lineup-help

[echo basin]

@safe hazel doesn't work:( can't seem to do enough damage to kill them

[orchid ridge]

Who goes best with ascended thoran? Stuck at ch10

[safe hazel]

Show your whole box

[supple mantle]

Any ideas why this isn’t working ?

[undone herald]

What isnt?

[humble zodiac]

try tidus bottom row

also change artifact of tidus to dura's call, i remember having trouble using that comps, swapping tidus position to lucretia and gives him dura's call solves the problem

[echo basin]

@safe hazel

[safe hazel]

Can you post the stage again as well

[modern kelp]

Anyone have a working comp around my lvl ? Kinda want that FoS unlock

With artifacts :

[gaunt dragon]

Any idea for cheesing tbis? Thoran is able to get 2 ults off but lyca usually survives and talene resurrects

[cunning warren]

need help for this, can’t kill the Lucius before he ults

[echo basin]

@safe hazel

[safe hazel]

try
oden

     > hogan

rowan

     > daimon

morrow/rosa/
nara

[echo basin]

Thanks! Will do

[copper jacinth]

How to deal with this miner dude?

[tight juniper]

Try putting Brutus in Albedo's place I guess

[summer cedar]

Flora shouldn't be equipping WW since she can't take damage to activate it. Give WotA or Eye. Also I'd prolly run Atha with DD. That said, have you tried the pinned site? Since this is the last stage you need to clear for FoS, can you merc?

[modern kelp]

I actually manage to pass this stage by swaping Athalia to DD and Thalene to Blade, took me around 30 retry

and I had +1 lvl on ranged tree, i tried to merc a 209 Flora but the guy didn't repspond so went full retry to pass this stage as i saw on AfkHelper that one guy did pass it with same comp

[summer cedar]

you need Fera and/or Tasi to counter Luci. Either stop his energy production or CC him so he simply can't ult

[pale kettle]

Hi, is there enough good champs here for 4 decent teams?
Any suggestions?

[cunning warren]

i have fera and tasi at L but they die quickly

[summer cedar]

thoran, gbs, Luc, and either daimon or izold carry

[mortal mural]

What’s a good alna grez team? I was thinking alna grez damion silas tasi, is that decent?

[summer cedar]

that's a budget version that's serviceable. oden silas fera is the most common backline but daimon and tasi can flex

[mortal mural]

What furn and si do oden and fera need to use that team?

[summer cedar]

200 minimum but anything else is a big help too

[pale kettle]

I asked for teams not team names, but thanks anyways

[undone herald]

Help im stuck

[dull flame]

send the stage?

[thorny fulcrum]

I've recently acquired Tasi, Nemora, and the twins. I have one open spot on the resonater crystal, and I am stuck at 12-4. Is there a specific hero from my three recent heroes above that can helpe get through ch12? Or a general strategy change with my crystal? Thank you!

[cunning warren]

need help

[fiery wing]

full box?

[cunning warren]

don’t question the Ls

[fiery wing]

try

fereal (no weapon/eye)

thoran
eirron
brutus
daimon

[cunning warren]

don’t have gear leveled for thoran

[naive remnant]

Stuck here for 2 days, I reset wu kong today and put it into mirael but that was even worse. 3 spots in my crystal

[upbeat fossil]

i suspect u haven't been following the pinned beginner guides in #classic-questions

[naive remnant]

I did

That's why I reset wu kong, because he was feeling weak, but I think I'm just out-leveled. If you see something I've done wrong then I would very much like to know what it is

[summer cedar]

try nemo at 3. she should charm isa

[lean basin]

Can someone save me from my torment?

[summer cedar]

did u try the site? this is a very common wall

[lean basin]

I can check the site thanks

[fiery wing]

replace lucius with rowan then put fereal at rowan's place

[lean basin]

Thanks

[fiery wing]

hoooow???

[naive remnant]

I put Rowan, lyca and Daimon in the crystal, immediately progressed a bit.
What have I done wrong in terms of the beginner guide?

[upbeat fossil]

in my guide i gave levelling steps
Daimon is your carry, not WK/Mirael

[naive remnant]

In both the guides I got Daimon is only the carry if you have 4 copies or more. I only have him at E

But I am more than happy to make him my carry, I guess I should keep him until I get everyone to 100 then?

[rain mural]

H-help…

[naive remnant]

Ok, thank you VERY MUCH for that. Daimon is just a lot better.

[upbeat fossil]

i did mention in my guide use him even at just E

[rain mural]

Anyone?

[naive remnant]

Ah, it's link #2. I read #3 which doesn't mention Daimon early on. What do you recommend I put in my line-up then? I realize that I'm limited by xp gain now that the story mobs are lvl100 and I'm still at 100, 81, 81, 81, 80

[upbeat fossil]

my guide has a list of heroes u can choose from. read it

[naive remnant]

I'll experiment, try out which of your recommendations works best based on my roster

[potent citrus]

If you're stuck below chapter36. Feel free to dm me your heroes and the stage heroes. I might help you

[rain mural]

Help idk who to use or upgrade

[upbeat fossil]

read my pinned msg in #classic-questions

[winged mica]

Dude I read your guide but there is no information for 8 copy daimon progress can u help me ? 🙂

[upbeat fossil]

u have 8 Daimons?

[winged mica]

Yeap lucky me 😅

160 140 140 140 is so hard to make I am stucked at chapter 13

Maybe reset daimon ? And 150 150 150 ? But I am newbie it could be a silly way:D

They suggest daimon m +20 on my way 👍🏻

[upbeat fossil]

ok u need 2 more Daimons for Ascended, he'll be your first ascension priority
but for now, prioritise his ascensions, his levels, his SI20 over everything else
so your goal now is to get the other 4 fodder to Lv.140, then get Daimon to Lv.180

once u have enough GB fodder (3-skill heroes, dont use 4-skill ones as fodder for now!), get Daimon to M+
raising Daimon's ascensions will raise his maximum level so that u can keep levelling him
basically he is your #1 priority now
put him on the frontline for now too, he can tank early game as stated in my guide

[pale kettle]

+20 is what make Daimon viable

[upbeat fossil]

early game he carries better than Mirael/WK even at just E

[winged mica]

7 copy and 1 Hsc I will make it 8
And I have 50 fanction scroll waiting gb
I am your student I am following your guide ❤️ thanks for help ☺️

[pale kettle]

yes, even more and more viable i mean

[rain mural]

@upbeat fossil may you please personally help me on this?

I need to sleep soon and I don’t know any basics either

[upbeat fossil]

then go to sleep and read what i told u to read earlier when u wake up

[rain mural]

Ugh fine but I don’t even know what the character you wanted me to get looks like

[upbeat fossil]

list their names

[rain mural]

These are my characters can you just simply gimme a quick team comp?

I can read the rest on how to upgrade

[rain mural]

Well first there’s daimon

[upbeat fossil]

u dont have him
u can just look at your heroes and read their names and see if they're mentioned in my guide

fodder heroes are in Heroes > Portraits > scroll down till u see Legendary Tier Heroes

[rain mural]

Okay yeah I saw daimon

@upbeat fossil you think my characters are good enough? And who should I ascend/prioritize for now?

I’m kinda overwhelmed I just got a bunch a new characters

[upbeat fossil]

literally explained in the guide

[rain mural]

Ugh yeah fine

Ok den

@upbeat fossil also why is it bad for me to

Go past elite +

[upbeat fossil]

that is a 3-skill hero

i only said dont go past Elite for 4-skill heroes

play the game first and explore

[rain mural]

Ok den

[fiery wing]

fodders

[rain mural]

Who? @fiery wing

[fiery wing]

that

[pale kettle]

Any ideas?

[twilit turtle]

@pale kettle Try it this way. A new girl in the empty space

[south radish]

Any ideas

[old oar]

Any ideas? Only need help with second

[fiery wing]

ainz

grez
eirron
lyca/tasi
brutus

[whole cliff]

how can i beat this?

[hybrid nexus]

Any help would be great 🤷‍♀️

[fiery wing]

show full hero box

[pale kettle]

reset shem to 160 and get daimon to 160,
use nara against isa and remove gwyn

[gentle kayak]

Rowan has si30

[hybrid nexus]

Alr ty, I'll give it a go

[royal stag]

Brutus, Rowan, Ferael, PoP/Astar, Daimon

[gentle kayak]

PoP?

[royal stag]

Prince of Persia

[gentle kayak]

Oh he connected with fera

[royal stag]

Then use Astar

[gentle kayak]

Ye ye

[cunning warren]

nvm just beat it

[safe hazel]

Help?

[magic oriole]

not thoran. even fera tanks more than thoran. maybe try pippa teleporting daimon or something

or just fera in front of daimon

or astar in front of daimon

[safe hazel]

Astar frontline works but the problem is that ainz ult doesn’t do enough damage

Would gear help him output more damage through his ultra right?

[magic oriole]

yeah i recommend getting albedo asap

[magic oriole]

no, +30 will

[safe hazel]

I’m too broke for that ☹️

[magic oriole]

dw she also needs +30 to work lol

[safe hazel]

I really need to save up red chests then 😂

I’ve been grabbing everything except for red chests the past events

[magic oriole]

oh that's no good

[loud pebble]

Ayo guys i tried a hour to do this but every combination just didn’t work, asking you for help and hope you will give me an answer

[naive hamlet]

Rowan for tasi and put him in the middle

[obsidian pike]

@loud pebble
Best advice I could give you is try to increase thw ascencion tier of your main line up to get their sig. weapons. I know it'e probably not the advice you were looking for but it is a requirment

[naive hamlet]

Also what ascension do I need for the twins to make them usable?

[loud pebble]

E+

[loud pebble]

Didn’t work @obsidian pike Thanks for the advice

[naive hamlet]

Have u tried using eirron for the shemira?

[obsidian pike]

Problem with Eironn is that he can die very quickly if you don't have the right comp

[naive hamlet]

I usually let him die… I just use him to pull in the dudes with high dps

[obsidian pike]

Eironn does he a strong ultimate that does damage and can freeze enemies

[pale kettle]

help?

[safe hazel]

Daimon and thoran frontline mirael back middle and oden and framton either side

[frosty robin]

guys is there any other team that doesn't include Celestials and Hypogean's that's as strong as this lineup?

[naive remnant]

Can someone explain how I can beat this level? As in, why I should put unit X in spot Y?

[real schooner]

Reset one of your heroes into Wu Kong. Wu is a better carry <lv 100. And maybe reset a couple so you can make Wu Kong level 100 alongside or instead of Daimon.

[frosty robin]

Try this, but your heroes are low level. You may just need to power up a for a few days

[magic oriole]

daimon is significantly better, but wukong could be better than silvina

[south radish]

Any ideas on how can i pass this while i still have astar

[naive remnant]

Can you explain why you pick those positions?

[magic oriole]

try the same thing I suggested before but keep in mind that silvina will target your weakest mage. shift gear around to make sure oden doesnt die

[frosty robin]

@naive remnant tanks up front, no reason really for backline order, just what I would try

[real schooner]

Based on other clears, you'll probably want to use a Daimon or Ainz comp

[magic oriole]

@naive remnant
daimon in 1 :he is relatively tanky, and damage gives energy
silvina in 2: she is just a distraction and faction boost
oden in 3: he teleports the enemy in front of daimon away, and keeps enemies from ulting and moving freely
rowan in 4: he heals everyone
lyca in 5: she adds a speed boost so daimon can ult quicker

[magic oriole]

lyca can be swapped for arden

[south radish]

I need some sort of comp

I still have eironand lyca to use

[real schooner]

I dunno what your heroes are. Ainz comp is pretty standardized: Arthur, Albedo, Ainz, supports

[south radish]

Oh

[real schooner]

Daimon comp is more flexible. Basically Daimon and supports and tanks.

[south radish]

I mean i did send two screensthots with my roster

Can really send the box since im in the mqrch

Daimon is 1*

Donr have albedo ornarthur since i dont hqve any friends that own albedo

[real schooner]

Probably better for you to just look at the afkhelper comps directly then:
https://afkhelper.nax.is/campaign.php?chapter=33&stage=60

Daimon comp might be a better bet for you then. You can see examples in the screenshots. Replace the heroes you don't have with heroes you do have. If you look at enough screenshots, there's a lot of variety in the Daimon approach.

Maybe this one?
https://afkhelper.nax.is/images/chapters/33-60_1624115848.webp

Seems pretty low investment. The Oden in that comp is clearly not ascended, and only Daimon and Tasi survived.

[split oasis]

How to beat this Brutus?

[faint current]

Can you post the screen before battle starts along with your roster?

[faint current]

You’ll usually need +30 Thoran to cheese Brutus

[split oasis]

Yeah, same thought, but I only got ~600 red chest, and was told to save them

[faint current]

Thoran +30 is currently such high priority that you can safely do him

Same with Rowan that you already have

Other choices are “depends” so if you want to save before committing on other ones sure

[split oasis]

Like? Who needs all those red chests anyways?

[faint current]

It’s 300 per +30 which isn’t cheap so the lower your $ spending the more super careful you should be with choosing who gets +30

[split oasis]

I'm f2p lol, zero spending

[faint current]

Yeah so then you need to spend those carefully

[winged mica]

Oh bro ❤️‍🩹 hard to play f2p , i wish i have just 100dollars for game 😅 😄

[faint current]

Daimon is a good choice for +30 once you already have 5 teams viable, kren is probably a good +30 but I don’t have enough personal experience with him

As you ascend more and more heroes you’ll have more options

[split oasis]

After this event I'll have almost 900 chest so 3 Si30s...

[split oasis]

What's the safest choice now?
I'm liking Thoran cheese, how much can I use him to push campaign tho? All the way or are there spaces where he's unusable?

[faint current]

Thoran cheese actually gets easier to use the more you push, that’s why ppl were telling you to use a different real right now.

Once you get to multibattle, you are able to use him against teams that don’t counter him.

For example, you’ll have an insanely hard time using cheese vs ezizh

[split oasis]

Yes I hate Ezizh, I never was able to cheese an Ezizh team before

[faint current]

It’s extremely difficult and potentially often actually impossible

[split oasis]

I had to copy a team from Afkhelper

[faint current]

Out of curiosity what did you end up using?

Cheesing Brutus without Thoran +30 needs a solution

[split oasis]

I had to use a daimon in the end

I regret not finding a solution 😐

[split oasis]

A kelthur could help, but when I use him I don't end up killed everyone, so I had to take him out and use nara instead

[dreamy plaza]

What's the actual best lineup for Hunter's Feast?
I went with Saurus, Rowan, Rosa, Twins and Belinda

[winged mica]

I think I must change uldum with fareal in rc

[pale kettle]

Thoran can be used forever in campaign dw

[pale kettle]

Front Top Front Bottom Back Top Back Middle Back Bottom
Saurus Rosaline Twins Raine Warek
Chaos Bringer, Dura's Blade, Dura's Call, Dura's Eye, Chaos Bringer

[winged mica]

Done

[dreamy plaza]

Alrighty I'ma try that :) thx

[primal mist]

Twisted Realm lineup recommendations? I just unlocked it, no idea what works well

[warm swan]

@primal mist tr bosses changes every 2 days. Your best reference is to copy from your leaderboard, not from the whales at the top obv, but as close as you can get. Mercs can be used as well so use it to your advantage. Good news is you got mortas and twins there which are used in almost all of the bosses.

[stable ember]

Alt has been stalled here a bit, bouncing around daimon and mirael without much luck either way

[keen flame]

i require assistance

[wheat scarab]

Help. Not even trial Framton can stop them

[surreal brook]

@humble apex

[humble apex]

Hmm, level deficit should be fine. This was the gear I used

[surreal brook]

Everything I have is the same besides thoran call

[humble apex]

iirc thoran needs to crit izold, so eye helps reduce the number of retries needed

[surreal brook]

0 furn and not 3 or 9?

[humble apex]

Shouldn’t make a difference

Most people used the comp with 3f

[surreal brook]

I'm using 3 atm

I cN try eye instead

[humble apex]

Oh I forgot it’s the same stage as -36. This comp was more consistent for me if your Brutus is still available @surreal brook

[surreal brook]

I'm using Brutus in the Lucretia 5 pull cause it goes against a thoran

He dies as thoran is resurrecting so she can kill him

[humble apex]

I used Luc gorvo Queen eironn Skriath for r2, but either comp should work for the cheese

[surreal brook]

Okay

I'm trying the comp replacing Brutus with gorvo, havnt won yet but only retried like 60 times

[naive remnant]

I'm really struggling here, any suggestions? I also have 1 spot free in my crystal

[surreal brook]

I got the gorvo kill, the Brutus thoran team thoran hasn't even ulted once

[humble apex]

Try taking off kelthur’s gear (just leave call)

[naive hamlet]

Slide the Brutus over and then put in lyca for antandra?

[surreal brook]

I don't even know how many retries it took. I was one away from giving up when I saw thoran ult a second time and miss tidus, I then knew it was possible

[humble apex]

[wheat scarab]

help?

[west sandal]

I know I should be able to beat this but I just cant figure it out. So far all I know is eiron needs to be there to pull the safiya

[maiden marsh]

Try rowan arthur eironn leo daimon

[lean basin]

Tried fereal and eironn but theyre simply too weak atm. Any other options with astar?

[magic oriole]

Talene across from athalia, Astar where talene is rn

Or put Rowan front line and use tasi or numisu

[lean basin]

Ok ill try thanks

[magic oriole]

If Astar dies too fast you can try swapping Astar and rowan

[lean basin]

Will do

It seems they were destined to die. Thanks for help

Astar couldnt get dmg off in front line lmao

[fiery wing]

help me i want that FoS unlocked dang it

[magic oriole]

i mean she's pretty much just there for the shield and perhaps so she can get her ult out

[lean basin]

She rarely does in the back row unfortunately. Everyone is far too squishy or lacking in damage. Need to work on my cc if i hope to survive after this stage

[naive remnant]

Should I evolve Mira to L and make her my main carry? I don't have more Daimon, and I just received the chapter 8 xp boost

[magic oriole]

generally yes, but she need not be your main carry. you can just use her for levels. In any case, you should experiment with what works best

[naive remnant]

Never mind, I don't have the fodder to make anyone L

[magic oriole]

you have fodder for mirael

[naive remnant]

Which ones?

[magic oriole]

2 hendricks and another copy of herself for L+

not hendrick hogan ffs

[naive remnant]

Shouldn't I keep the copies of herself?

Hogan i assume

[magic oriole]

for what? They are used to ascend her, which is what im saying to do

[naive remnant]

Ah, I thought there were some stages that required dupes, so I've been making sure that I will have 4 E+ mira

[magic oriole]

dupes can never be used, don't worry

[naive remnant]

So feed her 1 Mira and 1 hogan, and keep the spare hogan?

[magic oriole]

umm no, feed 2 hogan and use the mira to get her to L+

[naive remnant]

Do I need to reset hogan or will fusing them give me the xp and powder back?

[magic oriole]

you need e+ copies of the same hero to ascend to L+, and you need 2 L+ copies to ascend to A, tho you need not worry about that yet

[magic oriole]

i am actually not sure, but I'd reset just in case. 20 diamonds are nothing

[pale kettle]

@naive remnant It will give you back all of your resources yes, it's better than spending 20 diamonds. This also works if you turn an ascended hero into a star

[magic oriole]

ah good i'll keep that in mind

it's really scary tho lol

[naive remnant]

Do I make here L+ immediately?

I have 3 or 4 R+ units of her

[pale kettle]

I think it says on screen that you will get all resources back when you try it @magic oriole

[naive remnant]

It doesn't

Answer is yes, but it doesn't say on screen that you will

[pale kettle]

My bad, good to know @naive remnant

[naive remnant]

No worries, it was meant to inform not to correct you 🙂

[dreamy plaza]

Any ideas?

Can't get past desiras healing

[naive remnant]

Which units should I put in my crystal? I have 5 slots, my biggest issue for now is that I don't have a good healer

[pale kettle]

What is the best merc for this stage?

[safe hazel]

just put silas on your gb wishlist and try to obtain a copy

rowan would be nice but he's gonna steal mirael's spot back middle

[naive remnant]

I'm running him on slot3 right now, isn't particularly good

[naive remnant]

What's better: Daimon and Mira at lvl120 or Daimon at 100 and Mira at lvl140?

[fiery wing]

what daimon ascencion at?

replace saveas with numisu

[ocean solar]

help plz

[naive remnant]

E+, Mira is L+

[ocean solar]

[fiery wing]

mirael 140 even to 160

[faint current]

Try saurus arthur Framton <new hero> oden

In positions 12345

[naive remnant]

I don't have enough powder for that, that's why I'm considering resetting Daimon until I get 1100 more so I can run Mira at 140

[ocean solar]

ok thx

[faint current]

Did it work? If not there’s a guide https://cdn.afk.guide/wp-content/uploads/2021/12/astar-bountiful-trial-guide-1-1024x607.jpg

I don’t use the guides for these anymore

[fiery wing]

hmm just wait for hero essence

[faint current]

But if you’re not great at building teams then they help

[fiery wing]

i still need this

mehira is too tanky wtf

[faint current]

Interrupt her bats

Make sure whatever you use to interrupt her bats is fast enough to actually stop her. In the gif I had to use call on Nara

[fiery wing]

fereal is good at doing that at good rng but sometimes fereal doesnt survived enough

[faint current]

Ferael is fast enough to stop her summoning bats? Are you sure?

[fiery wing]

like the fears

[naive remnant]

So keep both at 120? Struggling to progress so I thought 140+100 would be more efficient

[faint current]

Yeah those are way too slow if I’m not mistaken.

He attacks before fearing

Nara pulls right away and even that is sometimes too slow

[fiery wing]

hmmm what comp should i use?

i can do nara but who else

[faint current]

Oh there’s double Mehira on that stage

Hooooo boy

[fiery wing]

yea double mehira sucks and it has fereal on top of that

my best rng is mehira and thoran alive

[drowsy gazelle]

U cant use the clear from lowest clear?

[fiery wing]

the lowest clear was thoran cheese, then lucretia 5 pull

[drowsy gazelle]

Isnt it luc 5p at 450?

[fiery wing]

my lucretia isnt strong enough

power cap

[drowsy gazelle]

Oh rip

[fiery wing]

the ainz comp clear it has ezio and talene fuuck

maybe i should wait until merc reset

[drowsy gazelle]

Its been so long that i dont even rmb what i used

[winter lion]

good daimon carry team?

[pale kettle]

daimon
-thoran
eironn
-lyca
ferael

[winged mica]

Need help anyone here ?

[winter lion]

why lyca in front? and should i use eironn later when he gets to like mythical

[tight juniper]

Lyca used for haste and energy, thats all.

[pale kettle]

eironn for pull, trust me i pushed with this team

daimon ults very quickly

[winter lion]

oh ok ty

[pale kettle]

still working at chapter 25

[winter lion]

damn

[winged mica]

Help pls

Dont have eiron 😦

[pale kettle]

daimon
-thoran
ferael
-lyca
oden

all backline positions can be interchangable, lyca must be at front, grace for daimon if you cant tank, call if you lack energy

[winged mica]

Thx

Which duran items do u use for them

It works but tried like 15 times 😄

I trusted u thx 😅

[whole cliff]

how to dub?

[naive remnant]

What am I doing wrong?

[pale kettle]

Idea for formations?

[naive remnant]

1. Daimon, 2. Lyca, 3. Oden, 4. Maid, 5. Arden

[pale kettle]

👍

[naive remnant]

I'm a newbie, though

[tight juniper]

Who's killing you mainly?

[pale kettle]

I am at chapter 9

[tight juniper]

You got Nara? Who's killing your team? Shem, Fera, or Isa?

[naive remnant]

Silvana

[tight juniper]

You got Nara or Athalia? Oh nvm

[naive remnant]

Nara in Crystal at 100, she dies

Need 4800 powder so I can get everyone to 101

[tight juniper]

Daimon, Brutus/Thoran, Arden, Nara, Mirael?

If you don't have either Brutus or Thoran, replace with Lyca.

[naive remnant]

Death, Mirael doesn't even ult

[tight juniper]

Silvinia ults?

[naive remnant]

She 2-shots arden

[tight juniper]

Nara doesn't grab Silvinia?

[naive remnant]

No

Also Nara dies in like 4 seconds

I really need silas

[tight juniper]

Weird. Maybe replace Lyca with that centaur dude (I forgot his name). Or try Daimon, Lyca Oden, Nara, Mira.

[stable ember]

Nara usually does die quick but she should be able to get a pull off for the initial stun. Definitely swap in lyca, haste is incredibly powerful.

[naive hamlet]

Is lyca better than twins if you can’t get them to alt?

[naive hamlet]

This is just completely crushing me

[pliant kindle]

Formations help?

[naive hamlet]

Use stitchy

[rough kite]

New player questions, could you all please look at my album below and advise?

What party composition should I run?

Who should I ascend?

I just don't know what I'm doing and don't want to gimp myself.

https://photos.app.goo.gl/ZuvPoYGZK6FEiXd1A

[grand perch]

Hello @rough kite,

Please check out the pinned messages/guides in the #classic-questions and #lineup-help channels.

[pale kettle]

@naive hamlet You should put Brutus in to protect Daimon. At level 144 he unlocks invulnerability for a certain amount of time, even at Elite

here's all my heroes any recommendations?

currently its thoran astar wukong saurus and eironn

I dont know how to fit in lyca/ rosaline/ rowan/ tasi

thanksss

[naive hamlet]

I have griz ascended now, and I’m guessing that’s going to be better than Brutus

[pale kettle]

@naive hamlet Grezhul can be kind of fragile, he is often seen together with Alna for that reason. Brutus is one of the best tank in the game no matter what due to his invulnerability

[naive hamlet]

Isn’t thoran just better tho…

[pale kettle]

they're all really good but I find them too squishy my team keeps dying without a proper healer

I was thinking of replacing wukong with one of them

[stable ember]

Rowan doesn't need to stay alive, the cart remains regardless. Lyca also is mainly for the haste to start, and doesn't matter if she dies either. Both can be used as one of your Frontline spots as well.

[pale kettle]

oh hey that's nice

who should I swap out tho

[stable ember]

And haste is hugely powerful. An e copy of lyca will still be useful in high 20s chapter

[pale kettle]

okii so lyca got it

[stable ember]

I would go something like thoran/lyca frontline, wu-kong/rowan/(any support/cc unit). Nara is useful for that last slot.

[pale kettle]

hmmmm my eironn tho

I dont like wu-kong that much is he really that good

[stable ember]

For where you are he is solid. But very soon he will fall off which is where you switch to other carries like Mirael.

Make sure you read the beginner guides pinned in #classic-questions. They go over the entirety of the early game in detail.

[pale kettle]

ah ok thankss

is saurus or eironn better?

coz lyca uses the same gear as eironn and I need gear desperately

[stable ember]

For you probably eironn. Saurus takes more investment to make work I think. It is annoying but you can always take off all gear and only put it on whichever 5 you're trying in a given lineup

[pale kettle]

hmm ok because currently he does more damage than eironn

[stable ember]

That said you're still early enough that you should be mainly focusing on building your first 5 fodder heroes to prepare for later down the line, otherwise you will hit a level wall soon

[pale kettle]

okiiii

thank qqq

btw astar seems amazing

[pale kettle]

She heals and does so much damage

[primal mist]

I feel like I've tried every permuation except the right one, and I've just been missing something obvious. Any ideas?

[stable ember]

Try-
Oden or lyca
Thoran
Nara
Rowan
Daimon

Nara can disrupt isabella a little bit to stall her from nuking daimon.

[primal mist]

I'll give it a shot, I've never tried putting Rowan on the frontline

[stable ember]

Also probably put ferael on RC, his cc is great. Rowan can do on the front because they already served their purpose and the cart stays after death

[primal mist]

I had Feral on RC and took him out for Twins yesterday 😢 He's going back in as soon as I have a slot

Thanks for the suggestions! This lineup seems to be a little crit/dodge dependent but one try almost worked

[stable ember]

You could probably drop Hendrick for him, don't know if he is particularly useful atm. And yeah, that kind of comp is super heavy rng

[primal mist]

Oh good point - I had Hendrick in as a second main tank but got Hogan to L+ today, so I hadn't swapped him out

Thanks!

[stable ember]

Sometimes the stars need to align for every cc to land on the right combination and for that extra dodge to happen lol, and no worries

[primal mist]

It worked!

[naive remnant]

Any suggestions? I also have 1 spot available in my crystal

[novel crypt]

Any tips for this stage?
#classic-questions message

[fiery wing]

why is oden in front

[naive remnant]

That's random, I've tried many compositions. Managed to beat it with RNG

[rare moat]

Help

[naive remnant]

Based on those 10 units, what is the most beneficial heroes I could put in my crystal? Also, are there any I should remove from the crystal?

[silk burrow]

looks good to me

[naive remnant]

I have 1 unused spot, what would you put in there?

[fiery wing]

no one

switch oden and rowan

[naive remnant]

I already beat that level, but I can't really progress further due to level differences. Enemies 1-shot most of my peeps except Daimon and Mira

[silk burrow]

show box

[naive remnant]

In addition to those 10 I have these

I'm really tempted to evolve Daimon to L, but I don't have a third copy

[silk burrow]

probably fera

[fiery wing]

try fera for athalia or nara

[silk burrow]

he already has those last 2

you could also take off atha if you need to since you already have nara

[naive remnant]

I've been running both of them in tower with big success

[fiery wing]

you really need to invest on your daimon asap

[silk burrow]

yeah i’m just saying if you ever need space just take atha out

[fiery wing]

i dont really have an advice on anything except keep beefing your daimon

[naive remnant]

Yeah, but I don't have any copies. The guide says to have at least a third before I make him L, and I only have E+

[fiery wing]

yea just afk, and upgrade levels, and try ur luck on getting daimon, and upgrading your fodders

[naive remnant]

I'm on vacation, I don't want to AFK

I have 26 golden chests, they look more and more tempting as time passes

[wheat wigeon]

Hey guys, any idea how to beat this?

[elfin gorge]

Can you guys help me...?

[rose tundra]

Opinions

[mossy galleon]

Any help?

[daring ferry]

What line up should i be using with these heroes right now?

[silk burrow]

whatever works best you have like nothing. go read beginner guide in #classic-questions

[daring ferry]

For now im just focusing on mirael to carry early game but i wonder what should i focus to develop

[silk burrow]

daimon.

[rough frigate]

Need help with who to put in RC. I have 1 slot open atm but would be open to suggestions on who to switch out. Currently stuck in campaign 12-4.

[naive remnant]

Any tips for dealing with this?

Should I put wu kong in my crystal? I don't really have any decent tanks

[primal mist]

Try Daimon on frontline. Unless he's dying before he gets his ult off, frontline is where he belongs

As for RC, we'd have to see your full box before we could advise you on it

[pale kettle]

Does somebody has any idea ?

[naive remnant]

This is my box

Really wish I had Brutus or Silas

[keen flame]

i need some help

[primal mist]

Wukong drops off pretty badly after 100, so I'd leave him out. Try daimon/Athalia frontline, or Golus/Athalia frontline and see how that works

[naive remnant]

Doesn't work. All of them except Daimon dies almost immediately

[pale kettle]

I need Help what is The best Formation for Ainz?

[silk burrow]

he does not belong in frontline lmao

[silk burrow]

all you really need is arthur bedo and ainz you can add merlin

[primal mist]

I feel like people are 50/50 on frontline/backline for Daimon, i constantly get told to swap regardless of where I put him 😄

[pale kettle]

What is The best Formation for this Stage ?

[silk burrow]

he belongs backline imo so he actually gets ults off unless he can actually tank it then yeah it’s fine to put him in front

[silk burrow]

switch lyca for rowan

also work on rowans 30

[primal mist]

What would you do for this fight? I've been trying backline Daimon but it hasn't worked yet

[steady rain]

Daimon can be played frontline before level 160*

[pale kettle]

Is that enough?

[steady rain]

You should prioritize rowan's SI 30+

[pale kettle]

My Ainz

30 or 40?

[silk burrow]

no. you need his +30

prioritize it over everyone

[silk burrow]

30 don’t ever go above 30 unless you’re a whale

[pale kettle]

My Albedo

[silk burrow]

30 aswell do her before ainz but rowan first

[pale kettle]

Okii :)

And my Lyca xD

[silk burrow]

so rowan>bedo>ainz

[silk burrow]

yeah that’s enough investment

[pale kettle]

Okii :)

Thanks :)

[silk burrow]

[steady rain]

Do you

[primal mist]

Could I get some ideas for this one please: #lineup-help message

Everything non-Daimon gets melted too quickly, and then Daimon gets CC'd to death

[faint current]

What happens when you use Golus hogan Daimon Arden lyca 12345?

Make sure to retry until your Arden roots enemy Arden and see what happens on that attempt

[digital skiff]

Daimon
Thoran
Rowan
Lyca
Arden/oden

[primal mist]

Just tried a bunch of this one. Usually the enemy Arden roots first, but on the three tries where I rooted it first, enemy dps burst the rest of my team down and Ogi/Arden cc’d Daimon until the dps killed him

Still trying it to see if I can’t get lucky with dodges/crits, Daimon has gotten close to killed enemy Arden and Ogi a few times but usually gets bursted despite his ult

[primal mist]

I had one fight where Arden lives long enough to root 3x, but Daimon still gets bursted by Kaz/Lyca

[pale kettle]

help please

[faint current]

That’s unfortunate sorry it didn’t work

[midnight bronze]

I think nara might have more utility in that fight rather than Isabelle

[primal mist]

I think I just need to get Daimon to +20, he’s only at 17 rn. Thanks for trying!

[primal mist]

It turned out that I hadn't used the 3-day trial of Astar, and she pushed me through it!

[coarse mirage]

Am i doing something wrong with my lineup?

Im a new player and i dont know anything

[tight juniper]

Definitely worth checking pins in #classic-questions

[midnight bronze]

If anything swap Rowan and ferael so Rowan helps everyone

[coarse mirage]

Okay thank you

[boreal summit]

Can’t seem to beat this but I feel like I should?

[tulip dagger]

Hook isabella with nara or interrupt her with athalia

Isa got buffed and is killing everything in campaign now..

[boreal summit]

ok! replace Shem? or Fawkes?

[pale kettle]

tested nara she's better yeah but still my daimon activate burst twice while thoran cheese once
still not close to win

[tulip dagger]

Replace fawkes with rowand and shem with nara imo

[boreal summit]

Rowan's at level 5 rn so tried with athalia instead, still dying near instantly here lol. is it cause of gear?

[tulip dagger]

Put him in crystal then lmao
Is athalia levelled? Many factors idk, as long as she has any gear

[pale kettle]

any thoughts guys?

[boreal summit]

athalias at level 156 in crystal, no slots open with crystal but I'll put him in asap (12hours lol)

[tulip dagger]

Maybe hook eironn with nara, take out isa? Not usefull without SI and furn imo

[pale kettle]

me right?

[tulip dagger]

Oh wait you got oden front..why? 😂

[pale kettle]

just tested something
I am using now
thoran and rowan front
ferael left back
nara middle and daimon right back

[tulip dagger]

Yup you..
Does nara hook prevent eironn pull?
Could try daimon front then with thoran, oden nara fera back... Placing fera opposite of nem isnt the best choice either though

[boreal summit]

Doing better at least, so thanks!

[tulip dagger]

Any other clears similar to your stage?

[wise skiff]

i losed my account , the support dont answer me what i can do?-.-

[tulip dagger]

Aaah its normal tower not gb!

[boreal summit]

changed to Isa from athalia cause she was dying instantly

[pale kettle]

yes nara hook eironn
I do 2 daimon burst
2 cheese
still it's not enough
I will test what u point led out now

[pale kettle]

gb tower

[tulip dagger]

Try taking out isa for.. idk nemora? Astar?

[tulip dagger]

Cant use rowan then?

[tulip dagger]

Only one hero needed opposite of isabella for disrupt

[pale kettle]

I wrote it by accident sorry+
I won tyyyy

[boreal summit]

well i lasted longer that time! isa just won't freaking die lol

WAIT I GOT IT THANK YOU

[safe hazel]

Go on afk helper if you’re struggling with clears or post it here

[boreal summit]

ok!! thank you :)

[tulip dagger]

Np :)

[tulip dagger]

Yeah isa stages might take some tries 😅 yw

[junior musk]

Can I pass it ? I'm really behind in term of power I think

[safe hazel]

Try swap daimon and rowan and replace eirron for Nara

[junior musk]

Well Tasi just stop my daimon from existing

Everything else got insta killed

[safe hazel]

I’m not really sure then sorry

[junior musk]

No problem I just tried to ask if there is any way x)

[silk burrow]

put nara opposite of tasi

[elfin gorge]

...?

[azure panther]

3 shemira
5 Isabella
4 daimon
1 grezhoul
2kelthur
@elfin gorge

[pale kettle]

help me build a team

[azure panther]

an idea ?

[elfin gorge]

Hello? Anyone help?

[safe hazel]

Tasi mirael astar

Back line but you should read guide pinned in #classic-questions

You need to do 5 fodder to L+

Do thoran and izold frontline hogan instead of izold when you can

[toxic flame]

If the investment u have into shemira went into daimon instead u could probably beat it.

[elfin gorge]

Yes, but I got Daimon wayyyy later in game

[fallow mica]

Kinda still new and stuck on one of the story missions using the top row as a lineup..are any of the ones under them better champs?

[pale kettle]

@fallow mica check out the pins on this section, use wukong until level 100

[fallow mica]

who should i replace wukong with then? i heard thane wasn't that good?

also, which pinned? the team building guide thing?

[fiery wing]

on #classic-questions

[pale kettle]

@fallow mica sorry, the pinned in the #classic-questions tab. read through the beginners guides

can anyone help me find a good team comp for this?

[rough frigate]

I need help with 11-35 please been stuck since this evening

[elfin gorge]

Ummm... help.

[elfin gorge]

Mental support would also be appreciated.

[fiery wing]

need help thanks

[digital skiff]

Swap thoran in daimons place

[digital skiff]

Swap thoran and lyca

[fiery wing]

thanks

[solid stirrup]

issue is oden portals estrilda onto hogan

[fiery wing]

help athalia sucks

[digital skiff]

Oden
Ghrez
Fera
Daimo
Silas

(Silas dodge rng required)

[fiery wing]

fera shroud or fera no weapon eye?

[pale kettle]

i need help on a team for campaign i can’t pass the new ones i have resources to level them up

bro please

[digital skiff]

Shroud no weap

[digital skiff]

highly recommend you to read pins in #classic-questions and you can get a more detailed team comp from #classic-questions

[pale kettle]

did already thanks tho

[digital skiff]

[quartz bison]

No Si 30?

[fiery wing]

i dont have si30 gbs

[fiery wing]

woah i didn't knew silas can dodge lol i passed cause of it

[digital skiff]

That's exactly what i do in most of the backline atha stages. Silas it and dodge rng

[fiery wing]

what makes silas can dodge lol

[digital skiff]

Full t2 and call

So one out of 3 times silas can dodge atha

[drowsy gazelle]

His SI give dodge as well. Same as rowan

[fiery wing]

silas dodged it at 4th try nice

5* call then i borrowed ainz t3 gear onto silas

[digital skiff]

Ya silas is a dodgy guy

[rocky tusk]

Hello guys, can u help me with my team? Im really new. Thanks😄

Im using Daimon Rowan Rossaline Astar Wu Kong

[rocky tusk]

And i got Oden rn

[loud pebble]

Grezhul Rowan Daimon Lyca and oden

[rocky tusk]

Oki thx

I tried this compo but they one shot me

Not enough healin

I heard the best compo was 3 sup 1 tank 1 carry

[safe hazel]

Read pins on #classic-questions

[rocky tusk]

Thx!

[safe hazel]

np

[digital skiff]

Hey really recommend that you check you pins in #classic-questions

[final hazel]

Ur hero suck idk what to tell u

[tulip dagger]

You arent really helping lmao

[final hazel]

It's about drive, it's about power
We stay hungry, we devour
Put in the work, put in the hours and take what's ours

[tulip dagger]

Try thoran instead of izold, kel second frontman
Back swap desira for shem

[vital kernel]

You have zero supports on this team, even ferael would be at least something instead of oden

[cunning warren]

any ideas ?

[stable ember]

Alt is struggling on this one. Ideas? Trying to burn through ch12 this week on it

[summer cedar]

swap thoran and rowan, drop belinda for tasi or lyca.

[summer cedar]

Thoran Daimon Tasi Rowan Lyca should do it

[summer cedar]

I'd just check the site

[summer cedar]

Try Daimon Thoran Arden Rowan Lyca/Oden

[rough frigate]

Thank you but I borrowed someone’s op merc and killed it

[summer cedar]

Daimon Wu Rosa Rowan Lyca/Astar should work. Rosa follow Daimon

[fluid turtle]

I'm currently stuck at 16-12. Can someone please give me some tips on my lineup?

[stable ember]

You are wasting massive amounts of resources, you shouldnt make heroes L if you can't make them L+ and even then you are wasting fodder making so many, and making some L that you already have at L+. Honestly if you don't have money invested, I would just start over and follow the beginner guides. You're going to have no fodder to make any worthwhile heroes M/A for ages.

[cunning warren]

why is fawkes mythic

[fluid turtle]

Great advice guys. Not maybe try this or this, but just start over. Maybe I should quit. Once again GREAT ADVICE.

And why fawkes is mythic, it helped me through quite a bit of levels.

[orchid heath]

Hi all, hope you are well

I am looking for advice for making an Ainz team, ive been away from the game for quite some time.

My current thinking is:
AInz, Albedo, Lyca, Tasi & Rowan

But i really have no idea, open to all any any suggestions of what to work towards (looking for mostly pve team) - Thanks in advance!

[cunning warren]

yes because you invested in the wrong heroes, you could try to fix it but it’d be hard

[orchid heath]

*i would also like help knowing what to do with my diomands

[pale kettle]

just use daimon for free wins

[royal stag]

Thats more foe #classic-questions

[orchid heath]

ok, apologies, ill head there now

[unreal plover]

Halp plz

[summer cedar]

u cannot play Gwyn into enemy Nara

[stable ember]

The thing is, you literally have wasted so much that a year from now you will still be having problems due to it. A mythic hero might make you get past stages but as soon as it falls off (which he will, he's pretty bad overall) you're stuck longer than if you had built a more basic team around fodder. You have more legendary tier heros than my main does which just spreads your resources even thinner.

[unreal plover]

Ok then what should I do?

[summer cedar]

I hate LB tower. I'm just letting you know a flaw in your teamcomp that, if you fix it, will help a lot.

[rough frigate]

I need help with supports in the RC. I have no room so I’d need to swap. I feel like my Daimon isn’t an OP carry like the guide makes him seem. Stuck on 12-8.

[stable ember]

Daimon is definitely a hard carry but you won't notice until he's past the next few skill upgrades. I would drop Eironn and put in ferael, his cc is very strong

[stable ember]

Will depend on stage of course but generally lineups like:

Daimon
Thoran or Rowan
Oden
Thoran or rowan
Ferael

Should be decent. Rowan is fine to sacrifice on the front line

[icy parcel]

You should have made Mirael L+ instead of hogan so she can assist as DPS

[rough frigate]

I needed a tank so I made Hogan L first. But then I pulled Thoran…

But either way I thought with daikon carry Mireal would be my last priority

[stable ember]

She kinda bridges the gap until daimon gets built up initially

[rough frigate]

I see

Should I still make her L+ next? Or just finish Hogan first? Btw the guide says to focus on Hogan first with Daimom

[icy parcel]

Which guide specifically?

[rough frigate]

The pinned guide in #classic-questions

Not saying your wrong but was just following what it said 😬

[rough frigate]

Thanks I’ll try that

[icy parcel]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/888912266777493585/923735306048503879/Guide-210.png

This?

[rough frigate]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1xcT34gPd9WS8Ivb9kZGmAP6qnoIzFFUUmyNETq1J_kg/mobilebasic

Levelling steps to follow: Daimon till Lv.80 > Arden Hogan Golus Silvina till Lv.60 > Daimon till Lv.100 > Hogan Golus Arden Silvina till Lv.100 > Reset Daimon > Hogan (prioritise his ascensions instead of Mirael’s) Mirael Golus Arden Silvina levelled evenly with Daimon carry in RC slots (so that his level isn’t stuck at his ascension’s level cap)

[icy parcel]

@upbeat fossil why are you suggesting Hogan?

[rough frigate]

Are these dura things ok

[upbeat fossil]

Because he’s a fodder????
Read the damn guide what does he need Mirael for when he has Daimon

[icy parcel]

To avoid getting freaking obliterated by Isabella

[upbeat fossil]

Ok genius go level Mirael and use her as a tank

[icy parcel]

Daimon tanks buys time, even at E, and Mirael kills the stuff, Daimon has too much of a problem killing Backline Isabella fast enough

[upbeat fossil]

Using Mirael to carry when you have Daimon

Ok dude

You think backline Isabella is a problem

One Nara solves that problem

[icy parcel]

Bruh, do you even remember how Daimon works without SI and before 141?

[upbeat fossil]

Go play more early game seriously

I tested all these on my own

[icy parcel]

She doesn't, I just went through that shiet this week along @nocturne furnace

[upbeat fossil]

You’re another “Daimon doesn’t carry before M” person

[rough frigate]

I do get murdered hy Isabella and mireal in the back to be honest

[upbeat fossil]

Proof that you can squeeze out a bit of extra performance/progress if you follow my guide properly

Daimon over Wu Kong
#lineup-help message
#lineup-help message

Mirael + Daimon proven wrong, or simply Daimon frontline or lone carry
#lineup-help message
#lineup-help message
#lineup-help message
#lineup-help message
#lineup-help message
#lineup-help message
#lineup-help message

The minority of stages where Daimon is backline (as stated in last paragraph of my guide)
#lineup-help message (he cleared it with Daimon backline because Lyca in his case can be used to tank Estrilda's initial stun. the lowest afkhelper clear has Daimon frontline though #lineup-help message either way, this shows Daimon alone instead of Daimon + Mirael)

[rough frigate]

I haven’t used the bounty chest for Nara yet does she really solve all my problems

[pale kettle]

stuck, what are some team comps i can try?

[nocturne furnace]

?

[upbeat fossil]

Bruh maybe experiment more before talking
And suggesting to avoid levelling Hogan in favour of a weaker carry when he has Daimon, just to avoid one enemy, is the real omegalul
Your experience only tells me you aren’t good

Go look at my message links and read all those convos I can’t be bothered proving this for over 10 times

[rough frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/hide-the-simpsons-bush-bushes-hermit-gif-5786484

[icy parcel]

I am not favoring Mirael over Daimon, I'm saying Mirael is easier to make cuz you get a free E+, and more importantly Hogan sucks as a tank, the Centaur dude is the only decent fodder Tank, and both get out shined by E Brutus or E Thoran, Mirael will at least remain useful once they unlock Faction Towers

[upbeat fossil]

yea right now changing your original argument point
im not gonna argue or have a convo with someone who says "i didn't say that"

bye

[icy parcel]

lol, that's along, not over

[rough frigate]

Why am I sacrificing Rowan btw, a dead healer doesn’t seem to do me much good

[icy parcel]

Rowan does not heal himself, their potions remains in the car in the battlefield after death

[rough frigate]

oh

[stable ember]

yeah, and until later he cant add more potions so he really only has the one purpose, same as lyca has good use for initial haste

[pale kettle]

need help with 11-16

[stable ember]

Read the beginner guides pinned in #classic-questions. Covers what you should/shouldn't be doing that early

[pale kettle]

@stable ember i have, just wondering if anyone sees any team comps I can try to beat this level

[stable ember]

They explicitly outline your initial team comps around early game carries, mirael where you are. And golden rule of don't make heroes L if you can't make them L+

[pale kettle]

i know, i’ve messed up but just want some help building a team comp lmao

[stable ember]

Carry+tank+3 supports generally. So mirael+thoran+probably ferael/oden/rowan or lyca

[mossy galleon]

Can someone help please

[safe hazel]

Swap rowan and lyca

And saurus and daimon

If saurus doesn’t survive long enough switch for a different tank

Lyca can die quickly she is good for haste and energy mainly

[mossy galleon]

Ahaa thanka

[pale kettle]

mirael isn’t staying alive - what can I change?

[final hazel]

Idk try deleting the game

[cunning warren]

need help

[fallow mica]

So I’m new and been following the beginner guide thing if having 1 daimon, 1 tank, and then I have 2 supports rn but was gonna replace the bottom left with another supporter either Rosaline or Ferael. Who would be better?

[worthy flame]

If your going for the faction bonus then ferael

[fiery wing]

replace arden with fereal for now

[fallow mica]

And keep shemira?

[fiery wing]

yea keep her for now

[silk burrow]

you could keep her just don’t invest into her

[safe hazel]

Read the beginner guide properly

You should have 5 fodder and put rest in rc

[fallow mica]

Yeah once I get daimon to 80 ima start getting arden and the rest of the fodders leveled

[summer cedar]

dude. stop being a douche. if you're not going to help, be somewhere else

[stable ember]

Daimon should be on the rc too, switch him for a fodder to level asap or you just get level capped at 100

[summer cedar]

@drowsy gazelle

[drowsy gazelle]

First of all, is thoran getting enough dmg to reflect?

This is what i used on 37-16. And note, get thoran weapon to a off-faction T2 5* here and pippa T2 5* faction boots

Changing those 2 gear net me the lowest rng for some reason, and you do not want too high acc to kill kaz accidently with thoran since there wont be entity on the battlefield(exclude flora) so he wont use his 2nd ult and ultimately dies to flora as she is falling down

You have to get your flora to kill kaz

If your thoran arent getting enough dmg in, remove his large furniture

[fallow mica]

so level 4 foddres + daimon?

[stable ember]

5 fodders. Daimon and all others can go on rc

[fallow mica]

oh by 'go on rc' you mean putting them in one of the slots?

so im not suppose to level daimon?

[fallen yacht]

Help

[stable ember]

Yep, putting them on the resonating crystal. Elite heroes are capped at level 100, so fodder is used to get through the next few level caps as you can guarantee getting L+ with fodder

[summer cedar]

Thoran Golus Arden Mirael Daimon

[fallen yacht]

Ty

[stable ember]

You can try slotting lyca as well to get mirael/daimon to set up faster

[fallen yacht]

Didnt work

[fallen yacht]

Alr lemme try this

[stable ember]

Rng is a thing, you may have to throw dozens of tries at it

[pale kettle]

What's a good counter for desira? I was beating this person the last 4 seasons but they swapped Arthur for desira and now I can't get the best of them.

My staple comp has been Arthur, albedo, Ainz, Merlin, Ezio

[summer cedar]

Desi blocks Merlin shields which is why you can't win anymore. I don't know how to counter this though.

[stable ember]

My alt is hitting a wall again. Something I'm missing? Otherwise just back to rng grind

[safe hazel]

I think sticking to mirael carry instead of making thoran M would be better

Or try daimon frontline instead of izold and use another support

[summer cedar]

Silvi destroys early game INT. Izold sucks at E. Try Thoran brutus Daimon Lyca Fera perhaps

[stable ember]

I keep forgetting silvi exists

[summer cedar]

If you don't have a low ascension Rowan protecting ur other int, she'll rip them to shreds

[pale kettle]

There's gotta be some way to counter Desira, she was in Ainz comps a few months ago and without Arthur there has to be some sort of weakness, right?

[stable ember]

Yeah that's the usual problem on this acc. And definitely was questionable doing thoran M that early.

[hallow kettle]

ainz frontline with winged warden would have worked, but unfotunately the merlin in the frontline makes it hard for that.

[pale kettle]

I can always put Ainz in front on the other slot not where Merlin is. The problem is desira seems to negate Merlin

[hallow kettle]

the trick is to place albedo opposite of merlin, and have ezio pick off the enemies as soon as your ainz ults. do u have ezio 9f?

[pale kettle]

Never tried winged warden, mine is 3 stars. Does that item need to be maxed to get the value? Yes my ezio is 30/9 but so is theirs and they both pop ults at about the same time

[hallow kettle]

u can try ainz, albedo, merlin, ezio, ezizh/silas/lyca, position 1,2,3,4,5. winged warden doesn't need to be maxed, it is fine at 3/4*

[pale kettle]

My ezizh is still M+. Also they have like 20m strength on me, and this wasn't a problem before but I worry that now there's nothing I can do

[hallow kettle]

why is your arthur still there, just get rid of arthur if he isn't going to be frontline. like i said, silas, lyca, ezizh. either work probably. the trick is to burst your enemy before desira can do much, and ezio starts chain executing

[pale kettle]

For who?

[hallow kettle]

keep in mind ur also in quite a deficit of about 30 levels so that is also a pretty huge difference

[pale kettle]

I figure if he walks up in front the Ainz will benefit by the time he ults, and so far trying to swap Leonardo or someone else for Arthur hasn't worked. That was an example, I haven't fought yet

[hallow kettle]

btw leonardo needs engravings so that his cannon+paintings can actually paralyze ainz since ainz has a beefy 48ish tenacity with engravings so u need that much insight to counteract it

[pale kettle]

I literally said that in the message I posted with the picture, so it's definitely in my mind? But yeah I never had trouble fighting this person before, they didn't use ezio and I wiped the floor. Then they swapped to ezio and I would still win. Now with desira I'm stuck. So historically the gap hasn't made a difference which is why I'd like to believe if I can find a desira counter the status quo will be restored 🤷‍♂️

Leonardo e60? I already have him at e30

[hallow kettle]

but yeah go try ezizh first since thats what i typically use against enemy desira aaae. leonardo doesn't need e30, e33 might be enough insight or e38

[pale kettle]

My ezizh is M+ so I don't think that will work for me, so maybe I just finally lose.

[hallow kettle]

ezizh literally doesn't need anything, hes just an energy battery so you ult fast. hell, he straight up dies most of the time when i run him frontline lemme try to get some replays

[pale kettle]

I'll try lyca, my silas just got A so still needs investment

help please and thank you

[pale kettle]

Would you still use Dura's Call on ezio here?

[hallow kettle]

i use verdant longbow on ezio. oh yeah, the reason why my strat works is cuz i actually engraved ezio lmao, but maybe your ezio can still do the job

[pale kettle]

Idk because shemira is a far better carry than Gwyn, even Belinda imo. I suspect saveas is the one killing your team so maybe put Gwyn opposite to try and kill him early, and maybe swap taisi for thoran since I don't think thoran is good early. Your options are kinda weird compared to what I used climbing early.

[pale kettle]

My ezio is e30, you went to 60? Is the diff that big?

[hallow kettle]

i have ezio at e38. 3 for the tenacity branch and 5 for the atk. why do u assume its either e30 or e60, inbetween is pretty good stil

you can also try using grez+alna+oden+ferael+silas/desira.

[pale kettle]

One copy of alna from Ascended :(

How would you situate that comp? I love grezhul and Oden

[hallow kettle]

like see this for example? well, ezizh doesn't need tidebearer or call. i normally place ezizh where ainz is, but i am going to show u the power of winged warden without ezizh pulling desira. guy is at a 9 level deficit above me, but ehh

the trick is to get enemies below ezio execute threshold and basically fuck everything up+chain kills before desira can do her bs and negate all your hard work. ezizh can die for all you care, hes just there to fuel energy and get ults off before your opponent does

keep in mind its still 'somewhat' rng as you NEED to get certain crits and damage off. but winged warden is incredibly fun to abuse if u know how to use it

tbh, ezizh can probably work opposite of that frontline merlin in your example because merlin destiny foreseen hp shield won't EVER activate if the hero he is right across is dead and can't ult anyways, he doesn't change his target on destiny forseen

[pale kettle]

I've been trying but if doesn't work. The issue is the opposing ezio pops ult at the same time and were basically trading except his Merlin shields still work. I think it would probably work against them if they had Arthur instead of ezio but I guess I just won't be hitting #1 anymore :(

[hallow kettle]

does your ezio have verdant longbow on?

[pale kettle]

I did put ezizh opposite of Merlin and I even kill desira sometimes but I'm also losing heroes at the same time, in the end it's both of our ezios chain ulting and he still has his Ainz

[hallow kettle]

i mean, you are at a 30 level deficit which is quite a lot. ferael might work perhaps if hes engraved to negate some healing and potentially stun ezio if hes engraved enough to have enough insight to

[pale kettle]

Yes, and I even brought ezio up to e60. I also put Leonardo at e40 because I was trying to use him earlier, even in situations I can freeze the enemy Ainz its not doing enough against the ezio

Farael was what they were using before ezio with AAA+Merlin and I shut it down, so don't think it will. I appreciate the help, I feel defeated though lol

This is what I was trying by the way, swapping positions of ezizh, albedo, and ezio to see if anything would work

[rough frigate]

Who should I pick from the chapter 12 box? And also from the other box I got earlier, idk from where. The small red one that has 4 units + 10 faction scrolls

Im getting wrecked by that undead lady with the book

[stable ember]

Assuming the first chest is the one with Nara, pick her if you don't have her. I believe the next best is to pick up faction scrolls and use on GB.

Second one probably hold until you are more sure in what you need (which I'm trying to have patience with on my alt rn lol)

[rough frigate]

I think it’s the one yeah (with nara)

[stable ember]

Yeah, go for nara if you don't have her. Just need one copy of her because of her pull

[rough frigate]

I’d pick her but I have 35 faction scrolls and I think 5-10 more from the candy crush thing, and graveborn faction is to,krrow reset

So I wanna see what I get first

[stable ember]

Ah, that is fair. Good call.

[rough frigate]

I got insanely lucky with all the damains I’ve pulled lol

[pale kettle]

Grave born and Wilder are the only two you should ever use faction scrolls on imo

[rough frigate]

Also I’m stuck on 12-4 cause that undead lady with the book wrecks me 😦

[stable ember]

Just wait until later. Isabella was the bane of my existence through most of the 20s chapters. She doesn't get less annoying for a long time

[rough frigate]

Nevermind. I just kept pressing retry until rng felt bad for me

[stable ember]

Rng you will also get used to eventually, doing hundreds at times. I use an emulator and constantly retry while doing other things

[rough frigate]

Is botting not bannable?

[stable ember]

Some use macros, but not an actual bot. And I do it manually anyways, emulator just let's you play on pc

So I have it on other monitor and click retry whenever I have a second

[rough frigate]

Oh I know,but a lot of games are real picky about using macros or auto kickers etc

[sleek eagle]

I'm not sure what would be the best combo between Lucretia, Shemira, and Eironn for my dmg dealers, can anyone help?

[silk burrow]

read the pins in #classic-questions

[pale kettle]

bro has lucretia at chap 6😭😭

[sleek eagle]

and?

[silk burrow]

i think he’s saying it like you’re lucky

[digital skiff]

Merlin+ desira means almost always your ainz will not kill the enemies in one hit

[digital skiff]

I had twins at ch2

[sleek eagle]

i didnt mean that disrespectfully or anything, i just didnt know she was rare or anything

is she really that good or something?

[silk burrow]

once you get her to atleast m she is really good

she’s her own team

[sleek eagle]

damn alright

[compact lake]

i have my tasi and lyca at same level and since they need the same fodder to advance and share same gear set, which one is generally more useful so I can focus on please?

[fiery wing]

lucretia without her SI is meh

she shines early game with her SI30 but shes a beast at 309 then madness 309e60

[sleek eagle]

i dont know what any of those terms mean

[smoky lava]

Hi guys, I'm a little overwhelmed with the amount of heroes and having seen how in depth the synergies and other factors are, I'm looking for a little help

That's what I'm working with 🤔

[naive remnant]

Any suggestions?

[fiery wing]

i recommend go to the #classic-questions channel then read the beginners guide on the pins

[fiery wing]

fereal/lyca

talene
rowan
daimon
oden

[solemn crane]

Suggestions? It may be the power difference here, but it sucks being stuck at last stage lol

I usually use Daimon as for dd

[safe hazel]

Do you have the wish list pinned on #classic-questions

Your doing the right thing by levelling 5 fodder but your box looks like you don’t have the wishlist

[solemn crane]

I dont actually, didnt really read these guides there lol. My wishlist is quite similar though. I played back then so i don’t know many new units. I’ll change it rn

@safe hazel yep, changed like 3 units, so i think it was pretty close as the recommended list. Maybe i was unlucky with pulls lol

[safe hazel]

Stop levelling your thoran btw level 5 fodder

Do the ones pinned as well niru and spider lady are pretty useless

You want Arden silvina golus hogan and mirael

[solemn crane]

Alright, will do

[safe hazel]

For that level you can swap rowan and astar and replace shem for daimon

And then put your best tank next to astar probably hogan or thoran

@solemn crane

If that doesn’t work replace tasi with Larson or nemora and keep retrying

[naive remnant]

Thanks, but no such luck

Guess I have to AFK a few days to try and close the level gap

[rough frigate]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/565578751715573770/925027536143024198/image0.jpg

Who should I replace for Nara? I use the 3 GB and Rowan a lot atm

I am thinking lyca because tasi seems more useful

Oh nevermind, I’m a dozen coins away from unlocking a new slot

[pale kettle]

Hi guys i just started should i focus on lower rarity heroes first? This is what i have

[safe hazel]

Look at beginner guide pinned in #classic-questions

[split oasis]

How can I beat this? I still have a lot of E+ hero copies, or is it not possible?

[coral pier]

What is this?

[split oasis]

ToG

With charm I was able to survive but time was running out and they didn't die

These are the trials

[coral pier]

Usually if you can’t kill Orthros right away you can’t kill him at all. He becomes mega tanky if he survives early so usually basic dps struggles against him.

You can try everything you have left but you might just have to restart.

[split oasis]

Ah rip, I'll try a little more

[thorny fulcrum]

Looking for suggestions, stuck at 12-4.

[split oasis]

Got it, thanks for the info @coral pier

Sorry, I didn't understand what u mean

Ah, yeah I do that too when there's nothing urgent, but I wanted to get the Windbinder

[fiery wing]

you have ainz?

[split oasis]

Yeah, but Idk if mine counts lol

[fiery wing]

ohhh nvm

[split oasis]

Why👀

[fiery wing]

if your ainz is 203 then it might work

[split oasis]

I mean, I got the resources 👀
Just saving cuz I have no plan currently

[fiery wing]

building ainz without bedo is kinda meh tho but it has uses

[primal mist]

Any ideas? Everything but Daimon gets bursted, and Daimon gets cc’d

[limpid forum]

I don’t need lineup help but I need help

[limpid forum]

I’ll help

Hogan 1, old man 2, daimon 3, mireal 4, astar/or Mauler guy 5

@primal mist

[primal mist]

...mauler guy?

@limpid forum

[modern kelp]

Any help on this ? Or should I just retry and pray ?

[pale kettle]

Pretty sure he's talking about horse dude. Your comp is kind bad imo, no need for both mirael and Arden. I would try Brutus, Damion, Lyca, new Wilder hero, Arden maybe? Or try Hogan, Daimon, Rosa (attached to Daimon or Rowan), Rowan, Mirael

[pale kettle]

Is Daimon or Raku not better than Khazard in that comp? Or you need them in their other comps?

[modern kelp]

I'm using Daimon on last team and my raku is not maxed

like 305 only t1 gear

[pale kettle]

If he has 30 it might be worth. I'm F2p so I've never had an invested khasos but he feels good with mehira comps imo

[modern kelp]

At some point the ezizh just silence my mehira and i'm dead :/

[silk ibex]

Super stuck on this one. Too much healing and Tasi's carrying too hard

[jolly tide]

looking to put together a eironn comp, is eironn-safiya-skriath-tasi-lyra good?

[silk ibex]

I have a comp that can beat this, depends on if you have Nara

[safe hazel]

brutus thoran astar mirael daimon

in order of 1-5

[silk ibex]

I used

Daimon

Lyca
Oden
Thoran
Nara

or

Oden

Brutus
Ferael
Thoran
Daimon

[rough frigate]

Help please with 13-20. In about an hour I get 1 more RC slot.

[stable ember]

Replace Nara with Rowan or put Daimon bottom back, oden mid back and rowan in bottom front. Probably slot lyca into your RC next as I don't see many other with much use right now and lyca is always good for haste

[safe hazel]

rowan front isn't good early game

[rough frigate]

I though I’d want to keep Rowan alive now that he can make more potions

[silk ibex]

Try

Nara

Brutus
Rowan
Thoran
Daimon

[rough frigate]

I don’t think I have Brutus, which one is he

[silk ibex]

Oh right, you're still not at Ch14, might have to try another solution

He's the lion guy who gets a few seconds of immunity before death

Essentially several seconds of infinite tankiness no matter what

Try Lyca instead of Brutus?

[silk ibex]

Can someone help me with this? Not even close to killing any of them cause of massive healing

[coral pier]

Do you time out?

[silk ibex]

@coral pier No, Tasi just slaughters everyone

[rough frigate]

No luck with this still

My problem seems to be I can’t kill anyone before they ult and kill me

[silk ibex]

@rough frigate Try

Daimon

Lyca
Eironn

and play around with the bottom two slots

Recommend Oden and Golus for your case?

Actually maybe Arden and Golus

[rough frigate]

I’m out of gems to reset the RC for now

Can I use Nara instead of eironn, they both seem to do the pull thing

[primal mist]

The first one worked after ~30 retries, the Thoran/Nara double cc on Isa was genius. Thanks!

It's also carrying me through a lot more levels too 😄

[silk ibex]

You're welcome, I really hate that comp as well lol, I find that the second one works better in later stages if you have a good Ferael

[pale kettle]

whats the strongest team i can make? thats what i have rn

[rough frigate]

omg this worked eventually. Gollum was too squishy so I used Thoran instead.

[silk ibex]

Golus* but yeah :P

[silk ibex]

Why do you have so many Legendaries

[rough frigate]

Sorry autocorrect lol

[pale kettle]

idek 😭 i just got this acc back after like a year

[past urchin]

What server is this account on?

[pale kettle]

795 why

[past urchin]

May be ok then.
You said you got it back after a year.
If it was on a much older server I would suggest re-rolling.
You're fine though.

[royal stag]

Not for pvp

[supple mantle]

Ideas?

[pale kettle]

oh ok, any tips on who i shud use?

[sage yarrow]

i would restart on a new server, because you're not going anywhere with that when it comes to certain aspects of the game and you'll be there in like a week when following some advice and beginners guide
but if you dont want to - check pins in the question channel

[mossy galleon]

Can someone help please?

[echo basin]

Any tips?

[pale kettle]

only reason im hesitant is cuz i bought stuff on this acc already

i got advancment and a talene skin back then and itd be sad to lose em

Help please

[hoary trellis]

Reset some of your heroes XP and stick with your 5 strongest so they have all the XP. Eventually you will unlock resonating crystal and can have many more heroes leveled up.

[silk ibex]

Still very stuck on this stage, any help? It's just way too much healing and I can't lock down Tasi

[split oasis]

@silk ibex
Try using Lyca and Rowan

Swap Grez with rowan

And Nara with lyca

Then just swap their places and see how well it does

[sage yarrow]

@silk ibex and are you resetting store twice to buy dust? giving any unit an upgrade in level would already help
^ what Dream said and you could also give Oden a try, he deletes enemy energy, maybe Tasi would be less effective then

[silk ibex]

I'm not, but dust isn't the problem here, all 3 of my Mythics are Lv180, and my two L+ fodders are 160, literally can't go any higher without Ascending

[sage yarrow]

you should, because you'll run into a dust wall sooner or later and you should be prepared, there is a diamond spending guide somewhere in reddit i think, look into that and follow it

[sage yarrow]

that won't last long

[silk ibex]

Yes, but I can't afford to spend my Diamonds anywhere else except for pulls

[sage yarrow]

you can, you get roughly 2k per day on average

[silk ibex]

Cause I'm facing a massive fodder deficit as I'm getting more and more copies of the WL GBs

I'm still not seeing that "2K a day on average" here

I'm definitely not making that much

[sage yarrow]

i know you feel that way, i also did when i was in your shoes, but its pushing you further back if you dont

[split oasis]

At one point I had over 150k dust(with more in chests) , and I thought that was enough till 241

I thought wrong 🤣

[silk ibex]

It's actually frustrating that it's taking me so long to get my last Daimon copy or Ascend Oden, my progress feels frozen

This might be the worst fodder bottleneck I've faced since I started playing

I can get like 4-5 heroes to Mythic but I don't have the fodder to do anything

[sage yarrow]

play the candy crush minigame if you didn't yet

[silk ibex]

Did all of it

[split oasis]

I'm still lacking fodder, severely.

[silk ibex]

Need a link to that guide cause Google isn't doing much

[split oasis]

Also look up your stage on Afkhelper nax

And see what other people used to beat the stage

[silk ibex]

@split oasis The only upload with RC160 has 3 A Tier Heroes. I have 0. You see why I'm complaining about fodder now?

[sage yarrow]

join Bok's discord for ressources
https://www.reddit.com/r/afkarena/comments/opld3i/aa_fast_rewards_general_guidelines_v167/
https://www.reddit.com/r/afkarena/comments/mv0gkq/lategame_f2p_on_average_get_around_2000_diamonds/
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/855170522793639966/917232880655163402/unknown.png

[split oasis]

I remember beating it with A daimon lvl 180, Rowan M and everything else L+ or E+

[silk ibex]

Does this factor Diamond gains from pushing campaign and quests? Cause that's plateauing for me

[sage yarrow]

well that happens if you M 2 Heroes that are stuck on M instead of waiting a little longer to choose a Unit that you can A
Daimon was a good choice eitherway, but Fereal wasnt necessary

[sage yarrow]

its diamonds over a year divided by 365 days

[silk ibex]

That wasn't my decision, I'm pretty sure I sent my box to Diana and they said I should Ascend Ferael

No matter how you look at it, the store/BB refresh strat will absolutely cripple my fodder income

[sage yarrow]

yes, but you'll come out stronger on the other side
also you can try to attempt tower, they also give fodder early on

[silk ibex]

And right now the way I see it with so many unAscended GB copies in my box not counting Shemira I'll need all the fodder I can get

[silk ibex]

I'm still not really being given a reason why

[pale kettle]

why it still no work

[sage yarrow]

because you'll need absurd sums of dust very soon that you dont have and then you'll be stuck for days, just because you dont have dust
if you buy everyday, you wont ever have that issue
just wait it out, you get fodder from a lot of sources, do tower and wait it out

[silk ibex]

There's still no answer as to how I'll be getting pulls with this setup

We should take this back to #classic-questions

[pale kettle]

I unlocked rc sometime ago and I am using it. Prolly will change out someone who is a higher tier but rn I need help with lineup rearrangement

Nvm passed.

[trail prawn]

who should i use in guild hunting

[rocky moss]

Merc a stacked saurus.

[pale kettle]

what artifact do i use for luci here?

she dies too quick

nvm worked

[fiery wing]

merc a fat saurus put your belinda, daimon and some random dudes and go

[unborn blade]

I’m new. Stuck

[naive hamlet]

Reset the lvls on wu Kong Baden and Safiya and invest it all in stitchy

Oh and the blue hero dude at 21

[safe ridge]

Any tips on how to beat this

[naive hamlet]

Nvm I beat it by putting Brutus behind stitchy and that somehow worked

[rain mural]

somehow

[pale kettle]

why do experienced players always hoard resources? Shouldn't they just pop the dust and coins?

[faint current]

There are extreme diminishing returns on the feedback loop of popping the dust and coins to push campaign to get more dust and coins.

In fact after ch29 you don’t ever get more dust from pushing campaign, and the difference between say ch37 and 38 in terms of gold income is about 1 extra +10 signature item per real life decade

[primal mist]

Help?

[naive remnant]

Any suggestions on how to beat this? https://imgur.com/a/qeb8nBy

[fiery wing]

nara

thoran
eirron
brutus
daimon