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[primal mist]

As for your RC slots, Nara and Rowan are huge. Grez is incredible as well, very useful for bossing (guild boss, troubled realm, etc.) for your current stage

[wheat wigeon]

okay, ty

[lusty spindle]

I cant keep mishka alive right now, is there another team that will work for this?

[bright sigil]

Any possibility of beating this?

[fiery wing]

need help, i can do thoran cheese too

[silk ibex]

@digital skiff Any idea for this stage?

I really hate Tasi, especially Tasi FL where I can't stop her from CC'ing Daimon

[raven egret]

Can’t beat this stage. I’m probably gonna have issues finishing this chapter

[stable ember]

Stop making L+ and especially L heroes, ascension tier doesn't matter much for most heroes on the crystal and it just wastes fodder. Drop shemira and Kelthur, slot in rowan and grez. Ainz probably isn't worth using, he needs investment- Would get more out of a cc like tasi or build an arden since he can still be used for fodder later.

[raven egret]

I figured leg+ fodder would be fine due to making mythic later?

[stable ember]

L+ fodder are fine yes but you only have one l+ fodder in your box

[raven egret]

Yeah good point. All the others aren’t fodder. So did I already ruin this account too?

But I will say kelthur is helping me a ton right now due to staying in ghost form while Ainz just drops the whole other team. I seem to be lacking good support and tanks

[stable ember]

Not necessarily ruin but now is the time to shore up mistakes because they can cause issues for ages, make sure you've read the beginner guides in #classic-questions if you haven't and set up wishlist. You definitely have had bad luck on tanks so far, but Rowan is a very strong support, tasi is a decent support for cc

[raven egret]

So easiest way to shore up mistakes is just to stop making higher tier heroes and keep everyone where they are and stock up? I’ve read some guides but this game just gets harder to understand than I thought it’d be

[stable ember]

Basically, you will nearly always be limited by fodder especially if you are f2p. down the line you don't get nearly as many pulls/scrolls/diamonds from quests as you do in early game. Making L that you can't l+ can be a waste of fodder because you could have bad luck and never get more copies

[amber beacon]

I'm in very early game (lv 120 fodders, chap10-stage15 in campaign) and I'm looking to replace my tanks (hogan and golus) by putting some Atier in crystals since they're not surviving as long as I would lik . Which of these should I use for campaign? Grezhul E+, Alna E, Hendrik E+, Thoran E. Using Mirael as carry and bunch of different supports (Talene, Arden, Lyca, Tasi, Nara) if that matters.

[raven egret]

I made Rowan L because I knew I’d make him L+. All I need is one more copy then i can use my pick one chest on him and get leg+. Then fodder to mythic. Astar I did because she was so good early game to me.

The others well. I made leg+ because I thought they could help… they never did

[stable ember]

You never know you will get that extra one until you unlock hcp later. Ascension tiers only give a relatively small stat increase so you can still use most heroes at E or E+ since their level goes beyond their tier limit if they are on your crystal. I still use an E Brutus sometimes on my main

[raven egret]

I used Brutus on my old account forever. Got lucky with his pulls. But now idk what I’m gonna do tbh.

[stable ember]

You might want to start a new account, not necessarily to replace this one but to see how it goes, especially right now with the free 50 faction scrolls code being active atm

[vagrant ibex]

@fiery wing try 1 with raku mehira and 2 ainz

@raven egret stop using ainz if you dont have albedo
Try
Talene rowan
Tasi gwyn/kelthur daimon

If you have nara,brutus,lorsan thoran put them onto crystal.. they are needed even tho only elite

@silk ibex
Try
Lyca daimon
Fera rowan oden/lorsan if you have him

[orchid mauve]

Whats the code!

@vagrant ibex is this good?

[earnest thicket]

Your heroes are much higher leveled than the enemy's, you should be fine

[sacred vale]

How to beat this? Saveasvedan hurts so much and spider lady locks my carry qwq

[silk ibex]

Tried all the combinations and retry spam, I can't stop Tasi from CC'ing Daimon cause he has the highest attack rating by a large margin

[astral wagon]

So close to finishing this god awful chapter

[gusty matrix]

Any advice?

[silent moss]

nara the arden might have to play around a few times to see if it works though

[grizzled mulch]

Do you have a Pippa?

Oh yeah Didn’t even see Arden, Nara would be best counter for Arden

[gusty matrix]

Help if possible?

[silent moss]

what artifact do you have on daimon?

[gusty matrix]

Duras call

[royal stag]

Rowan, Brutus, Daimon, Ferael, Nara

[pale kettle]

any help, dont know what to do from here

kinda stuck in anythin

[royal stag]

Make Daimon M and his si +20

[pale kettle]

just unmake thoran and make m daimon?

izold replaces him?

[gusty matrix]

Not working

[digital skiff]

Ezz

[digital skiff]

Fera
Lyca
Rowan
Brutus
Daimon

[sage pewter]

yea i beat it

[pale kettle]

can i do that?

[sage pewter]

why is izold back row

u would want daimon to stack shields not izold ramp up

[pale kettle]

should be daimon instead?

[sage pewter]

yea

Do u have nara? or athelia

[pale kettle]

Picture one is my team. Which support from picture 2 should I add? @digital skiff

let me see

what faction they are?

[sage pewter]

graveborn and athelia celestial

[sacred vale]

Hello, should I reset shemira and invest into talene carry till i can get shemira to l+ or do i ignore talene and focus shemira?

[sage pewter]

nara is that hook lady

[pale kettle]

yo...

[sage pewter]

nice!

[pale kettle]

all my borns

[sage pewter]

focus shemira u not trynna rish 0.1 each summon and shemira is guaranteed copies from stores

[sacred vale]

Thankss

[pale kettle]

I have the envelope. I just need to get to ch16

[digital skiff]

Uh

Fuck supports, you need mirael lvld up

[pale kettle]

and celestial i dont have any besides wukong and selene

[sacred vale]

Any lineup tips? Im stuck

[sage pewter]

well not twins they dont last long in battles raine buffs damage and astar shields and heals? probably astar

[pale kettle]

Nvm I fount one that is stronger

[sage pewter]

where is hogan

[silk ibex]

Daimon can't do anything, Tasi keeps banishing him

[sacred vale]

Hogan is E+

[digital skiff]

Show full box mate

[sage pewter]

you have to interupt her then

[digital skiff]

Rng it, he'll get on top someday

[sacred vale]

I mean elite

[sage pewter]

you need to stun that vedan he ruins your team

[sacred vale]

Nono Im dying to saveus

He does like 40k per auto attack

[sage pewter]

shemira should be able to handle that tho

shemira needs to get all the kills cause she hes to max hp and shreds hp

[digital skiff]

Only40k?

[sage pewter]

^^^^^^^

[pale kettle]

Discord is calling the images explicit

[sacred vale]

Well my frontliners die then saveus proceeds to sweep my backline

[digital skiff]

Dm me those

[sacred vale]

Any advice on formation for that stage?

[digital skiff]

Bro use mirael

[sacred vale]

I'll try

[digital skiff]

Help

[silk ibex]

@digital skiff Tasi for like 5 Stages in a row...

[pale kettle]

How should I place my team

[digital skiff]

Did you win the other one

[hidden cipher]

Beginner lineup. Using new talene? Thoughts?

[silk ibex]

Yeah, it worked. Thanks for that, but this time with Grezhul and Ezizh I have no idea lol

[digital skiff]

Spider girl is trash, send full box

[pale kettle]

Saying explicit have sent in dms arleady

[digital skiff]

Daimon
Brutus
Oden
Rowan
Fera

[digital skiff]

Any sup
Hogan
Mirael
Daimon
Arden
Generally

[pale kettle]

Okbty

[digital skiff]

Read pins at #classic-questions and ask there. Dont make 4skill hero's legendary. and get mirael to legendary+

[final hazel]

Put tanks in front…

Not hard

[silk ibex]

Welp, update, Daimon can't move or deal damage, somehow they're extremely tanky. I have a T2 weapon on him btw lol

[digital skiff]

Mm

[silk ibex]

Something keeps healing them and I'm not sure what it is

[digital skiff]

Tasi and niru

[silk ibex]

How is this even meant to be beaten lol, I've got full Mythic Gear and T2 weapon/T1 boots on Daimon with SI20

[digital skiff]

Daimon
Brtus
Rowan
Lyca
Feea

[digital skiff]

Daimon is picky sometimes

[pale kettle]

I meant the back duh

[silk ibex]

@digital skiff I wish Tasi was removed from the game

[final hazel]

Put back line heroes in the back

[silk ibex]

Daimon's either banished, can't use Ult or doesn't deal enough damage cause they keep healing. I think I might have to just Merc a Lucretia for this one

It's probably Grezhul

Tasi banishes Daimon for long enough that Brutus' passive wears off so Grezhul can nerf Daimon as soon as he gets out of the banish

[digital skiff]

Wanna see the real fucked thing?

[silk ibex]

Yeah yeah I know, double Flora, but I'm nowhere near that

[digital skiff]

Bitch soloed my 30 skeletons and alna,ghrez AND oden full hp

[silk ibex]

@digital skiff Wait WHAT, I was too busy looking at your screenshot, but when I looked back at my phone I cleared it

This game is completely fucking with me at this point lol, I like to believe my account got hacked in those 5 seconds I looked away

[digital skiff]

Or maybe i

[silk ibex]

If you did and cleared Ch25 for me I wouldn't even be mad

[digital skiff]

I could tho

But you'd have to help me clear ch10

[silk ibex]

Want me to just DM you every stage I get stuck on? Cause I'm stuck again lol

Seirus and Estrilda, fuck my life lol, I'm just haunted by her

Is there a reason my Daimon seems to be gaining energy slower in recent stages?

[digital skiff]

Why not

[digital skiff]

Depends on enemies

[silk ibex]

@digital skiff Why do Estrilda and Tasi exist

[digital skiff]

To be cute.
Daimon
Bruts
Rowan
Lyca
Fera

[silk ibex]

@digital skiff Gonna run a macro on it and hope for like an hour, I'll come back to you if it doesn't work

Doesn't really look like it's working tho since Estrilda's charge always chunks Daimon

[fiery wing]

wait till you met rosaline, rowan, flora, mehira

[digital skiff]

Hardest being flora

[safe hazel]

@digital skiff since everyone else is asking you

[digital skiff]

Get daimon out, bedo in middle and lyca in bedos place

[silk ibex]

@digital skiff Been about 40 minutes, nowhere near beating it it seems, god I hate Estrilda lol

[digital skiff]

Send pic again

[silk ibex]

@digital skiff

[digital skiff]

Oden
Bru
Daimon
Rowan
Fera

[half hearth]

Hello, someone can help me with my team ?

[vagrant ibex]

Try
Lyca rowan
Lil blonde gwyn safiya/belinda

[raw lynx]

Could someone help out with LC comps? Rn I'm running Alna GB, standard 5 pull and Luc god comp, but the latter doesn't work whatsoever

[proper glade]

Somehow Hendrik and the bois are a bit too tanky and Flora then just wipes my team.

[raw lynx]

That's how I did it today

[half hearth]

Ty, just i'm french so Lil blonde is it Peggy or what ? I didn't understand who's this

[vagrant ibex]

Ye peggy id forgot the name

[half hearth]

Okay np and Thank you

[vagrant ibex]

Arthur nemo oden tasi raku
Talene thoran assasin creed moght be gud

Or do eagle and throw nemo using pippa since you has her 9f its even fun

[silk ibex]

Left it on auto for 45 minutes, I think it did worse than the previous comp, might have to Merc this stage

[silk ibex]

@digital skiff Lmao, left it on auto for an hour and RNG finally did it, 214 tries, pretty good compared to past ones I got stuck on

[pale kettle]

help please anyone

anyone have a clue why eironn can't pull?

just started putting good gear on him

[near plover]

@pale kettle put shroud

and remove gear from skriath if it wont work

thoran aims for lowest hp peep

which is your eironn

[pale kettle]

it worked

[pale kettle]

help anyone

[royal stag]

Rowan, Brutus, Daimon, Nara, Oden

[vagrant ibex]

@pale kettle
Thoran arthur
Daimon rowan/oden fera

Or
Thoran fera (dodge)
Daimon rowan oden

[pale kettle]

@vagrant ibex thanks I will try both of them

[pale kettle]

@royal stag daimon thoran oden ferael rowan success

[tulip depot]

Is golus worth spending the resources?

[digital skiff]

Gwyn is faster

[digital skiff]

What recourses

[digital skiff]

Kekw

[pale kettle]

but thoran is the one who kills him

[tulip depot]

Gold, hero Exp, and hero essence

[fiery wing]

maybe because gwyn stunned you, shroud should do the trick

[pale kettle]

no, thoran kills him, already fixed tho

[primal mist]

Don’t know how to deal with Fawkes, first I’m seeing him

Also, Morvus + Mirael are melting through my tanks

[pale kettle]

here we go again wtf
please help

[digital skiff]

Cant win without ainz

[stable ember]

Switch Brutus for lyca, you want daimon to get set up before they do

[digital skiff]

That wont work

[stable ember]

It worked fine for me. I'm on 385 with run of the mill daimon comp

[dusty bison]

How’s my team? I know eventually Talene will fall off.. what’s your recommendations? Been playing less than a month

[primal mist]

That’s a very solid team. I use almost the exact same thing, with Brutus/Lyca for Talene, and PoP/Nara as flex CC, and I’m almost into chapter 25 with just 20 levels more on Daimon (and his +20)

[dusty bison]

I’ve been thinking about Lyca….I kinda regret making Raku mythic but he’s the one I had most copies of. I like Oden so I might use him to replace Talene

[dusty bison]

Nice…..Daimon is so good…..I’m short on resources….I bought the progression pack….I’m tempted to spend more….but not sure yet…..I’m in my 2nd to 3rd week of playing

[primal mist]

With your current number of Mythic/Ascended, I wouldn’t ascend anybody else past E+ unless you’ve got enough copies to get them to A. Lyca and Brutus are good enough at E+ (my Brutus is at E still)

[pale kettle]

I gave up@stable ember

[digital skiff]

Told ya

[dusty bison]

Ok thank you!

[astral wagon]

Still on this god awful set

[primal mist]

Try Rowan in the middle and Oden/Fera on the top. Or Daimon on top, Rowan mid, and Nara/Fera bottom

[astral wagon]

Like that? I got a little confused fnsjxek, but their team doesn't really go down regardless it seems

[crimson shale]

Forgive me if I'm being dumb, but why u got more than 5 heroes leveled up?

Oh wait nvm u don't have enough mythics to go past 160, but still

[astral wagon]

Yeahh my luck has been garbage and i have a bunch of E+ heroes that arent needed so im in a rough spot

[gaunt pasture]

Should I replace someone ?

[slender hill]

Hello I'm new to the game just level 27 and I'm looking into building a team I can brute force some levels of the campaign with. If it isn't asking too much

[south grail]

I can’t get cheese to work

[pale kettle]

Help pls

[frozen harness]

flora, thoran, ezizh,lorsan, pippa(+20) call on all of backrow and eye on thoran

[south grail]

Bet

[frozen harness]

What can I improve here? Sitting 30mins and he just can't get the last kill

[tight juniper]

You use cheese for round 4.

[frozen harness]

didnt work there but i can try again

[tight juniper]

Charm is usually for round 1.

[primal mist]

Any ideas? Lucius + Tasi is enough cc to stall Daimon, and Thane melts the rest of my team despite Brutus

[naive hamlet]

switch stitchy and rowan

[silent shore]

I would use prince he's really useful once you get the SI even lightly up. The stun is enough to stall some of the stun. I would maybe get lyca in there so Fereal's fear can stall Tasi a little bit Get rid of Brutus, put in Prince

[pale kettle]

help?

[silk ibex]

@digital skiff Need some help with this one, AFK'd for 3 hours without success using this comp

[fiery wing]

need help thanks

[fathom iron]

Can someone help me im now stuck at 10-16 idk if I have a wrong team composition or its just lack of levels or stuff still new to the game started around the the 9th

[fiery wing]

lack on levels, meh heroes yea

[fathom iron]

Oh ok also do I have to upgrade my items on them I dont think its quite worth tbh since it doesnt match their faction bonus gear

[pale kettle]

Try taking advantage of using 3 or more heroes of a single faction as well if you can

That's fine you'll either use them soon or you can use them as fodder later

[fathom iron]

I did try putting the Trial Talene and this Tank guy but for some reason they just get deleted in a matter of seconds

[fathom iron]

fodder?

[silk ibex]

@fathom iron You should really rake a look at the pinned guides in #classic-questions, cause I think you just played the game and upgraded whatever you saw fit, correct? You're currently approaching a worst-case scenario where your units will all be stuck at Legendary, so I suggest reading that guide to try and fix what you did

[fathom iron]

Oh cool thanks

so Im doing wrong now yes?

[silk ibex]

Sorry if I made any assumptions, just the amount of Legendaries in your box and no Mythics whatsoever, plus the fact you don't know what Fodder is and the distinct lack of Graveborns in your box make me think you might have messed up a bit yeah

[fathom iron]

Its all good

[silk ibex]

Did you just use any units you could to Ascend your favorite ones?

[fathom iron]

Yeah those blue ones

I used these ones to put those nice units to Legendary

[silk ibex]

Well it's good you didn't waste any 4-skill Heroes as material, strongly recommended that you don't do that, and don't leave your Heroes at Legendary. The spike you get from E/E+ to L/L+ is negligible compared to if you got them to Mythic in one go

[fathom iron]

I was actually close on using a 4-skill one but the skills and abilities that it provided me stopped me from doing so

[zinc island]

Sobbing.

[silk ibex]

@fathom iron For reference, save your copies until you have 4 of one Hero then you can ask us whether it's worth getting them to Mythic. Ideally you'd want to snowball the rate of which you can get 8 copies of one Hero by being patient

[zinc island]

Idk who to use at this point everyone I have is so 🪦🪦🪦🪦🪦

I do have an update of who I re leveled though-

[silk ibex]

@fathom iron Box should look more like this

[silk ibex]

Anoki's one of the worst Maulers in the game, try following the guide in #classic-questions like I told Lyf

You have a Daimon, you should definitely focus him. He's the best carry in the game for early-mid

[fathom iron]

Oh okay okay

So last question do I have a decent team that can progress later on or I just need to fodder them and max 160?

[silk ibex]

@fathom iron Fodder refers to the Blue units you've been using as materials up until now. They're called Fodder cause they're much easier to obtain and can't scale to anywhere near the other Heroes since they cap out at Legendary as opposed to Ascended (a whole 3 tiers lower)

Curious - what did you use your Faction Scrolls on?

[fathom iron]

on LB

but they all gave Blue ones I got lucky to get 2 rowans and rosalines

Is there a broken faction in the game?

I really thought putting an equal distribution of line up such as 3-2 would do the trick or a 4-1 with the Hypogean I had

[south folio]

Graveborn Hypos and Dimensionals are the strongest

[fathom iron]

Well thats tough I spended all of my Faction scrolls to LB

[zinc island]

I have an update on the characters I have tried leveling.

[south folio]

there is following the meta for most efficient campaign pushing and there is building heroes u like only for fun

Two ways of playing the game

[silk ibex]

Rookie mistake - LBs are the weakest Faction by a large margin, rip

[zinc island]

Not gnna talk abt the rest of my characters..

[fathom iron]

But I think the LB ones I get is Good support yes with Rosaline and Rowan?

[silk ibex]

Usually you're supposed to do max investment Graveborns since they're the strongest Faction excluding the harder-to-obtain ones like Hypogeans and Dimensionals

[fathom iron]

I assume Maulers being the weakest one

oh nvm its LB

[silk ibex]

Follow the guide, still not the correct way to start levelling them, you're never gonna guess it, you really do just have to follow the guide, it'll make your midgame experience much more pleasant. @fathom iron you too. Idk if the 2022 Codes have expired but if not you can try making a new account and using those 50 Scrolls on Graveborns

[fathom iron]

Oh okay time to hop to a new server I guess

[silk ibex]

The amount of LB heroes that are actually good enough to contend with the other Factions is very few. LB is actually just the odd one out. Rowan's very good with investment, Rosaline, Raine and Estrilda are good for bosses, Morrow's also pretty decent, but overall the other Factions just have so much more good ones. It goes Hypogeans > Dimensionals > Celestials > Graveborns > Wilders = Maulers >>> Lightbringers iirc, @south folio might have to help me fact-check the placement of Celestials

Pretty sure the notables ones are just Twins, Athalia and Alna? Alna isn't bad but Lucretia (a Hypogean) is just better according to what I've read here

[fathom iron]

Oh okay Ill just play on 2 servers and see if Rowan could help my team in the long run

But for now I will try playing on a new server try the graveborns

[south folio]

I suggest u only make a hero Legendary once u get 4 copies of them

Or there won't be enough fodder to ascend heroes

[silk ibex]

@fathom iron Good luck if you pull a Daimon, best carry for early-mid and is a monster at high deficits because of the way he steals stats from the enemies - his ability basically scales with the enemies'

[fathom iron]

But isn't it hard if they are stuck in Elite (if ever) and going through the late stages of the game (like in chapter 10)

I started ascending them once I hit the brick wall around 10-4

[south folio]

Sometimes u need to have a bit of patience. Let's say u made them legendary first but when u have 4 copies of another hero,u won't be able to ascend them

[silk ibex]

1 copy = Elite
2 copies = Elite+
4 copies = Mythic
8 copies = Ascended
Every 2 copies after that = 1 Star up to 5 max

Going from Elite to Elite+ is always okay. Mythic is a spike because it unlocks their Signature Item, some of which are extremely powerful or even mandatory. Ascended Tier unlocks their Furniture which is another big spike. Star unlock Engravings, another spike.

I have an E+ Brutus, even if he was E he'd still work in the Chapters I'm playing right now. You mostly need one carry, a tank and 3 supports or so. Aside from your carry you only should care about whether they live long enough to stall for your carry to do all the work. Brutus is a good example because he gets invincibility for 7 seconds on the brink of death, essentially giving him infinite tankiness for 7 seconds no matter what Stage you're on

[south folio]

Sometimes u need a bit of RNG too. If u manage to get 4 copies of Daimon early on,game is pretty easy

[fathom iron]

so here if im not mistaken I try a team that has 1 carry and the rest is support tanks

am i right?

[south folio]

Or CC

[fathom iron]

Oh okay

[south folio]

I will say Lyca Brutus Ferael tasi and Rowan are 5 most flexible heroes for early pushing

Lyca and Brutus works at eplus

[silk ibex]

Ferael's one of the best supports in the game cause of his triple-Fear and debuffs

It may say he's a Ranger but he really does function as more of a support

[south folio]

Just try to ascend one hero first per faction

[fathom iron]

Ok Im looking in to this guide atm so if Im not also mistaken the odds of having Celestial/Dimensional/Hypo is rare right?

[south folio]

Don't spread fodder on a lot of units

[silk ibex]

Yes, don't ever work on more than 1 Hero per faction otherwise you'll spread your fodder too thin

[fathom iron]

Also getting them in Awaken tier ( Just like what I got from Talene hours ago)

[south folio]

U won't need hypos up until late 30 chapters but some celepogeans like Mehira and Mortas work at elite plus

U should also grab an elite plus twins if u can for boss fights

Them three are the most important celepogeans

[silk ibex]

Yes, from regular summons it's rare. But you'll later unlock Stargazing and if you get lucky you can pull some there, but never spend Diamonds on Stargazing unless you have a very high investment into your other Heroes (I'm talking 15-20 Ascended Tier Heroes). Dimensionals work a little differently. They're either permanent but are expensive/resource-intensive to obtain or from past collabs and can't be permanently obtained.

For the former, Arthur is from farming Labyrinth coins, Merlin and Leonardo are from Challenger Arena and take around 4-5 months of AFK'ing.

The rest can be rented out for a month with the Garrison System - friends or guildmates who have those Dimensionals can rent them out to you for a month at the cost of some resources - after renting them for a total of 6 months you can rent them for free, making it as if you yourself have that Hero.

[silk ibex]

Elite Mortas works better than Warek at low investment imo so yes very important

[fathom iron]

Okay so do I save up my Lab coins for Arthur then instead of I think it was Shemira the GB there too right?

[silk ibex]

Shemira's one of the worst Graveborn units in the game right now. She was good but then was rapidly outshined by Daimon

Her only uses are to link with Dimensionals and one Twisted Realm boss

[south folio]

Yeah but garrisoning Ainz and Albedo should be taken first priority

[silk ibex]

@south folio I hear people like to Garrison Prince of Persia first nowadays, but I'm one of those people working on Ainz and Albedo cause I have a bias lol

[fathom iron]

Garrison is the one you rent them right like you can bring them and use them once in a week?

[silk ibex]

@fathom iron No that's Mercenary. The Merc'd Hero inherits the gear they have, while with Garrison it only works for non-permanent Dimensionals and you have to gear them yourself

[south folio]

People hate on Ainz because he is the most broken hero atm

[silk ibex]

@south folio All Hail Bone Daddy

[fathom iron]

Okay so you cant get Dimensionals from pulls then

[silk ibex]

Nope

@fathom iron The reason why Dimensionals are so valuable and costly is because you don't need 18 copies to fully max them out like the other Heroes - you only need 1.

[fathom iron]

So they are just broken essentially if you get even if its just 1?

[silk ibex]

They inherit the Ascension Tier of whoever you link them to. I linked my Ainz to my Ascended Tier Daimon, so Ainz is also Ascended Tier.

The downside is without a Dimensional Key you can't use both linked Heroes in the same team

[fathom iron]

Inherit so thats only exclusive to Dimensional?

Oh dimensional key okay

[silk ibex]

Yes. They operate on the "Link system" which allows them to copy the levels and rarity of a Hero of your choice

Due to the rarity and scarcity of Keys, some people like linking Dimensionals to very niche or just useless Heroes like Shemira and Walker once they inevitably get enough copies to Ascend them

[fathom iron]

So just like the stone something

[south folio]

If u have 309Ainz and 303 Albedo,u can nuke everything up until chpt 32 33. But they need a fully ascended hero to link. U can ascend any two heroes and use them as slaves for Ainz and Albedo

[silk ibex]

I'd say not any two

[fathom iron]

So I have a badstart now huh?

[south folio]

But remember u can't use linked heroes and Dimensionals in the same team

[silk ibex]

@south folio GB units don't really have to mesh with Ainz comp so if you Ascend your first 3 Graveborns you can link Ainz, Albedo and Arthur to them. Slap a Rowan+Mortas on there and it's a pretty solid Ainz comp

[silk ibex]

Kren is the best Mauler carry

[fathom iron]

I got him from the 1 pull from the intro

[silk ibex]

@fathom iron Did you set up your wishlist by any chance? On either of your accounts

[fathom iron]

Not yet I will put it now im basing it from the guide

[silk ibex]

It may be complicated at first but trust me you'll save yourself a lot of headaches in midgame

If your wishlist is set correctly the number of copies you obtain will inevitably outgrow your fodder income

[silk ibex]

Making it like my box here where I have a lot of Heroes I can Ascend but no fodder to just spend on all of them at the same time. Hence why I only have 3 A-Tier Heroes, Daimon, Ferael and Oden

[fathom iron]

So okay lets say I follow the wishlist guide. So when do I change my wishlist?

[silk ibex]

Actually, I recommend following this guide for WL, credit to Diana:

[fathom iron]

okay I can do 50 faction pulls and 60 normal ones

[silk ibex]

Get 1 copy of some of those essential Heroes in that screenshot I sent, then you change it when you have 8 copies of one Hero since it's enough to get them to Ascended Tier

[silk ibex]

I'm assuming you used the Scrolls on your first day?

[coarse gulch]

why is Silas only one copy?

[fathom iron]

Not yet I played on a new server

[silk ibex]

Oh, today's Graveborn day, yeah use the Faction Scrolls now

[fathom iron]

Okay

[silk ibex]

Cause the other 5 are more important

Silas functions well enough without investment early on - his healing depends more on gear from my experience and you just need him to pop his really good Ult

[fathom iron]

Only Ferrel and Grezhul

[silk ibex]

Ferael and Grez are good, got enough fodder to start Ascending Silvina?

[south folio]

Wanna show us Ur wishlist?

[fathom iron]

I followed the guide from the #classic-questions

[silk ibex]

Since you didn't get a Daimon, go claim your free Wukong and use him as a carry for now, then follow the second guide on the screenshot I sent to learn how to get to Lv160 quickly

[south folio]

Ah yes then it's cool

[fathom iron]

Do I keep pulling?

[silk ibex]

Did you only do 10?

[fathom iron]

I did 50 faction ones

[silk ibex]

Regular pulls only do 10x, it's cheaper

Early game your Diamonds should be completely focused on pulls

[south folio]

Use every faction scrolls u get on GBs until u have all of them ascended

[fathom iron]

I can E+ now Silvina

[coarse gulch]

Silas vs astar vs Oden. which is better? like which one should I level up to be my 5th hero

[silk ibex]

Good start

[silk ibex]

Show box

[fathom iron]

So I max Wukong to 100 and what just fodder them all to 160 for now?

[silk ibex]

@fathom iron Know that the game has a "Pity-Timer" for each type of Summon in the Tavern - you won't go more than 30 pulls without one Elite

[silk ibex]

Why are you using the word "fodder" so much lol

@south folio You might have to take over for a bit

I'm a little exhausted lol, brb

[fathom iron]

Im still reading the guide my bad 😆

It all just say prioritize the fodder reaching L+

[south folio]

What is the hero that u have the most copies?

[coarse gulch]

hey sorry to ask again, which hero should I level up astar, Oden, or silas

[primal mist]

Check my response in #classic-questions

[coarse gulch]

I sent my box screenshot already

[south folio]

All of them are good.

Carries should be prioritized first. Silas and Astar are supports Oden is a mage dps

[silk ibex]

He's not leveling the right units, he's at RC120

[south folio]

But Oden need some decent frontline for effective use

[fathom iron]

I assume the Carries are define as Continues Damage ones right?

[rain mural]

Any ways to beat 14-40?

[primal mist]

Share a pic of the level as well

[rain mural]

Level of what

[rain oar]

i'm stuck on 13-22 any advice?

[primal mist]

The one you're stuck on. Without overwhelming power, our suggestions need to be tailored to the enemy comp

[rain mural]

I sent it

[primal mist]

Share a picture of the enemy lineup

[south folio]

Yes there are meta carries like Daimon,Raku,Oden,Eironn,Grezul in four faction. And then there is Ainz and lucretia

[silk ibex]

@fathom iron Basically,

They're called fodders cause they can't Ascend past L+ and only have 3 skills as opposed to 4, in the grand scheme of how this game works, not being able to go past that is completely useless.

However, since they're so easy to Ascend compared to the other 4-skill Heroes, they can easily reach high levels and Ascension Tiers early on and be relatively strong during that time.

Why is Ascension Tier important? Because each Tier increases the Hero's level cap by 20. L+ Heroes have a level cap of Lv160 as opposed to Elite Tiers at Lv100.

If you know what the Resonating Crystal (RC) is, it takes your 5 highest-leveled units and places them on the Pentagram, then gives the lowest level of the 5 to whatever Heroes you put in the slots below. e.g. If you have 5 Lv160 units as your highest, any Heroes you put in the slots will also be Lv160.

Since it's a lot easier to get L+ Fodders than L+ 4-skills, aka RC Lv160, that's why you level Fodders early on and not Elite units

[primal mist]

If you have RC slots, add Nara. Try Nara + Silvi to stun Belinda and Mirael long enough that your carry gets going. Add in some CC like Arden for extra time

[south folio]

Only level up 5 heroes. Reset the rest

[fathom iron]

Ahh okay now I get it

[silk ibex]

The turnover from early to midgame is when you get enough copies and fodder to get your Heroes to Mythic, where their level caps will be Lv180. That's when you stop leveling and using fodder to push Campaign.

[south folio]

You will have to lvl up 5 heroes until lvl 240. At 240,u only lvl up Ur resonating crystal then all of Ur heroes lvl up at the same time

[primal mist]

I hate to break it to you, but Shemira isn't great once you hit ~chapter 15. Try Arden instead. Also, you don't need both Mirael and Daimon in the same formation. Having multiple carries usually hurts more than it helps. Swap Mirael out for some CC or healing to help Daimon get his ult off a few more times

[south folio]

non ascended tier heroes like Mirael,Saveas,etc can't go past lvl 140

[fathom iron]

So what I do is for now is get Wukong to 100 then once I get starting to get 3-skill units to L+ I just pick my best 4-skill ones to the RC?

[primal mist]

Another easy power spike would be to reset Mirael and get her to lvl 141, and push Daimon as high as you can (should be 180). He's the single best carry in the game until you hit multi battles, and anytime that you can do something to level him up, you should do it

[silk ibex]

Yes, you'll be using RC to level a lot of your units. You only ever need to level 5 Heroes at a time really. Wukong can only get to Lv100 at E tho so you'll need to reset him and start levelling a 5th L+ fodder, which is Mirael

[rain oar]

well thats unfortuntae, should I reset her?

[fathom iron]

Okay

[rain mural]

Didn’t work, I die too quickly

[silk ibex]

There's an order of which to level your units in the 2nd guide, follow that and put the useful Heroes in RC and you're set

[rain mural]

Didn’t work

[primal mist]

Hard to say tbh. You only have 4 heroes at L+ (or better) including her, so she's useful for RC cap for now. I'd reset her and level her to 141 along with Mirael, and dump the extra levels into Daimon till he's capped. Later, once you get a 5th and 6th L+ hero, reset Shemira completely and dump the levels into them

[rain oar]

got it, thanks

[primal mist]

Make sure Nara and Silvi don't target the same enemy. Also, it'll take retries. Swap gear and artifacts around as well. With your current lineup and power, this should be very doable.

[primal mist]

Good luck!

[fathom iron]

Ok so last question @silk ibex and @south folio what do I do just in case I never get a Daimon

[silk ibex]

@fathom iron You won't "never" get a Daimon cause you'll get at least one free copy from Campaign

[south folio]

Build the hero which u have 4 copies of

Anything can work early campaign

[silk ibex]

@fathom iron The game sometimes might do an event where you can get him as a choice, but it worse comes to worst and you're not pulling copies even with proper WL, there's always the Hero Choice Pull. tl;dr it's impossible to get permanently stuck working on a Hero as long as you know what you're doing

[rain oar]

what should I run on the team besides daimon mirael and sherima?

[primal mist]

Not worth using that box for 1 copy of Daimon imo. If you don't get a single Daimon copy but you've done all of the PoT maps and use the faction scrolls on GB, you'll probably have enough Oden or Grez copies to ascend them

[silk ibex]

@primal mist Definitely was worth it for me

[rain oar]

also i just realized that daimon is a tank, should i be putting him on the front lines? I've been putting him in the back lol

[silk ibex]

It allowed me to get him to Mythic and hard-push campaign with his SI

[fathom iron]

I think so cuz she can absorb dmg afaik

[silk ibex]

@rain oar As a carry he should be in the back so he has time to Ult multiple times

[rain oar]

oh kk

[silk ibex]

He dies too quickly at high deficits if you put him in front

[south folio]

Put Dura call on him

[silk ibex]

^

[south folio]

He usually prefers backline

But it depends on enemy comp

[silk ibex]

Daimon is a snowballing carry because of how he steals stats and heavily relies on his Ult

[primal mist]

I'd run something like this
Daimon

Thoran/Lyca/Hogan/Estrilda
Arden/Tasi/Nara/Desira
Thoran/Lyca/Hogan/Estrilda
Ferael

Nara is a flex unit that's fantastic sometimes and useless in other fights. Ainz...you can always try the exact same lineup but with Ainz instead of Daimon, could sometimes work. Ulmus and Wukong aren't worth keeping on your RC. If you get Brutus, he's also a great option for frontline swaps.

[south folio]

The trick is use him Ferael and Rowan together

Ferael and Daimon has insane synergy early on

[primal mist]

Oh, the box is super worth using on Daimon/Rowan if it gets them to M. I thought you mean for the 1st copy, not 4th

[south folio]

If there is a backline enemy like Mehira Arden,use Nara or Eironn to interrupt them

[primal mist]

It really depends on the enemy comp. Until lvl 160 or so, he works fine in both. Past that the default is backline, but sometimes there will be levels with less dps on the frontline, and you can put him there and use extra support on the backline

[deep salmon]

Could someone possibly help me with team comps for story and tower?

[south folio]

If there is a Silvina enemy,use Nara to pull her

[primal mist]

Share your box

[south folio]

Or put another fodder mage

[rain oar]

alr, tysm for the help i really appreciate it

[primal mist]

This strat works great until the Silvi has too much haste and kills your Nara before she gets her knockdown off

[primal mist]

No problem - others have helped me get to where I am, I'm just passing it on to the next generation 😄

[deep salmon]

@primal mist

[rain mural]

Bruh this keeps happening

NVM I DID IT

[primal mist]

Ah man, you're way beyond the scope of my knowledge. I'd help you if I could, but I'm not even at 5A, let alone engravings or multi-fights

[deep salmon]

Yeah my fights are 5 teams lol

[primal mist]

Sometimes it just takes a bunch of retries and it'll click. Also, Oden is best on backline

[primal mist]

lol, good luck

[rain mural]

Oh he is lol? I don’t have any other tank lmao

[primal mist]

Use Skreg/Thoran/Brutus on frontline, they're all good tanks. Skreg is arguable the worst of them, but you've got him at M, so get your fodder's worth out of him at least

[pale kettle]

cant win this

[primal mist]

Brutus, with his invincibility, can be described as the best tank in the game for a long while

[primal mist]

Get rid of Wukong, he falls off hard after 100. Try Lyca instead

[pale kettle]

lyca gettin one shotted too

[south folio]

@deep salmon u will need to upgrade some SI and Furnitures

[primal mist]

Also, Nara across from Isa is usually the easiest way to do things until you have other stronger CC

[deep salmon]

Question is who to focus on@south folio

[silk ibex]

Even later on the synergy is pretty good

[south folio]

I will say Ainz309,Raku30,Grezul9F,Oden203minimum,Thoran303,albedo303, Ferael 3F are the important ones u are missing

U have an elite plus Mehira,right?

[deep salmon]

Dont have albedo yet. Gre, is close. Fer is somewhat close, thoran close, ainz just started and raku just started. Yeah i do

[primal mist]

Fera +20 is also nice

[rain mural]

Mk

[pale kettle]

what should i pick hm?

[deep salmon]

Talene front ainz rear?

Or row front ainz rear

[pale kettle]

man viper's marsh is so much hard to me lol

[deep salmon]

It gets easier lol

[primal mist]

Ainz backline helps a lot

[pale kettle]

ainz is the skel?

[deep salmon]

Yup

[south folio]

And u should prioritize Lucretia and Alna over other celepogeans

[deep salmon]

Luc is in gazer right now but no luck pulling her.

[south folio]

U should already know 5meta campaign teams I guess?

[deep salmon]

Yeah i know em but dont have em. And with cele and hypo i cant do wishlist or nothin so hard to just get

[south folio]

If u don't have Lucy,u can try queen 5.but I don't see a skirath in Ur box either

[deep salmon]

E+

[south folio]

Also u will need Raine103,Estrilda10,Pippa20 etc

Skirath is very important I suggest u HCP him

[deep salmon]

Hcp?

[south folio]

Hero choice pull

[deep salmon]

Oh yeah theyve all been goin to maulers lately

[south folio]

Not faction scroll

[deep salmon]

Ah gotcha

Used this month on raku.

[south folio]

I can show u my box for reference purposes

[prime cairn]

Guys pls help me

[south folio]

Brutus Rowan frontline daimon tasi plus Oden or lyca back line

Ferael is useful for stages like this

Since he has anti heal

[prime cairn]

Should I ascend him?

[south folio]

Yes ofc

[prime cairn]

But Thanks a lot

[south folio]

But wait till u have 4 copies of him

[prime cairn]

Ok thx

[prime cairn]

Why?

[south folio]

U always want to finish one hero first per faction. And u will need 4 copies of a hero to ascend them to mythic or mythic plus where SI is unlocked

Too many legendary heroes mean less ascended heroes>slower progress

[prime cairn]

Ah thank you

[wicked pasture]

Hi guys, anyone knows how I can make my comp better? Or are my characters are just too weak for this stage?

Cant send my hero list screenshot for some reason

[south folio]

Try swapping shemira and Rowan positions

[wicked pasture]

Tried, but it didnt work for me

I am also thinking that I probably should try Grezhul but I am not sure

[south folio]

No Grezul won't work

What about Rosa instead of Pippa?

Make her follow Shemira

[wicked pasture]

I'll give it a try, but everytime I played with Rosa it seemed that she didn't have any impact

[south folio]

I suggest u to invest in the likes of eirron and Daimon if u manage to get 4 copies of them

Also don't make legendary heroes unless u have 4 copies of them

[wicked pasture]

Yeah, I'm waiting to remove Tharon and place Daimon because I saw that he is really powerful

[south folio]

Place Brutus on Crystal

He is a good frontliner

Thoran is more of a late game hero

He doesn't work in early game

[wicked pasture]

Okay, it's just this urge to make fast progress and to upgrade all the heroes immediately, but now I am saving a lot of "hero food" to use them for ascensions in the future

[cloud mural]

https://www.afk.global/beginners-guide#Levels_100-160

[wicked pasture]

Okay, just have to wait for the crystal to reload

[cloud mural]

^according to this guide, its better to focus to 5 fodder heroes to Legendary+ first

[south folio]

Try to upgrade or get the copies of Rowan,Tasi,Ferael,Daimon and Eironn. They are flexible and op both at early and late game

[fierce knoll]

any ideas on a good campaign team? im stuck at 11-16

[south folio]

Rowan Ferael Daimon Tasi lyca can beat a lot of teams early on

Nara and Eironn are good to have heroes against the likes of enemy Arden,Mehira,Belinda,Safiya etc

[trail prawn]

could somome help me? I tried afk helper but none of them worked.

[south folio]

Do u have Rowan?

If not try estrilda Talene front Daimon Ferael Silas back

Or u can try pulling Ferael with Eironn too

[trail prawn]

rowan is elite

[south folio]

Have u tried what I suggested above? If it doesn't work,try estrilda Talene Daimon Rowan ferael

[trail prawn]

k

the one with rowan worked thx

[south folio]

Ur welcome

[silk ibex]

I did it with

Ferael

Daimon
Silas
Brutus
Oden

But I think there's definitely better combinations out there

[silk ibex]

@south folio You think you got a solution for mine?

Lucius is very rapidly climbing the ladder of my most hated Heroes, for now it's Tasi > Estril > Athalia = Ezizh but Lucius is getting up there lol

[south folio]

What about Ferael lyca front Oden Rowan Daimon back?

[trail prawn]

athalia is mega annoying estrilda too

[south folio]

Should work but might need a bit of retries

[silk ibex]

Stuff's instantly dying without Brutus stall

[trail prawn]

i just use estrilda against estrilda when i see her so she doesnt cc my daimon shield, ferael terrify, or eironn pull

[south folio]

Try to swap Daimon position around. Have u tried Lyca Brutus Daimon Rowan Ferael too?

[silk ibex]

@south folio FL in front of Daimon has to either be Rowan with lucky dodges or Brutus otherwise he gets focused down, there's an annoying amount of CC. If Estril doesn't charge him down Raine will stun him

[south folio]

U can try placing Ferael in front of estrilda and place daimon in middle back slot

[silk ibex]

This combo did it. Putting Daimon in front and warping Lucius away with Oden. Daimon will 1v1 and kill Raine for early Ult. Rowan and Oden will be safe to Ult and Daimon can snowball from there.

185 attempts, still not my worst, iirc my highest on a single stage was like 360

[south folio]

Yup sometimes its just about changing the position of heroes. But there are multiple ways to beat some stages

[silk ibex]

@south folio Sometimes even something as small as an Artifact change can help me clear these stages, so yeah

[digital skiff]

Swap fera and oden places

[silk ibex]

I cleared that one, I'm stuck on another one now lol

[digital skiff]

Thoran cheese r1
Ainzbedo r2
Gbs r3
Luc r4

[silk ibex]

@digital skiff

[digital skiff]

Daimon
Brtus
Rowan
Lyca
Fera

[fiery wing]

done now thanks

almost bamboozeld on r1

[digital skiff]

Read pins on #classic-questions
Mirael to L+

[silk ibex]

Everything's dying really fast, maybe Lyca doesn't have enough dodge yet

Golus is literally one-tapping Rowan, Fera and Lyca

Did it, used

Oden

Fera
Rowan
Brutus
Daimon

And like that, Ch25 cleared woo \o/

[digital skiff]

Wowe

[cunning warren]

any ideas? my team dies quickly

[fiery wing]

get a better lucretia

[cunning warren]

wow that helps so much thanks

[fiery wing]

i mean thats the only way..

[light nacelle]

I can beat 2-5 just not flora

[digital pumice]

Should I upgrade my thesku to 180

[safe hazel]

read pinned guide in #classic-questions

you should probably do
oden
>hodgekin
rowan
>thesku
daimon

[mossy galleon]

Stuck for 5 days.. Can someone please help?

@safe hazel ya helped me the last time so I trust ur call.. Could ya help with this one too?

[safe hazel]

does thoran have survivability or does he get 1 shot?

[safe hazel]

swap daimon and rowan then swap nara for gywneth or tidus

if thoran has survivability keep him otherwise replace for L+ lyca

[mossy galleon]

@safe hazel he can survive a bit

He gets to ulti 1 or 2 times before he dies

[safe hazel]

lyca might be better try both though

[mossy galleon]

Okay I'll try that thnx alot

[golden trench]

Is there a way to deal with Isabella here, she just deals 2M damage at the start of the game

[cunning warren]

Nara

[golden trench]

Does it need to be Nara, or any other assasin like type, Framton, Cecilia, Athalia will also do the job?

[safe hazel]

try all of them but usually nara is best

[fiery slate]

Is Ainz better than Arthur?

[golden trench]

Okay, thanks

[safe hazel]

you need both for AAA

you can't really say which is better

if you're in need of a tank buy arthur if you want a carry get ainz @fiery slate

[fiery slate]

No the problem is that I just now got a ascended Lucius, and was wondering if I should used Lucius on Arthur or Ainz

[golden trench]

Nara can't kill her, she just die when Estrilda use that running across the screen skill, and cecilia can't even kill her too

Any more tips for killing her?

[safe hazel]

nara isn't meant to kill her just to interrupt isabella chanting

[golden trench]

Ahh, ic ic, do you think that level gapping is too far? I still can advance up to finish ch26 with that team right?

[safe hazel]

potentially

[sudden beacon]

How you guys get stronger

[safe hazel]

but you should probably put ferael and daimon on your furn wishlist so you can push that deficit easily

[safe hazel]

follow beginner guide in #classic-questions

[golden trench]

Alright, thanks for the helps

[safe hazel]

np do =furniture and it gives you furn wishlist i'd recommend following it

[cloud nexus]

(23rd December 2021 - added LDV, moved stuff around)

Bok's Guide for Beginner Furniture Wishlists (PVE).
Ainz Grezhul Lucretia Mishka should stay on, even if you don't have a single copy of them. Swap the rest around depending on your current ascensions (ask if you're unsure).
Faction tower furniture are of lower priority than campaign ones (notice the arrow before LB tower). You might not want to do some faction tower furniture in favour of other modes, depending on what you're interested in.
Use red cards (aka Mythic Order Forms) on Grezhul > Ainz/Skriath/Alna/Mishka > Lucretia.

Initial furniture wishlist for beginners
Ainz 9, Grezhul 9, Lucretia 9, Mishka 9, for the remaining 6 empty slots take your pick from below depending on which heroes are closest to being Ascended
Thoran 3 or 9 (notes), Daimon 3, Raku 3, Oden 9, Silas 3, Albedo 3, Ferael 9, Skriath 3, Kren 3, Leonardo da Vinci 3, Silas 9, Kren 9, Raine 3, Leonardo da Vinci 9, Prince of Persia 3, Arthur 3, Merlin 9, Nemora 9, Alna 9 (notes), Zolrath 3, Brutus 3, Estrilda 3 (Dark Nemora TR) > Gwyneth&Morrow 3 (LB tower), Tidus 3 and Skreg 9 (Mauler tower), Eironn&Tasi 3 (Wilder tower), Desira 3 and Izold 9 (GB tower)

Notes
Thoran - 9 reduces retry RNG; I advocate going for early event 5* Call frags (after Rowan and 2 carries' +30s). If you're willing to put up with more retries, then stop at 3.
Alna - 9 deserves red cards but the problem is that she's usually the second celepog for beginners (Lucretia is usually first to be done). This means you'll only get her to Ascended after about 1 year of playing, hence her "low" priority.
If you eventually gain an interest in competitive AE (Top 100 ranks) and/or PVP, ask other people for recommendations. This guide does not focus on those.

[safe hazel]

@golden trench follow this 100%

[golden trench]

Okay

[fiery wing]

need help i'm stuck idk what to use at r2 thoran cheese aint working wtf

[midnight bronze]

Did you pop all your resources to get lvl 321?

[fiery wing]

i still have 200k dust

[vagrant ibex]

1. Gb thoran grezz daimon silas fera
2. Ainz
3. Lucre
   4.raku charm

@digital pumice put daimon backline

[digital pumice]

I made it past it I’m at 16-2 now

[vagrant ibex]

put lyca,thoran,lorsan,nara brutus if you have them

They wud help you progress

[fossil bolt]

I feel like I’ve collected a lot of different heroes that make up different PvE teams, not necessarily ones that have synergy to make up one good team. Do y’all have any recs for a good lineup with these heroes to help with chapter progression? I’m ch 26.

[worthy oracle]

Thinking of swapping saurus for astar. Opinions?

Wrong chat, sorry!

[tight juniper]

Wrong chat lol but you can't swap engraved.

[pale kettle]

Who should I use?

[marsh ether]

Please correct me if this is the wrong place to ask about it - are there some people here who tried this Kren comp ch37+? It looks fairly low cost so I consider building and recommending it

[pale kettle]

WHO DO I USE????

[gentle juniper]

i suck ok

[pale kettle]

Bro who do I use

[gentle juniper]

idk im bad too

[pale kettle]

I am die and can’t win 😡😡😡

Ur shit is level 140

100 levels higher than mine

[gentle juniper]

i cant win too xD

i left afk arena a lot time ago idk if its good

[silk burrow]

i’d honestly recommend starting over but this time reading the beginner guide in #classic-questions

[gentle juniper]

why starting over

[pale kettle]

What about me

[silk burrow]

also since you haven’t played in a while you’ll be behind in everything so if you ever wanna play pvp you won’t be able to catch up

[violet igloo]

if you didn't spend any money, you can totally restart on a new server. Totally depends on you if you want to start fresh or not

[old oar]

Any ideas?

[violet igloo]

depends if you like PvP or not

[gentle juniper]

i don't

[pale kettle]

I keep die 😡

[silk burrow]

then just keep playing in that server but read the beginner guide

[pale kettle]

What about me

[coral pier]

Nobody likes pvp at crystal level 140, there is no depth to it

[old oar]

Go to #classic-questions

[violet igloo]

@old oar stop making heroes to L 😛 since your Carry is Antandra, I'd use Lyca to instead of Khasos, lyca will buff haste. Have you tried switching position Rowan & Brutus ?

[old oar]

I’ll try

[coral pier]

@gentle juniper Considering you are early game with kinda bad heroes and messed up ascensions as well as the fact that you are locked out of pvp I think the best way to move forward would be to start on a fresh server.

[violet igloo]

@pale kettle please go to #classic-questions and read the beginner's guide pinned in that channel, it'll answer your questions and be very helpful for you 👌

[gentle juniper]

okay then how to start over

[silk burrow]

settings and then change server

[fervent ruin]

What i can do with this

[silk burrow]

change to the newest one tho

[coral pier]

click top left->settings->select server->and then it will display s943 as "new"

[violet igloo]

click on your profile, settings, then new server and chose the highest number

[gentle juniper]

okay

[violet igloo]

also you can switch back to your original account

so it costs you nothing, you can even keep playing on both if you wish

[coral pier]

You won't even lose the original account, you can swap between them as much as you like

[gentle juniper]

lol

724 kinda old

[coral pier]

Yes going to the newest server means everyone in the server is also just starting out

[gentle juniper]

btw

[fervent ruin]

Maybe i will start a new game, maybe this will be better?

[gentle juniper]

so what should i know from this begginer guide

[coral pier]

That's what I would do, you can just go to select server and take the newest one to start over

[coral pier]

Well it is a pretty small guide so ideally everything but the most important thing is the recommended wishlist.

[gentle juniper]

okay

[fervent ruin]

Thanks, and i will have 2 accounts?

[gentle juniper]

tysm

[coral pier]

Yeah you can select server again and return to your old account.

[gentle juniper]

which heroes should i build?

[coral pier]

Well... the ones in the recommended wishlist. In a perfect world you would build Daimon first as he is a perfect carry to abuse for chapter 1-31. Also the order heavily depends on what hero copies you get first, early game priority is getting 5 ascended tier heroes. Btw, ask further non teambuilding related questions in #classic-questions

[silk burrow]

read the “before level 160”

[gentle juniper]

uh its too small

[silk burrow]

zoom in?

[gentle juniper]

nvm i opened it with 144p

[pale kettle]

Who to use plz help

[gentle juniper]

i dont understand it

[silk burrow]

ask about the parts you don't understand in #classic-questions

[pale kettle]

Bro

Is this a good team

[silk burrow]

no

[pale kettle]

What the heck do I use then

[safe hazel]

read the pins on #classic-questions

[pale kettle]

OML I DID

[silk burrow]

just use whatever you have that early you can’t make an actual team. fix you wishlist to the on in the beginner guide to get good heroes

[safe hazel]

then you should use wu kong

go on the wu kong event click share and then collect

[pale kettle]

Where is that

[safe hazel]

you just said you read the beginner guide on pins................

[silk burrow]

💀

[pale kettle]

I meant the event, idk why it replied to him

@safe hazel where is event

[safe hazel]

click campaign then event on left hand side

[pale kettle]

Flame reborn?

[safe hazel]

no it literally says Event

it's where you find bootcamp and the other stuff

[pale kettle]

What people do I use with him

[safe hazel]

just powerlevel to 100 and use hogan + supports listen in beginner guide

[pale kettle]

Which ones are support bro

[gentle juniper]

team?

[safe hazel]

read pinned guide and just powerlevel wu kong to 100

[gentle juniper]

should i use this starter dude or daimon

[pale kettle]

Is this a good team.
Silvina
Golus
Mirael
Hogan
Arden

[safe hazel]

wu kong

[safe hazel]

don't use only fodder in your lineup use a mix of fodder and A tier heroes from crystal

[gentle juniper]

i mean wu kong +

i use wukong, daimon, rowan, raku, silas rn

[safe hazel]

wu kong + hogan and daimon rowan arden

[pale kettle]

I was told not to

[safe hazel]

no one told you that

everyone told you not to level A tier heroes or ascend them but you can use them in a lineup

[safe hazel]

early game you want to aim towards getting 5 L+ fodder

[gentle juniper]

ik

[safe hazel]

but levelling wu kong and other heroes 20 levels behind should work for you

[serene falcon]

stuck here for a while, suggestion?

[gentle juniper]

i don't have arden

[safe hazel]

you can use any other cc support

[coral pier]

Your comp has some serious issues, not that you can fix them right now though. Why did you ascend those 4 first?

[gentle juniper]

nvm i do

[safe hazel]

exact lineup doesn't matter that early @gentle juniper

[serene falcon]

I have them first

[safe hazel]

you can use talene trial instead of arden as well that's exact comp i'm running on my alt

[serene falcon]

ascend most copy right?

not sure so I choose some

[safe hazel]

you should set wishlist to one in pinned guides in #classic-questions

[coral pier]

That's right, I was just wondering why you have Thane, Peggy and Khasos on wishlist

[serene falcon]

not sure so I choose some

[safe hazel]

the wishlist in pins makes it so that even if you get worst RNG possible you still do good

you could start on a new server but it's up to you

[serene falcon]

take long in new server?

[coral pier]

Nah don't restart because of that, it's not a massive deal but it just means you will progress the campaign slowly until you have some good units.

[pale kettle]

It sounded like you said what I said

[serene falcon]

btw

[safe hazel]

just set your wishlist to one in pins and try to fix your roster

[serene falcon]

is that outdated?

[pale kettle]

Who should I replace in my team (my alt account)

[serene falcon]

let me take a look

[safe hazel]

you can replace silvina with wu kong

[pale kettle]

Ok

[safe hazel]

make sure you do the talene event though

[pale kettle]

Don't have it on my alt

[safe hazel]

I'm on my alt rn and I got free 30M xp from it its very unbalanced

[pale kettle]

My alt only ch3

[safe hazel]

it scales down to your level as well

[safe hazel]

it unlocks pretty soon

[pale kettle]

I think ch4

[safe hazel]

just to note you can use A tier heroes as temporary substitutes say if you want to get mirael to L+ and use your hogan e+ as fodder or smth like that

[serene falcon]

if I follow that pinned wishlist I would get stuck at lv200

so many copies needed

is satrana any good?

[pale kettle]

Anyone else able to be replaced

[safe hazel]

you shouldn't need to replace anyone

[pale kettle]

Like could the mauler be replaced by lion

[safe hazel]

you can just use crystal you obviously want to get silvina back ASAP

[pale kettle]

Ok

[ruby helm]

Should I have Grezhul or an Elite+ Mirael as support?

[proper glade]

The brutus kills thoran after the 2nd ult... but I can't switch much because I'm power capped

Everyone else is dead at that point

[serene falcon]

@safe hazel

[safe hazel]

nah nrlly

[serene falcon]

7 copy, else only 3 max

[safe hazel]

maybe ask in #classic-questions

i've never really used her since i've always used the heroes in wishlist pretty much

[serene falcon]

ok thx

[naive hamlet]

i just can’t break through

[rain mural]

@safe hazel

[safe hazel]

you can skreg frontline +brutus then daimon silas oden can go backline

[rain mural]

And yet he still does the most damage lmao

[safe hazel]

have you not beat ch 14?

[rain mural]

I have

I’m on chapter 15

[safe hazel]

use brutus instead of arden and you're good i think

[rain mural]

Okay okay then. I have a shortage on artifacts though..

*gear

[safe hazel]

you will get gear easily

you will soon have an abundance of M gear even without buying any from guild shop

[rain mural]

Okay

[rain mural]

Okay

[safe hazel]

if you want you can buy M gear for your carry though

[rain mural]

I did I bought boots for oden

[safe hazel]

have you used the gear chest as well

[pale kettle]

Stuck need help

[rain mural]

I don’t have that

[safe hazel]

do you have any other int heroes in your formation who can use those boots

[rain mural]

Uh lemme check

Silas

[safe hazel]

yh in due time you can put those boots on silas and get GB int boots from the mythic gear selection

buy weapon next for oden as well since that's always second prio gear

[pale kettle]

@safe hazel?

[rain mural]

Oh okay

[pale kettle]

Just no oden

[safe hazel]

daimon
>hogan
astar
>thoran
arden

you don't have a lot of usable heroes though

[pale kettle]

Ok

(Not currently built) Stuck need help

[ruby helm]

I just got two Skriath’s out of a pull and made it into one Elite+ card. How can I add him into my current team? Since I’ve heard he’s a very good card

[pale kettle]

@safe hazel

[safe hazel]

did what I said not work?

[pale kettle]

It did this is a diff level

Stopped working

[safe hazel]

show the whole stage your side included with heroes i suggested

[pale kettle]

Tower?

[safe hazel]

mb heroes

[pale kettle]

Ok1

[safe hazel]

probably level niru instead of nara as well

[pale kettle]

Ok

Hoe could I pass?

[safe hazel]

swap daimon and astar

then you can swap thoran for niru or someone else who is better at tanking

[pale kettle]

Didn't work

[digital skiff]

Lvl mirael

Daimon
Thoran
Mirael
Hogan
Arden

[safe hazel]

i don't think he has L+ mirael though which is the problem

[digital skiff]

E mira works

[safe hazel]

how?

E mira at 140 will be better than L daimon at 140?

[digital skiff]

Bro

When the fuck did i say to not use daimon

[safe hazel]

oh yh mb i didnt read

mirael didn't seem to strong for me and i switched to daimon rowan quick so i'm just unsure

[digital skiff]

Mirael isn't worse then daimon

[safe hazel]

even at 160 L daimon vs L+ mirael

mirael seems to take up back middle spot as well which is very good for rowan

[digital skiff]

Not necessarily

Mira 160 is very good, one shots enemies

Help

[chilly kayak]

Any tips?

[final hazel]

🤕

[digital skiff]

Didn't work huh

[final hazel]

no

mireal is worse than daimon

[digital skiff]

Hm?

She's not

[final hazel]

she is

[digital skiff]

How

[final hazel]

Do u have daimon

[digital skiff]

Yes

[final hazel]

ok so you still saying that

[digital skiff]

L+ mirael out"performs" daimon

But I'm pretty new tho

[tight juniper]

Flora, Thoran, Ezizh, Lorsan, Pippa. Put 5*call on Pippa and Lorsan, eye on Thoran.

[summer cedar]

skriath is very good later, but awful early game. read the beginner pins

[gentle juniper]

pls team

[safe hazel]

wu kong is your team early keep 5 other supports/tanks 20 levels below

[gentle juniper]

can u tell me which to use

[safe hazel]

probably wu kong niru daimon mirael rowan

you want to start using fodder heroes (Legendary tier heroes) and stop using A tier heroes after summoning a bit more

look at beginner guide in #classic-questions as well

[gentle juniper]

i know

i readed it, i just started today at new server

whos mirael????

[safe hazel]

you can add me on my alt if you want I started yesterday and i'll be active constantly

[safe hazel]

fire witch red hair

[gentle juniper]

just 1 support???

[safe hazel]

yh it'll work

you will reset them soon since this is not permanent and resetting costs 20 diamonds

[gentle juniper]

ik

[crimson shale]

Everyone else just gets killed and then Daimon gets bursted down

[safe hazel]

Upgrade rowan SI to 10 at least if you can

Maybe rng or use kren

[crimson shale]

Him and Daimon are my SI work in progress right now

Gotcha

[mental glen]

I dont think you want to do frontline lyca unless she is stronger, use a tank in front

[slim spindle]

Best team to fire up into crystal got talene from a summon

[vagrant ibex]

Put lyca rowan kelthur onto crystal

[pale kettle]

Any thoughts my friends?

[vagrant ibex]

@crimson shale
You dont need ainz early on
Try Thoran brutus
Daimon rowam lyca/arden/nara

[crimson shale]

That's what I switched to, could probably pass this if I fiddled around with it, just got busy

[vagrant ibex]

Used kren and put safiya backline
Might be
Brutus skreg
Safiya kren wolf/mr totem

Try to Put daimon at mid backline and rowan number 3 or
Brutus daimon
Lyca rowan nara

[pale kettle]

No bueno for me @vagrant ibex

[sharp scaffold]

Having issues clearing this. Any advice?

[mental glen]

Shemira instead of lorsan

@sharp scaffold

[sharp scaffold]

Okay!

I'll give that a try

[sharp scaffold]

After adjusting a few things, she really helped. Thanks!

[rough frigate]

Help 😦 I get the crossed out fire 🔥 debuff (no idea what it is or who it’s from but it looks like it makes it so Daimon can’t ult? And everyone dies)

[tight juniper]

Ezizh. Try cc Eironn with Nara and replace Rowan. If you need to, replace her with Lyca if you need some buffs.

[rough frigate]

omg thanks. I replaced Rowan with Nara, moved Daimom to Thoran and replace Thoran with Lyca

I didn’t think I could use Nara to pull eironn

[rough frigate]

What about this one? Same box. Just wanna unlock the next peaks of time :(. I tried swapping nara and fera. Do I need Nara and Eironn together?

Nevermind, praise rng

[hushed apex]

Having trouble on this level, should I wait or is there any better formations?

[proper orchid]

Oh god your heroes

[summer cedar]

try Lyca Brutus Daimon Rowan Arden

[crimson shale]

I've actually gotten past there, soft stuck here

[proper orchid]

@hushed apex grez Antandra daimon lyca nemora

[hushed apex]

Alright ty

[rain oar]

is mortas a good replcaement for anyone in this team?

[elfin cloak]

i dont think so

[primal mist]

Mortas, like the Twins, doesn't really pop off in campaign. He can sometimes be used if you don't have a good healer, like Rowan or Silas/Desira

[rain oar]

kk ty

[primal mist]

Share your box pls

[primal mist]

Try this
Daimon

Secondary tank (Rowan, Saurus, Izold, Antandra, Awa Talene, Lucius)
Ferael
Brutus
Nara

[sage pewter]

some how won with ferael front row LOL

[primal mist]

Noice. He's a dodgy boy once he gets gear and ascensions, can be a tank against physical attackers 😄

Ferael + Rowan frontline is a strat I've used more than once

[primal mist]

Try Brutus for Rowan - if you have no mages, Silvi usually agroes onto Brutus, which should buy you more time

[sage pewter]

now shemira just insta ults

[prime cairn]

Can someone help me pls yes Ik that I got to many L

[primal mist]

Nara + Fera isn't enough? Oof. If you have a Thoran you can RC, throw it on and replace Talene with him for extra CC

[primal mist]

Try
Daimon

Thoran
Rowan
Brutus
Lyca/Tasi/Oden

[prime cairn]

Thank you

[sage pewter]

shemira so

busted

[primal mist]

She's whack. Really good early on, and then she tanks hard. And the nat some point she's usable again, but still not recommended

[paper horizon]

Hey im new looking for a good lineup nd what hero should I buy from labyrinth store?

[vagrant ibex]

@pale kettle try this

[strange tide]

Any idea what I can do to beat 16-40

[prime cairn]

Maybe try Talene and Brutus in the front and back line Shemira, Lyca and Tasi.

[vagrant ibex]

@strange tide
Rowan brutus
Shem lyca nara

@paper horizon keep pull on graveborn . Daimom shud be priority

[strange tide]

@vagrant ibex that didn’t work at all lol they got eaten within 10 seconds

[vagrant ibex]

@pale kettle
Rowan brutus
Daimon lyca nara
Or
Rowan brutus
Daimon eiron nara

@strange tide because of arden?

[strange tide]

I believe kaz is the killer

[vagrant ibex]

Ye thats why put brutus i ln front of her
1.rowan 2brutus
3shemira 4lyca 5nara/tasi/maid

Use energy artifact on shemira

[main lake]

Any recommendation for a good fromation ?

I am at chapter 7 and havent started to struggle yet but thats cos talene i think

[vagrant ibex]

Keep going on and dont make any lagendary if you lack of copies... unless its a daimon

[main lake]

Okie then

[vagrant ibex]

Put thoran ferael eiron arden on crystal

[strange tide]

@vagrant ibex same thing as before Rowan dies instantly then followed everyone else

[vagrant ibex]

Lucius then

Luci brutus
Shem lyca/rowan nara
If you cant dodge arden root then replace with tasi or lyca

[strange tide]

I guess ima need to just keep playing get some summons and gear. I only have a few pieces of mythic and I think that might be making the difference

Cause I’m not even close to killing one person let alone winning

[vagrant ibex]

Ouch i think you can beat them cus your shem is 180.. shem just need to launch utility fastly and pair with maid its even better

But ye might be gear

[strange tide]

That’s what I thought. I have a few friends that are really far behind in lvls and ascensions and still beat it

[vagrant ibex]

Try to put mehira to boost def
Or even talene .

Ye shem is kinda outdate ... ppl use daimon nowadays

[strange tide]

Yea that’s what I have been reading. I just don’t have the copies. I’ll give them a try

[vagrant ibex]

Also you need heroes like fera thoran lorsan on your bag

Ye try with mehira and she tank enough i guess

[pale kettle]

my nara is elite and brutus is elite+

[strange tide]

So do I spend gyms on buying gear or ? @vagrant ibex

[raven egret]

Can’t get this one done. Any suggestions?

[vagrant ibex]

@strange tide no dont spent gems for gears... you can get them on campaign but forgot at what chapter

I personally like to spent all of gems on stargaze when i reach ch 16... and spent all free stuff on graveborns .. but its ma play style tho you can choose what you wanna do and dont buy ainz early on i must say

@raven egret yes you can
Daimom brutus
Tasi rowan new hero/eiron/talene

[raven egret]

Just grabbed new talene too

Nah ain’t working. I just need to get to 16-1 so bad

[silk burrow]

yeah don’t recommend that others

[vagrant ibex]

Whut ofc you can do dat since your daimon is overlevel tahn enemies

[silk burrow]

you don’t have enough heroes built up by ch16 so you have to keep doing 10 pulls.

in the later chapters you’ll need 5 teams to beat a boss stage so you should start stargazing with diamonds when you have at least 3 good teams

[vagrant ibex]

You can do dat if you have daimon and focus on him early on tho

[silk burrow]

with diamonds you can’t

and you shouldn’t
not until later at least

[strange tide]

How do you get einz

[silk burrow]

through garrison

[strange tide]

When you get him what is his grade?

[silk burrow]

E, and then you link him to another hero and he gets said hero’s ascension. for more questions unrelated to lineups go to #classic-questions

[strange tide]

Ok I’m sorry and thank you

[vagrant ibex]

Yow i do dat trick on ma 2nd acc and its cool dont even spent dollar on it and like i said free stuff is nicely on this game you just need to have a gud strategy
Why do i spent gems on stargaze early on ? Because its easier to get the heroes and when you reach high lvl acc its harder i guess so

But ye like i said just do what you wanna do

[raven egret]

I cannot complete the last stage of 15. It’s frustrating. I need to get to 16 because I have 50 pulls at temple AND stargaze. Which will give me a huge bump

[vagrant ibex]

Yes you can Since you have myth daimon .. just need 1-2 tank and cc

Show picture of the last stage

[raven egret]

I’ve tried every combo I have. And I get so close each time

[vagrant ibex]

Do you have nara?

[raven egret]

Yeah only epic. I can make epic+ with my pick one chest

[vagrant ibex]

Try
Brutus talene
Daimon tasi and the nun light bearer i forgot the namae

Ye pit her on crystal even elote she is helpful..

[strange tide]

@vagrant ibex I beat it!!!! I garrisoned ainz and beat it!!! Thank you so much for you help

[vagrant ibex]

Try to pull isabela using nara hook

[raven egret]

Okay I’d hate to waste a choice chest on Nara

[vagrant ibex]

Okie np but i dont suggest using ainz early on unles you have albedo or spent all resources onto ainz to make him great but whatever since you did the stage congrats btw

Whut you said you have her elite eh . 1 copies is enough just put her onto crystal

@strange tide dont forget you need to garrison 6 times to really get him

[raven egret]

I got an alright Ainz given I’ve only been on this account for a little less than a month

[vagrant ibex]

Its ok if you like to garrison him ... but you know he need albedo to be shine early he might be gud but when you reach mid to late he is kinda squishy also you need bunch of resources to make dimensionals team

[raven egret]

I heard I need albedo too. I can garrison her now but won’t have enough to garrison again this coming month. Now if albedo is good by herself within a team then I’ll do that now

[vagrant ibex]

Ye if you wanna focus on ainz .. albedo is a must its way take much times but when you get them both you could be superrior on any mode

[raven egret]

I can link Albedo to a leg+. I hope she’s good enough there

My issue is I can’t garrison both next time later on in games. I can now easily.

[vagrant ibex]

Nope she needs si 30 hehe

You can read the skills tho just to make sure

[raven egret]

Unless 17 days is enough to get enough resources for 200 dimensional coins again