treasure-scramble

[lilac bobcat]

I picked the right comp for this garbage debuff

[twilit gulch]

t20 lol

[lilac bobcat]

Good luck getting to that place

[quaint isle]

Also lost 1 battle but only 4%. Top 100 probably win all those rounds so far

[lilac bobcat]

Top1 mystery chant

Pog

Ami iris ftw

[quaint isle]

Ainz is quite op this buff

[quaint isle]

He’s already dropped

[lilac bobcat]

I won every ainz mirror

They don't have the right hero

100%

[twilit gulch]

a lot of ppl dont bother changing comps for TS

[low iron]

Might be scuff because of region, but I find thankfully that aBrutus still works well on my end in this TS. 🙏

[frozen crest]

skylark kraken

[sage moat]

10 fights in, decided to experiment a bit with wukong

[sacred notch]

Show a replay

[sage moat]

Vs ainz comp

[lusty jungle]

put eziooooooo not dabeechy

[storm moth]

lel

[storm moth]

how do you have 5 faction bonus tf

[quaint isle]

This cycle is tough. Have 75% wr but rank only 14%

[sage moat]

Lol dunno, maybe antandra is secret graveborn

[storm moth]

nvm its switched with ainz faction

[sage moat]

I see

[hasty scaffold]

The actual krakens were transferred to R70 . R70 way stacked compared to R69

[frozen crest]

lucky us

[hasty scaffold]

Yes lels. Easy region gang

[steady hill]

wow first days are really scuffed

[tropic birch]

me being top 20%

in 1 day i will be top 2% lol

[lusty jungle]

reference t50

[frozen crest]

solid 2%

[lusty jungle]

[lime zinc]

I've got a nice 78% wr for top 4%

[peak widget]

I got no chance when this man floats in my ts lmao

[polar dune]

hes only 1 guy tho

[lusty jungle]

yea flaw senpai better, mob100 vibes

[peak widget]

A lot of ppl have cracked accounts :_:

[polar dune]

he might have nice stars and colour

but u have power of friendship

[fallow cave]

And family

[opal bone]

35th

[carmine shale]

Damn. And here I am, not running ainz because I was afraid he would suck this round lmao.

[frozen crest]

smart

[carmine shale]

Love the fact all the big hitters got moved to R70 though, pretty sure I can hit top 100 from now on. Which is all I want.

On another note, Is Isabella meta this round?

[lime zinc]

She does have a strong kit when not using ult and anti-energy stuff, but most people probably don't have her actually built well enough to matter lol

[hasty scaffold]

Almost the same comp ax you except my dims have Brutus, I might add Ainz and replace Ezio

[solemn sage]

Brutus GBs was what my AThane GBs usually lost to

Ezio probably shouldn't be replaced he's good this debuff

[quartz salmon]

I just logged in an apparently I’m t76 with raku in my dim

[solemn sage]

His execution doesn't care about the damage debuff

[hasty scaffold]

@solemn sage So not Ezio? Not sure then who to replace

[solemn sage]

Replace abrutus

[hasty scaffold]

Noooo not my uwutus lol

[solemn sage]

Read the debuff lol

No shields at all this round

Brutus only has like 3 of his 5 skills in this debuff

[steady hill]

top 87

[frozen crest]

t27
thanks peach

[steady hill]

nicee can u compare swapping grez and oden place

[frozen crest]

compare? as in the wr for both scenarios?

[hasty scaffold]

Put Grez frontline I think

If you're using standard AGB

[frozen crest]

ah

[steady hill]

yea

i replaced grez with lucy cause theres a replay that lucy beats it

and theres a replay that alna gb beats alna gb atha

[peak widget]

ill dm him that leave him shaking in his boots

i thought ppl didnt use grez cause no shields on this debuff

[lusty jungle]

grez no shield, his skellymons got

[peak widget]

oh so his skellys get shield tho 😮

[novel vector]

Top 10%

Idk what's going on in my region

[lusty jungle]

yeap, vid is somewhere up there

[quaint isle]

Raku doesn’t work for you? Thought this debuff will be good for him as he gets time to ramp up

[lusty jungle]

i haz smol bren so i make rbs

[granite mason]

Atalene succ on this debuff

[lusty jungle]

know what else does ?

a vacuum cleaner

[frozen crest]

raku needs time to ramp up?

thats soemthing...

[jaunty pebble]

If I adjust my formation, how long before it changes

[granite mason]

When the next run starts

[jaunty pebble]

So where it says
Hero's begin scrambling in x hours

[opal bone]

Yes

What are you guys running for 3rd team?

[lilac bobcat]

Izoke op #1

[lusty jungle]

5 heroes and a pet

[opal bone]

Very witty, I must confess.

[lusty jungle]

dang it.. now you gave me an earworm

[novel vector]

[lilac bobcat]

What. Uncle izoke op

[novel vector]

Tell them to stop

I need to be higher than 10%

[zinc canyon]

estrilda mishka scarlet isn't good on this 1 uh

[lime zinc]

Mishka is good because her 9f bypasses energy deny, but Scarlet comp isn't and mainly relies on Mishka Wait that's HoE

[zinc canyon]

thinking of something else in place of scarlet

heroes that rely on normal attacks seem to do well.

or that have a good normal attack dmg.

[foggy pawn]

2 ainz how!

[lime zinc]

They're diff people

[opal bone]

[novel vector]

Thought everyone had 2 ainz

Isn't that what the guide says

[hasty scaffold]

2 Ainz or bust

[twilit gulch]

raku any good?

[storm moth]

tf is that 2nd team

[lusty jungle]

athane

[zinc canyon]

[lusty jungle]

still at 2 teams ?

[hasty scaffold]

Yes first day

[lusty jungle]

@zinc canyon what i been using

[lusty jungle]

ahh alrightys so prolly another 2 runs till 3 teams

[sage moat]

Wukong antandra did alright, pretty sure ill get them back in on later stages

[zinc canyon]

very strong.

[lusty jungle]

not really. just lucky, been putting rbs in to see what works

[potent parrot]

Alna Athane was 100% for me

[sage moat]

Yep switching to lucretia athalia or odyn for now

[sage moat]

No athane for me sadly

[potent parrot]

e80 brutus but no athane?

[sage moat]

Nah not spending so I'm only about halfway through saving for second awakened

[wide wasp]

Any changes i can make?

[quaint isle]

Replacing Mortas M20 with Ezio 203 seems like a bad decision for me. Ainz comp wr drops a lot 😦

[hasty scaffold]

Ezio needs his 9F. He is 209 minimum

[quaint isle]

Yeah, just think with damage reduce for 30s is enough for his energy to gone up

[wise lion]

this TS also reduces energy gain

[quaint isle]

Yeah you're right. Should think carefully next time

[lusty jungle]

gib ts 7 comps nao plox

[wise lion]

I haven't even figured out 3 teams yet

[lusty jungle]

i believe in you !

[wise lion]

[twilit gulch]

Newest kraken in town

[quaint isle]

such a huge mistake. Dropping from top 6% to 14% now. 😭

[twilit gulch]

It's ok, first 2 days don't rly matter

[quaint isle]

Anyone prepare for team 3 for tomorrow reset yet?

[hasty scaffold]

Server 1011? Is that even a week old?

[twilit gulch]

Give or take

R72 can't come fast enough

[vale imp]

we finally got out of r69 lol

That took way too long

[novel vector]

Only top 7%

Sadge

My region is stupid rn

[open gorge]

Whats the requirment to do this game mode

[twilit gulch]

Ch 23 or 24

[twilit gulch]

Aren't u with cidlax

[alpine grove]

What should I change in my ainz comp? It’s only at a 30% win rate (can’t do Albedo right now as I need to garrison her again)

[tame hinge]

Albedo needs to be in it.

I would try a different comp if you can't use albedo

[carmine shale]

Feels good to be in top 50, thank god for the region splits

[alpine grove]

I’m in region 41 and it seems to be one of the best regions in the game :/

[twilit gulch]

It's a really old region...

[alpine grove]

How did I even get into it I’m not an old player

[twilit gulch]

Over 2 years old by now

[alpine grove]

I started this past February

[twilit gulch]

You prob played before and didn't bother to change servers when you got back

[alpine grove]

Well that sucks

I don’t remember playing it at all. I just downloaded it in February and played it ever since

[twilit gulch]

Unless you selected an older server yourself

[junior robin]

Hello, I have a question about the pre-selection of the formations in the treasure race. Does the system remember the set formations separately for each debuff or are the formations taken from the same pool for each new round? I hadn't even paid attention to it before.

[untold hazel]

I believe they recently updated it so that they do remember the formations for the different TS debuffs now

[novel vector]

Yes

[wide wasp]

Any changes? My rates have been unlucky, and matchups unfair
... Just lost a battle agains #5 in r67...

[storm moth]

where joa

[novel vector]

I'm now in the 14%

[wide wasp]

I ttok a 3 month break of game, and when i came back, it was a week b4. Exchange

[novel vector]

Sad I tweaked my lineup and it's killing me

[storm moth]

what r

[storm moth]

sad

[novel vector]

56

[wide wasp]

Ok, so is there any changes i can make?

[storm moth]

maybe 1. arthur 2. bedo 3. ainz 4. rowan 5. idk raku?

[wide wasp]

My scarlet is realy built out, so... Maybe her?

[storm moth]

meh i would wait for 3 teams

[wide wasp]

So my teams are best for now

[storm moth]

and if you want her full power put her in mid

[novel vector]

Sad

[wide wasp]

Ok then?

[novel vector]

I'm about 70 points off of t100

[storm moth]

rowan doesnt do shit with that pos tho

[wide wasp]

Im top 6% in r67 but ill get to 3%, trust

[storm moth]

im t97

[wide wasp]

U told me to do scarlet middle?

[novel vector]

I'll probably end around t100 like I always do

[storm moth]

in 3 teams

[wide wasp]

Ohh

[junior robin]

@untold hazel I'm just irritated because the system for the latest debuff already gives me presets for 3/4 teams that remind me of last season

[novel vector]

My region has more competition than normal atm

[storm moth]

new debuff and shi

[untold hazel]

yeah this debuff is new so it pulls the most recent one

[lusty jungle]

reference t50

[languid charm]

Get albedo

[icy spruce]

So what are we thinking for team 3 if no awakens?

[steady hill]

wow now thats a bummer

@frozen crest wr reveal

[hasty scaffold]

Did you put in Grez in the other run?

[bright light]

what y’all running for 3rd team

[hasty scaffold]

I don't know

I'm 3 teams already but it didn't do so well

[vale imp]

I only have 3 matches at 3 teams so who knows how it's going to do

[hasty scaffold]

What are you running?

[vale imp]

Doing alna/luc, abrutus/dims, and thane/lbs or whatever that one is called. Had burst in, felt too early

Thinking burst will be team 4

Also, no steve and no me, I expect you to top 5 lol

[hasty scaffold]

Thanks. I don't know what to do with Thane. I did Alna GB Thane during team 2 and it did well but now not sure where to put him. My LBs are not built and I think the top whale right now has full e60 will just all slap them silly

[vale imp]

Hardly any matches so eh

Trying this instead

[vale imp]

Lucky you with only e60, sounds like e70 and e71 got the krakens

Top guy in 71 is about half e80+ on his top teams

[hasty scaffold]

Yeah 70 is stacked lels

Not jealous at all

[vale imp]

Lol 70 got Steve, glad neither of us landed there

[hasty scaffold]

The one with the Pippa pfp?

[vale imp]

Yeah

[frozen crest]

cant tell if it's better or worse but i did climb ranks

[steady hill]

interesting

went from top 87 to 16%

yesterday was pure L

[frozen crest]

f

[frozen crest]

gonna test scarlet cycle t3

[vale imp]

does cycle work with this debuff

[frozen crest]

probably not, but cant be too sure

[vale imp]

true, my reading of it made me think it wouldn't work but I've been wrong before

[twilit gulch]

Won't know until you try it out

[wise lion]

it's not totally dead but this field halves energy gain so...

prolly best for team 4 or later is my guess. unless u have swolise in which case idfk she seems to work anywhere

[icy spruce]

If cycle is t4 whats t3 without athane burst?

[twilit gulch]

If u don't have AThane burst might as well try cycle t3

Figure out something later for t4

[frozen crest]

new debuff we should just sacrifice our ranking testing random bullshit

[twilit gulch]

ye

im doing scarlet cycle

scarlet front

[frozen crest]

can anyone see their new division wr?

i dropped to low rank with 37% wr but i cant check it

guess scarlet aint that great

[twilit gulch]

I havent won a single fight with my cycle team

[steady hill]

Athane burst op

[lime zinc]

I think new div WR just drops because you only match vs other strong

[quaint isle]

You mean Zol, lucy and Athane?

[lime zinc]

I can run AwThane burst with 200e0 Zaph and M 20AwThane

[wide wasp]

30 more points till top 100🎉

Changed 3rd team to this

[steady hill]

no the other one

athane orthos est

[quaint isle]

Damn, I'm gonna use the same comp for the 3rd team then my dumb ass just forget Healus is in that team, gonna get a rough time

[frozen crest]

scarlet cycle really terrible, im gonna try copying t3 of a friend of mine who is still in t20(i dropped to t8x)

scarlet cycle lost to a fucking shemira comp

friend of mine just used bruteforce and randomly put carries, seems to be working for him though

if it doesnt perform well, im going to try running luc cycle next, though it is expected to be terrible too

[earnest phoenix]

Has anyone tried stall with this debuff?

[lime zinc]

It's probably good but I wouldn't run it this early unless whale version

[steady hill]

try 5 pull

some mf beat my lucy cycle with lucy 5 pull

[frozen crest]

let me try that after my friend gives his wr

[gusty valley]

Anybody considering something using Izold? I'm thinking with the damage reduction, he would have plenty of time to scale to unkillable, especially if combined with say Desira. Thinking something along the lines of Izold, Desira, Oden, (Hodkin?), (someone??)...

[dense lava]

He has to take damage in order to scale up.

[gusty valley]

But he will. Damage reduction isn't 100%.

[carmine shale]

Save Oden for main GB comp, but yeah it would work. Maybe izold, Isabella, hodgekin, desira, and uhh...twins?

[gusty valley]

Seem to have better luck with Athalia, Silas, Ferael backline...
(Athalia is MUCH better built though...)

[dense lava]

Less damage taken means less damage for him to heal and scale up slower. Its why you don't see even Krakens take him to e80.

[gusty valley]

Yes, normally he's not good in PvP. And yes, true, he'll scale slower. But for his Hypodermic Healing to stack, he only needs to lose 3%, so I think it should start stacking up early with the current debuff. Sure, not as fast as on full damage, but he also won't get insta-killed instead...

I'll test it as team six or something.

[nocturne token]

tried izold and wasnt impressed

[gusty valley]

Damn. =/

Well. There goes that creative idea then. 🙂

[nocturne token]

maybe good with later teams

my wr with "izold" team was 90%+ but basically it was asolise who cleared the fights

watched replays and saw izold basically too slow to do anything

so maybe, when more teams needed

[gusty valley]

Classic! "Walker is really good. Run him in Walker, Hendrik, AThane, Sonja, Haelus comp, and they win A LOT!" 😄

By the way. Anybody know who's decided winner if fight times out? Most damage? Most killed opponents? I mean, with current debuff, Orthros kind of scales into unkillable, but apparently you still lose.

[dusk tundra]

Any suggestion for the 3rd teams 🥲

[frozen crest]

what region are you in?

[dusk tundra]

I usually scarllet but scarllet sucks wirh this debuff

Only r70

[frozen crest]

my scarlet got 25% wr, cycle that is

[nocturne token]

orthros is still killable fyi. and its most killed opponents likely

[hasty scaffold]

You're in the kraken region xD

[dusk tundra]

Should i run 5 pull luc or smth

[dusk tundra]

Yeah lol

But i think i can get in top 100

100 days

[frozen crest]

how much have you spent?

[dusk tundra]

10k vip point to vip 12

[frozen crest]

i see

[hasty scaffold]

Raku is looking for a sponsor btw

[dusk tundra]

Usually scarler carry a team put now i cant run any formarion in TS with luc or scar @@

[hasty scaffold]

It's the new debuff, right now it's anyone's guess on which teams are good or not

[frozen crest]

also how is athane good in this debuff?

[gusty valley]

Wind Veil isn't shields?

[hasty scaffold]

Very very good. He forgot the memo that there is energy reduction

[frozen crest]

more on the damage reduc part

oh thane has energy reduc?

[gusty valley]

He does damage once the damage reduction wears off?

[hasty scaffold]

Zikis has higher WR than Luc. Who even runs Zikis

[gusty valley]

You mean his anti-debuff actually works against the energy recovery debuff??

[hasty scaffold]

I meant the energy recovery debuff. But just ignore what I said, it's early morning here and I haven't had my coffee

[gusty valley]

Uuum. Leofric? 🙂

[frozen crest]

t22->t33, gonna try 5p luc with mishka next

[bright light]

t34

why my ainz always sucks

[steady hill]

what comp ur friend is using

[frozen crest]

uh

[icy spruce]

You got M Mortas or 209 Ezio? Either would be fat upgrade

[frozen crest]

very weird comp, mishka rowan luc scarlet kren

probably a bad wr and ainz and gb is carrying but who knows

[worldly wedge]

I doubt this helps many people but for the whales who exist

[shut vessel]

You also need lvl 36 pets

[bright light]

M mortas better than arthur?

[icy spruce]

Yea should give you a good boost

Sorted by top 100 in all regions. Op unit

[frozen crest]

69 heh

[limpid lava]

What the hell

Any help?

I fell to 18%

Am I missing something hahahaha

[indigo epoch]

Grez is better than luc in alnagb

[steady hill]

gonna experiment this now

[steady hill]

this

[limpid lava]

Ohhh thanks

What about ainz comp

Seems a lot of you are getting better rates

[steady hill]

tbh i still dont know the best

it varries

[limpid lava]

And 3rd comp no help right

[steady hill]

it seems the most random bs comp wins

[indigo epoch]

Ezio good in ainz from what I've seen

[limpid lava]

I'll try this

[indigo epoch]

If you have him 209

[limpid lava]

Is this good placement or

[icy spruce]

Yea I think Mortas 200 or Ezio 209 > Leo

[lusty jungle]

t50 reference

[icy spruce]

30th R68. Tried something out with the L Wokelene, gonna try with 303 Desira next

[lilac bobcat]

What's with 5p

I forgot to set up my 3 teams

[granite mason]

someone tries Asolise+ Atalene pls

[lime zinc]

I keep getting HoE and TS buffa mixed up

[late horizon]

could someone show their f2p mostly teams?

dont have athalia athane zolrath etc

[icy spruce]

Mine above don’t use anything mentioned

[late horizon]

i have 3 teams formed

kind of needed next 2

[lime zinc]

For this debuff you prob aren't running Zol until 4 or 5 team anyway if you don't have a stacked AwThane/Zaph

[late horizon]

i only have luc alma mortas atalene built

[lime zinc]

The standard Scarlet team doesn't use Zol anyway

[late horizon]

how does the scarlet team look

[vale imp]

You talking this team? With lyca instead of Rosa ofc

[lime zinc]

Yeah that one, Zol sometimes takes Raine's slot because Mishka can steal the buff but in my experience Raine does better anyway

[late horizon]

i have mishka with raku and raine with luc idk

[lime zinc]

Using Raku without Zol?

[late horizon]

i domt have zol😔

i do have him E if that does anything

[lime zinc]

I meant like, why are you using Raku since you don't have Zol (or ig, what are you even running him with)

[late horizon]

ldv mishka eiron lyca

a humble 47 wr

[vale imp]

what's the luc team with raine?

[lime zinc]

ngl I don't even know what I should be running after 2 teams

[frozen crest]

https://tenor.com/view/random-bullshit-go-moon-knight-random-random-bullshit-gif-25725102

[frozen crest]

raku is bad w/o zol?

[lusty jungle]

3 teams.. doh

[lime zinc]

My region is a lot older so I've never seen him run other than on the Zol LDV team

[vale imp]

I avoid using him in ts so that's the only team I know as well

[lime zinc]

Ngl I don't even know what happens if you don't have enough teams set for the bracket you're in
Does it just auto fail...?

[frozen crest]

ic

[vale imp]

you get auto bs

[lime zinc]

oh lmoa

[vale imp]

it's pretty ugly lol, I made that mistake once

[sage badger]

i think i may be getting unlucky bc it seems like i’m only going up against ainz comps?

[lusty jungle]

rbs ftw

[dreamy adder]

Have we figured out good teams with the new debuffs yet

[frozen crest]

yes

[sacred notch]

We are literally on day 2

[frozen crest]

budget comp
1.alna grez
2.ainz

there you go

[sleek gull]

Don't use lucretia here

[frozen crest]

@steady hill 8 rounds so far luc 5p at 0% wr, let's see what happens in the morning

kekw fml

[solemn sage]

Luc cycle ain't it

[vale imp]

I wouldn't be surprised if cycle is a poor option, I'm saving it for team 6 or 7

Only 12 fights, not too different from last round tho

[sacred notch]

^^Theorycrafting, not definitive teams

[quartz salmon]

standart scarlet burst sucks ass

[twilit gulch]

Not bad so far

[sleek gull]

Those teams don't look built enough to have good win rates. Newer server ?

[storm moth]

ofc? also its 19 battles

[hard knot]

Any recommendations for teams? Most of pins and comps I see use heroes I still don’t have

[wide wasp]

Why athane not on RC?

[still heron]

Hes is on his rc

[hard knot]

I do have him. Was not sure as to in which team to put him tough

[still heron]

Day 1 was rough

[hasty scaffold]

I hate this debuff. Lilith cancel this nonsense

[wide wasp]

Thats good my 3rd team WR is 30%

[still heron]

Whats ur rank ?

[hasty scaffold]

4

[still heron]

Kraken

[still heron]

Show me ur teams, plz

[hasty scaffold]

I might switch back to Luc in team 1 was higher win rate last time

[still heron]

I think im dropping Brutussy for Ainz

[hasty scaffold]

Ainz not doing bad ngl

[vale imp]

My rates, might go back to burst and see if that does better for thane

[spark prism]

Is the zolrath team any good without athane? My normal comp (basically burst) was in the 30%

[lime zinc]

Doesn't seem good this debuff

[steady hill]

rip

[gloomy lichen]

Does joan work at 203 or need e30?

[lime zinc]

I don't think she's better than well-invested Arthur before e30, but if you don't have Arthur then yeah she works

[frozen crest]

absolutely terrible

t33>t51

[lusty jungle]

t50 reference

[polar dune]

top 1 angle

I have absolutely no idea what im doing

[lusty jungle]

sasuga senpai, without doing anything rank1

https://tenor.com/view/akari-mizunashi-clap-aria-anime-happy-gif-22547013

[polar dune]

random hero go

[steady hill]

hmm what is the best route? im always taking right side

[fallow cave]

Doesn’t that just depend on what route everyone else takes? Also anyone tried luc cycle for TS this round? Mine hasn’t done so well lol

[quaint isle]

I find this debuff very tough. It feels like it only works when you got optimal investment.

Change burst AThane into this variant comp and going from 10% to 22% today 😥

[lime zinc]

24% using AwThane LBs
(Albeit super low Haelus)

[quaint isle]

Yeah, the difference between optimal investment and minimum investment is huge (the last two debuffs won't see this kind of difference). I also see Scarlet burst and Luc cycle comp in top 100 but when I tried it out, usually drop into top 15~20%. Lower investment always get lower rank, but this kind of difference is somewhat unlike the last two cycles

[lime zinc]

Luc cycle sucks, it's just thete because we collectively have no idea

I just swapped to Scarlet burst myself, saw some ss at ~40-50% so it's a boost over trash burst or cycle

[quaint isle]

I get that we have no idea, but if top 100 using it, it's kind of viable. Not dropping into 20% range viable though 😦

[lime zinc]

I only see it t100 if they also have 3 AWs lol

[quaint isle]

probably has a lot more whales than my regions 😂

[lime zinc]

Probably just older too

[fallow cave]

What r you using for scarlet burst?

[lime zinc]

Just using the standard Mishka/Estrilda/Lyca/Scarlet/Raine

[fallow cave]

Thanks!

[quaint isle]

Can you show your wr and heroes investment?

[lime zinc]

Well the WR will be scuffed since I only just set it (low sample size)

[quaint isle]

we got around 40 battles already right? Probably enough data

[lime zinc]

oh

Lemme check and see how badly it did

Pretty horrible too (my cycle and burst were in the teens for WR tho)

I have no idea what a non-whale should be running this TS

I haven't tried Scarlet cycle yet ig, but I imagine it's just as bad as Luc

[fallow cave]

I guess since debuff is energy related then cycle is trash for ts rn

[quaint isle]

Have very similar experience. I just confused because there're these type of comps in top 100 in my region.

[fallow cave]

I’m trying out burst comp w zolrath mishka lyca astar but I don’t have audrae so subbing in idk. Raku or athane? Lol

[lime zinc]

Wouldn't use Raku unless with LDV, I tried that comp first and it was doing really badly

Although these comps might get a lot better with more teams

[fallow cave]

Ah alright. Then I’ll just use athane instead of audrae QQ

Bc idk how else to use him for this rd

[frozen crest]

random bs seem to work well
t51>t33

not sure if i should do merlin over ldv given that i dont have 9f

[storm moth]

[gloomy lichen]

This works for me

10% to t100

[lusty jungle]

6teams t50 reference

[gloomy lichen]

Nice 6%

[lusty jungle]

rbs gooooo

[steady hill]

sux to have a bad ezizh

[lusty jungle]

try a raku burst with ezio instead mb

[solemn sage]

I forgot to swap Luc cycle out

[lime zinc]

rip

[steady hill]

hows ur 3rd team

[solemn sage]

Still top 30 off back of AThane team though

[lime zinc]

Mortas in dims instead then?

[solemn sage]

Gonna try a krennefer team for 4th, probably awful but idfk what else to use

[lime zinc]

It's like some garbage defeated another garbage and ate it

20% wr with Scarlet burst

60% overall wr is decent tho

[lusty jungle]

nah i mean since peach already running dims mortas

[lime zinc]

ah

[opal bone]

How does 5p Lucy do, need her for 4th team.

[storm moth]

lucy 5p is a thing this debuff?

wtf

[opal bone]

I'm sure any Lucy team beats random bs go.

[storm moth]

yeah fair

[frozen crest]

very very very dogshit

most peoples 3rd team, testing bs, are 20-30%

my luc5p yielded 10%

[opal bone]

Well ofc she will be bad in 2 or 3 team. But if she gets even 20% that's pretty good for a 4th team.

[low iron]

Yeah, like, here I was worried because my 3rd team was hitting about 50% but this is just a painful debuff for a lot of heroes it seems - so even a normally bad % seems at least okay for testing here. Depends on region too though.

[low iron]

Lucy and Scarlet seem to be having it particularly rough this round though - outside of the pairing of Lucy with Alna but then Grez seems to get a better WR usually because his skeletons seem to ignore the no-shield.

[twilit gulch]

nice e80 awakeneds

[storm moth]

what the fuck

[frozen crest]

chill your pepperonis

[storm moth]

no

[frozen crest]

tf people actually play with sounds on

[main plover]

Damn respect. His team has so much more power but you obliterated him

[frozen crest]

bear big whale confirmed

sponsor me

[hasty scaffold]

Can you show the battle report. I wonder if he even put something in his tree 💀

[low iron]

His tree is there if you pause quickly - Lv94 with 25/25/27/25/20. As opposed to Bear's Lv44 with 5/15/26/15/15.

[hasty scaffold]

Thank's I'm blind. Yeah it's a good win bear

[frozen crest]

thats some whale tree

[hasty scaffold]

Like david and goliath level

[frozen crest]

so the saying is true, the bigger the whale the smaller the brain

[still heron]

Damn his tree is trash lol

[storm moth]

[still heron]

Its true

[storm moth]

yeah it is

[low iron]

He was too busy whaling cores and ToT cards that he couldn't bother with tree juice.

[still heron]

Whats ur Region?

[storm moth]

69 prob

[frozen crest]

he 71 iirc

[twilit gulch]

Yea I'm in 71

[twilit gulch]

F2P

[lime zinc]

Basically Ainz is insane this TS

Also their comp does look pretty scuffed

[civic sage]

Luc5p is no

I'm running this at 3 teams and I’m back to t100 though

[opal bone]

Anasta

[civic sage]

Anasta OP

[opal bone]

I still don't have her on furn list.

No room.

[storm moth]

why no joa tho

[civic sage]

Mine is still not 3F

[storm moth]

oh fair

[opal bone]

[civic sage]

Make room for her

[cold ridge]

@civic sage pls post again after 50 fights

[storm moth]

scarlet cycle is also a no btw

[civic sage]

yh sure

[civic sage]

I was tempted to run cycle but it seemed like people who tried it got poor results

[storm moth]

idk what to do bruh

fuck this debuff

[cold ridge]

Thx - my burst is also at 60% now, but I think this will change a lot in the coming fights

[still heron]

Still no Alna

[civic sage]

LDV Raku

[storm moth]

im ldv-less

[civic sage]

That's on purpose

my GB comp is 70% rn with Grez/Luc frontline

[still heron]

My Alna+Lucretia+GB's are 81 %

[storm moth]

wait untill you have to split

[civic sage]

I just put Anasta there, she solves all problems

[storm moth]

where your alna rn?

[civic sage]

0 copies, I am going for Haelus first

[storm moth]

wtf bro

you said that you gonna go for alna because of ts no?

[vale imp]

lmao another week another person asking Asta about alna

[civic sage]

[storm moth]

its a traditon at this point lmao

[still heron]

[cold ridge]

That‘s very low for this debuff and your region. If you finally have Alna: Put her in

My AlnaGB is currently at 88%

[civic sage]

I was just joking

[shy ibex]

happy with my current 3 teams

[novel vector]

I might be doomed until the end of this event

[shy ibex]

im rank 14 atm smh

[cold ridge]

Haelus before Alna? Wow

[shy ibex]

reached 4 teams alrdy

[lapis moth]

Wouldn't it be better to run merlin at the front in dim comps

[sage badger]

burst comp w athane doesn’t seem to be doing too hot :/

top4%*

[lime zinc]

That'd still be like 70% overall WR if your Ainz was at 80%

[sage badger]

seems like my ainz comp keeps getting met with GB so i think it’s just unlucky?

[lime zinc]

Might just be an unlucky streak

[sage badger]

i tried the Abrutus variant but it seemed to do worse than ainz

[quartz salmon]

Welp

[lime zinc]

This TS is going to get super weird at 5 teams, because the majority of your teams will be trash

[quartz salmon]

I feel like this TS is more for end game players & whales

[lime zinc]

Maybe one day I'll reach endgame

[quartz salmon]

You don’t consider yourself at end game already ?

[lime zinc]

Just joking because I'm really weak for this TS too

[quartz salmon]

Ah okok i get it

I thought you were saying spending 10k to get to chap50 was endgame

Why does raku team suck so much tho, Lyca Mishka Raku doesn’t need energy

LDV is kinda useless ig

[lime zinc]

Because my team 3 wr is so horrendously bad I can freely test out other stuff
It can't get any worse

[quartz salmon]

Ouch, rank?

[twilit gulch]

Rip I forgot to setup my 4 teams

[lime zinc]

Dropped to 6% just now, was 2% before

[quartz salmon]

Im trying to find a 4th team atm

Ouf that’s rough

[lime zinc]

I'll just run something I tried at 3 team, it'll be terrible but there's pretty much no options

It's mostly just 'pray teams get less shit when they have a better chance at not vsing an actually good team'

[quartz salmon]

I was 27th yesterday which is my best ranking ever, I was kinda hoping to fine something good to get back in the race but everything feels trash

[quartz salmon]

Exactly Lmao

[lime zinc]

In the 1st kill TS buff I find LDV burst has shit WR at 3-5 team but suddenly gets better than Luc cycle at 6 and later

[shy ibex]

eh seemed fine as f2p at 3 teams

[quartz salmon]

Yeah LDV is busted after 6 team, luc cycle I always struggle with cause twins die first quite often I think

[lime zinc]

I only tried preexisting comps but they were all 20% or worse

[quartz salmon]

Scarlet burst is worst than scarlet cycle tho right?

[lime zinc]

My Scarlet cycle did worse, I think Scarlet cycle needs e60 Haelus or maybe AwTalene

[quartz salmon]

Oh, that’s interesting, my scarlet team got 15% more wr just by replacing ezizh instead of Raine

[lime zinc]

I got 10% scarlet cycle, 20% scarlet burst

[quartz salmon]

But yes Haalus does seems necessary for a decent wr

Hm yeah, well my scarlet is kinda over invested so I got 30% burst and 40% cycle

[lime zinc]

I don't have anything above 9f or e60

[quartz salmon]

My scarlet is 309e66

Only e60 I have

[civic sage]

Change that Team 3

If you’re running LDV Raku I’d put a secondary dps

[quartz salmon]

Kren is shit right?

[lime zinc]

Kren doesn't deal dmg without ult

[quartz salmon]

I’m so lost with this debuff

Yeah but I don’t know what’s else to put

[civic sage]

No…..

Blindly following what other ppl say will get you nowhere

Try it out yourself

[quartz salmon]

I’d like to make luc team work

[lime zinc]

The younger your region the more things will be viable

[quartz salmon]

True

[quartz salmon]

I mean your right, but I’m definitely less aware of skills than the average player, so I prefer to gather info rather to go with instinct

[shy ibex]

i mean its new debuff

u just need to figure out whats good

my burst had 65% win rate

[lime zinc]

Hard to test stuff when it's all uninvested

[civic sage]

You are definitely more aware then the average player which is why I’m telling you that

[quartz salmon]

Stop I’m gonna blush 😳😳

[cold ridge]

Alna joke at the tip of the tongue

[lusty jungle]

6 teams t50 reference

[shell jungle]

how well do you think an L newlene will do for that team 2

[lusty jungle]

you need to believe

but i think L wolene wont do much

[gloomy lichen]

From t100 to 4% with the same team

[frozen crest]

33>37
luc is too shite im not gonna bother with her anymore

[red apex]

Top 69 , r14 for reference

[lime zinc]

[shell jungle]

i mean that team is iffy in itself

[gloomy lichen]

still cant figure out good 3rd team. hate this TS lol

[bright light]

not bad, but still can’t get t50

didn’t even change anything from last debuff

[storm moth]

since when your region is easier than mine

[frozen crest]

when we split into 3

also feels like the winrate doesnt matter since even if you get stable 60% you might drop in rank

[storm moth]

bruh

[lime zinc]

20330 Estri, 30960 Mish, 30930 Lyca, 30960 Scarlet, 203 Raine and it's at 10% WR

[lusty jungle]

6 teams t50 reference rbs gogogo

[frozen crest]

t37>33 dunno why i keep getting t33, this seem to be the most stable for now
t4 possibly runnable during 3 teams

[civic sage]

@cold ridge 50 battles and the Anasta comp is 36%

But so is Scarlet

[bright light]

what’s Anasta comp?

[steady hill]

anasta really promising

[cold ridge]

Thanks Asta. My burst (LdV Raku) is at 38% if I weigh the 38 and 12 matches in respective categories. In newest (4 teams) it‘s even at 42%

[steady hill]

im using her on 4th team

might use ldv raku anasta

[storm moth]

t96 lel

[cold ridge]

What Scarlet comp are u using? Standard?

[civic sage]

Standard like the other debuffs

Mishka Estrilda Raine Scarlet Lyca

I’m not sure if I should be making modifications to the comp

[cold ridge]

Ok, this one sucks for me (26%)

[civic sage]

Yeah I might swap it out

Maybe Scarlet Cycle 🤔

[bright light]

Cycle was bad at 3 teams, ig it’s worth a try at 5-7 teams

[solemn sage]

Luc desira cycle is okay

[twilit gulch]

T58, new region tho so might not work if yours is older

[frozen crest]

hmm so luc cycle looks promising, let me try it

[solemn sage]

Specifically with desira

With Haelus it was only 25%

[lime zinc]

I'm at 25% with Luc cycle reg Talene, Haelus was 15%

I'd try desi but mine's only 203

[little folio]

T10

[quartz salmon]

Oden front is better you think?

[storm moth]

idk i have tried it now and gonna go back to grez front

[sage moat]

Reg 7 #86 last teams kinda experimenting

[lilac bobcat]

This is why you don't flex atalene this ts

Atalene makes your team die faster

[steady hill]

team 4 looks promising dont mind the lucy cycle i forgot to change it

[gloomy lichen]

Anyone with better scarlet cycle variant?

[lime zinc]

Luc surprised me at 4 team

[steady hill]

replace haelus with desi

[gloomy lichen]

Ty. Will try next round

[burnt ocean]

i want a guide for best comp plz

[steady hill]

seems desira is op this TS

[sage moat]

Ill try that out for 12h

[sacred notch]

Since this is a new buff, no one knows definitively

[burnt ocean]

ok then, what are the best heroes for ts?

[storm moth]

all of them

[burnt ocean]

walker?

Ulmus?

[solemn sage]

Ainz team, alna GBs team and AThane team are the only good "normal" teams

And asolise burst if you're a whale

[storm moth]

what team is with new nemora?

[solemn sage]

Mishka zol asolise zaph audrae

[burnt ocean]

new nemora?

who is she?

what is a AThane team?

[solemn sage]

Normal AThane team is Sonja Estrilda Haelus AThane Hendrik

[storm moth]

canisa and ruke lmao

its more of a nemora brutus hybrid but eh

[sullen zenith]

Does AThane work at L?

[sacred notch]

Definitely not

[hasty scaffold]

Not in PvP

[solemn sage]

Kraken stuff

[storm moth]

robo got outplayed smh

[smoky obsidian]

Got treznor at 209e00. Worth taking 309e60 for TS? I've got plenty of resources I've been hoarding and was wondering about his uses now he's not used in ainz comp

[storm moth]

i dont see him much ngl

[smoky obsidian]

Looks like audrae is used fairly often though as well as a bit in CR. Is she viable? More visibility than Frampton maybe?

[gusty valley]

Well. Tested stall. Didn't really believe it would work, but HOLY HELL WAS I........right. It's hot garbage with this debuff...

Hmm. Wonder if OldTalene would have been better than ATalene. ATalene:s steal-health-for-shield probably isn't all that optimal with this debuff...

(Anyway. Stall numbers were abysmal, so, don't think it would have changed anything...)

[tame hinge]

I think Audrae is also the main carry of celestial tower so that's some too I guess.

[gusty valley]

If you read a single skill description, of a single hero, as opposed to just following the visual guides and tier lists on reddit, you probably have better knowledge of hero skills than the average player. 😄

[storm moth]

audrae used in burst afaik

[smoky obsidian]

Worth going for as dolphin?

I almost have 1000 pulls available for SG, and I'm weighing my options between new hypo, audrae, or saving

[sage moat]

U did this to me

Tbh its probably the 20/30si 6/9furn on anasta

[storm moth]

how tf does it have 0%

[storm moth]

meh i dont think so

i could be wrong tho

[steady hill]

bruh

0%

hmmm i still cant find a decent 3rd team lol

[steady hill]

i think anasta needs 9f cause thats where her dmg reduc comes from

[sage moat]

Yep, games been stingy on her funiture for me

[low iron]

For what it's worth, regular Talene's ultimate heals her team on it's first use but is suicide because her shredding her health into a non-existent shield makes her die instantly to the next attack.

Meanwhile ATalene kills the rest of her team instead.

[frozen crest]

t33>31

[lusty jungle]

6 teams t50 reference

[gusty valley]

Yeah, suicide part’s still pretty bad, but atleast she revives. Rest of the team doesn’t. 😄

[earnest phoenix]

Any comps using ATalene this time?

[icy spruce]

Seen Lucretia cycle with ATalene > Haelus do well. Front line ATal with Lucretia

[gusty valley]

Nopes, getting garbage numbers on LucCycle with Desira aswell... Kind of at a loss about what to try next...

[gusty valley]

My Oden's not built though...

Or, well, doesn't have E60.

[frozen crest]

t31>46. last 10 battles were rough

[hasty scaffold]

I’m in 5 teams and it’s rough. I don’t know what teams to put in this debuff

[still heron]

Same

[storm moth]

just forget about this debuff and move on

[gusty valley]

I mean, the only positive takeaway, as still in top30 after rounds with 6%wr stall and 20%wr cycle, is that we’re obviously no the only ones struggling. 😄

[vagrant gull]

you can't go more than top 6 % without Awe heros

[storm moth]

ofc you can? it depends on your region

[vagrant gull]

29, feels impossible

Maybe skill issue

[icy spruce]

Top 100 every TS with no awakens R68

older regions are just ass for non whales

[vagrant gull]

I hate PvP

But goos rewards

[icy spruce]

yea with the CR nerfs I'm just gonna go full TS focus and try and stay where I am

[gusty valley]

As long as you’ve played consistently I’m not sure it’s worse than newer rgeions. Sure, everybody’s more built, but that goes for f2p aswell. In R14 myself, and as far as I can tell, it’s not worse or better than most other regions…

[vagrant gull]

i have terrible experience in PvP because of whales tbh, happy i can still hang myself up to top 50 in challengers

[icy spruce]

The longer you whale, the bigger the discrepancy becomes over time. I can keep top 100 with basically just campaign teams in my region. Definitely not gonna see that on older regions for their f2p players and they up until recently have had no incentive to build pvp units at all. Much more CR leaning on their accounts I imagine.

[solemn sage]

When you go old enough there's fewer krakens though

I'm in R2 and outside of the top 5 there's no huge accounts

R1 is a fair bit more whale though

[gusty valley]

Not too sure about that, and it's probably a bit random between regions, but if you look at the winners in LC in R31-32, the amount of all-white-five-star awakened/celepogean heroes look pretty similar to the winners in early regions.

[storm moth]

thats because r1 top1 looks good i would imagine

[solemn sage]

Well I'm R1 for LC

[icy spruce]

Well that's because every region has krakens. I'm not talking about competing for LC, I'm talking about ease of getting top 100 TS.

In that case is it MUCH easier in newer regions

[solemn sage]

Scramble has smaller regions so I'm R2 there

[gusty valley]

I'm not f2p, but by no means a Whale (vip 12, after three years+ of play). I've managed top100 in every single TS so far.

[icy spruce]

That's great. Never said it can't be done!

[hasty scaffold]

There’s definitely easier and more Whaley regions

[solemn sage]

I'm consistently just outside of top 20 which is frustrating since it's the biggest reward increase

[gusty valley]

Thing is, in the older regions, you've had plenty of time, even as f2p, to rack up a decent amount of celeopgeans, and also have high RC, meaning you get far in the towers and get quite a bit of time emblems, so wouldn't surprise me if there's f2p:s with two fully built awakened heroes...

[icy spruce]

Whales get the exact same amount of time and are spending money the whole time. Goes both ways

[gusty valley]

Yes, ofc. But they are few, and given how much money some ppl seem to be willing to spend in short enough time, there's also a limit of what money will buy you. Once you have all relevant heroes at max, it kind of doesn't matter how old your account is...

[gusty valley]

Yeah, never made top20, not even close. My team 6/7 just isn't good enough so far...

[icy spruce]

Top 20 the dream

[gusty valley]

That and the RO64 frame. Probably about as far as you could get without whale-level investment.

(In pvp that is...)

[solemn sage]

My investment is kinda whale

But still constantly playing catch-up

Build ABrutus, ASolise comes out

If awakened GB isn't that good for pvp I'll build solise and have a fighting chance for a bit

But they'll probably be OP too

[gusty valley]

Yeah. I hate Brutus, and I don't just mean facing him in PvP, I pretty much dislike the entire character, both the old one and the new, so really hope to get by without having to build him. Would major-suck!

"I'm going to spend a shitload of resources building a character I dislike."

Was soooooo hoping Brutus would turn out to be OP-CursedRealm only (hate CR as well, so no bother there...).

[solemn sage]

Abrutus dims is strongest PvP team we've had in a very long time sadly

At least in scramble it's not quite as dominant as it is in LC

[gusty valley]

Yes.... I know.... 😒

[gusty valley]

Also, in scramble, it's still just one team. In LC, it can pretty much just take out every opposing team alone...

Though the R14 LC winner ran something spicey, which gives a bit of hope. Alna, ABrutus, Tarnos, Skreg, Ezio - that seems to be pretty much a hard counter to teh ABrutus Dims team, and then Albedo, Jean, ASolise, Merlin, Canisa&Ruke as "main" team.

[icy spruce]

If the GB isn't both really good in TS and also interesting I'll probably pull for Thane because he fits both of those for me.

[low iron]

It is worth saving if you don't have enough cards yet to guarantee an A-Ascended so I wouldn't pull yet when we're so close to the aGB - but, to be fair, at the moment aThane can have his own team that doesn't really take heroes from other teams and has proven good in all 3 TS's - and with 7 teams, he'll have use in TS for a likely very long time.

[sacred notch]

T67 r62

[wide wasp]

Anyone wanna make me 4 teams, cause Randon Bullshit isnt working

[polar dune]

def some really stack region where top 20 would be easily be top 1 in another region

[shy ibex]

my region is stacked

[polar dune]

but thats where the fun in TS

[shy ibex]

[polar dune]

can always experiment @solemn sage

[misty epoch]

Luc cycle seem to be doing okay today, forgot to set 5 teams though fml

R64, rank 43 atm

[wide wasp]

plz

[quartz salmon]

You can copy this
t89

[wide wasp]

arthur instead of JoA

who instaed of alna?

and desira e+?

[quartz salmon]

nah desira needs +20 but you can do another healer probably

daimon for alna but that will probably get you 60% wr

[wide wasp]

ill do astar

[quartz salmon]

and yeah arthur instead of JoA is fine

if you do have her 203e30 then JoA 100%

[wide wasp]

and i have no LDV and alna only L+

[quartz salmon]

just put all your dims for ainz team + mortas (+ numisu if you ahve 3 dims)

and dotn put alna she's gonna tank your wr

daimno front is ok ish I think but hard to tell cause new buff

[wide wasp]

i have AAA and thats it

[quartz salmon]

yeah thats ok imo

aizn isnt too good anyways

[wide wasp]

Who last one?

[quartz salmon]

yeah thats a tricky one

I was lookign at your box im not sure

[wide wasp]

.

[wide wasp]

kren...?

[quartz salmon]

Kren sucks without ult but idk what else you can put in there tbh

[civic sage]

Probably Desira instead of Astar here

[wide wasp]

e+desira?

[civic sage]

I would try it

[wide wasp]

isnt astar supposed to be good?

[civic sage]

Astar will do low dps with that investment and shielding is inactive during the buff

[wide wasp]

ok

i can take my desira to M tho... i have all th food , and all the emblems forsi20 , and shes good in TR

[wide wasp]

nvm ... im at si19 with 45/50

[civic sage]

Well, she'll probably still do well

[wide wasp]

ill just push to next TRift lvl

[restive goblet]

3 fights left

[wide wasp]

🎉

[sage badger]

lol im in a similar boat at 3 left

[gusty valley]

AlnaGB carryin hard! 😄

(Also 57% on Ainz-team off-screen...)

[wide wasp]

that mishka team

[sacred notch]

So is it just gb Ainz and then hope for the best on the other comps if no Whane?

[twilit gulch]

Pretty much

I think some ppl made burst work tho

[sage badger]

top 78 in r12

[gusty valley]

I think really built burst works, not because burst works, but just because the heroes in there are pretty f:in strong even when they don't win in 5 seconds. Also, zolrath have plenty of time to ramp Annihilate.

[sage badger]

i agree tbh like ur burst needs to be fairly beefy to work

[gusty valley]

Yeah. It's usually Lyca, but since early haste is pretty much useless, I tgought more healing+cc would be better. I was wrong... Again...

(I don't really have built burst, as you may have guessed from the Nemora... 🙂 )

[sage badger]

maybe instead of the sonja comp for athane, put him in burst, seems to do well for me

[gusty valley]

I mean. WokeBrutus works, but he kind of steals the dims from Ainz, and with the current debuff, Ainz seems to work equally well, if not better. And WokeBrutus-invade stuff and similar doesn't seem all that strong with this debuff either. Think some WokeSolise-cycle seemed to do OK aswell. Not spectacularly, the once I've seen/faced, but OK.

[sage badger]

i put wokebrutus in GB mainly bc i don’t have built athalia, and it raised my WR about 5%

[gusty valley]

That sonja comp is a bit of an experiment. Talene + Haelus version did much better.

[sage badger]

what’s that comp? i have a 30960 healus and a 30930 talene

probs gonna change athane with maybe LDV or lorsan on 5 team

[gusty valley]

It's the meta AThane comp, but I don't have Orthros built, so I sub Talene.

Talene, Hendrik, AThane, Sonja, Haelus.

[sage badger]

gotcha

[fading osprey]

I play ABrutus in full mauler and it's working ok tho I have invested a lot in them

[misty epoch]

What kind of investment do Szonja and Hendrik need for AThane team?

[gusty valley]

Talene is, in theory bad, since she suicides when she turns her health into no shield. And Haelus is in theory bad because shields are a big part of his kit aswell. But in practise they are still stronhger than many alternatives it would seem...

[misty epoch]

I know that for rift Szonja is fine at SI20 but what about PvP?

[gusty valley]

It's PvP, the more the better. 🙂

[misty epoch]

Fair enough

[gusty valley]

But I honestly don't think they need all that much.

[sage badger]

hendrik i think is 200

but 203 is nice

[gusty valley]

Atleast not Hendrik. But sonja probably gets quite a bit better with build. Her buffs increase quite a lot.

[sage badger]

u think talene is better than atalene?

[misty epoch]

I see, thanks

[sage badger]

since they both rely on shielding

i got a 30930 talene. and a 309 Atalene

[gusty valley]

In this debuff, probably. ATalene kills her team by stealing health and converting it into no shield...

...then again, ATalene is strong, so she might be better even though it seems bad on paper...

[fading osprey]

I tested a few teams with Atalene and she mostly useless

[sage badger]

gotcha

[gusty valley]

But, the important build is AThane, since he's more or less his own team...

[sage badger]

yeah exactly lol

i have 3 maybe 4 if i’m lucky pulls for gazer, should i go for a A athalia or ezizh? both are M+20 rn, but ezizh does have 2/9 furn rn

not having athalia built prevents her from being used in TS/TR but ezizh is the weakest link in cycle

any suggestions?

[gusty valley]

Athalia is either BUILT or useless, i m h o.

She's a monster in PvP if built, but she needs all the stats she can get.

[sage badger]

exactly, mines useless rn, have about half of the red chests needed for si30, and ~by the time i get her A* i’ll have e30

[gusty valley]

(30/9/E80 Athalia Burst-kills similar level and build Ainz, through Albedo protection with bleed. 20/3 Athalia does nothing and dies...)

[sage badger]

i’d atleast get her 309e30

[gusty valley]

Yeah, that's probably minimum, unless used as a initial stun/distraction only with the dive.

[sage badger]

but i’m still 2 copies short (with good luck) and about 170 chests away

so should i just sit on these cards and diamonds for a bit? or ascend ezizh for cycle

[misty epoch]

Yeah, I got him 309e60, just wondering what the investment other heroes require 😄

[gusty valley]

I'm kind of bad at giving advice, depends on the rest of your teams. Also, Athalia is one of my pet heroes. Soo...

[sage badger]

gotcha i appreciate it, i’ll probs hold off for a little until some consensus is reached about the new hypo hero, and if i need to rush build them or not

[gusty valley]

(Honestly, if you've focused resources into cycle, it's probably better to get that team complete first. Half-built teams usually fare quite poorly in PvP. So better to have fewer really built teams, than several half-built ones...)

Also, as far as I can tell, Athalia is better in AlnaGB than Oden, but only if she's highly built, and many have Oden built anyway...

[sage badger]

yeah oden is 30960,
for cycle my lucy is 30980, ezizh is M+20, twins is 20933, rowan is 3080, healus is 30960

[gusty valley]

(My Athalia is 5star 35/18/E80. Likely not the most effective investment... 🙂 )

[sage badger]

so it’s built, but ezizh is def holding the team back

lol

[gusty valley]

Yeah. With that Oden, Ezizh is probably much better first build...

Athalia at 30/9/E30 is probably better than Oden in GB, but she probably needs to be there somewhere really...

[sage badger]

or tbh i wait until GB awakened comes out and use all tot cards and diamonds on them lol

yeah makes sense

i’ll wait a little to see where things go

bc ezizh would make 1 team stronger, but athalia would allow me to use her in TS/TR/tower which is kinda huge so both have their uses sadly :/

[gusty valley]

Yeah. They all have their uses... 🙂

[wide wasp]

Astar is bad w this debuff

[misty epoch]

I'd recommend getting twins to e38 for a bit of extra haste, the upper major node has haste as secondary

[gusty valley]

Kind of. She still does reasonable damage, but her shielding obviously isn't optimal... 🙂

...but I don't really know who to use instead...

[sage badger]

ig i can do that next, the defense isn’t bad either tbh

[sage badger]

i decided to put lorsan in instead of lyca

[gusty valley]

Yeah... My Lorsan is kind of a weakling....

[sage badger]

same, mine is 203

but the link is pretty good still

[gusty valley]

...I build what I like, not necessarily what's meta. I suffer a bit for it sometimes... 🙂

[sage badger]

lol fair tho

[misty epoch]

Forgot to setup 5 teams, still managed to stay in top 50, a bit lucky

But tbf only did 9 battles in 5 teams

[gusty valley]

That's why my Zikis is 30/9/E60 while Zaphrael is E... I mean. Zikis has taken laziness, turned into art, and weaponized it. What's not to like. 😈

[gusty valley]

Speaking of Zaphrael. He's kind of on my to-build-list. But I'm honestly starting to question if it's even worth building meta-burst anymore (need to build Zaph + Audrae from pretty much zero, so kind of an investment...). It's still kind of strong, but feels like pretty much everything is focused around Awakened + supports/enablers at the moment. What does ppl think?

[misty epoch]

I was in the same spot, deciding between Morael and Zap, just went with Morael since like you said burst require also Audrae

Morael seemed like a safer bet for me

[gusty valley]

Burst just feels like another comp getting rolled over by ABrutus+Dims t b h. And I don't think Zaph + Audrae goes into all that many other comps. (Good in tower though, obv...)

[misty epoch]

Although I am quite behind in CR so idk lol

[gusty valley]

I don't care about CR. Hated the game mode from the beginning. So that simplifies things... 😄

[lime zinc]

Morael is only used in CR

[misty epoch]

Tower too I think?

But main carry is Audrae

[lime zinc]

Fac tower? Maybe

[icy spruce]

Got top 50 with this somehow, feels like I can’t make anything with positive wr other than GB and Ainz this debuff

[icy spruce]

Same, so glad this came out when CR got nerfs so I don’t feel like I need to build for cr for progress

[viscid hare]

I concur and also vouch for built Athalia in this team. Mine is just 30/9/E60 yet beastly. Very good compared to before when i was using Oden. I did notice a difference from e30 to e60 as well.

[lime zinc]

Somehow my Atha was getting a little better WR than Oden (both same invest, only diff is stars)

[viscid hare]

I was wondering why this TS burst seems to not be doing too good

[gusty valley]

Because of the damage reduction in the debuff. Inktially, teams does close to zero damage, and then damage reduction wears off gradually. So burst kind of doesn’t do any burst damage…

[viscid hare]

So I'm tryin to think what i should do instead.. like should i take ABrutus out of A-Team and put him with Anasta and Framton etc instead of Bursty? I know I'll probably have to use something else later on, too

[earnest phoenix]

Flirted with top 100 off and on today, but alas, I ended in 2% for region 3.

[sacred notch]

We get round 1 rewards at reset?

If so then I'm chilling, finished 66th

Didn't touch my teams at all 😎

[hasty scaffold]

Yep rewards day

[twilit gulch]

Tragic 5 teams

[steady hill]

nice finally decent calcu ranking

[novel vector]

I'm just gonna wait til 7 teams to try on this one lol

[lusty jungle]

7 teams t50 reference

[lime zinc]

Got 1.11% for weekly lol

T4 is legit trash but GBs going insane with nearly 90% (you'd hope 4 30960s would do well)

[lime zinc]

Oh damn I need to try that T3

[viscid hare]

I just set it to give it a shot as well

[sour glacier]

you're right, win % isn't the best metric. As you climb your win % gets lower as you face more whales. I fluctuate between #5 and #10 and at 5 my win % is pretty low but at 10 it's high, and while climbing during the first few days it's really high. Day 1 it's usually 100% but my ranking is low, usually around 2-5%, not even top 100.

[lime zinc]

WR is a metric for your given ranking, something you look at within a context

[low iron]

Yeah^ If you're above top 100, teams that seem ridiculous could have a much higher win rate and their win rates can be unreliable because then, when the same team is seen in the t100 and below where people actually play, you'll see their win-rates dropping to a more normal level - but as long as you keep point-positive, you should stay stable/keep climbing because it depends on how your overall points match up compared to everyone else.

And so if you're top 5 and you keep matching up against the top two whales of your region who you lose against every time, your WR might be really low, but you can stabilise in there as long as it's higher than everyone else who ends up matching your spot. So you can lose to the same big people and have a terrible overall win rate but then win against everyone else, and still keep a decent point gain compared to those you're actually competing against.

Regions also have slightly different meta subsets depending on popular awakens for that region and how new the region is in general which make win-rates differ.

[gloomy lichen]

Cute wr

[gusty valley]

I have no idea unfortunately. All my "creative" teams I test tend to be shit, and most "normally good" teams, like stall and cycle perform bad aswell. But building something aroung ABrutus seems reasonable. Ainz-comp is really good in this debuff, so replacing ABrutus for Ezio there would probably give you almost the same winrate.

[steady hill]

top 2%

[frozen crest]

t31>t23

not invested anasta sure suck ass

im so scared of 6 and 7 teams

[lime zinc]

I tried out smth weird for t5 and got 0%

[lusty jungle]

better than 2-10% at least you know it doesnt work at all

[lime zinc]

yeah the alternative was only going to be ~10% anyway so I didn't mind if it got literally 0

[gusty valley]

Have been snooping around abit around the 30-70 placements in R14. (The top ranks are a bit pointless to analyze, since they have so much higher built heroes that they can probably beat most meta with their random bullshit go...) The short summary is: GB, Ainz, AThane comps win a lot (in about that order). The rest doesn't. PPL seem to be trying lots and lots of variations of the meta teams, without much success from what I can see. ABrutus seems to do best in Ainz comp, but Ainz-comp does almost as well without him, and he doesn't seem to do all that well in otehr comps. Same with ASolise from what I've seen. (ASolise + Scarlet cycle seems to be doing better than regular cycle, but still like below 50% win rate even att pretty high investment).

So what totally off-the-wall-crazy-shit-non-meta comps WILL perform well? 🙂

[solemn sage]

Abrutus does well in GBs too, freeing up some for other teams

[gusty valley]

Yes. Correct.

[bright light]

Abrutus instead of grez?

[solemn sage]

Both, Grez backline

[gusty valley]

(Though not many ABrutus-GB in R14 currently)

Yeah, ABrutus front.

[shut vessel]

I don't know what teams for 6 and 7 as usual

[bright light]

who does he replace then?

[gusty valley]

Question is, does the GB/Athalia you free up really make another high winrate team possible? Haven't seen one...

[bright light]

Well actually if Abrutus fits with ainz, that’d be better since my ainz has 68% wr

But idk who to take out for Abrutus
Merlin, albedo, joan, mortas, ainz

[shut vessel]

Ainz is my best winrate

[solemn sage]

This is rank 6 player in R2

[shut vessel]

Hehe

[solemn sage]

Moving Silas to Thane team helps a ton, Haelus is bad this buff

I'm copying 4 of those teams next round, replacing asolise with luc oden cycle and athalia in the framton team

Standard AThane Haelus team was only 60%, will see how much Silas improves it

[gusty valley]

R2 seems pretty non-whale if that's rank 6...

(Rank6 r14 has 12 E80+....)

[solemn sage]

It is less whale but also that guy is overperforming which is why I'm copying his teams

[gusty valley]

Yes. That makes it a lot more interesting.

[solemn sage]

Only a few guys with lots of E80s in R2

But some of them are down below rank 10 this debuff

With more standard teams

[gusty valley]

Yes. Plenty of ppl performing horribly in relation to build level.

[low iron]

So, this is t39 but, this team works surprisingly well. It seems to beat AlnaGB/aThane but loses to AinzYenn - would probably be better with C&R over Mezoth I believe but Leofric's Fear/Energy Drain works surprisingly well on top - the 5-pull also is pulling decent numbers considering other options: