treasure-scramble

[novel vector]

I'm trying Perps 2nd team

[storm moth]

so we get 50 more battles now?

[frozen crest]

this rerun is actually dogshit

oooOooOo suddenly i meet a lot of whales

my luc gb cant even beat a normal gb

[pastel kiln]

2%...too many high spender and whale in this gacha

[limpid lava]

What the fuck since reset now I have 82%wr instead of 81% and I'm 2% unlike 51st before

[solemn sage]

First couple days don't matter anyways

only rewards that matter are day 5 and day 10

and if you get unlucky first day that just means you face easier opponents second day so it'll balance out

[storm moth]

its still depressing

drop from t55 to 2% is big

[hasty scaffold]

Yeah first day is always wild

[limpid lava]

Yeah I'm also sad because of that

I knew that it will balance out but

To me that ment that I could be in t100

Unlike 2%

[solemn sage]

The true whale are using ASolise instead of silas so literally no GBs in GB comp anymore

[limpid lava]

And get some cores

[storm moth]

gbs without gbs

[pastel kiln]

no Asolice used they just put random 4036100

[storm moth]

ig in like 5 teams grez is still used right?

[novel vector]

Seems like the hot fix fucked everyone over

[opal bone]

A-GB

I am still using Grez over Ferael because I refuse to give up e60 Grez over 107 e0 Ferael.

[novel vector]

Nvm I'm back up to 2%

[wintry fulcrum]

Now that's what I'm fucking talking about

[novel vector]

Get rekt nerds

[wintry fulcrum]

my best Day 1 ever

[novel vector]

Bro if you dont get that abomination out of here

[opal bone]

What is that first team?

[opal bone]

@hearty tundra Found another Joker enjoyer.

[wintry fulcrum]

If I replaced the Joker with Nakoruru I probably would've gotten 90%

[wintry fulcrum]

hold on did you just ping ramb

shit

i need to put on a tuxedo

[opal bone]

[hearty tundra]

Too political

[wintry fulcrum]

true

[vale imp]

Will this team 3 work for this round of TS?

[sage badger]

not bad - top 2% R12

[still heron]

[neat rose]

@still heron gz

[novel vector]

Where Cidlax

[still heron]

Hes not on my Region

[limpid lava]

It seems I also lost one whale

Anyone find ponginem

Or he just didn't start it and is offline

It's also a lot different leaderboard this cycle than last

[polar dune]

doesnt matter when you start

the system will auto push you to where you belong unless you literally start on the last day

[limpid lava]

Nice

This one is going in collections

[solemn sage]

At the start there's 3 groups per region depending on which path you choose

at higher ranks everyone ends up together again

[round bison]

What are good teams this round? My Ainz is failing but gb doing alright

[novel vector]

He's in mine. I have the majority of whales

[icy spruce]

A fellow man of culture

[storm moth]

dam no r69

but you are in my region

[hasty scaffold]

I'm from R69 so

[storm moth]

whale

[icy spruce]

Never lucky

[storm moth]

[storm moth]

i got one too

[icy spruce]

https://tenor.com/view/giga-chad-gif-23143840

[hasty scaffold]

Ez region

[icy spruce]

Says R69

[storm moth]

ig fine day 1?

[pastel kiln]

whale

[novel vector]

Why not

Him and Abrutus are the strongest 2 and he works better in pvp

Hate my region so much. I'm at 1873 and it's not even t100

[limpid lava]

But tha would only mean who you fight right not that you wouldn't see someone on leaderboard

Is this good positioning for ezzizh or is it on p5

[quartz salmon]

Is Luc front better ? T1 80% t2 60% :/
(No Alna btw)

[novel vector]

[limpid lava]

Ot would be if you had alna but this

Honestly you can try

Ans see

It's still early

[civic sage]

Team 1: Swap Scarlet/Rowan
Team 2: Lucretia Grezhul Oden Ferael Silas

[quartz salmon]

Rowanshouldnt be middle for heal potion?

[civic sage]

I would use Raine > Rowan though

[quartz salmon]

and my ferael has no furn so im not sure about him

no 3f for raine

bruh im poor af

[civic sage]

Look at Scarlet's S3. If you are too lazy to read pos 4 = more allies to drain energy from

[civic sage]

If he is 100, I'd say that's good enough

[civic sage]

That's fine

she is used primarily for her SI

[quartz salmon]

damn ok though they both needed 3f to function well, I have them +20 so i'll slot them in

thanks

[civic sage]

Then that should be good enough

[quartz salmon]

I don't think I ever read that

[civic sage]

[quartz salmon]

thanks for the tips! I appreciate it

😅

[civic sage]

Np

[quartz salmon]

one last think, t3 should be raku team or not at all?

[civic sage]

I am running Cycle for T3

I think with just E Twins/Ezizh it's still good iirc

[quartz salmon]

what else do you slot in for cycle ?

lyca rosa or is that dumb?

[civic sage]

[civic sage]

I am running Lucretia Twins Skreg Rowan Ezizh

Skreg can be replaced by Desira for budget players, and if you run Skreg with Twins low ascension I'd swap them

[civic sage]

This is very dumb btw..........

[quartz salmon]

lmaoo

[icy spruce]

What’s the min for Desira in cycle?

[civic sage]

I've seen some use her at E+, but you prob want 203

[icy spruce]

Appreciate it

[civic sage]

I'm definitely thinking of investing some furn into Desira, she's been popping up a bit more

[quartz salmon]

and who do you put front ?

[storm moth]

you guys read skills?

[storm moth]

luc twins i think

[civic sage]

@quartz salmon This is in position order

[quartz salmon]

oh ok mb

[quartz salmon]

tbh I already spend too much time on this game

[storm moth]

🤓

[quartz salmon]

but I know it means I keep bothering you guys for stupid shit x)

sorrrrryyy ❤️

[storm moth]

im still mad about that hotfix

[quartz salmon]

yh its stupid

[storm moth]

[civic sage]

"🤓 " - 🤓

[storm moth]

[quartz salmon]

hahah

[civic sage]

Keep asking, it's fine

[storm moth]

”"🤓 " - 🤓” -🤓

[quartz salmon]

nah thats too much

asta wins for me

[quartz salmon]

thanks sensei 🙏

-🤓

[civic sage]

"🤓 " - "🤓” - "🤓" - 🤓

[storm moth]

[civic sage]

Np

[storm moth]

i use her at E+ so ig shes fine like that?

[civic sage]

Should be yh

[vale imp]

Thoughts on these teams? I normally run grez in alnagb but I heard he wasn't good this round

[indigo epoch]

Zolrath useless without atleast 3f and doesnt fit in cycle at all

[vale imp]

That was supposed to be ezizh lol

Good catch, thanks

What is the thought about grez/no grez in gb?

Mine would normally be grez, alna, ferael, silas, daimon

[indigo epoch]

Grez is weak this buff, yeah. No idea if Daimon is better or worse though.

Ideally you want something like AlnaLuc, or AlnaABrutus

[vale imp]

I did AlnaLuc for 2 team, was going luc cycle for 3rd but I could do AlnaABrutus

I feel like that would be stonger than daimon

[steady hill]

oh no

[vale imp]

Oof

Come to a newer server with that

Also if 40 was yesterday you probably went 40>2%>63

So there's that

The recalc was painful

[dusk tundra]

You got this hun!

Peach op

🍑

[restive goblet]

I think I just got bad rng with matchups for Lucretia. Team 1 had a higher win rate than team 2 during the first 50 fights

[steady hill]

[dusk tundra]

[fresh yarrow]

@steady hill u use zol anywhere?

[dusk tundra]

Might not have

[icy spruce]

203 Merlin or SI20 Mortas in Ainz this debuff?

[fresh yarrow]

@dusk tundra what do u think?

[dusk tundra]

Team 3 looks rough

[fresh yarrow]

Pain

[dusk tundra]

Without knowing the rest of your hero box id run lucy/alna

And try to fix t3 some other way

[steady hill]

team 3

[dusk tundra]

Twins? Eziz? Any ascended awakened?

[fresh yarrow]

oof, twins at L+, ezizh E+. Talene my only M Awakened (40 cards currently saved)

Forgot I had ainz team, should I slot it or leave for 4

[dusk tundra]

Hmm

I believe ainz is bad for this mode

[wise lion]

Hmm
I believe Ainz is bad

[dusk tundra]

Low twins/low eziz prob makes cycle not worth

[wise lion]

[dusk tundra]

Twinsies

Hihi mr bob

[wise lion]

[wise lion]

Who's the 2nd one?

[dusk tundra]

Eziz

Oops

[wise lion]

Low twins can still be worth if they die and feed Luc's SI. They count twice

But low ezizh is rough

[vale imp]

low ezizh still provides energy after he dies and feeds luc

So I thought it was low twins bad, low ezizh ok

[dusk tundra]

Both low is bad tho

U don’t want to feed then bonus stats

Esp with this buff

[sacred notch]

Anyone easy to kill on your team is a liability

[vale imp]

idk what to run instead of ainz comp, I'm so bad at pvp in this game lol

[dusk tundra]

Yes 👏

[wise lion]

Pvp cycle relies on ezizh's ult lock to succeed. He needs to be alive for that

The secondary win condition is pray everyone but Luc dies and then she goes off

[dusk tundra]

Lucy go brrr

[fresh yarrow]

@dusk tundra u liek?

Wait i have joker why am i using hodge

[dusk tundra]

This is what i run

Actually that is outdated

One sec i forget each mode has different teams

[fresh yarrow]

whale

[dusk tundra]

Okay should be accurate now

[dusk tundra]

Id but brutus in team 1 and move mishka to team 4

Queen is bad for team3

Not sure any alternatives so hopefully it works

[fresh yarrow]

noted, thanks

[merry swallow]

Idk feel like arthur is better

[sacred notch]

Why u running Ainz so early

And why LDV 30si but no furn?

[merry swallow]

Just got him yesterday and wasnt sure what best comp was for my heroed

Or few days ago i mean

[frozen crest]

and u rushed him to 30

[merry swallow]

Idk, probably not optimal but i really like him and i know ill use him in campaign

[frozen crest]

makes sense

[merry swallow]

Thats what ive got to work with

[marble plinth]

Is this okay for next round?

[rare grove]

Looks okay

[sacred notch]

Switch twins and Ezizh

[marble plinth]

Ty

[storm moth]

what the fuck is this

[lime zinc]

My Luc cycle was doing really badly so I'm going to try moving Luc back to Alna GBs and running Scarlet cycle + LDV burst for half a day

[frozen crest]

desurb

[restive goblet]

When you first move up divisions, you are basically the weakest person out of everybody you can fight against

[storm moth]

okay but there is no way i lose all fights

[lime zinc]

You can look at the replays to see what you went up against

[frozen crest]

wait, you only fight people your division correct?

[lime zinc]

yeah

[restive goblet]

I was looking at the match history of a guy high up on my ladder and he faced the same whale for all three fights for like three battles in a row

because they were like the only two in the division at the time

[frozen crest]

i see

[storm moth]

yeah i go against whales only

fun

[frozen crest]

what if you're the only one in the next division

do you fight yourself

or postponed

[lime zinc]

oh maybe that's why my luc cycle is doing so terrible, because it's early division

[lime zinc]

I think it's just postponed

[storm moth]

i give up on this gamemode

[novel vector]

Why

[storm moth]

depressing

[frozen crest]

life is depressing

have you given up yet

[storm moth]

kinda

[marble plinth]

My rank is goneeee

[opal bone]

My AGB win rate

Is it because I'm around 50 or is AGB that week somehow.

I remember it being fine last time on this buff.

[vale imp]

I'm told this buff is bad for grez

[opal bone]

It should've been the same previous time as well.

Why so much worse this time around?

[frozen crest]

ainz at 4 or 5 teams?

[bright light]

Probably 5 if u can run luc cycle

[frozen crest]

scuffed cycle it is. what does your t2 and 3 look like?

[frozen crest]

cool thanks

[bright light]

desira or skreg works in healus spot

[fresh yarrow]

drop that ezizh ngl

[fresh yarrow]

What's your win % on Team 1? I kinda wanna try that

[vale imp]

seems odd to see raku in since its auto, I'm also curious how that does

[lime zinc]

Raku is pretty normal for LDV zol

[vale imp]

does the team work well in TS is what I was wondering

[storm moth]

i mean evo is t22 with it in my region

so i think

[frozen crest]

what region u both on

68?

[storm moth]

yh

[hasty scaffold]

Every region is different so just try it out. I do a lot of testing even if it means I get hammered if an experiment has gone wrong. At least you know what works and what doesn't.

Just don't do testing near rewards time though

[frozen crest]

or let some pleb do the testing for me

[novel vector]

Top 100

[pastel kiln]

whale

sames team even better and 2%

[novel vector]

Play smarter not harder

[quartz salmon]

t4 scuffed raku and LDV team then t5 ainz ?

[civic sage]

Why would he drop Ezizh from Cycle. Ezizh is a core hero for it

[storm moth]

my gbs without luc suck ass

idfk what to do if i want to run luc cycle

[vale imp]

I tried abrutus, worked ok but not great

At about 50% rn

[storm moth]

yeah like i have him built

[vale imp]

Lol

I thought about daimon front and back as ferael, Silas, Oden, but idk that daimon would be that great

[storm moth]

i mean i also dont have 9f alna

so it would have to be grez daimon front

[vale imp]

eh, ppl taking about raku ldv as a option for a team I won't have ldv for a couple months so.... lol

Takes a while to have all the options

[storm moth]

same (my stupid ass went for merlin first )

ig im just hopeless

[vale imp]

Well no merlin makes ainz comp more difficult

wonder what other ppl are running in gb comp when they move luc out

Or maybe running someone else in cycle?

[storm moth]

oden front i think

with alna

[vale imp]

Could do that

[sacred notch]

That's what I'm doing

[vale imp]

I swapped him in, hopefully does better. We shall see

Luckily I'm in a newer group so I don't get smacked too hard with a bad comp, still hurts tho

[civic sage]

I would prefer Ainz > LDV Raku if you don't have a decent amount of investment on the LDV Raku team

[storm moth]

do you have your alna?

[still heron]

[civic sage]

You know I don't

[storm moth]

what do you run for gbs without her

and when luc is in cycle

[civic sage]

I'm going to try Anasta

Previously I ran Daimon

[storm moth]

grez daimon front?

with oden silas and fera back

[civic sage]

Yes

[storm moth]

dam its at 36% for me

[quartz salmon]

hmm what would you put in LDV Raku ? I have raku 303e41 LDV 200 which is not great

[civic sage]

I'm putting Atalene/Astar + 1 other

[civic sage]

Probably lack of investment, but non-Alna variants are bound to do poorly to some degree

[storm moth]

yeah it could be that

is 3f for her any good?

because i could run her at 3f with daimon

[civic sage]

For Anasta?

Idk tbh

I'd get her to at least +20 though

[quartz salmon]

Astar E+ so I might go Ainz > Raku

[civic sage]

Well, there are alternatives for those 2, but if they aren't well-invested I would prefer Ainz

[quartz salmon]

I saw someone in this channel do Raku LDV + Kren

is that viable or bs ?

[civic sage]

Kren is the +1 one on my team

[quartz salmon]

ouuh ok, cause rn I have JoA (which isnt great I know) ATalene Kren LDV Raku

Kren RAku well invested and LDV 200

[civic sage]

I want to try Astar Atalene Raku LDV JoA but my JoA isn't invested

[quartz salmon]

I have her 200 :/ maybe eironn is better

astar is gonna be my next A for wilders tho

[storm moth]

for alna

just for that boost to front daimon

[sacred notch]

Currently 29th r62

[quartz salmon]

GBs working really badly for me this round (no alna tho)

[civic sage]

No

[storm moth]

alr

[civic sage]

Do you not have any awakened heroes?

[sacred notch]

No, spent my cards really irresponsibly when talene came out in Jan when I was new

Currently at 450 saved waiting for gb

[civic sage]

I'm only at 47 since I went Atalene to A 😅

[sacred notch]

Atalene to A is a realistic possibility for me if I went all in right now, but I want the most out of these cards

[civic sage]

[quartz salmon]

isn't Brutussy the best Aw rn ?

[civic sage]

I would say so yh

[sacred notch]

Most all around yes I'd say

But not enough cards saved yet and new gb should be coming within the next few months

By then I'll def have 600

[quartz salmon]

nice

hopefully Aw GB will be broken lol

[civic sage]

Yeah, saving is defo the right choice

we also get cards from Tower

[sacred notch]

And trift

[limpid lava]

What if you replace grez with daimon

[storm moth]

no way that luc cycle with 3 E heroes works the best

[sacred notch]

Never thought about that, might try that. Is it working for you?

[limpid lava]

I put it for next 50 battles

Curently

Your comp same as mine

33%wr

Really bad

Altough I'm in r4 and it's more difficult with my level of investment

It's still bad

[vale imp]

@storm moth luc works best when everyone dies lol, the question is if they need to survive to ult first

[fresh yarrow]

Oh shit let me try this

[opal bone]

@civic sage 38th

[civic sage]

No Alna 😔

[novel vector]

Virgin Alna gb Athane vs Chad Dim Abrutus squad

[opal bone]

Aren't you the guy that had 11% Brutussy win rate last TS?

[novel vector]

At one point but it usually rounded out to 40%

[opal bone]

[novel vector]

74th in the whale region

[solemn sage]

23rd

zero cele and zero mage tree btw

[novel vector]

[opal bone]

Just wallet heroes

[novel vector]

Why don't you have any Cele tree

[solemn sage]

AE

[novel vector]

Oh yeah people care about that mode

[solemn sage]

The timing was awful this season

AE tree, temporal tree, wilder tower tree for asolise trial

I probably spent 10k diamonds on resets

[novel vector]

So I'm guessing Lucretia isn't meta for ae boss

[solemn sage]

There are some teams/solos that need cele tree

but after I used up stam I reset

[hasty scaffold]

Just have a max tree, no reset needed

[solemn sage]

I tend to choose instant gratification instead of juice when it's an option

otherwise I'd probably be max tree by now

[civic sage]

Also, why are you not running cycle

[opal bone]

Because I tried that and my AGB was trash w/o Lucy

It's going to be my 4th instead

[storm moth]

rosa or lyca in scarlet?

[sacred notch]

I used lyca until 4 teams, then I took her out in for Rosa to put her into zol Eironn wilder burst shiz

[storm moth]

okay ty

[novel vector]

[lime zinc]

I'm at 6% with 60% winrate

[novel vector]

Brother Brutus carrying the load

[novel vector]

have you tried winning more?

[restive goblet]

if your winrate is above 50% it just means you’ve been consistently moving up. You should rise/fall until you reach close to 50% winrate overall

[novel vector]

besides I'm the one in the region with Chinese guilds and some former casuals players

[vale imp]

Sad. I'm in a newer region with a couple players that hit VIP 19 within 2 months of playing lol

[icy spruce]

So is this the correct positioning for these comps on this buff? Keep seeing people say Oden in front with Alna? And making sure I have cycle correct.

[vale imp]

Managed top 100 last time tho for the first time

[civic sage]

Looks good

Although to me Grez backline seems kind of weird

But that may just be since I’m use to him being frontline

[vale imp]

I think with Oden front I'm seeing daimon there, but maybe grez works better backline with the buff

[novel vector]

grez is bad with this buff I belive

[novel vector]

See if Scarlett has the highest combat power. Since Mishka is e60 pretty sure she'll get the raine buff

[lime zinc]

I was still getting better results with Raine than Zol even when the buff was on Mishka (but I don't have an engraved Zol)

Smh, just let Raine (and Barricade) choose target like Rosa

[icy spruce]

Scarlet still has it for now, she has better gear.

[icy spruce]

20300 T3 Daimon or 20941 T4 Grez?

[novel vector]

Idk what people are using when they put oden on the frontline, I'm guessing athalia

[novel vector]

probably grez still

[limpid lava]

I'm trying daimon instead of grez

Will sc when I do those 50 battles

Daimon is 309 full T3 no engraves

[sacred notch]

57, r62 trying Daimon instead of grez now to see if that helps

[sage badger]

R12 #70

any idea on where i can use Scarlett and thank separate? I don’t have orthos so that comp is out of the question for me :/

[marble plinth]

Do you guys think my team 4 is okay

[lime zinc]

Why are LDV and raku frontline

[marble plinth]

Bc idk what I'm doing lol

Kren is Frontline in thr ss tho

Which comps do you use

[lime zinc]

LDV is usually middle backline, his cannon thing does more dmg the further away they are and is cone shaped

[marble plinth]

Oh shiit

[lime zinc]

The most standard LDV comp for PvP is Zol/Mishka/Raku/LDV/Lyca

[marble plinth]

Hmm

I'm not using raine 1st round in place of zol

Maybe I could change them

My scarlet is weak tho

[lime zinc]

LDV is generally better with different TS buff, but he's not terible at this one either

[marble plinth]

Ah

[lime zinc]

I get better results with Raine on Scarlet team than Zol anyway

Scarlet also needs Lyca and Mishka if she isn't in cycle or dims

[marble plinth]

Yeah

[lime zinc]

Which would mean something like Lorsan and Astar for LDV, which is more of a team 5 or later comp

[marble plinth]

I'm w9rking on my astar and wokelene

Both are almost done but missing e60

Ty for the input

[lime zinc]

They're probably better than PoP and Joker at least

If you have to run that, at least put PoP frontline and LDV middle back

[marble plinth]

If I didn't what would ur recommend comp be

[lime zinc]

I use Zol/Lorsan/Raku/LDV/Astar

As team 5

[marble plinth]

Oo

[lime zinc]

It's not that good though, but it's better than the even worse alternatives

[storm moth]

[frozen crest]

i swear r66-r68 is easier than 69

[storm moth]

bro there are like 15 maxed people in my region

[frozen crest]

there are a lot of whales here

with aw heroes

[storm moth]

same tbh

[lime zinc]

Pretty much every top 100 in my region has both AwThane and AwBrutus at A

[marble plinth]

Brutussy

[dusk tundra]

You can just imagine what I’m up against

[lime zinc]

[shell jungle]

nice

[storm moth]

[lime zinc]

Ah yes TS, the mode where I fall into the dumpster then match up against people to boost my winrate

[storm moth]

im at 77 after my last 5 battles

[steady hill]

should i run cycle? brust is thrash

[lime zinc]

Cycle is def better than that burst
Budget burst only gets above 30% at like 6/7 team

[fading osprey]

I don't have the best burst but I'm above 50% wr

[lime zinc]

With zaph at least?

[fading osprey]

Nah without

[lime zinc]

Wow

I haven't seen budget burst with eironn above like 20% even at later teams

[steady hill]

i cant remove mishka bc shes my core on scarlet

[civic sage]

Cycle is way better this buff

[fading osprey]

I've been using this team since first ts and it always work

[steady hill]

unless i can use scarlet cycle

[civic sage]

What are your 3 teams?

[fading osprey]

I have ae tree so my wr are a bit messed up

[lime zinc]

Normally I run Raku with LDV

Luc-less AlnaGB did tank the wr a lot but cycle is solid anyway

[steady hill]

imma try this one fuck it

[lime zinc]

I'll have to use Ainz at either 4 or 5 team too

[quartz salmon]

Heu should I go for that weird LDV raku team (dunno how to put instead of Alna) or go for ainz team on t4 ?

[lime zinc]

Ainz probably better if that's what you'd have to run for it

[limpid lava]

Mine is same as without

[quartz salmon]

Ok thanks

[lime zinc]

LDV raku probably still your next best option for 5 team and later though

[frozen crest]

🤔

[storm moth]

u not in top100?

[frozen crest]

like 4 points away

[storm moth]

oh okay

[frozen crest]

will get top 100 at 4 or 5 teams tho

im sure

[storm moth]

im scared of 6 and 7 teams

[civic sage]

That Team 3

[frozen crest]

didnt know what to run

https://tenor.com/view/random-bullshit-go-moon-knight-random-random-bullshit-gif-25725102

[lime zinc]

44% is some classy random bs

[frozen crest]

cant believe that team lost to a raku charm tho

[lime zinc]

Your Scarlet team has a better winrate than my e60 Scarlet, e30 3f Estrilda and e30 9f Lyca

[frozen crest]

new region privilege

[civic sage]

Run Cycle

[frozen crest]

i feel like my gb would deflate then

[civic sage]

They'll do fine

[frozen crest]

oh yeah, do you oden front?

[civic sage]

I don't have Alna so 😔

I run Grez Atalene + standard backline

[hasty scaffold]

My Scarlet team can’t compete with awakeneds at 3 teams

[frozen crest]

i see

will try that then

[civic sage]

Oden frontline might be good for u tho

[frozen crest]

it hurts not to use raku

[civic sage]

my Atalene is ascended

[hasty scaffold]

You gotta do what you gotta do. Daddy Grez is booted from his own comp :/

[frozen crest]

i realized that i can do the scar+raku bs

[lime zinc]

what if I run Athalia frontline because she's taking Oden's slot

[frozen crest]

grezh or daimon?

[civic sage]

I'd say Grez

but also swap Rowan/Twins

[frozen crest]

twins should front?

wont they die in like 5s

[sage badger]

yeah

[lime zinc]

idk if twins front works for low ascension, but normally they are frontline

[vale imp]

I feel like e+ is going to insta die

[civic sage]

I've seen some very high WRs with Twins frontline

the buff/debuff should help them frontline

[frozen crest]

🤔will try

[storm moth]

my twins front got like 70%

at E+ ofc

[frozen crest]

how does your team look like?

[storm moth]

3rd team here with twins front and rowan back mid

also my desira is E+

[steady hill]

ill put cycle on 4 teams

i dont want to risk my wr on my luc alna comp just for cycle team 3

[storm moth]

thats what i did too after my gbs got like 30% wr

[civic sage]

I'd say for 70% or higher of players, cycle should be 3rd team

[steady hill]

i think joan ainz astar comp will work fine

[frozen crest]

hmm i see. my wr will probs be lower than 70% considering rng not in favor of me

[storm moth]

i mean my lucy is better too

[steady hill]

like come on i dont want to replace my luc alna team with a gb team that will get around 30-40%

[frozen crest]

good point

[civic sage]

Try Skriath/Oden front

[storm moth]

oden front with grez back imo

[frozen crest]

if cycle gets >60% with gb being 30-40 it's still stonks

[storm moth]

i just hope that 5p will work as a 5th team

[civic sage]

Just run: Ainz/Luc Cycle/GBs/LDV Raku/Scar Mishka
@storm moth

no need for 5p

[storm moth]

you know i dont have ldv

[civic sage]

Sounds like skill issue

[storm moth]

where is your alna tho

[frozen crest]

[steady hill]

right gonna trust y’all on this onee

[civic sage]

[steady hill]

which works better pos 2 lucy pos 5 ezizh or that?

[frozen crest]

also can you even compare WRs from day x to day x+1 considering how many whales left that division and how many plebs entered

[civic sage]

I think Skreg > Desira if you have him 9/9

[civic sage]

I would swap Ezizh/Desria

[civic sage]

But I have not tested this at all

[civic sage]

No

Since different rank = different WR

which is also the reason why at day 1 your WR is so high

[storm moth]

you can still look at it to see if random bs works imo

[civic sage]

Slight comparisons can work yh

but say if my comps got overall lower WR and I changed them just an hour ago

that doesn't necessarily mean the comps are bad, since that can be due to an increase in rank

[steady hill]

[storm moth]

ezizh p5 imo

[frozen crest]

yeah

would be complicated to compare

[steady hill]

luci twins same pos?

[storm moth]

yeah

[frozen crest]

wait, isnt ezizh behind luc to pull the farthest enemy near luc?

[storm moth]

@civic sage you smart you answer

[steady hill]

what pet tho

[storm moth]

good question

[lusty jungle]

lmk if you want the pets as well

[steady hill]

i need the pets

[civic sage]

Away

[steady hill]

i dont want to put random bs

[steady hill]

away from lucy?

[lime zinc]

My no Luc Alna GBs still get ~50%

[civic sage]

Yes

[steady hill]

right

[frozen crest]

ezizh can do that?

[steady hill]

yes

[lusty jungle]

1>6. black, green, white ball, dragon, yeti, bigchungus

[lime zinc]

Ezizh pulls to himself, so if he's behind Luc he pulls to Luc
Which makes them get hit by Luc ult

[steady hill]

so should i put ezizh behind lucy or no?

[lime zinc]

That's how it's normally run yeah

[civic sage]

Opposite side

So Luc Twins Desira Rowan Ezizh

[steady hill]

interesting whats the logic on that

[civic sage]

I would consider Skreg to be better than Desira though

[lime zinc]

I've never seen someone run Ezizh on the opposite backline
If anything I've seen Ezizh frontline more than that

Is that a new thing for this TS specifically?

[frozen crest]

like, why would you pull someone away from luc?

im confused

[civic sage]

For me it's the opposite

[civic sage]

So that she doesn't die

[lime zinc]

Until now I didn't even know that existed, I haven't tested it at all myself but it seems pretty unpopular
Which is why I can't tell if that's because it's a newer tech and people haven't caught on, or because it's actually worse

[lusty jungle]

to stop them from harassing her doh

[civic sage]

I don't think it really makes a significant change in WR but in some matchups it can make the difference for me

[frozen crest]

interesting... will try that

[vale imp]

does it matter what order you put teams in

[civic sage]

No

[lime zinc]

I tried to test the diff vs friendslist and look at some replays
And I feel like it doesn't really change anything overall lmoa

[storm moth]

dam

ainz wasnt a good idea

[icy spruce]

I also have Mortas SI20. What’s the best Ainz team I can put together? Idk how the priorities lie with no 9f Merlin

[lime zinc]

Ainz is typically pretty bad with this debuff

[storm moth]

ainz is typically pretty bad

[vale imp]

Hmm, so if I run AwBrutusGb, luc cycle, mishka scarlet, what could I run for a 4th instead of ainz? No ldv

[storm moth]

so you have brutussy but no ldv?

[vale imp]

Well yes, still a month away from ldv lol

[storm moth]

bruh

[vale imp]

Also no AwThane, which is super common with these dum whales in my region

[icy spruce]

Ik he's bad but he's still gonna be better than a bundle of garbage leftovers. Just trying to get the most out of what I have

[vale imp]

Not even playing that game, everyone seems to have 309e60+ awthane

Hmm, luc cycle isn't doing so hot either

Maybe do 5pull instead of cycle for luc? Some kind of burst as well?

[sacred notch]

Cycle prob not doing well because suboptimal haelus

[vale imp]

Yeah, but you work with what you have

[storm moth]

use skreg then

[vale imp]

Yeah, was just gonna say that lol

[sacred notch]

Could I stick a 000 hendrik in here for mish to put her into burst?

Astar stronk

[lime zinc]

I doubt 5 pull will be better but you could try

[storm moth]

wtff

[storm moth]

[hasty scaffold]

[storm moth]

same thing tbh

[hasty scaffold]

ikr? Begins in 1 ends in 0

[storm moth]

yeah exactly

[steady hill]

bruh wtf

[storm moth]

lucy cycle op

[steady hill]

stonks

[storm moth]

isnt daimon better for that grez tho?

[bright light]

tried it at 3 teams and did worse than grez

[storm moth]

oh okay

[frozen crest]

gb dogwater
forgot to change twins pos in 4teams lol

[indigo epoch]

All my teams except luc cycle 📉 after promoting to next division

[lofty zealot]

it'll go back up in a day after everyone weaker catches up

[novel vector]

why are ppl swapping oden and grez placements

[carmine shale]

Theorycrafting

[novel vector]

Virgin 309e80 Ainz vs Chad 303e30 (now e60) Abrutus

btw Joan matching Merlin in healing is frightening

[rare grove]

What about joan matching ainz damage and outhealing merlin

[novel vector]

Ainz is bad this buff

[solemn sage]

I put anasta instead of abrutus in my scramble team by accident

This is my brain on AE

[sacred notch]

Grez sucks this debuff, oden is what carries gb this round after luc goes to cycle

[shut vessel]

Joan op

[marble plinth]

what comp do you use her in

dims but take out arthur for her?

[novel vector]

Yeah

[frozen crest]

t96

[storm moth]

im down to 2%

[frozen crest]

i still cant figure out how teams get odd percentage of wr when there are only 50 battles

mfw my scarlet team wins 28.5 rounds out of 50

[storm moth]

i need that alna bruh

my gbs are 30%

[frozen crest]

improvise adapt overcome use brutus

[storm moth]

idk how burst even looks without zol

and all the expensive stuff

[frozen crest]

you sub zol out for athane

[storm moth]

[quick glade]

TS does not like me

[frozen crest]

i feel like ldv+raku is a bootleg burst

they do burst the enemies dont they

[storm moth]

yeah kinda

[opal bone]

Was about to ask why your Raku is e60.

[frozen crest]

most op hero

[storm moth]

ikr

why not e80

[lime zinc]

Ngl I'm so used to burst meaning Zol even budget burst in my head just means Zol without Zaph/AwThane

[storm moth]

whats the most budget burst

like without zol and shi

[lime zinc]

I don't think it even exists, you'd probably call it something else

[gloomy lichen]

Probably lyca, eironn, lorsan + sth

[vale imp]

I just started looking at what I have for team 5 and seriously this is when my brain starts breaking lol

Hopefully another couple rounds I can have more options, but for now it's no LDV, lots of heros not built etc.

Looks like last time I threw in 5pull, charm and some random bs for teams 5-7

[civic sage]

I'd rather run 5p

a 203 Eirron does wonders in TS at times

[storm moth]

thats what im doing for team 5

[vale imp]

what's the min on zol for burst

[civic sage]

003

[civic sage]

Team 5 seems kind of early

[vale imp]

Imma hit 5 by tomorrow, worried it's gonna be during the day today tho

[hasty scaffold]

Is your Scarlet team's win rate high?

[vale imp]

So better to set it now

[civic sage]

It is

[storm moth]

you really think i can run that later

[civic sage]

But I'm only t50 rn

I assume in t20 or higher it won't do as well

[hasty scaffold]

Not at 4 teams, Scarlet comp can't keep up with the awakeneds

[civic sage]

Yeah, I assumed so

It's probably best for you still though

unless you have burst built

[hasty scaffold]

Nope, very far from a proper burst unfortunately

There's a whale from 1000 that already has a team of e80s. R69 is so whale infested smh

[vale imp]

Oh, you're in with me

Yeah, it's bad lol

[civic sage]

When Awakened GB comes out 🤣

[vale imp]

Stripper Steve gonna have him 409e80 day 1

And there's more like him lol

He's just the usual number 1

[storm moth]

i have a guy that has like everyone e80 at 4 teams and is around top5

[civic sage]

I'm just glad Awakened heroes aren't too problematic at lower ranks though

in newer regions

[vale imp]

Ok, team 5 is either 5 pull (no queen, luc in cycle) charm, some kinda burst? Or idk what

[civic sage]

I mean 5 pull probably sounds the best out of those, but you could run some scuffed Raku/Kren comp

since you said you don't have LDV

[vale imp]

Maybe that can be team 6 🤣

[mellow osprey]

Anyone know if Mythic SI 30 A. Talene is enough to work in a Scramble team like this top one? I don't have a mythic or higher Thane, so I can't use him.

[restive goblet]

lol that’s got me scratching my head too. Is it possible to tie somehow? 28 wins out of 49 would display as 57% in game.

Maybe the 50th match was just going on and hadn’t fully updated yet?

[mortal halo]

In treasure scramble, those teams have been quite underwhelming (I'm #66, while I'm usually #40ish). What would you guys improve?

I have Wrutus 303e60 and also Anasta 309e60 that could potentially fit somewhere. Thank you so much!

[sacred notch]

Swap oden grez, take Lyca out of 4 and put into 1, put Rosa in for lyca in 4 following Scarlett, also swap Ezizh and haelus to pull enemies away from luc

[lime zinc]

Just replace team 1 with AwBrutus dims and leave the others

[civic sage]

This is what I'd do ^

[novel vector]

oden frontline hasn't worked for me

[storm moth]

skill issue

[burnt inlet]

why its not work

ainz team

[sage badger]

any changes? my gb team is lacking

[burnt inlet]

Change Odin position

to back

[lime zinc]

Ainz is weak for this TS buff

[storm moth]

ainz is weak for both buffs

[burnt inlet]

for 6% rank

is ok

[storm moth]

not for top 100

[restive goblet]

Even for top 100 he’s going to be like at least the fifth or sixth team usually

earlier with ABrutus

[sacred notch]

Gb is weak for this debuff so it is what it is, mines holding at like 45%

[lime zinc]

wdym ainz is fine with the other one

[civic sage]

For t100 he's good

[storm moth]

bias ainz simp

[storm moth]

with the first kill wins?

[civic sage]

You don't even have both dims from chall store, I'm sure Ainz does fine

[storm moth]

smh

[civic sage]

Use Ainz or bad

[storm moth]

im using him at 4 teams wdym

[civic sage]

Use him at 3 teams

[digital goblet]

What can I do to improve team 3?

[storm moth]

i think i did for the first half of 3 teams

[storm moth]

swap twins and skreg

[digital goblet]

Gotcha, anything I can replace?

[civic sage]

Take out Arthur from ainz

and add Mortas

Supposedly Oden/Grezhul swap does better for Team 2 (haven't tested this myself)

Team 4 Rosa for Lyca

[storm moth]

i wonder why

[digital goblet]

Wait so oden for the frontline?

[digital goblet]

Even in PVP? Okayy I’ll try that too

[digital goblet]

Gotcha

[civic sage]

Yes

[civic sage]

Yes

I assume it's because of Alna 3F

but I feel like an alternative such as Skriath (which I have seen work) will do better then that then

but I can't test this since no Alna

[digital goblet]

Oh

My Ainz/awbrutus team is doing good, think it will do better now let’s see

[storm moth]

if you have joa you could run Abrutus dims which is prob better

[lime zinc]

Standard AwBrutus dims uses Joan and Ezio over Arthur and Ainz

[vale imp]

What investment is good for astar?

[storm moth]

309e30/60

[vale imp]

of course

is she usable without furniture

That always takes forever

[storm moth]

probably yeah… in trift

[vale imp]

Lol

[storm moth]

i mean its pvp she wants a lot of investments

[lime zinc]

My astar only has baby invests (303) but I still use them at 5 team on budget burst

[vale imp]

That's probably what I'd be looking at, what does your burst look like? @lime zinc

[lime zinc]

Zol/Lorsan/Raku/LDV/Astar
It's pretty bad tbh, it's just that there's not much else to do

Budget burst is better for the other buff since you aren't using Scarlet and can freely use Mishka+Lyca

[vale imp]

Still no ldv lol, but seems like I might be able to pull off the rest

[lime zinc]

LDV is the main dmg so it'll probably be rough without him

His cannon is the main source of burst

You could do some kind of Eironn burst instead, but it'd be weaker

[vale imp]

I'm seeing athane instead of ldv sometimes, mine is weak compared to theirs ofc

Maybe add burst at 6 teams for me lol

[lime zinc]

AwThane is normal burst
LDV is budget

[vale imp]

Miska/zol/athane/astar/lyca?

[lime zinc]

If you don't have zaph yeah

[vale imp]

Are you subbing Lorsan for mishka? Don't want to pull her, that team is actually doing well

[lime zinc]

Yeah

[vale imp]

Who does zaph go in for?

[lime zinc]

Lorsan and Astar sub for the standard Lyca Mishka

Zaph goes over Mishka for AwThane

[vale imp]

Don't think I can pull it off yet, but maybe in a few weeks

[lime zinc]

Well normal burst is Zaph + Mishka, meta is AwThane + Zaph

[lime zinc]

Zaph would just be in the AwThane slot

So LDV is kind of budget of the budget lol

And eironn is budget cubed

[vale imp]

Lol

[lime zinc]

I'll prob have zaph in 2 or 3 TS ig

[vale imp]

I have zaph, not built tho

[lime zinc]

Mine's still baby M

I might try Morael invade for 7th team, but it'll suck either way

[sacred notch]

I just throw in whoever has good investment into 6 and 7th teams lol

[vale imp]

Mine might be skreg invade so... lol

Think I did some bs stall for 7 last round

[lime zinc]

I used budget stall at 6 and leftover GBs at 7 normally, they're both really bad though

[vale imp]

It did poorly ofc

[lime zinc]

Stall is less bad this buff at least

I'll have Orthros for budget stall maybe end of the year lol

[sacred notch]

Worth a shot I'd say

Currently just out of t100 r62

[lime zinc]

AwThane could work in GBs but you'd rather run in him burst probably

I'm not even 4%

You could run AwThane in burst without Zaph

My burst is doing so terribly that even Ainz might be better

[limpid lava]

Who would lyca replace

[lime zinc]

It's probably better to leave Lyca on Scarlet anyway

Because budget burst will always be a lot weaker than Scarlet for multi hit buff

[limpid lava]

In 5 teams?

Maybe it's worth it for wr if burst goes up significantly where scarlet goes down minimaly

[lime zinc]

You could try, Lyca would take Eironn's spot prob

I doubt it'd help burst much though

[novel vector]

74th

[storm moth]

nice gb wr

[lime zinc]

oden frontline is a scam, my grez frontline is at 55%

[novel vector]

yeah idk about putting oden on the front

[lime zinc]

I'm half joking because I don't even run Oden on Alna GB

[sacred notch]

Mines sitting at 56% t78

[vale imp]

My gb winrate is not so bad lol

That's coming up, started the day in the 40s

[lime zinc]

Oh I haven't tried Oden+Athalia before

[vale imp]

Much better for me, I tried it with daimon backline and athalia is better

[lime zinc]

I normally don't use Daimon or Oden, they just go in random bs GB leftovers at 7 team lol

[novel vector]

I need Athalia

[lime zinc]

I got lucky getting Athalia's star from scrolls/purples

[vale imp]

I got my first two copies on regular tavern rolls, very lucky

[novel vector]

wish Cecelia worked but I'm guessing Athalia brings something better

I see, Athalia can weaken heros

[vale imp]

And she dives the opposing hero, hard for anyone without high dodge or brutus to avoid

[sage badger]

team 3 struggling a little bit, top 2%

[carmine shale]

@sage badger that's because you have the components for an invade/burst/cc comp but since it's so spread out between those 3 you cant pull it off. Put a thane in that team instead and switch out with raku, that should do it.

[novel vector]

78th

[sacred notch]

Sheesh

12 battles 100% crazy

Also Astar has been putting in work against some Ainz and gb comps

[storm moth]

bruh when my ainz is winning my gbs are ass

and when gbs are winning my ainz is ass

[vale imp]

My gbs are doing awful

[sacred notch]

https://tenor.com/view/skill-issue-among-us-skill-issue-killer-bean-gif-24855216

[still heron]

Why are ppl using Oden frontline

[vale imp]

Because grez is bad this buff

Believe it or not that is better lol, unless you have Lucy or ABrutus free from another team

[sacred notch]

Yuh this is what happens with mine as well

[steel vortex]

Need help with making ts teams, i'm getting destroyed

[novel vector]

Don't mind the raccon, was testing him out

[vale imp]

Is that better? Mine isn't doing too much better without the racoon lol

[novel vector]

You'd want Athalia

[vale imp]

I've noticed it does better as the day goes on so I've stopped messing with it

[novel vector]

But I do not have her yet

[vale imp]

Even with athalia I started the day at 20%

It was back up to 30 last I looked

Just not a good round for gb

[novel vector]

Just kind of a weird round

Bc I remember them doing fine last time we had this buff

[quartz salmon]

Maybe your just up against a bunch a whales 🤷‍♂️
I don’t see why it would work any different than last time we had this buff

[dusk tundra]

More people have built ABrutus and AThane

Even my WR has dropped significantly

As someone who had them built

[storm moth]

i need to stay in t100

[novel vector]

Ainz? 2% wr

[storm moth]

97

[storm moth]

wdym

[novel vector]

Just joking

[storm moth]

[novel vector]

Joan being open to the public as well

[dusk tundra]

Sad

[novel vector]

Which btw, Joan mega busted even at 200

[storm moth]

that team 2 looks wierd

[novel vector]

That team 3

[storm moth]

im not looking at wr

[hasty scaffold]

Wut? A Thane 27%?

[novel vector]

Which btw, Hendrick is pog this buff

[storm moth]

oh really?

[dusk tundra]

It was doing better than ABrutus last debuff

[storm moth]

im gonna use morrow then

[dusk tundra]

That’s a standard comp

[storm moth]

didnt know

[novel vector]

Don't be dissing brother brutia like that

[hasty scaffold]

I had sameish win rate with that Ainz team, put in Joan and it got better

[novel vector]

Yeah Joan is stupid op

[dusk tundra]

Joan over Ainz?

[novel vector]

Did you look at my dim team?

[hasty scaffold]

Hmm, my bad I had Arthur previously but it was Ainz + A Talene

Not sure who to replace in your team though

[novel vector]

Joan heals on par with Merlin and Tanks as much as Arthur. Shit is nutty

[storm moth]

my 205e30 joa doesnt do that

[novel vector]

Tf is this team

Joker a sleeper pick?

[storm moth]

joker is op

always was

wtf jump from 97 to 63 in 3 battles

[hasty scaffold]

Then you should be safe

[storm moth]

yeah i should

[hasty scaffold]

How many more fights?

[storm moth]

4

[hasty scaffold]

🤞

[storm moth]

exactly

was gonna send that tbh

[vale imp]

https://tenor.com/view/jennifer-lawrence-the-mocking-jay-the-hunger-games-hunger-games-mocking-jay-gif-17322681

[storm moth]

oh no 5 teams

[restive goblet]

e60s are strong in pvp

[hasty scaffold]

11 more fights. I'm so skerred

[vale imp]

Not a change at the end of the day...

[storm moth]

i mean sure but still scari

[bright light]

wtf why

[storm moth]

yeah im safe

[fading osprey]

First time I'm this close to top 50

[storm moth]

same

[hasty scaffold]

My region is still not done ......

[fading osprey]

Yea I have 2 fight left as well

[bright light]

never trust last 2 fights
I was 20 at 48 fights then lost it

[storm moth]

evo why you have to whale in region

[bright light]

whale in region? I’m also not a whale. Just a small dolphin

No awakened heroes here

[storm moth]

in my region*

also just joking

[restive goblet]

[quartz salmon]

Any suggestions for this weird ass team?

[novel vector]

My region is whale territory so I'm not gonna be able to hit t50

[bright light]

:uwusolise: ik, thankfully our region easier than 69.
I can spend a bit more and get t20 next time

[hasty scaffold]

I hate 69, the region 😛

[storm moth]

if i get my alna 9f i hope for close to t50

[hasty scaffold]

Can I transfer?

[bright light]

bruh absolutely no

[hasty scaffold]

Wut? You don't want me?

[quartz salmon]

Alna A already?

[bright light]

I’m fitghting for 20, don’t need more competitors

[storm moth]

i have mortas M and khaz 5 away

[quartz salmon]

sadge

[quartz salmon]

I know im annoying but I know this shit will get me sub t100 so if any of you guys have any ideas of how to make it less horrible

[novel vector]

Nobody wants to be in region 58 with me?

[bright light]

talene instead of alna maybe?

[storm moth]

what your other teams

[quartz salmon]

your whale city arent you ?

[novel vector]

Nahh

[hasty scaffold]

Copy smoku's team, he is Top 100

[storm moth]

[quartz salmon]

typical, scarlet ainz luccycle gbs

[novel vector]

I only have former casuals and Chinese guilds

Nothing big

[still heron]

Im 58

[novel vector]

No way

[vale imp]

come to region 69, it's fine I swear

[quartz salmon]

whats your t5 If I may ? 🤓

[vale imp]

That's why we all come here to cope lol

[storm moth]

you can prob build budget burst ish comp with that ldv and raku

[storm moth]

5p queen

[quartz salmon]

queen 000 I suppose?

[novel vector]

I'm 56, my bad

[bright light]

the region with 10 krakens?

[storm moth]

yeah just got her

[quartz salmon]

aight I'll give it a try thanks

[vale imp]

Oh, so you've come to visit? 🤣🤣