knotty verge]

could be true yeah, but dim team is still so strong in ts and pvp overall. also bossing and trift

[vernal vessel]

Yeah, maybe the new way to go is aBelinda -> asolise …

[civic sage]

Looks alright ig, maybe delay Kren and make Scarlet slightly earlier

[still heron]

Just look in our guild shes nutz

[gilded salmon]

Region 42, asolise is 16th 66%

[civic sage]

I think there needs to be more new player input though, not exactly like a lot ppl actually care about early game priority

[restive goblet]

I still don’t have chicken +30

[storm moth]

yes they can, myu is new with M swolise and almost t50

[knotty verge]

from my what is this word brain on that scarlet was really alright at this spot. Imo it is way better to merc a fed scarlet early game, no need for fed twins merc at that point

[dusk tundra]

Damn you're right honestly

[civic sage]

Chicken definitely needs to have a small note saying Queen is necessary

[civic sage]

That's true, but I don't think Ainz should be higher than Scarlet

iirc Scarlet team is very strong early on

[lapis moth]

still no si30 chicken

[vernal vessel]

That’s maybe because people are using L abelinda

[knotty verge]

even tho ainz albedo is really strong in ts and other modes? sure they have 0 usages in campaign until ch33

[low iron]

Not having Ainz hurts a lot in Ice debuff for new players, but you can skip him for most content honestly and still do well.

[gilded salmon]

so even l ableinda is better than asolise? op

[civic sage]

They have usage almost everywhere for new players

I agree, but Scarlet may have an edge, just something to think about

[vernal vessel]

In cr/hf for sure

[dusk tundra]

Any screenshots? Not that I don't believe you but I'm curious

Because that's pretty big news

[knotty verge]

hm yeah. maybe just place scarlet before ainzbedo in that case

[restive goblet]

Solise can do well in dims in like every buff

[knotty verge]

it won't matter much anyway, and scarlet can def sub from time to time in campaign

[low iron]

Here Specter.

[restive goblet]

and then she can fit into a bunch of whale comps too

[dusk tundra]

So can Brutus but preferably they'd work in their own comp

[restive goblet]

and she makes cycle or raku teams better

[civic sage]

Definitely with Waden/Belinda, I think Ainz is still relevant for new players

[civic sage]

Not before Bedo

definitely think Bedo is still more relevant

[low iron]

I will say - I don't have Ainz or Albedo, and the only one I really feel like I miss is Albedo in the current state of the game. For a new Player - there are a lot of heroes they can focus on over Ainz and still do well and those heroes will fill into a lot of places.

[knotty verge]

ah that's what you meant. yeah that could work too. ainz 209 will be enough for some time anyway

[civic sage]

Exactly

[knotty verge]

the question is where edwin belongs to lmao

[dusk tundra]

Thanks

[civic sage]

I assume you are a spender? Skipping them will stunt your progress early on

[gilded salmon]

like who? Ainz has carried me so well in everything except campaign as a new player

[vernal vessel]

I hope he is trash

[knotty verge]

^I agree. my 209 was a really great investment

[knotty verge]

I hope he is really high tier like grez so I can just build him

[vernal vessel]

Please stop releasing new op must have heroes, I need to catch up

[vernal vessel]

[knotty verge]

you should be happy about op 4f heroes. it would be way worse if 4f just gets worse and worse and awk heroes or celehypos become stronger and stronger

[vernal vessel]

Nah, fck 4f

[knotty verge]

[still heron]

Another gabe

[knotty verge]

so you would prefer to build shemira over a good new gb at some point?

[dusk tundra]

Thanks for doing this, the community has needed an updated one for* so long

[gilded salmon]

now update the furn guide

[knotty verge]

I will make it fancy and send again, I just wanted to clarify some stuff haha. it's not much selfwork tho

mostly from asta & friends anyway

[lapis moth]

you can probably drop joa her si30 not crucial

[dusk tundra]

Someone has to take initiative

[restive goblet]

I remember when talene was considered the ultimate support who would never leave the meta and was in all modes. And then she left the meta completely, but then she came back in several new modes.

So not really sure what the lesson is here.

[still heron]

I miss stinky

[vernal vessel]

I would prefer to build my tamrus and mulan rn+ hoard for ae…if the new hero is good, I need to get furniture cards again + shards + cores

[still heron]

@shell jungle hru

[dusk tundra]

Suggestion: make the new additions hero icons instead of their sprite art. It's a little jarring to look at right now but it's understandable if it's just a draft

[civic sage]

Quitting this game is a good decision though

[knotty verge]

yeah haha

[still heron]

Stfu
Hru ?

[civic sage]

Feeling far better, but also somewhat bored

[civic sage]

Stink

[steady hill]

[still heron]

[shell jungle]

[vernal vessel]

@still heron stop pushing campaign … stay at 46 with me

[still heron]

I cant push

Used 2 merc's for 46-10 and -11

[vernal vessel]

[dusk tundra]

That's the benefit of not pushing as hard as Kadezh, you never end up reaching the power cap

[shell jungle]

what the hell #treasure-scramble ain’t #treasure-scramble anymore is it

[still heron]

Its #classic-chat now

[shell jungle]

[sacred notch]

Was it ever really?

[dusk tundra]

If I had Granit SI30 I'd be so much further ahead

[still heron]

Blame gabe

[dusk tundra]

Btw, Gabe came back?

[shell jungle]

there’s my monthly appearance goodbye again

[dusk tundra]

I saw he's in the server now

[low iron]

I just mean in terms of stuff like Engravings and such, I don't think you should spend them on Ainz anymore because it hurts your resources onto other heroes and a lot of them need heavy investment for relevance as time goes on. I feel like it's like Daimon at this point if you pick him up, where you shouldn't push into him. I think he's worth a pick up but you don't need him.

Like, even without him at all, it's a bit slower but you can complete all the Voyages/peaks/etc with a team that focuses on like Kren or Scarlet or whatever hero you really want to who does have relevance in tower or other content without much problem I feel. I never picked him up and didn't struggle, and I didn't spend at all until a few months into the game personally though I do spend as I don't have any other vices outside of trading card games. And now with Awakened heroes being so greedy, it really hurts resources if they do.

[still heron]

See u next month

[dusk tundra]

I kind of agree. SI30 9/9 is fine for him, but perhaps the engraving benchmark should be lower.

I'm thinking Major ATK node and maybe some minor MP/AS nodes

[still heron]

He was here today

[low iron]

Just for a day he said, because he needed a distraction before work.

[vernal vessel]

E80 that mf

[dusk tundra]

So E10 (DEF/ATK) or E21 (major nodes/AS/MP)

E10 (1500 shards), E21 (2850 shards)

My personal route for newbies would be to stop at E10 tbh. You need the shards for Raku and others

[still heron]

Max him

[storm moth]

guys yall nubs

🖕

[gilded salmon]

toxic

[dusk tundra]

Hold your horses

[lapis moth]

ban horse man

[storm moth]

[vernal vessel]

[sacred notch]

🖕

[storm moth]

[dusk tundra]

That's it, now horsie's gonna get it 🐴

[lapis moth]

I say take off his role

[still heron]

When u need bappy

[dusk tundra]

Snatch his weave Madao

[still heron]

[still heron]

Fund me 100 tot cards or i Tag bappy

[lapis moth]

[twilit gulch]

Thought u were gonna get t20

[storm moth]

[solid monolith]

[twilit gulch]

[storm moth]

bappy help

[indigo quail]

who

[storm moth]

they booly

[still heron]

Now ur fücked

[lapis moth]

dropped in last 10 rounds

[dusk tundra]

Ainz

[indigo quail]

no

[twilit gulch]

I fucked up my comps so no chance

Forgot to change

[indigo quail]

Without e30 he cant do anything in campaign

[lapis moth]

[feral coral]

Lie

[indigo quail]

Not enough damage to kill enemies

[lapis moth]

we will always have cr at least

[indigo quail]

real

[dusk tundra]

Is his E30 that gives 50>55% to his ToG?

[indigo quail]

yes

[low iron]

That's his e30.

[feral coral]

I feel like that's more stage dependent

[dusk tundra]

I don't think that's necessary tbh if you really need to spend your shards wisely

Of course should get eventually

[feral coral]

E30 merlin

[dusk tundra]

Probably next benchmark is E35(ATK)

[dusk tundra]

[indigo quail]

Ainz team is the weakest team in rift
Dont make it much worse by not having e30 in ainz

[dusk tundra]

I was more speaking of if you don't have many shards at the start

[gilded salmon]

Ainz is my best team

[indigo quail]

At early you dont want to garrison ainz anyway

You prob have 3-4 or more e30s before garrisoning ainz

[dusk tundra]

Well if you have 3-4 by the time you get Ainz I'd agree. However I'm not sure if you do

[still heron]

Whos ready for Mulan ?

[dusk tundra]

I'm ready to put her in my box and never use her

[indigo quail]

not me

[dapper lance]

is 209 ready

[indigo quail]

[low iron]

I don't have the cores waiting to e60 her so she'll probably just rot in her box-prison. I still need to f9 Vei anyway. 🛌

[obtuse mauve]

Me, kind of, not enough emblems and only 4f

[still heron]

Imo yes

[dapper lance]

im ready

[still heron]

I can make her 309 E30

Without using cards

[dapper lance]

i'll link her to 2* shemira

[dusk tundra]

I always put dims on my furn list asap, I only get like 1 or 2 furn by the end of exchange

[still heron]

Got her last furn today

[low iron]

I've had Vei on my list since his release and got none for him - but 9f'd like, 4 other heroes in the meantime, just saving up cards now.

[proven hearth]

bestest pather is the bestest achievement imo - the others pale in comparison

[obtuse mauve]

I got yens furn pretty fast, but that's the exception. Queens still 7f

[dapper lance]

is merlin a pvp hero

[dusk tundra]

I also got lucky with Yen, and recently I've gotten Geralts in a row

[still heron]

Same and mine is at 1f

[dusk tundra]

Yes

[still heron]

Looks like hes doomed

[dusk tundra]

Also rift

[dapper lance]

shoot

[dusk tundra]

Why?

[dapper lance]

no merlin yet

still recovering from poor early game choices haha

[dusk tundra]

Oh you purchased Flora or something?

[low iron]

Poor Melusina investors

[still heron]

[dapper lance]

athalia, grez twice

[gilded salmon]

I purchased an ezizh copy at first

[dusk tundra]

I got my Melusina to 3/3 then I realized she was garbo

[still heron]

Oh my

[gilded salmon]

oh lord

[obtuse mauve]

I got her 3f for the cheat death, regretful

[dusk tundra]

Damn Grez twice

I bought Flora once and one red chest

[feral coral]

Surprised u have the dmg for some campaign stages

[dapper lance]

they said his 9f was good

[dusk tundra]

Early on you think one buy doesn't matter, but it sets you back so much

[still heron]

Lets blame nerds

[dapper lance]

it really does...mulling over buying him but dam $100 is a lot

[gilded salmon]

I also got a rowan and 2 twins furn at the beginning cause I was looking at an old guide

[dusk tundra]

Let's blame him for something real like the confusing SG prio

[low iron]

I bought a copy of Skreg from the Lab Store at the very start - only to then get drowned in copies so it was such a waste.

[dapper lance]

[dusk tundra]

Eeeeh, to each their own. I'd say don't

[still heron]

Did he changed it ? Im way above so im not looking at it

[low iron]

Old Guides really should have a tag or something on Reddit or wherever, that's like - Don't Follow This Or You'll Regret It. Some people still invest into Shemira or first choose Talene from SGs because of old information they find through googling.

[dusk tundra]

it said that Zolrath > Vei and Cruke in PvP but Vei and Cruke > Zolrath in overall (with TS in mind)

[dapper lance]

I think it was either Flaw or some other kraken that mentioned $100 spread over the time it takes to get Merlin from Challenger store is less than a dollar a day and I couldn't think of a counter-argument lol

[still heron]

Damn

[still heron]

Im sorry

[dusk tundra]

Yeah and Cruke and Vei weren't mentioned in CR or campaign meanwhile Zolrath is on campaign prio and above Vei and Cruke in PvP

[still heron]

This shyt is outta control

[low iron]

Such is life for 90% of players sadly.

[dusk tundra]

Anyone on "community" is a lost cause

[still heron]

This person is lvl'ing all heroes

[low iron]

Sometimes you see someone going for Lucius first too and it's like,

[dusk tundra]

Tried telling people that pulling one copy of aEzizh wasn't the best choice and that Solise + save was better. Guy replied to me that it was and got 11 upvotes or whatever

[still heron]

With some dupes

[dusk tundra]

Oh and there is a lot of weird people there

I still remember the post about Lightbearers being racist

[gilded salmon]

wouldn't surprise me

[still heron]

[gilded salmon]

human faction? Yeah I bet they are

[still heron]

Yesterday

[dusk tundra]

Not the people in the faction themselves, they are probably uber-racist. They argued that there were no black people in the game and Raine/Zaphrael have eurocentric features and a lot of weird shit

[gilded salmon]

oh what lol

[dapper lance]

Lucius almost spelled like Lucretia

[restive goblet]

👋

[dapper lance]

[still heron]

👋

[brisk wharf]

[wise lion]

Who are you saving those for, awakened dreaf?

[lapis moth]

[dapper lance]

how many poe for 1 red card?

[still heron]

27k

[lapis moth]

no need to rush mulan

seems pretty niche unless pvp simps

[dapper lance]

im a simp put her on my list first chance i could

[dapper lance]

thanks

[lapis moth]

vip 20 when

[dapper lance]

[lapis moth]

gib tips

42-36-5 rng

[still heron]

Show stage

[storm moth]

gib tips 42-29

[lapis moth]

win

[storm moth]

[lapis moth]

[knotty verge]

any changes?

[lapis moth]

I still don't get why chicken is considered high tbh

[storm moth]

because its lower rng with him

[lapis moth]

seems to me in a similar category to daimon tbh

[storm moth]

and because you just use baden in there

you dont have to have +30

[lapis moth]

[restive goblet]

saving until I decide on which awakened to pick next. I have almost 400 red furniture so I haven’t been in a huge rush to spend them

[knotty verge]

chicken si30 is the sandstorm right

[lapis moth]

I got to 42+ without baden in q5p

and without chicken si30

[knotty verge]

since silas si30 was a gamechanger I could also delay skriath behind silas or even kren

[feral coral]

Tried raku + ldv instead of mishka and abaden?

[storm moth]

oh no i have to push

[lapis moth]

this works, just waiting for rng

better than raku ldv

[low iron]

Yeah, Skriath si30 is the damage over time sandstorm. It seems to help in Multi-hit TS if you use him for that, and with Queen, but is mostly irrelevant.

[lapis moth]

[feral coral]

Out of rewinds

[storm moth]

i hab 200

and want 600 today

[restive goblet]

If you’re above 500 already you probably can

[knotty verge]

easy fix to this

[feral coral]

Astar

[knotty verge]

astar is valid there

is there any smart and talented guy here who can make the white part of this image transparent?

[feral coral]

Bias

[civic sage]

Did you make this?

[storm moth]

i did trust

[knotty verge]

yes

[knotty verge]

thanks, the outlines look a bit rough tho

[low iron]

Yeah, I didn't bother going over everything, just magic wanded for a second.

[knotty verge]

haha thanks

[dusk tundra]

I think this one looks good

Nice, easy to read and to understand. I agree with the placement

[knotty verge]

I made it a way that it is easily changable

[civic sage]

Looks pretty good

[knotty verge]

so if anything changes it is a matter of 1min to change it + make it transparent again

[dusk tundra]

So personally I feel like Kren SI30 is kinda low prio but by then, you should already know what your account need

So it's fine

[knotty verge]

yeah it is mostly a Maulers tower carry + sub for other modes at this point

if no carry already

[low iron]

Dropped from CR use pretty hard, but has use for people who don't have aBaden at the ready - and he does help in one of those pet battle things that are now extra voyages.

[knotty verge]

good

[civic sage]

Also, probably change it to 'CS Team and Yuu'

You should also get some credit

[knotty verge]

I don't need credit, role back before james is enough

why did I delete photoshop apps

[dusk tundra]

You should ping nerds

In questions

[knotty verge]

can he make it transparent

[dusk tundra]

What do you mean?

Like remove the white borders?

[knotty verge]

yes

got it

I pinged him already haha

[dusk tundra]

Gotcha

[still heron]

Ping him in his cave aka #taverns-chat-room

[knotty verge]

I dont even see that channel haha

[dusk tundra]

It's locked to people with roles only

drop Kren and Joan from the list seems to be consensus. Nerds and Bok said to throw in Mishka but Idunno

[twilit gulch]

Mishka+30?

[knotty verge]

yes also it is has just white borders because of discord mobile, I made it transparent with love

[dusk tundra]

I don't agree either, I have 35 SI30s and no Mishka SI30

I think it was just thrown out there due to a lack of ideas

[still heron]

Ghibly next

[proven hearth]

You funny

[dusk tundra]

end the list after Anasta imo and drop Joan

[still heron]

Dropping Jeanne is a sin sir

[still heron]

I believe

[dusk tundra]

Would rather buy dim emblems for Yen or reds/juice tbh

I think Joan SI30 is too low impact to have on there

[knotty verge]

this is the new one tho

dims and appropiate changed

after anasta is up for discussion so CS Team and I can get some roast

[dusk tundra]

I sent it in Tavern chatroom

[knotty verge]

it is in #faq-resources

just the white bordered version

[still heron]

Stop changing it ppl will even more roast u

[knotty verge]

so yeah spam until they change is a good idea

[knotty verge]

Nerd had some requests and I literally stated CS Team

[dusk tundra]

Imo I'd just end the list earlier because Nevanthi is kind of dependant on summoners and it's better for ppl to just post their specific box

Like the list doesn't have to be that long

[knotty verge]

the risk of that is that heroes can be out of sight like in a tunnelled vision

who would have expected a si30 mishka there

[still heron]

Here we go again

[dusk tundra]

I also think that most people in taverns don't really care enough to give input as they are far away from needing this list

[knotty verge]

I bet people usually ask anyway and that list might be still valid for people who don't ask

[dusk tundra]

Having a shorter list may give an impression that shifting their focus from reds to cores or something else might be a better idea

[still heron]

Thats the problem 100%

[knotty verge]

but yeah it should be more flexible this time. so if anything changes it can be updated right away instead of waiting for a long time for a new guide

[dusk tundra]

Some ppl may justify low prio si30 just cause it's on the list

So a shorter list can be benefitial

Why not have "post box on discord" as the last option

[knotty verge]

but yeah that mishka surprised me there

[knotty verge]

valid

[dusk tundra]

Me too I'm not even sure if it was a legit answer or if tavern is just out of touch

So if you want my opinion, end after Anasta with "Post box on discord for next SI30" or something

[knotty verge]

let's keep mishka open for discussion first and I might change it tomorrow

if I make it shorter I will end it with the post box one

[gilded salmon]

no furn update yet 🤔

[dusk tundra]

Yes do that. It's what they should do anyway, guides tend to get outdated

[still heron]

Btw great work, yuu 😘

[dusk tundra]

Yeah you're doing great Yuu

[knotty verge]

thanks

also I am excited for the edwin si discussion

[dusk tundra]

I haven't seen anything about him yet

[knotty verge]

si30 is max hp% attack

so it's really interesting

[dusk tundra]

Counterattack like Thoran?

[knotty verge]

from what I understand is like he creates an aura and if people gets attacked they receive haste buffs etc and stack up edwins counterattack dmg

and it even steals haste from the enemy

[dusk tundra]

Sounds cracked, remains to be seen how he settles into the meta

Might shake things up a bit

@indigo quail You wanted aThane merc?

[low iron]

Edwin:

• He has an aura around him - it reduces damage taken from auto attacks by 80% and increases damage dealt by allies within the aura by 35%. Whenever an ally inside is hit by an auto-attack, they also recover 15~30[e60] energy up to 150~300[e60] energy total. Every 4 times an ally inside is hit by an auto-attack, he gets a stack of Counter-attack. [e30 - when hit by a skill, he ignores it and becomes invincible for 3 seconds every 8 seconds while gaining a free counter-stack.] [F9 - The attacker loses 100 energy every 1.5s]

• Then he'll place a zone on the field with the highest concentration of allies that does the same as his aura.

• If an ally in these zones takes more than 10% of their max HP, he silences the attacker [preventing skill use and - if int, preventing auto-attacks].

• With his combo, he'll silence and reduce def of enemies in front of him, though I heard the cooldown of his combo is pretty long.

• His counter-attacks will deal 250~490% ATK as DMG, and deal an additional 10% of enemy's max HP as DMG [up to 800% ATK]. [This is dependant upon SI level]

• He will cancel his auto-attacks and combo with his counter-attacks. If his combo is cancelled, it will still apply the silence/reduce def.

[dusk tundra]

This guy sounds busted ngl

[knotty verge]

yeah. I really hope he has no stupid lack of anything that makes him niche or unusable

[low iron]

A lot of his benefits are more subtle - reducing damage from auto-attacks, silencing enemies, slowly recovering ally energy and reducing enemy energy, increasing damage output of allies in the aura.

So he'll probably be one of those heroes who you see gives a good increase in win-rate in the right team, but doesn't show anything on the score-board for himself.

[twilit gulch]

Whane counter

[low iron]

^Depends on if the targetted ally is in Edwin's aura or not.

[knotty verge]

sounds better than desiras kit, doesn't it?

[indigo quail]

yes maybe

[low iron]

I feel like they're going for different roles, but does Desira see use outside TR and specifically Ice-TS?

[knotty verge]

I saw people using desira in forest ts iirc

I didn't build her yet so I still don't know much about her

[dapper lance]

Astar pr Hodg for 9f first?

[knotty verge]

astar

[twilit gulch]

Mulan

[knotty verge]

pls make a new furn guide

I am not capable of doing it

[twilit gulch]

36f everyone

[knotty verge]

I can design it for you

[twilit gulch]

No guide necessary

[knotty verge]

if u give info

[twilit gulch]

Why new furn guide

Just add some new prios in

Like palmer

[raven lark]

changed my life thanks

[dapper lance]

[knotty verge]

I kinda like this design @twilit gulch

[storm moth]

theres so much eluard in ch42

i dont like him

[twilit gulch]

[storm moth]

[knotty verge]

[storm moth]

what floor

[twilit gulch]

I'm actually f2p now tho

[storm moth]

in rift

[twilit gulch]

600

[storm moth]

[twilit gulch]

Reminds me

I gotta push

Still got 200 rewinds

[storm moth]

[knotty verge]

haha I am just kidding, causes 36f statement

[twilit gulch]

36f is real advice

Idk why u think I'm joking

[knotty verge]

[twilit gulch]

This is why ur not t50 TS

[vernal vessel]

🧢

[brisk urchin]

[twilit gulch]

[vernal vessel]

[knotty verge]

[gilded salmon]

I like this

[indigo quail]

@steady hill can I merc ur whane

[steady hill]

later

[indigo quail]

[sacred notch]

Been there done that, I know how it ends

Reformed f2p = recovering addict

[twilit gulch]

I'm just not spending anymore on this game cuz of the model

Still gonna spend on other games

[dapper lance]

like what

jw

[twilit gulch]

Games that have yet to come out

[vernal vessel]

Play rise of kingdoms

[twilit gulch]

No

I played when it first came out

[dapper lance]

how mysterious sir

[twilit gulch]

Back then Scipio was op

Scipio infantry

[vernal vessel]

Scipio still op

Scipio Prime

[twilit gulch]

[vernal vessel]

It’s like the awakened version

[dapper lance]

can i see your box; curious how it looks before transitioning to f2p

[twilit gulch]

RoK is fun game tho

Just $$$

[vernal vessel]

You can see mine, f2p transition to f2p

[dapper lance]

sure but ive been stalking bear

been using him as benchmark

[twilit gulch]

[dapper lance]

ahhh rip 3 awakened fml

just missing vei and zol and the 2 awakened then i can finally be bear

[granite mason]

u r more kraken than bear

[dapper lance]

[dapper lance]

scroll up

[vernal vessel]

… can only scroll down

[dapper lance]

[knotty verge]

Can I use them in TS as a double

[dawn tinsel]

Why your trial version at elite?

[twilit gulch]

Gotta link

[twilit gulch]

T7

[knotty verge]

I just got my trial version

but nobody to link with

[dapper lance]

can you link to herself

for science

[knotty verge]

oh I will try

I can't

[dapper lance]

[dawn tinsel]

Oh did not remember that 😮

[restive goblet]

No scrumble

[granite mason]

next ts is energy

astar cycle time

[knotty verge]

3/5 red furn cards and my anasta is ready for some ts winrate improvements

[steady hill]

wow whale

[steady hill]

@knotty verge u can merc now

[gaunt marten]

I heard yall were causing problems today

[opal bone]

Someone ban this guy.

[gaunt marten]

What is this shit

[gaunt marten]

I have a feeling he's going to be used everywhere

I'd definitely already put him above doing desira

[lime zinc]

Always edWinning

[gaunt marten]

I'm not sure if a newbie ts player has the supports abel needs to not crumple though

Is my issue with her being the first ts hero for newbies

My argument for abaden will always be that gb are the faction you build first so you're going to have alna abaden gb available fairly early

Abaden whips ass and anyone saying he doesn't is doing something wrong

I'm absolutely confused about this sudden wave of people saying hes not a priority ts awakened

Which I highly suspect is just typical redditor brain reactionary bs to the awakened guide

People just wanna see a bad bitch fall

[restive goblet]

Every 4f awakened so far is priority in TS atm

[gaunt marten]

A solid athane team kills abel so I don't understand the argument that athane is obsolete either

I'm seeing a lot of weird opinions by ppl who only have like 1-2 awakened so it's probably user bias

[gaunt marten]

You know what I mean

[restive goblet]

I’m just agreeing with you. I lose to Solise, Belinda, thane, Baden, and Brutus all the time.

[gaunt marten]

I think both the build solise first and merc solise build carry first are equally sound ideas

I think it depends on how much you enjoy certain game modes

[gaunt marten]

I'm seeing too many people do what I can only interpret as intentionally kneecapping older awakened

To be like zomg they're no good anymore

It happened when thane came out then people begrudgingly accepted he's good now wete seeing the same thing again, and then the same thing happened to baden

[restive goblet]

People just want it to be true

[gaunt marten]

It's confirmation bias

[restive goblet]

That the heroes they didn’t summon must suck

[gaunt marten]

I swear pvp gachas make people fucking foul humans

[restive goblet]

But for me personally, none of the older awakeneds matter. I’m waiting for awakened numisu

[gaunt marten]

That's interesting

[restive goblet]

I hope the next one is either a support or warrior

[gaunt marten]

I should be finding out soon

[restive goblet]

I want temporal to be easy to climb

[gaunt marten]

Whale

Then it's easy

[restive goblet]

so I want it to be an op warrior lol

[gaunt marten]

I need to push I'm only like 500

Need to use my kraken beacons

While I still have them

🥹

Since I've mostly stopped paying 2 win

Oh I forgot embla did my dailies today lmao

Scrumble

[storm moth]

scumbl

[gaunt marten]

Scrombl

My pts are behaving today so I'm bored and too tired to write

[storm moth]

wow i got the same rewards as gabe

[indigo quail]

[gaunt marten]

I want to kermit

I would have finished in t20 if I didn't come in here and try normie comps

[storm moth]

[gaunt marten]

Fr

[gaunt marten]

I'm going to chew your eyelids off while you're asleep tonight

[indigo quail]

I would have finished in t50 if I didnt come in here and ask for advice

jk

[gaunt marten]

What rank did you finish

Tbh I think my rank was more bc of rng than changing my teams but I do think scalping my solise team didn't help

I need to remember generally looking at kraken shit goes better for me than looking at dolphin stuff

[storm moth]

what did you do to swolise

actually yea

[gaunt marten]

I took cruke away from her

[storm moth]

but i want baden on rakus account

[gaunt marten]

Tbh the main reason I keep coming back in here is seeing trez in top emotes

He makes me so happy

[storm moth]

[gaunt marten]

[storm moth]

im gonna spam trez now

cuz he big

[gaunt marten]

She dropped like 10% wr

You can actually see his sweat now

[storm moth]

yeah lol

[gaunt marten]

Ts chat is treznor scramble chat now

[indigo quail]

51

1pts from t50

Dropped from t43 to t51 last 10 battles

[storm moth]

i would be madge

[gaunt marten]

Lmao that happened to me in December I think I finished t51

[lapis moth]

do you guys remember which CR round mulan was used?

[vernal vessel]

No u

[storm moth]

she was used in cr?

i linked her to saurus because i thought she wasnt

[lapis moth]

I think she was a sub somewhere

can't see it in next week's cursed friends guide

[storm moth]

[gaunt marten]

Uhhhh I know I've used her for kraken cr shit

Idk for what

I know I'm so helpful

[lapis moth]

[gaunt marten]

You can blame me im sorry as soon as I started trezposting in here it just became a circus

[storm moth]

wtf

no skrumple

[earnest tendon]

Best score yet

[storm moth]

[earnest tendon]

i got scared last day it was 8%

but i guess it went up

[gaunt marten]

Good job

[gaunt marten]

No scrmlsl

[storm moth]

[earnest tendon]

[opal bone]

There are people with good boxes that still get 2-3% max

[gaunt marten]

How

By shooting themselves in the feet ig

[earnest tendon]

im r7 and quit for like overall 6+months

i feel like this is quite the achievement for me

[indigo quail]

[solemn sage]

You could probably get top 100 with no awakeneds in my region

[indigo quail]

Whats ur region

[solemn sage]

2

[indigo quail]

[solemn sage]

it's one of the easiest old regions

there's people in top 50 with only 3 awakeneds

[indigo quail]

still impossible smh

[solemn sage]

I got 22nd

with worse teams than guildmates that are fighting for top 50 in their region

[earnest tendon]

I need wrutus for higher score

[indigo quail]

I need abel

[earnest tendon]

And I'm doing swolise 2nd

[indigo quail]

I wish there is an awk swap scroll

[earnest tendon]

I have noone to swap

[indigo quail]

I have wolise

[earnest tendon]

U want to swap swolise

[quartz salmon]

Sus

[indigo quail]

yes

[quartz salmon]

[earnest tendon]

Why

[quartz salmon]

No don’t do that

[earnest tendon]

[indigo quail]

Everyone builds wolise

[quartz salmon]

Abel is just rift and cr

Wolise is EVERYWHERE

[indigo quail]

I want to be diff

[quartz salmon]

[indigo quail]

Abel is everywhere smh

[quartz salmon]

Not really

[earnest tendon]

Actually big brain u can juse use merc swolise

[indigo quail]

[quartz salmon]

Just get Abel second awk

I’ll swap Whane for Waden or wutus probably

[indigo quail]

Gib cards

20 cards and no wolise, scam

[quartz salmon]

I used 655 cards for Wolise A

[gaunt marten]

I regret to inform you she's just as relevant as the rest of the good awakened in ts

Which is what I expected honestly

At least now I have 5 solid teams

[quartz salmon]

Yeah Abel is also ts

But Wolise is like everywhere fr

[gaunt marten]

Won't have to whale anything to stay in top

[quartz salmon]

Also less likely to fall off of meta

[indigo quail]

Whale infos abel op in campaign

So shes everywhere

[solemn sage]

asolise is already falling out of some CR metas

[gaunt marten]

Yes

[indigo quail]

[quartz salmon]

Hmm

So you would recommend him swapping Wolise for Abel?

[solemn sage]

abel can push rift and grand hunt with zero mage beacon

she's broken as hell

[gaunt marten]

I think both going solise first and mercing solise building carry first are equally good for whatever playstyle

[quartz salmon]

Hm

I’m wondering who to swap Whane with now

[gaunt marten]

Rift is weird though there's things that shouldn't work there but do

[quartz salmon]

You guys making me doubt

[gaunt marten]

Ofc my pts are awake when chat is actually active

[quartz salmon]

[solemn sage]

abel is
-Better than thoran for campaign pushing
-9-10b damage in most CR rounds
-70%+ team in TS
-OP in rift and GH
-30x better than any other faction for HF

[storm moth]

you have waden merc right

[quartz salmon]

So Abel, Wutus or Waden ?
I have Wolise

[quartz salmon]

Perma no, i have 1/2 weeks from misty. Should go on for a while. But this week I got madaos waden

[storm moth]

then build abel

after next awk out tho

[quartz salmon]

[storm moth]

might be even more broken

[indigo quail]

build abel when

[quartz salmon]

So no wutus?

[storm moth]

wutus kinda eh

[solemn sage]

next awakened will be sometime in the next month

[indigo quail]

free merc when

[quartz salmon]

Wutus is sexy tho

[storm moth]

he is tru

[solemn sage]

either one or two patches after edwin

[storm moth]

soon

[indigo quail]

next awk is alaro, trust

[storm moth]

dont build him tho

[quartz salmon]

Nah i wont

[storm moth]

you will probably regret

[quartz salmon]

I’ll get Abel or waden

[storm moth]

same way we did with whane

[quartz salmon]

Probably abel tho

[indigo quail]

save me that abel

[storm moth]

[quartz salmon]

This convinced me

[storm moth]

if you join nihilum sir

[quartz salmon]

[storm moth]

[indigo quail]

[quartz salmon]

To be fair I don’t regret building him cause I had 4 copies of him already, it was an easy choice picking him

[indigo quail]

R u classy in smoku discord account

[quartz salmon]

When Nihilum join sir

[storm moth]

[indigo quail]

After abex

[storm moth]

[quartz salmon]

Deal

[indigo quail]

[quartz salmon]

Smoku

[storm moth]

me

[quartz salmon]

Are you doing abex?

Comp

[storm moth]

im spec

[quartz salmon]

Ohh Okok

That’s alright

What do spec do tho

[storm moth]

idfk

spectate and stuff

[quartz salmon]

If they don’t do shit any one could have spec

Why did they ask you to do it lol

[storm moth]

probably it does something when you have max spec

idk

im gonna be a passenger queen pretty much

[gaunt marten]

I vote abaden because hes hot and I want to kiss him

[storm moth]

wanda hot too

[gaunt marten]

She's really not

Hot as in she looks like she has radiation burns on her legs

Idfk what they were thinking

[quartz salmon]

I do also want to kiss him

But…

Abel

[storm moth]

wanda

[quartz salmon]

Is better

[gaunt marten]

Still don't understand this

Bc athane is good

[storm moth]

he is

[quartz salmon]

No

[storm moth]

but after we got more interested in cr he wasnt as good

[quartz salmon]

Whane is like Ezizh but with a sword

[gaunt marten]

You're delusional

[solemn sage]

So far every awakened is better than the previous

[gaunt marten]

Genuinely

[solemn sage]

except ezizh

[indigo quail]

[gaunt marten]

Careful the abrutus fans are still mad

[storm moth]

sir push to 600 rift this season

wutus mid

[solemn sage]

Abrutus dims are still the king of standard pvp

[feral coral]

No, wutus op

[solemn sage]

too bad that mode is irrelevant for 99% of playerbase

[feral coral]

[gaunt marten]

You mean lc or whatever

[solemn sage]

LC, LCT, arena

[gaunt marten]

Worst pvp mode

[solemn sage]

yep

whales only

except arena

most whales don't even bother with that

rewards trash

[gaunt marten]

You're gatekept by whatever the kraken is on your server and then also everyone sucks each other off for wins anyways like it's rigged at the highest level

I'm just not interested in that

[quartz salmon]

[storm moth]

i pushed 75 floors yesterday

[indigo quail]

help push rift

[storm moth]

use might

its fun

[gaunt marten]

I wish embla would touch rift for me but she hates it more than I do

[indigo quail]

no

[storm moth]

myu push to 800 for me tyvm

[indigo quail]

ogey

[solemn sage]

rift is easy now

[storm moth]

[solemn sage]

abel works with no mage beacon

[indigo quail]

[solemn sage]

so you can get 4 beacons for the price of 3

[indigo quail]

Smoku gives one abel copy

[storm moth]

i only hab 1

[quartz salmon]

Nice

[storm moth]

[lapis moth]

which team are you using with her sir

[quartz salmon]

Madao

Welp

I can’t whale

Game doesn’t like me

[gaunt marten]

Should be getting leak on who next awakened is soon

[lapis moth]

[storm moth]

[indigo quail]

[gaunt marten]

Wondering how broken they'll be

[storm moth]

how come

[solemn sage]

I haven't changed my teams because I have whale beacons so no need

[lapis moth]

why not

[quartz salmon]

Game doesn’t want me to whale look at this shit

WHY IS EVERYTHING IN DOLLARS

I DOTN FKIKG USE DOLLARS

[indigo quail]

[storm moth]

[lapis moth]

is it from ldplayer

[solemn sage]

but guildmates are using merlin rosa ezizh rowan abel I think

[quartz salmon]

LEMMI GET VIP15

No Iphoen

[indigo quail]

mega whale buying those bundles

[storm moth]

you lie

[quartz salmon]

I should try on LD player

[storm moth]

where 70k dias

[quartz salmon]

In bag

[gaunt marten]

I did that bundle for vei

[quartz salmon]

[lapis moth]

I can't buy from ldplayer too

[storm moth]

[gaunt marten]

I was possessed w something dark

[quartz salmon]

But yes I did lie I have 20 hehe

[solemn sage]

can't use raine with abel if you don't have mage beacon

[lapis moth]

so using bluestacks for purchases

can't use raine with abel L too sadge

[quartz salmon]

I’ll try it thanks

Madao

Teach me how to whale please

What do you usually buy

[gaunt marten]

Don't

[quartz salmon]

Asta and Raku left

[lapis moth]

spread purchases for melodic is the most important thing