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Ik
always lacking fodder now π
Ill just recycle my legendary and purple tier gear when i get a mythical item with faction bonus
I wouldn't worry about that. Mistakes are a part of the game. It is not very efficient to restart unless you made some really huge mistakes.
does mortas +20 apply to ainz ult somehow?
It makes normal attacks have AoE.
It doesn't apply to ults
do normal attacks do a lot at your deficits or no? cuz ainz normal attacks are pretty strong for me rn
I am what people like to call "Lazy" so I am at like 9x power deficit which is pretty low for my chapter. My Ainz still does a bunch of damage, yes. Later on the really big hitters are the hp half thing + ults. Mortas is still great in Ainz because it gives flat damage buffs too and attack speed.
yh k and kren + mortas a thing in campaign or is that just CR?
Mortas + Anything is a thing in campaign if you can afford to put him there tbh. Except Thoran cheese.
yh ig that's true thx for the input!
much more time consuming pushing for me and I'm only 100 deficit so can't imagine it at 200 
high deficit is easier when you have better heroes
maybe swap daimon and rowan
Who's rowan
this guy
Ohh the good support
I hated that stage lol
u can try
oden
-lyca
eironn
-brutus
daimon
I do too
These totems ....
yea..might take a lot of retries π
ill put in the work and the hours
gluck lmao
Hello and grats on pulling Daimon, he is a great carry. Make sure you read the pins in #classic-questions because there's guides.
Im going to use codes
Hey im kinda new to the game and stuck on who i should use where
Honestly in general any help/recommendations would be useful
check out the pinned beginner guides in #classic-questions it'll give u pretty much everything u need to know
Hey im at 11-12, I could use some help since im new. Thankks β€οΈ https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/959187412435746846/959187507428356116/Screenshot_20220331-222829_AFK_Arena.jpg
Post your stage as well
Respen's bad, use Oden. You also don't have many stuns on your team
Yeah, you might wanna Ascend your fodders and fix that Lv140 problem you have
Read the pinned beginner's guide in #classic-questions, all of them
What are fodders
Can I make a decent team yet?
check pinned beginner guides in #classic-questions
hello, can u guys help me pick a decent frontline? I'm at chapter 11-32 and everyone just melted away, I upgraded to L daimon because I have another copy and maybe one more if I passed chapter 12.
You see the one besides izold? He is a great tank. Better than Lucius in late game. He is still good an early game don't know if you'd better than Lucius an early game though. I'm new but somebody told me that so yeah
Started today
hey, thank you for the reply. The lightbearer guy? I guess I'll try him out once the Resonating something cooled down.
Also izold is a good carry
Everyone has been say in Grazhul is good, but in early he'll just die lol
I played like 2 3 days ago or sth
Yea stared today looked at tut i had him but he just die
Also the guy under the tank i was talking about is good to but idk where you should put him.
You need to pull more hero
You'll get Brutus chap 14 use him
Optimally a good early game comp is
Brutus rowan
Tasi or ferael (flex) Silas daimon
i'll keep that in mind, do you think a full lv140 team can get through chapter 12?
Grez is good ascended with 9 furniture, not an early game hero at all
Hendrick is fine not great
Morrow is not that good only used in lb tower
cause if it's not possible then i've made a mistake with my Daimon
Daimon needs stalling look for CC heroes
yeah. i got through chap 12 with lv 120 rc
Daimon is the best carry early game
You can use mirael between 120 160
Yo no way, can I ask what is your frontline?
i had a hero garrisoned so it was pop+thoran
I wouldn't advice doing that, not that it can't work
I see, but I don't think I have comp for Mireal
like I try her once but she died without using a skill once, and if i can stall that far then i think daimoin would have worked too
You use mirael cus you can get her to L+ faster and overlevel her, just need a decent Tank and some heal
i had my thoran invested and i want to put pop into use so there's no turning back for me
Using thoran early game is just torture
She won't do much E+
It's also an afk game, progress is sorta fast early, but you'll need time
yeah i realized that when i saw the huge difference on performance when my thoran hit M(mistaken ascension)
Thoran is great but he needs strong enemies, early game they're too soft
Plz help
level wukong to 100 and let him carry you
It wont let me lvl him more
Help something is murdering my lucretia
Don't 5pull against Rosa shell sweep you
Do you have 2div art?
It just says all heroes on the pentagram must be lvl 60
Heh?
Dual Divinity you can get it at chap 35, you can use Luc without 5pull, very effective team
Sorry i dont talk afk arena that well
My fault π
meaning. the top 4 heroes(after the highest lv-wukong) has to be lv 60. the weird guy on the right is only at lv 52.
btw, have you read the guides yet? since levelling A tier heroes in early isnt a good idea
Idk what a tier heroes means
Might want to look for a change, what chap you're on?
there are 3 kinds
common
legendary
and ascended(A tier)
Common cards are those with green borders you get from tavern; legendary those of blue; and A tier those of purple
there's a further explanation and visual n the guide
37
Oh i thought only a tiers where good
Good shit, you should get dual Divinity for sure
That 9f on Luc might help too
Yes
But im missing the cards. Also the engraving. Pretty sure its not the highest in the recommended list but shes too strong
She's top 3 for engraving I reconn
Hm
I got her atleast e61
After that il probably do ainz
My biggest mistake was investment in eironn
Ainz will fall a bit later on though be aware
With the deficit you're pushing you're doing fine
Sure thing
This with an invade energy comp, + mishka is golden, frees up 5pull for queen5pull
Oh yea i got that artifact
Can i get help
But i cant get it to lvl 3 yet
She'll go pew pew, lvl1 is fine
Im james bond, you have to help me please.
What's the question?
But it doesnβt work with 5 pull, does it? @leaden turtle
Cuz its in the other side
No she needs to be on the enemies side
I just started today what team can i make with this
Yea thats what I thought
That's why I use skreg (9f) rain mishka, estrilda
read pins in #classic-questions
No joke? Skreg is useful?
Yeah read the beginner guide first please
Where is that?
i think 103 lets him run skregg invade, but its not very useful
@slate turtle u can look up what pins are in discord google ig...
I mean no... I just got the 9f so might as well free PoP
Lmao
I'd say
Lyca estrilda (flex)
Rain (9f) Luc mishka (9f) is pretty good for multis
Hi, could someone make a team for my third team in challenger arena or for the upcoming HoE? Attached is my current teams, I feel like Team 2 is a bit crap
Making two better teams might be a better option for you
oh π sad... which two shld i go then?
pops probs gonna go into raku ig, prob drop mehira and rosaline, swap rowan over to daimon... not sure which other chars to replace mehira rosa
It's actually not bad with what you have it's just there not great for PvP, i would add pop to the first team to get more CC for Raku
ah ok, thx, replace grezhul with pop? in team 1
Charm is fine, yess grez out, keep rowan though, you'll be able too adjust if you really get recked, you did good with what you have
ah okay, tysm
Yo, thank you for your consultation early on, new day came, I have enough exp to lvup Hogan and passed through, now struggle at 11-38, but still some progress made
No worries, I have space on my friends list if you ever need a merc
absolutely! is your name the same as in discord?
80220572
Done
thanks man
Hold on I need to clear some storage so I can send a pic
yeah do that and ill attempt to help from there
Here you go
Merca
Stage
@silent moss
yeah so im not really going to be able to suggest anything honestly if you merc a built antandra maybe. kren i dont think can do it because he doesnt have a reliable front formation that can live long enough and tidus could maybe do it
So what line up do I think would work
you can try tidus but you dont have a built skreg with his 9/9 furniture. try something like this
tidus merc
brutus
nimsu
skreg
antandra
I need to get to 180 for the 24 blue cards so I can build skreg to A
Iβm having trouble getting the food for him
But I have the copies
im not even sure clearing 180 gives fodder i think your past the point of that and youll start getting stargazer cards
normal tower gives blue and purple shards if you can clear a lot of that
Iβm on lvl 367!
How do i beat this stage? Would be good if i dont have to use my mercs
post your full hero box
see if questions has any other idea on how you might be able to get some more fodder copies
have you pulled your own copy of rowan or silias?
daimon
thoran
arden
golus
ferael/oden
Nope unfortunately
noted give what they suggested a try first ^
Numisu gets caught by that assassin girl does he have any other perks
hes the only support so shes going to target him first you can take him out and play around with other things
Arden and bottommost hero just dies to khasos axe throw @pale kettle
i mean you got a lot fo support but no one true damage dealer
But i got daimon and mishka who
can be used as well but they just legend
what i suggest you do is have a look at some guides and see what dmaage dealer would fit your team. since youre team has a lot of heals maybe daimon would do
daimon at legendary will work fine since his dmaage has no cap
i liked mishka on the team
all you gotta do with daimon is keep him alive long enough
and daimon but since i cant rlly get more copies of ezizh and talene
yeah id use them
should i just swap those 2 w daimon and mishka, just revert those 2 to get them upgraded
i can keep brutus as tank right? since hes basially almost ascended
what you shoudl do with your levels is put them into your highest ascended heroes to allow you to get more levels on your crystal heroes
and what is e and e+
since heroes in crystal have levels based on the heroes you leveld up and it ignore theirs cap
one on right is E and one on left is E plus
i see
but thats gonna be brutus didnt that dude say not to level him up yet
i mean you already got him mythic plus so you may aswell use him as a level dump
since your doing normal summons theres a chance youll get copies of him anyways
yep
maybe freeze the khasos with aezizh then
but try to focus on the more meta heroes if you can (most the guides have suggestions)
so basically the
heroes on the wishlist?
give this a try
oden
daimon
nimsu
thoran
ezizh
DM me your wishlist i hate this timer
What would the best lineup for guild hunting? I have Saurus,Scarlet, ainz mercs
scarlet
saurus
rosaline
rowan
twins
canβt use scarlet and saurus at the same time
and can rosa be replaced? donβt have a spot in rc yet
you could try each of them once, scarlet alone/saurus alone(and see who deals the most dmg) and add a raine
she gives your carry ults, dealing as much as 50% more dmg
Okay thanks
Ok thanks ill try that
Alright so I can do the dmg now but i dont have enough time for mirael to ult, and even when she does it doesnt kill everyone... yikes
yeah thats why i dropped her
do u have an oden?
Yea but hes only an elite
Ik hes very good though
doesnt matter. replace silvina with oden, see if he ports estrilda
Testing
He does port Estrila
However the enemy teams Mirael shields Estrilia and they all target Daimon
ok just try retry spaming that and swap the position of daimon with oden
Yea doing that
If oden dont work. I would put daimon on the other side and put tasi on the right because her ult would put people to sleep
To have enough time for other ult
assuming tasi has even time to ult
remove mirael and put in an arden, u need to root isabella
also swap ogi and brutus
K
I only have him blue
k
I did try before but she got her ult up AFTER all my heroes died 
Just two chapters until i can enhance artifacts
bit of rng then, lyca can offer haste
Sad
Anyone wanna help with some higher end HoE comps?
any idea? when i use nara to hook mirael or isabella, 2 of my backline heroes get deleted. mirael will eventually cast the fireball(not ult) to kill slot 1 and 3 and their frontline will stall enough for isabel and mirael to ult
oden
thoran
daimon
golus
nara
swap golus and thoran if odens not porting estrilda
i dont have enough gear for both golus and nara. and they both get oneshotted with my gear
as long as nara can pull, its fine
and my tanks before i had rowan were being oneshotted too
working as intended. nara pulls, oden portals estrilda, tanks get oneshotted and daimon gets run over right after he ults(he cant cast le blood shield)
try dropping nara with arden maybe
the major issues in the enemy comp u need to look out for is isabella, mirael after and then estrilda imo
swap daimon and oden, make sure to port estrilda, maybe drop mirael for arden
How long have you been playing?
little over a week. had been stuck in chap 13 for a few days now xd
Hello, Im a new player and should I prioritize daimon to the point where I feed shemira to daimon?
Hello @subtle oar,
Please check out the pinned messages/guides in the #classic-questions and #lineup-help channels.
nope. no matter how good daimon is, you dont feed A tier heroes to him
also you dont have 2 more copies of daimon so ascending him to legendary wont do much of a change
I see, so I should wait more. Thanks
Help
The flame mage is mostly doing the damage even with the hook graveborn it does nothing
I need help I cant pass this level
How cna I beat this?
@old canyon @limpid sigil Just a heads up, I think you both might be walling yourselves at Lv140 for a long time
Probably ye
Did you read the Beginner Guide in #classic-questions?
Quick fix remove talene and put eironn
Ur game plan is to pull Belinda and kill her fast
The hypogean mages deal a lot of damage though
Help pls the flame mage is doing damage alot but the hook gb cant do anything even after the cc
Yes thats why eironn frontline to pull Belinda and mage
If u have ferael it will help joker a lot to all out attack
Like this?
And as puller it would be better to have eironn at brutus spot
Eiroon can't pull anything if theres the horse girl it cancels eironn pulls
Yeah but idk if ferael works e+ but try it out and move joker and daimon spot and brutus and tasi. I mean play around with changing those spots back and fourth. Eironn at spot 2 should be fine
But that would be instead of using ferael
He doesn't get to do that
He just dies
daimon
brutus
rowan
thoran/mishka
oden
lyca and a puller will work, if u are able to port estrilda itll work as well
Where do i put the pull and lyca?
idk, u were just saying pulling doesnt work so i suggested how u can make it work
Although I've read In guides that mirael should be the primary carry for 100+ I feel like I made a mistake leveling her to 121 before saurus. Saurus has been my primary carry and clutches most of my fights, I know I'm not supposed to focus on him too much this early on but I kept pulling him so thought fuck it... Thinking about resetting and mirael and putting the extra essence into saurus instead... Thoughts?
I'm a little stuck on progression that's why I'm wondering this, the amount if essence I need to upgrade has increased significantly so I'm gonna be doing a lot of waiting anyways
no mirael will perform much better, saurus shouldn't even be on your wishlist
I havr been stuck for a few days, any suggestions?
nara the tasi
btw make sure not to take chars to L if u dont hv 8 copies anymore
You should have kept levelling your fodders, you made the mistake of greeding for Ascended Tier Heroes and Saurus is gonna be stuck at Lv140 cause you have no L+ fodders
Ferael works better against Tasi, I've never had Nara work against her ever
nara works well
they dont hv a ferael
Never worked for me, for all 33 chapters I went through 
you want to give her call + t2 GB str boots for her to work @silk ibex
Eh i don't like following a strict meta in games and he's got me pretty far
worked for me sometimes, just not as well at higher deficits
Tasi just blinks away when Nara tries to kick her down
That's because you prioritized short-term investment and you're probably gonna pay for it in the long term
then do what you want but ascending saurus will just get you gated in progression
she needs more haste
@frozen cobalt You're not even past the tutorial stage of the game and you're thinking of straying from the meta, yeah that's gonna bite you in the ass later at RC140
Your Saurus is far from his optimal investment, and his priority is steadily dropping ever since Scarlet came out - he's not a campaign Hero later on.
Or I can let you do your thing and experience it first-hand 
eh, ur game ur life, explanations in the pins in #classic-questions, if u wanna give into instant gratification ur choice but games a marathon not a race
This game punishes suboptimal play early on - it's fine once you hit midgame if you don't care for campaign and just wanna build stuff you like, but screwing early game can potentially set you back either a month or several depending on the choice 
Basically it's fine to build a fancy mansion - just make sure your foundations are solid
I feel like I just triggered a lot of people π I just wanna have a little fun a long the way, following the rules isn't always satisfying. Sometimes you gotta do something because you like it, not because it's always the best option. I think me ascending 1 hero of my choice early on isn't the end of the world, I can always follow more rules later on
It certainly isn't the end of the world - I've seen some crazy shit in this channel. Yours is a minor mishap. Saurus isn't your worst choice - but all we're saying is don't spam this channel and realize you forgot to build the Heroes that'll carry you.
its not a rule, but ur just wasting fodder which can hurt progress
progression --> unlocking more content
if ur gonna cap progression... u wont be able to unlock the fun content like tr
you can do what you want trust me, I garrisoned ainz at ch 14 for fun even though it wasn't recommended and I get you want to have fun but some heroes just aren't built campaign and that's saurus
The reason you wanna make your early game as optimized and smooth as possible is cause the rewards in this game scale very heavily with progress. The faster you can progress, the more rewards you can get. The more rewards you get, the faster you can build that Saurus you like so much. Y'know?
Of course, was just looking for a little suggestion is all. I'm fully aware that I'm not making a wise choice π
I mean, I myself wanna overbuild a busted-ass Khazard cause I like him
But I'm not gonna be stuck at Ch33 for a year cause I wanna spend all my Diamonds on gazing him
JOIN THE KHAZ CULT
@royal stag IT'S GOT A HIGH ENTRY FEE, I'M WORKING ON IT
holy cow did u just drop in here to say join the khaz cult?
quite the dramatic entrance
I shall try stick to not capping myself in future though, I appreciate all the warnings
@frozen cobalt just balance progression with simping and you're fine
!?!?!?
If you wanna go with Saurus just make sure you pull at least 4 of his copies to make it through the tutorial stage
saurus isn't a good invest for you that's what I am saying
The letters in your name can spell "Khaz" 
It's not the worst
It's far from the worst, I'm more focused on him getting stuck on L
Aye I will try, I've been using all my faction cards on graveborn right now though, not in a super big rush to progress if I'm honest. This game is definitely a 'on the toilet' type of game for me
by invest I mean SI/F
and putting him on your wl
Welp, Asta and I have been playing for roughly 140-something days and haven't skipped a single day, sorry for being a buncha tryhards 
Healer Saurus 
@frozen cobalt dw too much about it tho I was messing around for the first month or two with little progress made
i mean saurus cycle was a hting for trials of god right
Haha nah nah I appreciate your help, I just try hard in different things. I like this game for what it is
and now I'm in ch 34 just don't screw yourself over too hard
yh it's pretty good but weak invest on twins/ezizh will make it harder and probably worse then ainz/GBs
ic, thx
That's why you had to π³ to catch up with me
maybe 
I don't remember why the Chaosbringer Trial was bad for Ainz
I probably would've been where I was if I just tryharded from the start tho tbh
im only 3 chapters behind watch out cat 
also it was bc 12 second immunity for trial32 i think
I haven't pushed the most recent ToGs I unlocked, I really need to at least unlock Warden now that I have 9F Ainz
You're not even at multis, glhf after that
welp i have the stuff for raku charm so π
what rc?
220 but sh dont let cat know
no no, ur blind now
oh dw i only hv 1f skriath and i still need like 3 or 5 copies i forgot
I'll be mad if you get 3F Skriath before me
Can someone help? How should I build my line up?
Read the pinned Beginner's Guide in #classic-questions
This lineup has been the closest to beating this level. Arden got to 1/4 health and Thoran was the last one fighting. Anything I should change?
I has trouble getting this account on my new phone so I completely forgot what I was doing what I was investing in or what I wanted to ascend this is the lineup I was using back then so any help would be nice
Any ideas? Iβm following an afk helper clear thatβs the same lvl as me and mine doesnβt come close at all.
Any comps? Thanks.
read the pinned message on #classic-questions
you dont ascend A tier heroes, but fodders.
also i think your wishlist is wrongly set too(from the looks of A tier heroes u have)
That's a confusing combination of words but I'm pretty sure Ur right about the wishlist
What are fodders you mean the low tier units? I have a few ascended so I can ascend the higher ones later
A tier heroes are ascended tier heroes. aka the purple cards u get from tavern or the cards you wishlisted in tavern
L tier heroes(aka fodders) are the blue cards u get(mirael hogan silvana etc)
I just realized now too that the words used are indeed confusing in the guides
Oh so I was doing it alright just need to fix my wishlist and invest in the right units ?
you can reset any investments right now so it's no worries. you want to level your fodders(even if u dont use them) to bypass the level cap of the main heroes that youre gonna use
Level them? Wait are they cheaper to level up so you level them up and use the resonating crystal to bypas ?? Is that it or did I misunderstand
I legit never thought of that I feel dumb now
yes. put main heroes in crystal. normally they have lv cap of 100 or 120 but using fodders allow them to go up to 160
Can anyone help with this?
lyca/tasi instead of alna
audrae instead of oden or rowan instead of alna as well
Wouldnt they be killed faster unless Tasi could get her ult up
My rowan has no copies so he dies really easily
should do fine with ok gear cuz of his passive
Eh he always dies for me
Oh yea now that I know this any comps would be nice
he does better, the better gear you give him
With tasi everyone just gets wiped in 9 seconds
I said tasi instead of alna
level fodders and try
arden
>hogan
dim trial
>goro
oden
I gave him Miraels gear pfft
God can they just release the 100 summons already
Ye will do that just need to see if anything I have is useful before I start fixing my wishlist
I get really annoyed if i dont pass a chapter in one day
good gear means mythic gear or above but you might not have that unlocked
Yea definitely not yet
Im just stage capped at this point
Been on it since yesterday
I can probably get mythic gear once i get to ch 12
Hopelessly stuck
never get it it's toooooo early to start thinking of gears
Wondering if I just afk and play alts until I break crystal cos I donβt wanna retry spam every stage π₯²
macro is your best friend around this time with daimon
I don't recommend you do manual to save your sanity
Do I need a pc for that 
I use bluestacks but android will work, dw soon you'll need to do manual high rng raku stages for 2 hrs like me 
Damn I donβt hve android
Iβll look into it then. I canβt even be bothered to do manual TR so idk how Iβm gonna survive manual campaign 
yh I just macro on laptop and ik Cat macros on his android phone so gl to you, I couldn't find any iphone macros so @ me if you do
Alright yee sounds gud
I mean when your team dies 9 seconds in the stage despite countless hours of changing positions and heroes, its a pretty good idea to start considering your options to get stronger
Wait macro has a use in afk arena?
Read pins in #classic-questions
I got stuck for several days. Any help pls
try
arden
>rowan
mirael
>brutus
oden
Is arden a must?
Arden roots are very useful cc early
why Oden not Haelus? My Oden dies instantly because of Grezhul's ult :((
Ohh, imma try thatπ₯²
oden is behind brutus he won't die from grez, maybe it's the hypo mages
im assuming you've already read the guides, anyways u can run daimon mirael ferael thoran and maybe audrae for now.
What are some good lineups to pair with zolrath? Pvp or pve formations welcome. Awaiting one last copy from the challenger store to get him to ascended so was trying to find where he could best slot in
getting stuck in this stage
u can try golus for thoran and swapping ezizh and silas positions
try #classic-questions theres more ppl that can help u there and usually respond quicker than here
Cool thanks
silvinia still shredding my backline
make daimon mythic and level him as much as u can after that, it should help
Currently stuck and not sure what to do. Iβm as far as I can be in everything and I do my daily/weekly quests
Honestly have no clue what Iβm doing, Iβve stumbled my way through this game the last month
i have him on the resonance crystal so should i take him off and start levelling him?
From what you managed to figure out on your own you made some common but fixable mistakes
Namely Ascending everything to L - even the Heroes you don't use or can't use. And using Shemira and Lucius - I assume you looked up an extremely outdated guide or something
Not gonna lie, donβt have a reason I use them besides Lucius heal and her damage. I havenβt looked at any guides
It's a funny coincidence then, cause those two are considered the most common noobtrap Heroes
Oh jeez π
Well, looking at the guide won't help too much since you made it past the "tutorial" stage
You compensated for Lucius and Shemira by actually doing Daimon and Oden, and you even had Brutus and Lyca, so it's not as bad as I first thought
You have like 4 out of the 5 Heroes I'd highly recommend for progressing, the one thing you might lack is crowd control. I'm getting ahead of myself tho, @mystic prairie I'd recommend checking the pinned image guide for beginners in #classic-questions so you can cross-check your Tavern wishlist with it
Ok. Will do. I liked how daimon and oden played so I mainly wanted to concentrate on them and everyone else just kind of happened
focus on getting daimon SI to +20 for now
Alright I will
Would get out oden for tasi and swap their spot with daimon so he doesnt get hit with mirael ult
Daimon is the main dd at your stage, all he needs is cc to buy time to ult
Yes 20-40 levels above the rest
I was trying to buy time for Mirael to ult lol
Meant enemy mirael lol
Well a 28 lvl gap between your mirael and daimon might make her your main dd lol
Ik, im just saying that i was trying to make mirael my main dd
They work well together
Ye would probably work better until you get more daimon copies
I was also trying to use ainz but that didnt end well
Working on your other fodder heroes and would probably help
Nah ainz sucks az your stage, needs investment, M at least
Well takes some time :)
But you cant really improve imo, except swapping out oden
Doubt he does much for you and tasi has better cc
Enemy mirael sweeping your team or generally getting overrun?
Generally all supports and tanks get wiped so Mirael or daimon get grouped by 4-5 targets
Levels will solve all that then
I wish there was a skip option instead of sitting through 2x speed, like the one in the events
Does your daimon survive up front long enough to ult? Would take out that thoran for some more cc like tasi or arden or whatever you have
go for raku +30 next btw he'll help you a lot try
ferael
>daimon
mehira
>lyca
rowan
There will be x4 later haha
So something like this @tulip dagger?
Does charm comp work at that stage you think?
Would have tried brutus lyca front, fera rowan daimon
yh that's when I started using it
you can always use it if you have mehira WB + rowan +30
I tried 20 times but that's not even close :/
Ye give it a try, maybe swap alna and golus depending who lasts longer
Does he have wb haha
try
oden
rowan
ferael
>brutus
daimon
your main issue is no dmg dealer, which is what raku +30 helps with
unlocks when you complete ch 29
Have you read the pinned guide in #classic-questions
Oh, well lets hope he has done the tog for that then
I deal no dmg
Maybe daimon mid so he could snag rowan pot?
well with that rowan gives pot to oden to energy drain enemy ezizh
he needs to find some way to deal consecutive daimon ults, so speeding up the first one wouldn't help that much
how many red chests do you have tho @mystic yacht ?
115
Is oden faster? Not sure how much he can do at L+
you didn't get them from this exchange event 
I had some
he works at e+, just needs to drain energy and more invest just lets him deal more dmg and get more haste for more portals
what else did you get?
don't do that just start going for only red chests from events
Yeah, but I still need 16 elite food champ
main problem here is a lack of a dmg dealer
same with me, but red chests are extremely important
I know :/
just go for red chests from next event, raku +30 will be a great addition for you
how close are you to grez 9F @mystic yacht
I don't have furniture for him and I only have 2 elite + grez
He's in my wishlist but I have NO LUCK on the summons
And I still don't have raku and kren
well main problem is that you have got a lot of random investments which don't really benefit you, I assume you are a returning player
Yep, I am but still, I have no luck on summons, in more than 300 summons I still have no kren raku and almost no grezh
HCP raku when you can
hcp ?
Hero choice pull
I already have them all x)))
I have grezh, raku, oden and kren, but still don't have them
You need 8 copies
To have him mythic +
But that's a lot, and I don't have many food for Raku's class
But a lot for Kren's one
I have read the beginner guide so you can someone help me
Whats the best formation for what i have
Patience is the name of the game
All of it? You're still putting levels into the "wrong" Heroes
Should I add the epic+ mirael I got on my team? Or just save it for fodder later in the game?
Have you read all of the pinned guide? You should be levelling and Ascending fodder Heroes
Iβve read most of it I guess I missed that! Iβll try to ascend and level mirael up Iβll read it again to refresh my memory
Please help i need to pass this one just to activate last start
The only thing that stop me from passing is the flora always alive
Welcome to hell
Been on auto for 3h now so i deep into it
for the love of RNGesus help
But where do i put them
i think they might have meant
fera
daimon
mirael
thoran
morrow
Iβd appreciate help
help pls ty
u can get wukong by sharing summons or unions twice, and get him to lvl100 then work on ur fodders ( blue heroes)
u better read the guides pinned in questions too,
3 budget teams for HoE?
I also have twins-Titus-wukong-mortas-awakened ezizh and Melusina
Help plz
it's harder than my final school exams
daimon
brutus
lyca
thoran
fereal
btw don put daimon in front
I don't usually put Daimon in front, just tried this idea
nah it doesn't work, 10 attempts with flawless losing
donβt u have nara?
lvl up Arden to 141 and try him instead of talene
and put ferael mid back
I get to make one mythic who is better warek or numisu
Lineup suggestions please. Also, I just got recently baba yaga, is she good for adventure?
I suck at this game but you should probably use daimon and silas and I heard that baby yaga is mediocre
Who should I use in my team for PvE?
What team can i make with these
Daimon Talene Ferael with Mirael middle back and Rosalene on daimon or Talene whichever is backpacking your team
How do i do this?
whatβs the best team with these units
early use daimon or mirael as carry
numisu
Any help for ch. 35-44?
Should I make anyone Mythic? Thinking Kren or Niumisu and Grez or Thoran
Krenβs fine to do
Lucretia merc
Any ideas for Ch 23-60? The athalia/thane combo is destroying me atm.
U can try
Oden
-Rowan
Daimon
-Brutus
Lyca
I would try dropping lyca in front of athalia with rowan mid-back. Both lyca and rowan are disposable. Probably daimon top back with grez in front of him to put more damage on lucius
would appreciate help for pve
Read the beginner guides in the pins in #classic-questions. That early you still should be using fodder.
thanks
waste of dust
Try something like
Daimon
Brutus
Mirael
Ogi or tasi
Oden
Thanks alot! Worked like a charm!
You could also flip that more or less. I'd try playing around with tasi for the cc
ive tried that a crap ton but i just die at the verry end
Against the saveas (spear dude) I assume?
yeah
Then likely Brutus in bottom front to soak more of his attacks while daimon and/or mirael drop the rest. Might end up being just banking on rng for tasi to live and cc him. Otherwise it's just in leveling up. Three days isn't bad at all, you'll find that out eventually lol
ima cry
Honestly just try the patience route because patience will always be valuable. Take a break from campaign if you get too stuck and play in kings tower or peaks of time, rewards there will give more resources to improve for campaign
im stuck on kings tower too ;-;
Have you used weekly mercenary yet for either campaign or tower?
yes ;-;
Reset is tomorrow if you need to use merc again. I'd try to give it a couple more days so you can get past whatever level blocks you next
oh bet
ima sleep then and hopefully by the time i wake up ill be excited to play agian
Make sure to do any peaks of time you have access to, rewards are great early on. Gl
peaks of time?
oh yea those things ty
Been stuck on this stage for a while now
Is queen even remotely useful in here?
This seem some what better, but still can't kill antandra
check the pinned guides in #classic-questions
I already did but I'm not doing the fodder thing it's to late for that now lol
ur gonna be capped at 140 for a long time, once u can, build some fodder to L+ so u can break ur level cap. In the meantime u can use daimon oden lyca thoran rowan but it usually depends on the stage
Ok thanks
yup they are, if u hve any other questions try asking in #classic-questions it's usually more active
pretty sure iβve tried every comp, non-boss so leaning on not using the mercenary
Use Daimon with Ferel, Desira/Lyca for haste, Silas and Nara to hook Mehira
pins in #classic-questions pls if u havent
Any ideas for this fight? Have no good counter for tasi atm and have no idea who to use.
counter tasi with ferael(+lyca if u need haste) or nara
daimon
brutus
arden/oden
thoran/lyca
ferael
Good choice.
Doesn't work.
try instead of thoran/lyca atalene
if still no idk
stuck again then
keep daimon 20-40lvls ahead of the rest if u can, and check the pinned guides in #classic-questions if u havent already
Ok thanks
So made my acc 1 day ago and need help with lineup
are u stuck in campaign
No
then u dont need help xd
...u can use daimon talene ferael arden thoran
yes but he is not so good early game
help to beat 8-24?
do u hv a nara?
nope have an eironn
try
arden
>golus
eirron
>daimon
baba yaga
i would replace yaga with ferael if yaga is unable to ult
ferael performs horribly before 141 but ig that could be worth a shot @heady blaze
oh rihgt, i keep forgetting that level req
golus better than thoran for tank?
thoran perfoms quite badly before having SI imo
try both
usually, lower hp = higher defence usually, lower than 40% hp means 40% damage reduction
where'd you get this from?
im p sure it was a passive skill, gimme a sec to check
ok misremembered the skill, mb
nice!
is lorsan a good support? it seems his link skill helps me alot
yh, usually used for thoran cheese later on
:,)
Could use some PVP team help for esperia. I need min 4 teams
Swap hogan and brutus and then swap brutus and hogan then hogan out for nara/eirron
i have no idea how that worked but it did so thank youπ
np you can get to ch 21 if your daimon is +20 so keep pushing
he is!
i think his implied meaning is if anyones daimon is +20(not just applied to u) u can get to ch21 and so hes suggesting to keep on pushing lol
get his 3f and you can push upto 31
I just need 4 teams for campaign
Iβm really stuck and have been here for a long time, I need some help.
Trying to find someone who can stun, help?
Did you try Arden?
None of my supports get their ults fast enough
I can get all the enemies to half hp but it just ends there
Do you have any fodder tier tanks at high ascension? Might work better than immunity based tanks at this deficit.
hard to know what goes well against what but
- ainz team (AAA + as little supps as possible)
- q5p with luc
3)raku charm
4)thoran cheese - kren + LDV
actually just realised you don't have thoran +30 
use afkhelper if needed and copy a thoran cheese clear for any rounds
then try and use the 4 other teams I listed
it's hard to give lineup tips to ppl at 5 multis since at that point pushing is probably either very time consuming or just copying clears off afkhelper
Understand
for that kren +LDV team you can run mishka in that as well
alna would also be a good help but I see you are gazing twins
I don't
?
I didn't play year. Talene and twins I got already before break. I spend dias to gaze Lucretia and now I work on alna
oh ok that's fine, both are good investments for TR/CR so it isn't too big of a deal
just that alna GB makes campaign a lot easier and lets you push higher deficits
It take a time to get alna to high evolve, but Woking on it :)
hope you get there soon! here's a useful formation guide one of the CS made here btwhttps://www.reddit.com/r/afkarena/comments/r8nr68/endgame_pve_formations_visual_guides_redorb/
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should help a lot and uses similar heroes to you
Thanks, I go check it. BTW Thoran formation does not work for me. Don't know why
heavy rng
lower deficit makes it harder for him and artis/furniture could be making a difference
put e+ GB chest on him, and t0 GB helm
also t2 5* GB weapon is probably better unless thoran's accuracy is too low for the particular stage
Unfortunately i dont have enough copies to make more L+ fodders yet
Could do with some tips for this stage, one of the enemy hero's has some sort of huge reflect damage and just nukes my team
do u have nara? gb hook girl
Step-assistant, please help me, I'm stuck
oh nvm i beat it
lmao
I am asking my existence at this point
Im stuck for a min can i get help?
My main team is fereal back left-
Middle is Merial-
Bottom right is Rosaline is back right-
Thorne top left-
Talene top right
I don't have her π which one would I need to hook?
Isabella she's rly annoying. U can try use thoran for saurus and ferael for wukong
Can i get help?
swap raine out for ferael and maybe audrae out for mirael. Swapping front row positions might help too
I will try it
Any tips?
what's wrizz lineup atm
Best lineup
Best team
arden
>daimon
mirael
>golus/brutus
arden
Arden again?
U said Arden twice so I'm confused
mb go silvina/tasi instead of 1 of the arden
putting daimon backline could work better as well
retrying 10-20 tries minimum is important as well
okay ty
Is there any new codes guys?
Bad alt pls help lmao
Need help on formation I'm using the one with talene
Is that a good box?
Any idea how to pass this cancer?
from afk helper and from the looks of it since its flora its going to be a auto battle stage
sadly not enough power
yeah so honestly just slap your 4 highest engraved units with luci and go from there
well, I'll actually try mercenary silas, coz mine is just 309 (no star, no engravings), maybe this will suffice

merc'd silas so I could get enough power lol
shemira + rowan + brutus should carry you for awhile, the rest shouldnt matter too much
just focus on 5 fodders units to 160
Ok thanks
can someone help make 2 comps here?
card your grez to 9F you can do full graveborn and budget ainz
Help :(
could someone help me with this?
Anything i can do?
Support 
Oden pro
Pro when theres no Silvina 
Need help getting past the first stage of ch 12
Mirael keeps ulting the wrong direction probably due to Vedan
Any help? idk if Iβm hard stuck or do I still have chance to push ch19
Estrilda interrupts the right side of my team, lyca and Mirael deal tons of dmg,
it just always ends up with daimon vs 5
Any advice for a team for campaign? In world 15 rn
I usually use Rowan, thoran, ferael, daimon, and rosaline or golus
any idea how to beat this? that's the closest ive been. the vampire always survives anyways and daimon cant 1v1 him
What lineup should i go with? on 10-28 right now
nvm realized that i dont need to use pop
whats the best lineup i can use currently/
Daimon hogan golus oden ferael
Check the pinned beginner guides in #classic-questions , u got daimon which is a very good carry
Carry, I think he tank
Check the guides itβll explain everything
Where I can check guides
No need to make so many L/L+ heroes itβs wasting food. Rosa isnβt great with daimon rather use lyca
The pinned messages in #classic-questions
Ok, thanks
Swap ezizh and oden, can try Rowan for fawkes and put him behind daimon
Usually cos of silvina, idk how gud Alnaβs survivability is early on but u can try swapping her out for tasi to bait silvina and swapping daimon and oden positions
Thoran cheese when hes +30
i don't have the deficit for it
im barely 120 deficit
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can someone please help me with this
he carried me to like chp 25
U can try Lucretia invade and Queen 5 pull
thats going to be a bit of investment I need to spend
Thats all i can see
Thanks mate
Do u have 5* call ?
Its possible at a 120 deficit with 4* call
Brutus lyca daimon rowan ferael
make thoran 30 then u will use thoran cheese, put kelthur on your crystal
u can thoran cheese will 4* call just make sure u prio call once u hit chapter 36
Any thoughts? canβt use oden or any other mage they get oneshotted by Silvinia before casting any skill
Have you tried ezizh with call instead of fawkes?
yh issue with ezizh is when he gets his immunity, everyone focus on daimon
brutus and others canβt stall enough to get one enemy killed for daimon
What about lyca brutus Arden rowan daimon
Or rowan Brutus ferael ezizh daimon
nvm, was testing my best lineup to show u how far I got but cleared it xd thx
can anyone good in pvp help me with some teams
This second team is making me mad and i cant do anything about it i nead help
My team is trash ik
My deficit is around 120 so it won't work
this is 117 deficit and it worked
Damn that's a lot of heroes that I don't have onvested
pippa is fine at +20, thoran needs to be 303 and rest can be elite
Yeah can't really give fodders to Pippa as needed for mishka
Ezizh just destroying me and idk why
u can try using 4 level 1 heroes, luc gets buffed from her team dying
Tried that and it didnt work, well it almost worked so i tried like a few times but it always failed
I see, do u have oden?
Nvm i did it i just needed some good artifacts
Stuck
U can try mirael for shemira and arden for safiya
it works at low deficit its just needs higher rng but still work
Can somebody help? Best Iβve gone is getting it to daimon vs niru, but his healing is insane
if its that close it's probably just RNG, otherwise u can try swapping ezizh and oden and swapping daimon and brutus
What's the best luc team ?
ty worked second try, ig didnβt try ur positioning before

luc 5p or invade
This is my first team. Iβm needing a second team thatβs reliable to use for dismal maze runs.
Well, for dismal maze and campaign.
just find a team
camapaign your best best will be luc 5 pull and raku +cc
try and get that skri to A with 3F asap
5 pull with e+ chicken
I mean as an eventual team, ch 32 luc with 4 hypos will work fine
idk tho his hero choices are kinda messy
you can try use
raku
>rowan
mehira
>lyca
daimon
luc
>mishka
mortas
>brutus
any hypo
brutus you might want to replace for someone else so luc gets buffed more
but yea his best bet will make his chicken A 3f for a lucretia 5 pull
ohh yea yea lucretia with 4 hypos works and then the first time is the one he showed to us
if you aint rushing you can finish scarlet first
yh pretty much, lucrieta and raku will carry hard enough for him
nah 100% not worth it you can easily merc a 309e66 one
or 309e38 if mercs are unavailable
if he can find one.. scarlet mercs are kinda hard tho
ask in #mercenary or in #taverns-chat-room there's a lot of scarlets available to merc now
pretty sure Stink's 309e38 one hasn't been merced if you need it
Just passed that yesterday i would put daimon back left Mirael middle audre back right brutus top left then erionn top left
Im not that good but that would probably work idk
I'll try it thanks
Erionn top right i mean
It worked
just get talene to lvl 140 for now
then reset rosaline and level mirael to 160
if you get 3 copies of daimon before ch 12 ascend him to L
any tips on how to get past this stage?
Have you tried nara down right?
i dont remember tbh fdkjghj ill try it!
Best team formation?
Who is your main damage dealer?
it helped but still lost ;-;
Talene
I would say switch Talene with Arden depending on the ennemy in front of Talene, keep Saveas far from your dps
Can Nara finish Saveas?
no ://
Maybe Daimon could finish Saveas after Nara lowered him
ooo maybe
Yo
?
I have few questions I need help with
Ask in #classic-questions
Ok ^^
So Iβm almost on day 4. Been pretty luck with the graveborn heroβs. I read the guides and now know I should have been using the fodder heroβs to max out other heroes. (Working on that) what formation should I be using? I using the daimon and thoran in front. Silas, Feral, and Oden in the rear? My question is, the guides are saying 1 tank 1 carry and 1 support. I just beat 9-4 with my current and on 109 for kings tower but itβs a struggle to progress further. Any advice?
Sorry for the long post.
For 1 stop making L heroes you are just trapping yourself for later on, for a lineup thoran hogan daimon eirron oden should work
They legend part I had already made that mistake before I read the guides, working on rectifying that error. Thank you for the advice on line up
Why hogan though?
Np just remember itβs an afk game youβll always be stuck
You want to level 5 L+ fodder, hogan is one of them
Aaa
I reset some heroβs and got the some fodder leveled up and legends up for now. Added the recommended heroβs to the pedestal to share levels. Thank you for the advice @safe hazel
Any scarlet cycle?
this is my actual team, should I swap eironn for rowan or is it good the way it is?
could some one help me build 5 Teams for Heroes of esperia event?
so far I've got:
1)Grez Alna Silas Athalia Ferael
2) Lucy Twins Rowan Healeus Ezizh
dang, thanks alot that's super nice
Can anyone please help me create a team?
Try Lyka wukong mehira Sylas safyia
Thanks!
level daimon 20-40lvls higher than the rest and you'll be fine
Whats the best way to counter saveas im 12-39
Brutus/Golus, or burst him down before he can get his Ult steroid
stuck help pls
U can try smthin like
Oden
-daimon
Rowan
-brutus
Thoran/mishka
Do u hve nara
I dont have oden ehh
? Nara not oden
.
He gets good later on with investment. If u have eironn u should put him opposite Isabella cos her ult kills ur whole team so u need some way to block her.
Nonetheless try using daimon heβs good even at E, brutus only has 3 seconds of immunity at that level so u could swap him out
@idle oriole i have eironn e
Any help
put him across from isabella then
Ehh so i dont get it what i used as lineup now cause u said whip brutus out etc
u can try
silas
-daimon
mirael
-golus
eironn
Maybe
daimon
-brutus
eironn
-thoran
lyca
Failed eironn keep getting one tapped
Ok k got claped now bit ill tru few times
@idle oriole thxx
I complete chap 12 should i choose oden or daimon or someone els from the chest
move rakus gear on him maybe, my eironn was only E+ at that stage
post ur hero box
yea save it for now, hopefully after the 100 scrolls on wednesday you'll get some good hero copies
Wai we get 100 scrolls this wednesday k heard about but didnt knew
What kind of scrolls
normal scrolls
@idle oriole ok wow i just got oden out of 10 gravebron scrolls
nice 
Should i use it
depends on the stage, he usually has pretty gud synergy with daimon'
Is jt usefull in chap 13 with thos lineup
yea can work instead of eironn
Ok iwill try
guys can i get some help with this in king's tower?
I need help making a lineup with these heros
What ur main dps
Mirael I guess
Mine is talene
talene daimon thoran/hogan ferael/silas
whichever u think will do best in that stage
Itβs one or the other
Oh ok
But thatβs 4
u can try oden and daimon instead of rowan and tasi
Imma use silas and prob hogan
Any lineup recommendations?
daimon brutus rowan lyca oden/silas, also if ur gazing talene I think u should probably stop for now and focus on more prio ones
Dang lots of mythic at lvl 82
Yeah I stopped
Thx

nah still lost
Thx 
Afk helper, never heard of it, is that a channel?
Best team for what i have
Just returned after a few years (tbh, more like one year and a half). Level 81, chapter 11, not sure what team to run honestly. A general team for story would be nice, I know line ups change over time as you hit different stages, but having a general one overall is probably better for a beginner.
Any recommendations? Odens out of the option
I nearly beat it if brutus hadnt used his shield when he had no hp
try reading the beginner guide(pinned in #classic-questions ) and it'll answer most of your questions
some terms might be confusing so u can ask there
try this, and retry it probably needs rng
It's been a while since I've stuck so..
any options?
π I'll do my best
How to deal with mf tree, their healing is just insane. I tried ezizh in front of him and in front of tasi as well
what positions?
Silas
thoran
Rowan
daimon
Ezizh
nvm got it thanks!
Burst before he uses ult
And hook nemora
yh but idk none of my heroes works to take him down before he ults, and tasi always bansihes daimon
I have most core heroes, I can put them in rc if thereβs a way but they r just at E+
How do i beat this?
Iβm kind of stuck, any ideas?
hello anyone got any advice for chapter 38-32 im lvl 361 and on afk helper lowest lvl comp stage is 377 then 378 and i tryed same comps just that its not working im at that high deficit? @worldly apex https://afkhelper.nax.is/campaign.php?chapter=38&stage=32# , i tryed the teams from 378 lvl but the 2nd team is preety much stuck Daimon cant solo
I used this @elder sand
i understand π but u are 398 π my lvl is 361 π thats my pain problem i guess im too underlveled for this stage
Im pretty sure i used Q's clears and he was around ur rc lvl
could u show me ur teams for this stage for all fights i want see ur comps dont need artifacts just teams
Rowan, brutus), nemora Sylas daimon also don't stargaze talene
I'd probably restart on a new account, read the beginner guide pinned in #classic-questions either way though
getting stuck in this stage
Swap Daimon and Rowan
should i start putting daimon in the back from now on

