noot noot motha f*cka
#afk-lore
plain jolt
distant idol
its unlikely because the maulers are a very specific desert
icy hatch
Please, it would make so much more sense to have a furry in a super cold environments than hot
trim shell
I finally decided to read through Lilith's FB for some lore and one thing I noticed is that there are snake people.
distant idol
they migrated there specifically after leaving the ya
trim shell
And they do poison stuff and I want one.
distant idol
so while a frosty mauler would be cool
it p much wouldnt happen
frosty wilder tho
could
plain jolt
Guys, guys i have a solution: New faction. The "Iceborne" xD
distant idol
a reanimated snowman
plain jolt
that way you can have ice maulers, spirits, people, etc
gritty trail
Guys, guys i have a solution: New faction. The "Iceborne" xD
the khazard fanclub :3
plain jolt
Penguins and Polarbears and Yukionna and NARWHALS
warm falcon
Frosterminator
plain jolt
~~the khazard fanclub :3~~
He would be so conflicted poor thing
Welp time for everyone to make frost OC's and make a Discord lore faction cult xD
icy hatch
Lmao count me in
wooden bluff
May I offer a wolf lady I made a while ago based just on that? 
trim shell
👀
distant idol
y es
vale grove
May I offer a wolf lady I made a while ago based just on that? <:tiduslaugh:7530...
DON'T ASK
D O I T
wooden bluff
This one here
trim shell
SHES SO PRETTY
distant idol
~€€~€~€`
wooden bluff
Also found the short lore I wrote up
trim shell
i VAGUELY REMEMBER SEEING HER AND THE SECOND TIME IS JUST AS GOOD AS THE FIRST
wooden bluff
listen mauler ladies deserve full anthro designs too, let them be fucking feral
trim shell
Yes please,,,,
distant idol
sad that pippa is the least anthro girl in the game
trim shell
Can we get a snake girl?
Like one of the "Sapera" or w/e theyre called.
The maulers with the poison.
wooden bluff
Llamia or like
Full snake lass
Sapera is rather the act of snake whispering afaik :v
trim shell
Full snake lady please.
Sapera is the name that Lilith gave them I think? Or maybe theyre people who control snakes idk
But still snake girl please lilith
The extent of my knowledge of the FB lore is one binge I did once at 3AM so its not very reliable
wooden bluff
Ok but. Snake lady cobra: badass, could hiss at you and you'd ask her if she could kill you, is actually a sweetheart
Snake lady Ball Python: looks like an absolute doofus, very boopable snoot, will crush your bones if you try
trim shell
I wanna have a strong snake gf who would squeeze me tight but also like not too tight.
plain jolt
I want a feral faced mauler lass, mmhmm
plain jolt
Wolf warrior princess pls
quasi helm
Ngl
trim shell
@plain jolt yesssss
wooden bluff
Maybe I should draw the wolf lady more often as well
wooden bluff
Atm I'm still trying to tinish all the october prompts and comms, but maybe I'll doodle a bit in between hajsjajdhsjdh
plain jolt
Robin: “Wolf girl?” tail wagging furiously “I uh, don’t care!” crosses arms, blush, pout, tail betrayal
wooden bluff
ngl she's character wise based in one of my dnd girls and that girl could and would smash a watermelon with her thighs in front of someone after labeling it 'your head' if they talk shit about women
plain jolt
Robin: looks to all the watermelon bits “You gunna eat that?”
plain jolt
Awww poor Robin is too dumb to understand sexism
Robin: “That Wolf girl looks strong, I wanna fight her!”
Rando: “you brute, you can’t hit a girl!”
Robin: “Why not? She looks super strong, bet I can beat her in a fight though!”
Rando: looks visibly appalled
Robin: “WHAT?!”
lament meadow
equal opportunity ass kicking
plain jolt
Robin: being hauled off to social rule breaker prison “WHAT. DID. I. DOOOoooooooo?!”
wooden bluff
Oh look Atrea would 100% be down for an ass kicking and if someone comes with the 'can't hit a girl' speech she'd just turn the tables by going "oh, so you think because I'm a woman I'd automatically be weaker and lose, huh?"
vocal portal
OMG yes
worthy pond
fuvk
dark heath
Ayy guys there gonna be a new hypo HEROOO soon can't wait for the lore
plain jolt
Atrea will have to rescue Robin from jail first. Then they can have their epic battle.
kind olive
She thirsting for le blood 
wooden bluff
Cecilia be like 'no running on the hallway OR ELSE'
lament meadow
no running in my lobby
dusk light
with the announcement of the new hypo hero, i just think the hypogean army is just full of anti-establishment souls that were born into middle class and below
vocal portal
i mean, you're not wrong
dusk light
and was treated harshly because they dont contribute to society
now some of them are fueled by misanthropic revenge and chaos
its like Celestials are Order and Hypogeaon is Chaos
Pros of Order: everything neat and tidy and good and no stress
Cons of Order: uptight and restrictive
Pros of Chaos: You can do anything freely
Cons of Order: End of the world
vapid musk
New Hypo just stole my kokoro
I like chaos boys that can trick even with demons
half thunder
trail kite
plain jolt
Ohhhhh I love them 😍 I SEE ELFS AND BUNS!
wooden bluff
aaaaah what absolutely good children qwq
charred flint
Are all dimensional heroes people from the real world in the game, I just finished reading Ainz's story and it says he was a gamer who was put into the game and became his avatar is that the same for the other dimensional heroes
floral fulcrum
Ainz's lore is based on his story in the manga.
lusty night
^ Ainz was originally a human. He's not an original AFK Arena hero. look up Overlord Manga/Anime
lusty night
sorry ;P
dusk light
Just a lil idea, what if after winning a battle and if Daimon and Shem is on the same team, their winning animation changes to Daimon going into Shem's arms and hugging
half basin
that would be cute
coral zodiac
Mortas: Careful...careful...car-...
[sound of hypogean falling down the stairs]
Mehira: What the hell was that?!!??!?!
Mortas: I'm ok!!
Mehira: Did you-?!? JUST USE YOUR DAMN WINGS
Mortas: [pain sound]
Zolrath: I'm going to put him in a loop until he learns how to use them
Mehira: looks at Zolrath with a bruh face
Khazard: Do you really think he will learn?
Mezoth: In that case...Can I eat them? 👉👈
Lucretia: No
Mezoth: Damn, I was close this time...
Ezith with crossed fingers saying to himself: Please wake up, please wake up, please wake up, this is a bad nightmare just that, you'll wake up and all will be well And nothing will have happened
dusk rapids
when popcorn emoji coming
slate island
@trim shell we have a pinpoint for height btw
trim shell
We do?
trim shell
Hmmm.
slate island
5'10
prob
I just realized when watching replay
that Ezio prob has a confirmed height
gritty trail
Ezio's height is 6'0
vale grove
saves this information as a treasure
icy hatch
I don’t know why I always Hc him as like a tiny little butler man and then I see shit like this
distant idol
ainz and albedo also have confirmed(ish) heights
in the anime theyre taller than theyre described as in the novels
light novel ainz is 177cm and light novel albedo is 170cm
would it be possible for one of yall to maybe get a comparison on that cuz idk how
cuz then if that scale lines up we can actually determine heights instead of just using ezio as reference cuz that may not be fully accurate
silk widget
Do we know the identity of the hypogean in Mortas lore?
trim shell
Afaik no.
lament meadow
lmao
trim shell
I'm 5'10.
dusk rapids
wow
trim shell
Wow?
dusk rapids
wow for you people who figure out heights
trim shell
I see.
dusk rapids
yes
distant idol
tbh i really doubt that sprite heights are accurate cuz ulmus is
literally a tree
and is like slightly taller than brutus
tawny gust
nakoruru is 5’1 and ukyo is 5’9
mossy parcel
Ha, shes short
distant idol
lilith pls just give us character heights aaaa
mossy parcel
^^^
trim shell
^^^^^^^^^^^
gritty trail
tbh like, ulmus is probably either gigantic or the size of just a regular tree
Because the achievement for getting his 5 star union is either showing Tasi is super small or Ulmus is big boy
distant idol
yknow what imma suggest that they give us character heights cuz
i n e e d them
eh
nahh
im not a good persuasive writer
trim shell
U know who we need as the next Mauler?
One of the Sapera ppl or w/e they're called.
My personal HC is that they are also snake people even though there isn't any reason for that beyond the fact that they control snakes, but I want a snake person.
wooden bluff
Today I offer a mount I originally designed for a LB hero of mine, but then it kinda became more of a duo unit deal so
Here is a good boy(?) belonging to Zarashk
(Lines were done by another artist tho)
wooden bluff
He fetches flasks and is the one actually attacking bc Zarashk only goes for full support
His defeat animation would be the boi fetching him and running off instead of 'dying'
wooden bluff
He does like snoot pets a lot 😔
distant idol
hes so cuuute
wooden bluff
Thank,, I'm lov he;
the first draft was a more natural color variant but then brain said 'make him shimmery' to which logical brain responded 'no survival chance in the wild' so basically Zarashk found him in one of the marshes, picked him up and just went 'my baby now'
He was very bitey and snappy at first, but eventually calmed down with the right persuasion (food)
distant idol
i mean like even if he shimmer
if he live in marsh
he has mud for camouflage
assuming theres others of his shimmery kind
there be mud and tall plant
wooden bluff
True too, but he's more ambush-hiding underwater and that sometimes is a bit too clear if it's drinking water to get a good ambush
He's just a weird croc that accidentally got adopted, but he's fine with it bc his strange two-legged friend is nice too
dusk light
can i share some concepts for heroes here or somewhere else?
lament meadow
sure! thats what this place is for
dusk light
oh cool. So far I have two Lightbearer hero concepts
Mrs. Bethsworth, The Diligent Chef (Intelligence)
From an early age, Bethsworth loved to cook, making savories and sweets all from scratch. She used to live in the slums until the kingdom took notice of her delicious cooking and was appointed head chef at House Rayne. In battle, she uses her kitchen cutlery and delicious dishes to deal damage and her serious, no-nonsense presence buffs allies and debuffs foes with her signature stare of disapproval.
Jertrude, The Royal Wolf (Agility)
Jertrude was the fearsome, ruthless, and loyal guard wolf of House Lanward. He was used for hunting meat with a pack of other dogs, guarding the yards from intruders, and even showed prowess of battle during wars, dodging arrows and swords alike while mauling down whoever wanted to destroy the kingdom. But after an attack by a ruthless Graveborn mage, Jertrude was struck by a spell that would turn the wolf against his allies, causing Jertrude to turn into a large Werewolf. But his loyalty was no match against the spell’s mind-altering effects, and thus turned on the mage, forcing them to escape. In battle, Jertrude claws and bites his way through enemies, and transforms into a large werewolf to deal more damage. He will never turn on his own allies.
lament meadow
these are both delightful hero concepts
the stern matronly glad ult is just -chefs kiss-
dusk light
Kinda got inspiration from Mrs. Crocombe from the English Heritage channel on youtube. You should check her out
dusk light
It either some Wilder mage who has control over snow and ice, or another Graveborn who was wrongly accused and executed or got the short end of the stick in social status and hates rich people....and got executed
dark heath
Ok
trim shell
The Frozen Mother refers to the goddess of winter, Alna or w/e her name is.
dark heath
From that first picture and quote from Dolly I think she’s talking about winter Shemira
Oh
trim shell
I think there was something from one of the winter events about it.
Yeah from the "Midwinter Festivities" event.
dusk light
hmm perhaps an ice celestial?
trim shell
Eh, maybe?
I think it could just be a reference to a goddess who we won't see as a playable character.
dusk light
sadaf
desert whale
woah that was a good union story
brittle sparrow
when is the next evvent
split pecan
Whelp
I was right about the union
Still, a very nice story to cap off their quarrel during the war
For anyone curious, I had written what I thought could have been a union story between Zaphrael and Lucretia, depicting in detail the fateful moment where the latter surrenders to the Twin Terrors:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1YmhMhrjRCiDbhNC53rvVrnEC2lj98Aj0j-xTBSFG2vI/edit?usp=sharing
dusk light
What if Zaphrael used his feelings and never killed Owain?
trim shell
He didn't really have an option to not kill owain, that's not necessarily what he did wrong. What he did do is abandon his wife and unborn child.
dusk light
sigh when will everything to well
dark heath
According to my Minecraft references obsidian cobble
silk wraith
Wait, prince Edwin's son was turned a graveborn? But I thought mortas only bewitched him
Also wait, this unnamed hypogean completely gave up his powers to mortas in the deal? I thought he would only receive a portion of the power, not all of it.
simple vine
No one gave up all their power?
The hypogean just offered mortas power, not transfered all power to mortas
the deal was mortas got power, revenged everyone, then got soul snatched by that hypogean
but mortas found a loophole in the deal and made use of it, which made him eternally a hypogean
silk widget
Why is the lore for some characters so different in english vs chinese/japanese?
It gave me headache lol
trim shell
I mean the English lore can't even stay consistent all the time (unfortunately).
silk widget
I was using auto translator to read the estrildas lore in chinese/japanese to find out whether baden is her father or uncle
But in chinese, it said estrilda's father died when she turned 10 years old
Whereas, in english it said her father died years ago
trim shell
Those don't necessarily contradict each other.
silk widget
How so?
trim shell
Oh yeah I see now what you mean.
I think it's just either a translation error or some of the details were changed between each language for some reason.
IIRC Lilith did confirm that Baden is her uncle tho.
trim shell
I'm pretty sure they did in the quiz thingy they did for the popularity contest.
(Although tbh the quiz did have some questions with answers that were inconsistent with the rest of the lore).
distant idol
also lilith confirmed that eng lore is the official canon lore
trim shell
Also true.
silk widget
I'm just baffled at the big difference between the eng and cn lores 😫
Antandra and satrana lores for example
distant idol
so even if theres differences in other languages, while its interesting, eng is the final canon
also yeah antandra and satrana cn lores are sooo cute
trim shell
What's the CN lore for those two?
distant idol
antandra is placed as more of a maternal character
and is taking care of satrana while shes sick
trim shell
Awwwww.
distant idol
they let satrana stay for a while and antandra gets exiled way later
if i remember correctly
i might not
silk widget
@trim shell in cn version, antandra duel with a military officer who wanted to take satrana back as a slave. She was then expelled from the temple cuz of that and asked numisu to take care of satrana
silk widget
Numisu's lore is also different in cn vs eng
distant idol
beep dragon was the absolute highlight of different lore languages
even tho it was a translation error
i cried when they changed it
vale grove
distant idol
coral zodiac
wooden bluff
trim shell
lament meadow
distant idol
tbh i kinda wanna translate more lores but
last time my phone was just full of like a hundred screenshots and it was just a pain to clear
simple vine
i've been hearing different things from cn and jp lores compared to eng
like especially brutus and khasos union lore
At least Brutus was more of someone like "fighting should be an honor and the chieftain is a moron" which makes it sounds like he cares for Khas 
I mean they said eng lore is canon, but other lores seem to be more completed?
distant idol
yeah other lores are interesting
tbh i think the eng lore is canon rule applies mostly to like contradictions
if eng lore contradicts cn lore the eng lore takes priority
but i agree with the extra tidbits of information you can get from other language lores that just aren't mentioned in eng
like that brutus thing
tame ravine
ancient ruin
I want baden and thane lore
distant idol
ngl that luc video just makes me hate zaph even more
i was sad his arm didnt get chopped off completely
BUT
CELESTIAL BLOOD
its gold
and i think that maaaayybe its what sets apart celestials from mortals
esp the ones that were humans/clocks before becoming celestial
athalia,talene,zaph,orthros, and maybe wukong
and its the same color as duras tears as well
duras tears are already known to be powerful
so maybe duras tears are just celestial blood
placid mirage
Omg the video was completely biased
trim shell
Was it?
placid mirage
Where was the beginning of the story ? The same evil that took the kid killed her family and her village and she went and joined them
Wasn’t it ?
Zaph killed the kid when he turned purple ( meaning it was no longer owain in there it was the evil hypogean spirit )
The video made it like zaph came and killed his kid and bounced like my job’s done here see ya chumps
trim shell
I mean there were other videos before that give more context, or you could just read the lore?
But also that is essentially what happened.
He did just come, then kill his kid and try to leave.
placid mirage
Yes if you read the lore then you know that zaph was right and whatsherface is an evil dumb dumb
trim shell
That's not true though?
He abandoned her and never checked in on her, or had a subordinate make sure she was ok, or did anything to ensure her safety.
placid mirage
You read the lore yes ?
trim shell
Yes I did.
trim shell
Just because he became a god doesn't mean that he can't do anything to keep her safe.
And why reference Greek mythology?
placid mirage
How can you put the well-being of one person over humanity’s
trim shell
That's not what he would be doing thought.
placid mirage
Lucretia is just a human weak and powerless
trim shell
It doesn't take that much effort to have some subordinate watch over Lucretia, make sure she's okay.
or even just check in from time to time, see how she was doing.
He didn't even know she had a kid.
placid mirage
That’s just silly seriously
trim shell
How?
placid mirage
You’ve never had exam period or a really busy time at work and forgot to call your family for a whole 2 weeks ?
placid mirage
When you have a mission like his silliness like your “wife” is secondary
trim shell
He didn't do anything.
placid mirage
He’s not just a stupid boy toy calling Lucretia hey you up wyd
Dude is a god man wtf
He did plenty
trim shell
No offense but I'm pretty sure you are heavily biased here.
placid mirage
He saved so many people from the evil hypogeans
trim shell
He literally got married to her and had a child, and didn't take responsibility at all for either of them.
placid mirage
I’m not biased I’m simply saying zaph is a god and Lucretia is a human
trim shell
it doesn't take nearly as much effort as you are making it seem like.
he didn't even do the bare minimum.
trim shell
He saved so many people from the evil hypogeans
And?
placid mirage
Different lives and different goals
trim shell
Look, Casper.
Fighting the Hypogeans and doing the bare minimum to keep an eye on your child are not mutually exclusive.
If you can't understand that then this convo isn't gonna go anywhere.
placid mirage
No what you don’t understand is zaph grew in the convent
He wasnt raised around his mum and dad coming back from work and asking hey honey how was your day
His life was wake up and be godly
No feelings just the mission
He married her just not to embarrass her in front of the other soldiers
trim shell
Casper, you keep on making it seem that he literally cannot do anything besides fight hypogeans.
placid mirage
Totally different psychologies
trim shell
I'm talking about the bare minimum here.
distant idol
No feelings just the mission
yeah so he sucks
literally just abandons his wife and kids
only married luc cuz hes gay
trim shell
His life was wake up and be godly
For starters, Lucretia never expected for or asked for more than this.
placid mirage
Kid singular and he wasn’t aware of the kid’s existence
trim shell
My point is that he should be held responsible for not doing anything at all to check in on his family for many years.
distant idol
yeah literally just leaves them
trim shell
He essentially abandoned her, so we already know he's a deadbeat dad.
distant idol
luc has to deal with taking care of her kid
trim shell
And he doesn't even try to console her after killing Owain.
The only reason he expresses regret later is because Lucretia was now a threat.
distant idol
yeah hes just a shit person
trim shell
And an issue he had to take are of.
Before that, he was fine ignoring her, since "what was she going to do?"
placid mirage
He hesitated in the lore
That’s why the animation is biased
He stopped for a second when the evil spoke with owain’s voice to say daddy
distant idol
he hesitated in the animation
distant idol
he hesitated enough to show he doesnt care
cuz he doesnt care in the writing or in the animation
placid mirage
😂😂😂
distant idol
"youre not colorblind are you"
trim shell
Casper, for one i'd stop insulting people/being condescending, and 2 just because he hesitated for like a second doesn't mean that he actually regretted it.
It's clear that he never really cared until it actually threatened him.
placid mirage
This is pointless See ya 👻
distant idol
yeah ok
placid mirage
No it’s clear you didn’t even understand the story
trim shell
You wont be missed 
distant idol
we have different interpretations of the story
placid mirage
Did you just learn the word condescend and have to use it in every sentence or swim thing ?
distant idol
you cant respect other peoples opinions without looking down on them
girl what-
i used it twice lmao
trim shell
@distant idol I'd leave it, they clearly aren't going to listen to what you are saying at all.
trim shell
Fair.
placid mirage
Jours
Zaph was a deadbeat dad ( even tho he didn’t even know he had a son ) okay cool done
trim shell
The fact that he didn't know his son makes it even worse lol.
He's not dumb, he knows what happens when you have unprotected sex.
I hope.
placid mirage
Explain why Lucretia joined the side of the people who literally killed her mum, her dad’ her entire village, more people during the years she was a nurse and then kidnapped her child to use a sacrifice ?
She forgets all that because she was mad zaphrael didn’t call ?
trim shell
Explain why Lucretia joined the side of the people who literally killed her mum,...
Okay, sure.
placid mirage
Okay then
placid mirage
No guys you’re judging zaph as a human
distant idol
he is a human
placid mirage
All im trying to say is he’s not friggin human
distant idol
just cuz hes immortal
he was a human
but even before his ascension
he was just not a good person
placid mirage
He doesn’t lie I’m bed at night wondering oh man does Lucretia think about me too
placid mirage
Before his ascension he grew up in the convent ( like a robot )
distant idol
which is horrible
placid mirage
Wake up do chores that’s it
distant idol
girl what
placid mirage
Never had his mum hug him and tuck him in his bed at night
distant idol
that doesnt mean he isnt a person
trim shell
Lucretia had spent her entire life looking up to Zaphrael (and to Dura/celestials in general) after he saved her life. She had always understood that he wasn't going to be invested in their relationship, and she was ok with that, since she truly loved him. When he ascended, her son was the only thing she had left, and seeing the person she had loved take that away from her after promising to protect her destroyed her mentally. She was at the lowest point she had ever been in life, and the hypogean exploited that.
placid mirage
No that means that the kind of “love” that makes you human
He had no love growing up
He was just a soldier in training
distant idol
wh
trim shell
You can claim that you can no longer hold him to human standards, but that doesn't mean that A he was never human or B that he doesn't have any responsibility towards Lucretia.
distant idol
hes still a person
placid mirage
Like a revolver ... does a revolver have feelings ? No just aim and shoot
trim shell
Casper, the thing is that he is a person, we are judging his morality right now.
placid mirage
You used a great word
trim shell
if you say that he's like a robot, who only cares for fighting hypogeans and never takes care of the people around him, that doesn't really support your side of the argument.
trim shell
Is that her fault tho?
placid mirage
Yes in a moment of huge* distress
trim shell
I literally wrote an entire paragraph on why she isn't in the wrong.
placid mirage
Whose fault is it ?
distant idol
zaphs
trim shell
And you just took one line, ignored all the justification for it, and ran with it.
placid mirage
Zaph’s?
trim shell
Out of all the people, the hypogean and the cultists are most at fault.
However, if you need to choose someone to blame between Zaph and Lucretia, he's the worse one.
placid mirage
So because she chose the wrong person to marry and have feelings for even though he never showed them in return the whole fault’s zaph’s
Zaph is a an ass - cool
trim shell
So if Zaph is an ass doesn't that mean that he is the one in the wrong?
distant idol
he didnr because hes gay and didnt wanr anyone to know
trim shell
And therefore more to blame?
placid mirage
But Lucretia fell for the wrong person who never wanted her she just was slaving around him notice me notice me
Have some pride for the love of god
He could have rejected her yes I agree but didn’t
trim shell
But Lucretia fell for the wrong person who never wanted her she just was slaving...
For starters, she did that because of the trauma of seeing her family get killed in front of her.
placid mirage
Because he’s not strong => as I said he’s like a robot aim and shoot
trim shell
Zaph saved her life, in that moment he was really all she could look up to, and she was a child.
distant idol
hes not a robot
placid mirage
He was young too
distant idol
youre more of a robot ngl with how much youre repeating yourself
placid mirage
They were both young when they met no ?
trim shell
Casper, another thing is that you characterizing him as a robot isn't an argument in your favor right?
Being a robot, I am assuming, is not a good thing.
placid mirage
No being robot is neither good or bad
trim shell
It means you are morally deficient, you lack something fundamentally human.
distant idol
zaph only has feelings when it benefits casper
trim shell
And that's not good, believe it or not.
placid mirage
Can’t blame somebody for the conditions life threw at them
He didn’t chose to live in the convent he was just a kid
trim shell
I'm not saying he's to blame for his circumstances.
placid mirage
That’s like blaming poor people for being poor ... that’s just the hand they were given in life
distant idol
yeah but that isnt the entirety of them
trim shell
My point is that it is his fault for not at all taking responsibility for his family, or trying to do so in any way, and only really paying attention to Lucretia and apologizing to her once she is a threat to him.
distant idol
two people in the same circumstances can turn out wildly different
those poor people
placid mirage
Okay my point is that between the two mistakes I find Lucretia’s to be greater
trim shell
Okay my point is that between the two mistakes I find Lucretia’s to be greater
What mistake did she make though?
placid mirage
Why didn’t she try to reach zaph ?
distant idol
youre treating the convent like it was literally all of zaphs life and there was absolutely nothing else
oh yeah whats she supposed to do yell at the clouds to contact him?
trim shell
Zaphrael's choice to never contact Lucretia was not only a result of his upbringing and childhood.
even if he wasn't interested in Lucretia at all, he still has a moral responsibility to take care of his child.
Because lets be real, he definitely knew he had a kid.
placid mirage
A child he wasn’t even aware existed tho
distant idol
you said yourself
trim shell
Zaph definitely knew how baby-making worked.
distant idol
why didnt lucretia try to contact him
id lucretia couldnt reach him
it means he wasnt watching
placid mirage
It didn’t say anywhere in the lore he knew about the kid
trim shell
It didn’t say anywhere in the lore he knew about the kid
You can't only go off what is explicitly stated, sometimes you have to make inferences.
distant idol
if she tried to reach him and he didnt answer, no way he wouldve known about the kid
trim shell
Zaphrael definitely knew that having sex>>>having a kid.
placid mirage
Alright I understand your points
trim shell
He's not dumb.
distant idol
he fully conciously abandoned them
placid mirage
You still don’t understand what I’m saying
Maybe you have personal emotions in the mix
distant idol
many
placid mirage
But from the outside they both suck I just think he sucks more not because he’s better but because he’s worse
distant idol
i relate a bit too much to owain
trim shell
Casper I'm pretty sure I do understand what you are trying to say.
trim shell
my understanding of your central point, at least, is that you think he is a victim of his circumstances, upbringing, and childhood trauma.
trim shell
And that what happened with Lucretia was just unlucky/based on all the hardships they both went through.
placid mirage
There were worse stories
Ffs Zeus had Prometheus chained and left to be eaten alive for days
trim shell
Why are we talking about Greek mythology now?
placid mirage
Granted he was his adopted son and not biological but a father nonetheless
trim shell
None of the Greek gods are exactly shining beacons of morality.
distant idol
just cuz theres worse doesnt make zaph any better
trim shell
^
placid mirage
And Prometheus was immortal and Zeus knew his pain would never ever end
trim shell
And remember, we aren't talking about if someone is objectively bad or not.
We're talking about who's worse.
distant idol
zaph may be better relative to zeus but he still sucks
placid mirage
No it doesn’t make him better but in a way death is better than suffering ... I think ?
distant idol
lucreemade literally 1 mistake
trim shell
Casper I don't understand the point of this tangent.
distant idol
lucretia*
trim shell
It's completely irrelevant to the discussion.
distant idol
her mistake was falling in love with zaph
compared to zaphs
accepting her proposal
trim shell
We're talking about who's worse between the two, not who is objectively bad.
distant idol
abandoning his child and wife
killing his child later
dismissing his despairing wife
placid mirage
That’s technically wrong
trim shell
Casper, let me put it this way.
placid mirage
He killed the hypogean embodying his child’s body
distant idol
its still his kid
trim shell
All of the "mistakes" Lucretia made can be attributed to being a victim of her circumstances.
For Zaph, most of the bad things he did can also be attributed to his past.
distant idol
"my son had a tapeworm so i grabbed my shotgun and now the tapeworm is gone"
you still shot your son
trim shell
But abandoning his family and not once contacting them/checking in even though he was most likely aware he had a child?
That's 100% on him.
trim shell
Which is 100% his fault.
placid mirage
Lucretia literally became one with the people that killed her mum dad and her son
distant idol
out of trauma
placid mirage
Abandonment equals murder ?
trim shell
Lucretia literally became one with the people that killed her mum dad and her so...
Did you read the paragraph I wrote earlier about why it's not her fault?
At all?
trim shell
Lemme drop it here again for u:
Lucretia had spent her entire life looking up to Zaphrael (and to Dura/celestials in general) after he saved her life. She had always understood that he wasn't going to be invested in their relationship, and she was ok with that, since she truly loved him. When he ascended, her son was the only thing she had left, and seeing the person she had loved take that away from her after promising to protect her destroyed her mentally. She was at the lowest point she had ever been in life, and the hypogean exploited that.
GN claux!
placid mirage
Okay I understand why you’re saying what you’re saying so I’m not gonna go on any longer
lost lava
alright the new lore makes no sense
it states that hypogeans are no match for gods yet somehow none of the hypogeans has been defeated completely, dura died and the war is still going on
trail kite
Wish I could give Ferronn some content... Or find some shipper... And talk but... I didn't have time and i can't explain and no one like them
trim shell
alright the new lore makes no sense
Lilith has had their fair share of inconsistencies, doesn't surprise me too much.
trail kite
I look like have some negative feel now... Due to work
silk widget
Is Kane originally a human?
simple vine
Maybe it's because hypogean is stronger in quantity? And to make a hypogean you just need the bad side of humanity, while to make a god you need those who are much better and more devoted
distant idol
lmao what i said he was a clock
cuz he was
and talene wasnt human either she was a bird
trim shell
I think the statement "A demon is no match for a god" is kinda like, untrue.
Since we have Zolrath who can go toe to toe with Orthros who is arguably the strongest character in the lore.
distant idol
zolrath can just beat the shit out of orthros since he doesnt care about boring things like morals
literally he can just bring in like a million of himself from other timelines
also since other timelines and dimensions are confirmed
all my headcanons are canon in at least one timeline and thats great
trim shell
Based.
fringe tapir
Zepreal
Was kinda
Ass
Than again if he didn't killed him many other's would had died
Welp it goes to show his devotion
wooden bluff
I still stand by the point that Zaphrael never wanted the relationship in the first place, but felt pressured into it by his surroundings. Also afaik he never knew Lucretia had a child since she also only found out after he left
trim shell
I mean, I think Zaph's biggest fault was never checking on on Lucretia at all.
if he's having unprotected sex with her he should probably realize that he could have a kid.
distant idol
yeah i mean hes a celestial its not like he cant check in
id bet the twins checked up on luc more than zaph did
coral zodiac
Yep
mellow spade
There is no right and wrong though. Zaphrael has the fault, yet of course he loved Lucretia and the child. He had to do it because the child is already infected by the hypogeans. He even hesitated when he looked at Owain, plus he also hesitated when fighting Lucretia. It was said in the lore itself. It's sad though 😢
trim shell
If he loved Lucretia and Owain, why did he never, not once, do anything to make sure she was doing OK after he ascended?
He didn't help her support the family, raise Owain, and the one time they really needed him he wasn't there.
mellow spade
True though but idk, it was said in the lore so. He even said sorry about Owain but yes, your answer still stands of not caring for Lucretia and Owain UmU
distant idol
he didn't even console lucretia after exploding owain
coral zodiac
^^^^
trim shell
I mean, the only reason he apologized about Owain IMO was the fact that Lucretia was now a threat to him.
distant idol
he just let luc cry there
its his fault that she even got possessed by the twin terrors
trim shell
If Lucretia was just a mortal woman still there's no way he apologizes.
distant idol
if he had done anything to console her afterwards she may not have ever become a hypogean
coral zodiac
He just said "The gods has spoken" like a puppet
Not "He cannot be saved now" or something like that...
He is a celestial, but he was also human
He didn't showed any compassion
And left Lucretia there crying, even knowing that he has just killed their son...
mellow spade
Ah true, your answer still stands. UmU
wide torrent
@coral zodiac he is senseless asshole
jolly path
he deserves it
wide torrent
Agree
trim shell
IDK if he necessarily deserves it.
distant idol
his blood is lore relevant tho!!!
trim shell
He's definitely in the wrong tho.
coral zodiac
his blood is lore relevant tho!!!
^^^^^^
jolly path
but I chose to look at it like this .
if he didn't kill their son
we would not have lucrida rn.
so
he did something good
distant idol
thats technically not good
wide torrent
He was senseless all the time when they live together, and when he ascend ed, he forgot about his wife and son
distant idol
even tho we love luc
he wasnt supposed to let the hypogean take her over
technically thats a bad thing
jolly path
all of the story is a fiction
wide torrent
He can arrive few minutes earlier, and save his son
distant idol
CELESTIAL BLOOD
btw blood lore relevance headcanon!!
wide torrent
But he arrive just in time, when his son already was corrupted
jolly path
can you
jolly path
I see
distant idol
the animation cut off before the fight was over
she was trying and even almost cut off his arm
distant idol
as she should
jolly path
ya
trim shell
The union story says Zaph is more powerful tho.
distant idol
wait
jolly path
ew zaph
wide torrent
And Zaph is only a half-god, isnt it? Ascended is like half-gods, are the? So they are killablr
trim shell
But u can't always trust what Lilith says.
distant idol
theres a union??
trim shell
There's a lot of inconsistencies.
trim shell
theres a union??
New union.
distant idol
ascended arent half gods
trim shell
And Zaph is only a half-god, isnt it? Ascended is like half-gods, are the? So th...
Nah hes a full on god.
distant idol
theyre ascended to be gods
trim shell
He ascended into godhood.
jolly path
hatred can make anyone going to his max
distant idol
and also dura was full on god and died
jolly path
just kill him
copper cairn
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simple vine
well maybe it's like, zap only did things because he felt responsible for it. His upmost priority was still avenging his family
i'm still kinda uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh about the line saying "he couldn't refuse lucretia"
like, did he really love her, or he's just there because, said "responsibility"
wooden bluff
Well tbh it was,, mostly social pressure
For the hero to also have a family, a legacy and a heir
safe ruin
so did luc and zaph die together
distant idol
prob not
if i had to guess, they fought until a total stalemate and left to go recover
inland patio
That video was amazing
dark heath
Dude why was Zaphrael just looking at Lucretia when she said THAT'S YOUR SON!
He was like 
The animation was just beautiful
I kinda dislike Zaphrael because evrything that happened was his failt but than again reading the combined story gives a completly new prospective and it seems over time he has shown remorse
wooden bluff
Honestly, I think he was at that point both shocked and conflicted
Bc he knew he had to kill him, so he tried to not show any emotion to a child he couldn't save anymore-
If he wouldn't have cared, why would he stop to pray at the statue on his way back? Or maybe ask for an answer on why this had to be
At least that's my guess but that's prolly bc I'm feelin a lot for the forced relationship on zaph
dark heath
But to be honest it seems if he hadn't stopped to look around after he landed he could have prevented evrything. It seemed like the connection to the child wasn't completed at that point and would he have imediatly trown a lightning at the wrighting mass his child could have been saved
distant idol
yeah but evwn if he had to kill owain
even if there was no way to save him
he couldve at least consoled lucretia
instead he just left her there
him consoling her could have redeemed him a little bit
dark heath
I am also intrested in the bits wich we are told but never shown
wooden bluff
I think he knew that nothing he could've said could've calmed her or made the issue... easier on her
Maybe he also wanted her to redirect her hate at him instead of humans in general
But also re the arrival: when he arrived Owain's eyes had already turned violet, so I think at that point the ritual was already too far advanced
Plus he did shoot the casters right away, but it did not stop the ritual, maybe that was his guess
dark heath
If that Emperor was that importanat why have we never seen him or have I missed a hero?
wooden bluff
Honestly, in the animatic he seemed rather... passive
As if he was simply sent there to take care of it, but like he didn't have a say in that matter
Maybe stumped from war, but also maybe the fact that he knew he had to kill the hypogean, or Owain turned hypo would kill Lucretia himself and then continue to wreak havoc on other families that it could tear apart
dark heath
But than why was there again a change in colour in the eyes after the black tendrils toutched the child?
wooden bluff
Probably to symbolize that he was about to turn physically as well
He resisted, Lucretia didn't, so the change in her was immediate
I might try to write up a zaph pov from what I gathered from lore so far at sole point but.... it is not that day
gritty trail
To me I see it as Zaph went there to stop the twin terrors
But the second he saw Lucretia he came to the realization "oh wait a minute, that's my son" he turned his eyes towards him but saw Owain already turn, so he basically later came to the idea "he's gone, so I shall do what the god's have decided" and basically kill Owain.
trim shell
Imo, zaph killing owain wasn't the bad part.
The bad thing was how he completely abandoned her and didn't support his family in any way.
wooden bluff
Well he did fight in a war
Lucretia herself saw how little he interacted with other people even before he became a celestial, but after that he had even more responsibilities, which she knew, since in the first animatic she mentions it
Zaph never knew she was pregnant, plus he never really.... wanted the relationship in the first place? He wanted to focus on vanquish the hypogeans so they would not kill any more families and tear them apart
So him becoming that very same thing is most likely what made him so repentant
dark heath
What I really find in bad taste is that the only thing he sayed before trowing a lightningbolt at his son was "The gods have spoken" as if he wasn't a god himself and couldn't have had something to say himslef. Or why didn't he say instead "I'm sorry" wich would have been more apropiate in that scenario
gritty trail
I can't really tell if zaph is bad or not, because in the game he's kinda portrayed to be very much against evil and kind of harsh about it, whereas cinematics show him wayyy more passive and less god like
wooden bluff
Hmmm honestly since he's ascended "only" maybe he regards himself more of a lesser god and therefore thinks he doesn't have a say in things, only the 'true gods' should judge matters like those
trim shell
Just one thing to touch on, zaph almost definitely knew she was pregnant
Since owain was born "soon after" he ascended.
wooden bluff
Why should she mention that specifically 'he is your son' not in the matter of 'he's your son ffs', it rather looked like that would be news to him
If he knew, why should she specify like that
dark heath
What I sadly miss in the cinematics but is in the charakter lore is the cry wich was given to him by the demon saying "Papa". Or at least we presume that it was the demon given the story. Honestly we don't know. Also the cinematic isn't to be confused with the actual lore given that yes it is a dipiction of the events, and an awesome at that, but it leaves out some small detail wich are important for artistic liberie
trim shell
I mean, for one owain was born soon after zaph left, also he had unprotected sex with her, possibly on multiple occasions.
So it's very likely that he knew.
wooden bluff
Well soon after he left
He saw a child and lucretia only at first, but her plea was confirmation for him to actually process it imo
dark heath
To be honest I need to watch more closely at the expressions wich Zaphrael makes before shooting his lightning at owain. I don't know if maby there might be anger in his eyes
trim shell
Well soon after he left
He saw a child and lucretia only at first, but her plea ...
That's even worse tho, like he didn't even think about his kid until Lucretia reminded him.
wooden bluff
I mean zaph is far from being an uwu pure character, heck he has so much bullshit on him as well, but blaming him alone for the events is also kinda eeehhh
He never wanted a marriage nor really a family, got pushed into it by social conventions and lucretia's infatuation with him and then had to do this on accord of, well, his actual mission that he followed since he became a soldier being to kill hypogeans
dark heath
Also if I remember correctly in Lucretias story it wasn't that fast, yes she was on board with the demon but not to the point to shut him up. She first neede to be convinces, alldough little, that the gods do not care for the fate of the mortals.
wooden bluff
Like lmao he's a rancid father yeah, but he also never wanted to be one
trim shell
I agree, but like
Rn we're sorta playing the blame game with who is more at fault, not who is objectively bad.
Since I can't 100% fault zaph for what he did.
gritty trail
To be honest I need to watch more closely at the expressions wich Zaphrael makes...
I was able to see it almost frame per frame (because old client) and when he sees lucretia, he first kinda ignores her then realizes "lucretia?", and after she says it's her son he turns to see Owain, but then turns slowly back to lucretia saying "The God's have decided"
wooden bluff
Also if I remember correctly in Lucretias story it wasn't that fast, yes she was...
True that, imo the cinematic kinda was just 'lore, but speedrun it and skip important details'
dark heath
You can't truly say he didn't wanted a family since to make a child you need a bit more than faight
wooden bluff
Oh no, honestly I think none of them are really to blame
Both were... victims of circumstamce
trim shell
^
It's just that whenever people insisnt on blaming someone imo it goes to zaph first
wooden bluff
Zaph felt pressured into the role, Lucretia's infatuation let her look over the obvious red flags bc of her idolization of him, so it had to clash in one way or another, it just,, happened to be in the worst way possible
True that
Like.... judging from their lore, everyone expected them to marry after he recovered
And comparing setting and history in our world, at that stage of civilization martiage of course meant go and make an heir
But banging =/= loving someone
dark heath
Yes his mission came first but to say he didn't wanted a family seems a bit extreme given the circumstances. I mean maby the acceptance of the marriage was a peer preshure thing but he could also have rejected, nobody told him to saty with her after the marrieag and given that there was a war nobody would have blamed him for leaving wich eventually did happen and certainly nobey has pressured him to have the naughtys with his wife. I mean if he was that easily prssured into having some fun time with his wife than it wouldn't make sence for him to be so focused on his mission.
Of course banging doas not equal love but he seemed to devote to just bang for the fun of it and with a war nobody would question him having no time for making a child
wooden bluff
Well the fact that there's so little known about their marriage leaves a lot of blank spots, but judging by how things are phrased and how generally passive he seemed towards everything regarding lucretia in both lore and the cinematics, maybe he did want a family, just not at that poikt and maybe not with her
dark heath
Well the fact that there's so little known about their marriage leaves a lot of ...
Yes that could be the case but the fact still stands that they did what they had to do to make a child
Even more so he was an overly devoted religious person wich in that reguar many do not conscent that type of activity
wooden bluff
Social pressure, historically spoken, especially on important people for a country, would always involve producing an heir. That means it is your duty as a folk hero and someone with a wife at that to get a child; of course there's no confirmation of anything since.... lillith won't give us info on whether or not he actually wanted ig, but spoken from the viewpoint of looking at old noble families, if you didn't have a child, you were basically seen as worth less
dark heath
But than again we do know little about actual social behaviour and proper eticette in that world
wooden bluff
Oh well but religion often also goes the path of no doing the nasty before marriage, but as soon as you are married YOU GOTTA
For that to go further we'd nees to have more general lorw info on social hierarchies and the church tho ig, which I doubt we'll get anytime soon if at all
dark heath
I also wonder if Lucrecia dies? Well that is after being defeated because in the "hero goes down" animation she transforms back and falls to the ground but is she dead or just unconcious?
wooden bluff
honestly, lore discussions in here at least tell me what I have to work on when writing my own stuff rIP
Hmmm I think the animation would be her dying ans the hypo going to search for another vessel, as it did with owain whwn he died
dark heath
Yep it is truly inspiaring and a bit mesmerising to see how many diffrend point of view there can be to one little bit
wooden bluff
True true! It's also important to consider things from different vies points so taking in other opinions and how they perceive events or interpret lore is always quite the journey, but I enjoy it
warm vessel
Anyone else think Brutus needs a lore update/continuation ?
he has potential to be a character on Prince Edwin's level of influence
errant idol
god that- animation-
split pecan
Yeah, they did a stellar job with that. Very impressive.
errant idol
it's so good!! honestlyyy!
simple vine
Anyone else think Brutus needs a lore update/continuation ?
Y e a h
actually more like
you get nothing much from brutus lore
when you expect something as dramatic as khasos' lore
not to mention the union lore and khasos lore is pretty much, the same?
errant idol
Character Idea!! Sahvein "Abandoned Faith"
Working out the major skills ideas, but so far I have that he is a hypogean assassin who's main role is a debuffer/ damage control type. Possibly the ability to hypnotize enemies!! We shall see what really happens with his character but I have a pretty solid design for it. Expect to see more of this in the future!
distant idol
ohhh thats really good
i hate him but thats cuz im extremely scared of centipedes
he has a scary design
i love it
errant idol
Understandable, I was aiming for a scary design
distant idol
i cant stand centipedes i just break down and scream if one of them materializes
errant idol
oh rip I'm so sorry
distant idol
but you nailed the scary design lol
errant idol
I hope you aren't here to see him when I repost him in a more afk style-
distant idol
noo id love to see that actually
its not common that a drawing actually puts me on edge
errant idol
I'm gonna take that as a compliment
lament meadow
broooooo thats super cool!!!
errant idol
Thank you!
lament meadow
very creative design, i feel like hypos in general have a lot of leeway for freaky designs
distant idol
I'm gonna take that as a compliment
it is meant as a compliment
errant idol
hypos are so fun
lament meadow
if youve ever read the ars goetia you can get more inspiration for how weird demons could look
hypos best faction
distant idol
wait w
ok makes sense
never realized that
stupid nintendo
anyways yeah i agree with hawk
errant idol
hec yeah!! ars goetia!!
anyways so we don't get off topic, that's all i have on him for now!! I will post more in the future!
exotic siren
Ngl that mantipede looks absolutely fantastic
dark heath
Al
dark heath
This game's lore makes Twilight look like a literary masterpiece.
lament meadow
ok, good to know
distant idol
smh twilight is a literary masterpiece
[i havent read twilight i just know theres hot wolf boy]
wooden bluff
Hjjakkajsjaja listen twilight is at fault for giving us 50 sh*des of gr'y so I blame that entirely
mint mauve
are there videos or smth for the full lore or are there only start reading all the lores it would be way more exciting with videos and stuff for the lore
distant idol
well i mean
they may make more animations like the luc and zaph ones
but no way youll get a full representation
you should read it all
and if you want to, you could read it all
every description of everything
every bounty, event, and item
lament meadow
@trim shell werent you making a lore doc
trim shell
Technically yes but Ive been too lazy to do anything for a while.
mint mauve
can i see your lore doc?
trim shell
Oh I've like, barely started, there's been some stuff™️ going on recently and I haven't felt too motivated to work on it.
vestal goblet
will Owain be a character in game later 
?
trim shell
I highly doubt it, unless he comes back as a spirit inhabiting a GB's body.
Since he's currently a pile of dust.
vestal goblet
oh yee like Daimon ish?
actually I have not read much into the lore, is GB related to Hypogeans in anyway?
trim shell
Not really.
My thoughts were just like, since his physical body is gone you can't resurrect him really.
vestal goblet
they are sort of mindless zombie-like creatures when Hypo are like the evil gods sort right?
me smol pp brain
distant idol
hypos and gbs are p much unrelated
quaedam handles all the gb, but im fairly sure he isnt hypo
and not all gb are zombies
or mindless
isabella and vedan never died
at least not that we know of
trim shell
Mhm.
distant idol
and theres that island of gb that rejects quaedam so they have free will
baden is like half in control, the lich is the only thing stopping him from full control
warm bronze
Damn is this the first time they did as lil animation thing like this
makes me wish i picked lucretia
exotic siren
Ngl, I'd definitely get owain if he was added. For 3 reasons.
1: cuz boy prolly didn't like being dead and must taste vengeance
2: his childhood got ripped away
3: i already have his mother and father on my team so it'd be a family reunion... Even if he don't want one
warm bronze
i feel like that was just a figment
the hhypogean was just toying with her
before it took her over
exotic siren
Nah. Owain did exist. He got dusted
warm bronze
I know thats what i mean
what lucretia saw before she transformed was just the hypogean toying with her before it took her over
or whatever you wanna call it
before she accepted it
exotic siren
Ik. Never said that wasn't the case lol
I was merely stating owain got family issues im sure he wants to resolve. Or purge in hellfire... Whichever happens first
warm bronze
owain is dead im sure
is my point
whatever puppeted his body is what took ove rlucretia
exotic siren
Not if graveborn got him. And ik he dead btw
I was saying if he came back somehow lol
That's all
errant idol
honestly love that animation. just lucretia and zaphrael's story is SO good!!
safe ruin
errant idol
@ me you coward
safe ruin
no u
exotic siren
Agreed banjo.
trim shell
No.
Since zaph was a human when owain was conceived.
Then gifted more power later when he ascended to godhood.
placid mirage
Oh so he only became* a god when he left to go fight for dura ?
trim shell
Mhm.
silk widget
After watching luc and zaph trailer, i wish lilith would make an cinematic scene for gwyn and hendrik.
coral zodiac
After watching luc and zaph trailer, i wish lilith would make an cinematic scene for gwyn and hendrik.
I stan this
lethal kiln
After watching luc and zaph trailer, i wish lilith would make an cinematic scene...
:0
woven crescent
will thoran brother ever be created as a hero? Considering he already got his sister
crystal tapir
”Go on, keep running away. It did *wonders* for me.”
Graveborn Durri concept. (Why are all the Graveborns ex-Lightbearers?)
Was posted in #afk-fan-art, but I was told OCs go here instead.
dark heath
lament meadow
neat!!!
distant idol
ok so
theres a lightbearer calendar
i am breathing heavily
maybe ill try and make my lore timeline line up with the lightbearer calendar
distant idol
its mentioned in lucs union lore
they gave one of the years
i think it was like "year 61 of the lightbearer calendar"
obv i couldnt make the whole timeline on it
but the older parts i could
try
trim shell
Oh I see what u mean.
distant idol
me coming up with ideas for a timeline i havent even started
trim shell
I'm assuming year 0 is the year ancelot founded the empire?
Idk what else it would be.
distant idol
probably
also did we all just glaze over the fact that in mortas' lore it said even a hypogean couldn't kill a graveborn
uhh
wha t
since whe n are they unkillable???
trim shell
Yeah that seems like another line that got thrown in for convenience but makes no sense.
Like the one about demons being no match for gods.
trim shell
I'm just gonna hope that they mean that you can disassemble GBs but not really separate the soul from the body.
Because idk what else to think.
crystal tapir
Yeah, that’s what it seems like to me. The impression I got was that jailer’s pretty screwed, stuck with a broken neck for all eternity.
“Immortal” doesn’t mean “invincible”, after all. Or “able to heal”.
distant idol
i mean i think they can seperate the soul
you know that gb torture chamber
that tortures graveborn souls and not their bodies
unless the souls stay in the bodies idk
crystal tapir
One thing’s for sure; a GB’s soul can never enter the next world.
trim shell
I think the soul and body can be separated again, but it takes some gb necromancy fuckery.
charred flint
So graveborns are just souls that are using corpses as a suit 👁👄👁
charred flint
I
crystal tapir
...oh god. I just got the mental image of their still being conscious when the sun explodes.
charred flint
Does anyone know if theres any very distant ancient relation between Wilders and Maulers bc they both have animal features or are more creature then human and they both adapted to their habitat immensely
trim shell
They both originally belonged to a race called the Ya, amalgamations of human and animal that were created by old lightbearers in search of eternal life. They sorta split when the LBs invaded the Ya to take their resources IIRC, with the faction that eventually became the wilders not wanting to take part in the conflict.
And then they sorta developed separately from there.
crystal tapir
Well, that explains why Maulers and LBs hate each other so much.
Where’s this listed though?
trim shell
In the official facebook page.
You have to scroll down for a while tho m
But there's some decently comprehensive lore on GBs/Maulers.
crystal tapir
Facebook... curse their “you need an account to view anything” policy...
trim shell
And one of the sections about the origins of the maulers talks about that.
trim shell
Facebook... curse their “you need an account to view anything” policy...
Ikr
I just made one so I could talk to Belinda.
crystal tapir
...is it like one of those Tumblr ask blogs?
floral fulcrum
The Lightbearer's founding Emperor, Ancelot, is the same 17 year old Ancelot that held back Zaphrael when his parents were murdered at the village?
crystal tapir
...oooooh. Thought you meant the character.
trim shell
The Lightbearer's founding Emperor, Ancelot, is the same 17 year old Ancelot tha...
Yes.
trim shell
...oooooh. Thought you meant the character.
The acc name is Belinda, so that's what everyone calls it.
charred flint
They both originally belonged to a race called the Ya, amalgamations of human an...
Oh ty, I knew the maulers and Lightbearers hated each other but I never knew about the Ya
trim shell
Mhm, there's a lot of interesting info on their fb page if you have time to dig through it.
distant idol
They both originally belonged to a race called the Ya, amalgamations of human an...
this was never confirmed
only the maulers are confirmed to have belonged to the ya
in the official mauler facebook lore
trim shell
I mean it's heavily implied.
distant idol
wilders are never stated and i have a few theories that they arent ya
where is it implied
trim shell
There's a line in one of the FB posts that mentions the ya splitting into 2 factions, one of which called themselves the maulers
Lemme see if I can find it rq
distant idol
ah i only ever pay attention to the fb lore not the normal posts
distant idol
its def not in the lore
i remember paying very close attention to that specific detail for this exact subject
if you could find an exact quote so ik what youre referring to thatd be great
trim shell
yeah lemme see if i can find it
trim shell
@distant idol https://www.facebook.com/notes/2724277577811956/
"After days at war turned to months, and months into years, a portion of the Ya chose to abandon the war, seeking a new land where they could live in peace. Those who continued to fight stayed in the Scorched Expanse. Their war with the Lightbearers grew into an irresistible hatred. They believed that the Ya who fled the war were a group of weak cowards, and that true warriors earned respect with Lightbearer blood. They banded together, calling themselves the Maulers, their lives devoted to ending the Lightbearers permanently."
distant idol
hmm idk why i never interpreted it that way
trim shell
Tbf it is a bit vague.
distant idol
yeah
but ughh
contradictions
and theres soo much evidence for Wilders not being ya
distant idol
ive discussed this like four times so ive looked into it a bit
errant idol
Another bit of Savhein he has become more in depth!
His ult ability attaches leetle centipedes to all enemies! They slow them and have a chance to stun them for a few seconds
His passive is that he slowly gets more centipedes for every crit he lands, which in turn allows him to make his allies move faster by the leeches circling them (very small bonus but it's there)
i havent figured out a good weapon design for him yet
silk widget
@distant idol the yggdrasil's story from chapter 2 on the world map did mention that the wilders are created by human in Chinese version. I'm pretty sure both the maulers and wilders are the Ya.
trim shell
Tbf Chinese lore isn't necessarily canon.
distant idol
eng version was confirmed canon by lilith
trim shell
Doesn't necessarily mean CN isn't canon, just not explicity.
distant idol
personally i apply that rule to contradictions between languages
if cn and eng lore contradict, take the eng lore as canon
silk widget
But the part that says wilders are the ya is just to big of a plot hole if it is not true in eng version
odd sinew
I want to see how morvus would fit into the entire lore tbh
I mean every hero that is not from the 4 races is pretty interesting
distant idol
i mean tbh i just wanna see more dwarves
dark heath
Is eironn an elf, Wilder, or both?
distant idol
hes just a wilder
has elf ears because deer have like elf looking ears
but hes a deer boy
bright pecan
What's YA?
shy wharf
Who is the "silver haired storyteller with a scar over his left eye" mentioned in the Lucretia/Zaph union story?
gritty trail
At the end it says he suddenly disappears with a flash like a lightning strike, presumably that is Zaph himself
shy wharf
it doesnt say that :T
gritty trail
I mean, why would it directly say it's zaph?
shy wharf
no I mean, there's nothing about him disappearing with a flash like a lightning strike
"As the door was slowly opened, a beam of morning sunshine came through. That beam of light illuminated the face under the travelers hood. A face with sharp edges and a wise unshakable resolve. However, the most striking detail was surely the deep scar etched into his left cheek, crossing his left eye."
gritty trail
Oh i misread that
Well, considering the silver hair, and as well as no one else knew the story at the time
Could just be Zaph, the scar showing the aftermath of that final scene with Dura sealing the hypogeans