afk-lore

[sudden thicket]

Ok thats what i meant we agree next time ill try to have a brain bigger than an atom and type what i actially mean

[silk widget]

Let's talk about the siren. So the sirens accompany the dead tide fleet led by captain hodkin. I think Thoran used this fleet to travel to the second continent on chapter 31 where he was able to resurrect a huge army that let him recapture his bantus kingdom

Or else the gb would have to swim back... and we would have some clean gb

[sudden thicket]

Makes sense, whered u get the info from just curious, he couldve used other graveyards but probs this one due to its size

[silk widget]

@sudden thicket in origins of gb lore, it mentions that siren accompanied the dead tide fleet, and in chapter 31 it said thoran recruit his army there

[sudden thicket]

Ok thanks

I will prob look blind but where do you find the origins of faction lore, unless its bot its own thing and just scartered across its heroes

[silk widget]

@sudden thicket it was published on the official fb page

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1m4fWyhD4iZwfp1jhDqRdhNuA_T61Iwp0HbGI3SwH-pw/edit?usp=drivesdk

[sudden thicket]

Ok i shoukd start checking those ewbsites along with the game, thx

[silk widget]

You can read it there.

[sudden thicket]

I will thanks for the link

[spice mulch]

Sirens are man eaters

Hodgkin's fleet is made up by whole skeletons

[bleak hull]

I just spent an hour ready all of that, very interesting, i never knew the graveborn were this cultured

[sudden thicket]

Same theres a lot of lore not ingame lol

[silk widget]

With the siren being released as a playable hero, i think we will be given a playable mauler sapera very soon

[spice mulch]

Hopefully

Unless they just make a random naga

A woman, but with snake bottom

[bleak hull]

Yes yes yes yes please sapera characters im listening

[spice mulch]

Maulers need more ladies tbh

[bleak hull]

More animal like ladies, like Pippa

I want to see unique designs

[sudden thicket]

Ppl like pippa would probably be wilders, maulers are usually half animals not full, unless your just talking about the lady aspect sry for wasting your time if you are

[crystal tapir]

Meaning, "ladies that aren't just humans with cat ears like Antandra".

[sudden thicket]

Ah thought they meant fully like pippa sry lol

[crystal tapir]

Pippa was more named as an example that not all female Ya are Antandra-like.

[fallen trellis]

Either that or Pippa is just an oversized squirrel

[spice mulch]

This is what we mean

[sudden thicket]

Ok

[trail kite]

accurate board of every fantasy video game

[south yew]

yup

[agile tartan]

lmao what is this

[civic geyser]

Every damn time

I cannot think of any exception

[torn finch]

Who wins the luc vs zaph fite?

[civic geyser]

Can't say for sure

Zaph sacrifices himself by putting himself and Lucretia into the barred gate

[sturdy nova]

Notthw guardians i mean, like more elemental stuff, maybe a disciple, or any sorts of wilder relating to an element not just an animal, ulmus counts for eg

[torn finch]

Isnt wilder a race..?
Like or is it an entire kingdom

[quasi wedge]

pretty sure they have no kingdom beyond some living in a forest and calling it their home

[torn finch]

Like arden?

[quasi wedge]

him and the dusk watch folk all live in the same forest and kinda look over it i guess?

[sturdy nova]

What's a sapera? Half snake?

[silk widget]

@sturdy nova the saperas are maulers who specialize in using/taming snake and they are also almost immune to vernom. Which animal they are based on is not known yet

[civic geyser]

You'd think they would be snake people themselves

[sturdy nova]

Thank you, i wasn't aware of that

[crystal tapir]

It's more an allegiance.
Some, like Seirus and Tasi, are supernatural.
Others, like Kaz, Raku, and Nemora, are Ya — the same artificial race as Maulers.

[torn finch]

So like if a wilder met another theyd be like "that person is an ally by default" like some sort of instinctive thing or was it established by someone?

[crystal tapir]

They have fairly common goals and core beliefs.

[torn finch]

Ur name is b i g

[crystal tapir]

Translation: "Lendri Badger (me) is gonna snuggle a bunch of durri"

[agile tartan]

look what i posted on #memes lol

1k upvotes in a sec on reddit i bet

[bleak hull]

They are their owns race who dwell the forests however they are welcome to lightbearer kingdoms also they dont make allys by default they are just extremely accepting, and will happly take another in as their own

[dark heath]

Hey guys came to say I now take requests on AFK ARENA ocs. If you want me to either make an ability set or a drawing of your character, dm me!

[civic geyser]

Neat

Might think about it

[dark heath]

First request from @crystal tapir

Here is their Graveborn OC Fuma, who is a Durri that became a graveborn!

[crystal tapir]

Thanks!
I'm really attached to this character and I need to do more stuff involving her. I still haven't completely written her backstory yet...

[dark heath]

If you want I can help out later but I am at work on a new oc

[crystal tapir]

I mean, I have the basics down. I just haven't done the actual writing yet.

[dark heath]

Oh that is a cool design!

[sterile marsh]

Does anyone know if Mia is still around? And where did the old pins go?

[crystal tapir]

I just checked, and she's not in the server at the moment. She comes and goes.

[sterile marsh]

Oh, good to know, thanks

[lament meadow]

mia was sadly banned 😦

[sterile marsh]

F. Why though?

[lament meadow]

it was smth sorta small (dont remember) but she just racked up too many offenses

[sterile marsh]

Is asking for tje age of heroes still possible without getting banned? XD

[bleak hull]

Thats unfortunate they got banned

They were one of the more active/well known members

[gritty trail]

Mia had like 9 warnings before the perma ban XD

and a few temp bans too beforehand

[sturdy nova]

Sadge

[dark heath]

Here is a progress shot on one of my ocs

Also I am working on a design as well for @bleak hull so see it here soon!

[bleak hull]

Cant wait to see it

[south yew]

Woah, I love the design, I might try and draw her

[heady viper]

does rowan’s duck have a name?

[spice mulch]

Not that we know

[heady viper]

oh okay ty

[civic geyser]

Mmm

Naise

[fervent stag]

just read the "Guadians of the Abyss" (Gorvo & Seirus union story) and was curious if the monster mentioned there is Gouldos (Chasmic Altar boss) or some other cthulu-like monster in Esperia

[silk widget]

Yes, that was gouldos

He came from the void realm which was briefly mentioned in morael lore

[agile tartan]

looks cool

[dark heath]

Here is request #2 completed

Meet a mauler oc from @bleak hull
Her name is Divira, and her title is the Swift Serpent!

And I want you all to give an opinion on something. I want to bring back one of my oldest ocs from when I first played AFK Arena. If I had to draw her in a Union who would she be with?

By the way her name is Destan and her title is Death’s Squire

[bleak hull]

I absolutely love it!!

[crystal tapir]

I'd need to know more about her to say that.

Also, great job on Divira too. And I'm interested in your other OC's story as well.

[civic geyser]

Looks like someone who would go well with Ferael or Kelthur

For an old oc she looks neat

[bleak hull]

Whats her backstory? Is she more associated with Bantus or is she a banished misfit graveborn

[dark heath]

Before I say that, I have finished another request

Here is @civic geyser oc, Alex The Traveller’s blade!

Destan is a general from the Lightbearers that was betrayed at the hands of a traitor amongst the lightbearers. Her body was taken by the Bantus empire and she was revived

[bleak hull]

How old is destan?

Like was it during the current Hypogean wave of war

Or the during the first

[dark heath]

She is 49 and during the first wave

[dark heath]

I still can’t get over how ugly Raku looks (No offense to any Raku lovers)

[lilac ether]

he fat and raccoon

he's not pippa level of handsome but he alright

now
if we talk about his mannerism...or the lack of it

now that
is ugly

[bleak hull]

Wilders have lower standards in society

[dark heath]

He’s straight up filthy

[bleak hull]

Hes a raccoon

Do you expect him to be dignified

[lilac ether]

ye

they wash their hands and food

in nature usually

[bleak hull]

Also amo+le stink adds to the power

[lilac ether]

i mean im all for tasi getting poop shors in her face in pve but

[lilac ether]

i dont want to see that still

[bleak hull]

Its just his character as it is ig

Its a stereotype that raccoons are filthy

[trail kite]

Raku is a Racoon tier

he is like that because he is a Racoon

[fallen trellis]

He think so therefore he is

[lilac ether]

u are enjoying this arent u

[trail kite]

let talk about bow user

Gwyneth is long bow

[quasi wedge]

god saaaaaaaaaame

[silk widget]

Her name is Desira.

[civic geyser]

Ayyy

Oh god its a skeleton tail

She's cool but definitely unsettling, fit for a siren

She has no pus pus

[trail kite]

that's will stop your hornie mind

[lilac ether]

well shes a man eater not a man pleaser so

u can take that however u want

[civic geyser]

Convenient enough that sirens do just that. Lures men by facading as their desires and then drowns them before eating them

[nocturne wasp]

Is it related to some hero or nothing?

[silk widget]

@nocturne wasp she accompanies the Dead Tide Fleet which is led by Cpt Hodgkin. Nara and her ship may be a part of Dead Tide Fleet.

[quasi wedge]

in original greek lore sirens are part bird not part fish apparently

[rancid terrace]

So I was reading the CN lore google doc that yudiat posted (thank you for compiling all that info and making those docs ) and I was wondering if this image could be a depiction of "Vaduso" ? "A subman named Vaduso sensed the oracle. He saw a holy deer in his dream. The deer was walking towards the east , and Vadoso couldn't help but walk with the deer."

The screenshot is from "The Origin of Winter" artwork from the official art gallery

[agile tartan]

looks awesome

please dont be a celerity

[quasi wedge]

*pls dont be mage i have no plans to bring up my mage tree and i wanna force her to work whether good or bad

[agile tartan]

i want her a support

1 op support in gravebone is good but not enough compared to what lb and wilders have

personally

[quasi wedge]

a true CC support would be really nice

i mean it would make GB op to ALSO have good CC support beyond ferael

but whateverr GB OP already

[agile tartan]

wilders have many cc they need more heros that deal damage, lb have alot of support they too need some damagers, maulers and graveborn need some serious support

wilders need either some a bit more damage or some healers

[quasi wedge]

at least wilders got an upgrade with raku even though i hate his face

[agile tartan]

ye just remembered

but maulers and graveborn have good damagers

[quasi wedge]

a backline healer would be nice yeah, could just rework nemora tho

[agile tartan]

they only need sustain mostly maulers

maulers sustain is pretty bad they do need more supports

[quasi wedge]

nemora is already almost really good, just a liiiiiittle rework...

[agile tartan]

same goes to graveborn they kinda have there own crazy healing

but a support or no

they need a cc unit

[quasi wedge]

anyway mages are fine but i really cant afford bringing up mage tree so i hopebshe's not lol

[vapid musk]

Eironn, Saurus, good Kaz, Raku.....

[quasi wedge]

inb4 tank because lilith dum

[agile tartan]

so i guess that: wilders need better healers, maulers need some support, lb need some damage and graveborn need either support or cc

[quasi wedge]

Really just eironn and raku, thats 2

[agile tartan]

yeah but not sure about kaz

[quasi wedge]

GB has 3 that are all easier to use too

[vapid musk]

And what about Saurus?

[quasi wedge]

mauler has like...2.75

[quasi wedge]

most definitely not main carry material unless you're slapping him in godcomp max supports or something

anyway wrong channel for that

[vapid musk]

Well ok

Btw new gb is first gb that not lb
Finally

[quasi wedge]

???

[vapid musk]

New Siren

[quasi wedge]

first gb that not lb

wut?

[vapid musk]

Most of gb were lb before death, rrrrright?

[quasi wedge]

not really

not everyone lived in the LB kingdom

[vapid musk]

Well ok

[quasi wedge]

thoran had his own kingdom

[vapid musk]

New Siren is first Not Human gb

[quasi wedge]

fine xd

[vapid musk]

Sorry about that, I a little bit stupid when it comes to explanation

[quasi wedge]

nah its ok im usually mild toxic anyway feel free to ignore

[trail kite]

we already have a cc gb...
wait no

not so cc

[silk widget]

Siren looks very likely to be a support hero imo

[trail kite]

the siren definitely the Wilder in the past life

GB, a cc... take my Ferael now

[bleak hull]

Its not definite that it was a wilder or mauler in past life

Some gb developed animal trates

Such as feraels wings and vedan being bats

And isa having horns and a tail

[dark heath]

God she's beyond perfect. Would definitely simp for. Haven't felt this way about a hero since Mirael and Safiya

[trail kite]

fish bone siren

[bleak hull]

Her designs very interesting bc when she lures her prey all they see is a beautiful lady in the water, however underneath the water shows the horror of her full form

[trail kite]

fish bone mermaid

[civic geyser]

She's a healer support who summons a healing mist

Nice

[dark heath]

What if I ship Desire and Silas

Haha

Unless 👉👈

[mortal gull]

Then we will probably have a mechanical mermaid

[trail kite]

I will 🛳️ Desire with Nara soon

[silk widget]

Smfh... get cheated on and killed by your besr friend.

[trail kite]

Desira and her toxic friends

unhealthy friendship

Desira has to take and revenge...
unhealthy friendship

[sullen saddle]

[south yew]

😔 👌 this new hero looks so damn amazing

[sturdy nova]

Does anyone remember where was the mention of kullin city?

[bleak hull]

Thank god shes a support

[silk widget]

@sturdy nova grotesque mage

[civic geyser]

I expected her to be a mage but Support is better

Also you think her mist is a weather effect? It could mean a sandstorm, blizzard, or blossom fall can cancel it out

Otherwise her heal can stack with Silas' healing fog and nobody will die

[sturdy nova]

Righhtt? I knew it had to do with idre

We getting a new lb supposedly

[sturdy nova]

It's not weather effect afaik, no icon appears near faction bonus circle

[trail kite]

dolly spoiled another heroes

[vapid musk]

Kuilin? Isn't that the City where Wake(idk how his name pronounced in English lmao) and his Shark Circus from?

[silk widget]

@vapid musk yes to your question

[vapid musk]

Well well well
Can't wait to see his lore

[sturdy nova]

Also, where is actually the grotesque mage referred to as "idre"? Can i get an ss?

[simple vine]

the first circus event

[vapid musk]

In battle with him

[simple vine]

for some reasons it's changed into "Gaston"

[small linden]

Hold up. Sirens were supposed to be a myth, and all of a sudden Quaedam "makes" one?

[sturdy nova]

Wut?

[simple vine]

This is a fantasy game wdy expect

[trail kite]

Kuilin city.... wait...that's another place in Esperia
where Magical hat come

[small linden]

Idk, Nara died at sea AND got resurrected by Quaedam too, but she's just a graveborn not a siren.

[simple vine]

I mean, unless you too make things all the same and not sometimes make it new and surprising

[small linden]

Graveborn are the faction we got the most lore of, but they contradict themselves like Naras and Desiras case, or that Izold never really died, also leaving too many plot holes like what happened to Annih, why haven't we seen Quaedam as a playable hero when he's basically everywhere

[simple vine]

The idea of everyone graveborn has to be either human shaped or siren is boring

[bleak hull]

Bc lore wise these characters such as dura, annih and quaedam are too op for this game

Also the origins of graveborn lore mentions annih went into absence after the first war

[simple vine]

i mean even if quaedam is not that op he can be something like

when Lucy gets 100% brain usage

[small linden]

Yeah, that guy would win any battle easy, necromancy plus level 100 mental manipulation, gg

[bleak hull]

Not any battle

Hes powerful

But not that powerful to withstand any battle no matter its strength or size

[agile tartan]

i called it

the gb chick is support

[small linden]

Technically speaking, Quaedam has been dead for quite a while so if he was to roam the land he'd be a ghost since decaying is a thing meaning no physical damage whatsoever

[agile tartan]

i even said it gonna have some sort of waves and dead fishs

and she does have those

[bleak hull]

They have thier own ways of taking care of their bodies

Through necromancy i most assume

[small linden]

Possession?

[trail kite]

smoking fishbone

[bleak hull]

Also if a graveborn ever does loose their physical form bc they didnt take care of their body, then they can get a new one from niru's graveyard

[trail kite]

yes...

[agile tartan]

she seem decent

some say op

[small linden]

Well how about having Esperias greatest undead empire in his complete will?

[agile tartan]

what the graveborn name again?

i forgot

[bleak hull]

Desira

[agile tartan]

Drisa?

oh

Desira

anyway

she seem really different that her art

her tail isnt the big than i expected

[bleak hull]

Alone he could be beaten luckily he has all of bantus under his call

[vapid musk]

Im a little bit confused with Desire lore
She became a Siren because her body was chopped or what

[small linden]

Yes and because Quaedam sensed her unrest he just brought her back as a siren

[vapid musk]

Oh ok, thanks!

[small linden]

It does contradict previous Graveborn lore that says amphibian species such as sirens should be blessed by Aiya to exist so undead sirens are impossible but Desira is the "living" proof that's not true so...

[silk widget]

The sirens are supposedly a form of Graveborn that appear to be transformations of a long-extinct amphibious species. Many doubt their existence, calling them mere legends, as most amphibious species are blessed by Aiya, which should make them impossible to bind with necromancy.

Wel, it says "most of" but not "all of". And from her lore, is she called a siren due to her look?

[sturdy nova]

The key word here is "most", did she miss out on some?

[sturdy nova]

Oh, you said it

[silk widget]

We could also infer that the real siren species has been extinct, and desira took the nickname siren due to her physical similarity

[alpine barn]

I like this idea of Quaedam being unable to bind natural-born wilders, so he makes his own versions from dead lightbearers

[trail kite]

wilder are being protected

[civic geyser]

I like to think Quaedam might end up being a future boss

We have Gouldos, even Ezizh

With his power I can see him as more of a boss threat than a playable character

Also imagine Nara as a mermaid

No more jeans

Just bone tail

[forest oar]

If we would have a siren Nara I think she would still have tiny bits of jeans hanging from her bone tail. Just to spite us

[lilac ether]

jeans hook holder

[final fjord]

Mhm

[sterile marsh]

Ima go fishin for fish girls idk what would work as bait tho?

How old was Lyca?

[sturdy nova]

You will be a perfect bait

[fallen trellis]

Maybe uhh

Catfish

[sturdy nova]

Does desira smoke from her conch?

I mean it sure does look like she's smoking from it, and blows it once or twice

[sterile marsh]

Nice

[silk widget]

I'm kinda disappointed with Desira lore. You do get to know some new supporting characters but there is no connection/relationship in Desira lore to the other heroes at all.

Morael lore is so good that I was expecting a little bit too much in Desira lore 😩

[spice mulch]

At least we got a direct mention of Quaedam

[uneven echo]

POV: Desira is the antithesis of Mehira :v

[spice mulch]

Players that know nothing about the lore will think that's a new hero

[uneven echo]

Hey at least we have a bit more intel on quadeams power hold

Able to bring back mythical creatures

Seriously though, im starting to think that Quaedeam and the rest of the graveborns are starting to become as much of a threat as the hypogeans are.

[bleak hull]

The graveborn arent as much as a threat bc as much as we know they have no direct intentions on taking over all of Espiria in conquest

Plus what makes Hypogeans so horrifyingly a threat is that they can kill a god

[uneven echo]

Yeah and besides those twin beasts lucretia has are scary op

[bleak hull]

Technically the twins have her

[crystal tapir]

(reads Safiya's Union Story for the first time)

(has the sudden urge to fodder Safiya)

I'm biased, but I just don't like evil characters. Especially when they're specifically hired to murder my favorite character.

[bleak hull]

I think thats more of a side ambition

Ankhira probably cares more about the meat shes getting

And if its vurks meat then

Extra happy spider

[crystal tapir]

👟

[uneven echo]

I doubt safiya will fulfill her promise. She's more inclined to get her throne back than to find vurk. If it brings comfort, she might just see it as an inconvenience and would do away with Ankhira if it comes to it after she gets her role back, or even during her role as side ruler of the arachnids.

[bleak hull]

In chinese lore she did infact become queen of the sphinx again

And if she does come across vurk she would probably take the chance but i doubt its a high priority of hers

[crystal tapir]

I was under the impression that she was the last sphinx by her own hand, but clearly I misremembered.

Must have gotten it mixed up with something that happened in some other franchise. Or something.

[uneven echo]

But still she is still pretty sh*tty of a feline centaur. Wouldn't be surprised if she gets exiled again 3 years into ruling 😂

[bleak hull]

She cant get exiled if shes the queen

[crystal tapir]

Vive la revolution

[uneven echo]

Only when the army lets the people

Sorry had to correct that

[bleak hull]

As long as she has ankhiras support she wont be expecting a rebellion anytime soon

[uneven echo]

Wait shes still working with ankhira? She must REALLY want that poison back

[bleak hull]

I mean if my ruler had an army of spiders 3 times the size of me i would keep my mouth shut

[crystal tapir]

I think Ankhira's in it for revenge for her wounded pride more than the poison itself.

[bleak hull]

The trade is that ankhira helps safiyas military forces and in return ankhira gets sphinx for her tribes meals

Yes safiya feeds her people to the arachin

[crystal tapir]

Oh... so I wasn't too far off when I mistakenly thought she genocided her own race.

[bleak hull]

That could also control the population to prevent rebellion

The arachin value food more then riches

[uneven echo]

Yikes, she basically pulled a "promised neverland."

[crystal tapir]

With all this in mind, do you think it would be in-character of her to just black-hole some random durri she happens to spot, just boredly shrugging when told that she killed the wrong one because they all look the same to her?

[bleak hull]

Ankhira mentions her people dont farm they "simply hunger"

[uneven echo]

She has the power so I dont see why not.

[crystal tapir]

I ask because I still hadn't decided exactly how my OC died before getting Graveborn'd.

[bleak hull]

Safiya is smart she knows an out of the ordinary durri when she sees one

And vurk isnt your average durri

[crystal tapir]

I was figuring it was less "didn't know" and more "really didn't care".

[uneven echo]

Thinking about it, you know for a system like that most of the sphinx population would opt to become militarized thus leading to an outcome where there could potentially be a coup. Unless she just straights up ignores the sphinx population entirely.

[bleak hull]

Most of her military is made up of the arachin

[silk widget]

What genocide? I dont remember safiya feed ankhira her people. She did ask ankhira to get rid of the chasers who had been pursuing her

[uneven echo]

Sorry, my point being that militarized sphinx would be opted out from being food

[bleak hull]

What do you mean by opted?

[crystal tapir]

Presumably, allowed to live.

[uneven echo]

^

[bleak hull]

Theres not much info at all, basically none of the sphinx military before the arachin

[uneven echo]

Double yikes, looks like the arachnids are growing food .-. And safiya is the farmer

[silk widget]

As for hungry power, i did mention about a conspiracy theory regarding safiya wanted to own the entire maulers tribes, so she might have some part in the murder of the previous grand chieftain before skriath

[bleak hull]

Also when people say she simply does not care, about her people or that she thinks all durri are the same, she may not be very humble but shes extremely intelligent if she noticed her people getting out of hand she would know, since shes done it before herself

[bleak hull]

Safiya is one of the most impressive characters i know off, shes come all this way and if this theory is true she seems like the kind of person who could pull it of

Rags to riches queen

[uneven echo]

Rags to riches indeed. I lowkey want to see her control the entire tribe

[bleak hull]

She does control a whole tribe

[uneven echo]

I meant as like an animated video or comic XD

[crystal tapir]

[OC:] (emaciated due to being in exile, just starting to barely figure out how to get by)
[Safiya:] (sees OC in the distance out of the corner of her eye)
[Safiya:] (fires halfhearted spell without even a second thought)
[OC:] (is killed in one hit)
[Safiya:] (checks the body)
[Safiya:] "Oh. Wrong one. Whatever. One less smelly vermin in the world." (whistles and walks away)

[bleak hull]

She would defo have a palanquin no one can change my mind

[silk widget]

And also the fact that safiya was able to learn taboo magic from the void realm is also very fascinating. Show how much greed she has in her mind

[dark heath]

Who is Quaedam🤔

[crystal tapir]

Yeah, she's probably the third-most powerful mage we know of, behind Pippa and Ainz.

[crystal tapir]

He invented necromancy in Esperia.

[lilac ether]

why pippa specifically

[dark heath]

So a hypo?

[uneven echo]

I will be rolling if she is also misled by ainzs personality as one of royalty. Considering his true backstory XD

[bleak hull]

He was the original graveborn

[uneven echo]

Graveborn ruler*

[dark heath]

Interesting

[crystal tapir]

Pippa is known to be able to learn any spell just by looking at it. Flat-out says that in her bio.

[lilac ether]

i see

i just glanced over it when i read hers on release

difnt think of the ramifications

[bleak hull]

Anyway about Safiya in my opinion she's ruling the sphinx much better then the previous Queen, she thought herself that her people were being led to neglect by the current monarchy and now shes leading them to greatness.

[lilac ether]

their society was stable and thrir queen loved

i doubt they see it in thr same light

[bleak hull]

How her people feel about her maybe negative but none the less shes atleast doing more then the previous Queen

[crystal tapir]

Emphasis on "she thought".\

[uneven echo]

Yeah it says on their backstory that their society was stable

Before she ruled

Unless it says something completely different in another translation

[bleak hull]

Yeah ik im just saying shes doing alot more

[crystal tapir]

Whether that's a good thing is the question.

[lilac ether]

what was the pretense for the coup she used again?
led to a weak state and being vulnerable to an invade from outside forces?

[crystal tapir]

"Doing more" doesn't mean "doing better".

[bleak hull]

The Sphinx are great but if they were ruled by a weak ruler even if their society was stable eventually they could of been overthrown

Which is what exactly happened

[crystal tapir]

Sort of like a paralell with what happened to Thoran.

[bleak hull]

Yes

[crystal tapir]

Edwin felt justified in what he did because he saw Thoran as weak despite how popular he was.

[uneven echo]

All it basically teaches is that dictatorships are hell 😐

[bleak hull]

Safiya made a union with one of the most feared tribes and she has the planning and the intelligence to be able to even conquer other tribes

[crystal tapir]

See, an effective ruler doesn't mean a good ruler.

[bleak hull]

For example
Students hate teachers that are strict even tho they learn more, but love teachers that are fun bc they dont have to do as much hard work

[crystal tapir]

If she gets her way, the rest of the tribes may decide enough is enough and that killing her is worth the risk of being Arachin'd.

[uneven echo]

Whats happening here is an ex queen bribing a nation with her own kind and a bunch of rats. What are they learning other than to wish for her death to come sooner 😂

[crystal tapir]

(wonders if Durri hate being called rats or mice, considering how much it seems to be used as a racial slur against them)

[bleak hull]

She wants a path of more power and empire for her tribe, thats maulers nature, she can't just treat her subjects kindly while an entire fleat could be heading her way the next minute

[crystal tapir]

And yet there's Skriath, who's both benevolent and an effective warlord.

[bleak hull]

Yes she puts her population through a hard time but she still has plans for a bigger empire

[uneven echo]

Then train the sphinx in the way of magic since she can summon an entire sun by herself

Put them through the same gruesome regiment as most other maulers and go from there :p

[bleak hull]

Just hopefully her empire doesnt end up like bantus. As in never giving the empire a chance to settle instead never ending conquering

[crystal tapir]

"Are you going to listen to me, or someone who dresses up like Michael Jackson to play jazz?" - Safiya, probably

[bleak hull]

Lowkey sounds like something she would say

[uneven echo]

definitely something she would say

[bleak hull]

Do you mean skreg

[uneven echo]

Sorry correction

I wonder how the other maulers reacted to Skregs beast

[crystal tapir]

According to Vurk, apparently ol' Savagehorn smells really bad. So there's at least one reason the other Durri would give Skreg funny looks.

[bleak hull]

Not to mention its 10 times thier size

Well savagehorn probably produces a large amount of after waste no wonder it smells bad

[uneven echo]

Skreg after hearing vurk insult his new found friend:

[bleak hull]

Imagine if he came home with a massive monster 10 times the size of him just to call it fluffy

[crystal tapir]

<(YER A WIZARD, HARRY)
<(...?)

[uneven echo]

@bleak hull As a reasonable person, I would say: "are you demented?"
As an honest person: "aww.... that's cute."

[bleak hull]

I still cant get my head around where kren got a canon the same height as him

[uneven echo]

Im more wrapped around how he can handle the recoil.

[crystal tapir]

One thing's for sure: however he got it, it wasn't legally.

[bleak hull]

For sure

[uneven echo]

I mean maybe it was, he might of found it in a junkyard :>

[crystal tapir]

I wouldn't be surprised if he mugged a Dimensional or something considering how much more futuristic-looking his guns are.

[uneven echo]

Dwarven technology is pretty advanced from what I heard

[crystal tapir]

...point taken.

[uneven echo]

What happened to the dwarves anyways? There's hardly any trace of their existence in the game. Are they still populated in the lb kingdoms?

[crystal tapir]

Morvus.

[uneven echo]

Yeah there's him, but he seems to be like one of those "im the last few remaining kind of my people"

[crystal tapir]

There's also a whole bunch of non-playable dwarves as enemies once you get to the southern continent.

[uneven echo]

Well im currently in chapter 21, when should I expect to see more :p

[bleak hull]

Nah hes just a little angry scottish man

[uneven echo]

^This makes more sense xD

[lilac ether]

@frank meteor

this the same one u saw?

looks better to me tbh

[frank meteor]

The nose is weird

But the clothes are better

I don't rly like her clothes atm, that's why I ask for a skin

And still that weird forehead

[spice mulch]

I want a male mauler that is just a human with animal ears and tail (feet too pls)

For variety purposes

[simple vine]

(i mean anoki is the closest to that)

[spice mulch]

Kinda

[bleak hull]

Wouldnt goldus be the closest to that

[spice mulch]

He's a centaur

Nemora is a sheeptaur

Or whatever

They are ok

[bleak hull]

Still less animal

[spice mulch]

Half animal

[silk widget]

Numisu might be a lb in disguise

[civic geyser]

Who knows what's under that mask

Most of his body is quite human

[silk widget]

Under that mask is another mask

[agile tartan]

i do have a mauler idea

that i might try to describe

SO ITS GONNA BE: a flying giant manta that will wont be hittable like flora and will fly, it will have 3 bunnies on it, there will be a human sized kren looking bunny, a cute lil bunny and a normal looking bunny, 1 of them will throw dynamite and bombs, one will throw traps to stun enemies and last one will throw meds to heal allies, they will all be on the giant manta in the sky dropping these stuff, i think it would be a cool hero idea

idk about the name of the hero tbh

[jaunty nacelle]

bruh

sounds more like a wilder

[dark heath]

Why are some Maulers so much smaller than others? Compare behemoths like Tidus, Brutus, Warek to literal dwarves like Drez, Kren, Numisu etc...

[bleak hull]

Drez and kren are durri

Durri are small

And Numisu is just old af

[dark heath]

So Maulers shrink when they age?

[mossy parcel]

No

They're based off different species of animals

Durri are based off rodents, so they're smaller

Warek is a bear, Tidus a wolf, ect, so their height and build reflects the animal they're based off

[dark heath]

Hmm makes sense but then again characters like Kaz and Lyca are based on small animals too but they’re not as small as the durri maulers

[bleak hull]

The durri specifically are small

[bleak hull]

Tidus is a wolf or kayote

[bleak hull]

Numisu is just naturally small

And some people get smaller as they age

As in late life age

[mossy parcel]

Wolf I'd assume, coyotes tend to be smaller than wolves

ANDJD WOOPS

I originally wrote Brutus there but changed it

Didn't change the other half of the sentence, sorry!

[bleak hull]

The animal they are doesnt mean they're going to be that size

[mossy parcel]

. . .

[bleak hull]

So he could be koyote

[mossy parcel]

This was just a guess

I guess?

[bleak hull]

But ye he his more like a wolf

[forest oar]

We get that Durri are at least rodent based. Can we go further and define what exact animals they are?
I mean it's easy with Vurk. He's a rat.
But what about Kren and Drez?

[lament meadow]

i always saw kren as a marten and drez as a stoat

i dont think theyre just rodents, more like rodents and animals that get confused for rodents

[civic geyser]

In everyone else's defense they have rodent like traits

Breeding fast, quick and smart, a little crazy

[bleak hull]

All i know is that kren's friends are gophers

Skreg and vurk are most likely rats

As for drez

Maybe a stoat

But stoats usually have longer bodies

[civic geyser]

Maybe he's a ferret

[bleak hull]

Ferrets are as long as stoats

They are very similar animals

[civic geyser]

Can't think of much else

[lament meadow]

idk, it might be drezs floofy tail thats throwing me off

[civic geyser]

His face would help

But its masked

[crystal tapir]

I still maintain that durri are a fictional species, and Kren's wanted poster will vouch for that.

It lists "durri" as his species, not his tribe.

IIRC, they're all called "Ratmen"/"Wererats" in the Chinese and Japanese versions.

[civic geyser]

Wererats amazing

[crystal tapir]

(Which is why my current username says I, Lendri Mujina, am going to hug all the ワーラット ("wāratto").)

[civic geyser]

Im learning Japanese

So I can understand the katakana and hiragana

Not the kanji tho

[crystal tapir]

I'm in about the same boat. I still use a dictionary for most.

[quasi wedge]

errrrr i wouldn't use that abbreviation if you aren't japanese yourself (and even if you were, uhhhh)

[lament meadow]

yeah like...thats an actual racial slur, highly recommend avoiding it in the future

[broken citrus]

Yeah, that term isn't flattering. Its on the same level of the N and R and G.

But I suppose to most people, the racist terms to asians aren't 'as bad' as the N. Maybe that's why people like to use it just out of the blue thinking its okay or they got some pass for it.

[crystal tapir]

Devil's advocate for a moment, most people I talk to about it just plain don't know it's a term used in that way. For instance, there was a couple who were mistakenly convinced it was just how "Japanese" was abbreviated in some games when it came to language settings. (It wasn't. It was actually "JPN" and the person misremembered.)

That particular one was a conversation on Miiverse, for the record.

[quasi wedge]

i mean, no one is accusing them of doing it on purpose, there's no need to try and explain it

[crystal tapir]

My mistake.

[civic geyser]

...

Oh, well good to know my mistake

Just that I have never heard that word before used so I don't even know

So Im sorry

But still I have no idea why that would be a slur compared to other words

[broken citrus]

Long story short, it was used against Japanese people during WW II and before. But prevalently during and after WW II.

Also like, "I have no idea why that would be a slur compared to other words" is generally a not very good thing to say if the general consensus and from the ethnicity that's being slurred on says "hey, kindly don't."

[civic geyser]

Again, I am sorry

[broken citrus]

If you want a bit of understanding, google is readily available too you know.

[civic geyser]

Im lazy

And you guys are better at explaining

[broken citrus]

Mmm. Well, that certainly shows your colours. Best not to openly let yourself out like that.

[civic geyser]

Trying not to come off as a dick but miserably failing

...

Im just going to stop typing in this chat now

[spice mulch]

https://amp.reddit.com/r/AskHistorians/comments/2gnqi6/why_are_the_words_japs_and_nips_considered/

I can't believe r*ddit is useful sometimes

[mild kayak]

so.. is thanes last name rayne or.. like I know they said he was friends with Baden but like. thane rayne

[vale grove]

Sadly, Thane's last name is not know

[bleak hull]

He is not apart of the Rayne family

Yet

[jaunty nacelle]

wtf is "japs"

[spice mulch]

A derogatory term, pretty offensive

[bleak hull]

I have theory that Belinda along with the other High Priests of the temple of light are more powerful then you may first think

So first of the Lightbearers are very religious if not the most religious faction

The Lightbearer union follows the same rules as the feudal system

Meaning they have a pyramid of power

Which means that the higher you are on the pyramid would show your power in the system heres an example
King/Queen
High Priests
Barons
Lord/Ladies
Knights
Puplic

Abyssal expedition proves that they may run by the feudal system

Also how there are serveral heroes that have these certain titles

So if they do run by the feudal system then the church have alot of power all the way from medical to educational and even serious governmental buisness

So High Priests/Priestess such as Belinda have alot more power in the Kingdom then initially thought

[civic geyser]

This is why church and state were separated

[dark heath]

[vale grove]

@trail kite I think you'll like this (sorry for the @ by the way)

[trail kite]

back

victory together

[dark heath]

Side by side

Two homies

Standing in victory

C h i ll i n g

[trail kite]

chill button

they're chilling

[sturdy nova]

Netflix and chill?

[trail kite]

🍿

[dark heath]

O he huggin

[trail kite]

except he Yeeted his hand for now

[south yew]

Yeah I was about to say

His hand kinda not attached

[torpid cobalt]

[agile tartan]

sometimes antandra and drez do the same victory

fucking lazy to take a screenshot of it

[quasi wedge]

doubt it, adding text doesn’t really generate revenue

[sturdy nova]

So, guys, desira isn't a true siren is she?

I mean the lore states in a way that she just looks like a siren and not IS a siren

Since her tail is literally extended backbone

[bleak hull]

All fish tails are their spine

[south yew]

^

[peak nimbus]

I kind of want to make a few audio pieces on the lore we are given. I know that many people would like to learn more about the characters in the game, but are intimidated by the sheer amount of reading material that is given.

Idk if that’s ok or not, though.

[civic geyser]

Afk lore audiobook

Id listen to it while playing

[sturdy nova]

What about rights?

I mean there must be some formalities involved

[sturdy nova]

thanks, makes sense

[dark heath]

I don't think fan works have to get those unless you are selling it.

[sturdy nova]

Okee

[dusky gyro]

I don’t think anyone’s posted this yet

[lament meadow]

they have but its still interesting

[sturdy nova]

Some sort of pirate dwarf has been voiced

[dark heath]

And a new hero already.

[bleak hull]

The new comic thing is the most wholesome thing I've seen today

[trail kite]

Niru and Shemira teach their son good

Daimon is a good undead boi

[agile tartan]

the weird thing that they said that they wouldnt share hero until next month from the old one they already realised

for example

sense desira just dropped, they can realise a new hero 1 month after he realise

that what they said

[crystal tapir]

Where?

[agile tartan]

there's some comic book thing like anime

idk where i can find it to share it here

[crystal tapir]

...yyyyou mean a manga?

[agile tartan]

nah

manga is white and black

[crystal tapir]

dagblabbit, replied to the wrong post

[agile tartan]

its likecomic book but they look like an actual anime

hmm lemme find one

brb

i couldnt find it sorry'

i dont remember where is it

[agile tartan]

Can someone explain what is this?

[sudden thicket]

Did u mean to post that in #classic-questions

[agile tartan]

oh

think, sorry

[sudden thicket]

Ok

[quasi wedge]

maybe it has secret lore properties

[lilac ether]

probably just a tbd new feature

for chat bubbles

rok their other game has it also

somewhat customisable

[gritty trail]

Les go AFK cast going 5g pog

[crystal tapir]

I'm getting very mixed messages on how welcoming the Noble Tavern is of other factions.

[south yew]

pfft

[fallen trellis]

Wilder buddies tho

[dark heath]

You can just check the official feed.

[gritty trail]

#social-media-feed

they always send their posts there

[civic geyser]

Ah

Hehehe new comic is so cute

Perks of dying as a kid: You're forever innocent

[mossy parcel]

[lilac ether]

think what would racism be if its now speciesm also

bet the lb are ok with the wilders because they look more humanoid than animals

[crystal tapir]

Pippa, Saurus, and Raku beg to differ.
Lightbearers and Maulers have just historically clashed and it turned into a vicious cycle. (Though the lightbearers were indisputably the initial aggressors.) They're currently at peace, but that peace is on a razor's edge. You could see this in full force in the Depths of Time 3 VoW.

[lilac ether]

so peaks of time 3 technically the past?

i thought its somewhat recent

well now that i think about it
all the endings but one initates the hypogen invasion

or just kills everyone

[crystal tapir]

That's Zolrath's whole deal. He sends you back in time in hopes that you'll screw things up.

[lilac ether]

ye that do be making sense u go back and forth by portals

[crystal tapir]

Trying to write the backstory of my OC, but I probably not do the sense-make because 1 in the morning.
Only just started getting going, but already I'm wondering if any sense is being made.

[spice mulch]

Rowan and Angelo's father...

[trail kite]

Rowan and Angelo's dad sure is rich

[spice mulch]

He's dead

[agile tartan]

lol

[bitter epoch]

L

[civic geyser]

F

[trail kite]

is he died for being poisoned or ?

[hazy willow]

I like to think that Arthur is a parallel universe version of Hogan

[bleak hull]

Im guessing mostly from thier similar looks

[hazy willow]

Similar looks, similar voice, just a fun little thing i thought of

[woven fulcrum]

Bandits, it was on Shemira's union story iirc

Man if he were that rich, he should've hire some good-ass bodyguard everywhere he goes.

Could even hire mauler as well

[spice mulch]

Any ideas on the the purpose of this?

[sudden thicket]

No also did you mean to post that in #classic-questions

[spice mulch]

No

[sudden thicket]

Ok

[spice mulch]

It has something with Esperia in it

[sudden thicket]

I dont know if the word esperia automattically makes it fitting with lore topic but ok

Maybe it will be used in lore later idk

[lilac ether]

tells u what guidies and friends did

and shows your own

ascended this
stargazed that etc

[sudden thicket]

I think he means the "all" tab i may be wrong

[lilac ether]

oh

news is also guildies i think so not sure

[spice mulch]

The "all" tab

[crystal tapir]

Imagine if furniture shopping worked like it does in the game.

<("For the last time, we just need some pet supplies. Not 17 dressers, 28 chairs, and 48 potted plants.")
<("Sorry, if you guys want something specific, you need a scroll.")
<("I USED a scroll and you gave me a cauldron. What am I even supposed to do with that?")

[trail kite]

Can Saurus swim?

[south yew]

probably

[trail kite]

is he a water lizard

[south yew]

i mean even if he wasnt, he looks like he lives in a moist place such as a damp forest so im sure he could swim

[slate valley]

Didnt know we can get that many in 1 pull

[gritty trail]

wrong chat

[trail kite]

also he need some water to get moist

[distant tiger]

If I remember rightly, the CN version said Saurus is a water lizard

[trail kite]

maybe he needs some water in order to make him survive

[bleak hull]

Well he can perfectly fight on land

I think hes just semi aquatic

[trail kite]

yeah.. he can stay on the ground

and swim

[civic geyser]

So, he's amphibious

It makes sense

[small linden]

To all lore readers, who do you think gave Isabella the Tome of the Dead and why and whose hand pulls her in said book?

[dark heath]

Harry Potter?

[bleak hull]

Most likely vedan

And its probably just an enchantment that pulls her inside the book as a way of protection

[small linden]

How though?

He hasn't got any powers except turning into bats and blood-provided immortality

[bleak hull]

Its mentioned she learnt advanced necromancy from Vedans large collection of arcanic books

He is apart of a secret organisation that study the arcane

And unfortunately he was never gifted with the powers of necromancy which made his long wish of immortality far

So he had Isabella perform a ritual to turn him and her into somewhat graveborn

[crystal tapir]

With this being the case, I can't help but wonder what their ties to Qaedam are, if any.

[bleak hull]

They are apart of an organisation that study the arcane but in Lightbearer society

Its possible some of them feed information to Qaedam

Because Qaedam cant simply waltz into a lightbearer kingdom if probably is still curious on what happens outside of the bantus empire

And the cult/organisation Vedan is apart of are spreading the art of arcane or necromancy further

[crystal tapir]

In that case, I'd better look into the other characters' lore more...

[bleak hull]

I got the fact of the organisation from the origins of the graveborn lore

[bleak hull]

Hold on Peggy's story is told as a simple past tense fairytale is the lore based in the future

This lore specifically

[civic geyser]

It's most likely

[bleak hull]

Wait a minute

[civic geyser]

Like, the future where Angelo has a daughter

[bleak hull]

Doesnt he have daughter currently

I just remembered that him and rowan are related

[civic geyser]

Yes they are brothers

[trail kite]

it's like the future

[bleak hull]

Woah i thought they were cousins but ok

[trail kite]

it's tell on the future

[bleak hull]

Ah that makes sense

So at that time in the future peggy is possibly the Queen

[civic geyser]

Im still convinced Rowan and Peggy will end up marrying each other anyway

[bleak hull]

Really? she seems to really not like him

[civic geyser]

I mean, first of all they are still kids and it's understandable for them to hate each other

But also, i don't think they've even seen each other in person before in the present

There's a lot of room for a haters to friends dynamic

[bleak hull]

In her lore she sees him as an illusion in the fog

If rowan did become king he would have more power in his merchant businesses

Or he might need to drop that bc of royal duties

[trail kite]

pippa reaction to tasi

sorry for bad moments

[bleak hull]

Also this 'coming soon sticker' in every lore what is it for exactly

[civic geyser]

Not sure actually, but during the Joker/Queen releases it showed some persona themed invitation card

[forest oar]

Sometimes I think the Developers just forgot that this "coming soon" still existed..

[rose nacelle]

Hero idea.
Lightbearer
Dreadbeard
The Dwarven Scourge.
Ultimate: The Maiden
At the start of battles, Dreadbeard appears on a ship with hp equal to 2000% of his attack rating. The ship cannot be healed but cam take other buffs. Two allies may join him if they are behind him. Enemies cannot attack those on the ship until it is destroyed.
Active. Dreadbeard fires 3 cannonballs randomly at 3 targets, each dealing 200% of his attack rating as Aoe damage and stunning for 2.5 seconds . If an enemy is in the backline, all three will hit them and knock them back, stunning them for 7.5 seconds

If the ship is destroyed, Dreadbread will sulk, gaining 120 dodge points, for 5 seconds until he acquires a dinghy with 1000% of his attack rating as health, which cannot carry allies and fires only 2 cannonballs.

Skill 2: Get to work!
Dreadbeard commands his crew to maintain the ship, healing it for 30% of its health.

Skill 3: Gut the lasses!
Dreadbeard shouts angrily at the team, rilimg them up for battle. They gain a 15% attack rating boost and 20% damage reduction.

Skill 4: Terror of the seas.
Dreadbeard prepares to engage his enemy.
The ship takes 30% less damage.

[civic geyser]

What would his SI and furn be

[rose nacelle]

SI: Mariner' Cutlass.

Whenever an enemy does a total of 25% damage to the ship, a cannon ball is fired at them.
10+: Whenever an enemy does 10% damage to the ship, a cannonball is fired at the.
20+: Upon entry, the ship gains a mast, boosting the haste of all onboard by 15%
30+: Haste is boosted by 30%

[civic geyser]

Not bad

[rose nacelle]

Furniture:
3/9: Dreadbeard summons two dwarven crewmates at the start of battles, with 120% of his attack rating as health. They run into the enemy, knocking them back and stunning them for 2.5 seconds.

9/9: As long as the Maiden remains, a crewmate will be summoned every 9 seconds, and will charge into the enemy.

@civic geyser what do you think

The ship can reach up to 2700% with skill ups

But it doesnt share his armor

[civic geyser]

It's pretty cool but Im trying to thonk of how busted that much health actually is, even without healing

[rose nacelle]

Basically its stall with extra steps

With spam aoe stuns

[civic geyser]

I think what makes it strong is that allies on it can't be hit until its gone

[rose nacelle]

Yeah thets the strongest part

Makes a lot of shit possible

[civic geyser]

His other skills are pretty good at least

[rose nacelle]

Yip yip.

[civic geyser]

Is he a tank hero?

[rose nacelle]

Yeah

[civic geyser]

Enough said

[rose nacelle]

Screee

[dark heath]

Today, Tasi visited Daimon and Daimon made a 'catching butterflies with a net' emote

Needless to say, Tasi was disappointed

[rose nacelle]

Nara hook still works

To remove an ally from the ship

[civic geyser]

I imagine an innocent Daimon amazed because its the first time he saw a talking butterfly so he wants to catch more of them

[dark heath]

Wholesome (?)

[rose nacelle]

Cc still works

The ship will remain even if he dies

But cc works

You just cant damage anyone on the boat

It makes it worse, but it has to be balanced somehow

Otherwise you meet him in campaign and you just lose

[bleak hull]

Wouldnt the ship take up alot of the battle field space? Does the ship last the whole battle or only for certain skills?

[rose nacelle]

@bleak hull whole battle

As long as it isnt destroyed

[bleak hull]

Seems a bit extra and wouldn't leave nearly half as much space for the other heroes

I might be understanding your concept wrong tho

Overall the attacks and character are amazingly

[rose nacelle]

@bleak hull lmao it doesnt a literal ship

More like a platform with a ship motif

[trail kite]

https://youtu.be/J76owWvckUc

there's the part that GB design are base on gothic

[trail kite]

also one scene when they draw Baden...
they use bones, animal bones as a little reference

[civic geyser]

Epic

[coral zodiac]

@vale grove

[vale grove]

I HAVE TO WATCH THIS VIDEO NOW

opens video

[lilac ether]

good video

its actually weird to hear them talk about how its the characters that came in firet then the world

[silk widget]

That video is a joy to watch if you are a sucker for lore

[distant tiger]

I don't know if it's just me, but I'm so glad they pushed through with the whole thing even though things were so shaky at the beginning

I feel like the characters are just so lovable, I can't imagine if I had not picked up this game

[trail kite]

true reason to continue the afk game....art

[agile tartan]

the game kinda started not being afk

the only afk thing is the loot chest honestly

and etc on all events too when u afk for essence

[trail kite]

the art is the fave

[agile tartan]

yep

[distant tiger]

Yeah the art is unique

Always amazes me how Vedan sounds so scary in the lore but is quite cute and cringey in his sprite

[silk widget]

I played for the afk part but staying for the lore. 😻

[agile tartan]

i think ill go now start my desira drawing

will probably take me 1-2 hrs cuz i use only sharp pencil for drawing

anyway cya

[trail kite]

me read the lore

[sturdy nova]

Woah, that seems such a good enabler, especially his 9f, but isn't every 9s a bit busted/too much of a leap considering how 3f just summons them once?

But the maiden is all he will be about

But he'll be a carry too, those cannons sound huge hits

His passive is like arthur 30 isn't it? I mean the range behind, and is he melee? If yes then does his ship move forward with him taking along the allies or dropping them off? Even though he does sound ranged on his ship

And isn't the 30% heal like too busted? What do you plan for the cooldown for that skill? Get to wrk

[crystal tapir]

Does he have a specific goal in mind with his playstyle design?

@rose nacelle My advice is, answer four questions and tweak him around your answers there:

1. What heroes work well with him?
2. What heroes work poorly with him?
3. What heroes does he counter?
   4 (the most important one). What heroes counter him?

[lilac ether]

i mainly sticked for the set early when i was at the very ewrly game mindlesly doing the quest i got for this game for free gems in my previous main game

[bleak hull]

If its a wooden ship then heroes that cause continuous burning might be a its counter

[lilac ether]

was like tgis game do look nice so lets explore what i would be able to do in thr future
just read guides and hero skills and it jusr clicked

of the gripes i had wirh my previous game is the lack os strategy and diverse skills where every new releae is basically a buffed version of an older character with very high levels of power creep

[crystal tapir]

Not exactly what I had in mind. That's too specific.

Like, I designed my own OC to turn an enemy's raw power against them, so she'd counter characters like Ainz and (with SI) Athalia, and be countered by characters like Ezio and Rowan.

[civic geyser]

Hm, I let my oc be control based by using portals and punishing enemy control. He's annoying with a portal party comp and might actually work with some heroes but gets outdamaged easily

He could counter someone like Ferael or Rowan but damage heroes that don't rely on cc like Isabella or Ezio can slap him

[bleak hull]

Counter for ferael, sounds beautiful

[rose nacelle]

hes ranged

[crystal tapir]

(Come to think of it, I need to do a little rebalancing for mine. I made her passive skill a little too potent and her furniture bonus doesn't mesh with her intended playstyle...)

[rose nacelle]

1. He is very, very solid in a stall comp. His boat makes everyone else take no damage. He can also work extremely well with 5 pull, for the same reason. No allies on the boat take damage. The cooldown of the heal is pretty long actually.
   2.He sucks, and I mean sucks with invade. It doesnt utilise his boat, at all. His dasmage alone is pretty low, so it would be best to avoid using heroes like skreg, tidus....basically all types of invade.
2. He HARD COUNTERS INVADE. Vedan is screwed, skreg can push people but thats it, tidus will hate himself, satrana will hate herself, athalia is gonna cry....for 4 seconds anyway, estrilda is done. Basically if you charge forward....gg.
3. He is ruined by 3 heroes, Eironn, Nara and Kelthur. CC works on him. And he can be pulled off the boat. Eironn leaves him in a very awkward spot. Athalia until she knocks them out, so he moderatlely helps. But Eironn ruins him big time. His boat stays when he dies tho.

[crystal tapir]

Sounds like he'd hard-counter my OC as well, considering she's also an invade-type and he doesn't have much raw power.

[rose nacelle]

lmao

unintentional i swear

[crystal tapir]

Overall, he sounds like a nightmarish tank that would make Thoran and Orthros seem like tissue paper. And Nemora (+ Pippa) and Talene would make him practically unstoppable.

[rose nacelle]

boat cant heal

other than heal itself

[crystal tapir]

Yeah, but the heroes ON the boat can heal. Even if a weak point like still being able to take continuous damage though no direct damage were to be added.

[rose nacelle]

true

except it wouldnt make sense

for stuff like poison

[crystal tapir]

That said, one invade hero would still be good against him, and might even be necessary: Saurus.

Saurus would rip the boat apart as easily as he does Wrizz.

[rose nacelle]

remember

iif you do ten percent damage

cannon ball that stuns

[crystal tapir]

That does seem a tad excessive, IMO.

[rose nacelle]

yeah you cant invade him, at all

[crystal tapir]

IMO, just the boat providing enough of a barrier to give his team that much of a head start makes him enough of a threat as it is.

As he is right now, it seems like he literally cannot be defeated.

[rose nacelle]

again

eironn him

[crystal tapir]

Let me relay an anecdote. Back when I was in the competitive Pokémon fandom (in the X/Y era), mons like Mega Kangaskhan and Aegislash did have counters, but those counters were too specific. Every team had to have those highly specific counters in order to stand a chance. So Mega Kanga and Aegislash ultimately had to be banned.

The word used to describe them was "overcentralizing".

[rose nacelle]

oh

yeah i get that

but really anything that moves him off the boat

nara hook, oden portal, pushes, cc, kelthur

all that

[crystal tapir]

Speaking of CC, would characters on the boat take damage from other characters on the boat, like if charmed by Nemora or Mehira?

[bleak hull]

Would burn effect increase the damage done to the boat?

[rose nacelle]

yeah they would

[crystal tapir]

And I still strongly suggest ditching the cannons altogether.

[rose nacelle]

He cant have just one thing to his kit

i could reduce the cannon damage

[crystal tapir]

At least take out the stun. If the boat can only be destroyed by a ton of tiny damage attacks, destroying it at all would be a miracle.

[rose nacelle]

i could nerf the hp

2.7k percent with skill ups is already op

[crystal tapir]

nods

[rose nacelle]

1.9?

[crystal tapir]

Yeah, that's a bit better.

Here's my own OC's adjusted skillset, hopefully it's a tad more balanced out and coherent now.

[rose nacelle]

what did you use to make this

[crystal tapir]

Medibang (drawing app) to draw the character, Pixelmator (a Photoshop clone of sorts on phone) to put together the rest.

[rose nacelle]

nice

do you do commissions or do I have to do this myself

[crystal tapir]

I could do it, but be warned, my drawing skills are a little rusty (thanks to college).

[rose nacelle]

No P

Basically think a fit dwarf

with a black beard

an eyepatch

but a black iris with a red pupil

[crystal tapir]

nods and takes notes

[rose nacelle]

and tattered pirate clothing

a rusted pistol in one hand

a chipped machete in the other

basically a lightbearer exile

but not graveborn since he still lives

[bleak hull]

Lightbearer exile how come?

[rose nacelle]

hes a pirate

A heretic pirate

Who failed the ritual to become hypogean, but it left scars on his body

While he was possesed he saw horrors he wasnt prepared for

so he stopped it on his own

Now he roams the seas with whats left of his crew

destroying the hypogeans but never being able to return to society

[sturdy nova]

But it does get buffs right? Silas desira would be great help with help regen

[sturdy nova]

Woah! I love the way you put your thought around

[rose nacelle]

it gets buffs yeah

[rose nacelle]

....How

The boat cant heal

[sturdy nova]

It can heal itself right?

So if you boost it's heal from silas si20 and desira si20(15hr points) the boat will heal more

Moreover i also wanted to ask what about artifacts? Like shields will the boat enjoy those? Like waistband .. and what about lucius shields? Would hp increasing artifacts work on the maiden too if i put them on pirate?

[dark heath]

In ezizh story, who is the blue butterfly wings at the end, that was screwing with him?

[sudden thicket]

Tasi

Shes also from the dream realm and has blu wings

[dark heath]

I thought so

[sturdy nova]

Yeah they both are archnemesis

[sudden thicket]

Do yall think dura became a god with magic from quandems age and then somehow hid the magic in order to be the only god or not have any competition as strong as herself

Because i think it mentions in quandems age magic could make people gods, unless im misinterpreting it please tell me if i am

And maybe dura is using the magic to make people like zaph into celestials

[bleak hull]

Dura and annih were created as siblings

Theres a chapter based on where they were created i think

And when the other gods hid magic away from mortals bc they became to powerful dura used her soul to give many gifts to the mortals, such as different magic, paradise, sanctuary

And during the war she also used her power to ascend mortals themselves into deities as powerful as gods

[sudden thicket]

Ah, makes sense, do you know the chapter you mentiond

[bleak hull]

Lemme check

The ancient ruins chapter 12

Honas turned into the earth and dura and annih were created at the sight and it was a place of worship until it was abandoned

[sudden thicket]

Ok thanks

[silk widget]

@sudden thicket it's the other way around. Quaedam lived in the first era when human was absolutely a weakling. This was the reason Dura taught them "magic that can rival even god." Quaedam supposedly used this knowledge of magic to create his own necromancy when he was in hell.

[bleak hull]

I thought Dura gave them the magic they got after the godly one was taken away

As in modern Espiria magic

[silk widget]

The ancient civilization who know this kind of magic has already been destroyed long ago and so this magic is also lost. Currently Quaedam and the 3 eldrich coucils are the only survivors of this ancient era

[bleak hull]

I always thought it was the other gods who gave them the overpowered magic

And then when it was wiped out dura gave her magic

[sudden thicket]

Whered u get this from, cn?

[silk widget]

@bleak hull lightbearer is currently using holy light as their magic source. This source came from Dura's remaining consciousness as she died in the first hypogean war and this marks the second era. The kind of magic i just said was taught to human in the first era with the long lost civilization

[bleak hull]

Ye i know i was just confused on which magic you were talking about

[silk widget]

@sudden thicket from cn lore and deduction.

[sudden thicket]

Ok

[bleak hull]

Didnt she also give nature magic and voodoo

Or were they mortal developed

[silk widget]

@bleak hull yes, she did. It was when she was till alive tthough

[bleak hull]

A good ending to the whole war like the allied forces along with the celestials and all the artifacts repeat history and create the barred gate once again and this time defeating annih weakening the Hypogeans enough to be obliterated in the gate and annih becoming a tree like dura's right next to her tree

[silk widget]

@bleak hull this is where i got the info from. Its in the cn lore that i posted in here not long ago

[rose nacelle]

yeah they will

[crystal tapir]

and the language of dragons
<(FUS RO DAH)

[rose nacelle]

@crystal tapirtell me the apps again

[crystal tapir]

Medibang for drawing and Pixelmator for general image editing, but those are just my personal preferences and there are a lot of alternatives.

Especially since these are both paid apps.

[rose nacelle]

screeeeeeeee

i thought they were free

ill use apks then

[rose nacelle]

@crystal tapir normally id be up to it but it would take ages to draw with my fingers

I need a new metjod

[crystal tapir]

I forgot to mention, that's pretty interesting how it gives more context to the conflict between Dura and Annih if you think about it.
We thought the mortals favored her because of simple "life good death bad", but if Dura's gift of magic made mortals that powerful, no wonder Annih went a little nuts — chances are, in his eyes, Dura was being praised for being downright reckless.

[bleak hull]

Its mentioned in chapter12 im assuming they were once worshiped equally

[trail kite]

peggy note...
UWU

UwU

so cute

[civic geyser]

Nicee

Unlike Rowan who gives coupons

[agile tartan]

too generous

15M dollars sheeesh

[civic geyser]

Oh no wait it's just 1.5million

Still a LOT

[agile tartan]

sheeesh

bad math baby

[civic geyser]

The inn must be one hell of a prestigious respite

Consider its inhabitants

Some of the richest people in Esperia, literal kings, otherworldly beings, demons and gods, military officers, mauler rulers, yeah

It comes to no surprise they casually give out gifts like wallops of cash, gems, and essence daily

[small linden]

Any ideas?

I'm kinda hoping its Edwin

[trail kite]

maybe the earl dolly said

[sullen saddle]

Yes this must be

[coral zodiac]

I would say it's hypo, but it could be also a gb, like Vedan, with a different colour palette

But sounds like hypo probably

[silk widget]

Look like a hypo to me

What is that in the lower right corner? A pet?

[lilac ether]

that would actually be very cool

was edwin particularly evil?

from what i got off the theo lore it was monarch stuff and thoran initiated it

but then again she really loved her brother so its possible to be biased for him

[silk widget]

@lilac ether he might not be very evil but definitely wasnt a good character either

[lilac ether]

i only read her side of the story so far and he seemed fine although all she talked about was how good of a brother he was to her

[silk widget]

@lilac ether from thoran's lore, Edwin was an absolute dick. But we know that he was bewitched by Mortas, so I'm not sure if he became evil because of mortas or it's just his character and mortas is just a catalyst to help him overthrow Thoran

[lilac ether]

i will need to read both then but mortas seems like the spin off on the devil unlike ezizih that directly mind controls

so probably more of a catalyst

[sturdy nova]

Looks like a shield to me, or maybe a bat like cocoon (what mortas turns into when he dies)

[sturdy nova]

I hope edwin never makes it, because then all the thoran, grez ,theo turning into gb would be useless, poor guys became undead to take revenge,, and now there's an eternal battle

Am i the only one who thinks this maybe an lb?like an lb who is helping hypos find sacrifices, for e.g. those villagers who had become a part of hypo cult to bring back twin terrors

Idk, what happened to dwarven pirate tho

[coral zodiac]

Looks like dragon-styled? Maybe it is a pet...

[dark heath]

Wtf Lilith

[trail kite]

cat Mauler supremacy

bonus
Warek disagree with that

[small linden]

Is Lilith accepting the fact WuKong should be a Dimensional that joined the Celestials?

This graph clearly shows him with the Dimensionals but with an arrow leading to the Celestials

[simple vine]

well we all know wukong is not their original character

it was kind of surprising he became a celes instead of dimensional but whatever

[silk widget]

Well, we have respen and seirus who are basically god but became to be in wilder faction. Wukong was a god in his realm, so it's no surprise that esperia gods invite him to be one of their kind.

[bleak hull]

Respen and serius are more demi gods

Since they do die naturally

And in respens lore he gets stabbed by ice so they can be hurt

[rose nacelle]

respen is a god?