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#afk-lore
trail kite
crystal tapir
The most evil GB is Oden. He's out to make people stop existing, and the fact that he prepared his soul jar near the Void while he was still alive implies that he always knew exactly what he was doing. Second place is Nara for the slave-trading thing.
The least evil GB is Daimon. I'd go as far as calling him outright pure-of-heart. Second place is Theowyn, who... didn't do much of anything. She was just used beyond her control.
crystal tapir
Niru's an interesting case. He was pretty bad when he was alive, but I'd say he currently embodies "Good Is Not Nice" after reading his Union Story.
pale brook
alright so
dark heath
Wym and
pale brook
he could have showed remorse. he could have consoled lucretia that it was too late
crystal tapir
Anyway, Zaphrael did at least show remorse during the fight against Lucretia, according to the Union Story.
pale brook
but that's not what lilith wants to do with his character
and that's ok
it's ok not to like him
coral zodiac
Or said to Lucretia that Owain couldn't be saved now or something like that
pale brook
he's at least interesting imo
dark heath
If your son was in zafario's position no not zephyr if your son was in Sapphire sons position he would just up and kill your child without even showing that you care even a bit that you were great killing your child even though if they already dead you won't feel hurt that they died due to the consequences of what happened by the other people he tried to protect by people his mom warned him about
I give there was nothing he could do
But in the end he didn't even try and comfort the mom he just looked at the statue of his dead goddess or dead leader and then just was about to walk off
No I'm sorry or there's nothing that I could do or I'm sure you'll be okay come here know nothing he just did it with out a second doubt his mind like he was waiting for this and that's why I chose the mom other than him she actually showed a parent so instincts other than just wanting her son dead just cuz he got taken over
He wasn't even there for his son he just up and left with the gods
pale brook
Zaphrael wanted his son dead because he got absorbed into a hypogean?
that's just an extremely biased way of phrasing that lol
I mean it's true, but
dark heath
What would you do
pale brook
he killed his son without a second thought / he acted decisively to kill the hypogean despite seeing that his son had been absorbed into it, as he knew that it was too late to save his son
crystal tapir
He's not a clear-cut good guy, anyway. He had ultimately just reasoning, but I don't think anyone would argue that he handled it in a very morally-appropriate way.
pale brook
like do you see how those two ways of describing the same event
dark heath
Bullshit
pale brook
have very different implications
pale brook
What would you do
anyway as for what I would do, eek, hard to say
dark heath
Their always "To lAtE"
crystal tapir
"On the side of good" doesn't mean "doesn't have any serious personality flaws".
pale brook
but uhh if I can try to put myself in that position
dark heath
He apparently is a god but didn't see peps go after his son
slim ore
zaph gave 0 fucks about that kid or about luc
he wasn't interesting in the relationship from day 1
random mantle
It's still a kid though
dark heath
and that's why I picked luc
slim ore
it's a hypogean at that point
crystal tapir
Am I the only one who read the Union lore?
slim ore
let's maybe chill out a bit there blaze
random mantle
I think Zaph got some bad rep because of that event afaik
dark heath
I'ma Yu-Gi-Oh player we don't read
pale brook
what
dark heath
XD
dark heath
To wing shit and see what happens
dark heath
Why not
random mantle
They won't stop guys
pale brook
this is fun
dark heath
Winging worked so far
crystal tapir
I feel like I'm talking to someone having a stroke.
slim ore
if ur gonna talk card games u should move, and if ur gonna talk lore, you really should read it in order to have a serious discussion
random mantle
Don't burn yourself trying to reason w/ a brick wall
slim ore
zaph was always dedicated to his job over anything else
pale brook
solemn, not expressing much emotion*
crystal tapir
What part of "it's okay not to like or agree with him" do you not understand?
slim ore
ah
dark heath
But I do wish to see who wins
random mantle
See?
slim ore
ignoring that
slim ore
even when he first saved luc, zaph was 1000% abt fighting hypogeans, and as such, you can't really be shocked when he isn't dedicated to a relatiosnhip
slim ore
the war is still ongoing
pale brook
of what was going on with him leading up to the events of Owain being absorbed
dark heath
Then dips
random mantle
I do think that Zaph vs Lucretia is one of the more interesting conflicts in this game
slim ore
i do wish luc were more than just "husband/son angst" but it is p interesting
dark heath
The charater you pick shows how you look at the story
pale brook
not necessarily lol
dark heath
Who did y'all pick
slim ore
zaph is pretty objectively a dick but he still is ultimately just doing his job when he kills owain
pale brook
the celerity hero
dark heath
And wym
pale brook
because I use celerity heroes
dark heath
You pick luc you looked at it as a parental view
slim ore
and like... when u consider that zaph, the entire time was very over with who he is? yes he's a dick but it's still like... are u shocked??
dark heath
You pick zaph you take you job over anything
random mantle
They kinda feel like Shem/Niru 2, but I let it roll bc they want to kill each other (at least Luc does, I suspect Zaph's dealing with guilt for once)
coral zodiac
@neon vault
dark heath
Even if you love your son you have to do your job
neon vault
๐
dark heath
As you can have another son
pale brook
yikes
dark heath
But not another god/godess
random mantle
I personally picked Lucretia because pretty woman....
pale brook
that's a bit extreme
neon vault
Am I not seeing something here
dark heath
I picked a badass
neon vault
Hi..?
dark heath
Luc is best mom
pale brook
they're both pretty badass imo
pale brook
lucretia slices things
slim ore
blaze was being trollish & disruptive earlier
dark heath
I was speaking my mind
random mantle
False, my Zaphrael "gets in there" and immediately dies lmao
neon vault
No...
dark heath
How I being troolish
pale brook
<@!247271652872683520>
why you pinging teemo like that
dark heath
And that's why he sucks
vale grove
blaze was being trollish & disruptive earlier
^^^^
neon vault
OH
slim ore
lol sorry rai pinged u bc i happened to be talking to her elsewhere & i forgot to give her smthn to say
pale brook
crystal tapir
My brain hurts.
slim ore
bless
pale brook
Lucretia literally is evil
dark heath
She doesn't even walk to you
pale brook
btw
dark heath
She flash steps
slim ore
what
pale brook
like she literally willingly let a hypogean uhhh
dark heath
Also luc was forced to be that way
pale brook
combine.. with her?
random mantle
Fuse
slim ore
bro she's doing it to avenge her son what part of that is evil
random mantle
Killing people for hypogean army I guess
dark heath
"the gods are blind they just don't care"
slim ore
tbf she just wants to kill zaph, i think
dark heath
She didn't want to be evil as long as she had her son
slim ore
but she's definitely not evil lmao
dark heath
Now son is killed by dad and she wants to kill dad
pale brook
bro she's doing it to avenge her son what part of that is evil
oh you know, the whole "fusing with a hypogean, enemies of humanity" part
random mantle
Oh, she was about to kill some kid before Zaph stopped her
slim ore
so?
dark heath
I do
random mantle
She immediately called on his bullshit though lmao
slim ore
that's not inherently evil
dark heath
She's a easy villan to read
neon vault
I feel invested into the story now
dark heath
Ut a good one
neon vault
Iโll just keep reading this
slim ore
that's like making a deal with satan in order to get smthn else
slim ore
bro her son was just murdered in front of her
do u know how scarring it is for a parent to lose their child, let alone lose their child like that
pale brook
I don't think she was in a state of mind to be thinking rationally
coral zodiac
^^
dark heath
Loose was one of the main ones who try to be good but then the her area around her wasn't as she tried to hold on to the one thing I kept her saying was her son and the story she told him about his dad and then the next time her son meets his dad is when his dad kills him right after her eyes when she trying to stop it she couldn't and she held on to the last thing that her son wore and then transformed even now when she turned evil she even holds on to that and she won't just wants to kill the dad for what he did
pale brook
meaning, I don't think she would have fully considered the implications of fusing with a hypo
random mantle
I see their relationship as doomed to fall from the beginning, and Owain's situation was lose-lose too
coral zodiac
bro her son was *just murdered* in front of her
^^^^
slim ore
fam that doesn't make her evil
it makes her misguided, maybe, but that's not evil
lmao luc/zaph is arguably the most grey morality-wise u can get in this game
dark heath
The evil people but she was just forced into joining them cuz her son died the main thing I was keeping her saying
sane
pale brook
she literally WILLINGLY fused with a being known to be an enemy of humanity
slim ore
she wasn't forced into joining, she choose to fuse in order to avenge her son
and?????????
pale brook
She has her own motives, sure
slim ore
sir that does not make one inherentl evil
pale brook
but what about the hypo
dark heath
No she wasn't forced physically but she was voice mentally by her son dying the last bit of sanity she had
Forced
vale grove
Lucretia is enraged and wants vengance, cause of Celestials(?, corrext me if I'm wrong), lost literally everything
crystal tapir
that's like making a deal with satan in order to get smthn else
That... Kind of IS inherently evil.
slim ore
is it tho
dark heath
No it isn't
She wasn't inherently evil cuz she didn't already have a vengeance before the actions happened
slim ore
it feels like yalls definition of evil is so lose it hurts
dark heath
Didn't automatically want the world to burn she was just being a parent which zephyrhill was not
pale brook
It's evil to fuse with something evil, thus giving it a host to survive with
slim ore
luc isn't joining the hypogean army, not really
dark heath
That's why she wants his blood
slim ore
it was already surviving on its own tho
random mantle
She may not be evil, but what she does - and what she does is killing more people who are not involved in Owain's death - is evil
dark heath
We really got to talk about why zafaria only came when his son turned evil instead of trying to do visits
slim ore
morality is way more grey than ur making it out to be my guy
random mantle
And she was in Annih's army so
dark heath
Mortality even makes more sense for what luc quotes say "the celestials do not care for insignificant mortals"
pale brook
like, by deciding to fuse with a hypo, lucretia is actively involved in perpetuating the existence of an evil race
dark heath
She knows how much the guys do not care for other people that are in danger except for when it comes to themselves
pale brook
the real question is are hypos evil
slim ore
not inherently, imo
crystal tapir
I stopped being able to coherently follow this discussion an hour ago.
random mantle
They both did many wrong things, but there were no right things to do too
dark heath
Granted you can't save everyone but yet you could come and kill my child within a heartbeat instead of trying to save him before it happens I know you saw my child get dragged out my house you don't have someone watching us 24/7 since my husband is a God you don't think someone's going to come after us that's the whole reason why he was captured in the first place
slim ore
people can do bad things with good motives and all that jazz
pale brook
BRO
It's crazy
how many people I've seen say that
"zaph could have had someone watching lucretia 24/7, he's a god"
slim ore
zaph literally gave 0 fucks abt her and idk why ppl dont get that
random mantle
He's a god good enough to only zap shit come on
slim ore
he's an asshole. he never hid that fact, but still an asshole
random mantle
And he only cares about zapping shit so
dark heath
You heard it slot Because it's true
dark heath
You fought a war againt people who hates gods
pale brook
he should let her be independent
slim ore
people don't understand how character motivations work and it shows
pale brook
if she wants to be
so if she leaves him
why would he assume that she needs protection
dark heath
Then you become one and have a family and NOT Think Anything bad would happen
crystal tapir
mostly bc mehira exists and mehira just wants to smash
Not really. That's an act. A tool she uses as a means to an end.
Hell, her lore outright states that the only reason she hasn't conquered Esperia is because she thinks it would be too easy and boring.
slim ore
zaph did not want her at all
pale brook
yeah, hold on
pale brook
didn't lucretia literally give birth to the kid after leaving zaph
slim ore
Not really. That's an *act.* A tool she uses as a means to an end.
Hell, her lor...
but wouldn't that mean she really just wants to smash tho
random mantle
Zaph left her, that's the point
pale brook
Zaph left her? was he ever with her?
dark heath
But that's still his kid
slim ore
luc did not leave bc luc was massively deluded
dark heath
HIS FLEASH AND BLOOD
slim ore
bro blaze nobody here is trying to defend zaph
random mantle
Left her in the mortal world I mean
pale brook
like atom said, it seems like luc was clinging to zaph for a while
dark heath
The child should not pay for the sins of the parent
pale brook
while zaph's primary concern was the war
random mantle
And she clung to him after he ascended
dark heath
Just because you broke up doesn't mean you couldn't care for the child
crystal tapir
but wouldn't that mean she really just wants to smash tho
No, that's what she wants people to think, but she's really only out to challenge herself and test her own strength. Her ability to seduce is just a weapon.
slim ore
luc clung to zaph bc he saved her and then she built this idealized version of him that she fell in love with
ohhhhhhhhhhh ok
dark heath
Wait what
random mantle
I don't think if Esperia has the concept of aliments lmao
slim ore
No, that's what she wants people to think, but she's really only out to challeng...
i have... a Lot of hypogean hcs bc i really dont like any black/white good/evil stuff and i really do be forgetting about canon being kinda really dumb LMAO
random mantle
Hypogeans are a whole lot to unpack honestly
slim ore
i regularly forget mauler canon bc mauler canon hurts my soul so bad
dark heath
I'm still mad ngl
crystal tapir
I don't think if Esperia has the concept of aliments lmao
I... Don't think that's the word you meant to use.
slim ore
regardless of how he got into the marriage, he would still haev an obligation to try, esp once the kid came up
random mantle
They were created by Annih specifically to conquer Esperia, so canonically I guess their motivation is entirely just "kill mortals"
dark heath
But
pale brook
random mantle
But Lucretia wasn't created by Annih
dark heath
The son did what to him
pale brook
for sure
slim ore
that's why he got killed
pale brook
imagine if zaph was a great guy
crystal tapir
I can't even tell who's agreeing and who's arguing anymore!
dark heath
THEIR MISSING SON
random mantle
I can't even tell who's agreeing and who's arguing anymore!
Lmao yeah it's fun
pale brook
imagine if zaph was a great, caring guy
dark heath
I'm just big mad
pale brook
and he showed up in time to save Owain
dark heath
This is why I want to see that full fight
random mantle
Why you mad Blaze
dark heath
Because he's a bad dad
pale brook
and he promised to protect him and Lucretia
random mantle
No one's defending Zaph
slim ore
I can't even tell who's agreeing and who's arguing anymore!
you, me, and kuronyan all have the same general idea of what's going on. i cant speak for anyone else in chat
dark heath
He deserves all the hands and feet
pale brook
What a boring story tht'd be.
dark heath
Also flame swords
And I understand that
I'm just still confused on why such an ass had a son
pale brook
uhhhh
dark heath
You knew you would barley be there but yet you give her a child
slim ore
pressure?
pale brook
....
slim ore
having a child was a given back then
dark heath
HOW DOES THAT MAKE SENSE
random mantle
Lucretia bent him like that I guess
pale brook
HOW DOES THAT MAKE SENSE
hate to break it to you
dark heath
That's bs
slim ore
lots of gay ppl have bio kids before they came out to themselves
slim ore
and a lot of marriages at that time were purely of convenience so there still wasn't any actual /love/, just doing what society expects
crystal tapir
Also, a lot of kids aren't intentional.
pale brook
yeah.
slim ore
bro nobody is saying zaph is good or his motives were good. u dont have to argue that point anymore
pale brook
a god with duties
dark heath
But left your ex and both of your son in a bad inviourment
pale brook
gods don't have some
inherent obligation to be good
slim ore
no, she died to fight the hypogeans
dark heath
Wait
slim ore
those are two different things. u can do good things without good motives
celestials do not give a fcuk about mortals, they only care about defeating the enemy
dark heath
So you mean to tell me a god could not spacificaly choice who he wanted to kill
With every god or person with lighting as a power you can pick who you hit/kill
slim ore
owain and the hypogean had fused enough that killing one would kill the other
pale brook
are you suggeting zaph could have aimed the lightning bolt
dark heath
Your lighting can pick a they wanting to kill
pale brook
to hit the hypo in a way that owain would have been released
dark heath
And he had to
slim ore
there was no aiming that would nto have killed the child
dark heath
to hit the hypo in a way that owain would have been released
@pale brook and yes
pale brook
do you think zaph is omnipotent or someething
trim shell
I have no clue what's going on but zaph is not onmipotent lol
dark heath
Hes still a bitch
random mantle
He has his whole titti out how much braincells do you think he has
trim shell
If he was Lucretia would have died ages ago
trim shell
Hes still a bitch
You're not wrong about that.
pale brook
I have no clue what's going on but zaph is not onmipotent lol
well this person trying to say that he is omnipotent, and that he chose to kill Owain
dark heath
Nah did luc win?
crystal tapir
"A god" does not mean "God with a capital G".
Gods in pantheons like Esperia has have limited, specialized abilities.
slim ore
oh also @crystal tapir derailing into general hypo lore for a sec: i say hypogeans aren't inherently evil because zolrath has proven that hypogeans can diverge and have their own goals, and mortas shows that mortals can trick hypos and remove their autonomy for their own gain. i have a whole lot on how dura is a bitch and such lmao. i really Do Not Like stories with such black/white takes
esperian gods are like greek gods. they're massively powerful, but they are specifically still human in some ways and are thus falliable
dark heath
"A god" does not mean "God with a capital G".
Gods in pantheons like Esperia has have limited, specialized abilities.
@crystal tapir last time I checked a god can do damn near everything. I saw greek/norse/Egyptian mythology and I've seen some shit
So your reasoning isn't as filled
Except the last part
slim ore
bro this is not the abrahamic god
trim shell
Bruh if zaph was omnipotent he could've just snapped his fingers and Bam. No more Lucretia.
slim ore
they are not omnipotent
dark heath
The limited part
trim shell
^
dark heath
I've seen zuse fuck EVERYTHING
trim shell
Alna literally was considered a glorified human for a while. Solely because she lacked power. Does that sound like omnipotent to you?
dark heath
Fair enough
slim ore
Your knowledge is clearly lacking if u think Zeus is omnipotent or all powerful
trim shell
I'm just saying, the esperian gods are anything but omnipotent.
Or the hypogean invasion would be over.
slim ore
I cannot stress enough that Greek gods are specifically meant NOT to be like the abrahamic God. They are limited, though incredibly powerful
dark heath
Why aren't the other gods helping
crystal tapir
ใใใใ
I'm going to coffee up before I end up having a stroke.
pale brook
Why aren't the other gods helping
that's a good question
slim ore
Bro... they have been fighting the hypogeans for ages. They only care about the war, not the people
dark heath
||ngl I don't know all of the other god ranks. I didn't even know they had ranks||
trim shell
Why aren't the other gods helping
With what?
slim ore
KDKRK MOOD LENDRI
dark heath
Ngl when you asked my that zaph quesion I winged it again
trim shell
There are sorta two ways the gods are split, imo. We have gods with explicitly named purposes/roles, like Alna or the Twins, and gods who just sorta are powerful, maybe have control over a certain element, but also sorta lack a higher purpose, like Zaph or athalia (who isn't really even a god anyways but w/e.)
slim ore
Winging it clearly isn't working anymore
dark heath
What type of gods are the two at the starting of the game
lament meadow
uhhhhh the Big Ones?
dark heath
What rank XD
random mantle
Anna's lore vid states that she was a Goddess, but got demoted to a Demigod
So I imagine that all Celestial heroes are demigods, who have A Lot of power, but not omnipotent in slightest
Dura and Annih, however, are Gods with capital G, and they can do almost anything they want
So, we basically have at least two ranks - demigod and God
random mantle
What rank XD
There you go
random mantle
She and her brothers are bound by grudge, I doubt she'll be able to get over it
dark heath
Oh
So a petty final choice?
Basic a pettyer version of luc and saph story
Wait
I can't say that
I CANT SAY THAT AT ALL
crystal tapir
Theowyn is Thoran's sister. Their traitorous brother Edwin took advantage of a political arranged marriage that she was going into as part of a plot to assassinate Thoran and everyone close to him. She had no clue she was being used as a trojan horse until it was too late, and she blames herself.
gritty trail
Yeah Edwin is probably the biggest prick so far in the universe of AFK so far
silk widget
Edwin was bewitched by Mortas to kill Thoran though.
charred flint
Was he?
gritty trail
I wonder if it was that type of scenario where the villian runs away from the hero (grezhul) but is met with the devil himself (mortas)
charred flint
oblique solstice
She and her brothers are bound by grudge, I doubt she'll be able to get over it
I hate bad endings
Like
In her victory animation, she seems satisfied while thst purple rose petals fall around her
Maybe she will feel again.... stabile
silk widget
Found some interesting cn lore about the long lost civilization that was mention in chapter 34 on the world map
People in this era were as powerful as the gods. Quaedam probably lived in this era
charred flint
Damn
crystal tapir
realizes that "Ya" is a letter
Huh, no wonder the ะฏ grew to hate the Lightbearers. That's like calling a species you create "the X". Shows about how much you cared about them when making them.
oblique solstice
Raine and Fawkes are bffs or a couple ?
And if they are just bffs, then Mirael could be with Fawkes?
wanton owl
Wth did I just read
charred flint
Raine and fawkes are bffs
trail kite
Yeah.. They're childhood buddy
oblique solstice
Oh nice
vale grove
Wow she's really cool! 
dark heath
@coral zodiac yeah my friend was playing overwatch and then I saw the design of him , I loved it
dark heath
I can't post it on in-game community , I wish I could so maybe I could get more feedbacks
Sorry for spamming in here
charred flint
A bit of feedback you might want to rethink making it a tank I saw her moves and she doesnt seem like a tank
I hope this doesnt seem like criticism to you just feedback
dark heath
Actually im agree with you , I think continues damage would be better
charred flint
Well if she was in game would you want her max ascension level to be legendary+ or ascended+ ?
If her max was legendary+ then continuous damage would be suitable but if her max was ascended+ then I would say do mage
charred flint
I have a small theory that pippa is descended from the ancestors of the durri back when wilders and maulers were all the ya bc the durri are a tribe of different rodents not just mice like people, and pippa is squirrel which are rodents so not all the rodent like people chose the path of the desert when some chose the path of peace
I have a few theories like this that are show connections with the Wilders and maulers dating back all the way to the ya
Such as Satranna who is a red fox like person now you dont normally get red foxes in the desert so maybe Satranna's ancestors chose the wrong path but adapted to hot climate
mossy parcel
dark heath
Hello !
Remember about my concept about a hero named juno
Here the design of salinja which mentioned in juno's lord
silk widget
Damn! So many creative players in here.
oblique solstice
So both, Mirael and Pipa studied at the lightbearer magic school, do we have more lore about that school ?
dark heath
No
Theyre a rare case
But still
Even in Esperia the education system fails us smh
charred flint
The Lightbearer magic academy is legit a hold up Mirael and Pippa were expelled and now there defeating demons and all that
dark heath
Mirael out there being a bounty hunter
Pippa back to the forest using her magic to help fight hypos
She aint great but she's trying her best
shy lantern
Raine and Fawkes are bffs or a couple ?
And if they are just bffs, then Mirael c...
Fawkes and Raine are best friends and i ship Raine x Mirael
and i hope that my boi Fawkes is gay
oblique solstice
Hope for not
oblique solstice
Ifk afk lore doesn't care about couples ( except the already existing ones ), so we, the players, can come with all our theories 
I am glad there are yet only straight couples
shy lantern
i think Thane and Baden woudl be a nice couple
oblique solstice
Weren't they family ?
I didn't understand at all
Like both were from Raine noble family, buuuuut they are called comrades
shy lantern
they were close friends on battlefield
charred flint
Baden is apart of the rayne family Thane isnt
charred flint
Thane was Estrilda's Sword teacher
charred flint
Baden is Estrilda's uncle
shy lantern
i need to get my glasses checked
trim shell
So both, Mirael and Pipa studied at the lightbearer magic school, do we have mor...
Iirc azmonath (the AE boss) used to be a student there, blanking on his old name but I want to say Percival for some reason, who got bullied and turned to evil magic shit.
charred flint
Damn the magic academy does not sound like a nice place tbh
oblique solstice
I don't know much about AE
Do you have a pic ?
I know they have old methods
Which is why Pipa, despite being genius, didn't integrate
Same for Mirael
trim shell
Of the academy? Unfortunately not, outside of the mirael's dream vow, which doesn't really count
charred flint
Poor pippa she was the only wilder who studied there and she was treated so differently to the Lightbearer students
oblique solstice
Wasn't AE abyssal expedition ?
I was curious how the boss looks
oblique solstice
Poor pippa she was the only wilder who studied there and she was treated so diff...
Um ? I remeber Wilders and Lbs had a great partenership and the best wilder student had the honor to study at the magic school, like there were several wilders idk
charred flint
Where did you read about that?
The wilders secluded themselves to the forests
Both Maulers and Lightbearers along time ago saw them as weaklings who fled from danger
oblique solstice
Idk, I maybe misread Pipa's storybook
But the school is mentioned only in Pipa's and Mirael's
crystal tapir
No, no, she was the only Wilder who was ever expelled, not the only Wilder who ever studied there.
crystal tapir
That said, she still definitely got a raw deal. She's clearly a special needs student.
The kind that, while capable, doesn't naturally fit into a school environment without help.
charred flint
Ah I just had a quick look in her lore, its says all the wilders who attend the academy are exchange students, my bad
Oh and it looks like it's one of the only who allow wilders
I can imagine The astral academy being a bit frowned upon by some esperians bc of the amount of troublesome students they have and some other Lightbearer magic schools may disagree with allowing wilders to attend it
crystal tapir
With that ability to memorize any spell that she sees, Pippa is probably the most powerful non-Celepogeanmensional hero lore-wise โ definitely at least in the top five โ but instead of taking a little extra effort to help her foster her talents, they dismissed her as a complete joke.
I don't think even Pippa herself is quite aware of just how powerful she is.
charred flint
And everyone says shes so weak shes litrally the only mage hero who has the ability to use multiple moves other mages can do
As of today I frown upon any Pippa hater
crystal tapir
I want her to stumble into Ainz somehow. Copying some of his spells would give her a huge upper hand.
I'd write a fanfic about it, but I'm not far enough into Overlord yet.
distant idol
With that ability to memorize any spell that she sees, Pippa is probably the mos...
id agree with the top five statement, just cuz lorewise ankhira is strongest imo
charred flint
Ankhira?
crystal tapir
Ankhira, a master of traps and killing people horribly, couldn't even catch Vurk breaking into her home.
charred flint
What lendri said was lore wise
distant idol
except dragons apparently
charred flint
Also her venom cant kill Graveborns or Celestials lorewise
Graveborns are already dead and celestials are immortal
distant idol
graveborns being unkillable is tbh a fact they pulled out of their ass
charred flint
They are killable
distant idol
it contradicts so much of lore and gameplay
distant idol
They are killable
yeah in mortas lore it says they are unkillable
crystal tapir
Not really, they've always been called immortal in so several places.
distant idol
yeah immortal not invincible
theyre not gonna die if you leave them alone
but if you literally explode them everywhere with holy light
howre they gonna survive
charred flint
yeah in mortas lore it says they are unkillable
It takes a Necromancers to bring back the dead and it can also take a necromancer to kill the dead or add least their body
crystal tapir
It came across to me as "even if you blast them into atoms, they'll still technically be alive, they just can't do anything".
distant idol
thats basically killing
crystal tapir
For the purpose of Mortas's deal, not really, if their spirit is still bound to Esperia.
In any other context, though, yes.
charred flint
Here me out ok, graveborns are dead people necromanced to life but they only bring their soul back to life the body remains a corpse sort of like a suit for the soul so with the power of necromanceing you could separate the corpse and the soul so the graveborn would have no physical to them
crystal tapir
Even then, I do think she'd be hard-pressed to come out on top because how many people can she poison at a time?
charred flint
The only way to kill a graveborn is to separate the soul from the body they wont rlly be dead but without any physical side they cant harm at all
Any graveborn you see is litrally a soul controlling a corpse
distant idol
Even then, I do think she'd be hard-pressed to come out on top because how many ...
i mean are we assuming that theyre just like
all fighting eachother at once?
distant idol
The only way to kill a graveborn is to separate the soul from the body they wont...
any person you see is also a soul controlling a shell of flesh
charred flint
If that's how you want to see it
crystal tapir
I'm saying there's heroes perfectly capable of dealing with multiple opponents.
In terms of only 1-on-1 combat specifically, she'd probably be pretty unstoppable.
distant idol
huahhh i wish there was a better way to gauge magic power
crystal tapir
VEGETA, WHAT DOES THE SCOUTER SAY ABOUT HER POWER LEVEL
distant idol
it would still be pippa but like
whos spells would enable her to tske the top
prob safiya
charred flint
I find the arachin culture quite interesting strictly how they decide who is more powerful by judging how red there pincers are the more red the stronger the venom is
crystal tapir
Too bad their physical designs are the laziest in the game.
distant idol
lmao
i wonder if theres more than one type of arachnid in the arachins?
like maybe scorpions
charred flint
I dont think so
distant idol
sugar daddy long legs, the treasures of the tribe
treasurers*
ankhira does have her hair tied into like a scorpion tail
anyways gonna go bake gingerbread byeeeee
charred flint
I dont rlly see how her hair looks like a scorpion tail tbh
crystal tapir
In terms of being unkillable, my Graveborn OC is horrified about the possibility/inevitability of her body eventually being destroyed but still being unable to rest.
...with the irony being that she willingly allowed herself to be cursed in the first place because she was afraid to die.
Basically her character's motivation is trying to find some way to be able to avoid the fate-worse-than-death that the "they can't be killed" statement implies.
charred flint
Is she on the run from necromancer or somethin
crystal tapir
Kind of, yeah.
Her curse was to automatically turn her into a Graveborn at the moment of her death in exchange for being bound in service to the caster afterwards. And it didn't take too long for her to die after that; she was a Durri (thus, her constant state of panic), and Maulers probably wouldn't look too kindly on one of their own trying to weasel their way out of the risk of dying and, because of that, would likely have as harsh of an attitude towards necromancy as Lightbearers do if not harsher.
She has her free will for now because she got her hands on the artifact used to cast it on her in the first place (like a rogue robot who makes off with the remote control that has their "off" button). But that'll change if the necromancer catches up with her and takes it back. And since the necromancer himself is a Graveborn as well now, it's going to be a long, long time before that chase ends.
lament meadow
As of today I frown upon any Pippa hater
chad opinion
crystal tapir
There. Her playstyle should be a little more balanced and coherent now.
hasty ingot
is it a rule that female maulers need to be women with a few animalistic traits and the males are full beastmen
trim shell
not a rule, per se, Lilith just can't make a non-sexualized female character (with like 2 exceptions).
It's one thing that I hope they change with the next mauler.
hasty ingot
well, they seem to be able to do it with wilders, if pippa and nemora are any indication
hasty ingot
what was the last one to come out, drez?
trim shell
drez, anoki, skriath were the last 3.
hasty ingot
ahh
crystal tapir
is it a rule that female maulers need to be women with a few animalistic traits ...
That's a trope I absolutely despise. And it shows up freaking everywhere. To quote someone I can't remember: "We want monster girls, not monster girls!"
dark heath
It doesnt seem to be a problem in wilders though. We have lyca and kaz, but we also have Lorsan and Eironn
Isnt Numisu kind of human? In his lore he was described as a boy when talking about his childhood, and his body also looks like a human
sterile marsh
That's a trope I absolutely despise. And it shows up freaking *everywhere.* To q...
Nice
hasty ingot
yeah we have handsome bois in the wilders that aren't full beasts
crystal tapir
Part of why I made my OC up there part of an existing tribe was because it would just be really weird if females of a already-known-to-be-animalistic tribe got that treatment.
If all Mauler girls were like the playable ones, that would raise questions with the Durri in particular because obvious size difference.
hasty ingot
i imagine durris would get the yordle treatment
the girls are cute gremlin things and the boys are fuzzy rats
dark heath
crystal tapir
It would also make the double standard painfully transparent.
With the existing humanoid Maulers, since there's no playable males from their respective tribes, they can still use the excuse of "oh, that's just what Satrana/Anhkira/Antandara/etc.'s tribe looks like in general".
spice mulch
This
sterile marsh
Perfectly describes it. In general at least.
dark heath
Again
Youre forgetting about Numisu
Numisu's torso and arms are human
Numisu was described as a boy
In his childhood in the lore
Isnt Saveas another humanoid mauler?
His head is a goat but his body is upright like a human
He has no trouble standing on two legs and his back is straight too
crystal tapir
Saveas is a Satyr, according to the old version of the Dragon Hunters Union Story.
And... We have no idea what tribe Numisu belongs to.
@trim shell Sorry for pinging, but do you have some kind of special permission to ask Belinda about details, or do they take questions from anyone?
trim shell
You need to be VIP14 to talk to her.
crystal tapir
Oh. Yeowch. That is... way out of my budget.
trail kite
Can Eironn handle babies?
hasty ingot
the idea of reproduction does not occur to eironn
every day he thinks of sword and only sword
distant idol
that just means hes gay
trail kite
I mean... Is he friendly with babies?
distant idol
ohhh
broken citrus
He is most likely disinterested for the most part but if he HAS to look after one, he'd put effort in to it. He wouldn't go willingly offer to.
broken citrus
"Children and babies take a lot of time and investment where I could be training and perfecting my swordsmanship."
broken citrus
"More over, there others more suitable to the task in this forest. Kindly look elsewhere."
distant idol
eironn would produce a dual wielding 4 year old
broken citrus
Babysitting is not the least bit close to combat or self-perfection. Unless I dunno, you want Eironn to go Star Wars Jedi Kiddo Massacre mode.
trail kite
I have fankid ocs
Two of them are toddlers
And very weird too since their parents are two male characters
Dual wielding dads and their toddler
trail kite
Three of them are Eironn's kids
And the middle one definitely follow Eironn swordman career
Even she is a gremlin in disguise
spice mulch
I really hope we get Edwin as a hero soon
Hopefully we'll get a union with him and Mortas, who knows
Or even Theowyn
New meta shift in Twisted Realm makes us use both Grezhul and Mortas,I wonder if Edwin would also fit in
coral zodiac
Grezhul will go to kill Edwin
charred flint
And... We have no idea what tribe Numisu belongs to.
Hes one of the temple elders
silk widget
Numisu's physique makes me think he is just another Durri.
charred flint
Nah I dont think so bc his mask is worn flat on his face where a big snout should be if he was a durri
trail kite
I think Grezhul will kill the sh!t out of Edwin
charred flint
Why are people talking about grezhul killing Edwin?
fleet notch
I think itโs because he killed Thoran?
charred flint
Wasnt it Edwin who killed thoran? Or he died in the fight or something
fleet notch
Oh, I meant Edwin-
charred flint
I might of missed where it said grezhul killed him in theowyns lore
fleet notch
I think they want Grezhul to kill Edwin because Grezhul is very loyal to Thoran, so he would probably be mad at Edwin for killing Thoran.
charred flint
But edwin is already dead?
silk widget
He came back as a graveborn
fleet notch
I think theyโre more or so joking about how Grezhul would kill Edwin, I donโt think he would seriously kill Edwin, although I feel like they would not get along at all.
dark heath
Y'all are confused
Here is the sitch
Edwin was apparently manipulated by a hypo (perhaps mortas) to kill his brother, Thoran
And Thoran and Grehzul got backstabbed
Grehzul killed Edwin for Thoran
He resurrected Thoran
coral zodiac
(And Theowyn)
dark heath
And after being resurrected Thoran found out Edwin got resurrected too
So Thoran wanna kill Edwin himself this time
charred flint
Thank you for telling me
dark heath
Is there a reason why most female heroes have names that end with "a"? E.g : Antandra, Mehira, Belinda, Nemora, Isabella, Alna, Flora, Shemira, Pippa, Cecilia, Lyca, Athalia, Estrilda etc...
lament meadow
because the letter A tends to be at the end of a lot of feminine names irl, esp when making feminine variants of traditional male names
e.g. georgia for george or johanna for john
distant idol
antandra is just a small insect paired with a sun god
crystal tapir
antandra is just a small insect paired with a sun god
oblique solstice
So they captured fairies for these lamps?
Watch Tasi punching the heck out of the Barbarian Brutes
trim shell
damn
open scarab
how does ferael get spirit arrows idgi
silk widget
@open scarab cn/jp elaborates on this more clearly than en lore. The living ferael didnt care about love. The female necromancer that took ferael after he was seriously injured needed blood of a truly lover to refine her "necromatic blood ritual/formation", so she hypnotized him into believing he is her lover. Then after he woke up from coma, she slashed his throat and killed him. Ferael was resurrected and merged with an ancient soul summoned by the blood formation. He then killed the female necromancer, made her bone into accessory to wear around his waist. He hated her for killing him, so he was surrounded by evil spirits after becoming a necromancer
crystal tapir
So they captured fairies for these lamps?
That... reminds me of Neopets of all things.
I guess Balthazar was a Mauler this whole time.
queen girder
Wait there is lore to this game?
trim shell
yes.
vital schooner
oh there's a lot more going on than i know of
and i've only read like the stories
trim shell
Hmm
lament meadow
uhhh real quick bro you might have to change your username
nobodys gonna be able to ping you if they need to
trim shell
Ooh
oblique solstice
That... reminds me of Neopets of all things.
I guess Balthazar was a Mauler this...
Thanks for information
Tasi and the other fairies will put him on the masacre punch list
trail kite
Look like Ferael and Kelthur except... The next gen
kind olive
Cute
trail kite
They're from different parents
trail kite
any iceberg theory from afk
trim shell
iceberg theory?
trail kite
those in game lore are like..the tip of them
spice mulch
I want Saveas' brother in the game
trail kite
what below the iceberg
crystal tapir
I want Saveas' brother in the game
Does it mention him having one somewhere or are you just joking?
Serious question.
trim shell
he does have one, but unnamed.
spice mulch
It's in his lore
crystal tapir
Oh yeah. Forgot about that.
spice mulch
Saveas is the current leader of the Satyr clan
Something happened to his brother
That was on the previous union lore
crystal tapir
...I need to get my mind out of the gutter. I've seen a bunch of cute Vurk x Saveas sketches by someone else, so my first thought was Skreg x Saveas's Brother.
Even though I already crack-ship Skreg with Pippa
trail kite
What is in the bottom of AFK iceberg?
charred flint
What iceberg?
trail kite
Afk arena iceberg theory
charred flint
Hm I've never heard that theory
I just realised Numisu, Saveas,anoki, skriath, Khasos, Brutus, warek all bear the same buckle
This buckle
That's skriaths
Heres saveas
Anoki
Brutus
Khasos
Numisu
Warek
spice mulch
That's the mauler emblem
It represents their faction
Everyone has it
Except Drez
spice mulch
The 4 pointed star
sullen saddle
Anyone have an idea about Hypogean emblems or things like that?
Wilders have similar clothes
charred flint
Everyone has it
Ankhira doesnt, safiya doesnt, Satranna doesnt, Vurk Doesnt, Skreg doesnt, Antandra doesnt.
Golus doesn't
spice mulch
Forgot to mention
They have it in another way
Check Golus tattoos
Satrana has tattoos as well
Skreg has it on the iron jaw art
charred flint
Not on satrannas tattoos but on golus
spice mulch
It's just the circle with the opening at the bottom
trim shell
i see that circle, just that the belt buckles look a little different to the mauler faction emblem.
charred flint
I bet ankhira doesnt have it bc they dont answer to any chieftains
And Safiya is probably on alot of people bad sides for betraying her tribe and joining the arachin
spice mulch
Ankhira and Tidus don't have it
trim shell
antandra has it on her shield.
charred flint
Oh ye I've just seen
trim shell
the symbol is a little different from the belt buckle, which is a little weird/confusing, but w/e.
spice mulch
Safiya has it
spice mulch
This is Skreg's
Drez has it on his chest
A bit covered by his cape
Ankhira's symbol is on her dress thing
It's really long
charred flint
This information is actually really useful bc now I can add the symbol on my mauler oc
crystal tapir
And here I thought the Mauler emblem was a light bulb...
trail kite
It's like a symbol of might
crystal tapir
ฮฉ
trail kite
Wilder characters clothes...primarily are green more than others color
Green is like nature color
Green is their main color then white or blue or greenish blue
Graveborn: mainly Gray tone and Green or Blue
Or dull red
Some have skull symbol on it, resemble to death
charred flint
I think graveborns clothing it just like that bc it's old and worn out
trail kite
Yeah
Decayed color
Also torn
Mauler: they use warm and hot colors to resemble them
charred flint
For wilders I think it might be to blend in with there surroundings maybe but also they might dye their clothes from different plant chlorophyll or something or maybe that's what that used to do in older times modern Wilders are more welcome to human markets and shops
trail kite
Lightbearer: Warm yellow (look like the light), white and dark blue... Except some characters
Also Wilder are more nature so their stuff are like pure nature made too
charred flint
Like I said modern wilders are more welcome to human markets to get certain dyes or cloth etc.
trail kite
Especially fabric, nature color can be sold in the market
They can live easily with Lightbearer and teach some of their techniques
Also... Do you remember the "Other man's trash" bounty quest
charred flint
Ye
trail kite
The quest that... Said
Some stuff that human throw away or no longer use it....
Maybe it's useful for others, like Graveborn
charred flint
trail kite
Lore is like that
coral zodiac
In the Bounty board, right?
fallen trellis
Bounty board says many things
trim shell
i need to write down all the bounty board stuff at some point.
charred flint
Lendri can I ask a question
crystal tapir
?
charred flint
Does your mauler oc bear the mauler mark on them even though they are now a graveborn?
crystal tapir
I was thinking about how to incorporate that, actually.
Wherever she wears it, she probably altered it somehow. (e.g. painting eyes in the center to make it loosely resemble a skull)
charred flint
Maybe a rusty broken belt?
crystal tapir
Yeah, maybe. I'll experiment with a few sketches trying different ideas.
Also, @ the bounty board: I like to imagine what some combinations of heroes are like on certain missions.
...I always make it a point to send Vurk on "Hungry Beast".
<("Dura's ghost, Skreg! You're making me pick up pet food for you AGAIN?")
charred flint
alpine whale
She broke it
only thing I see here is boobies
wheat widget
only thing I see here is boobies
First thing I saw, too.
bright mirage
hm, considering khazard was/is a guardian of the ocean and sea
how did he become this frozen being
trim shell
Gouldos corrupted him
Gouldos being this ancient hypogean entity who lives in this big hole and once destroyed an entire civilization, where ch34 is
charred flint
Makes sense you know like water to ice
tawny gust
yeah
aaldir, udea, zateus, elo, winas
they made the class specific artis and udea is khazardโs predecessor
tawny gust
yw
bright mirage
crystal tapir
Has Khazard actually done anything evil besides becoming a Hypogean?
I mean, I don't know if this has changed, but at one point he was even concerned about you at the Oak Inn.
fallen trellis
The hungry octopus
dense rune
At this point I've got to ask, why in the Desperation cinematic Zaphrael has a soft quiet voice while in the game he sounds like an angry orc? ๐
Is there a lore explanation to this?
trim shell
uh
no?
people sound different when they're feeling different emotions?
and so if he's angry he'll sound different from if he's feeling like he needs to handle a situation with more tact, or if he feels regretful.
dense rune
Idk, he sounds like a totally different character
Considering he's a god I guess changing voices isn't that difficult for him
trim shell
IDK, haven't checked to see if they hired a different VA for the short.
dense rune
They either did or they put his voice through some heavy filters
I think he sounded way better in the cinematic
charred flint
The voice actors who voices in desperation are different to the in game voice actors I noticed this when I realised lucretia sounds American in game but sounds British in desperation
dense rune
I see, that's pretty interesting
Still, her voice is closer to the cinematic than Zaphrael's
charred flint
He only says like a few lines in it, plus lucretia was in front of him why would he have to below like thunder
dense rune
I was left with the impression that he was the silent guy who does his job very well. Not someone who announces he's coming with his thunderous voice like Thor
But I guess in the cinematic he was too surprised by his wife turning into a Hypogean to say anything
crystal tapir
AI Dungeon insisted on having Pippa's mom show up, so, uh... Quick sloppy sketch.
dark heath
Does Dolly have a mother?
trim shell
She does, probably, but we don't know anything about her
livid wraith
trim shell
Iirc QUEEN is 17
dark heath
Queen is a babe
dense rune
Why does Joker have this super cool animation when he ults while Queen doesn't? Is she a lesser character or something?
I don't know anything about Persona
civic geyser
Joker is the main character I think
dense rune
that explains it
dark heath
Ayyy
That reminds me
@woven fulcrum do you have a free spot on your friends list man
woven fulcrum
Youโre a cool dude so i just wanted to have you on my FL
dark heath
sweet added
woven fulcrum
Niceee
clever mulch
charred flint
Tbh, the main character of afk arena universe is Hogan
What makes you think that?
civic geyser
hm, the intro of the story focuses on him and Ulric retaking Rainhorn
then several of the peaks of time focus on him and his deeds travelling through Esperia
And sometimes voyages of wonder have him along, like the bridge of souls where he accompanies Morvus
then of course, they and Angelo are the first union you see in the Library.
I wouldn't say there is a true main character though, just that Hogan is more of a basis for what the world of Esperia is like especially since his character is a more simple fantasy knight with a beard
since as the game progresses, more prominent characters gain their own stories: Lyca and Kaz, Grehzul, Vedan and his adopted killers
I imagine it to be like Game of Thrones where many people get different stories that indirectly collide until the climax
and where the main characters get replaced by other characters
it's a big world where no few characters fully dominate the spotlight and all the stories are hidden behind lore and item descriptions
thanks for coming to my SKREG Talk
uneven root
wait, hang on. I'm reading lore. Golus, that centaur guy, is the person who killed wareks dad, from what it sounds like.
silk widget
According to jp/cn lore, warek's brother was the chieftain of the bear clan and was killed by Golus
charred flint
They have a leaf as their emblem but I'm not sure if they were it imma check
charred flint
Each faction has it's own emblem some of them wear them emblem such as the maulers and lightbearers
Here is the mauler emblem that every mauler wears this one is on brutus
civic geyser
oh right, those
Wilders do have emblems but it isn't as prominent
Nemora has the Wilder emblem on her hindside though
charred flint
Also here is the Lightbearer emblem on rosaline
civic geyser
Lightbearer emblems are on almost every LB hero
charred flint
Some heroes wear the emblem in very different ways such as satranna who has it on her tattoos or ankhira which is on her dress
civic geyser
also, the graveborne emblem
it's not exactly an emblem but there are representations of it
charred flint
Not all graveborns wear it I think bc they're not really all United at all they're just dead people doing there own things apart from the kingdom of bantus that is
civic geyser
pretty much, so the eye is more like a symbolic thing
actually no, you can see the eye on some bits of heroes
Im looking at the hero portraits now
but as you said, a lot of others dont wear them
Meanwhile all the celestials are wearing their emblem
charred flint
I just realise on Lyca's chest it has markings of the wilder emblem
Those gold lines
civic geyser
ooh yes, but they're not as visible at first
and the Hypogeans dont have a proper emblem
out of all the heroes, they have the most diverse bodies and dont share any commonalities aside from color
also
Lore-wise, Mezoth is one that affects the story the least
Zolrath is meant to fight Orthros at the end of time
Lucretia and Zaphrael have fought in the first war once and will fight again
Mortas meddles in the affairs of man and created a lot of graveborne
Ezizh is actively trying to fight the Wilders, specifically Tasi becuase nightmares vs dreams
Khazard was the old ocean guardian something and is now replaced by Seirus
Mehira, idk but she wants to become more proactive
Mezoth is just vibing, he just wants to eat
oblique solstice
Mezoth hungry
civic geyser
hungerrr
civic geyser
Ezizh was desperate enough to enter physical form just to create more nightmares because of her
oblique solstice
And she did the same
Became a Wilder fairy
But I don't know if she does what other wilders do
civic geyser
it must be embarrassing, being an eldritch beast of nightmares and losing to a fairy
civic geyser
well she does hang around with wilders more and affiliates with them
oblique solstice
it must be embarrassing, being an eldritch beast of nightmares and losing to a f...
Powerful fairy
But if I remeber Seirus is also honorific wilder
Like he vibes with them
He considers himself wilder and so do the others
civic geyser
also, what I said a while ago about the Unhinged boss being a result of Ezizh attacking Arden
oblique solstice
Um ?