afk-lore

[civic geyser]

Tasi was also said to assist Arden in fighting it off

[oblique solstice]

Oh

[civic geyser]

So it should imply that Ezizh was that creature

[oblique solstice]

Maybe

Ezizh is a b**

[civic geyser]

definitely

But Arden literally fought it off with the power of friendship

[oblique solstice]

Glas Tasi is here to mop the floor with him

[silk widget]

Twisted realm is a distorted space between the dream world and the real world. Its kinda confusing if you read the en lore. Cn lore is much clearer

Everything in twisted realm probably didnt happen in Esperia

[civic geyser]

good point, especially with Ice Shemira and evil Nemora

[oblique solstice]

Also I am wondered how would be if Solise meets Flora
They would be like:
Flora: summons flowers
Solise: starts to gossip with the flowers 🤣

[silk widget]

At first, I was also very confused between the twisted realm and the dream world

[civic geyser]

HAHAHAHA THE FAIRY TAXI

[silk widget]

That is the cn lore for twisted realm. It'll make more sense if you read it

[civic geyser]

TAXI

[silk widget]

Lol auto translator works wonder 😆

[civic geyser]

im more convinced that the demon is Ezizh

[silk widget]

Yeah, it's definitely ezizh

[oblique solstice]

Wait, my girl, Tasi, has a personal battle field and I wansn't aware?

[civic geyser]

well Im assuming the place we fight the bosses is the very battlefield

[charred flint]

Mehira has her own cults riddled around esperia worshipping her and doing anything she says

[civic geyser]

oh my god, simps

thats the worst of all

[charred flint]

It says in her lore she has great amounts of people doing anything she says from collecting anything to sacrifices

Tbh some of those cult members are in the afk arena community

[oblique solstice]

Flora can make a flower cult

[civic geyser]

I bet they were told to make her the most popular afk waifu

so she could invite more people

[oblique solstice]

Slise is the adjunct

[civic geyser]

Talene as Mehira's direct counter by popularity alone

[charred flint]

When you think about mehira is probably one of the biggest threats esperia could ever have no mortal can with stand her mind corruption

[civic geyser]

hm, she could probably be countered by asexuality

finding someone who wont get charmed by her

[dark heath]

Niru’s lore makes me sad, especially his kid’s lore too

[charred flint]

Hm not sure bc I bet half of the people who worship her didnt want to become so obsessed let alone do anything for her on will so she possibly even corrupt someone like that too

[civic geyser]

yikes

And yes, the entire forsaken family had sad lore

[charred flint]

Her corruption isnt just by using her charm

[charred flint]

100% sadness

[dark heath]

Ye

[civic geyser]

The way Daimon's story was told was the saddest

his perspective was just

PAIN

[dark heath]

Right?? He was just a baby boy

[civic geyser]

yeah

[dark heath]

He just wanted to play with his friends man

[silk widget]

The boy didnt even have friends. His only friend Stitchy :(

[civic geyser]

somehow they're having more fun after death

Oop Niru's lore was, something

Man forgot to pay his child support

speaking of the lore of dead people

as sad as many of the gb stories are, some of them had their butts handed to them in full karma

Torne, Nara, Ferael

they really went "Hey, what could go wrong?" and they went wrong the worst way possible

on the bright side, undead pirates

hell, they should form a union

"Undead Mafiosos"

[silk widget]

@civic geyser why fer's death was karma? He was good character in life and retain his will even after becoming gb

[civic geyser]

oh right

I was just thinking he willingly submitted to a strange woman who turned him into a gb

but then again she 'saved his life' so cant blame him

but also even if ferael was a good guy he was way too into shooting arrows at people

[trail kite]

He is a neutral man. He just disposed that woman body after he killed her

[charred flint]

Am I the only one who would have sworn Lucius and Belinda were Siblings when they first saw them

[silk widget]

My first impression without reading their lores is that they were lovers

[trail kite]

They're partner for me

[spice mulch]

They both work for the temple of light

They are coworkers

[trail kite]

I thought about making Fera parents too

They still alive... Except they're old

[trail kite]

His mom sells stuff in the market

[distant idol]

hm, i never actually thought about that

i wonder if any of the current gbs family members are still alive

ofc theres baden being estrildas uncle

but i mean theres characters where family is entirely unmentioned

[trail kite]

Humble woodland cottage mum and dad

Yeah... Sometimes i hc some are still alive

Nara is an orphan

[distant idol]

silvina and Isabella are orphans

if i remember correctly grezhul isnt technically an orphan but left his family pretty young to become a praetorian

[trail kite]

His father was a guard

And he followed his dad's career

[civic geyser]

However everyone fking died no thanks to Prince Edwin

Also

Vurk is Skreg's older brother

lets see, for gbs

Nara was orphaned, same for Silvina and Isabella before Vedan took them in

Kelthur has a step mom and step brother who sent him to his death, but it is possible Kelthur would be killing them offscreen

[civic geyser]

Can I just say how the Durri maulers have some of the more badass lore

Skreg: tames a beast of nature 10 times his size
Vurk: Steals a highly potent venom from one of the most dangerous maulers
Drez: Solos a predatory bird even when abandoned

[trail kite]

durri are small but badass

[civic geyser]

the other maulers except Brutus are literally just: everyone dead and I must fight to survive

Not to say they have bad stories though, all of them are good reads

[trail kite]

mauler main reason is...

SURVIVE

[civic geyser]

true

[trail kite]

the only gbs family i knew is the forsaken family

[civic geyser]

Technically Vedan and the girls are an adoptive family

[charred flint]

Well yes they are work partners but I also ship them

[woven fulcrum]

Anyone know why shemira is wearing a blindfold? Is she blind or somethin? I swear i've read the answer somewhere but i forget

[charred flint]

Theres nothing that mentions shes blind I think it's for her magical purposes

[silk widget]

@woven fulcrum been too long so i cant remember in details but in cn lore, shemira turned blind for crying days n nights after her son had died

[woven fulcrum]

Ah ye, i think that's the answer

Thank you fella

[civic geyser]

oh wait I was thinking about Cecilia

Cecilia is blind so I mistook

Yup, read her lore. She isn't blind, she's even described to see Niru and Daimon as GB forms before she herself became one

So yes it might be for magic aesthetic purposes but I also believe it is symbolic for something, possibly for her eyes being opened to something else, something more powerful now that she is undead

But hey, that's just a theory

A GAME TH_

[silk widget]

Shemira is definitely blind. It just isn't mentioned in eng lore

[civic geyser]

idk I just have the english version

and Im too lazy to translate

[civic geyser]

yup, she's blind

also Xuemila sounds so much better

[silk widget]

Shemira and daimond lores are so sad

[civic geyser]

Yup

They should have gone more into the family aspect of Niru's lore

[jaunty nacelle]

What's a Shemira ?

[civic geyser]

Idk I only know Xuemila

[charred flint]

Why is her name Xuemila in Daimons lore

[silk widget]

@charred flint i dont know. Ask auto translator lol. That is shemiras lore, not damons lore

[vapid musk]

I laughed so hard at "Dimon" lol

[fresh birch]

雪米拉 (Xuemila) is Shemira's name in Chinese

[charred flint]

Oooooh

I assumed it was Daimons lore before

[trail kite]

Auto translator make the name like that

[charred flint]

Not sure If this is lore related but how is hypogean pronounced I've always pronounced it
hi-poe-gian

[trim shell]

hi-poe-gee-uhn.

[charred flint]

Thanks

[fallen trellis]

Ezizh gives a good pronunciation in his dialogue

[dense rune]

just call 'em hypos

By the way, I was wondering, isn't there like a Hypogean pacifist somewhere in the lore? A Hypogean who's not evil and doesn't want to eat every living being?

[fallen trellis]

You can argue that for Mehira

Although she is sometimes described as the physical form of temptation

[dense rune]

that's intriguing

[charred flint]

In her lore shes basically a Charming hypogean who tricks people into ending up worshipping her

So technically she is evil

Despicable even

[vapid musk]

And also for some bunch of people she is literally the Goddess of Love

[charred flint]

Those people are the people she has charmed into worshipping her

Almost like a hypnosis except they arent under any control and are aware of what they're doing but so obsessed and dazed by her charm

[trim shell]

Eh

She's also revered as a goddess by some cultures/groups

[charred flint]

Where does it say that?

Not trying to be rude I just wanna know these things there good to know

[trim shell]

The Valentine day event last year

U can probably find the lore if u look it up

Lemme see if I can find it

[charred flint]

Kk I'll look it up now

[trim shell]

https://www.afkarena.net/valentines-event

[charred flint]

I found this its hard to read but I can just about read it

Oh wait it's not glitched now

[trim shell]

See the link I sent above for more

[charred flint]

I just read it and very interesting I still think although some mortals believe she is this amazing love Godess when really she has a toxic side to her

[fallen trellis]

Roses come with thorns

[charred flint]

Tbh I don't know why the evil god guy (cant remember its name) created her seing as she kinda does her own thing

[fallen trellis]

Annih

I mean

A lot of hypogeans just do their own thing

Mezoth just does what he does cause hungry boi

[dense rune]

Was there a case of a human or a mortal being befriending a hypogean?

[charred flint]

Not that I know of

My big question is that if it came down to it would free range hypogean such as mezoth and mehira still serve annih if he needed their assistance in raids/war etc.

[dense rune]

if he's a god then he can threaten them I guess if they don't subdue willingly

[trim shell]

Mezoth fights stuff

Mehira just does her own thing

And annih is AWOL

[charred flint]

What does AWOL mean

[dense rune]

absent

[charred flint]

Absent? Isnt he still alive you know doing evil god stuff

[trim shell]

Nah

He dipped

[charred flint]

When?

Theres no mentioning that I know of him dying

[trim shell]

He didn't die

Ig it would be more accurate to say that he abandoned his duties

But we don't know if he actually does anything

[charred flint]

So he was just like
"You know what fuck it, I cant be bothered"

[trim shell]

Or if he's just out doing whatever.

[lament meadow]

annih went out for cigarettes cmon man i thought you knew

[dense rune]

That's shame, I think that a hypogean befriending a human would be pretty interesting story wise if executed well

[lament meadow]

in the afk timer one of the quotes mezoth has is "annih will reign supreme!"

[trim shell]

Mezoth serves annih, mehira doesn't really do the whole " human extermination" thing

[dense rune]

I guess Mehira is the closest to a pacifist hypogean we have then

Another thing I find really interesting is that Zaphrael and Lucretia are still alive right? This means they could return at one point?

[trim shell]

They are

And it's implied that they escaped out of the barred gate with the other Hypos.

[dense rune]

When did they escaped? I mean, if they did that is

because I think it would be really entertaining to see their reactions when they learn that after 40 years nobody knows who they are

maybe the celestials will sense Zaphrael immediately but what about Lucretia

[trim shell]

When the barred gate thingy opened again

When the main story takes place

Which is ~1600 years after they were sealed.

[dense rune]

1600 friggin years?!

damn

[trim shell]

Mhm

[dense rune]

well, no wonder nobody will remember them

[silk widget]

We can just assume all playable heroes are still 'alive' at the current time

[trim shell]

It's probably complete BS like most of the numbers Lilith gives us

[dense rune]

that's a hell of a time jump

how are they still living in castles

at that point I am surprised people don't walk around with laser guns

[silk widget]

One thing we can confirm is graveborn empire has existed for thousands of years

[vocal portal]

the timeline should be around our time if it was past 1600 years

[dense rune]

So what do you think Lucretia and Zaphrael would do if they got out after 1600 years?

[vocal portal]

still fight

[dense rune]

I thought they would have gotten bored after so much time

[vocal portal]

their grudges die hard tho

i bet they wouldn't even notice the change of the world after 1600 years

[dense rune]

they might not even notice that they've escaped at this rate

[vocal portal]

what i like to think of this situation is beyblades

except, they don't run out of steam and still battle each other

[dense rune]

they would be like 'Oh, the battle arena changed...'

[vocal portal]

then proceed to destroy everything without noticing the civillians

[charred flint]

Conflict fades, betrayal lasts forever

[charred flint]

Remember afk arena is a fantasy game so the game play has different modern outcomes

[dense rune]

I know but the idea entertains me none the less 😄

[charred flint]

Besides if we had magic as powerful as some mortals have we probably would of never progressed with industrial technology

[vocal portal]

true

[charred flint]

The backstory of esperia's creations starts with a much different beginning with mortals then how reality did

[dense rune]

Nah, Zaphrael hugged her which means that he didn't want to fight her anymore at that point, he realized their mistakes. It was only Luc left to realize them too. Maybe after so many years they could at least go their separate ways so they could avoid destroying the world or something along those lines?

[dense rune]

I still want laser guns

[charred flint]

When did he hug her?

[dense rune]

you haven't read the 'end' of their story, have you?

he hugged her and jumped into the gate with her when Dura sealed the hypos

[trim shell]

It wasn't an actual hug

It was more of a tackle

[charred flint]

Remember the lucretia is currently merged with a hypogean and hypogeans last forever unless they are killed so eventually lucretias mortalness physical and mentally would of slowly drifted and when your immortal time probably feels quite fast 1000 years for dura is probably a week feeling

So you can imagine
Lucretias mortal hatred+Toxic hypogeans+never ending life

[dense rune]

maybe you're right, a not so evil Lucretia would be wishful thinking after 1600 years

[charred flint]

So much corruption even beyond a mortal can drive someone to lucretias lengths

[dense rune]

I understand

one can still wish

Another thing, isn't there a god who could break such a bond without killing the mortal inside?

[silk widget]

I doubt that.

[burnt coyote]

Yall ever think about how Niru is sepperated from his wife and child by the fact that he can't become an ascended hero and will never get a room in the oak inn?

[lament meadow]

i do

shits fucked man

[charred flint]

I just finished reading The Final Choice , and damn this shit hit hard one of the saddest lores I've ever read

[dense rune]

yeah, it hits hard indeed

this shows that Zaphrael didn't want to fight her but Luc, sadly it's most probably too late for her today if it was too late 1600 years earlier

[wheat widget]

I'm deadass waiting for the to do a Seven Deadly Sins crossover.

Just imagine Escanor dropping the sun on everyone.

[civic geyser]

Well this was a fun conversation to read

Ill admit for a moment I imagined The seven deadly sin but with our hypo heroes

Mehira as lust
Mezoth as gluttony
Lucretia as wrath

[trim shell]

Some fit, others don't

[civic geyser]

true

[trim shell]

Mortas is greed

Or envy or whatever

[civic geyser]

Id say envy, he wanted stuff he shouldnt have

[trim shell]

The SDS are generic evil traits so seeing them in the "bad guys" isn't weird.

Envy and greed are the same, I thought

And he has a skill called greed so...

[civic geyser]

yup

almost all the hypos have some form of 'pride' as well

still though, I like the concept

also on the topic of the 1000+ year time skip, Id say the fact that magic exists has hindered the progress of technology as there is no need for it as much

even heroes who dont have proper magic such as Raine, Rigby, and Rowan are skilled enough to thrive

Medicine? You have like, ten healers and potion makers

[trim shell]

one thing to note is that ancient human civilizations were pretty advanced, had magic that essentially put them on par with gods in some cases. but then they sorta got reset, at a point.

this was before GB existed.

maulers/wilders were created during this period.

so it's possible luc/zaph lived before then.

[civic geyser]

true

Strange to see how many of the graveborne come from different time periods, with some recent and some very old

[silk widget]

Quaedam, the one who created necromancy spell belonged to that long lost civilization.

[trim shell]

yup.

[civic geyser]

the oldest heroes in the game are probably Zolrath and Orthros

since Orthros was there in the original war and Zolrath was JFKing people since the beginning

[trim shell]

orthros or twins, i'd say.

[silk widget]

I notice that recently released heroes like mortas, luc, zaph etc... have their lores very consistent in eng vs cn. Make it look like they hire a new writer/translator.

[gritty trail]

Unfortunate that writer had to write 4 sentences each for Joker and Queen as their backstory

[civic geyser]

Good thing the dimensionals already have prebuilt lore behind them already

[jaunty nacelle]

smh my head

chocolate event

why do you have to do that to me

[lament meadow]

?? wdym

[jaunty nacelle]

I forgot to exchange the chocolates for rewards

and I missed a free 30 SI on a hero

[lament meadow]

O O F

[jaunty nacelle]

😭

[woven fulcrum]

Where did you get this? Mind to share?

[silk widget]

@woven fulcrum for that, you just have to switch in game language to cn and use an auto translator to read it. There are other cn lores published on some cn forum, but it requires you to spend some times searching around their site if you dont know cn.

[woven fulcrum]

Auto translator is like google translate?

Hhmm interesting

That might be a worthwhile endeavor

[silk widget]

Yeah. I usually just screenshot the lore to capture the text and copy/paste it to an auto translator

[charred flint]

Wasnt Athalia,twins,talene in the original war aswell

[civic geyser]

oh yes

But Orthros can time travel

so technically if you include the many times he keeps resetting, he becomes gradually older

[dense rune]

Someone said that the presence of powerful magic prevents tech progress in the AFK universe or any fantasy universe for that matter. Well, ok, maybe when war is concerned but ordinary people aren't uber powerful sorcerers so they would still want to make their daily lives easier through technology, like to harvest the crops, to have warm water, electricity, etc? Even when war is concerned there are guns in AFK so why wouldn't they try to make set guns better to reduce human losses on the battlefield? No matter how you look at it even if Gandalf was real in the real world people would still want more efficient and safer living. Unless the majority of the population is comprised of magicians that is, or set magicians purposefully stall humanity's tech progress so ordinary people don't become more powerful than them at one point.

So in the end, it seems that Belinda is stalling humanity's progress so she can reign supreme. The conspiracy is real!

[jaunty nacelle]

[charred flint]

Not really the origin on how humanity started in espiria is different the the esperian universe the gods gave magic to mortals and back then nearly every mortal had some sort of magic ability in a divine age of time however humanity became too relied on magic and started to challenge the gods and facing matches that they couldn't win eventually numbers of people who had magic abilities slimmed over the generations. So esperia did even toy adapt to guns and other more modern uses but some still rely on magic and the gods pushing humanity to a modern age with less industrial technology

So in a way Magic is stunting humanity from evolving lifestyle further to more industrial purposes but it gives an entirely new path all due to that one time on espiria when mortals relied on magic

[dense rune]

that's nice

but if magic is slowly fading away this means that this won't last forever

unless gods say otherwise

[charred flint]

Or unless more people decide to commit their lives to the art of magic such as belinda who wasnt born with it but worked for it

[charred flint]

That's actually a good point since dura made all kinds of magic for mortals but now that dura has passed who knows how long it would last

[jaunty nacelle]

Dura's not dead

[charred flint]

Not dead but more "fallen" is one way to put it

Just not as she was

[dense rune]

So you wanna tell me Belinda's not behind the conspiracy?

I knew it, I should've listened to Kratos, it's the gods, it's always the gods, never trusted them in the first place

I knew there was something sinister about Talene

I knew there was a reason behind her being the most overpowered playable character in the game

[charred flint]

In Athalias lore its described as death

[dense rune]

That's sad, what happens when the evil god of the hypos returns with the cigarettes then?

who's going to oppose him

[charred flint]

Once hes had his last margarita

[charred flint]

The Remaining celestials, The human armies and allied forces

[dense rune]

but he's as powerful as Dura, maybe even more powerful

He'll return on a few energy drinks and will be like 'What? Dura's dead? BOIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII!!!!' and the world gets destroyed

well, the world will get destroyed except for Zaphrael and Lucretia, they'll still be fighting each other after that

[silk widget]

Annih has failed to destroy Esperia before, and he will just get his ass kicked again if he comes back

[charred flint]

Also alot of his hypos go off topic
Annih, makes....
Mezoth- Too busy eating
Ezizh- Too busy tryna fight a fairy
Zolrath- Too busy fuckin up time for everyone
Lucretia- Too busy tryna woop Zaphs ass
Mehira-Too busy making her own worshipping empire
Khazard- I dont even know what he does anymore

[dense rune]

yeah, Annih's army kinda sucks as an army

[silk widget]

Ezizh and khazard wouldnt count as annih's creation, am i right?

[dense rune]

but maybe they would make for good drinking buddies

except for Lucretia, she's eternally pissed so she might as well break the glass into ones face

[silk widget]

Ezizh is a spirit form originated from the dream world, and khazard was controlled by that alien beast lol

[dense rune]

true

[unkempt agate]

Dark Lucius anyone?? Ehh

[dense rune]

indeeeed

Annih will make Esperia -2.0 with evil versions of all nice characters

[rapid pendant]

Who's power over ice is stronger Khazard or Alna?

[trim shell]

Alna doesn't really control ice per se, she more sort of brings winter and stuff.

[distant idol]

i dont think khazard really controls ice either

i think hes just really cold and controls like

some ice

alna prob stronger cuz she brings winter to the whole world

[trim shell]

ah, powerscaling, the most fun part of any fandom.

[charred flint]

Khazard bc alna doesnt control ice

[silk widget]

Khazard is controlled by the icy serpent which was originally a tentacle of the sea beast. That snake is the source that gives Khazard ice ability

[woven fulcrum]

Wasn'tt khazard like sea guardian?

If we take a look at current sea guardian, that is seirus.. he's capable of manipulating sea and stuff

Soo khazard might not be that far off, plus he has ice ability now

[trim shell]

khazard was like, incredibly powerful before gouldos got to him.

[woven fulcrum]

As for alna, keep in mind that she was demoted to demi-god and she can bleed (as stated in lore)

[trim shell]

he was The sea elemental, like the one who dealt with all of the water.

Alna in her lore story is vastly weaker than alna now.

[woven fulcrum]

So i'd say khazard hold the candle in this one

[trim shell]

since her lore story was like, before she had winter power stuff.

[woven fulcrum]

Well i don't even have both ingame

[trim shell]

i'd say control over global weather is pretty crazy, but so is khazard.

[woven fulcrum]

Is there any lore about gouldos?

I can't seem to find anything related to him

But from the stage lore, i can say he's either from outer space or some kind of primordials

[trim shell]

gouldos is like, this ancient hypogean monster who destroyed an ancient civilization and periodically gets vibe checked by seirus/gorvo.

[woven fulcrum]

Oohh

So he's one of Annih creation

[trim shell]

yeah.

[woven fulcrum]

He's part of the squad then

[jaunty nacelle]

Bad translation

[trim shell]

makes sense.

[woven fulcrum]

Damn annih and the bois
Kane, Gouldos, Khazard, Lucretia, Mezoth, ezzizh, mehira, mortas, zolrath

When you think about it, annih's army is lowkey op

[jaunty nacelle]

[silk widget]

For anyone who is curious how khazard got his ice ability

[trim shell]

yeah.

[distant idol]

i hc that Hentai Overlord Gouldos is actually annihs disembodied feet

[trim shell]

Khazard's current status is weird.

it's like, he still hasn't necessarily given up his role as the big water elemental.

and i don't really buy seirus being nearly as powerful as khazard.

since he sorta only really deals with the azure cove stuff.

[distant idol]

its never stated that he only deals with azure cove

its just stated that he lives there

[trim shell]

that's fair, I suppose.

but IIRC he like never leaves there.

[distant idol]

i dont remember that ever being stated

[trim shell]

i'll find what i was referring to in a second, can't log on to afka rn.

[gritty trail]

Dangit I thought that hc was long dead and buried

[dense rune]

there's one thing that's pissing me off about celestials and hypos i

their drop rate is like 0,0001%

[jaunty nacelle]

[dense rune]

what's the point of them being playable at this rate

[jaunty nacelle]

You gotta gaze for them

Smh my head

[dense rune]

you might get one of them once in a blue moon and then it would be useless since purple characters become useless very quickly

[charred flint]

Why was she demoted to demi god also hwo does that work I haven't read her lore but I've always assumed she was born a god how would one give her a piece of humanity

[gritty trail]

I mean, f2p wise I have both Ezizh and Mezoth above Mythic

[dense rune]

how long have you been playing?

[gritty trail]

SI +20 and almsot full t2 gear

Ehhh around ever since Gorvo and Mehira were first released

[jaunty nacelle]

I have Talene Twins A
Ezizh M
Mehira M+

I’ll get Ezizh to A in a year

[dense rune]

and you were playing since the game has released I guess?

[jaunty nacelle]

Nope

[charred flint]

The only Celehypos I have are Zaph,lucretia and flora

[jaunty nacelle]

Let me find a chart

[dense rune]

at least you give me hope that I might get my Lucretia above purple one day

[trim shell]

@distant idol "he naturally protects the area to which he is bound" (this area being the azure cove). doesn't mean that he can't leave the cove, but it is really the place that he protects/focuses.

[jaunty nacelle]

Lucretia ? 🤢 🤮

[gritty trail]

Stargazer usually makes summoning celestials and hypogeans much easier

[charred flint]

I've pulled her from normal tavern once it is possible

[dense rune]

theoretically speaking

[jaunty nacelle]

@dense rune

I hope the quality isn’t shit

[dense rune]

Why this reaction? She can kill entire teams 😆

[jaunty nacelle]

Lucretia bad Gwyn OP

[charred flint]

It is very shit

[trim shell]

Dannie dislikes Lucretia solely because I like her.

[charred flint]

Lucretia goes head on into battle then woops ass

[jaunty nacelle]

[dense rune]

Lucretia's best, I literally downloaded the game again because of her and that Desperation cinematic

[jaunty nacelle]

Bruh

She was a simp

Which is a bad thing

[trim shell]

let's just say I'm a big fan of her.

[dense rune]

How?!

[jaunty nacelle]

Not even 40 SI

🤢🤮

[dense rune]

Tell me how do you get those drop rates pls

[trim shell]

$$$

[jaunty nacelle]

She’s lying

It’s just her F2P luck

She has a seeded account

[dense rune]

seeded meaning?

[charred flint]

This no one can deny but she took a U turn when Zaph killed Owain

[jaunty nacelle]

She was and is still stupid

No way she could save Owain

Zaph had to do what he had to do

Zaph absolute chad ⚡️

[dense rune]

you know Zaph could've refused her marriage proposal, Zaph could've also tried to explain himself after that Owain fiasco

[charred flint]

Ik that he had to kill owain to end his suffering but most likely not even lucretia knew that

[dense rune]

you're not a simp when you propose and the other person says yes

[jaunty nacelle]

Because she’s dumb

That’s why

[charred flint]

If your husband to left to be a god and left you to raise a child on your own then killed that child you would be pretty mad ik I would

[dense rune]

He was all smug about it in front of her instead of acting like a half human and comfort her or something

[charred flint]

Smug? How

[dense rune]

Before he throws that bolt

he said 'The gods have spoken'

like a douche

[charred flint]

He made his choice it's not being smug at all

[jaunty nacelle]

Nah he was an absolute chad

[charred flint]

He didnt want to kill his own child there was nothing else he could do

[distant idol]

i think that just means he protects his house

like any normal person protects their hous

e

[dense rune]

Like I said he could've said that to Luc so she doesn't turn into a Hypo?

[trim shell]

hmmmmm. but he doesn't like, really leave to go do anything besides vibe checking gouldos.

idk i still feel like seirus is more of a minor elemental.

since it says that khaz "broke the cycle" sorta.

[charred flint]

If he didnt shoot the bolt the twin terrors would of taken over Owains body and turned into an owain version of lucretia so he had to kill owain to end both Owains and the people suffering

[distant idol]

i mean its not stated that seirus doesnt leave

[trim shell]

which implies that he doesn't have an actual replacement.

[distant idol]

its just not stated that he does leave

also khazard broke the cycle by never properly leaving

id think he still got a replacement

i doubt gods woildnt notice a missing elemental

[trim shell]

eh, idk.

the elemental thing is weird and fucky and i Do Not trust Lilith.

[charred flint]

He thought he was doing the right thing that's why and I doubt he knew that the twin terrors would of survived such a blow

[dense rune]

you're right, Zaph was Zaph, Luc was Luc, nothing else could've realistically happened

but I can still blame him for that marriage proposal he accepted

[civic geyser]

I guess

But as I wrote before on another community argument about Luc vs Zaph, it's mainly about perspective

Both sides are justified and morally right:
In Zaphrael's defense, sparing his child meant failing his duty as a god and would release a powerful hypogean into the world, so he did what others would for the greater good.

In Lucretia's defense, seeing your child die at the hands of your husband, let alone a god, without explanation would definitely break you and understandably hate him. Any one person could be in either of their shoes and react the same way as either.

[half summit]

[civic geyser]

Though Zaphrael is still a little more in the wrong here due to the fact that he could have been a little less cold to his own family, at least offering Luc an explanation before going Thor over his own child

And becoming a god only happened after their marriage, so it was Zaphrael who willingly accepted the proposal only to ascend and leave her behind

That's why I chose Lucretia, but only by a margin

[dense rune]

that's what I was arguing about, just a little warmth or an explanation might've gone a long way; throwing that bolt at his son was objectively the best choice at the time though still a horrific one

[civic geyser]

basically it was morally right, ethically wrong

Stay with the hypos, they have all the cool stuff

[dense rune]

and they are purple too

[civic geyser]

Remember that most of them used to be human too

or at least mortal

well, 4/7 of them

Ah nevermind, they would try to kill me or turn me into a hypo

[dense rune]

I still want to see a human befriending a hypo or vice versa

it would be cool if executed well as a story

[civic geyser]

it could work considering the hypos like to reach out to people a lot

Zolrath attempts to assassinate someone but it turns out the person they were about to kill is pretty chill

Mezoth walks into a bar. Challenges everyone to an eating contest then starts befriending the patrons, dealing that he won't eat them as long as they keep feeding him

Mehira tries to seduce someone to join her cult, but the one she tries to manipulate is an amnesiac and becomes oblivious every time she tries to charm them

Khazard tries to spy on some city on behalf of his master but comes across a curious wilder, immune to his cold effect. Instead of killing them, he takes them along and tries to make the ice snake not kill the wilder

Mortas makes a deal with a graveborne, promising them eternal rest if they can earn enough coin. So Mortas and the graveborne travel Esperia, forced to do quests and bounties and occasionally jester shows, but search for clues to find the source of the graveborne's necromancy to eliminate it.

Ezizh walks into someone's dream, but he realizes that the dreamer can see him even without physical form. He hangs around more and realizes that the dreamer has sleep paralysis, seeing Ezizh when he enters that state. Instead of actively haunting the dreamer knowing his efforts will be useless, they chat every night, Ezizh gaining knowledge of manipulating dreams and the dreamer receiving knowledge of other dreams in Esperia

Lucretia finally gets caught by Zaphrael and a team of heroes. Instead of killing her, they punish her by putting her into anger management, where she is forced to contain her angry hypogean state with the help of a companion, who she can choose freely. She picks the graveborne Torne because he seems like the one least likely to force her into supression and his own rage and abilities are similar to that of the Twin Terrors. However, she quickly realizes that when the corsair isn't angrily wandering and leeching off people, his three heads lend out different wisdom and are pretty chill.

[charred flint]

I actually have an oc idea for a man trained in the army and a girl who is secretly a hypogean falling in love with each other but he doesnt know shes a hypogean until a faithful event also the reason he never knew is because she has hypogeans similar to the twin terrors that posses her in certain times when there not possessing her shes her normal self the story goes alot deeper this is just to inform you of the idea

[dense rune]

@charred flint you basically have the idea I had about if Lucretia could stop being eternally pissed she finds a man who actually cares about her and they fall for each other

but in general I really like the idea

[trim shell]

or a woman. lucretia x alna is objectively the best ship

[dense rune]

@civic geyser this is some golden fanfic material if you expand on it pls notify me, I'll gladly be your first reader

[charred flint]

I have the designs planned in my head soon I'm gonna draw the characters and then a union story perhaps

[dense rune]

maybe, who knows, but I would prefer it if it was a human, not a demigod

[dense rune]

I will be happy to read that

[charred flint]

Imma go read alna's lore I feel like I know too little about her

[trim shell]

Lucretia x Belinda...

[civic geyser]

Ill have to focus on one of the seven though

It would be funny if Lucretia went to different heroes for counseling and anger management. I think I can do that

Rowan, Skriath, Nemora, Torne, then a celestial, probably the twins

[charred flint]

@trim shell I have a question if lucretia gave the twin terrors nick names what do you think in your opinion since your obsessed with her she would called them?

[dense rune]

I want to read that

[trim shell]

i'm honestly not sure. haven't given something like that too much thought.

[dense rune]

Pissy and Crafty

one is angry the other one is insidious

[civic geyser]

I might post the story in the game community tab

hm, Rowan would try to teach her to be optimistic and to travel, then fail
Skriath would try to give alternatives from killing everyone like reading books and taming beasts, but it makes her angrier
Nemora tries to soothe her with magic and natural scenery as therapy, and it almost works, but her hypo instincts kick in an attack the wilders
The twins check on her after every hero and slowly become more dumbfounded and disappointed when she fails, but keep trying
Torne doesn't do any of that goody goody shit though, he teaches her to release all her anger, but in a good way.

Might even be able to teach her to get along with the twin terrors, like how they were forced to spend an eternity as a giant zombie. They would go out for drinks, start a bar fight, life leech off all the criminals and drunkards, and have a laugh

yeee

[dense rune]

yes, Lucretia will become Batman

but instead of saying 'Never kill', she'll say 'Only kill.'

[mossy parcel]

@trim shell

[civic geyser]

Hell yeah

Lucretia, housewife by day, vigilante at night

[civic geyser]

DEAR GOD

WHY

[charred flint]

[mossy parcel]

@trim shell lucretia as batman

[civic geyser]

Zaphrael should be Superman

[charred flint]

Omg

Hol up

[civic geyser]

wait NO

[trim shell]

👀

[civic geyser]

im gonna sleep, @ me when you're done

[gritty trail]

Tbh when I was drawing zaphrael once, if you remove the markings under his eyes he really does look straight up a typical hero shaped head character

[dense rune]

What monsters are you creating over here

[dense rune]

😆

she's still cute though

[charred flint]

Couldn't be bothered to draw it so I just slapped his face on superman 🧍‍♂️

[dense rune]

well, he has the huge chin and huge muscles so

and he's really tall too

In your opinion who is most likely to win this encounter?

I mean, since we've completely gone off the board at this point

[gritty trail]

Well, considering Lucretia is literally up in the face, she'll succeed in stabbing but also die from the homing missiles also being all around her, and will both die as a result

[woven fulcrum]

Iirc she was demoted because apparently she 'let' most of her kin get killed in the war.. idk if it's a dick move from dura or the requirement for godhood is some sort of bond with follower/kin.
Also being demigod doesnt always translate becoming a human right? I assume it's just she lost a good chunk of her power to point she can be mortally wounded

Again, we don't if it's a bad translation or inconsistency

[trim shell]

the demigod shit isn't properly explained at all.

but there is a vague connection to power/influence.

[woven fulcrum]

Yeah, we all know athalia and zaphrael become a god

Or should i say, Celestials?

But that's it

Also i think God ≠ Celestials

Dura is most definitely a Goddess

But Flora is Celestials

[distant idol]

tbh i think elijah and lailah are the only current actual gods

flora might also be an actual god tho

other than those two nobody else makes sense

elijah and lailah were made feom stardust

[woven fulcrum]

They are?

👀

[distant idol]

and flora isnt stated to be an ascended human so its assumed she was born as a god

every other celestial was something else that became ascended

[woven fulcrum]

If i recall, flora was made by dura fron aspect of spring

[distant idol]

talene was a finch, orthros a clock, wukong a monkey, zaph and athalia humans

[distant idol]

then id consider flora to be a true god

[woven fulcrum]

But she be created by Dura tho

[trim shell]

orthros, alna, flora all do as well IMO.

Orthros was created but he is like, pretty much the god of time at this point.

[woven fulcrum]

The one true God is Honas tho

[trim shell]

alna is the goddess of winder.

flora does w/e.

[distant idol]

alna wasnt stated to be ascended pre demotion so she was a true god

but i dont think shes really a true god anymore

[woven fulcrum]

Honas -> Ansiel, Dura, Annih

[trim shell]

she wasn't in her story.

but in the lore she is.

[distant idol]

my definition of true god is whether it was ascended and used to be some other being or if it was born as a god

[trim shell]

she has like, control over one of the seasons.

[distant idol]

so by that definition orthros is not a true god

[trim shell]

fair.

[distant idol]

elijah and lailaj are without a doubt true gods

they choose their form, they control a very important aspect of life, and they were made of stardust

[woven fulcrum]

Imo twins are Celestials

As from this statement

*The two deities were charged by Dura millennia ago to forge peace and cooperation between mortals. *

Well the concept of godhood itself is ambigous

[distant idol]

how are you defining celestial

cuz it might fit your definition but not mine

[gritty trail]

wait so dura wouldn't be a true god if this be correct

[distant idol]

how

dura wasnt ascended from a human

[gritty trail]

Was she?

[woven fulcrum]

Celestials are those who are related by Dura as created, ascended, and given charge or to rule

Or her faction

Idk

[distant idol]

it doewnt say anywhere that dura got ascended

[woven fulcrum]

Lmaoo

[distant idol]

and she supposedly created all life

i think basically only ansiel would be above dura

[dense rune]

eh, Soundwave is a tough boy, he wouldn't die after one stab

[woven fulcrum]

Honas is the God of Creation, he creates Dura
Dura is the Goddess of Life, she creates mortals
Event this is lowkey confusing

[distant idol]

ansiel is the god of creation

hes described as the heavenly crafter

[gritty trail]

Im assuming that's the soundwave from the animated series then? From what I remember (spoilers) ||he gets obliterated out of existence by 2 portals closing in on each other||

[woven fulcrum]

Wasn't ansiel a heavenly crafter?

[distant idol]

yeah the heavenly crafter crafted everything iirc

[woven fulcrum]

Well, my best bet is Honas created all deities including Dura, Annih, Ansiel, Elementals, other deity like twins
And at some point of time, his creation create something on their own like ansiel make orthros, dura make flora and made twins as her peace ambassador

[distant idol]

well by that definition ig everyones a celestial but dura amd annih and ansiel

[woven fulcrum]

Hhmm every Honas' first batch of creation is first generation Celestials, and what Dura create or ascend to join her ranks is also Celestials

But not mortal anf hypogean

[charred flint]

Celestial is basically another word for a god it's used in many cultures in real life

[woven fulcrum]

True dat, but well i'm still stuck in campaign afterall

[charred flint]

Ah I found the definitions so a god is a supreme being so all the celestials are gods but it says for a god to be classified as a celestial there dwelling must be in places such as outer space/divine realms/heaven etc.

So alna would not be counted as a celestial for example as she dwells among the mortal world in the mountains of espiria

Also a demi god is just a God that can be injured and dont have as much power as a god or a inter breed of a god and a mortal

[woven fulcrum]

No wait, if you invert the explanation it would make sense
Celestials are Supreme being
So every god is celestials, but to be classified as God, you must be dwelling in divine realms

But that raises more question

[charred flint]

Gods like Zaph, Talene, Twins etc are known as celestials bc they dwell in the heavens or what ever you wanna call it

Also a mortal who has been ascended to a god are counted as Gods but it depends on how much godlyness the being who ascended the person wether they turn out to be a demi god or god

For example Zaphrael was acsended into a God but Athalia was only ascended into a demi god making her open to damaging injures and blood spill

[dense rune]

yes, he didn't die, he got teleported into another dimension

That's why it's canonically possible for him to meat Luc or Zaph for that matter? But that's another story 😄

[civic geyser]

well lets relate it to mythology we have now

Greek for example.

They have a loooong list of gods, from the originals like Gaia, who made the titans like Kronos, then birthed gods like Zeus, who birthed more gods like Dionysus and Athena, then ascended mortals like Hercules

[silk widget]

Late for the discussion, but i feel like athalia being described as a demigod is just a mistranlation. Athalia's cn lore just described her as a god. Then again, i had to use an auto translator, so it may not translate the terms correctly

[spice mulch]

Athalia used to be a human tho, she got ascended as a god then

[fierce heath]

I’ll explain this character story. She is a deceased being but returned to life when her body is attached to random pieces. The only thing making her living is the necklace around her neck. It’s what kept her together. Sometimes she will renew some limbs for better quality. She’s not the brightest but she is the strongest. I don’t have a proper name for her

[visual bay]

Orianna

[fierce heath]

Actually. That works. Orianna, the Stitched Girl

[distant idol]

PRETTY

is her hair also from multiple sources?

like different colors?

[inland crest]

Nice.

[civic geyser]

niice

[charred flint]

A human can be ascended to a full god

[civic geyser]

Like Zaphrael

[civic geyser]

I got an oc, also a Graveborne

[charred flint]

Cool design! Have you thought of their backstory?

[civic geyser]

I have actually

Kallos was claimed to be cursed for being born at the time of a village feud and lived most of his life that way. Peasant status, abusive dad, nobody wanted to befriend him, and his mother who was the one who taught him stuff like kindness and hard work died, so he ran away, most likely to Rustport, and became a criminal to survive. Although he tried his best to keep a good heart, his surroundings forced him to do the opposite until one day he stole from the wrong people and jumped off a building to escape. He encountered a graveborne in his dying moments, and was promised to live again but to embody the curse he tried to run away from.

So he currently roams around acting as a symbol of death, where if one saw him walking the night, it is belief that they will die soon after. In reality, Kallos is still trying to be good by only killing when necessary but yet again is forced into being bad due to his Graveborne nature, slowly losing himself in the dark magic until he finds a way to die again.

uhm yes, I overthought this

[charred flint]

Very interesting but I dont think it's natural for a graveborns to be Evil its just most of them are portrayed as bad people for example Shemira she just wanted to see the family again and Slivina and Isa dont even know there being bad

When you said hes forced by his graveborn nature

[fierce heath]

Actually. No. Her hair is her original hair. It’s mostly a dark black. Since she is dead, her hair never grew.

[distant idol]

ah makes sense

[charred flint]

When you think about it graveborns that dont fight like what do they do all day

They cant eat

Cant drink

Dont need sleep

Dont breath

Dont get there hair done

Dont have to cut their nails

Dont need to farm or work to buy things

[void rapids]

Oh uh, I expected the server to be more active

[charred flint]

Random, but #classic-chat is active

[void rapids]

Oh

Not really tho

[charred flint]

The servers activity isnt that bad

[distant idol]

i mean this server is surprisingly inactive for a server with 200k members

[limpid elm]

They pick flowers and do cartwheels, duh

[limpid elm]

A lot of people only joined for that I think 50 diamonds? And then forgot to leave lol

[distant idol]

prob

[sterile marsh]

U got diamonds for this?

[crystal tapir]

Some official artwork says otherwise.

I was under the impression that they can eat and drink if they want to, they just don't need to.

And even in the "need" department there's some outliers like Vedan.

[charred flint]

Well yes they could drink if they wanted to my only questions is if there body system no longer works how it used too if one graveborns drink does it just sit their in there stomach for ever how do they ya know and if it gets to full

Their insides no longer work like they used to and since they are dead it's in every way no needed to drink or eat as a graveborn they could if they wanted too but its certainly not needed

[charred flint]

Vedan does not need to drink

[trim shell]

he does.

he needs to eat/drink, as far as we know; so does Isabella.

since they aren't actually undead as much as gray/green humans, who are pretty much GBs but also not quite.

[charred flint]

Why would they need to drink or eat?

[trim shell]

they aren't dead.

they still need nutrients.

[charred flint]

For what? So they dont die

[crystal tapir]

There seems to be many kinds of Graveborn under one label.
There's resurrected ones like most of them, there's vampires like Vedan, there's cursed ones like Torne...

[trim shell]

yes?

[charred flint]

There graveborns how could they die if there already dead

[trim shell]

they can still die; they are still alive.

isa/vedan are weird.

they aren't dead/undead.

but still in the graveborn faction.

[charred flint]

I my as well just chuck everything about graveborns out of the window if now I'm being told there alive

[trim shell]

those two (vedan/isa) are the only ones who are alive.

the rest are undead.

[crystal tapir]

They might be cursed in a similar way to the scroll Mortas used. That's one way to turn GB without dying.

[trim shell]

they magiced themselves into being GB, IIRC.

which is weird as hell and makes no sense.

but so do most things.

[charred flint]

Wait so they used magic to turn themselves into graveborns?

[crystal tapir]

Yeah, and I'm saying it was probably the same kind of magic as the scroll.

[charred flint]

Is Silvina the same bc silv and isa both have those weird tails and ears

[trim shell]

nah, she died.

[charred flint]

Wait werent isa and silv graveborn or whatver they were and vedan before they met each other

In Isabella's story she turns into what ever she is after her parents had been killed to when she used her gifted powers to turn the attackers into dust

And that's before her and Silvina meet vedan

[crystal tapir]

Isabella and Grezhul basically became GB as a Super Saiyan type emergency transformation, it always came across to me.

[trim shell]

Nah, Isa became gb with vedan. They were human first.

[charred flint]

So Isabella had her powers before she was a graveborn

[trim shell]

Grezhul made a deal with queadam, who probably approached him after his death and offered him the power to avenge thoran.

[trim shell]

Yeah

[charred flint]

Ahhh ok I get it now

Poor Silvina must be so left out at dinner time

Wait when did Silvina die I havent read her lore

[trim shell]

she got killed trying to assassinate estrilda's dad.

then got resurrected by some passing necromancers, who could sense her anger/resentment.

[crystal tapir]

There probably still are more than one type of Graveborn that work in different ways, though.
Like how there are many tribes of Mauler/Wilder, and how Lightbearers cover not only humans but dwarves, etc.

[charred flint]

Wilders arent decided in tribes I'm pretty sure they're United

[crystal tapir]

You know what I mean. They're still very different in biology between each other.

[charred flint]

When the ya were created all sorts of different species were made

[crystal tapir]

Yes.

There was more than one way to make a Ya, so there's probably more than one way to make a Graveborn.

[charred flint]

Werent the ya made by Lightbearers or dura?

[crystal tapir]

The Lightbearers.

[charred flint]

Knowledge on how Lightbearers created the ya is probably all lost through out time

[crystal tapir]

Probably something horrific, considering how much the Maulers have historically hated them.

[charred flint]

I just realised when Shemira was made into a graveborn would niru might of done a similar thing Isa and Vedan did to turn them straight from human to graveborn or he just killed her and then resurrected her

[crystal tapir]

That's a really good question, honestly.

It's possible. Mortas and his scroll are still the elephant in the room with this topic.

[silk widget]

It's Annih who taught human how to create half beast half human species in order to stir conflict and weaken the human race

[charred flint]

Damn the certain ya who left to become wilders must of been really kind to let that past especially how there actualy legal in Lightbearer society today

[trim shell]

the main reason maulers hate LBs is since the LBs tried to wipe them out, starting a war.

[crystal tapir]

Right, that slipped my mind.

[charred flint]

Oh wow

Did the Lightbearers try to wipe them out before the wilders left or did the Wilders leave during the beginning of the war

[trim shell]

Wilders left as a result of the war.

Since they didn't want to get involved.

[charred flint]

Wise choice

[trim shell]

That's one of the reasons why the Maulers sorta dislike the Wilders

[charred flint]

Where I read about the ya it said that at the time both Maulers and Lightbearers knew the Wilders as "weaklings"

[crystal tapir]

Seems like the Lightbearers and Wilders are firmly allied with each other in modern times though.

[distant idol]

i wouldnt call it firm

but not on bad terms

[charred flint]

I wouldnt say "firmly" either

[crystal tapir]

And the growing Hypogean threat is bringing all the factions together to an extent, if the Bounty Board is anything to go by.
I wouldn't be surprised if some of that working together did remain after the main plot ends.

[charred flint]

There atleats legal in Lightbearer society but I doubt it's very common to see one in Lightbearer kingdoms and I doubt there hardly any Lightbearers visiting the wilders forests apart from the astral academy exchange students

[charred flint]

I dont think the bounty board is lore wise to them coming together that's just game play but it's certainly brought Lightbearers and Widlers closer, graveborns there just stayed away from and maulers and Lightbearers I aspect are still at huge feuding fights for example Thane losing his arm

[silk widget]

All three races did unite to fight off the hypogean in the first war

[charred flint]

Yeah I've heard about that

I can imagine Lightbearer Karen's complaining about allowing wilders Into society 😂

[crystal tapir]

And even if they were still at each others' throats, it's highly unlikely that there'd be no intermingling between factions going on, even if it was socially frowned upon.

[charred flint]

Yeah

Maybe in the future it might be different

If factions were to fully unite I think Lightbearers and Wilders would be the first to do so

I'm pretty sure a while ago someone had a Oc which was Half Wilder half Mauler

[crystal tapir]

Which, since both are Ya, is a very likely hybrid to happen.

Wouldn't even be a hybrid, really. Just a factionless Ya.

[charred flint]

I think it would depend on which they decided to stay as

Bc if Seirius could be accepted into the wilder even tho not being a wilder at all why cant a half wilder?

[crystal tapir]

More likely to be accepted among the Wilders than the social darwinist Maulers.

[charred flint]

Unless that mauler was like really kind

[crystal tapir]

Even then, I can't imagine that mauler's neighbors would be too happy about one of their own harboring a half-breed.

[dark heath]

I think seirus was easily accepted as wilder eventhough he wasn't in the forest bc he was a protector of the sea, and the sea/ocean is also part of nature

Same goes for Gorvo

[crystal tapir]

That said, the Wilders do seem to be the most open-minded of the factions.

For one thing, we know for certain that they'll allow a Dimensional like Nakoruru to join their ranks at least in an honorary sense.

[charred flint]

Yeah ik but seeing as he wasnt of any wilder blood at all its exceptionally kind of them to classify him as a wilder also being a wilder doesnt mean just being involved with nature that's just the average stereotype/lifestyle they have.

https://vm.tiktok.com/ZS3PkffQ/ This scene with this music makes it ten times sadder
Credit; @cofavo(on tiktok)

[silk widget]

Tasi was an outsider too

[dark heath]

Eh?

But wasnt she just a dream fairy

Well not a fairy but

She's a dream entity

[trim shell]

she was a dream fairy who was given a physical body.

so not originally an inhabitant of the forest.

[civic geyser]

oop, I missed a hell of a conversation

graveborne to lightbearers to maulers to wilders

now let's discuss dimensionals. Since people like Joker and Queen are now canon in Esperia and belong in a very different time period more opportunities are open

who else do you think could fit in the game?

[trim shell]

I'd love to see more historical dims.

[civic geyser]

A popular one was Jonathan Joestar

and for some reason someone suggested pokemon

Ooh Kratos would be a good choice

[spice mulch]

If they add a dimensional from myths and legends they'd add him on the store definitely

[fierce heath]

I drew Orianna being random while she sits. I may added spikes/bones plus details.

[civic geyser]

cute

gbs are cute when they arent trying to kill people

[fierce heath]

She was normal because she was hacked into pieces, like a normal gardener or painter. Now she is reattach to many parts.

[civic geyser]

yikes

at least she isnt cursed or anything

[fierce heath]

With the necklace, she’s being alive. Well. Not really but you get the point.

Her intelligence died with her, so she knows fighting for survival. And sometimes she always be the curious of all the gb. Just watching her touch stuff, is amusing

[civic geyser]

shes 'alive' yes

well if she's touching with a hand that isnt hers I can see why

[fierce heath]

She is not used to random feelings with new limbs but she’ll try again.

[civic geyser]

thats cool

btw have you planned on like, ingame abilities for her

[fierce heath]

A little bit. She would use a weapon for battle. And for losing animation is her splitting apart

Human Orianna is gentle lady

[civic geyser]

Ive always wanted to see what gbs looked like as humans

Like, Midget from the AFK community gave a good idea of what Silvina and Isa looked like before

[fierce heath]

Tbh. I see the two as sisters with dark hair and sky blue eyes.

Because their eye and hair was just inverted in my opinion

Orianna hair is the same, dark yet her eyes are blacken out with white pupils.

[crystal tapir]

Still trying to write Fuma's backstory. I have the basic idea, but there's still some very, very important specifics which I haven't quite figured out how to address.
As much as I love talking about my own characters, though, I'll leave it at that unless someone wants to help out over DMs.

[fierce heath]

Orianna, The Stitched Woman. Once a kind gentle woman who heart was pure, now rotten to cold coal. Her mind is gone, all she thinks is fighting to the survival. She is strong with new limbs, as she was once stripped away from her true body. With her form, she will wreck havoc to the one that gave her such a fate.
Dual Cut: when she strikes with her weapon, she will do a double attack with her second weapon of choice.
Unearthly Health: given the choice of death, she is not to die or shatter.
Splitting Dodge: at times to dodge, her parts will be halved and she will have lesser damage to her own.
Strong Determination: her head is strong, as is her determination as well. She will fight to the very end. She will not stop until she wins.

[civic geyser]

you could discuss it here since this chat is for ocs as well apparently

Also I like her abilities, Im trying to see how they could be translated into the game or such

Ocs yee

[fierce heath]

I tried to do the very fancy talk for the description. It was fun

[civic geyser]

It could be a bit better but yeah

So in battle she would be similar to Brutus or Thoran, where she is immune to death for a few seconds

and then while she's in that condition her attacks do more damage

[crystal tapir]

Basic rough flow of events for Fuma's story, with the questions I have yet to answer. Parts will almost definitely change. (Why am I feeling so embarrassed about this...)

[civic geyser]

OOH is it a Mauler GbB?

[crystal tapir]

Yep.
I posted an ability set for her before, but I'll link instead of reuploading the image.
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/581292679095255040/795385948963733525/image0.png

[civic geyser]

woah, you made all that

[crystal tapir]

Yeah. It was fun to try to think of.

[civic geyser]

interesting, also because agility based mages havent been done before

I have some ideas on my own oc's skills but havent written them down yet

[crystal tapir]

Well, if you want to share them at some point, I'm listening.

And yes, I did have "direct Ainz counter" in mind when designing her playstyle

[civic geyser]

well Ainz does need a counter-

[civic geyser]

Death's Messenger
Kallos

Ranger: Sacrifices health to gain an advantage over enemies while also weakening them.

Ultimate: Karmic Power
Kallos moves behind the enemy with the highest attack power and deals 300% damage to them. This ability's attack power is increased by every 1% of Kallos's and the enemy's max HP lost.
Lvl 2: Power is increased to 2% of Kallos's and enemy's max HP lost.
Lvl 3: Initial attack power increased to 300%

So far I have his ult

[crystal tapir]

I wonder what background this character has to match their abilities.

...I'm also admittedly curious how a direct match between our two OCs would go.

[civic geyser]

2nd Skill: Corrupt Spire
Kallos strikes the enemy closest to him for 160% damage and knocks them down. If successfully knocked down, Kallos will commence another attack dealing 100% damage.
Lvl 2: Damage increased to 180% and 120%.
Lvl 3: After this ability has been used, Kallos will recover 10% of his lost HP and 60 Energy.
Lvl 4: Damage increased to 200% and 150%.

3rd Skill: Compensation
Kallos activates a shield around himself that mitigates damage equal to 200% of his current health for 8 seconds. After this ability is activated, all HP received from allies is instead converted to attack power and all energy received from allies is converted into Haste.
Lvl 2: If an enemy is slain while this ability is active, the stats gained will be kept until the end of the battle.
Lvl 3: Shield now mitigates 300% damage.

Passive Skill: Deathly Aura
Kallos will constantly emit a faint poisonous aura around him, causing him to be 20% more vulnerable to damage, but all enemies close to it will also receive the same effect, but will also lose 1 Haste and 1 Dodge for every second they remain in it.
Lvl 2: When Kallos dies, any enemies in the aura's range will not regain their lost attributes and will remain vulnerable until the end of battle.
Lvl 3: Kallos is now only 15% vulnerable to damage, but enemies remain 20% more vulnerable.

Ill make his sig later but it will have to do with his Compensation ability

[crystal tapir]

What do you mean HP received from allies?

[civic geyser]

basically healing

Supports like Rosaline, Rowan, or Numisu will not be able to heal him but instead raise his attack power

Oh god Kallos could pair with Numisu from their healing and attack power

If Rosaline tried to replenish his energy, he would just become a speed demon

broken, but balanced out by his vulnerability

Signature Item: Serrated Daggers
Ability: Unliving Terror

When Kallos receives fatal damage for the first time, he becomes immune to damage for 5 seconds and the ability Compensation is immediately activated. Can only be activated once per battle.

10+ Unlocks: Life leech is increased by 10 points

20+ Unlocks: Life leech is increased by 15 points

30+ Unlocks: Every time an ability is used after Unliving Terror is activated, Kallos gains an additional 5 life leech points and 5 haste points.

[charred flint]

Cleopatra dim would be nice

[jaunty nacelle]

Lightning McQueen dim would be nice

[charred flint]

[jaunty nacelle]

[vocal portal]

So you’re say that the LB created the maulers and the wilders

Sorry for late message

[charred flint]

Yes but at the time they were the ya

[vocal portal]

What does the ya stand for?

[charred flint]

Doesnt stand for anything before the maulers and wilders decided they were none as the "Ya"

[vocal portal]

Anyway to find lore about this

[charred flint]

Not in game but I cant remember where I found it, it was a official post tho

If you googled it you would find it

[vocal portal]

Ok thx

[charred flint]

@crystal tapir useless fact but your ocs name means smokes in Spanish

[silk widget]

@vocal portal https://docs.google.com/document/d/1HTBXUPaoTa3aMkYQCGZuNqdILsf2t8cvelyqm8pNT2Q/edit?usp=drivesdk

[civic geyser]

so uh

humans did some naughty things huh

[jaunty nacelle]

[charred flint]

Rude that didnt include the Satyr or Arachin or Sphinx

[dark heath]

Is Saveas a goat or a sheep?

[lament meadow]

goat!

if he were a sheep hed look more like nemora i think

[thorny basin]

Is Nemora a drуad?

[lament meadow]

no, just a sheep i think

[thorny basin]

but she has hands

I think sheep with hands doesn't exist

[distant idol]

shes an anthropomorphic sheep

i dont think that cat and fox and bunny girls and boys exist

or lion and human hybrids like brutus

or living sphinxes like safiya

[charred flint]

Shes a wilders there a mix

[trim shell]

animal people in AFKA are weird and inconsistent.

[charred flint]

Why so negative on everything about afk arena?

[trim shell]

Am I?

[trim shell]

^ this isn't a legitimate complaint I have.

[distant idol]

tbf afks lore isnt consistent at all

[trim shell]

Nor are most of the negative things I say.

[distant idol]

it causes me so much pain :sadcat:

[charred flint]

Well its just when a certain topic is brought theres always someone being very negative

[trim shell]

And it's just a fact that there could be more consistency in the lore.

[charred flint]

@thorny basin Нет, тебя не забанят

[thorny basin]

Класс

Честно говоря, читая обсуждение реальности существования персонажей АФК арены меня поднапрягло.
Хотя, возможно мне просто показалось, что в соо было немного агрессии

А как много информации урезано из био Шемиры?
Просто в сообщениях выше вроде был перевод с оригинала

[charred flint]

Не уверена

[thorny basin]

Мм
Окей-окей

[trail kite]

Any sane GB?

[marsh kiln]

Yea like isabellas story says her parents died when she was 8 and Silvia is older than her but silvinas story says she was orphaned as an infant

[silk widget]

I would blame it on the eng translator. Silvinas lore in cn only said that they were a pair of abandoned orphan. And in jp, they were described as being abandoned at an early age

[thorny venture]

It feel kind of weird posting this here, but here is the character concept I'm working on. Its pnly about...15% completed seeing as I still need finish the sketch your seeing now, design a fair yet powerful move set, and Redo the entire Sketch but digitally because i cant draw on A computer and Have to resort to importing amd tracing over What i did on paper....

But here it is anyway Lmao

[civic geyser]

yeee

looks fancy

something like Fawkes but sexier

[charred flint]

Useless fact but Gwyneth means whitey in my country

[charred flint]

Name, faction?

[limpid elm]

I think they'll reveal that when it's done, you know finish the drawing and then see what name, faction and personality traits match

[civic geyser]

intersting

[thorny venture]

I havent thought of a Name yet, But i know the class will most likely be Lightbearer seeing as he is More of a magical human than a Animal, elf, God, demon or Walking corpse.

[charred flint]

Fawkes future son

[whole parrot]

can we talk about how awesome mortas' story is but also how they're giving us the story of every person edwin knew but no edwin

[dark heath]

So I just finished reading some of the Maulers’ stories. I still can’t tell if they’re supposed to be good guys or bad guys

[charred flint]

To the Lightbearers they're the bad guys but to the maulers they're the good guys

[crystal tapir]

They're "blue and orange morality". They're not inherently good or bad; their way of life is just so different from anyone else's that it's difficult to relate.
Don't get me wrong -- some are unquestionably heroic (like Skreg and Khasos), and some are unquestionably evil (like Golus, and Khasos's former master), but for the most part they're just... Themselves.

[charred flint]

Lightbearers killed hundreds of maulers, maulers have killed hundreds of them

And the end of the day the real evil guys are the hypogeans and even they know it

[trim shell]

note that the lightbearers were the ones who started the war.

[charred flint]

Were they not?

Oh wait I thought you said they didnt my bad

[trim shell]

the mauler society may have ... questionable ideals/views on morality, and they're far from the good guys, but they were not the aggressors originally.

[crystal tapir]

There's good and evil members of all factions (except the Wilders, who have no evil members, and debatably the Hypogeans, whose only ambiguously good member is Khazard).

[thorny venture]

So I didnt realize until after taking this picture that the camrea Not only was focused But angked wrong so now the sketch looks Like he is Thicker than the previous image dispute them being the exact same.

Regardless The Sketch is just about done, I just need to add the patterns on the jacket, and add some waves to The pants and Jacket to make them look more dynamic. I also might removed the Crossing Sword Pack Strap, and readjust the upper most Scarp part since i dobt like the way it looks....

Oh and another example of angling throwing off the sketch...

EXACT SAME PICUTRE MIND YOU but now he has a head twice the size of mount Rushmore

[dark heath]

This is why newbie artists need to learn the basics of taking pics of their drawing tbh

I see too many newbies in the art community just taking pictures the wrong angle (not from the top) with bad lighting or with a shadow falling on the paper

I mean not everyone can afford good lighting but ya know
You can try not to get shadows on the pic

Camscanner is a good app for taking pictures of drawings but it requires semi-decent lighting at least

@thorny venture try as much as possible not to press hard with your pencil or else this happens

[thorny venture]

@dark heath funny story about that.... I didnt press down hard. I just had to redraw it that many times

[distant idol]

looking for where tf the artist asked for critique

i dont seem to fuckin see it hmmm

[thorny venture]

Also im not a newbie artist per say, as a matter of a facg I have a Desk Lamp for the very purpose of photographing art, and i knew the issues with the Image before i sent it.

If anything im a lazy artist lmao

[distant idol]

its normally good etiquette to not critique art without being asked

[thorny venture]

Nah i dont care, its still beta

[distant idol]

it still annoys me esp with the amount of unsolicited criticism i see in this channel ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

i can leave it if youd like

[thorny venture]

Well thanks for looling out of me lmao

Look man you can stay all you wamt but I'm going to drag my happy ass to bed

[distant idol]

i should sleep too lol

[silk widget]

Are you taking a mil $$$ to live in esperia for a year?

[trim shell]

does this mean i can seduce Lucretia?

fuck yes.

[silk widget]

Im out. Gonna get my ass beat in this world lol

[distant idol]

i go straight for tidus

tbh wouldn't even be angry if he killed me

[trim shell]

based.

i could probably get lucretia to fall in love with me.

[silk widget]

You just need to be as 'cool' as zaph

[distant idol]

n o zaph was horrible

i doubt luc would ever marry someone like him again

as long as lucretia isnt straight od say mia has a chance

id*

[trim shell]

lucretia isn't even into men anymore according to that one (joke) post.

and as long as I prove that I'd also be a good mom.

she'd love me.

[distant idol]

id prob have to beat tidus in a fight for him to love me lmao

that def wouldnt happen

[trim shell]

just put on a warek costume.

[dark heath]

Sorry, wasnt trying to critique but give tips instead. Dont need to be passive aggressive esp if youre not the artist i was talking to

[distant idol]

imma still be passive aggressive cuz it just happens so much here and after a while really gets on my nerves

ik you didnt have bad intentions but its just mmmm

[dark heath]

Lol alright suit yourself

[trail kite]

They want me to die slowly

Even lay down on the inn

[vocal portal]

Yes, I’ll prob take my Kpop music their and blast it on, knowing they don’t understand the music

[dark heath]

Shemira and Lucretia aside, which hero has the most tragic backstory?

[trail kite]

lucri is more tragic than Shemi

shemi has her good ending

[civic geyser]

I would probably take the offer but Esperia is a risky place. It would depend on where you are and if you have powers or skills. I'd say the cities like Yggdrasil and Rainhorn are particularly safe and you could summon heroes to fight by you, but you would also meet a lot of morally ambiguous people if not outright dangerous folk.

then again, if you were magically isekai'd there for a year then people would automatically see you as a Dimensional and be praised as yet another powerful warrior.

If you were living there as if you were living in it your whole life, then I would probably hang around the tavern a lot or become a roamer like Rowan.

[oblique solstice]

...
Theowyn

[trim shell]

Theo, Rosa

[oblique solstice]

But talking seriously, Lucrecia
Shemira is now reunited with her child and husband, soat least a goid ending story

[oblique solstice]

Never read Rosa's lol

I should read her amd Rowan's

[civic geyser]

Rowan has a pretty funny story

probably the most lighthearted out of all the heroes

But yeah I do think that Rosaline has the saddest story

[silk widget]

To me, izold is the saddest hero, from hero to zero

[civic geyser]

true, but now he's back

he wanted to become strong again, and at least he was true to his word

amongst the graveborne though Theowyn is the saddest, she never had a chance

[silk widget]

Wilder faction looks like the happiest faction out of the bunch lol.

[leaden bloom]

Hello i have a question

Can fawkes touches stuff or people with his cursed hand?

[lament meadow]

probably yeah

its just that he has to "activate" the hand to do any damage

[civic geyser]

yep, it's translucent but I think its still physical

[leaden bloom]

Thanks. I thought he would burn things if he touches them

[shadow minnow]

they all deserve better

lucretias backstory hurt my heart

[civic geyser]

Eh, the celestials have it well, except for Zaph

[shadow minnow]

yeah true

they should animate more backstories, it gets me sooo invested

[charred flint]

I used to have an idea that he wore like some kind of special leather glove to stop his hand from corrupting things

[civic geyser]

let's see, lightbearers have Dead Parent syndrome
maulers are morally grey
most wilders are pretty swell
And the graveborne stories are tragic

[shadow minnow]

dead parent syndrome lolll

[silk widget]

Gwyn and hendrink union lore made me invested in afk arena lore... just wish lilith would make a cinematic scene about this. It would be epic

[coral zodiac]

Pwease, Lilith...

[civic geyser]

they should make some about the graveborne, like the fall of the kingdom of Bantus

Actually they should make Edwin a playable hero

[coral zodiac]

That one too would be very interesting

[trail kite]

theo is more tragic... she is

she witnessed everything

[civic geyser]

Edwin would most likely be an intelligence based hero, probably a mage

theorizing since Grehzul's ability weakens attacks against Intelligence based heroes and Thoran's curse ability would likely prioritize Edwin as well.

He's just too important to be left as mere lore, it even says he also became a gb and is somewhere in Esperia

[shadow minnow]

id love to see an estrilda backstory animated, or maybe silvina

[charred flint]

Oh ye an Estrilda one would be good like maybe when she learns how to use a sword or when she wins that competition in her lore

[civic geyser]

Maybe both Silvina and Estrilda

that point when their stories crossed over and both go down their paths

Midget made something like that

[shadow minnow]

yeah thats what i was thinking of haha