#lineup-help
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Lol yeah ik I try to but I don’t have many comps with him rn
And Rowan has lots of hp so I normally put them in the front
I have a decent Rowan and I use them almost every time
Alright thanks
Also sometimes comps are stupid where is u swap sometime that does less damage or dies early with Lyca or ferael as they give haste
And sometimes all u need to do is switch the tanks position or ppl in backs position to get the luck u need to win
Oh I didn’t know feral give haste
Probably
talene thoran/brutus frontline
daimon silas ferael/arden backline
If u havent already, read the pinned beginner guides in #classic-questions
Hii, can someone help me?
The best lineup please
I just came back to the game after 91 days
check the pinned beginner guides in #classic-questions
It didn't help me so that's why I ask
did u read this before or after u made those L heroes
I don't even remember
It's possible that before, I have been here some time ago
Well try reading it again since whatever I tell u will probably have been said in the guides
Safiya not worth being on rc
In any case u can ascend Mirael to L+ and use her as a carry for now, then level shemira, eironn, vedan, ankhira (spider lady). When u can, reset shemira and eironn and level up 2 more fodder heroes in their place
And fuck I replied to the wrong one 🤦🏻♂️
Safiya not worth it
Thank u!
I see i make a lot of mistakes back then
Daimon, Eironn, Peggy, Thoran, Flora, Audrae worth rc and leveling up
DO NOT ASCEND THOUGH IF YOU DON'T HAVE 4 E+ copies
How do I win
Daimon dies too fast. I think bc of MIRAEL, what do i do
show other units
Anything useful out of this
just psa dont make L heroes if you cant make them L+, its a waste of fodder. maybe try swapping rosaline for lucius, or thoran for lucius
wdym?
swap brutus and thoran for the mauler and lightborn frontline
So I'll use Brutus and thoran instead of Hogan and golus?
yes
team
depends on the stage, you can't really use the same team for every stage
27-7
i dont have the stages memorized my guy you have to show me the enemies
have u checked afkhelper.nax.is yet?
ezizh stuns a character for the first 10 seconds of a battle, its more useful to put him across from tasi, u can swap out brutus or mishka for rowan or ferael so like
ferael
-brutus/mishka
eironn
-daimon
ezizh
but yes afk helper is pretty useful if ur stuck
Yeah but my heroes are 80% of the time underleveled and underascended
you don't have to copy the formations exactly
thats similar to what i was thinking
you can usually grasp what others are using and try and make formations of your own, I would help but my early game memory is fading tbh and I probably wouldn't do much
good point
Thinking of trying this out as one of the 5 comps for boss stages in campaign. I’m in the last half of 39 right now. The idea is to use the hero’s cc and abuse the marks from Mishka and Antandra to energy cycle and increase the damage until it wins. I still need to work on both front line heroes before I feel okay with it. Do we think this is viable at all, or am I wasting my time?
:,)
guys should i upgrade my Daimon
put him in the crystal
Trying to beat 9-40 except I feel as though my team is severely underleveled/attk power to beat the stage. Here's what I'm working with
Anu Suggestions for improving my current champions pvp lineup?
Hey, I am stuck at this level, I tried like 100 Times, but still lose :/

You would probably do better with grez instead of brutus there
been stuck here for ages
Ainz in back diamon and lucius front lyca back and shemira back
Arden killing u? @queen flare
Nara will grab the closest enemy because Cecilia will teleport behind so swap saurus and Brutus
They can't put Ainz & shamira on that team
They also have to be on floor 40 of everyone of the faction towers
Uh
That then swap rosaline for Rowan
cant do shem and ainz together
Why not
ainz is binded to shem
O
so still stuck
What's a dim key
Key
What does it do exactly
Allows linked hero’s to be used in the same formation
Doesn't matter pick one
If ur wrong u just have to fight it which is easy
XD
who winning
dont think it matters
Help
just beat em afterwards
?????
if you guess wrong you can beat them after
dammon won 💀
do you have signature item materials avaliable?
Not atm I’ve been upgraded Ainz
Upgrading*
should really focus daimon to 20 and rowan to 30 over ainz he wont be needed till way later on
Damon is at 19 Rowan at 18 I only got Ainz to 10 because I had extra purple
makes sense try to get daimon to 20 he gets a huge power spike due to stealing enemy stats
Ok so damion 20 and Rowan get to 30?
yeah rowan will be feeding daimon the energy potion to so he can ultimate faster and scale quicker
Ok got it thanks
yup yup best of luck
(ignoring the levels, whst team should I make for CAMPAIGN and PVP?)
Hello guys
This is my lineup Lucius,Astar,Mehira,Daimon,Rosaline
Is it good to have 3 supports
Im gonna add rowan in my lineup
it can work, but maybe not for every stage, esp at higher chapter
campaign depends on the stage, every stage is different. pvp:
Daimon
Thoran
Rowan
Grezhul
Arden
I need help
Hey guys im new to this game and managed to pull these informed myself and heard daimon mishka and thesku can be used as an carry but i dont know what i do know bc i have all 3 who do u think should i use and what type team should i build
read pins in #classic-questions it should help a lot
kk
Anything i can try while I wait for powder to be able to level up?
We out here driving the deluxe struggle bus. Which one of the top left three is worth feeding the other two to? Or should I hold off on the hero cannibalism?
@echo jungle hold off and read pin message in #classic-questions . you have ways too many legendary units
Gotcha, thanks
ur levels are fine, can try
lyca
-brutus
rowan
-ferael
daimon
Well first of all read pinned guides in #classic-questions . You should be ascending fodder heroes to L+ first and not random ascended tier heroes.
Help please
will give it a go, thanks 🙂
Lineup for story??
check pinned guides in #classic-questions
Thx
How the hell do i target Isabella?
is the nara not targetting the isabella? is it snaggin the grezhul?
She is but Nara just dies
lyca
Lyca can target Isabella?
no, u use lyca for haste buff and make nara snag isabella
Who should I put in the resonating crystal and in my starting lineup? (I have 9 slots atm)
jumps... over?
i dont understand, can u send a replay?
Like a video?
if its not a video, im not sure how else to play it
Id have to download some kind of screen recorder
Grezhul kills Lyca and moves towards Nara while putting a shield over Isabella
send the positions of ur stuff
Basically what you told me to do, unless im supposed to put lyca somewhere else?
If i out lyca in the front shes gonna die in 2 seconds
drop talene and put back alna
Grezhul keeps coming over to Isabella
do u hv oden?
daimon
alna
oden
thoran
nara
if oden ports grezhul to thoran, swap alna and thoran
did u try to swap alna and thoran? and if its just when hes in the middle then try swapping daimon and oden
Swapping daimon results in him still porting the girl on the horse. Not sure why he keeps targetting her.
Swappin the tank locations also did nothing
daimon
alna
arden
thoran
nara
What does Arden do again?
check the skills
He didnt seem to do much
u need him to root isabella
its either that or u find a way to get nara to hook isabella
Mage in the middle debuffs him and he died in two hits
Nara does Hook isabella thats not the problem
Isabella KILLS Nara in a few hits, and racks up her ult when shes around half hp
Help?
The moment Isabella ults its game over for my team
need lineup
this isnt the impression that i got, but anyway shes just supposed to hook and die, put daimon in middle then to get it closer to isabella
read pins in #classic-questions
rakus not really going to carry without si+30, use daimon as carry
Ayai yai putting Daimon in the middle increased his chance of dying
okay then put him back in the corner
I can usually kill isabella with nara alone but this time i cant
naras not supposed to kill, common misconception
Mainly due to grezhuls shield
Earlier stages she has nearly killed Isabella before and daimon or mirael finished her off
If i csn manage to kill Isabella first everyone else in the stage should be easier to kill
Unless i can use someone with a shield who can defend against Isabellas ult
look you can argue with me all you want about if naras supposed to kill or not, but the reality is when u get to higher and higher deficits all ur gonna use her for is the initial stun since shes going to be oneshotted anyway
ofc i cant talk about more invested naras or the people in higher chapters than me
in the earlier stages, ur enemies were at a relatively lower level compared to now - assuming levels didnt change, of course there would be a survival difference
Im not arguing with you im just telling you what happened earlier not what happened now
Didn’t read the part of beginner guide where it said to use scrolls on graveborn 🥲
Raku is my main carry for now but I only need like 50 more reds
Im annoyed at my team not doing any damage on this stage despite clearing the first 30 stages of chapter 14 easily
Hey! What can I do? I just started lol
read pins in #classic-questions
any tips on how to get past this?
I’m gonna run this for the moment ig
just read the pins in #classic-questions
I’ve read the first guide but it doesn’t show many chars
read the docs as well
do I finally need to wait and level stuff up or do I just suck?
im new, did I put their positions correctly?
u can check the pinned beginner guides in #classic-questions
Any thoughts? Warek just kills everyone
so is it the correct positions?
can try
ferael
-thoran
rowan
-brutus
daimon
i mean sure yea but u should check the guides so u dont make anymore mistakes in leveling/ ascension
ok thx
doesn’t work, by the time daimon uses his first ult everyone else is dead then he just get wipped, best I’ve got is killing warek and ankhira
i'll look for something else can u send the lineup with ur artifacts in the meantime?
thx, I’m trying
Ferael
Brutus
Rowan
daimon
aezizh
seems to be better but brutus is now the annoying one
do u have chalice?
the artifact? yh I have it
try that on brutus/thoran, if u think u can beat it with Rng then keep retrying, otherwise u can also try something like
lyca
-thoran
daimon
-brutus
rowan
can swap backlines around
ty I did it
noice
any good team comps to run for just grinding out kings tower?
do you have the swap scroll?
swap scroll?
u get it after beating chapter 24, are u a returning player?
oh no, i’m i chapter 16
Well ur main investments are out of the meta and arent great for progression. If u want, check out the beginner guides in the pins in #classic-questions , honestly might not be a bad idea to restart on a new acc as if u play optimally u can get back there in about 2-3weeks
ok i might just restart
Testing comps atm, anyone got some recommendations?
reset rowan and eironn and take daimon to 240
Oh dear 😂
reset them to 200* mb lol
What should i change ?
Who is best for last slot, ferael is a couple rows down
Need help
spend diamond why u keep
on?
Is mezoth good
Normal pulls you don’t have much copies laying around
My main problem is with Arden and Ira
If i use nara to target one, the other will kill my heroes
My daimon just keeps getting cc locked
is estrilda worth making for a new player i have 5 copies
just checking but if u havent already, check the pinned guides in #classic-questions . In any case, estrilda works at E+ for what shes used for which is pretty much just Twisted Realm
ohh ok ty
u probably beat that formation earlier on in the chapter, maybe u kinda remember what u used? u can use daimon talene oden lyca ferael maybe
Just managed to beat it
noice
I used a full gb lineup to give my daimon extra stats and with some rng he didn't get cc locked

I just got to the next level and it's a harder version of the same one 😭
Hogan and estrilda just cc everyone off the start
Help
ideas on how to beat this?
Any way i can kill off the guy in the middle first? The time on the stage keeps running out because he keeps healing
I've gotten to the point where Numisu and the Hypogean mage were the only ones left with barely any hp left, but i couldnt do dmg fast enough
getting stuck on this stage
Any help is greatly appreciated
thoran is useless there
who should i replace him with
I'm asking again, I need 5 pvp lineups please
:,)
Just got Izold. Should I replace a tank and add him?
izold sucks
What do you think of the heroes I am using based one the ones I have?
urs is fine whatever works it works you'll gonna replace it at anytime anyway
ok!
Replace it with what do you suggest?
getting stuck on this stage
maybe try swapping oden and tasi for the banish, not sure tho
isnt he good as a carry?
im a returning player so idk if the meta has changed since last year, but iirc he needs a lot of investment to be a good carry anyhow
Whats the best lineup
depends on the stage, take a screenshot and show the stage ur on
Any help ?
Anyone can help me figure out how to beat this? Wanna get to chap16 to unlock gazing and temple of time
not as good as other carries
valid
swap out lightning guy for Brutus, also un level ur kren and invest into ur Arden and whatever
once you take daimon to 180 youll clear it
idk how good the dark guy is either, maybe swap him for Rowan:
daimon
Brutus
Rowan
thoran
Oden/lyca
Ezizh cc's the opposite hero and i think i need that
But sure ill try that formation
The main problem is estrilda she does so much damage and cc
just stall for daimon
then swap thoran and aziz for max stall
Alright thanks but i somehow managed to get past it already lol
Little lost on how to beat this, my daimon cant even ult once lmao
Changed his spot left and right and it made zero difference
Try having nara across from farael, He might be fearing daimon, not allowing him to ult
Yea i did notice daimon consantly being unable to ult
So I'm at stage 38-16 (106 deficit). I've got a mix of meta heroes and not-so-meta heroes, enough that I can reliably beat 4/5 teams in this chapter, but my fifth team is ... well, I don't have enough left over heroes to finish out any one meta comp, at least not well, and so I'm floundering for something that'll work.
Team 1 (Wins): Arthur, Albedo, Ainz, Merlin, Prince
Team 2 (Wins): Alna, Grezhul, Silas, Farael, Oden
Team 3 (Wins): Twins, Lucretia, Ezizh, Rowan, Haelus
Team 4 (Wins): Thoran, Daimon, Ascended Talene, Flora, Kelthur
Team 5 ... doesn't win: Mehira, Khazard, Rosa, Lyca, Zolrath
I have Merhira, Rosa, and Lyca ascended, but my Khazard and Zolrath are both L+ and definitely not carrying the weight they normally would. Thoughts on who I could try swapping around?
The main problem is Raine i think
Constant auto firing interrupting daimons ult, add in Farael..
@high idol Have ezizh in the last team instead of zol or rosa
who should I replace ezizh with in luc team?
Could do a 5 pull instead with luc
Nara physically cant use her skill due to constant interruption
Alright
Estrilda rammed over Rowan
On the bright side, Daimon was able to ult twice
Alna slowing your team down. Try if daimon can survive in front of hogan then put lyca, nara, arden backline
Arden pretty good early on.
Aside from being stunned, yea Daimon can survive Hogan
Sounds better, nara can't lockdown fera because of alna reduce haste on allies
You need daimon si up quickly
Spammed it a few times, i dont think rng can save that team comp
Id love to get daimons si higher but its stuck at +9
Anyone else i could try?
So the final shift I ended up making was to Rosa + Estrilda on the front line, back line Cecilia, Mehira, Ezizh, with Rosa following Mehira, and that won (just replaced ezizh with raine on the luc team). Thanks!
No problem. Ezizh's energy boost always nice in the charmizard/alternate comp
Hey I just got into legends championship for the first time, can someone help me with the 5 comps?
AAA with fera and merlin
Alna GB
Luckily cycle
I know I have those 3 but not sure what to do for the other two
Are you trying to be pvp oriented or just looking for teams. the 5 typical campaign teams work
Help pls
No sorry I’m in legends championship so PVP
@last jungle replace ogi with the talene and put in farael instead of ogi
@queen wolf Ok, check out the guide i sent from reddit. It could help with team building
Love the Lyct Bach btw
ty ty
Alright thx
I'm still kinda getting destroyed .,.
@queen wolf Sorry, I'm not massive in pvp, so i base my judgement on guides 😬
Idk, youll have to wait a little to gain strength with daimon to power thru the stage
Sad
I’m relatively new, any help at all is appreciated, I guess I’m basically just doing campaign right now
check out the pinned guides in #classic-questions
Any team recomendations that include Mishka and pippa? At 13-38
if ur stuck then send the stage as well
Im not really stuck its just that ive never used them so i dont know what they pair well with
pippa doesnt have a lot of use early on but mishka can work well. Can use mishka thoran daimon rowan and some other flex supports like lyca / oden etc
Alrighty thank you, pippa not usable at ascended either? I have 7 copies lmao
she'll work in faction towers when u unlock it, but I havent seen much of her in campaign early on
alrighty thanks
Is athalia good?
Any suggestions on this stage and a good lineup in general?
can u post the full box
arden probably getting interrupted by the hypo mages so maybe make an L+ mirael and run
tasi
-daimon
mirael
-golus
rosa(following mirael)
other than that yea im not sure, if tasi is on ur wishlist take her off for lyca if shes not on
no i think u have the levels
MIRAEL dies like first second with Rosaline, and everyone else then too
J
ok hm u can try
daimon
-hogan
arden
-golus
tasi
I'm too weak or something idk
this chapter is just loads of repeats, do u kinda remember what u used to beat this earlier on?
Exactly that, i was going from 13-1 to 13-22 without problems. And now it seems impossible out of nowhere
Tried moving it around and all but nothing worked idk
hm, u can try retrying with ur main lineup if thats whats been working. It could take a while tho
I always did this but moved around a bit
yea i see, if anything u can try doing some King tower and PoTs to get dust to raise your crystal level to 141, that should also help
THANKS FOR UR HELP DREAF GUY, I'll just move around and do the labarynth first and all that and I'll be fineeee
lol np, gluck
I got 600/24.000 star dust to do that so far i think it'll take a while lmao
Thoughts on this? Mirael or Isabella decimates my team
do u hve nara
Yes, I do have her
ok try swapping her in for rowan and putting her opposite isabella
I got no slots on RC yet, maybe I'll try to remove someone from RC then try it tomorrow. Any alternatives?
u can try ferael but in the same pos as nara would be, nara is kinda one of the best counters to isabella early on
Oki will try him, thanks!
Day 2 of playing, which units should I focus on? Just pulled Talene and I’m wondering if I should level her..
Need help
u got daimon, if u check the pins in #classic-questions you'll see the best ways to progress early on
maybe
raku
-brutus
rowan
-thoran
lyca
I saw this comp on the website but I can’t manage to get a win, best I could do was one or two kills, are my artis good?
eye on oden, call on nara
Thx
need help with this pvp matchup, the enemy top comp beats me with 100% even though we are similar level, any comp I can assemble of my own that preferrably based arond AINZ can couner this please?
Any idea for this?
should damien be frontline or backline
Best linup for what i got
didnt go meta only using hot characters its a challenge trust and ideas on a lineup?
for what
@fiery wing in general need to try out different lineups.
tbh its still vauge, cause you need different lineups for different gamev just because it works on that doesnt mean it works for another what i can advise to you is to stop upgrading ur heroes to L and build meta heroes
@fiery wing what is the new meta heroes
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Bro can yall help me make a team?
My team is Daimon Thoran oden silas rowan can i somehow build ezizh in since i just pulled him
I would make hin my main dmg dealer when i first got him ibwas blasting threw stages
This advice is from James bond so... Most likely right😁
He can’t carry for u, daimon is main dps. His main use is to block out an annoying enemy backline hero like Isabella for the first 10 seconds of a battle
No he is gud for his initial cc, it depends on the stage tho
Bro idk what he is talking about because he carried me but
so i could switcch him for oden?
Silas/ Rowan, it rly depends on the stage
kk so if something doesnt work i try switching him and see if it works
Yea ig
So i put him in my rc right?
yes
do i need another copy of him to ascend him?
hes usable at his base ascension. U need 2 more copies to take him to L+. It'll can take 800+ time cards to get all the copies to build him, so dont try do it
i am once again asking for your comp support https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/961648683793911889/962695506847481896/LDPlayer_10_04_2022_14_47_56.png
kk
he just helped me at a stage i think hes defo usable in early
nice, yea ofc he is, his cc is rly good early on.
just checking but have u read the pins in #classic-questions ? in any case for now u can use wukong(20-40levels above rest) oden mirael ferael rowan
but since hes a cc unit like oden isnt it better to switch with oden?
they perform different types of cc
it depends, if u need more cc than heals in a stage, switch out silas or smth, and yea they differ in their abilities etc
I actually switch wukong to Brutus since Brutus made me progress on chapters
But I will listen
Any tips?
stop leveling your 4-skill heroes to L. Read the pins in #classic-questions Phoneix and Bok's to keep it simple.
You can use oden as your carry till 140 for now (Lucius too). Level those 2 + 3 fodders. Then put Brutus,Rowan, Daimon on your RC. they can be your team
alright tysm for the tips
@safe hazel
can try
daimon
>rowan
silas
>brutus
morrow
I meant thats the heroes i have
I still can't see the copies though, it would be more helpful if you could post ss with 4F
Will do
Swap in oden to stop the snowball?
Have you tried swapping them around?
Yes I tried swapping, but I didn't tried oden
I got it but now I'm stuck on the next stage xd
I found that there is a solution so long as your power level is 50% +/- of the enemy's
EDIT: closer you ge to 50%, the harder it is
you should be able to push till 30k enemy power level
Yes, after that, its AFK time
Painnn but thanks man <3
Any Advice for Hendrik Challenge?
My Highest at the moment is 3,210,993,510 with Team Line-up: Grezhul, Shemira, Saurus, Lyca, and Elijah & Lailah
I do not own Scarlet, Warek, or Mortas (Units I've seen Top Players having on Score Board)
Okay, i just got pass the level, just needed a healer (Silas)
Not sure if this belongs here but I just got high enough in HOE to need 5 teams. Any advice on 5 different teams I can make?
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/568025210498842633/962722916749951057/Screenshot_20220410-173635.png
what's the best formation here?
campaign/getting a legendary hero
new to the game at chapter 7 now.. am I choosing the right heroes or is there a more suitable line-up for campaign?
Read the pinned beginner guides in #classic-questions
Any help?
switch grez and thoran
Any thoughts? tried a lineup in afk helper but didn’t work, Mirael ults pretty fast and daimon barely gets to ult one time
cool thoran is better tank early?
just use 5 best teams , by rating
grez needs alot of furn , and he has to be built out
I'm hard stuck because of this 2 Flora teams. Any tips?
ur daimon is gonna get popped, maybe swap farael to the other side and use lyca instead of nara:
Daimon
Rowan
Lyca
Thoran
Farael
swap silas and rowan and try again, might be some rng, or u might need to swap daimon down to the bottom
u r the goat ty, had to swap their positions but didn’t know ferael can stop fawkes with lyca
yep, he needs lyca for the haste so he can fear fawkes before he coffins. anytime brudda
thing about that is assasint lady gonna insta kill em
im getting the best results w this @pale lagoon
i was talking about my line-up question. sorry, not yours
daimon
thoran
rowan
grez
fearel
I don't have prinz
prinz juckt nicht muss nur dim sein für albedo die du unbedingt +30 brauchst
Is aktuell erst auf 23, hab die erst vor paar tagen das erste mal in garrison geholt
ja das ist schlecht
Muss ainz noch 1x anfordern dann is der komplett mir. Nach albedo werd ich wohl den assassins creed Typen holen
try
nara
-daimon
rowan
-brutus
raku
lol my b
i request assistance
@idle oriole tried it a couple of times and it doesn't seem to work
could swap daimon and rowan maybe, i beat it with slightly higher rc so it could take a few more retries
do u have nara
rip well u can try smth like
oden
-brutus
rowan
-mishka
daimon
if oden ports grezhul so mishka and daimon focus isabella and kills her before she ults it could work
isabella isnt the problem its always the shamira
ive got it to a 2v1 versus her always loose
with what lineup
lemme get it rq
tho i think it was mishka top front scarelt behind her astar bottom front cz she gets insta kill through the tp rowan or talene behind her they switch between middle and bottom
@idle oriole which artifacts did you have on your heroes?
show me what artifacts u hve on urs rn, i'll see if its different
hm well u can swap rowan and scarlet so his potions reach everyone, also could use daimon for scarlet
i tried with daimon but ill replace him with scarelt this time and normaly he is in middle but this just worked better
daimont also just gets one tapped
use brutus for astar
ight lemme try
what artifiact should brutus usue?
artifacts same as mine, probably need more retries
dont think it matters much early on smth like grace or chalice
Help
ight
also i could level someone up should i level up scarelt to 180 or rowan to 160?
if scarlets ur carry rn, then probably her
ideas?
44?
well its a mix of mishka does damage scarelt and talane
Belinda is so annoying
I'm having trouble beating this stage. Ferael is only there for the initial CC and Oden for his ult (If he doesn't get one shot at the start)
The problem is, Niru and Vedan heal and survive even with really good RNG. My Best attempt Vedan and Niru almost went down but healed back and killed Ezizh. What should i do?
Smart to ascend astar and mishka for use?
silvina attacks int heroes so I would try to avoid using them against silvina. put brutus in frontline across from isabella
Ok
how outdated is my team?
about 2 years
pain

who should i work on getting to stay updated?
tidus is usually good for that
u can check out the pins in #classic-questions it'll help catch up on the meta, the biggest issue with trying to revive an old acc is that ur gonna be way behind in pvp so if ur a pvp person, probably best to start fresh
i am not a pvp person so thank god

also side question why does nara never pull tanks
also thank you for the help
is grezhul any good in a lineup?
np 
depends on where u are in the game, and his ascension etc
is chapter 19 early or mid game?
still early, wuts ur grezhul's investment?
brutus is still probably a better tank
yeah hes my ascended teir hero rn
brutus is fine at E
, anyways u should ideally only ascend grezhul when u have his 9furn
owkay
tidus
Mainly need to target Raine and Morvus, anything I could do?
Send help please
My daimon can easily take them out but when they stun and group on him its just not possible
What do you guys think would be my best lineup + Formation??
arden
thoran>
Flame lady
hogan>
daimon
@undone narwhal
so arden thoran in front?
no> mean their front line
should i put her in my rc for some time?
shes one of my fodder units so i guess not right?
then lever her up she will be your carry since daimon is only L rn
@graceful tundra need help on what?
best formation
What do you suggest to play guys?
i can A him after ch 12
im guessing rn best formation should be lucius, brutus, salis, mishka and random
so i reset golus and level her up
yes look at the guide you build the fodders to L+ and when you get enough copies for your carry
i can A him after ch 12 so i can technically ascend him
maybe i could switch her out for ezizth or not worth?
use ezizh when theres enemy that u dont like
kk
when they have good start and their ult good
probably against someone like nemora or guy who summons totems
i could also A gwenyth alreaydy i have 4 copies if i reset daimon but idk if thats worth
daimon is better
kk
daimon is lightyears better than gwen
they all die instantly execpt daimon i guess my comp was better
u read what i dmd u?
u should use mishka @undone narwhal
u sure?
once she gets sig item shes op
ur team should be thoran, and some other tank in the front, then top back should be mishka, silas in the middle back and bottom should be daimon
just put her in resonating crystal @undone narwhal
Is anyone free to try fixing my lineup?
i can try to help but im prolly worse than u
show ur lineup and heroes ig
This is what im trying to beat
i can do the dmg but when everyone groups up on daimon theres not much i could do
have u tried swapping around
oden
alna
rowan/arden
brutus
daimon
see if it ports estrilda
yeah brutus should be in and put daimon behind him
idrk but maybe brutus and izold in the front, daimon behind brutus, then in the middle silas and someone else at the bottom back
Yep Estrilda gets ported
when estrila and Hogan both stun daimon thats when im screwed
ok u can swap oden and daimon pos around
yea it comes down to Hogan and Estrilda being a big problem
i have so much xp on me rn but i cant use it because no dust to ascend my fodders to 141
a
izold poopoo replace him
yea i did
Still dying, tested Rowan before to no avail
32-60 is kicking my butt. Help pls
Level up Isabella
can I get to 2b or 5b at this? I checked the leaderboard but idk everyone has their heroes well built
yea you could try
post the stage and your hero box here
the stage too please i dont want to have to go find it in the questions chat
yes im working on it trying to see what you have and what i can compare it to on afk helper right now be patient
try this
oden
brutus
lyca
thoran
daimon
im not saying it will work but im hoping it will
Ok
Talende
both are honestly not super useful, talene is more useful in cr, ezizh is more useful in campaign
No it didn’t work
was it close at all or did everything die right away?
Right away
i see, then i have no other thoughts to help i wish you the best of luck. if worse comes to worse use a mercenary at some point to clear it
Ok
try nemora instead of oden
try it at least 20 timees
Any help would be appreciated I feel like I don’t k ow what I’m doing hah
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I have a strong ainz merc as well who do I go for dismal
just find a good team
I need a lineup for the first depth of time
google it
Merc my fat luc
Wuts ur id
i dont think trials of gods allow mercs
Lemme check
121874346
They said tog or vondrous pouch
i kinda thought depth of time
Wandering balloon has it too
really? i mustve forgotten then lol
im just gonna assuming ur not lying to me 
I'm
flattered cuz no one trusted u b4, i know i know /j
Hello. I need help with general lineup. I mostly don't know what I'm doing and guildmates don't help either. XD
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@idle oriole okay thank you!
did you change your wishlist ? your characters look a bit odd
No. I have no idea who to get to be honest. XD
lol xD those heroes are hard to continue to game tbh
Do you have any personal recommendations?
You can also look for help at pins
or at afk.guide
I don’t recommend those guides unless ur clearing POT or smt similar
Right, okay.
What the fuck is that wishlist
he asked for personal recommendations 
But Lucius

in early map Lucius is good tho... if you go for lightbear only 
What is this 2012?
Dont put Lucius or saurus in your wishlist
oh yeah i forgot the saurus 
Lucius sucks shit
Saurus is a lot better then Lucius 
i think he kinda ok 
im used him to 33 
At what deficit 
dont make fun of lucius he helped me reached 36 trials 
Can someone help me out? I cant move daimon because i need to kill Isabella, but ill be bombarded by Estrilda, and if I move Daimon, Isabella kills me.
I have it set up where Oden ports Grezhul so Stitchy targets Isabella. Main reason I'm not using Nara is because her dragging Isabella over made the situation worse.
Tried Arden for rooting? Might need a couple of tries
Its finr i beat that one a few mins ago
guys any help? these are my heroes and arden and mirael are the ones on top
I nearly beat this stage with isabella almost dying, so i could probably beat this with rng but id still like to try other lineups
Could use tasi for CC
who? me?
what lineup should i have? i need to finish chap. 11 to get the scroll for graveborns
guys help me kill stupid fawkes and tasi
u can try swap nara and ferael, and then swap ferael and daimon
aight
try few times and they just lock daimon until my whole team dead, any other alternatives?
sry im not sure, have call on daimon and eye on ferael, also remove feraels weapon
u can try
oden
-rowan
daimon
-brutus
nara
swap daimon and ferael, swap talene for brutus
okay got it, thank you ill try it later
Any ideas for this one?
Nerf fkin tasi
Hey I’ve been stuck here for a while now does anyone have a custom team that could work since afk help thingy lineups haven’t really been working out
Should I switch any heroes in rc? Connected heroes are shemira, safiya, fawkess, tasi, Belinda and khasos
Hodgkin and Scarlet
Help me now
Who should I switch for them?
I’ve been stuck for 1 months
That's not possible in ch13
It is for me
🤦🏻♂️ Lucius, thane, daimon, scarlet, oden
guys any help? i need to clear chap 11 asap, that's basically everyone i got leveled
Help me
Kaz and Tidus
Help
Daimon, thoran, oden, rowan, scarlet
Thoran, Rowan, Lyca, Rosaline (follow Daimon), Daimon
And im pretty sure u lvld more then 5 heroes
friend me - i have a similar comp , then u can see how i passed it -139159158
U can only see friends clears for boss stages
damn
Tried Rowan for Silas?
Died instantly
yep
omg that actually worked, thank you so much
hm well u can try
nara
-brutus
silas
-rowan
daimon
now i lost the next stage and i need to clear both 39 and 40, any help?
its probably matter of positioning, try swapping ppl around. Might not work immediately
Its fkin weird but i got it like this(from friend) @dreaf
yeah i've tried that in my previous stages and sometimes the results are completely different, any advice on how i should do positioning in general?
noicee
hard to say without context, if ur rly stuck just post again here
idek who’s the most annoying anymore, any thoughts? tried afk helper but didn’t work well
Anyway i could target both Isabella and Ferael
now i'm stuck on this one
Hey I’ve been stuck here for a while now does anyone have a custom team that could work since afk help thingy lineups haven’t really been working out
sheep
rowan
daimon
brutus
grez/silas
Pain in the ass team to go against
Anything i can do?
Preferably dont want to swap out talene since my rowan is useless atm
Rowan isnt useless wdym?
post full box
I said at the moment, doesnt mean he isnt useful in the future. For now he gets one or two hit all the time which isnt what im looking for
Oop it did it backwards
np
he is a support , not damage
Ik hes a support but im mainly looking for a healer like Talene who can self revive mid fight
oden
brutus
daimon
alna
rowan
Ferael and Isabella together are quite obnoxious
Has anyone got an idea of how to effectivley create a 5th team with those remaining heros?
any help with lineups on this one?
Anyway i can get Oden to port Golus?
is he porting grez
oden cant frontline there, maybe try hogan for oden and rowan for arden
i actually almost won with oden, thoran, daimon, rowan, scarlet, but golus was the only one alive with my oden and golus survived with damn near 1 HP, oden got one shot by golus
Yea
I need to port Golus so Daimon can Target Isabella
does swapping frontlines work?
swap alna and daimon maybe?
Nope still ported Grezhul
so oden survives the whole battle at front?
tried the one you said before and lost, also i almost won with the one i just mentioned not the oden front one, the one i sent was just to show my entire roster, that's why arden and mirael is in the comp
not sure then, his portal is weird sometimes. u can try nara vs ferael or isa too
Grezhul comes over to Isabrlla when i use Nara ayai yai
I keep getting jumped by everyone
swap alna out for thoran/brutus if u hve
I tried Brutus before
oh yea ur only 140 rc hes still kinda bad, do u have ferael?
Ill send my box
Also, Thoran kinda worked, Isabella had barely any hp left even though Daimon wasnt targetting her
yea u can keep trying with thoran, is it his taint that hit isabella?
put ferael in ur crystal for izold, he gets more useful at 141 same with brutus. whats the comp u got close with thoran in?
I mainly use Daimon and Talene with Thoran
Dreaf, am I underleveled for this one or u think it’s doable? been trying for more than an hour
I think i had the same levels when i beat it, i might still hve the ss
I see, i do think nara on ferael would help at least
I beat it with
oden
-rowan
daimon
-brutus
ferael
Let me record a clip of the fight or something
Oh that was u xd, yh I tried it but doesn’t seem to work idk if I’m lacking gear or smth
artifacts good tho?
I need help, i'm truly stuck on this one, that's everything i have + a nara on my RC
Yea so thats basically what happens when I put nara in the middle
Am confusion
d
i see, maybe try
tasi
-talene
nara
-daimon
rowan
artifacts look fine it could just be rng, maybe my oden stole lucius energy before he ulted, does he do that for u?
Didnt work out
swap scarlet for nara and swap nara and oden
im not sure sry 🥲, maybe just try some different things and retry spam
Its fine
sometimes u dont get close and 50 tries later it works out somehow
didn’t pay much attention to his ult, but he survives in maybe 30 runs to ult anyway
what did ur rowan’s gears look like?
mine has T1 boot and non-faction for the rest but can’t dodge at all
mine might not have even had t1 boots, i feel like he doesnt need to dodge so much there tho, is he dying before ulting?
yh I can get him to ult with rng
Didn't work and tried multiple times to see if it was rng, nara, oden, and rowan dies instantly with that comp
best I’ve got so far is daimon vs lucius, raine and tasi but they just kept knocking him back
maybe swap nara for mirael then, also what level is ur arden
137 for arden
hmm i see, is daimon full t1
Ankhira keeps cocooning someone, that's the big issue rn
nope he doesn’t have any T1, still waiting for it in guild store
ok then i think keep nara on her, like
oden
-hogan
nara
-thoran
daimon
ah that could be it ig. I mean it might come down to rng but if u dont wanna keep retrying rn just do something else ik it can get frustrating
Tried it and lost, swapped hogan with rowan and won, thank you and sorry for asking so much
no worries, congrats
Ah ok ty then, I’ll try to clear PoT to get some T1 stones, T1 boots might help

Do you not have Nara? It's gonna be difficult to deal with that Isabelle
Just eirron
Can anyone explain why this team never worked so far?
Does Pippa teleport Thoran?
Lyca
Brutus/Talene
Rowan
Eirron
Daimon
at this low of a level farael isnt really that worth, it'd be better to use rowan for some more sustain.
Lyca
Talene
Rowan
Brutus
Daimon
Help me
Daimon
Bruts
Mirael
Ghrez
Aeden
How
You have brutus?
Yes
Oden
Brutus
Mirael
Daimon
Joker
No Help me
I tried it and it didn’t go very well, any other ideas? Sheep is basically useless and I didn’t really analyse the rest
Daimon
Brutus
Oden
Mishka
Ferael
Try 3-5 times
No
Team Comp ideas that arent Ainz or Lucretia
Why
Raku
Ghrez
Mehira/fera
Rowan
Daimon
No Luck
Send full box
Best attempt yet
I can also Merc someone for that team
Show teams too
What do you mean?
The other 2 teams
Lyca and Rowan are removable
This is my team, I garrisoned ainz early before finding out he’s falling out of meta and I have enough resources to garrison another hero. Thinking about prince of Persia
Should I do it?
yea hes usually the recommended first garrison
Okok bet, ty
I’m so close to making it for the first time ever. Can someone help with the lineups?
When even line-up chat can’t help 😪
Did you check afk helper?
Can you show current lineups?
Yeah but everyone there is overbuilt compared to me at this point
Bro can yall help me make a team that csn beat this stage
How do I get to Isabella
Do you have a Nara?
Nope
Not even 1 copy? What about Athalia?
neither
bah some of my text got erased, everything I have is better geared/higher leveled/more stars/more everything, but just get instantly wiped every time
You’re missing max furniture on the dimensional? Idk her name but can see its missing
By instant do you mean actually instant or almost instant? Also how is your Queen gear?
Fuck. You're right.
I don't have her furniture maxed, didn't realize that was essential there.
Queen furni doesn't help with that
It is just a small heal and dps boost at 9f
Was only pointing out the biggest difference in the teams, a small boost is a small boost, can always be just enough.
This is about trying to get the team to survive beyond 7 seconds.
Everything else is the same or better 🤷🏽♂️
Everyone on the team is basically meant to instant die except grez but he dies first
How is your Queen gear?
T2 non resonated gear has a little bit more haste. I am not sure if that could help her CC the enemies a bit faster.
Do you have T2 str boots manually maxed to test?
So if she was bumped she'd be able to get CC off in that 7 seconds?
yeah i can give her daimon's stuff
Daimon has T3 boots?
Yeah try using just daimons boots, I am not sure if it will help but the increased haste is just my first theory of why it isn't working.
I gave her all of Daimon's t3 and she still dies instantly :<
She is first to die every time
Going to just try moving them around until something sticks, screw it
Is that 40-16?
40-20
hey, im having a little bit of trouble on what heros to use because brutus is complete dog shit , and im looking for a healer
Brutus exists as a unit to not die for a bit and stall for teammates, max out rowan at all costs,
Also a single copy of regular talene carried me a long way with daimon and thoran
havent gotten talene yet
You should read pinned messages in #classic-questions It would explain a lot.
I think it is more important to have Mirael in the back middle than Silas
Ye i tried i changed every heroes position
The comp itself looks very good. I am not exactly sure on Talene. Did you try Brutus instead for a stronger frontline? Or does that leave you with not enough healing?
If you have Nara you could also try to use her to CC Arden
You might want to try your own Arden (if you have one) instead of Silas
Ehh what u mean with arden
imo, early Silas (before he gets SI/furniture) isn't the best healer. You'd probably get more mileage out of a hero who will CC the enemy. Best hero for that in early game is Arden.
I’d appreciate any suggestions:-)
The hypo middle back is gonna be a problem as well as Isabelle probably I'd pull with Nara but you don't seem to have her yet, what's killing you?
Wow i lucretia good to use
@leaden turtle main problem is definitely Isabelle and Mirael. I tried pulling Isabelle but she doesn’t seem to die quick enough to make an overall difference. I do have a Nara, will try a few combinations with her
You don't a lot of options, might need to wait a bit, eironn can pull pretty well if you put him bottom frontline
@leaden turtle I see. Will try that with eironn, but I’ll probably have to wait. Thank you though
Anything y'all would change ?
lyca for tasi or hogan to get arden roots off quicker
I don't even got her E+, still with crystal?
she only needs to be E, her main use is haste buff at the start of battle
Actually helped me through the stage TYSM dreaf chef

What can I do to not cry every time I try and beat this?
can try
oden
-mishka/thoran
rowan
-daimon
ferael
This enemy comp has an damage output that shreds everything I have. I am not even close to getting off any of my skills that migh stun or cc them.
What's my best choice here? I don't have any of them and idk how good they are lol
i want to progress through story right now, what’s the best lineup for story?
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nara if u dont have a copy yet, otherwise scrolls for gb
Anything I could do?
I have it set so Ogi gets ported and Daimon targets Belida, however she is always left on barely any hp left
I tried swapping heroes around but if i ignore belinda her ult will kill daimon
Trying to have 5 decent team with that, i got one with lucretia, one with ainz, one with daimon and one with 5 pull, but the last one I planned on having thoran but it doesn't quite work yet
(he is only 303)
I am still far from mehira M and only have elite khazard
Thoran works fine
what lineup with him then ?
What game mode is this?