afk-lore

[bleak hull]

Hard to explain what i mean

If hes looking for tasi then where else would he be?

[gritty trail]

If we're following the progression of VoW in terms of lore, Ezizh has yet to appear physically, and has only appeared in dreams (aka Mirael's VoW)

[bleak hull]

Same thing with tasi right, that i personally know of the only vow of her is when shes in the dream realm

Or i could be wrong

[gritty trail]

Tasi appears physically

Because she has a physical form made by Ulmus

[bleak hull]

Wait im confused on what were talking about here

Is he not in his physical form right now?

[gritty trail]

I would assume no, considering he's a replication of a common foot soldier's appearance as seen throughout Alna's lore video

[bleak hull]

Alna has a lore video??

[torn finch]

Alna has a lore???

[bleak hull]

Also in an official art ezizh is shown fighting alna

[gritty trail]

there's a vid on the afk youtube channel

[torn finch]

Alnas story mentions nothing of her origins
Its just how she drives out hypogean peeps with her blizzard ability

And how she got demoted to a demi god

[gritty trail]

https://youtu.be/nu7Bb6gKKi4

[gritty trail]

I'm not talking about her story specifically im just saying "yeah ezizh looks like a common foot soldier in Alna's lore thingy"

[bleak hull]

But if Ezizh is looking for tasi, wouldnt he be looking in the mortal realm?

[gritty trail]

No
That would make him stand out like a bright light as a "kill on sight" target

Hence AE

[bleak hull]

Or does he try through another method that includes him not having to leave the dream world but still get closer to tasi?

[gritty trail]

His method is trying to find tasi in the dream realm

But

Considering he is an AE boss

I assume that would be his physical form trying to escape the dream realm

In the dream realm he wouldn't really need a form to inhabit so he adopted the common foot soldier appearance

But because Esperia isn't a dream anymore, he has to have a form to roam around in

It make most sense to give himself power, though even then he gets restrained from being able to freely roam

[bleak hull]

Isnt that just a theory?

[gritty trail]

...yes
because nothing is confirmed XD

[torn finch]

Is there even a way of knowing?

Oh you said it

I guess he could be in physical or dream realm depending on the reader😐

[gritty trail]

I'm going off what we have right now

And trying to make sense of it

[bleak hull]

So Ezizh's in game design is his dream form and the ae boss could possibly be his attempted physical form?

[gritty trail]

That's what I think could be happening

Since we never really have an indication Ezizh is outside in the lands of Esperia other than just being a playable character

[bleak hull]

In my fan fiction hes depicted as rampaging on land, a big flaw ig i should of studied his lore more before including him in

[silk widget]

I think we are a little far off. First of all, dream world is a spirit realm. No one is able to enter it except for tasi and ezizh

The realm where the fight can happen is probably twisted realm as the lore does state that tasi is able to transfer mortal beings into this realm

[bleak hull]

Pippa entered it

Oh you just said nvm

[silk widget]

@bleak hull there is also other realm similar to dream realm.

[bleak hull]

In a VoW tasi specifically says they are in the dream world

[torn finch]

Ezizh technically isnt able to enter it, the story does state that hypogeans cant enter it
He was born there, whether he can leave and enter again is debatable

[bleak hull]

Another thing to back up him possibly being the ae boss, the ae boss is depicted coming out of the ground, could that be ezizh's struggle on keeping his physical form?

[gritty trail]

I've been saying this basically the entire time oh my lord

[bleak hull]

Oh sorry i didnt see you mention the design at all

[torn finch]

Are we talking about the devourer here or another AE boss?

I'm confused

[gritty trail]

Ezizh AE boss

Devourer is different

[torn finch]

Havent been here long enough to see that😔

[gritty trail]

Lemme get a ref

[silk widget]

@bleak hull ezizh is likely the boss in the previous AE, we just need lilith to release a background story to why he was in that state.

[bleak hull]

When it comes to picking realm forms im sorry but ezizh thought better

[torn finch]

Long nec boi😳

[gritty trail]

Previous AE before Ezizh was Ainz and Albedo

The only thing changed was the bosses themselves

[bleak hull]

Tasi's original form- a ball of aura
Physical- a fairy.
Meanwhile Ezizh picking badass forms like this

[silk widget]

@bleak hull pippa probbaly entered the twisted realm in the vow that you mentioned

[trail kite]

more nonsense written of afk... like i will write something for fun

[dark heath]

I mean
She is a dream.. entity(?)
If youre an entity doing good you don't want to take any form that seems intimidating
Ezizh wants to be scary, his purpose is to propagate chaos

[civic geyser]

Tasi is a simple lass

Ezizh is one to go all out, even in dreams

[civic geyser]

Amazing

[trail kite]

also... What does every faction eat? like their meal

and food

[silk widget]

@trail kite i guess maulers are mostly carnivore and wilders are herbivore. Graveborn doesnt need to eat but a few will need to consume human blood to stay alive.

I cant imagine a mauler eating an aninal that he/she was based on

[trail kite]

Mauler meal is like... meat and fruits

but more meat since they need strength

Lightbearer are human food

Wilder mostly herbivore but some, example like Ira or Kaz

they eat meat for some reason

also Does GB eat rotten meat

Mauler also eat fruits too
maybe their fruits is base on fruits that grown on harsh environment

[spice mulch]

Most maulers eat meat, some are exclusive herbivores like the centaurs

Explained on Golus lore

[silk widget]

With the release of Morael lore explaining the void realm, Oden lore now sounds like a fucking joke. After comparing the cn and eng version, i think the translator messed it up big time.

If anyone in here read the eng version, and understand a thing, please raise your hand 😆

[spice mulch]

I read the Chinese version with google translation

I haven't read the english one tho

Ok, just read it and it's a mess lmao

[silk widget]

@spice mulch right? Look like the translator just confused about the void realm stuff and decided to translate the lore based on his understanding.

[silk widget]

The above is oden lore in cn. It's much better than the eng version

Pay attention the term "dark star realm". It means the same thing as "the void" in morael lore

Based on cn lore, oden did not study necromancy, but magic from the void.

The portal that he uses to teleport himself and his enemies is connected to the void realm

also, safiya lore in cn also mentioned the source of magic which she uses. It's also from the "dark star realm" or void realm

Let's compare that to safiya lore in eng: "She obsessively pursued the mastery of arcane magics, using her spells to ensure loyalty, obtain forgotten knowledge..."

So many important details are lost in translation.

[silk widget]

Also my speculation is that Gouldos may be originally from this void realm.

[spice mulch]

Cthulu

Seems like hypogeans aren't the only threat

[civic geyser]

Ah great

More interdimensional threat

[spice mulch]

Oden's English lore has no resemblance to the Chinese lore

Absolutely different

[broken citrus]

Numisu's too

Or did they fix that

[spice mulch]

Wow

It's completely different wtf

Although I like the english version a bit more, Numisu struggling to get his powers

That explains his old skills

[silk widget]

@broken citrus nope. Numisu, fer, santrana, antandra lores are all different from their eng versions and have never been fixed

[spice mulch]

Using his magic for attack rather than being a support out of the battle

Smh my head

[broken citrus]

I put it as ENG Numisu is his younger days, CN/JP Numisu is several decades later

[spice mulch]

Nice

They fit this way

Satrana's lore is better in Chinese

Its adorable

[silk widget]

@spice mulch what should make it canon is that in numisu vurk saveas union story, numisu joined the dragon hunt because he wanted the dragon's blood to enhance his voodoo spells for combat while saveas sought fame and title and vurk wanted the treausure

[spice mulch]

Yup

The best part is the first version of their union was more close to the original than the newer one

Sad...

[silk widget]

Smh... Why did they switch to an inferior version 😩

[spice mulch]

Thanks to the lore we also know about upcoming stuff and heroes

I really want Saveas' brother in the game

I wonder how Saveas managed to obtain the leadership of the satyr clan, or if something happened to his brother (be graveborn pls)

[broken citrus]

Also Tidus' CN/JP lore states he has family who were enslaved

And the reason Tidus became a pit fighter was to save them (much like Warek)

Except, you know, he became bloothirsty edgelord murderhobo woofer

And completely forgot/disregarded his family because

"MMMMMM BLOOD, I THIRST BLOOD" like a certain lion's ingame quotes

Also give us Skreg union ffs. He's like one of the early units that still don't have anything close to lore. Also Golus being an odd one because of Warek and Tidus.

[spice mulch]

Warek's lore mentions a wolf opponent (Tidus)

We would've known about him a long time ago but Lilith said NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO you can't

[silk widget]

@broken citrus i dont recall tidus cn lore mentioning about him trying to save his family member

[spice mulch]

https://wiki.biligame.com/afk/提达斯

[broken citrus]

Its stated that he's joined the pit fighting in the same manner as Warek. For his family/pride/honour

[spice mulch]

Tidus' father fled from a battle, Khasos saw it and killed him

Tidus was thrown into the arena

No mention of being a former slave

Smh Lilith

[broken citrus]

Tidus chose to be a pit fighter, instead of being enslaved and then thrown in to the arena

According to JP

Specifically this part

He was given an ultimatum of: Die a slave or die as a gladiator.
Tidus, who hated to lose (any more than he has already), chose the path of a gladiator

The last two lines state he did it to vindicate his family's honour

雪辱 can mean revenge, vindication of one's honour, making up for loss

[spice mulch]

Interesting

[broken citrus]

This section pretty much spells out

"Tidus had fought for clearing his family's name and honour but now, all of that mattered nothing to him."

The JP side of the lore pretty much showcases Tidus' stoicism and duty-bound beginning (fighting for his family, training day in and out to hone himself) and being corrupted by bloodlust and becoming a berserker of sorts

ALso mentions Warek as an 'Ursus Gladiator that too fought to clear his tribe's name and reclaim their tarnished honour'

Which then follows ENG with the whole stalemate part

[spice mulch]

True

Chinese lore says that he likes the smell of blood

Kinky

[silk widget]

And also warek's older brother was the chieftain of their bear clan, not just some unknown bear.

[bleak hull]

[spice mulch]

Yes

I want to know what happened to Saveas brother ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

If he was the chieftain or something else

[broken citrus]

Safiya’ lore differs in that Cn/Jp states she crushed the usurpers with the help of Ankhira rather than bide her time for a counter in Eng

[bleak hull]

Safiya is one powerful lady

[silk widget]

@bleak hull and manipulative too

[bleak hull]

As in manipulative to ankhira?? Or her kingdom?

[silk widget]

To her follower at least

[broken citrus]

What’s confusing about Skreg’s lore is that instead of the jackal, he encountered a Gnoll (traditionally hyena looking)

In JP

[spice mulch]

In chinese version it refers to jackal, and then switches to gnoll

[broken citrus]

Yeah...

[silk widget]

Gotta google for gnoll. I never heard of it

[spice mulch]

And he kicked Skreg over and over again, he would still stand up

[broken citrus]

Also eng lore completely downplays Skriath’s importance as Grand Cheiftain

[spice mulch]

Until the iron jaw attacked

[spice mulch]

Yes

I can't find Skriath's lore in Chinese so rip

Is there a difference between the english version and Japanese version?

[broken citrus]

Quite a difference. The whole “we exile you, you came back with an army to save us” plot is still there

However

JP goes in depth that Skriath’s army includes the Bloodguard (Anoki) which means that yes, he is now the Grand Cheiftain

And then he become tribal Cheiftain of the avians

And then he returns all the conquered lands and makes amends, unifying the Maulers under one totem - which is the current Maulers we see in gameplay today

[spice mulch]

Nice

[broken citrus]

Because before that it was a battle royale

[spice mulch]

So there used to be a previous chieftain, right?

Like the english version mentions

[broken citrus]

Yes, that is explained in Anoki’s lore

[spice mulch]

Is it the same tho

[broken citrus]

Same storyline but... did eng mention Anoki meeting Skriath and the two of them looking into the truth of what happened to the previous Grand Cheiftain?

[spice mulch]

Kinda

[silk widget]

@broken citrus yeah, anoki lore in eng vs cn are basically the same

[broken citrus]

Anoki on his part took years to reform the Bloodguard under Skriath’s guidance, helped unify the land, and fought to clear his father’s name (the blame of the grand cheiftain’s death which may have been an assassination)

Everyone after Skriath is pretty much in line

With the Cn lore

[silk widget]

I also talked about the assassination of the previous grand chieftain might have something to do with safiya since she also wanted the throne for herself

[broken citrus]

Possible, she did off the previous Queen of the Sphinx

[spice mulch]

Interesting

Safiya became queen twice

And has an alliance with Ankhira

[broken citrus]

She was taught by Ankhira very thoroughly on how to be queen so

[silk widget]

@broken citrus since you know japanese, please read into morael lore and show us anything interesting that is not clearly stated in eng version. I can only read morael cn lore with an auto translator tool. 😆

[spice mulch]

Update isnt up yet

[broken citrus]

When she drops sure

[spice mulch]

[silk widget]

Should be done in a few hours 😻

morael lore seems very interesting with this void realm stuff

[spice mulch]

I'll call this unknown evil galactic entity "dark matter"

Feels like Lilith is setting an interesting expansion

[silk widget]

@spice mulch yup yup. I can kinda forsee what they are trying to do

[spice mulch]

(If you know the dark matter reference I'll give you an internet hug)

[silk widget]

We arr going to have a star war battlefield soon

[broken citrus]

And server under maintenance

[civic geyser]

AFK Arena : Sci fi edition

[silk widget]

Im kinda jealous that japanese lore is very much following cn lores while eng lores is like an orphan abandoned by lilith

[civic geyser]

New setting in the future where hypogeans are back but people classify them as aliens

[silk widget]

Any idea which animal this guy is based on?

[civic geyser]

No idea

I thought he was just a big ol rat

[dark heath]

He is a rat.

Actually now I don't know.

[spice mulch]

A weird durri?

Lmao

[silk widget]

@spice mulch a durri not looking like vurk, drez, skreg and kren should be considered normal 😆

[spice mulch]

An oversized durri that eats Esperia's junk food

[bleak hull]

Talk about rich meat

[dark heath]

Holy shit izold is 36

Wait wait wait wAIIIIIT

NIRU WAS INVOLVED

chef's kiss i love it

[coral zodiac]

:O

[vale grove]

[trail kite]

Niru for the help

Dad has an important job to do

[coral zodiac]

I heard Dolly has a new text, anyone has it?

[jaunty nacelle]

It’s not new tho

Also you could have just spammed clicked Dolly smh my head 🤦🏻‍♂️

[coral zodiac]

oh, thank you!

[coral zodiac]

I can't go online now and I was curious...

[silk widget]

The old-fashioned sailors believed in a rumor: If you encounter a strange mist on the sea, please immediately throw a sacrifice into the sea. This may be able to escape from the mourning sound of the whistle.

That is Dolly's dialogue in cn

It could either refer to the chasmic altar event featuring Gouldos or the sirens which were mentioned in the origin of gb

[spice mulch]

A graveborn siren would be cool

[dark heath]

Interesting

[forest oar]

Do you guys think we get to see or at least hear more of "Apprentice Victor" and or "Genstein" from the Btain&Brawn Union Story?

[spice mulch]

Maybe

Now that they are doing more faithful translations it can happen

[silk widget]

all of the supporting characters in union lores only have a one time appearance so far. But who know...

[trail kite]

Today... my Thoran meet Theowyn twice instead of one

Brother and Sister talk

[distant tiger]

Graveborn wilder incoming!?!

[jaunty nacelle]

No

Mermaid 🧜‍♀️

[distant tiger]

Which is wilder right?

I wish we could just have a giant fish though

[jaunty nacelle]

No

And it’s probably a hypo

[civic geyser]

Hypo?

It's probably a Mauler

/s

[agile tartan]

wait what is this????

[crystal tapir]

New union story.

[dark heath]

Izold silas union story

[agile tartan]

Ooh

So i can find it in the union, i thought it's in the story

[silk widget]

@distant tiger if the new hero is a siren, then it must be a gb.

[distant tiger]

Yeah, I was thinking that

If it's a siren, it should originally have been wilder right?

[dark heath]

We do need new hypogeons though. We have 2 extra celestials now.

[coral zodiac]

[civic geyser]

True, a hypo seems like next in line

Then probably a gb

[jaunty nacelle]

Fuck GB’s

We need reworks

Lol

[sterile marsh]

Has there been an update to the character age/height collection sheets? I haven't been in this channel for quite some time xD

[dark heath]

There was a character age and height sheet?

[sterile marsh]

Height yes, but not for all heroes of course. Age not yet just a few, but a certain person was collecting data iirc

[dark heath]

Would love to see that.

[silk widget]

Quick search for "heights" in here will do

[lilac ether]

half are dead the others are magical creatures or some half deities and thw resr is humans

idk how maulers are accounted for

[crystal tapir]

Belinda went into radio silence with those questions, presumably because of the Satrana backlash.

[crystal tapir]

Maulers (and, by extension, most Wilders) are artificial. Or at least, they started out that way before populating on their own. So I'd say Maulers are comparatively mundane.

We're never really told exactly what the experiments in search of immortality that created the Ya entailed. (But I would assume, knowing how unethical ancient Lightbearers tended to be, that they were alchemy experiments quite similar to a certain long-haired anime dog.)

[spice mulch]

I need to update the names on the chart

[crystal tapir]

I put most of the known ages and heights on the wiki, but not all of them.

[spice mulch]

Nice

[lilac ether]

lmao

beast woman not 18 making peepee hard is bad

[lilac ether]

wait wilders are artificial too?

but there's magic in the world of espiria

thy make total sense being there naturally

[crystal tapir]

The Ya split into two camps. One became the Maulers, and the other is heavily implied to have joined the Wilders.

[lilac ether]

hmm i will need to read more lore sometime

[crystal tapir]

(Though they do contain non-Ya as well, like Tasi.)

[lilac ether]

well outside of eirron and arden most wilders are like maulers

excrpt seirus

idk what's up woth him

[crystal tapir]

Arden is a goat.

Seirus is an elemental like Respen.

[distant tiger]

And Tasi is a deity, so she probably falls in the same class as Seirus and Respen

[fallen trellis]

For some reason I read that as "Tasi is tasty"

[distant tiger]

And then there is Ulmus
And he's not a descendant of the animal-human fusion Ya so I wonder where he came from

[fallen trellis]

[distant tiger]

I think this all the time
Otherwise how does she make sweet dreams

[fallen trellis]

Dreams of food

Also I think Ulmus is more of a mythical creature kind of thing

Since it does say he is a treant

[distant tiger]

Yeah, I think so

[fallen trellis]

Cases like Saurus are more confusing

[distant tiger]

I like the wilders because they're probably the most diverse faction in terms of origin

[fallen trellis]

Yea

Respen Tasi and Seirus could be celestial but they leaned towards the wilders

[dark heath]

BRUHHHH

I didnt get to screenshot it but omg

Tasi visited tidus and tidus made a catching a butterfly with a net emote

[silk widget]

The wilders and maulers are confirmed to be the Ya originally. I have posted some cn lore that prove it several times

[quasi wedge]

wow rude af

[spring pulsar]

Is "stitchy" that demon thing that follows daimon around?

[spice mulch]

That's his puppet

[spring pulsar]

Yeah but is it named stitchy

[spice mulch]

His mother made it for him

Read his story pls

[spring pulsar]

I did

But i dont understand

[spice mulch]

Read Shemira's story too

[spring pulsar]

Oh ok

Is shemira his mom?

[spice mulch]

And Niru's too

They are their parents

[spice mulch]

Yes

[spring pulsar]

What i thought i knew either silas or niru was the father

[mossy parcel]

Nah it's Niru

[crystal tapir]

Stitchy is Daimon's possessed teddy bear. You can see it in its ordinary state in his defeat animation.

...at least I thought you could... Huh...

[spring pulsar]

wHos edwin its says edwin is theowyns brother but i dont recall ever seeing a hero called edwin

[crystal tapir]

Oh, theeere it is.

[mossy parcel]

It's his si too I think?

[silk widget]

@spring pulsar edwin thoran and theowyn are sibling

[spring pulsar]

LMAO

[crystal tapir]

Edwin's a lore-only non-playable character.

[mossy parcel]

There isn't one

[spring pulsar]

oHhhhhh

Makes sense

[mossy parcel]

Thoran on the other hand

[spring pulsar]

I know who thoran is

[crystal tapir]

That said, I wouldn't put it past his being introduced eventually. Raku was originally also lore-only.

As was Petra Peggy.

[spring pulsar]

Whats the kingdom of bantus?

[silk widget]

@spring pulsar graveborn kingdom when it was 'alive"

[crystal tapir]

This region. King's Manse was its capital city.

[spring pulsar]

oh

[rose veldt]

y'all actually read all the lore and digest it? I never really read much except for lucretia/zaph

[spice mulch]

Yes

[silk widget]

@rose veldt we do. Actually someom of us read it twice, in eng and cn since there are inconsistency between the two 😩

[rose veldt]

why would there be inconsistencies? the translator make a boo-boo? or is it intentional to have deviations?

[silk widget]

@rose veldt some hero lores only have minor mistranslations, but some others are totally different between them. Most inconsistency happens in older heroes' lore

We have just discovered that the most messed up lore is Oden lore

[rose veldt]

well, hope they come up with an anime, i sure as hell would wanna watch it

but story telling would be so hard with so many heroes and what not.

[silk widget]

@rose veldt a manga or an anime based on afk universe is killer

[rose veldt]

manga would be a start. i'd like rowan to be the protagonist. he's like an adventurer, so it would make sense

has anyone proposed the idea or is this idea considered by Lilith? @silk widget

[silk widget]

I don't know. What kinda budget do you need to hire artist to make a manga or anime though? That would determine the possibility if we could ever see it

[rose veldt]

I don't know but with the revenues Lilith are making, it only makes sense to further improve on the AFK Arena brand. But Lilith is now creating new games to spread its risk from too many eggs in the basket.

There are so many artists worldwide. I'm sure with the right supervision, they could contract work to small companies to lower costs. a win-win for both sides.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t3rKrTehORY

[spice mulch]

@silk widget the traditional chinese version (Taiwan) uses a better translation from the original simplified chinese, this is from one of their fans

They knew before

[silk widget]

@spice mulch what was the whole conversation?

[spice mulch]

The topic was Morael release

That's a comment from someone that noticed it

[silk widget]

That's strange. I have tried to clarify it myself by comparing the chinese words in safiya and oden lores, and they were indeed the same words

[spice mulch]

This confirms it

[silk widget]

@spice mulch could you drop me the link

[spice mulch]

Here

https://m.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=2925820180992387&id=2345632479011163&set=a.2363127240595020&source=57&refid=13&__tn__=%2B>

It's one of the comments

I used translator to find trough them

[silk widget]

Even the jp version also says that safiya and oden's source of magic is from the void realm

@spice mulch so that was just a comment from another player, right?

[spice mulch]

Yes

A player that knows the lore

[silk widget]

If so, we can just wait a little longer for them ro confirm it

[spice mulch]

I don't think so

The lore itself pretty much confirms it

Same thing happened in the past when side characters where mentioned

[silk widget]

@spice mulch so you are saying safiya and oden do not have anything to do with the void realm?

[spice mulch]

No

The contrary

They have something related with the void real

[silk widget]

@spice mulch oh, my bad. So it's confirmed now. We can safely spread our godly knowledge on afk lore to outsiders lol

[spice mulch]

Yeah

[silk widget]

Honestly, we should start a petition to ask lilith redo the lores of older heroes. Some of them are just so badly translated

[spice mulch]

True

Some are good but are so different, it sucks

[silk widget]

I cant understand how jp version gets to stay exactly the same as the cn version while the eng ver is not even close

[spice mulch]

True

[agile tartan]

@spice mulch how much for the Anoki milk?

wrong channel bruh

[spice mulch]

[silk widget]

[agile tartan]

i wanna buy some sir

in #classic-chat

[quasi wedge]

who's audrey?

[silk widget]

@quasi wedge morael's younger sister

[quasi wedge]

i meant do we actually have info on her lol

but ty i guess xd

[silk widget]

@quasi wedge nah, she is a new character

[craggy helm]

aight so who tf is rosalines brother

[dark heath]

No one knows.

[summer skiff]

yoo I think moreal and eluard are connected or something they look A LITTLE TOO SIMILAR

[lilac ether]

in what way

[spice mulch]

No

[bleak hull]

I mean eluard looks far more like cecilia then moreal

[sudden thicket]

Moreal is a cosmoc deity, i dont think she has a connection to somebody who worships dura and works in the heretic inquisition

[crystal tapir]

I mean, anyone would look like Alucard Eluard if they had a full-body robe and mask like that.

Finally, they start connecting Dimensionals to the existing characters again.

Zolrath sure makes a lot of enemies.

[summer birch]

He sure does

[silk widget]

What do you guys thinks about the astral academy where pippa and mirael had attended before they left. Since safiya and oden studied magic from the void realm (dark star realm), coud we also make the assumption that the astral magic studied in this academy is also from another star realm, possibly counterpart of the void realm?

[spice mulch]

Who knows

[silk widget]

with the released of morael lore, we can make some assumption/prediction to connect the dots from lores of older heroes.

in khazard lore for example. He was seeking for the unknown realm "... he gradually learned something about the truth of the birth of the world, and the unknown realm behind that truth, even with the wisdom of the Elemental Guardians, could not penetrate a corner of this realm. He thought he was the Chosen One, but the "truth" that echoed in his ears confirmed that he was nothing but a pathetic ant."

not sure if Khazard was actually trying to reach the void realm or there is another dark realm

[crystal tapir]

I don't know, "Astral" often just means "Mystical" or "Arcane" or "Spiritual".

[silk widget]

@crystal tapir in pippa's cn lore, astral academy was translated as starworld academy or something like that, hence my speculation.

[crystal tapir]

There's also the Field Of Stars.

Not to mention the Celestial faction.

And The Light™️

Esperian magic and supernatural power in general seems to be closely tied to the stars. I don't think another realm is involved.

[silk widget]

The light is definely not related to "star" at all

[crystal tapir]

The sun.

I know more than one fantasy settings describe magic as coming from "the Astral Plane" or something.

The Elder Scrolls, for one.

[silk widget]

The light is short for holy light which is Dura's consciousness left for human as she passed away in the first hypogean war

[crystal tapir]

Describing them as "Celestials" suggest that they have ties to celestial bodies.

Also, if I'm understanding this right, then apparently Safiya's ultimate skill is one of the most realistic depictions of a black hole in all of fiction.

[lament meadow]

what do you mean,

[crystal tapir]

Most black holes in science fiction aren't how black holes work at all. While they would still seriously fuck you up, if our sun for instance were to suddenly collapse into a black hole, it wouldn't have any more gravitational pull than it already did and Earth's orbit wouldn't change at all.

If Safiya has the power of "dark stars", it makes sense that her "falling sun" spell would be superconcentrating mass into a black hole. Which evaporates once the unlucky sod she's targeting comes into contact with it and doesn't destroy the planet.

But I'm probably definitely overthinking this.

I don't know, Im sleepy

[silk widget]

@crystal tapir now that you mention about celestial is related to sky, the celestial faction in cn just means "demi god", so I always assume they are god in general.

Actually i didnt know the meaning of celestial before you mention it

[crystal tapir]

From what I understand, most languages have close ties between talking about the sky and talking about divinity.
e.g. "the heavens"

Most likely because of how many ancient cultures worshipped the stars and planets.

[silk widget]

I just notice that the chasmic altar has been added to the world map.

[spice mulch]

Nice

[civic geyser]

Oh nice

[lilac ether]

well if the void realm is where morsel came from,a star deitie then probably its that "un known realm behind the truth"

[civic geyser]

Morsel

[lilac ether]

actual way to spell it

she so bad i wont even bother edit it

[jaunty nacelle]

Morsel

[agile tartan]

yeah did notice that on the 2nd day its in

[old current]

Question about the lore

So we know Rowan and Angelo are related

[bleak hull]

And?

[old current]

But why is he enemies with Peggy? I get they were supposed to be engaged.. and Rowan almost took that life; (he chose to follow his brother Angelo and wander) but how does that make Rowan enemies with Peggy? And does that mean he’s also enemies with Raku?

[bleak hull]

If rowan was an enemy of peggy, he would be an enemy of the lightbearer monarchy which is unlikely its more of a dislike to eachother perhaps?

I dont know much about rowans lore unfortunately so im not sure about it

[sudden thicket]

Just becase rowan dislikes peggy doesnt mean she also dislikes the lightbearer monarchy, also where do yalll know peggy and roan were supposed to be engaged, and isnt peggy a kid lol?

[old current]

It’s stated both in their character story and by the creators. It’s also stated in their stories that they’re enemies... probably the hate the have for each other. “Petra” in rowans’s backstory is Peggy

[sudden thicket]

Ah ok

[old current]

also

Rowan is 15 but he looks like he’s 11

Honestly Peggy could also be like 13.. but we don’t know her age

[sudden thicket]

Why are they getting married then lol

[old current]

idk.. it’s an arranged marriage

[sudden thicket]

Gues young marriges exist in this game

[old current]

yup... since Rowan is a noble... he’s kinda arranged to marry royalty

[sudden thicket]

How long is leggys atory btw

Peggys*

[old current]

It’s medium... it’s also tied with raku’s story

[sudden thicket]

Can u summarize it if you read it

[old current]

Well

[sudden thicket]

Well i can read it if u cant summarize

[dark heath]

In my opinion I think that Rowan found Peggy annoying

[south yew]

Who wouldn't

[dark heath]

Like seriously

[south yew]

I mean, come on. Peggy is a spoiled child. there's nothing worse than that

[dark heath]

Peggy is AFK Arena’s equivalent to Princess Morbucks

[sudden thicket]

Well the reason listed in rowans story is that he wanted a vhallenge and didnt like a care free life

[south yew]

Is it just me or do the child girl brats always have curly or springy like Peggy has

[dark heath]

Good point

[sudden thicket]

Im more inclined to believe the story

[dark heath]

I think that spoiled children in the timeline AFK Arena is set in are aristocratic

[south yew]

Maybe

[dark heath]

And looking at Aristocratic families irl, you see that they have really fancy hair

[south yew]

It would make sense

[sudden thicket]

Where in peggys atory does it show her being spoiled havent read it yet

[south yew]

Well. I didn't read it either but from what she looks like and how she acts, I'm almost certain she's like a spoiled princess child

[sudden thicket]

Most of her lines are playful, not spoiled

[south yew]

True, true

[sudden thicket]

@dark heath where does it say shes spoiled in her atory i never read it

[south yew]

From my perspective, Peggy has a bunch of nice clothing, expensive items and is demanding. For example, her death animation. When she's defeated she runs of crying. Another example is when she calls in the gunmen, she stomps her feet on the ground and points at the enemies. I'm not 100% sure she's spoiled but it's just what she appears to me

[sudden thicket]

Anybody would run crying if they were seriously wounded

[south yew]

You're not wrong there

[sudden thicket]

And shes like, a kid

[south yew]

that makes sense too

[sudden thicket]

Dont expect a kid to NOT run away crying when she gets seriously wounded or is ablut to die lol

[south yew]

Yeah

[sudden thicket]

She prob points at enemies to signal "hey, shoot those giys"

[south yew]

When I take a closer look at her death/defeated animation though, she doesn't seem injured, just upset

[south yew]

Gotcha

[sudden thicket]

Shed atill prob run away, and shes at least a little wounded because if ahe wasnt wounded at all she wouldnt be running would ahe

Hp going down to 0 doesnt have no injuries included

[south yew]

Yeah, true

[bleak hull]

I said "if" he were an enemy of peggy then he would be greatly looked down apon by the royals

I dont personally think they are enemies

Just

Dislike eachother

[sudden thicket]

Thought you meant rowan would dislike royals

[old current]

I mean Rowan is a noble himself so

he does dislike that lifestyle

he’d rather have a life like his brother

[spice mulch]

Rowan isn't a noble

smh

[old current]

He is

[sudden thicket]

Also who else thinks chasmic boss is the monster from khazard story

[old current]

he’s the son of a noble

[sudden thicket]

He is lmao

[spice mulch]

bruh

[sudden thicket]

He even got married to peggy

Before he escaped

[spice mulch]

He is the son of the richest merchant in Esperia, they bascally bought their way into nobelty

[old current]

Correction: Rowan was engaged through a prep panned wedding

[sudden thicket]

Still noble no matter how they became noble

[old current]

^ true

[sudden thicket]

Just bc they buy their way into noblety doesnt mean they are "less noble" than other noble familes

[spice mulch]

not really

[sudden thicket]

Why would a non noble be pre engaged to the princess of a king them

[spice mulch]

His father got murdered by the kingdom

[sudden thicket]

Ah cn lore?

[spice mulch]

which is sad

the lore

read it first

[sudden thicket]

Was that in cn or peggys story

[spice mulch]

[sudden thicket]

Where do i read it tho lmao

[spice mulch]

Forsaken family union

[old current]

33 years

Not bad for him

[spice mulch]

Both of his sons escaped

[sudden thicket]

Even tho their father got murdered their still noble

[spice mulch]

and they never saw him again

[old current]

Well

Angelo and Rowan gave up that life

[sudden thicket]

I think we jave different definitions of noble

Anybody who is closly related to a noble family member is noble, for me

[lilac ether]

literally every nobel in the world

[bleak hull]

They didnt get married bc they were too young, it was planned that they would get married in the future

[sudden thicket]

Ah sorry i mustve read it wrong in the book

[bleak hull]

They could of actually had a nice relationship, if he wasnt forced into it aswell as he didnt want the lifestyle in the first place

[sudden thicket]

Anything we know about mezoth?

[fallen trellis]

Big chonker thing

[sudden thicket]

Anything meaningful to lorep

I didnt get much, if anything about him from his actual Story lol

Also who else thinks the The chasmic boss is the monster in lhazards story

Also why did he time space continuam ftacture sending one of the tr bosses into our timeline

Did orthros do something by accident or did zolrath do something

[bleak hull]

Most likely Zolrath

[sudden thicket]

Yeah probably

[bleak hull]

He messes with time as pure amusement

[sudden thicket]

He wants to cause as much pain as possible asap,

He prob released it

He couldve even awoken he devourer from khazards story which is also the chasmic boss, def seems like his kinda thind

I guess the devourer can teleport too bc hes coming out of a portal

[spice mulch]

The time space thing and dimensionals happened because of the barred gate I remember

We talked about it a long time ago

[sudden thicket]

What is the barred gate again

[spice mulch]

Chapter 20

[sudden thicket]

Ah that

[spice mulch]

Where Dura sealed the hypogeans

[sudden thicket]

Oh yeah i dont remember time and space fracturing and people being pulled from sofferent dimensions becase of that tho

[silk widget]

@sudden thicket cuz that piece of lore is only available in cn and was only talked about exclusively in this channel. You wont be able to find it in the game.

[sudden thicket]

Ah ok

[silk widget]

Some new discovery.

Apparently gouldos was not brought to Esperia by accident. Some priest in the ancient era did it

It's from chapter 28 on the world map

[sudden thicket]

Ok

[spice mulch]

It all aligns...

[silk widget]

... perfectly.

[civic geyser]

Ah great

So this means the Cult of Cthulhu is everywhere

[silk widget]

Can anyone guess who it may be from the silhouette

Look like it's riding on something

A shark?

[coral zodiac]

Hmmm

[sturdy nova]

Maybe the siren

We all had a talk about a new gb siren

[coral zodiac]

The grey to brown degradation could mean that is a Maluer/GB?

[sturdy nova]

It makes sense with this if true or they might be waves

Or maybe it might just be the hypo sister of morael

Audrea

[bleak hull]

It has similar ears or something to isabellas and silvinas

So it could be gb

And it kinda looks like waves featured aswell

[sturdy nova]

If you look very closely, the part near dolly's hair looks like a fish's tail

And she has a conch shell in her hand

That spiky thing

[sturdy nova]

Aren't those horns

[silk widget]

Look very highly that it's going to be a gb hero

[silk widget]

Yeah, i was the one that propose the idea the new hero could be a siren based on dolly dialogue

[sturdy nova]

But didn't the dialogue talk about the chasmatic altar?

The gouldous lore

[silk widget]

@sturdy nova it could be. We are just guessing after all

The old-fashioned sailors believed in a rumor: If you encounter a strange mist on the sea, please immediately throw a sacrifice into the sea. This may be able to escape from the mourning sound of the whistle.

[sturdy nova]

Yeah, but this is most potentially the siren gb/wilder

[silk widget]

The dialogue in cn does mention the extra bit of "mourning sound of the whistle"

[sturdy nova]

Given the fish's tail near dolly's hair, the horns like isa and silviana and the spiky conch held in hands,, also the back ground is kinda dark and grim

[sturdy nova]

Bam, the siren is here

Also guys, is there any sort of mentions or lb's with tigers?

[silk widget]

Is that fan art or official?

And thane with 2 hands?

[trail kite]

i think... the new GB have bobhair

[sturdy nova]

PoP video

[vale grove]

Thank you

[silk widget]

@sturdy nova oh, i havent watched it yet. There is an intro video for PoP?

[sturdy nova]

Yes, on youtube and fb afaik, no idea for twitter

[silk widget]

@trail kite where is that art from?

[sturdy nova]

Possibly like silviana, maybe

[trail kite]

you can see it on Twitter

or male GB with bob haircut

[sturdy nova]

Female most probably, but who knows

Since if it's gonna be a siren, they are female by manyyy legends

[silk widget]

@trail kite my bad. I thought you were the one that posted the previous art pic

@sturdy nova dimensional lion king incoming

[sturdy nova]

Wut?

From what source did you predict it?

[silk widget]

@sturdy nova just joking... i have no idea about the tiger that you just asked 😆

[sturdy nova]

Oh, i thought maybe

But most probably a lb

Given that it appears with thane

[silk widget]

Yo. People keep saying the new hero is another wukong or someone from the 3kingdom series

Lol

[lilac ether]

looks evil and thorny
maybe new hypo? they do releae them in pairs usually

[silk widget]

@lilac ether a female version of mezoth? Im cool with that

[lilac ether]

hopefully big mommy

[lament meadow]

smh yall and your hypo mommy milkers

[sullen saddle]

Undead Siren, so new GB maybe?

[jaunty nacelle]

👀

[trail kite]

[civic geyser]

Amazing

[dark heath]

Or a talene hypo

[bleak hull]

They move so not horns

[jaunty nacelle]

Moving horns

[spice mulch]

Yup

@silk widget we were right, graveborn siren!

[silk widget]

Yay... I was correct on day 1

[sudden thicket]

Do we know anything about mezoth

I didnt get much information about him from hos story

[silk widget]

@sudden thicket that's all we got, his lore. No mention of anywhere else

[sudden thicket]

Welp rip

Who wrote that last page then

Mezoth or did the dude go insane

[silk widget]

The dude wrote everything and became mezoth iirc

[sudden thicket]

Wat

Lemme reread the story

Ah ok makes sense

Whats the crap about the statue then if its not mezoth or if mezoth didnt exist before the dude became mezoth

[broken citrus]

How to Summon Mezoth (theory):

• Requires a catalyst to link Esperia and the Hypogean Realm, a statuette will suffice

• Requires one devout to pray and sacrifice, offering up lives/food to the statuette to power it up, strengthening the link

• Once enough lives/food has been offered, the closest sentient being, preferably a human, will become the designated 'portal' for Mezoth

• The catalyst (statuette) will use up its power to transmogrify the victim's body to open up, fulfilling the requirement for Mezoth to arrive

• Mezoth takes over the victim's body and gains a physical form

• Mezoth probably gains all the skills the victim has or else our tubby demon was probably lost at sea for a while until he managed to get close to shore

[sudden thicket]

Ok that makes a ton of sense

[mossy parcel]

[forest oar]

Or he as an ancient demonic creature just knows how to steer a ship because he learned how to do that from watching other humans safely from his realm

[broken citrus]

I would like to imagine Mezoth got so hungry he ate the ship, sunk in to the ocean, walked his way up to a ocean cliff face and stabbed his way up while sustaining himself like a whale (sucking up plankton), and eventually made his way to shore

[lament meadow]

[bleak hull]

Just wait till mezoth eats the Temple Of Light as a "light" snack

Ignore my bad jokes i had that in my head

[broken citrus]

I just want a Mezoth union where he attempts to eat the twins or something

[south yew]

Oh dear god please no. Not the puns

[bleak hull]

[south yew]

[silk widget]

A not very well known detail in mezoth lore is the place where the ship went to is near chapter 35

[gritty trail]

Oh! Another thing to add onto Mezoth is he fought Zaphrael before he was a celestial!
Mezoth is an OG hypogean in the first war

[bleak hull]

Thats pretty impressive that Zaphrael survived him

[mossy parcel]

Fear

[mossy parcel]

@tawny gust

[tawny gust]

pensive

[silk widget]

Everybody... expedition

[agile tartan]

probably

im excited for the new gb

didnt have a gb sense silas

[agile tartan]

that new hero looks weird

its probably gonna be a gb witch

[undone umbra]

I’m pretty sure mezoth was originally human

[agile tartan]

i feel like orthros and zolrath were celestial brothers then zolrath gone evil maybe

kinda reminds me of thor and loki

[bleak hull]

You can read their lore

Im pretty sure zolrath was always a hypo however i havent read his lore either

[agile tartan]

i dont like reading them

like i mean there important

but there really long and literally every hero has one

[summer birch]

Always been a hypo

[agile tartan]

but kinda wondering about ezizh and alna

ezizh seems to be an really og hypo

cuz he can be in alot of forms

[summer birch]

Nah in that pic of what looked to be Ezizh isn’t him, it’s just another random hypo

[agile tartan]

like a boss or normal ezizh army or the ezizh we already have

[agile tartan]

yeah i know

ezizh just seems to be a normal hypo so maybe hes not special

cuz hes that hero that is just a normal one of these other ezizhs

i think the ezizh boss even called ezizh

[summer birch]

He took form as that hypo since because he was originally the embodiment of nightmares in the dream realm

[agile tartan]

ooh

so u mean hes the first hypo to ever exist then they took copies of him?

[summer birch]

No

[agile tartan]

hmm

[summer birch]

Annih created the hypogeans but Ezizh was created by something else

Read his lore and you’ll understand

[agile tartan]

Annih?

[bleak hull]

Its a theory that he based his form of the original Hypogean soilders

[bleak hull]

The evil god dude

[agile tartan]

oooh

the guy on the screen

next to dura

[bleak hull]

Yes yes

[agile tartan]

ooh that guy

[summer birch]

Yeah since he didn’t have a physical form at that time

But there are a few differences as you probably know

[agile tartan]

so i think the other hypos dont have copies of themselves

maybe mezoth does

[summer birch]

He has no legs and the armor is a bit different

[bleak hull]

Mezoth doesnt

[agile tartan]

oh

[summer birch]

He was originally human

[agile tartan]

really?

[bleak hull]

Only the less powerful hypos that are used in armies are similar looking

[agile tartan]

ooh

[bleak hull]

The more powerful ones such as the in game heroes are unique

[summer birch]

I think so but I have to check again to confirm

[bleak hull]

He was

[agile tartan]

i assume that the cele dont have armys

[summer birch]

Like Lucretia

[agile tartan]

they have only like

there main warriors

i think there only humans that joined dura and gained powers

[bleak hull]

Its unconfirmed if the celestials have a cele army

[agile tartan]

yep for now

[bleak hull]

Everyone in Espiria were blessed by dura

[agile tartan]

yep but some joined her i guess?

like Zaph did, joined her and gained his powers?

[bleak hull]

Yes he was specifically chosen bc of his impressive effort as a soilder

[agile tartan]

hmm ye

[bleak hull]

Also everyone in Espiria is agaisnt the hypos its just some are more involved then others in the war

[agile tartan]

but like realistically

the whole celestials we have

they dont look like units that will look like a good army

like mezoth and ezizth do look like a normal soldiers in armys

[bleak hull]

Theyre not

[agile tartan]

i mean i know there not

but i would imagine they could be like copies in armys

[bleak hull]

Mezoth is a very unique hypo and ezizh isnt even a true hypo

[agile tartan]

wait so ezizh aint actually a hypo?

damn i dont read those lores alot rip

[bleak hull]

He was first the embodiment of all fear and nightmares in the dream realm, but he chose a form based of the first war Hypogean soilders

[agile tartan]

so u mean

ezizh was like huge boss?

[bleak hull]

So the first soilders arent copies of him, he copied them

[agile tartan]

then he choosed his form?

oooh

[bleak hull]

He was made in the dream realm

[agile tartan]

did he looked like a ezizh but different or just something weird?

[bleak hull]

Well Tasi who is a being of dreams, her original form was just a confinment of aura, bc she didnt need a physical form at the time, so it can be assumed Ezizh was also a confinment of aura

Hard to explain really

[agile tartan]

hmm

i thought zolrath had the most depth hypo story but damn

i didnt expect ezizh to have that much details

ever since i think the alna trailer

i was wondering about the ezizhs in there

[crystal tapir]

(randomly starts thinking about what heroes would be the best and worst drivers)

[coral zodiac]

sdtvhjbknlmñ

[mossy parcel]

I love that

[bleak hull]

The pure accuracy

Is perfect

[lilac ether]

that ainz one hmmm

[spice mulch]

Isekai Ainz

[forest oar]

Pedestrians are a100 points each!
XD
Good one

[zenith gorge]

Why aren't tidus and izold in pedestrians are 100 points each?

Still gave me a good laugh though.

[dark heath]

https://twitter.com/tjack07861724/status/1388892639429238786?s=21

t_jack (@tjack07861724)

固まったwフレイラの祝福受けてます😇　＃トーラン日記 https://t.co/mzRvFzolbe

Twitter · May 2, 2021, 4:26 PM

[trail kite]

Grezhul and Thoran
Standing in the flowers field
Flora is cheering, she will shout
YOU TWO SHOULD KISS

🎊

[dark heath]

Hahaha 😂

And the fire burning of talene

Everlasting fire 😂

[trail kite]

Flora will cheer them

[sturdy nova]

What could be the skills of the new siren hero based on lore? Any ideas?

[civic geyser]

SHOOT I NOW WANT TO DRAW THE LAST TIER JOYRIDING

[sturdy nova]

Water based skills? Or maybe voice based, like she could be a charm cc type since siren legends refer to them as charmers
She could have two forms, one beautiful other horrible and grotesque/demonic
She could call waves and stuff, blow into a conch

[civic geyser]

Beautiful

[silk widget]

@sturdy nova based on lore, she can summon thick fog, so she may have a skill to reduce enemy accuracy. And her scream can break mind, so she may also have some cc

[civic geyser]

Cool

Seems like her role might be debuff or control

[sturdy nova]

No charm?

[civic geyser]

You'd think as a siren she'd have charm

[sturdy nova]

Could be dps though, calling waves or sea creatures

[sturdy nova]

Can she have a new weather effect? Since lbs , celes and gbs have none yet, a fog weather effect

[silk widget]

Maybe. Her nickname is The Tempest, so...

[civic geyser]

Oh so Alna's blizzard doesn't count?

I can see a fog weather though, that's most likely

Siren might be a mage class then

Khazard, Solise, and Skriath are mages

[silk widget]

Can you guy guess what her weapon is?

At first i thought it is a conchshell, but now looking at it again, it looks like something else

Like a harp

[simple vine]

idk it reminds me of this

[civic geyser]

Lmao, Dusk Lobber

I see someone plays pvz2

I thought her weapon was a spiky ball or something

[spice mulch]

I think it's a fish

But it could be a string instrument

[agile tartan]

im confused what this tierlist is

[agile tartan]

Plants vs Zombie childhood days

[bleak hull]

Characters as best to worst drivers

[agile tartan]

Damn

[south yew]

wukong's evil sister, this you?

[sturdy nova]

Oh i never really realised all weather effects are from mages

It's gonna be a support or mage ig, but who knows, if she's another ranger

[sturdy nova]

I think it's a conch too, maybe conch on top of a scepter or a puffin fish

[sturdy nova]

Harp?

[sturdy nova]

New gb siren

[south yew]

Sweet

[crystal tapir]

I wonder what heroes do with the cities they're garrisoned at in AE.

[bleak hull]

Farm essense

There was a small comic last season about them farming essense in the cities

[dark heath]

I begin to think we should get a Dryad for a Wilder hero.

We have a Treant, a Sylvan, but no Dryad.

[bleak hull]

What are those exactly?

Wait nvm ill just search it

Is a dryad a being that can control/manipulate plants, trees, wood

If so wouldn't flora or solise count there

[sturdy nova]

Well they are nature spirits, who take human form

Maybe flora could qualify since she was born of blooms

I need more animal-istic wilders, or maybe elemental wilders

No cosplaying teenage kids

[bleak hull]

I dont think it should be normalised that all of the elemental guardians are wilders, yes respen and seirius were luckily accepted by the wilders as one of thier own.

But naturally

Theyre not wilders

[silk widget]

Agree. The reason they are wilder is because their habitat is the jade reef bay which is adjacent to the yggdril forest, home of the wilder

For other elemental guardians, they will be born elsewhere, Some place with extreme enviroment like the desert where the maulers live.

Or the snowy mountain in chapter 18, 19

[crystal tapir]

Factions are kind of weird in terms of who's in them.

The only one with a firm species divide seems to be the Maulers.

[spice mulch]

the bastion of the elements is in wilder territory tho

And wilder fused with natural magic and some stuff

[lilac ether]

when dud zap fight izold?

didn't find anything in en lore

[bleak hull]

I always thought the bastion of elements was more both lightbearer and wilder territory

[small linden]

Anyone got more info on that "Undead Siren" hero, hoping she's Sonya, Naras friend so we get a union with her

[bleak hull]

Also speaking of where the guardians live, theres a volcano at the bastion of elements that could be where the fire elemental lives?

The volcano could of also be the core's cradle

[silk widget]

@bleak hull you talking abt this one?

@small linden nope. The siren is not sonya. There is some lore abt them in the origins of gb lore

[bleak hull]

Yes

[silk widget]

@bleak hull that is the peaks of time building

[bleak hull]

Oh

Really??

[small linden]

Yeah, but it says the sirens (if they exist) work with the Dead Tide, a ship full of graveborns including Nara (this the ship she died in)

[bleak hull]

They dont look that much alike

[silk widget]

It is the peaks of time, im sure.

[bleak hull]

I see where your coming from but they really dont look alike

The peaks of times building is surrounded by trees

[silk widget]

If you look at the landscape in both pic, they are the same.

[bleak hull]

And the place im talking about is surrounded by lava if im not mistaken

[silk widget]

Look to the left of the PoT you'll see a whirlpool.

[bleak hull]

The volcano is much further from the whirlpool

Peaks of time would be more around there

You can tell by the curve of the river, the volcano is at the bottom of the curve and the PoT building is above that curve

[sudden thicket]

I agree with g

Maybe pot is showing the volcano in the past or future? It is named peaks of time

[silk widget]

I still think it's the PoT. There is a giant volcano on the other continent though

[sudden thicket]

We do know not all pot stories take place in the present so maybe that applies to the peak of times strcture itself

Perhaps pot building used to be the volcabo before a terraforming spell or aomething? Or lillith is just playing mind games with us

[bleak hull]

The current map isnt from the past lore wise

Plus none of the things from the dark forest gameplay are actually shown on the map so why would the PoT building be

[spice mulch]

we know that corrupted Khazard killed some wilders elementalists and tried to destroy the bastion of elements

[sudden thicket]

Maybe the volcano is whats left after the attack, i doubt hed use fire tho as he used to be a water guardian i think

[bleak hull]

Thinking of that time when respen and khazard fight sends chills down my spine especially how it was described

[bleak hull]

Currently he uses some sort of ice related attacks

But in the past he would use water

[sudden thicket]

Still not fire, thx for correcting me tho

Maybe the timeline of events is Gouldus corrouptes Khazard --> he attacked the pot building, perhaps with a fire nased ally or weapon because i doubt that lava cane out of nowhere --> its now the volcano in the bastion of elements

[bleak hull]

Nothing about the game is past tense

The PoT building is as we see it every time in the dark forest

[sudden thicket]

Then why is there a ch2 volcabo lookalike in dark forest

With the same whirlpool near it

[bleak hull]

Its not "it used to look like that"
It does look like that

[sudden thicket]

Im confused, pot building and ch2 volcabo cant be the same thing yet they are heavily imploed to be in the same location bc of the whirlpool

[bleak hull]

Your statement here is that the PoT building and the volcano are the same thing?

[sudden thicket]

No

[bleak hull]

That's the whole point of that statement ive just read

You literally said it might be the volcano in the bastion of elements

[sudden thicket]

No i didnt

[bleak hull]

Are you messing with me or am i blind

[sudden thicket]

Ok lemme try to re explain it

The chapter 2 volcano and the POT building both have a whirlpool near them, and both have the black mountains area near them, right?

[silk widget]

How about they are both Pot and volcano 😆

[bleak hull]

The volcano is actually further down the river then the PoT building

The volcano is at the bottom of the river curve and the Pot building is much higher up

[sudden thicket]

Then why isnt the pot building shown there, and again im saying theyre different not the same dint get me wrong

Did someone copy and paste the areas lol

[bleak hull]

None of the things in the dark forest are shown of the map

Arena of heroes

Not there

VoW

Not there

Bounty board

Not there

Etc

[sudden thicket]

The bounty board is in the town at the bottom

[bleak hull]

Not on the map

[sudden thicket]

In ch2 theres a town

[bleak hull]

Yes but its not shown on the map

[sudden thicket]

Do you think he blunty board os actually as big as dark forest one?

Am i blind

[bleak hull]

No but its still not on the map isnt it

Yes everything in the dark forest is drawn scaled bigger, but on the map its not even shown

[sudden thicket]

In ch2 everything is shown realistically

Realistically bounty board wouldnt be noticable

[bleak hull]

Kings tower surely would tho

So would the arena

[spice mulch]

There's no way to properly confirm it

[sudden thicket]

But in dark forest we know blunty blard is in he town bc it shows that the blunty board is located inside the town by showing it there

[bleak hull]

I feel like youve drawn the whole point to the bounty board thats not my point

[sudden thicket]

Ok lets stop then if u want

[bleak hull]

My point is that nothing on the dark forest gameplay is shown on the map

That was my point

Not the size of the bounty board

[sudden thicket]

So then how does df fit into lore, not cannon?

[spice mulch]

All we know is that it's there

Lmao

[bleak hull]

I mean the gameplay stuff

Such as kings tower and arena of heroes

[sudden thicket]

Im talking about if its cannon or not and how tf does it fit into lore, i think we may be trying to talk about diff things lmao

[bleak hull]

It is very much canon

If that wasnt obvious

[sudden thicket]

So is dark forest the same as ch2?

They look the same but details vary

[bleak hull]

Chapter 2 is located at the bastion of elements, the bastion of elements is also known as the dark forest

[sudden thicket]

Then why are they different

[bleak hull]

[sudden thicket]

If theyre in the same place they have to be the same thing

[spice mulch]

Uhhhh

Bastion of the elements is not the dark forest

[bleak hull]

I mean the chapter 2 area in general

[spice mulch]

There were some translation issues too

[bleak hull]

Chapter 2 and the dark forest are the same thing yes

[spice mulch]

Also, the maulers dessert is actually called "Tastan dessert"

[sudden thicket]

Then why is ch2 pot building a volcano?

But not a volcano in df

[bleak hull]

Thats not confirmed weither it is

Yudiat was just saying what i called a volcano could of been the PoT building

[silk widget]

@sudden thicket we are all just speculating right now. The location of PoT is not confirmed to be that yellowish thing

[sudden thicket]

Ah so you changed your mind that df and pot where the same thing?

[bleak hull]

I never said they were the same thing

When did i say that ever

[sudden thicket]

You jist did there

[bleak hull]

When

Where

[sudden thicket]

In the message i replied to

Im confused did you mean in name only?

[bleak hull]

I said chapter 2 and the dark forest are the same area

I didnt say the volcano and PoT were the same

[sudden thicket]

Fuck thats what i meant i didnt mean to say pot

Why do i have to be smooth brained so much, ok anyway sorry for having spec brain and accodently typing pot instead of ch2

[bleak hull]

Ok dont draw you anger to me for your mistake

Anyways

[sudden thicket]

Im not im angry at myself

Sorry if it wasnt clear lol

[bleak hull]

Yes i did say chapter 2 and dark forest are the same thing i dont change my mind