afk-lore

[simple vine]

centaur clan was only able to beat bear clan because they united i think

being separated they don't have much to offer

but with the same logic ankhira would be ascended because she's the queen

[spice mulch]

Squish Ankhira

Problem solved

[simple vine]

...

[spice mulch]

No external emojis

[simple vine]

there should be a spray bottle somewhere in default emoji

[spice mulch]

👢

This will do

Wow, Zikis has abs

[silk widget]

I wonder how lilith will rearrange hero tiers in AFK 2.

[silk widget]

Make walker common hero is a must

[simple vine]

leave my man alone

he's weak but he's handsome he can pass

[trail kite]

Is he a twink furry

[spice mulch]

He's leaning towards twink territory

[trail kite]

Twink zone...

After see the full body...
That's a sphynx cat + twink + Hypogean

[spice mulch]

Yeah

[trail kite]

• common cat behaviour

[agile tartan]

OH MY

[uneven echo]

And here i thought the new hypogean was going to be a peacòck😂

[dusky gyro]

same actually

This works

[uneven echo]

Yeah the new hypogean is, without a single shred of doubt, a male

There goes my hopes for a chill hypogean 😔

[trail kite]

He is a cat Hypogean

And some cat behaving like that

[uneven echo]

Yes, because my cat also feeds on my pain, desperation, and strife.

[noble sphinx]

lol

[jaunty nacelle]

Oh no he’s a male

[silk widget]

Zikis's lore is meh. Nothing really interesting

[uneven echo]

He is now my spirit animal JUST FROM HIS FIRST PAGE OF HIS LORE!

[trail kite]

Cat is like that

[warm iron]

i relate to this emo cat twink with a loincloth on a spiritual level for some reason

i don't regret it

[uneven echo]

Kind of fitting to be honest

[silk widget]

Wilder's eternal engraving lore

[spiral estuary]

Hey yo Medusa

[trail kite]

So the Wilder is the chill but very powerful type

[bleak hull]

We were talking about the other artifacts yk the ones for specific types

[sturdy nova]

The class artifacts?

[simple vine]

desert? mauler?

mauler with medusa power?

snake mauler?

[sturdy nova]

Ooooh, finally a snake mauler

[mossy parcel]

Pls be a snake mauler

[sturdy nova]

I forgot what was that tribe called

[silk widget]

Sapera with their leader being called nathair

[trail kite]

Snake Mauler...that would be new

[silk widget]

That isnthe one that is associated with snake and the like

[sturdy nova]

Or maybe it's the abex boss

[simple vine]

zikis lore is uh

so zikis got rid of the hardworkers, brought toddle to the major position?

[noble sphinx]

worse than Morrow's?

[simple vine]

no im just struggling with reading lores sometimes because the way of wording is not what im familiar with

[silk widget]

Which lore are you struggling with? Morrow's lore?

[simple vine]

zikis

morrow maybe yes, but only the first half

im not reaching the dictionary atm

[uneven echo]

Im having a hard time with reading zikis lore too, but in layman's term: zikis meet laziest man in town, toddle (who is nicknamed dawdle) and become "friends" with him, when zikis is really just absorbing his sloth essence. Toddle sees a younger person named kooper and doesn't want to be lazy anymore.

Zikis gets upset because he and his other hypogean pals can't "absorb his laziness" and decides to get rid of kooper. Which convinces toddle to stay lazy.
Edit: Oh and zikis decides to move on to look for more lazy people.

[silk widget]

@simple vine morrow's lore can be confusing if you only read it once. His lore basically alter between him recalling/ connecting from his memory to dark abyss and what he is currently doing in reality. In between scenes you will see voices luring him to his old home.

Todd and Toddle. Is lilith using 2 names for 1 char.

[trail kite]

Todd is just short for Toddle

[silk widget]

Todd is his cn name

[simple vine]

okay zikis lore is more clear now, except the part where they team up

like what is it for

[uneven echo]

^okay this clarifies things

[silk widget]

This paragraph pretty much sums up zikis's purpose

[trail kite]

He consume laziness?

[uneven echo]

And the suffering behind it too

[warm iron]

it's like

[uneven echo]

Things like when you feel like crap because you didnt do a certain task that was clearly important to you and others.

[warm iron]

"oh god i have an assignment tomorrow but i can't decide whether to watch netflix until 3 or suffer"

[silk widget]

Zikis would be my best friend. I always procrastinate stuff

[uneven echo]

"I want to go out and finish up that 5 mile run.... but what if I didnt?"

[warm iron]

he eats ur pain for breakfast so he would want u to have more pain

[uneven echo]

Honestly he seems to be one of the more lenient hypogeans like Leofric (despite Leofric possibly being a spy)

[silk widget]

Also his si' description

[uneven echo]

And I mean hell if all he needs is to consume my laziness, in exchange for some brief chit-chat i wont mind his company 😌 at least it doesnt mention that he subjugates his victims.

[silk widget]

There must be a side effect to it

[sturdy nova]

I love ziki's (pun intended) lazy voice

🥱

[simple vine]

side effect seems to be

you never get rid of the laziness

and more anxiety

[uneven echo]

"Hmmm, I see. But it will get rid of my insomnia right?"

[idle herald]

Is there article of Factions lore?

[uneven echo]

The majority of them can be found on facebook. Some on the official page on the community tab of afk arena

[silk widget]

@idle herald each faction does have a small lore about them and the 4f also have some big ass lores about their origins

[undone umbra]

Respen has decent lore and the forsaken family I love their union story

[bleak hull]

Warrior, support, Mage artifacts etc

[sturdy nova]

Oh so you mean if a mage can wield tank hero?

[bleak hull]

What

[sturdy nova]

@bleak hull isn't this the class artifacts lore?

[bleak hull]

No

Those are the divine artifacts

These are the divine artifacts(the ones dura gifted)

And these are the class artifacts which are unknown to be lore canon

[burnt moss]

They have lore most of them were made by the celestial that made orthros/titus

[bleak hull]

Oooh

Where can you read the lore for them?

[burnt moss]

Theres a link on the arti upgrade page

Little storybook that says artifact story

[silk widget]

The first few exclusive artifacts have lores about them

[bleak hull]

The artifact story is the divine artifacts lore not the class artifacts

[burnt moss]

Its different for the class ones

[bleak hull]

Oh yes ofc

Unfortunately I have none of those just yet

[lilac ether]

welcome here

[burnt moss]

Ive always been here i just lurked lol

[lilac ether]

lol

[vast olive]

Oh god new Champ is Hot

[silk widget]

Can't wait to have him in a year.

[wanton tangle]

I'm going to wager a guess...the next CelePogean is known as The Guardian Legend.

[sturdy nova]

That's exactly what i was trying to say and did post

[agile tartan]

Man Zikis sounds soo deep

[warm iron]

he too tired to care about anything

mood

[low geyser]

lazy cat is lazy

[dark heath]

https://tenor.com/view/tired-good-night-sweet-dreams-sleep-well-sleep-tight-gif-15812577

^relevant because cat hero

[low geyser]

[lilac ether]

@steady zenith

people say he's hacked

[dark heath]

Is Idre related to Oden in any way?

[trail kite]

Idre was a magician in Kuilin city name Gaston...he got his head decapitated due to a mistake in his performance

[bleak hull]

Their only relation is that lilith used oden as a template for idre's design

[dark heath]

And Oden was executed by method of beheading. But yeah, they are both similar.

[spice mulch]

Yes

[trail kite]

Both of them got beheading so ..their new head is the soul bucket...

So Oden and Idre is pretty similar

[crystal tapir]

There's no direct or indirect in-universe relation between them, though.
Idre recycles animations, but is a completely separate character. (Sort of like Ganondorf to Captain Falcon.)

[frank meteor]

Smash Bros

[low geyser]

you never know if they'll become a new dim hero

[warm iron]

i was so confused

i used oden to fight idre once

insert pointing spider man meme

[trail kite]

Do tortoise go hibernate?

Grovo Inn note make me questions about it

[dry onyx]

Yes they dooooo

[trail kite]

He need some hibernate sleep

[alpine barn]

I knew Gorvo and Seirus are buddies, but I didn't know they're this close

[warm iron]

calm down lol

[barren haven]

Seirus's inn quote is "That sounds like the clip-clop of little cloven hooves... It surely is not Nemora? Kids these days are so darn noisy, if that racket wakes Gorvo, he's going to hit the roof!"

Soooooooo

Big ooof

[flint jackal]

Even google doesn’t like seirus

[barren haven]

Same thing goes for titus

These names man

[coral zodiac]

Lmao

[simple vine]

i still don't understand why not tiberius

[spice mulch]

Tiberius is way cooler than Titus

[distant idol]

and is actually unique

[spice mulch]

@silk widget do you have Dolly's new dialogue in Chinese?

[silk widget]

They are the same in cn and eng. That's why I didn't post it

It is said that everyone who tries to go deep into the desert will receive a warning: if you don't want to become a stone statue, don't set foot in that area easily.

[alpine barn]

Medusa mauler?

[silk widget]

There is also that sapera mauler clan which is serpent based animal

[spice mulch]

They didn't say Tastan desert?

Hmmmm

[silk widget]

Some interesting detail in desire's lore

The undead is the immortal ship of hodgkin

Desira met her lover who was thrown out of the immortal in the screaming bay area

Also hodgkin was killed at screaming bay, so desira may be the one that sank his ship

[shell jay]

Nice connection there

[shell jay]

I reread the Sapera lore part and I don't see where it mentions they are serpent animals, just that they use venomous creatures, more twords snakes. Is it different in the CN lore?

[silk widget]

My bad. I read that lore a long time ago . I only remembered that the sapera is connected to "snake"

[shell jay]

Lol same, which is why I had to read it again

I love the Mauler lore

Wish we could get the rest in English

[silk widget]

Also i remember google searching the word Nathair gave me some snake like person

[shell jay]

Watch that be the title of the new hero

[bleak hull]

It was someones theory that they were snake people

[lucid field]

it would be most likely. at the end of the last paragraph, it names that the chief is the “commander of serpents”

it would be interesting to see more reptile/serpentine maulers, and with the sapera existing it’s almost certain we’ll see them. maybe some sort of agility based snake with venom usage that causes more damage for a certain amount of time?

[warm iron]

that's just ankhira but snek

[sturdy nova]

So this one (the sapera) might just be a summoner or maybe smol snake / poison effects with flute as si

[warm iron]

this sounds adorable

[lucid field]

oh that would be cute!!! what about if it’s a support class that not only increases damage through poison, but also heals allies somehow?? maulers desperately need another support class, it would be interesting to have a snake witch

[low geyser]

snek eats tail while strangling enemy - ouroboros

[uneven echo]

You know between slavery, prejudice, human experimentation, cults, monarchial corruption, and lots and lots AND LOTS of deaths. It's amazing this game is still rated E10+.

[low geyser]

🤣

[lucid field]

agreed lol

[lilac ether]

implying kids would sit through lore and read it

so long as there's no explicit imagery of any of that ingam it should be all good

[uneven echo]

Thats understandable, but then you'd have to take into consideration of the global chat...

_>

[lucid field]

so

you have members like niru, daimon, and shemira that are fully aware of what their life was, who they were and who they are now, and what it was like to be alive

[uneven echo]

Then you have those that are possessed like baden

[lucid field]

some of them choose to be GB like niru, silus, vedan, and prob some others, and they’re still aware of the consequences yet follow through anyways. they don’t seem to regret their decision and somehow this makes them unable to be under the control of quaedam

izold is also in the category

i guess silvina and isabella as well?

you have others that have become completely corrupted, like baden, thoran, torne, ferael, and theowyn, and have no resemblance of who they once were, and seemingly not too much memory

then there are those like nara, hodgkin, grezhul, oden, and kelthur who died unwillingly yet seem to have some sort of partial recognition of what happened to them, enough to fuel their desires

my hypothesis is that unwillingness in death, plus unfulfilled purpose or purposes that extend beyond death may dictate the amount of control lord quadem has over the graveborn

i know that how they died and what unfulfilled or fulfilled desires they had in life dictates their memory and behavior in death

[trail kite]

Some was by Quaedam
Some are ...other

[uneven echo]

It doesnt seem impossible that Quaedam is the only person with his kind of necromancy knowledge. I honestly find it hard to believe that he himself created the entire graveborn faction on his own.

[lucid field]

the two that are most notably controlled by him are baden and thoran. baden has no desire or purpose, he essentially walks as an empty husk of himself, making him easy to control. thoran’s desire is unreachable, as his brother’s betrayal destroyed not just the empire but their family. how things were, can never be again. thus his purpose is unfulfillable

[uneven echo]

Or that all graveborns were from him and his own knowledge*

[lucid field]

i believe he created the craft, but then others like niru and silus followed him

[low geyser]

because curse words are worse than genocide! 🌈

[lucid field]

their purpose doesn’t necessarily have to stay the same either. niru originally cared most for immortality, to be everlasting alongside his family. but i think the longer he lived, the more he realized his mistake. everlasting life is everlasting suffering, and he perpetuated that upon himself and his family. and yet, because he loves them and they love him, he found new purpose with them

shemira, daimon, and niru all help lost souls make it through the forest that keeps them there

while also being lost souls themselves

feel free to type btw lol i’m just hitting down thoughts

*jotting

[low geyser]

are the voyage of wonders even canon? or is that also mentioned in their union?

[lucid field]

it’s in their union

[uneven echo]

Oh I also heard, im not sure where (probably on tw@tter), that apparently durris are used as lab rats for gruesome experiments primarily from the gb faction. Is this true?

[lucid field]

they help a man recover from the loss of his son

yes!! i always wondered why there hasn’t been a durri GB

they would probably be the most vicious considering they had the most inhumane deaths

[uneven echo]

Holy shìt...

[lucid field]

the durri are most definitely the most oppressed race in the game. they’re most likely to be experimented on, killed, sold into slavery, etc.

[low geyser]

they're also smol

[lucid field]

i think LBs have a very humanocentric view, and think of humans as superior to the ya bc they created them

maulers hatred for LBs is honestly very justified

they essentially left them to die in a desert, and currently ransack their villages and kill their people

the wilders chose to forgive, which is very hard to do

maulers it seems are also the most trafficked race, with little laws preventing it

[uneven echo]

Its surprises me that when dura helped out the maulers she didn't take into account the possibility of the lightbearers becoming envious

[lucid field]

it’s no wonder they’re seen as “aggressive” and “violent” they literally have to be in order to survive

of course she did, she recognized that her children were suffering and deserved help

[warm iron]

they always portrait maulers as thieves and bandits, even though they have to to survive

there's no other way for them

[lucid field]

even if they weren’t created by her, they’re still life, and thus children of dura

[broken citrus]

The cooler adopted children

[lucid field]

maulers are very tragic, and the fact that so many of them resonate strength and durability makes me feel an affinity towards them

i do like maulers

[warm iron]

i like wilders the most
mostly because of eironn

he's hot

[lucid field]

however, their struggles haven’t killed their compassion. like brutus and khasos, or antandra and satrana, or skriath. some choose to let their trauma consume them and become violent and cold towards the suffering of others. but others recognize suffering even better because of their trauma, and help better people despite it

maybe i’m just reading deep into it, but i think there’s a lot of real world elements in the lore

[warm iron]

i want to cry now

[uneven echo]

Wilders were originally maulers to, but as expected of any creature, they realized that constant fighting isn't exactly very natural selective favorable... of course they do still recieve prejudice from the LBs but they hardly ever interact with them at all.

[warm iron]

oh yeah when nara is still alive

[lucid field]

yes definitely

[warm iron]

she mostly sells mauler and wilder slaves

no lb slaves

just mauler and wilder

[lucid field]

wilders are the part of the ya that chose to move on from their past and recreate themselves

[warm iron]

"no more emo phase must move on"

[lucid field]

she was the gang leader of the whisperers in rustport, and she died when she was going to seirus’s cove to bring more slaves back

[warm iron]

yeah

[lucid field]

it’s noted that she was a cruel and violent person even in life

[warm iron]

this is the worst teenager i've ever seen

like even her attacks are straight up brutal to look at

[lucid field]

i love nara as a player tbh

[warm iron]

but meta wise she's cool

yeah

[uneven echo]

Why does everyone have some kind of parental or domestic issue???

[warm iron]

i certainly do not like her as a person

[lucid field]

most people do in real life

[warm iron]

emo and esperia share the same first letter

[mossy parcel]

It gives your character ✨flavor✨

[warm iron]

lore

also many times characters have tragic thing happen to them

[lucid field]

honestly?? i’m most interested in desira and her story. i have a feeling that her bestie will be a graveborn soon as well

[warm iron]

and the fandom is a crackhead

[lucid field]

and we’ll have a siren mermaid union

[warm iron]

she's gonna wail to death like theowyn

[uneven echo]

Yeah desira was kinda boring ngl. :/

[warm iron]

jk theowyn was killed by a weapon

[lucid field]

okay okay this is more of a HC but hear me out

[warm iron]

hm

[mossy parcel]

[warm iron]

listening

oh god that's really long

[lucid field]

her bff is pregnant with the baby, but like the sailor left desira, the sailor leaves her as well and never returns. bff is homeless and starving in rustport, and as a result of malnutrition she loses her baby. with no friend, no lover, and no child, she feels hopeless in life and decides to unalive herself by throwing herself off a cliff and into the ocean. she reincarnates as a GB mermaid (or selkie to jazz it up) bc of her death. she reunites with desira in the afterlife and they kill the man that played them both

[mossy parcel]

👀

Living for this hc

[lucid field]

ofc there’s fighting and tension at first, because bff literally killed desira, but desira also sorta understands that bff was manipulated, and finds out that the sailor convinced bff to kill her “to save their love” but really it was so he didn’t have any loose ends

because women talk y’know

recognizing they both got played, desira sets aside their anger and they track down the deadbeat sailor and capsize his entire ship

[mossy parcel]

Gotta love a revenge story

[lucid field]

and they live happily ever after as siren bffs that seduce and kill sailors

maybe even girlfriends if you wanna take it that far

@ lilith hire me

[mossy parcel]

Mermaid lesbians :D

Do it Lilith

[warm iron]

my friend also has a version of this but they become lesbian

[lucid field]

100% valid as well

[uneven echo]

The true twin terrors

[lucid field]

LOL YEAH

[silk widget]

That's a nice hc toward a third wheel. I would just let desira kill that bitch in the most painful way

[lucid field]

she wanted to, but she also realized that she still loved her as a friend. one of the worst feelings in the world is when you love and hate someone

[warm iron]

no she's just confused

friends

i'd probably regret it horribly if i were her

[mossy parcel]

That's also interesting, but I am a bit of a suckered for the idea of murderous lesbians

[uneven echo]

In other news, Im just WAITING for the day we get more info about morael's sister.

[warm iron]

morael has a sister?

o

[lucid field]

yes!! she’s sorta her counterpart, the chaos to order

i thought she died though?

[mossy parcel]

She would've made a really cool character

[uneven echo]

Did she? Im just looking for whatever info we get about her so that Morael's story would feel complete.

[lucid field]

no no i was mistaken

[silk widget]

Morael's lore does not mention anything about her death

[lucid field]

i was thinking of the nebula

i think she’d be a cool addition too. maybe a pink/red theme to counter morael’a palette, with stars all around her that act like projectiles towards enemy players

and when she ults she causes a “starshower” where a bunch of stars fall down and cause AoE damage

[trail kite]

I forgot to say that...Baden isn't controlled by Quaedam..., He was controlled by some necromancer then he broke free

[bleak hull]

Yes

[trail kite]

Ferael also was revived by other person but he kill them...and dispose the body

Some are get revived by other way

[lucid field]

he’s not really free, since the necromancer’s spirit is still attached to him and controlling him. but you’re right, it’s not lord quaedam

[silk widget]

@lucid field his cn lore is quite different than the eng version.

[lucid field]

hmmm. does he even have a connection to them then? or is he just the father of the necromancy art itself, and the whole “controlling every GB” thing is bullshit?

[trail kite]

He isn't free... He still have his consciousness and humanities inside him

[lucid field]

is it?? it says in the english lore that the spirit is still haunting him, and that’s where his spectral powers come from

[trail kite]

Although he is controlled again by the lich

[lucid field]

right right, yet because of the spells, it drains him of his spirit and makes him sort of a husk of himself

thank you for correcting me on that though, i should’ve reread his loren

*lore

@silk widget also what does the chinese lore say?

[trail kite]

He still have a little bit of kindness and humanities too, not an empty shell

[trail kite]

He used the lich as a weapon

[vale grove]

I like this way more than the final of english lore

[silk widget]

@vale grove you should because cn lore is canon

I also notice that some heroes used to have different names before being changed to be the same as in eng.

Brutus used to be called "kaderon"

Golus was manogardon

[lucid field]

that’s a better ending tbh

[vale grove]

Oh, I remember that Jakub told that en version was the canon

That's why I said that

[silk widget]

Baron vedan was baron hopkin

[silk widget]

Screw that. I have provided a lot of evidence that eng lores are simply a product of translation, nothing more nothing less

[lucid field]

so lilith just has shitty translators, or is someone intentionally changing the story?

[vale grove]

I accept it

tbh that's something really similar that I hcd a long time ago

[silk widget]

@lucid field yeah. They hire some shitty translators to do the early lores. Thats why you see so many inconsistency in the early part

The most notable one is estrilda and baden relationship. If you read their lores in cn, you'll know that they are uncle and niece straight away.

[vale grove]

[trail kite]

Woah

[lucid field]

wow. barely even mentions him in estrilda’s lore.

[silk widget]

And this is to showcase why cn lore is canon.

Estrilda's cn lore explicitly says that her father along with all the rayne men were killed in a battle

And in thane's lore, he had already served the rayne when the men were still alive

And for a long time, we eng speaking players had been debating if baden were estrilda's uncle or father

[warm iron]

bro estrilda ryan

i'm crying

unrelated but

did you know vedan is a brand of cooking oil here

[silk widget]

Really. Vedan is a famous brand name for msg food additive in Vietnamess

My non eng speaking guildmates call vedan "msg vedan"

[trail kite]

His name is funny

And hilarious

From a Vietnamese, it's me

Msg Vedan can turn into a pile of Bats

[trail kite]

now that bag of msg can turn into a pile of bats

[warm iron]

i had to do it

[trail kite]

Can he turn into Bats after this

[warm iron]

not after he's been fried

[uneven echo]

Zikis's voice is a whole mood oml

[lilac ether]

every voyage so far seems canon

[barren haven]

I wasnt expecting vedan memes in lore but im not complaining

[warm iron]

correction: the name is meizan but it's still in the same franchise

[lucid field]

so i read zikis’s story and it made some interesting points of hypogeans

it seems like they feed off negative energy, that they feed off pain and suffering overall. but how they go about doing it, or even the type of suffering/negative energy may differ

for example, ezizh may feed off fear specifically, while mehira may feed off not only lustful feelings but the suffering it may cause afterwards (such as infidelity, unwanted pregnancy, breaking of chastity, etc)

zikis seems to feed off neglect, or perhaps brokenness/broken dreams, and the suffering that it causes

so perhaps it’s not necessarily that they truly WANT to cause suffering, but depend on it as a means to survive. they’re energy predators essentially

[low geyser]

"you're not good enough, why bother trying?" +
"your fault you couldn't get off the couch to get to work on time"
that sounds like a rough combo - it really sounds like he demoralizes victims, then when bad things happens as a result of their depression... he wins

[lucid field]

ultimate gaslighter

he seems much more manipulative than the others, who are more forward with their scheming and murdering

[bleak hull]

Even more manipulative than mehira?

I don't think so

[lucid field]

mehira’s straight up about wanting to seduce someone. she has her reasons that are certainly manipulative, but she’s not trying to act like someone’s housewife. zikis will come into your life and act like your friend while slowly luring you down a path of destruction. he hides his intentions, superficial and ulterior

[low geyser]

I think zikis would make a great opium dealer

[bleak hull]

Hiding their intentions without being caught and yet doing major damage, sounds like leofric

[lucid field]

honestly i wish leofric’s story had more info on him as a hypo

[uneven echo]

And now he wants to make toddle mayor so that everyone would be lazy.

[low geyser]

doesn't leofric/mortas have similar personalities?

[uneven echo]

Leofric is more of a spy

[low geyser]

they're both cunning tricksters at some level

[bleak hull]

Leofric is more calmer, mortals seems more wicked

[lucid field]

he’s probably the most mysterious hypogean. we don’t know what he wants or why he does shit

knowledge can’t be a good enough reason, unless he’s using it to manipulate mortals into feeding/serving him

[bleak hull]

Same thing for mehira, we don't have any info about how she was created, what she does to serve annih, all we know is that she loves to be the queen bee

[lucid field]

you’re right. i could imagine him being in arms with a larger hypogean, or even annih, to gain intel of the mortal world

[bleak hull]

He also snuck in to find the eternal engravings

[uneven echo]

Presumably ^

[lucid field]

most hypogeans are direct children of annih, created from his blood, so i’m assuming mehira is the same. it seems like she, like zikis, simply sees mortals as prey/potential slaves and wants to use them to feed

which is why fawkes fascinates her so much

[bleak hull]

Mehira and leofric are the only hypogeons in game we can actually assume are direct blood of annih

All the others were born through different ways

[lucid field]

zolrath, ezizh, and mezoth too

[low geyser]

mortas clearly wasn't - he was changed from human

[lucid field]

mortas is more like a half hypo half corrupted human soul

[bleak hull]

Nah, mezoth was some sailor, ezizh was born from a single seed in the dream realm

[uneven echo]

I'd like to imagine zikis was a mauler that grew weary of the fighting like the Wilders but ended up becoming a lazy bum. How he found the hypogeans is another issue, if he wasn't one in the first place that is.

[lucid field]

in his story, the cook was worshipping an idol that looked like mezoth and made sacrifices to his spirit in order to survive. however, mezoth was using him simply to get to the strongest body, the sailor, and become physical in this world

the sailor wasn’t mezoth; but rather mezoth hijacked his body

[bleak hull]

Thank you for correcting me then, I've never read his lore I'm going of what I heard for him

[lucid field]

what we can get from his story and mortas’s is that if a human soul becomes corrupt enough, they can take in a hypogean. but it has to meet certain requirements

it’s really good! you should read it. probably my favorite story tbh

mezoth’s story is super creepy, it’s so good

[uneven echo]

I really wish they explained it somewhere whether someone was transformed directly by annih

I mean those like leofric

[lucid field]

agreed. on one hand i do enjoy the mystery elements, but i wish we could find out more about them. i had this idea that we could learn about the heroes and their stories more (as well as getting pictures for their stories) by completing quests at the PoT

like for brutus maybe we could see how he became gamooth, and how he met khasos from his perspective and how their training is going

or we could see how vurk and skreg grew up together having to survive being durri

or we could play out shemira’s motherhood and eventual death, just like in the story. except this time we could see what she looked like as a human and find out more specific details

[bleak hull]

I don't really like backstories that are too detailed, it's a heroes backstory it's only suppose to show how they became to be what they are, too many details spoil it for me

It would be better if they were translated better though, because I see cn lore answers more frequently asked questions about backstories

[low geyser]

it has a distinct Lovecraftian feel - guy worships statue, gradually goes insane

[lilac ether]

mez id a hypo that posses humans

appears that wasnt his first or last prey

we dont know why he needs multiple sacrfices

maybe he was banished ling ago?

[lucid field]

i think he’s a rare type of hypogean that actually feeds off physical flesh, or maybe souls, as well as negative energy

as far as hypogeans go, he and zolrath are the scariest imo

[lilac ether]

i dont think that starving sailor had much flesh on him

think he feeds off absloute despair that comes from doing unspeakable things to survive and end up not amouting to anything

he took over him when he was nearing his death

[lucid field]

it’s not impossible for someone fat to starve to death. hypokalemia, meaning low potassium, is life threatening bc your muscles, including your heart, need potassium to contract. had it not been for mezoth, it’s very possible that the sailor could’ve died from cardiac arrest and still died fat

that’s just one example too. malnutrition is deadly, which is why even overweight people with eating disorders have to be examined for it

but you are right, i do believe he feeds off despair as well, but i think he can feed off human flesh (or maybe it’s like a delicacy/candy to him) because the cook had been sacrificing parts of his decapitated cremates to mezoth

either way it’s speculation i suppose

[mossy parcel]

Can't believe there was a Mozoth lore discussion without me

[lucid field]

mezoth is great

i headcanon that he doesn’t just eat humans. he eats EVERYTHING. he eats trash and cigarettes like a demented raccoon

[mossy parcel]

@lament meadow pspsps

[mossy parcel]

This, this is good

[trail kite]

Mezoth will eat everything that exist in front of him

[lucid field]

the hypos have most definitely tested their limits with him

his room is literally just a bunch of trash and rotten food that he’ll eat later

homie sleeps on the floor bc he has the body and brain of a bear

[mossy parcel]

My first thought was that 1 lady who would eat pieces of her mattress

[trail kite]

Mezoth sure is a messy one and he will clean those mess

[lament meadow]

[lucid field]

he doesn’t have a mattress. he can’t. he eats it.

[trail kite]

By eat them...

He will eat everything, including a living animal

[lucid field]

he’s like a pet bear the hypogeans have and they have to take care of him or else he’ll just eat himself to death

[silk widget]

Mezoth seems like everyone's favorite in here huh

[lament meadow]

[trail kite]

Mezoth alway hungry so

[mossy parcel]

Ofc who wouldn't love him

[lucid field]

he’s a sentient garbage can that makes people cannibalize each other ofc i like him

[sturdy nova]

You'll enjoy the tidbit in the new VoW

[lament meadow]

i heard mezoth was in the new vow too, is that true

[sturdy nova]

Well not mezoth, i guess he was just a placeholder @lament meadow

[lament meadow]

well what did "he" say?

[sturdy nova]

||not a whole lot tbh||

[lament meadow]

lmao damn

[lament meadow]

also please do not call my favorite character a sentient garbage can

[lucid field]

okay. he’s a sentient garbage truck with the brain of a puppy

i called him a garbage can with the utmost love and respect

[jaunty nacelle]

Uh oh 😰

[lament meadow]

[low geyser]

[fallen trellis]

Heh heh simp

[lament meadow]

rich coming from the solise simp

[lucid field]

so, here’s a list of all the mauler races confirmed so far:
durri (rat/mouse people)
lion people
cheetah people
sphinx people
fox people
wolf people
jackal/dog people
bear people
hawk/falcon people
bison people
sapera/snake people
humans already inhabiting the desert before the ya (aka numisu and his ancestors)
spider people
centaurs aka horse people
satyrs aka goat people

[lilac ether]

numisu human?

[lucid field]

most likely. unless he’s some sort of unspecified monkey or ape species, then he’s probably human

honestly i think there were most definitely humans already living in the desert by the time the ya had been exiled, and they were probably part of the reason they survived (given that numisu lives at the temple of warriors as a respected healer/teacher)

my hypothesis is that the desert peoples were already at odds with the LBs, as they were probably pushed there by them or they have to compete for resources because of the LB’s expanding empire. after all, the desert is rich in precious stones and minerals.

and the dwarves need oil to power their machinery, so they would most likely look in the desert. of course the native peoples there wouldn’t want their homeland destroyed.

with this in mind, the LB probably thought they were killing two birds with one stone- send the ya away from their empire, and one of the two (the desert people and the ya) would probably try to kill each other. but instead, the ya and desert people likely allied.

i actually would like to see more distinctly human maulers, if it’s true that numisu is a human. it would provide insight on other human races besides the LB

would also like to see people from the new world, and potential ya from the new world but hey i’m getting ahead of myself

[silk widget]

Numisu is human? What a wild guess! There is just no way in hell numisu is human consider how they hate the lb to the bone.

Also the desert was once a place with advanced civilization. It was occupied by human in the ancient era before being eradicated with their use of forbidden magic

[bleak hull]

Yeah as a dessert wasn't it almost uninhabitable until dura planted the oasis or forest thingy near the temple of seers

And yudiat has a point, why would maulers allow a human into society not to mention numisu is well respected aswell

[spice mulch]

A furry

[lucid field]

they don’t hate humans, they hate LB. there’s a difference there.

if someone can prove me wrong and show that they hate HUMANS, not just the LB society, then i’ll eat my words

but it’s not a stretch to say that numisu’s tribe are the descendants of those ancient civilizations, especially with their heavy use of voodoo

[warm iron]

i guess numisu is based on some kind of wise owl

kinda unrelated but i think he's not human considering he has a very frail body

[spice mulch]

Maybe he shaves?

[undone umbra]

Is annizh is girl or boy?

[lucid field]

annih is male

i mean his mask resembles an owl definitely, but i still think he’s human. it also did mention him catching a very deadly disease as a child, and it could have permanently disfigured him (like polio or hansen’s disease)

it is possible that he’s some sort of monkey though, which would explain his humanoid appearance

[silk widget]

This is a very wrong statement. First of all, the lightbearer wasn't even formed up until around the first hypogean war, and the human race had already been in conflict and at war with the Ya (ancestors of maulers and wilders) for hundreds of years before that.

[silk widget]

The new boss's name is the Balancer.

Why do we have to fight a boss that controls the natural balance of esperia

Anyone has any theory abt this boss? There is no lore abt him atm

[lilac ether]

well if we fight him he's obv evil

[silk widget]

We are becoming lightbearers

[lucid field]

where does it say when they were formed? i don’t think i’ve read that yet

ofc, as humans, we’re fighting the balancer of nature lol

[bleak hull]

The Lightbearer Union was formed after the humans created the ya

[silk widget]

From the origin of lightbearers lore which is only available in chinese.

[sturdy nova]

They are a hypo

All the lore there is

[silk widget]

That is the shortest lore , 7 or 8 words

Also the Balancer's nickname is Destroyer of Reason

[lilac ether]

cold fire and burning ice?

[warm iron]

i like how we destroy the balance of nature to prevent a fucking mass extinction

how does that work

it is more likely that humans are gonna destroy the balance of nature and cause a mass extinction

[bleak hull]

Perhaps the hypogeans managed to corrupt it and defeating its physical forms prevents any more corruption?

[civic geyser]

It could be something like a legendary pokemon. Yes, it's existence is necessary for maintaining the order of the world but its power can also go out of control to the point of intervention

[lucid field]

chinese to english translators are seriously slacking

[lament meadow]

oh we been knew hon

[lucid field]

damn now i need to learn mandarin

[uneven echo]

Morael is screeching

[spice mulch]

Kren OP

Kren voyage

[trail kite]

The voyage is...very dark at some point

It's look like Necromancy but...worse

Also Hypogean can resurrection

[lucid field]

that’s…kind of terrifying actually.

that means even those with good intentions, once they die, can resurrect as hypogeans

likely not the same spirit, but their essence would most likely be possessed by a hypogean soul

[silk widget]

The mayor's will is still intact and he doesn't seem to be corrupted by evil though. It's probably due to the pact that the hypo made with his son.

[uneven echo]

._.

[lament meadow]

wait but then why did the son also become mezoth a hypogean? was that also a part of the price?

[silk widget]

No. His son made a pact with the hypo to resurrect his father. The price was that he had to become hypo himself, not his father

[uneven echo]

I wonder, who were the first hypogeans created by annih?

[lament meadow]

but it says specifically that the price was the mayors resurrection as a hypogean...ig it was a mistake??

it would make more sense if she meant his son but...idk

[silk widget]

Translation error i guess

[rocky meadow]

so it foreshadows a new hero lol

[spice mulch]

No

[spice mulch]

Damn, now "Mezoth" saying father makes sense

[silk widget]

Yeah. It's kinda weird to see a filial mezoth.

[lament meadow]

u really think mezoth wouldnt be happy to see his own daddy

[silk widget]

Well, i guess he will be happy to see anyone, one more piece of meat for him

[silk widget]

Also do you guy notice that all enemy camps in the vow evemt has an leofric.

[trail kite]

Yes

Every single camp have Leofric

[silk widget]

I wonder what is the significance.

[lucid field]

you think it’s not a coincidence?

[barren haven]

I've only just noticed this but in rigby's lore he says he cant live without 3 things

Those 3 things dont include dolly

[sturdy nova]

I guess the people corrupted by demonic power were actually manipulated by leofric

[uneven echo]

I like to think that the leofrics were more so like hypogeans overseeing the newly corrupted. Possibly to ensure that their corruptions goes smoothly as planned.

[civic geyser]

Why do you think he leaves her alone in the tavern so often while he explores with a kid and a rabbit? Man has his priorities

[barren haven]

[jaunty nacelle]

uh

nice

[obtuse coral]

[jaunty nacelle]

[lucid field]

that’s the life of living with an alcoholic father 😔

[silk widget]

For the phrase Prince of Lester/Leceister, is Lester the name of the prince or is it just a proper noun of a place?

[barren haven]

Thoran's leg placement is uh, questionable for sure

[forest mural]

I've got a lore question.

Besides being anti-hypogean, what in the world makes morrow light bearer??

Being a hypogean (like by birth or etc) who despises hypogeans would make more sense to me faction wise

I need answers 😭

[simple vine]

Morrow is basically human who has control over a hypogean

the source of that power comes from his book

it's like you have a cat, and that doesn't make you a cat

[forest mural]

But he's soooo bad guy in every respect

[forest mural]

I like that lol

A light bearer that tortures people bc he enjoys it, and young mothers bc he's got mommy issues.

[simple vine]

i don't remember that part maybe i should reread it

[forest mural]

I had hubby read it before telling him the faction lol

[simple vine]

Not all LBs are good guys, so yeah

[forest mural]

Example, off hand?

[simple vine]

in this game if you're a human hero, you're a lightbearer

[forest mural]

O.o;

At least that part makes sense

[simple vine]

remember those bad guys that turned rosaline from rich kid to poor maid

or those people who killed cecilia's husband (not sure abt this since i'm not really into lb lore)

oscar was basically an assassin that killed people (either him good or the dead guy good)

[forest mural]

The templar nuts

[forest mural]

In both cases I believe

[jaunty nacelle]

Anyway

In conclusion

Gwyn is the best

[forest mural]

I'm not big on the lore either; there's lots of plot holes, lol. But this one is completely off the rocker lol

[jaunty nacelle]

You gotta read the cn lore

It’s mostly posted here by other people

Translated

[forest mural]

Cn?

[lament meadow]

for gods sake when are yall gonna accept that morrow is a fucking lightbearer

[forest mural]

LMAO

I just pulled him today

Had no reason to pay attention till now 🙈

[forest mural]

[jaunty nacelle]

Why is Morris a lightbearer ?

Morrow*

[lament meadow]

hes a lightbearer because hes human and aligned with an lb-affiliated organization (secret society of the crow)

[simple vine]

hawk woke up and chose violence

[lament meadow]

lmao

hold on i got a meme JUST for yall

[dark heath]

Reported. I'm in this picture and I don't like it

[coral zodiac]

🤝

[lucid field]

morrow is a LB with spice

no but seriously i do like the idea of edgy, cultist LBs or even rogue LBs

[spice mulch]

Hopefully Sonya will be a LB

[silk widget]

Reposting my question.

[bleak hull]

Leicester is a county name and Lester could be either

Most likely his name is Lester, since monarchy don't usually just have the title then place they rule

[silk widget]

@bleak hull i've checked their cn translation, leicester and lester are supposed to be the same thing.

The reason I asked this is because leofric's lore also mentions Lester, so it could be that the lord in leofric's lore might be prince of lester

[bleak hull]

A Lord and a Prince are very different things, and if Lester and Leicester are the same thing then maybe it is more likely it is a place

[silk widget]

Then I wonder what does "lester's jottings" mean

Lord could also mean something as master since cn to eng translation is kinda fuzzy.

What i'm trying to understand is this "lester" thing

[bleak hull]

Don't the Lightbearers as a whole only have one royal family?

[silk widget]

We need some mod

[copper cairn]

Weirdo lol

Thanks

[spice mulch]

[undone umbra]

I found longer version of afk arena anime audio if anyone is interested

It is translated too but idk how accurate it is

[silk widget]

Absolutely. Pls drop it

[undone umbra]

https://youtu.be/i3TQeG7TpuM

Dropped on June 30 but I never saw it until recently

[trail kite]

finally..

thank

[simple vine]

me - a kpop stan - looking at that template and go

[lucid field]

there’s also a chance that lester made a deal with leofric in order to gain some sort of status, whether it be him directly or a son maybe.

even if they didn’t have the title, noble families were always financially compensated by kings for their “contribution” to the royal family. and by contribution, i mean new genes as to not make the family too inbred

given the LB society is based off traditional european nobility. see habsburgs as a reference to the absolute degeneracy that occurred lol.

but yeah, leofric is obviously very old, very powerful, and probably very connected. if somebody wanted wealth and status, he would have no trouble making that occur inconspicuously. what the price was, who knows?

[lilac ginkgo]

So flora can on shot the whole Esperia-verse

[lucid field]

come to think of it, she really could. she could start a drought and starve the people or force them into cannibalism, or flood the people so badly that some drown from the immediate floods and others starve due to crop and livestock loss

her entire story is about her not feeling powerful enough but she’s literally a force of nature. she could take out humanity if she wanted to. dura probably made her humble for a reason

[lilac ginkgo]

She is nature

She has to be humble or kind otherwise she can literally flip the world

[jaunty nacelle]

You forgot the best part

Amphibious cows

[coral zodiac]

It's so cute

[trail kite]

Adorable af

Pet one

Pet them

Chonk...UwU

Also the soup recipe kinda... similar to creamy pumpkin soup IRL

[barren haven]

My favorite part of today's dolly's corner

Grezhul's hair is top tier man

Also didnt really expect thoran to be a brunette but it makes sense i guess

[shell jay]

New Wilder hero the Earth Elemental Guardian...

Stone arm and Dolly warning about being turned to stone

[silk widget]

Titus's alter ego?

[lilac ginkgo]

Desert = sand = Mauler

[shell jay]

With that logic Walker should be a Mauler...

[jaunty nacelle]

[spice mulch]

I'd say earth elemental

With that first coming out of the ground protecting those two birds

Or a golem of some sorts

[simple vine]

was expecting new mauler tho

[sturdy nova]

Probably like some scribe who notes stuff? Maybe he has some powers or smth with which he can see at diff. Places and know what's going on and write that down

[sturdy nova]

You sure dura made her?

[lucid field]

not sure, but since it doesn’t mention her be ascended or anything i’m assuming some god made her

[sturdy nova]

Well her origins are mentioned

[lucid field]

ohhh right right i forgot

[sturdy nova]

She was born out of pure energy iirc, she was born from nature itself

Out of a flower bud that dared bloom to break alna's eternal winter

[lucid field]

so was she born a goddess or did dura ascend her??

[sturdy nova]

Two tribes/kingdoms fighting (from the flags) flood and fire in the forest maybe?
Might just be the earth elemental

[sturdy nova]

She was born a goddess iirc

Well she almost definitely tripped to orthros being wiped from lore

She is OP!

[lucid field]

kinda wish her powers reflected that since it’s kinda assumed that she’s the goddess of nature

like she has this thunder storm that deals damage to all enemies on the ground below while healing her team

now THAT would be OP

[sturdy nova]

Or she just open up the earth and a fissure and all opponents fall to their demise

[bleak hull]

Since she's a deity of nature itself, she wise enough to know the effects her abilities have, many celestials don't go up to their full expectations because they know the consequences like how orthoros is so sensible with the ability of time

[lucid field]

because not only would they destroy their enemies, but the land and people they swore to protect

[silk widget]

I asked someone who is studying chinese and she confirmed that lester is most likely to be a place, so prince leicester is likely to be a translation error and prince of leicester/lester should be correct. As for "lester's jottings", it could be translated as "record of Lester/Leceister"

[sturdy nova]

Ohh, must be from prince's diary

[sturdy nova]

Any clue about this one though? Earth elemental?

[bleak hull]

It could be that or could just be an earth golem that protects nature from harm, probably will be classed under mauler even if it is a elemental guardian

[spice mulch]

something quick I made regarding the new teaser

hehe

[silk widget]

I dont really know. But it could be since seirus's lore does mention that besides the bastion of element, elemental guardians can also be born in the desert scorched expanse or the snowy mountain.

And if the new hero is a elemental guardian, I wonder what his faction will be. Seirus and respen choose wilder faction because the wilder has jungle blood and they are close to nature. The maulers on the other hand are very different.

[jaunty nacelle]

damn nice cheeks

10/10 would clap

[spice mulch]

Hopefully it's a wilder

We need a new wilder

[jaunty nacelle]

it is a wilder

wilders have like

14 heroes

and the other factions 15+ right ?

[spice mulch]

Yes

Hopefully earth elemental

[jaunty nacelle]

nooo

i want a cele hero

😭

[silk widget]

Whale detected

[rocky meadow]

yeah grezhul has too much of that black force energy

[crystal tapir]

chonk

[trail kite]

And less aggressive than Kelpie

Also the soup recipe can...like make IRL
Purple Pumpkin = Pumpkin
Knight's onion = Onions
Hexabloom = Star anises
Milk too...
That's just my opinion

You can critics me

[wanton tangle]

Imagine the flavor of the whole frogcow.

The weirdly appetizing salty wetness of frogs' legs, the flavor of beef mixed with that oddly rustic flavor, rare, and the milk is diabetically sweet thanks to overfeeding the cows.
Almost like drinking freshly poured donut glaze, with how rich it is.

But that's the problem: it's all rich.

[trail kite]

Yep... sometimes the cow get overfeeding

[spice mulch]

more milk

like Anoki

[lament meadow]

no

[trail kite]

YOU CURSED AF

[rose veldt]

Is there a light novel somewhere on AFK Arena?

[jaunty nacelle]

I can make one

About Gwyn ofc

[agile tartan]

milkies

[rose veldt]

aight, if you want to test out your literary skills, i'll help you proof read it ^^

[cobalt hamlet]

After reading latest dolly corner, and looking at Kane small summary in TR
is Kane Thoran's younger brother?

[spice mulch]

no

that's Edwin

that was being manipulated by Mortas

[lucid field]

i was reading kane’s lore a bit

he might be related to thoran, but edwin was the one who killed thoran specifically, so it might’ve not been kane as well

[silk widget]

Nah. They are in no way related to each other

Kane was betrayed by the king and turned hypogean.

[lucid field]

i thought kane betrayed the king by killing him

also, there is a graveborn queen mentioned in the bloody priesthood, it might be related to her

[silk widget]

I posted his cn lore in here awhile ago and it does sound like Kane was betrayed by thr king

[lucid field]

it’s possible that he killed the king out of rage. if the king discovered his queen cheated on him with a knight and had a child, the child would have been killed bc she would be an heiress

it’s possible that he was betrayed, and as retribution he killed his king

[silk widget]

That is too much conspiracy there

Let me post his cn lore for you

[lucid field]

it is, it’s a lot of speculation

thanks!

[silk widget]

Auto translator tool, so translation may sound awkward to you

[lucid field]

so it sounds like it’s confirmed that his king betrothed his most beautiful daughter to kane in the first stanza

do you have the english translation? it’s completely different

[silk widget]

You can read his lore in twisted realm

[lucid field]

right, i didn’t know if you had your game in english or mandarin

these english translators should be fired. the english version is nothing like this, and the lore is completely different

[silk widget]

Of course in eng, i don't know mandarin

[lucid field]

oh sorry, i assumed you knew mandarin or cantonese lol

bc the translations

[silk widget]

That's why I have been sharing these cn lore in here. There are a lot of inconsistency in eng lore

Have you read lucius's cn lore. It's completely different than its eng version. Lucius cn lore has 2 version, one is identical the eng version, and the other one is completely different. The identical version is only available on the web while the different version is actually in the game

[lucid field]

no, i’m not really sure where to find the chinese lore tbh

[silk widget]

I'm here to serve you. Let me post his cn lore so you can read it

That is Lucis's lore in cn.

There are many more instances where the lores are very different in story, not just some minor or scrapped details

[undone umbra]

Where do you find all of that? If there a link I would love to know

[silk widget]

I just changed the ingame language to cn, then screenshot the lores and use an autotranslator tool to extract the text. Been a lot of work

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1m_MQoRWArwBVH1JZg2YwGFuL6T4M2LZqqMgDpv1sjWg/edit?usp=drivesdk

The above doc. is a compilation of all heroes's lore in cn. There are quite some lores that are worth reading

These are the must read cn lores: oden, lucius, antandra, satrana, numisu.

[undone umbra]

Tysm

[barren haven]

Goddamn this is a lore gold mine thanks yudiat

[lament meadow]

THE GUY IN MEZOTHS LORE SAYS HE ALMOST PEED HIS PANTS WHEN HE SAW MEZOTH SMILE

ASHAHRAHD

[trail kite]

Thank for the CN lore

There is a lot of thing that en lore didn't have

[agile tartan]

yoo what

mezoth smile???

wtff

[trail kite]

[shell jay]

I guess desert does = Mauler

[silk widget]

Name in cn

[simple vine]

hah

not medusa but ✨ Mauler ✨

what if this is a pangolin mauler

[shell jay]

Pic of new Mauler

[barren haven]

Seems legit

Was hoping for danger noodle mauler but i'll take desert stone i guess

[jaunty nacelle]

[trail kite]

How old is Rosaline?

[jaunty nacelle]

How many times will people ask that smh my head she’s not legal

[coral zodiac]

@trail kite

[vapid musk]

Idc if someone still interested in this, but here is Thali, Kren and Silas age

And Oscar is 28 but I can't find my screen with answer

[undone umbra]

Interesting Kren and thali are the same age

[mossy parcel]

[bleak hull]

Idk if it was confirmed but i think it's somewhere around 13-15

[crystal tapir]

Wiki updated with the new ages.

Also, it feels kind of weird knowing I'M the same age as Kren and Thalidomide.

...That was an autocomplete.

[lament meadow]

weird knowing just a year younger than silas when he died tbh

like i expected him to at LEAST be in his 30s

[crystal tapir]

Yeah, that's for sure. He looks a lot older than he is.

[uneven echo]

Silas is only 23?! The guy looks like he's in his mid 30s. Or maybe that's just my shortness speaking...

Quick question are the Gb's still constantly decomposing?

Or are they truly set and stone immortal?

Actually, now that I think about it. A graveborns physical appearance remain intact, but what about internal structures?

[gritty trail]

it's implied several times they're stuck in a state of decay

[uneven echo]

I see

So at some point they will "die" off

[gritty trail]

to me it seems like they're stuck with a form at their point of death, and that form will stay with them till the rest of eternity, if they had their limbs or something else taken or shattered away, it'll grow back through arcane magic most likely, kind of how thoran resurrects, because they can't exactly die at all

[uneven echo]

Damn that kind of sucks because that sort of implies that a gb can't grow any stronger, faster, or smarter.

[gritty trail]

they can't progress or regress as an entity

[uneven echo]

Lucky Silas that he's been a study-aholic before his premature death.

Err transformation

[crystal tapir]

According to the bounty board, yes. They have to actively take care of their bodies to prevent it.

Apparently embalming oil is commonly used for this purpose.

Though things like healing magic most likely also work.

[uneven echo]

Does it rejuvenate their bodies, or does it just temporarily halt their decomposition?

[crystal tapir]

I can't remember the exact mission description off the top of my head, and the wiki unfortunately has a lot of holes in the list... trying to find it.

[crystal tapir]

...yeah, it goes into next to no detail.

[bleak hull]

I assume its kinda like the same way you wash your face regularly

Except they probably don't do it as often

Although they still decay I doubt they decay as fast a natural dead human body would

[broken citrus]

Embalming oil is the GB version of LB's skin cream it seems

[uneven echo]

Imagine Hodgkin rubbing himself in embalming oil... 😏

Alright ill leave

[spice mulch]

Ohhh, hehehehe

[uneven echo]

So am I to assume that vedan is the exception to the use of embalming oils? Since he only needs to consume the blood of his victim. Or does that apply to graveborns that already died?

There really should just be an afk arena book series to explain this instead of just autobiographies and character backgrounds

[trail kite]

Graveborn using oil to keep and prevent them from decayed

Like...how you embalming a dead people and stop them decayed for a temporary time

[bleak hull]

He has his own brand of cosmetics
"Vedan and Co's blood of citizens"

[uneven echo]

... somehow, that feels right. 😂

I can only imagine how much hairspray he uses

[dapper urchin]

daimon story sad asf :(

[lucid field]

i thought vedan and his girls were a bit unique in their undead preservation since they use blood magic

or perhaps he uses it to simply keep alive, while using embalming techniques for aesthetics

[bleak hull]

Well since they never died I don't see a reason why they would decay

Silvina is the only one of them naturally graveborn

[lucid field]

i thought it was mentioned in a bit of lore somewhere that the graveborn needed to preserve their physical bodies since even though their soul still inhabited it, they’re walking around in a corpse

[bleak hull]

Yes natural graveborn need the preserve it, but I was talking about vedan and isa

[lucid field]

so a steady supply of blood would probably keep them going

they’re not really true graveborns then, they’re more like undead vampires

[bleak hull]

Kinda yeah

[lucid field]

or just vampires period

does it mention any of them dying at one point or another?

[bleak hull]

Nope, he adopted silvina and isabella to help him become immortal, silvina would fetch the blood and isabella would learn the ritual to turn them graveborn

Sillvina did die but was ressurected by and found isa again

[lucid field]

so yeah, they’re essentially vampires that transformed their bodies into immortal/undead ones

so silvina might be a GB because she did die at one point

or rather, that was the first time isabella attempted the ritual on someone living

[bleak hull]

Silvina was killed by Lord Rayne(estrildas father) I can't remember if isa ressurected her or if the ressurecter was unknown

[lucid field]

i think the reserrector was unknown

i’ll recheck isa’s story

yeah they’re unknown. it COULD’VE been vedan for all we know, but ultimately her death would’ve made her an actual GB

so she would probably need to preserve her body as well, blood magic or not

[silk widget]

It was isabella that resurrected her according to cn lore. In eng lore, it was some unknown group of necromancers that did it

I wonder what is the pros and cons of using blood formation to become gb.

Probably doing it this way will help them avoid making pact with quaedam or being under control of any necromancer

[bleak hull]

It wouldn't have been vedan, her death happened near Castle Rayne, at this time vedan would be in his mansion

[lucid field]

well the one obvious con would be that they would need a steady supply of blood and resources. they’d have to move from place to place as well, or lure in unsuspecting humans. i wonder if they could get sick from certain blood, like if someone had a disease and they tried to use their blood

being a more ancient and direct source of magic though, it’s definitely powerful and guaranteed source of immortality and youth

i also wonder how the magic works? would they physically absorb the blood? would that give them a beating heart and warm bodies? meaning their bodies are still technically alive. that would certainly distinguish them among graveborn, and pretty much their only allegiance to the GB would be pledging fidelity to lord quaedam (yet not being controlled by him)

[silk widget]

Gotta cover that part you know

[mortal gull]

i think he will look better without the loincloth, feeling kinda out of place...

[trail kite]

Granit is the Earth elements

He didn't want to harm the Wilder folk so he move to the desert for some venting

Of course he can be angry

Khazard betrayed made Granit rage

[simple vine]

so he's not mauler, he is just

he came to mauler land, made friends with maulers

why i

i mean i can understand the choice behind morrow

but this???

[trail kite]

He has his rage...and he fell guilty if he Hurt a wilder

I think it's like that

[simple vine]

let's say if he came to LB land, made friends with lbs, he basically became a lb?

[trail kite]

Earth could be like that...
Or the lore kinda make me confused...

[silk widget]

Probably

[simple vine]

bad choice

disappointed

need explaination

[uneven echo]

Wha- im so confused. I thought we were having a Medusa-like mauler?

[simple vine]

i guess wilder or celestial

[shell jay]

Damn I was right, they could be twins!

[trail kite]

LB engraving lore

[warm iron]

as always

leofric does the sneaky snatch again

why is it that every story has to include "a disguised hypogean"

[trail kite]

Leofric he is

[sturdy nova]

Honestly sounds like an lb from kullin city

[warm iron]

kuilin city is the city of art and beauty

i don't think there would be stuff like that

[sturdy nova]

Uhm, 'artist' from 'the city of art', seems wvery unlikely

[crystal tapir]

Granit's story seems to confirm that one's faction is at least in part a matter of choice.

[agile tartan]

Bob Ross?

Im down for new dimensional

[crystal tapir]

Meeting between Dolly and newcomer:

[sturdy nova]

Well i think the keyword here is maulers 'welcomed him', much like how serius and respen were 'welcomed' by wilders, must be their allegiance, after all elementals have no perma factions, they just are 'welcomed' to be a part of them by wilders (maulers in his case)

I wonder if the fire elemental could be welcomed by the maulers too, wish it were with the lbs tho

Gbs can't seem to welcome any fire or nature elemental imo

[simple vine]

thanks i hate that

[lament meadow]

was you expectin another durri maybe ?

[simple vine]

maybe?

there will be human mauler in the future because the maulers welcome them

no but really at least give granit some animal feature it's not that hard

they could just make an animal shaped element but no

at least saurus was in the shape of a merman

[lucid field]

i think it makes enough sense that he would fit in with the maulers. he has a tough constitution, yet doesn’t want to truly hurt anyone. the elders of mauler tribes might also know that it’s probably not a good idea to piss off a force of nature, therefore welcoming it upon the land

[simple vine]

the "doesn't want to hurt anyone" just go against the maulers motto

[crystal tapir]

I don't know, I don't think the maulers are typically in favor of indiscriminate wanton destruction.
(Except ones like Thali and Kren, who don't fit in with Mauler society anyway.)

Are they violent? Yes. But head-to-head combat =/= detonating the surrounding area in a seismic explosion of unbridled wrath.

Not wanting to do that, and going to an area where there's less innocent people and animals along with the people there being more willing to tolerate that particular brand of screw-up, still makes sense, IMO.

[fossil rose]

Maulars are a warrior culture, that doesn't mean they want to hurt people. Wars in warrior cultures historically where small engagements to settle disputes. This helped keep a larger peace and the common man rairly felt these wars

[crystal tapir]

Yep. Besides, the fact that they hate the Hypogeans — who actually DO want to hurt as many innocents as possible — as much as everyone else does should say something.

[fossil rose]

The maulers and lightbearer conflicts are due to deep hatred passed down from the ya and the ancient lightbearer empire. They have been raised to fear and hate each other, and untill the hypogeons came along there was no reason to make amends.

[shell jay]

I think I figured out Liliths hero mix up. First we get Morrow the Hypogean who is a Lightbearer, then we get Zikis the Mauler who is a Hypogean, now we have Granite the Wilder who is a Mauler.. next we'll get a Graveborn who is a Wilder, then a Celestial who is a Graveborn and finally a Lightbearer who is a Celestial to complete the circle.

[wanton tangle]

All these twirly type changes make me sick on the roller coaster ;_;

Anyway theoretically, Titus is that very GB Celestial. He died, got resurrected mysteriously, but instead of being a hollow shell of hatred or revenge, he still continues his mission of defense.

He's like a house-sized Izold. Except instead of reliving glory days, he's protecting that mountain

[shell jay]

Hah! you are right about Titus.

[vapid musk]

Actually, we can say that Khazard the Wilder who is a Hypogean

[lucid field]

not lore but idk where to post headcanons: lorsan most definitely thumps his feet like thumper when he’s happy. it’s a tic that he’s embarrassed about but the other wilders think it’s cute

also, many warrior cultures such as the spartans only ever fought those who were willing to fight back. for example, an enemy who ran away during battle was not chased down and killed. though they were seen as cowardly, they respected that no true enemy would run away. it would be a stain on their honor to hunt down somebody who ran for their life. i feel the maulers operate in a similar fashion for the most part- why expend precious energy hunting someone who’s too scared to fight back when you could fight a true warrior who wouldn’t back down? like skreg said, only cowards run away. for a warrior, to hunt cowards would make you a coward yourself, as warriors want to face their equal

using this logic, it makes sense that they would’ve accepted rock man. yes, he isn’t a coward, but he’s also not a threat. they recognize that, and likely see him as an equal/superior because he’s an elemental.

also, i like that lilith is straying a little bit from the cookie cutter animal designs. the maulers would eventually become more than just descendants of the ya, as their culture and territory grows. like someone said earlier, it wouldn’t surprise me if they eventually started accepting humans who proved to hate LB society just as much as they do (probably through some initiation process). elemental maulers were kinda inevitable

hell, maybe there will be a sand elemental soon too

[lament meadow]

yeah, i like that lilith is stretching the boundaries of each faction

[lucid field]

call me a mad lad, but i want to see them expand to new world characters tbh

[lament meadow]

and i dont see why maulers have to be strictly animal people when wilders arent strictly animal people

like yeah seirus was mermaid-shaped...but we also got a whole ass tree, a fairy, and a mostly humanoid elemental

[lucid field]

more americas-inspired tribal people who rely on nature yet are a warrior society, like the aztecs and incans

also pre-existing ya that somehow existed in the americas beforehand and became integrated into human society as gods, the opposite of what happened with the LB

i mean that could be a whole new faction if they really wanted to push it

[lament meadow]

i dont think the americas exist in esperia and the lbs created the ya so im not sure how that would work

but im in support of the fifth faction idea, in fact a while back i came up with a faction thats like...intelligent, pre-ya animals

like if it existed pippa and raku would technically be considered a part of it, since they seem fully animal and just have human intelligence and behavior

[lucid field]

the new world continent is based off the americas, with the deep jungles and maya-inspired temples

[lament meadow]

OHHHHHH ok now i see what youre talking about

[lucid field]

there’s so much native lore that they could incorporate into it, it’s honestly fascinating to think of the concepts. the aztecs believed the jaguar to be not only the ultimate warrior, but a deity able to move between worlds. it would be awesome to see a jaguar-based warrior that could become invisible for 5-10 seconds and then viscously attack the backline

[lament meadow]

yeah!!

honestly tho? given the moving between worlds thing itd be more fitting if it were a dimensional based on another mythological figure

[spice mulch]

So, a better Antandra?

[lucid field]

kinda, yeah

the only difference would be that the jaguar would be tankier instead of having health regeneration like antandra

since jaguars are some of the strongest big cats in the world. male jaguars are actually able to kill fully grown caiman and crocs

[lament meadow]

goddamn!!!!!!

[lucid field]

yeah, they even get up to 500 lbs, they’re my favorite big cats!

then we could have another stealth based ranger that’s a black jaguar (or panther depending on what you call them). they specifically are designed for having their damage reduced and stealth. they would be like kelthur where they only die at the end of battle when their shield wears off, meaning they’d prob be a little squishy

i would love to have stealth in the game in general tbh

like frontline heroes have less stealth bc they’re meant to tank damage while giving damage, while mages have more stealth. it would work like a prioritization method. through that, you could have characters that specifically target stealthier characters through insight (like merlin)

@ lilith hire me

[lament meadow]

lmao

[lucid field]

the only problem would be it would throw a monkey wrench in the faction works

[lament meadow]

yeahhhhhhhh

well see the idea i had for my faction was like. depending on the hero they can have mutual faction advantage/disadvantage against a single faction like what goes on with celestials/hypogeans, e.g. one hero could have a mutual advantage against/be weak to maulers and have no advantage to any other faction while another would have a mutual advantage against graveborn

[silk widget]

Anyone has any theory on how the boss natural balancer came to life?

In respen lore, it is known that khazard attempted to destroyed the elemental shrine at the bastion of element although not succeeded. Maybe there is a link between this and the natural balancer?

[vapid musk]

perhaps Hazard managed to partially damage it, i guess

[sturdy nova]

i so so so so need a gb wilder, lmost expected desira to be one but meh

and breaking the norms of the factional stereotypes makes me all excited since you can not expect all people in one group to be same, there NEEDS to be some different

[sturdy nova]

i look at tasi as more of a butterfly tbh

[sturdy nova]

you mean thane as wilder/mauler?