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atm I think I want a T1 & T2 strength stone tho, so I can T3 my Izold helm. Any reason I should go Agi now, even without any big invested agi hero?
ahh that makes sense. Strength is fine then
i would not suggest building Izold nowadays...even without Alna, u can just use Daimon comp temporarily. Luc is your first A celepog target, dont use 5p comp until u get her then, you'll have time anyway, u wont run into 5 multis so quickly
My 5 recommended meta comps, these are not rankings.
- Charmizard (Zolrath 309, Rowan 300, Rosaline 000, Mehira M 300, Khazard M 300) OR Raku-Charm (Rowan 300, Brutus 203, Kren 309/Zolrath 303, Mehira M 300, Raku 303)
- Alna-GB (Alna 309, Grezhul 309, Daimon 303, Ferael 309, Oden 309)
- Thoran 309
- 5-pull Lucretia (Eironn 000, Skriath 003, Lyca 000, Nemora 009/Orthros E 000, Lucretia 309)
- AAA (Arthur 303, Ainz 309, Albedo 303, Merlin 309)
I already got 3F +30 Izold tho, would it not be worth it to upg his gear?
the problem is he's the 6th option for a 5-multifight, which means it doesnt make sense to invest in a hero that takes more effort than the rest to use when he's not top 5
so i would stop investing in him, he has use in GB tower but uh use your STR stones on other heroes first
Btw, should I remove him from furn wishlist now that I got 3f?
yea you're gonna have more impt and better targets
A general guide of my own regarding furniture wishlist. The initial wishlist shouldn't be changed most of the time, after that it depends on who you're building next.
Initial furniture wishlist for beginners
Ainz 9, Thoran 9, Grezhul 9, Lucretia 9, Merlin 9, Albedo 3, Skriath 3, Daimon 3, Arthur 3, Ferael/Tasi 3
Once anyone reaches their target, swap these in (the order isn't 100% correct but these are good) - Ferael/Tasi 3, Kren 3, Raku 3, Hodgkin 3, Silas 3, Desira 3, Ferael 9, Silas 9, Kren 9, Oden 9, Tasi 9, Brutus 3, Raine 3 (Guild Hunt and LB tower), Estrilda 3 (Dark Nemora TR), Gwyneth&Morrow 3 (LB tower), Tidus 3 and Skreg&Antandra 9 (Mauler tower), Eironn 9 (Wilder tower), Izold 9 (GB tower)
By the end of that list you should have developed enough game sense to make your own calls after that and do what you want depending on what your goals are (e.g Campaign/AE/PVP).
Nvm, I already removed him and forgot about it >_<. This is my list atm. https://i.imgur.com/y3nAgdz.png
looks fine
@upbeat fossil So, the whole reason for me to focus on strength was Izold. Since Daimon T3 is pretty shit, what do I take from this chest? https://i.imgur.com/GEKDyCq.png With these heroes atm. Or do I just save? https://i.imgur.com/NM6UGFm.png
Ainz is an option
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please help
Hmm, ok I guess. ^^
@upbeat fossil is there any comp for early game
depending on which carry u use, in my guide, pinned in #classic-questions
If daimon on epic can carry he is my carry
Should lucretia be my number 1 T3 priority?
if you're talking about your current acc then it's no longer eligible for my guide, you're supposed to use Ainz M or Daimon M or smth
Daimon E backline probably wont work anymore
Ainz id my target
2 tanks frontline, Ainz backline supported by 2 supports
if u have enough to Garrison Albedo at the same time, then she's 1 of the 2 supports
I need 36 more shards tho
yes if she's A
maybe M +30 works at where u are
Could nemora-e twins work for support
She is A, then max it is
Twins suck in campaign dont bother
Nemora probably wont work
Luc should be your main focus if I remeber ur box correctly.
then full T3 her, hope u have 5-pull ready for this to work
her 9/9 is also #1 priority
Help
Currently 5/9
What heroes could work with ainz
Budget ainz comp would normally be brutus rowan ferael tasi ainz… optimal ainz comp: arthur albedo ainz rowan zaphrael
Can anyone help me beat 30-16
please help
Show all your heroes
ok just a second
Rowan lyca lucretia nara daimon
i dont have Ainz at 9/9 tho
he is inching towards that
@pale kettle
Try albedo rowan daimon lyca brutus
in what order
Place them in the exact order i told you
Unfortunately doesn't work
Brutus will face athalia
Check afk helper for more similar comps
Will take a look
vurks poisons obliterate me
Try daimon rowan nara lyca brutus then
I didn't find a single comp that has similar ascension tiers as I have
not one ult in sight
retried it 5 times to make sure
Uff that’s how others passed
will twins work at e for guild hunt and twisted realm
yes
they'll probably die towards the end but you'll get a better score
on which hero do i put blade on
Rosaline. find a +30 Saurus merc
i dont have rosaline, i mistaken her for gwyneth
Help for anyone that are on 9-1 to 10-1
are you asking for help or what
Any help?
daimon doesnt gain energy fast enough and if he does get full he doesnt ult at all
hello i'm a new player, any tips on how i can start my good lineup?
Hello @valid light,
Please check out the pinned messages/guides in the #classic-questions and #lineup-help channels. Make sure to also utilize the #545929173471068170 by typing .guidelist in the channel.
thanksz
Getting kinda tilted im legit 1 off on all food to legendary
idk if im lucky or terribly unlucky with 255 rolls
what is a good line up, i am currently running:
- Daimon
- Grezhul
- Oden
- Desira
- Zikis / Leofric
Okay yeah I don't understand Alna GB at all
Like you sure Grez is meant to be a carry?
grez shares stats without him the team doesnt work
Grez is surely meant to be carry except where there is a daimon . But sometimes oden also carries that's doesn't mean grezh isn't carry but oden is .
help in this
Try this
Lyca
Daimon
Farael
Brutus
Tasi
But like it's consistent what ever fight I go to Oden is the carry
Read pins #classic-questions
We going fine, everybody but damien dead and enemy team is low, damien going fine, Vedan becomes bats and takes out damien in 2 seconds
Drop Rosa for Lyca, Shemira for Brutus, and Morrow for Arden
put brutus frontline instead of shemira
ok ima try dat
And stop making L tiers
They don't need to be built, just need levels
but arden doesnt use the same armor as talene
Stumped
No clue how to make enough space for ainz and diamon to carry here, can’t get satranas ult off to stall
@uneven heath try morrow instead of merlin and zikkis or lyca instead of ainz
Drop Talene for some random level 1 mage, or give Arden better gear
didnt work
always ends up with damien almost able to win but isa and vedan ults and damien dies in 1 second
wait that isnt a mage i put thats agility
arden got clapped by hogan
always this
i was able to push the rest of the stuff before it easily
vedan i rly hate fighting
if arden can use his root once then use tasi instead of lyca
vedans swarm of bats basically one hits my damien
Unfortunately they both die in any position without ulting 😔 may use the weekly carry on this
who did vedan target first ?
you should get him focus on brutus
by the time he uses his swarm of bats
theres only damien and whoever is in spot 5 even possibly left
brutus is long dead
even this time
vedan died, but damien still died super dang fast
best gear i have is all on damien
well i think this team is proll easiest to deal with those enemy
nara
brutus
eironn
thoran (at least lvl 121)
daimon
i dont have thoran
only daimon need high tier, other work at E
but i dont have thoran
you don't have him in your wishlist ?
i dont apparently
i thought he should be there for new player according to the guide
oh holy f, remove that shemira immediately, you get more than enough copy of her from stone and other event reward, replace her with thoran
ok
@pale kettle lyca, brutus, rowan, morrow, daimon. See if he can survive long enough to cast his eye on vedan. Time his ult just before vedan's energy is almost full. Use normal speed, not 2x.
remove nara and replace with grezhul too, nara work at E for a long long time
uh he didnt survive long enough
Silv got to him first?
strangely rowan survived 2nd longest then damien
lemme chek, yeah silv goes straight for morrow
then remove rowan armor, silvina should target him instead of morrow
poor rowan
Rowan can die, what you need is his cart only anyway.
sad but true 
i cant remember who is at 3
rowan
lyca
morrow
brutus
daimon
according to Taint
If you can't brute force vedan, you need some carefully timed cc to stop him from turning into batman and kill him fast. Morrow's ult, arden's roots, tasi sleep, etc. Play around with it at normal speed.
batman
lol vedan died so morrow didnt do anything
but we still lose
morrow spiderman'd batman and stichy killed him
So now it's isa that's killing you?
isa silv and hogan survive to take out damien
no clue how he dies so fast with his 200k hp gone in like a second but yeah
lyca did nothing but the haste buff and taking damage
swap morrow and rowan then, do it so he can mind control isa (if he can)
didnt even do 1 damage 
try swap brutus with lyca ?
this time it took longer for damien to die, morrow and isa had a little mage duel while hogan and silv took out damien
isa won tho
rowan bought all of his own potions
if so then you should retry a few time and hope that daimon take care of the rest
usually it won't be that hard for daimon if he is overleveled
especially when daimon already have his signature item
How do i engrave a character or whatever its called
ask it in #classic-questions
and EE only open for cele/hypo/dimensional and wilder for now (you need them at 1* A tier to use EE)
help
vedan keeps turning to bats and morrow never has enough energy to ult when vedan is ready
or hes straight up not alive
nara
thoran
eironn
brutus
daimon
hope that little b*tch tasi won't ruin your fight
YOOO WE WON
i experimented with some nara
nara somehow didnt die to isa and vedan was a pain cuz he would be at 1 hp and turn to bats but damien survived
nara with enough haste won't afraid of isa
i saved this as a formation, and whenever i see vedan isa and silv together, i just switch the morrow and nara to nara on same side with isa and it works
i have pushed 2/3 of chapter 14 already
anything unfunny about my lineup?
Stuck on a non-boss stage. Tried different comps several times but no luck. Pls help
This is what I got
use nara to hook the rat
Halp plz
I can't beat this (I also have Brutus at myth+)
Where's your Rowan 30
So saw this was a common team, does Zol need a specific artifact, waiting to get a merc for him
hey did you remember what comp u using in 25-18?
give me the enemy cuz i don't remember what they were
oh i used the standard eironn team with lyca, but its extremely rng and need tons of retry
darn i cant get a good helm and armor piece for daimon i tried the resets from weekly keeps giving me wrong factions lmao
yea i passed the stage cause rng lmao
finally
pushed very nicely, but please help vedan estrilda and belinda i hate in stages
Brutus, move Daimon to the back, forsake Shemira, use Either talene or Silias, use Lyca, and your team has no CC
?
Choose between syringe man and phoenix
Someone Who could helped me ?
Hey, could anyone help me with 32-56? I can win stage 1 eventually but stage 2… not making any progress, any suggestions?
(I know the current stage2 lineup is kinda crazy, was just trying some different things)
Mirror the formation, then replace talene with nara
hmm, seems to have same result, everyone just dies near instant,ainz is last alive, gets 1 ult off then dies. Is it just going to take me a crazy amount of retries?
Ive also got a +30 3/9 Lucy I can try running, but that seemed to be perfoming even worse.
I need some help on those fights pls
theres a helper clear with these units but a M+0 grez and 303 silas. is it possible for me to imitate it with my squad/artis?
daimon
fera
grez
thoran
silas
Ideas?
no copy of brutus? also please read pins in questions and stop making yellow heroes
I really need help on this, I’ve been stuck for too long
fera kinda shit without levels at that point. becomes a god with levels though. he really wants at least 221 iirc. a lyca would probably be more useful just for the initial haste/speedup. i'd remove fera or nara for lyca and maybe the other for rose to follow daimon to spam ults and hopefully get rolling.
Oh okok i will try that out thank you
don't get me wrong, fera is a beast once he gets 221 but before that he's kinda eh
Level 221: Any spirits which are summoned due to one of Ferael's abilities will remain on the battlefield for 5 seconds.
Worked like a fckng charm you are a godsend
Ohhh that makes sense
Help pls
what ch are you on/class artis do you have available? and do you have skriath 3F/eironn? cuz 5pull lucretia slaps most KT stuff pre-500
@pale kettle im chap 29 i have 3 furn chicken and 1 furn on Eironn
And i have the shield and the sword the 2 first class artis
So what should i do ?
uhhh lemme check what i did for FT if it's still saved
for GB tower i'd try
daimon (call/barricade)
grez (grace)
fera (eye/grace)
thoran (barricade)
oden (call)
are you close to powercapped in KT? i don't see what daimon/thoran are you doing. normally if you're going lucretia you build solely around lucretia
lucretia (longbow since shroud shield will get timed out by tasi petrify)
rowan (any arti but it won't matter)
brutus (barricade)
lyca (grace) (or random hypo for 3pc bonus)
albedo (barricade) (or random hypo for 3pc bonus)
Please help 
pls
Anyone Who could helped me here ?
Thoughts of what type
Anything I could do to get better
Stop leveling all your people
Well you seem to have built yourself into a corner with all the M heroes, which unfortunately all suck for the most part. Totally levelcapped, leveling more than 5 heroes which is another issue. Wishlist seems to have never been set according to a guide. Short term solution, make heroes M+ to get some more levels. Long term is going to be messy, you'll need copies to ascend these M heroes, then time to get working on the actually good heroes in each faction. Reading the pins in #classic-questions will address a lot of these issues, earlygame noobtraps you seem to have fallen for.
Hey, I've probably given it about 50 attempts, nothing even close.. any other suggestions? Or anything you would recommend mercing?
Is nara interrupting mehira's bat summon?
nara is fine if you get enough haste, you can solve this with +15 sig and call artifact
Nara just needs to interrupt the bats, you might need to put boots and call on her to make that happen. You'll know it works when mehira doesn't have 3 symbols above her head.
oh i see what you mean, thanks for pointing out those 3 symbols
Let me get some boots and call and see what happens
ohhhh okay, I see what nara is suppose to do now 😄 Thank you so much ❤️ ill give this a bunch of attempts. She hooked her in before she got the symbols (after I added boots and call)
Alright, beat stage 2 but I needed to add rowan because ainz couldnt ult intime.. lets hope stage 1 doesnt break
thank you all so much ❤️ beat it. and I learned how to use Nara !
Someone Who could helped me ? I also need 1 blu mauler to get chicken A with 3/9
no izold.....for gb tower...
Ye i don't have enough food to get him A
It's hard to get even more since im not using faction scroll in gb anymore
Don't necessarily need izold for GB tower until multis anyways
There is multis in faction tower ? Damn
what deficits do you push at for gb tower tho
Powercap lol
So what can i do ? For the 2 tower
Need help, tried a lot of times, got very close on 2 occasions but still failed
Ignore that ^
Finally completed on my 180th try
So anyone Who could helped me to on the lineup ?
Is this better? xd
😅 I have no one at the ascension crystal atm
you should read the guides imo
I’ll be honest with you, your account is a mess. You focused on the wrong heroes and you wasted many fodder
it's worse than a mess. You should probably just quit this account
Yeah I’ll just start over again, read plenty of guides and games tips and tricks
Any help here? stuck in last stage 😦
Try daimon rowan nara brutus lyca
Can i have help ? pls
what to use with einz, i was thinking of lucious and brutus for tanks and idk what else for backline
Yikes
Gwen middle, drop Lucius for Brutus, drop Silias for Lorsan or Tasi
At this deficit would I be better off going for this team+Zol or finding a Thoran team?
Thanks ✌🏼
Zol tasi is better rng here at any deficit
Stuck here and i want the chests :c any ideas?
Please help me
You could try and nara the Isabelle if she is the issue which she usually is for me
put ainz in the middle maybe?
one more tank
i beat that stage with shemira lmao
i am stuck here, help
Show me your full roster, stop using shemira.
Daimon.
Dies so fast
Alright then, Drop Nemora for Mehira
And maybe drop new guy for Arden, don't know what he does yet
Shes 90% of her potential at E
Oh okay
That's like her best feature, cheapest charms avaliable
What else
Usually at this low of a deficit Brutus could be optional, put lucius in front of Estrilda and Shemira on the front, you can put arden in
Oh you don't have arden
well with mehira usually you need a rowan too, she's not going to be of much use right now
It's a 10 deficit
I will try daimon
*30
Shemira doesnt survive in frontline btw
Everyone but Brutus is 180
Hello does anyone can help me please 🥺
Then remove the new guy and put brutus back in
did you forget how res crystal worked?
Probably
hang on, we might be talking about different things
the shem is at a 10 lvl deficit, but the mehira is at a 30 lvl deficit
Nah doesnt work
Mehira dies super fast,
isabella buff fcked up early game progression
usually gotta burst through her with a lyca and fereal
hey, put in a thoran and see who his taint goes to, if it goes to isabella you can kill her easily
Thanks that workes
np
now stuck at another stage lmao but it helped me clear like 14 stages
the bowman is only one who dies quickly, but he does decent damage thanks for the lineup
Fareal isn't damage, he's meant for CC
what about 0 deficit? 
Ah yeah thoran could prolly tank enough for lorsan to do damage
Pls someone help its a ruined account I have don’t say it
Can someone helped me pls ?
Who is Shemira attacking first? Thoran or brutus
Help
@pale kettle Brutus
Switch Thoran for rowan and lmk what happens
@pale kettle the same Nara grab isa shem focus Brutus then isa one shot Rowan brutus die then isa + shem focus daimon
try
daimon
Brutus
Eironn/oden
Thoran
farael
alternatively switch brutus and thoran
ty but i didnt help at all it seems 
I‘m stuck anyone got an idea what i could change?
Try lyca instead of thoran maybe
Or oden instead of Merlin? Daimon likes having a secondary carry
Lyca instead of merlin might be an option too seeing as merlin isn't doing much
Idk if zikis would help there either
Oden instead of Merlin indeed, Merlin is imo a bad choice there
The problem is my team cant kill anyone because I‘m doing to little damage. The enemy team always got 4 heroes left when my team is dead
okay finally it worked thanks!!
setup was:
Oden
Thoran
Ferael
Brutus
Daimon
Help me
Would this work
Could anyone please help me out?
is this a good team comp for the early game i just startd playing yesterday daimon lyca hogan ferael and arden
Struggling with this one. Daimon keeps getting eaten by the coffin or trampled by Estrilda.
Help is my deficit too big
not really, can you show me ur box?
50 deficit that early is totally doable, probably with some reset mashing. i dont think you should bother with ainz tho, he needs more investment and albedo ideally. post your unit box
50? That’s 30
pain help/ideas?
No Ainz?
Why not?
I'd probably make a gwyn team a burst team and a GB team but in all honesty you will get absolutely sat on by anyone within 40 levels of you
U still have a swap scroll?
whats a good second pvp team (no ainz since that would be my first)
Need more support. I doubt Grez is doing anything for you
Also Albedo with 9f but no si30 
That's the most concerning thing in this image to you?
Since I don't know your roster I'll just say alna GB or zolzap burst lol
No but still
dont have either alna or zolrath xd (unless you count them at e+. wich i doubt)
Luc cycle, budget burst, mono GB all options too
I got the albedo furniture all from random pulls lmao
Where rowan 
I bet you got fawkes rowan saf eironn shem gwyn lucius brutus from random pulls too lol
You left her on wishlist... Which is intentional.
Or you left wishlist spaces open, which allow for random pulls. Not ideal at all.
Either way, you willingly screwed yourself a bit on the furn :/
But in the end, there's a furniture wishlist, and you're supposed to fill all slots so that you only pull furn for those 10 heroes and nothing else.
You take off what is already at 3/9 or 9/9 depending on the hero
Well I’ve grown my collection over a long period of time and most of the 9/9s I have came from pulling with just a few heroes
No need 
??
Wow.
And by targets I meant red cards not wishlist, sorry that was my b
Ainz is a plus, but not having Albedo negates that. Ainz is useless without Albedo at higher deficits and may actually be disappointing earlier on. Albedo 9/9 is 📉
Ezio 9/9 is good, but Safiya.. that's a huge negative.
You do have Raku which is great, you can do Arthur Raku.
I'd say Lucretia 5 pull but unfortunately you somehow don't have Eironn built, which is not good at all :/ Lucretia is mainly used in 5 pull which requires him and Skriath 3F
I do have albedo....
Shit my bad you do, nvm.
Tbh dude I don't really see how I would personally make a comp beyond Ainz with that box
if ainz isnt cutting it, i would use some combination of grez brutus safiya merlin thoran
you should definitely fix up your wishlist and start pulling for priority champs- eironn lyca tasi raku kren ferael daimon etc
Some spicy picks there. Might be able to make a Brutus/Rowan/Mehira/Rosa +Raku or Kren team work if you have a copy of Mehira
Need help clearing this stage. Tried several hero combinations but I cant even get close enough to a win
What should I do
I’m stuck B)
Put eironn at bottom front?
Can someone helped me on this one lucius is anoying
Any tips for this stage? Or I just simply need more leveling? I got up to this stage with similar battle power and stuck
can some one help me on this one, I've been stuck at this stage for days ...
here is my current roster
It’s been awhile since I was your level, but Oden is not that good a carry early game. He needs signature item and furniture and then he’s a beast. At your level, you should raise Saveas to lvl 160 and use him as your main carry until the rest of your team catches up in levels.
What do I do?
oh, I see, understand I will to him as the main Carry
if u have nara replace rosa with nara then let the rng do the work
Someone Who could help me pls ?
Who should I switch out for eironn
@neon matrix first thing mirael in a middle hero second thing Eironn not gonna make a diff that much at this lvl and last thing put wukong in front and up him lvl 100 first ans watch the pins guide in #classic-questions
Ok
help meee thanks
Any help please
Help please- Thank you
Any ideas? Daimon only gets one ult off
Even removing Ferael weapon to get terrorize first off doesn‘t help
what to do, isabella kills thoran and lucious almost instantly, tried with brutus same thing
Are there any better lineups that could be made from my currently possessed heroes, the 1 am using right now is stuck at 9-20.
use daimon as main carry, wukong is not needed
alrighty, thanks vedo!
try this
Rowan
Niru
Daimon
Tidus
Rosaline/focused on daimon
legend
This brutus is so annoying in champion 😭
did it work
Would like some help here pls
Brutus, Lyca, Daimon, Rowan, Ferael/Mehira
yes, i had to roll for tidus tho😂 (thanks a bunch)
just remember 2 carrys on 1 team doesnt work
i will 🙏
help here, tasi + athalia is such a pain
Brutus, Lyca, Daimon, Rowan, Ferael/Mehira
it worked thanks
now i need help on this one
Heeelp 😦
@undone sleet thoran brutus
Lyca nara daimon
Or
Thoran brutus
Lyca daimon oden
@fiery wing
Grez daimon
Lyca rowan fera
@Exovius#0112
Daimon thoran
Oden grez fera
Teleport luci to otherside
Or use thoran cheese
With nara and lorsan
Been stuck for a bit now
use same lineup i sent to you, its the best lineup for daimon
Is it possible to win?
you need better support for that daimon,this lineup could ez take it Brutus, Lyca, Daimon, Rowan, Ferael/Mehira,
fereal
lyca
daimon
brutus
nara
No hav :(
ohhh :(((( i recommend you get one copy of brutus and lyca if they have not been on ur wishlist yet
help pls
You get them for free clearing chap 13 and 14
nara the isabella and frontline lyca brutus
thats 4 heroes
ohh ur almost there goodluck with that
Yez
i wish i could say daimon, but hes E+ use shem instead
lyca weak
lyca doesnt need to be strong she just a haste bot
lyca works at E
she epic only
my Lyca was E until chapter 20
nah doesnt work
I reached ch30 with Lyca E
Just use Lyca for the boost, even she is Ascended she will die before using her ultimate so....
nah no way, my lyca dies right away
Kinda doomed with that Lucius and Shemira ngl
and rest of heroes are dead after that

last time i played on this account is 1 year ago, shem was best carry and lucious best tank
Yeah, now they're the worst
i have daimon but i need to get him to m+
Absolutely your first priority
+20
The sooner you can move away from Lucius and Shemira, the better.
Also, I'm not sure how pvp is going to fare for you as you're on an old server with a really early account. You'll be missing out on a lot of tokens that are important for buying shop Celepogeans
Someone mind helping me with this stage?
and the ainz is coming soon, i need 14 more shards
I regret didn't pull Lucretia instead of Talene, now I have Talene to M
wait guys how to get dimensional stone faster
i need 15 more rn and have shem to link with ainz
Here's an edit
i need ainz dude, you guys are ch 30+ and can say that but me early game with fricked up team must save for ainz
Also, to be honest with you my dude, a new account with optimal pulls (wishlists, etc) can easily reach chapter 30 in 2 months
I have this account, and a 33
Hi guys, need help please
my rng is so bad
i started one, used my 10 summons and i got 7 shems even with the beginner wishlist
which doesnt have shem in it
It's not rng, it's mostly you on a very old acc with Shem and Lucius already built and have already expended a lot of the early game summons
So it's much harder to build up Daimon than if you were on a new account. There's codes that give free summons
oh okay ima start new one
this doable without kren?
You don't have to, but it's the best way I can see for you to get more enjoyment out of the game. It's not fun being stuck, I know the feeling
I have Ainz with 2 stars, but it dies before using his ultimate

??
Agree with you. RNG can be crazy sometimes ^
Ah ok
Did you set a wishlist first?
yes, which is the problem
What's the wishlist?
i will try again, it was begginer one from pins in #classic-questions
Have you redeemed all codes btw?
And ah k that's fine
ye all that worked
How do I fix the mess in which I have created lmao
It's not terrible for a start but you can reroll until you get a Daimon if you feel like doing that.
Daimon up, +20, no more ascensions unless to ascended
Or
Start new account 
Should I feed mirael to gwenyth
Not working sadly 😦
@worn pilot damn my rng is even worse this time, 3 copies of pippa
Hey guys, can anyone help me figure out what is the best team comp I can make for this tower? Literally impossible to even kill a single hero no matter what I do.
https://i.imgur.com/d5ub4p4.png https://i.imgur.com/gVUa0hU.png
@worn pilot 3rd time no daimon
What's the heroes you got?
saurus, 2 copies of lyca and numisu
mmm Saurus?
Which beginners guide are you using?
The new one in #classic-questions doesn't have Saurus in it
it was just becouse the first summon is random hero anyway
Ahhhh ok that makes sense.
i use that one, just i clicked summon 1 instead of 10
4 graveborn summons, only no daimon
If you get Rowan copies, that's also worth a start. You don't necessarily need to pull Daimon right away
Push campaign and get scrolls. Scroll exclusively GB and try for Daimon
Any idea to pass this stage? Please help :. )
Check your friends or guildies clear on stage info or try afkhelper
Afkhelper won't be very helpful in early game and middle game, because players don't have that flexibility in heroes
didn't work, my heroes aren't strong enough to replicate afk helper and the guildie clears are absent
See? ^
yeah, in-game helper is just 50mil+ power clears or https://i.imgur.com/6kgKAJ4.png
yes
thanks
reset brutus, take daimon to 180.
What should be a line up I focus?
If I reset Brutus, who will fill his spot in my team? Using Daimon, Brutus, Pippa, Mirael, Gwenyth
you'd put him on crystal
Daimon to 180
is anyone else as unlucky as me because i only get different heros and most of them are green so useless and i never get the heros i want, any tipps?
Time
i started a month ago or two
Show your box then, because something is wrong.
Do you do your wishlist
yes of couse
Show your full list of heroes
His box was said to never be seen that day
Any ideas?
Help
Need that brutus gone before zikis ult focuses him and messes me up
Ideas? Daimon only gets one ultimate off, everyone dies oneshot. Tried removing T1 weapon from Ferael to let him use terrorize first but didn’t change much
swap rowan and lyca, lyca frontline without dodge gear and shroud means she is just gonna insta die
also show box
Rowan front was even worse, died with one hit as well
What gear
can try eironn back mid or something
Problem is without Lyca I can’t land the terrorize to prevent Tasi banishing my Daimon
try swapping oden for farael
Nope 😕
fera rowan daimon as your backline, tho without rowan si idk if he will help all that much
Any help?
Ill try but probably not 😦
Would this stage be impossible without the Zol 3f?
Drop Safiya for Oden, you need a carry
Yes
Ah sorry this is the stage
You wouldn't happen to have one would you?
The purpose is for tasi to banish Flora before she flies up
Eironn is my carry
Without Zolrath 3f, good luck doing that
Not really good enough of one
Eironn Rowan Oden Hodgkin Lyca should work
Back to searching for one.
By that order @ebon hazel?
Yes, clear fully and select in that order
I meant for that stage
Yes
OkY I'll try thnx
@ebon hazel if not for your ”about me” .. 😂 thx man
?
i found the site that shows how to clear the stages 🤷♂️
Oh
Gwyn manages to live and kill all but niru and grez remain
Gwyn struggles in early game, even after, might be hard, I'm sure you're working one something else, but daimon is a good option
As for the stage, maybe Arden can root quick enough to let Gwyn ult
Maybe even saveas instead of Gwyn, kind hard with what you, mix it up and spam retry
Gwyn struggles
could've just left it there tbh only place i use her is tower
Still feels impossible to do. Isabella is my major problem although I don’t have Kara and I can’t use my rented heroes til 1 more day.
You're using three carry...
i've found that placing cecilia across from isabella in campaign is a pretty consistent way to counter her, might wanna grab a copy of her if you don't have her.
Ignore my current lineup by the way, I’m desperate, I believe I’m on my 80th try maybe
Maybe
Rowan-Brutus
Lyca-daimon-ninja ghost guy
But honnestly Nara is useful just for that, tasi could replace Lyca for stall
Okay, I’ll try that
Might have to wait to lvl up daimon
Diamon is 141 with my crystal now
Sometimes you just have to wait
@pale kettle you could try
Lyca
Alna/Brutus
Gwyneth
Lyca
Shemira
Put duras blade on gwyn, call on shem maybe. Swap things out
You can also put gwyn on 5 instead of 4 if you're still worried about that Isabella
Farael is just eating my team
Eye is also good on gwyn
What makes Cecilia good for Grotesque Mage, and what is a good comp if you do not have her>
Damage reduction and dps
Help please! I have room in my RC if it can help
Help pls
Also have E Mortas, Ezizh and Athalia. What is a comp that I can use to deal high damage to the corrupted mage without using Cecillia?
@random forge you need grez for this one
You can also look the team used by the better player on this boss to see what you can used
Every team in the top 50 is the exact same comp
but I don't have cecilia, and don't have any space to borrow one so it isn't an option.
Do you have drez ? Maybe he could work instead of Cecilia
I posted everything I have that is in my Resonating crystal
Anyone got tips for ya boy
Well with your box i can give you a team that gonna give you at least D2 maybe D1 but it's not rlly a meta team for this boss
Use Daimon in slot 5 and rowan in front of him
supports can be very useful on the front line, because they have good survivability, and diamon is better suited for being on the backline.
You could still try but without Cecilia i can't find anything else
So what's the win condition for this? Rewind or just enough damage?
Help?
Enough stuns from Kren. Kren 30 makes this stage crazy easy.
Yeah got it already, just gotta trudge through my Thoran now

Anyone?
i die rly dang fast, i have tried so many formations none worked
Hi I need help, I can get on with my stage net, chapters 17-6, and need help with my deck. These are my cards that I have now
Try Lyca Brutus, Cecelia Daimon Zika
zika?
whos zika
Zikis, my autocorrect is still learning
o
ouch
Oops was looking at wrong enemy team, switch Cecelia and Daimon
Yeah uhm.. so I started a few days ago
Press the kill button.
You need someone with CC, Arden is going to be your best choice
And don't use Solise, she's garbage
Wdym the kill button also what is CC
Crowd control, stuns and fears and stuff
Who would be the best option for the bear he’s annoying 😂
Rowan Brutus or Thoran
brutus
or a talene healbot
oh I didnt realize he was asking for mercs
ah
put in zikis for now
Last time people just ran ainz and hoped for the best
grez rowan frontline
eironn daimon nara backline
worked for me with quite a few resets
Everyone just straight melts, idk what to do
post the stage too. also stop making non-fodder heroes L. probably all of your issues with getting stuck will be fixed by following the pinned posts in #classic-questions. as for a general team- mirael or raku can be good carries, until you get daimon copies and pivot to him. rowan grez lucius tasi hogan can round out your team. generally mirael L+ 160 will be the best carry for earlygame.
ainz doesn't work on this one. I couldn't tell you why but it won't count it.
there are a few gwyn ezio teams that work
I was able to do it with ainz by adjusting gear until his ult killed skriath/drez but not anoki 
izold is not worth using as a tank here. use brutus instead. shemira is also a bad hero, stop building her asap and build an actually good carry instead- more info on this can be found in guides in #classic-questions or asking people there. as for this stage. you can probably bruteforce it with
shemira/zikis
brutus
nemora (to charm ferael)
rowan
lyca/tasi
charming ferael with nemora is usually a big help against GB stages earlygame. takes a LOT of refreshing though, especially at your level. you can also try for mehira charm here if nemora isnt working.
Nem charm is a good suggestion. Don't forget to give her haste too. Only problem tho is isa will prolly 1shot her first with her void barrage.
im sure glad i got through earlygame before isabella buff lol
it might be doable with lyca, otherwise id just roll with mehira or lyca in mid spot, or maybe lyca up front rowan mid
cries in 10 copies of shemira thanks for the suggestions, I'll give them a shot!
were you buying them from lab store?
I bought one, the rest are from rolls and chapter reward/king tower i think
well, she will be a good dimensional link for arthur merlin or whatever collab they run next at least. but save the fodder for better GBs, stop ascending her and definitely do not waste emblems on her SI
also, dont buy any more normal faction heroes from lab store, just buy arthur shards
Roger that
Pain..
I can't replace grez (helps estrilda cc, hogan can work similarly but not worth when I have grez), cant replace lyca (need haste or all fails).
Can't really use eye on gwyn here even though there's consistent crits with flame arrow
need help here thanks
Daimon
Brutus
Merlin/rowan
Thoran
Lyca/ferael
@fiery wing
thanks it worked im gonna stay here on 26-8 for a while
@fiery wing yw
I need help beating this
Have you already cleared the other parts of the map or is this your first time fighting them
First time
Also idk where to go cause the “witch” is blocking
Now lose
Huh y
You're supposed to, it's dumb I know
Wtf how do i do this?
Lose
Let it lose?
Owh you do need to lose lol, thx

I think you should focus on maxing daimon first, instead of making others 140
Do you not have nara?
I don't have Nara. Is she necessary? And do I need to change my formation?
Try using nara instead of rosaline and put her face to face to the isabella
Btw dont put your alna in front of horsie, she will not proc her immunity
And stop leveling up the others for now and make daimon 160
I don't have Nara, is there anyway to exchange for her? Or other unit options?
need help here thanks :))
yes she is for me a necessity, but anyways you should have her theres a free nara copy in the newbie event
See if Gwen Fereal or Rowan work instead of Nara
the fereal works thanks, but how about this one?
Use Brutus across from Athalia and Thoran in front of Werak with Lyca in front of Skreg.
great, thanks it works
Someone can help pass this please, i'm really stuck and i can fins the team than can beat this level
Someone please help, I have been stuck here for 2 whole days, I have tried using Saveas as carry, but he melt like butter ...
send help thanks
try
nara
thoran/golus
mira
lyca
oden/daimon
my team cant survive without silas 😦
I tried
then silas in exchange of oden
Hey there am a bit stuck on this level, any tips ?
not working out
you should only use a single carry (whoever is the strongest among mirael, daimon,shemira) and 2 supports
hmm thing is, mirael is strongest of them all but my defensive units all die almost instantly
who among the enemy team is doing the highest damage? If there's only 1 such unit who deals majority damage, try pulling them with nara, and you can use your rowan to heal as well I guess
it's 3 of them
all 3 in the backline?
more like the two in the front line and shemira
try swapping out daimon and shemira and use rowan, rosaline instead. you'll get a faction bonus and some heals and stuff
yeeeh that was my starting formation rowan/rosa but they change absolutely nothing cuz the tanks die the first 2 seconds
👀 now thats a big problem
yeeh xD tried pulling for a second thoran/lucious but my luck said no xD
This is what I currently got available
have you tried making mirael a frontline? sometimes it works and you get an extra support instead of a tank (rare cases tho)
hmm not exactly.. that gives me an idea, hold on
No one want to help me 😢
you need to block golus and then add a target for saveas given he will most likely melt your team
I think your daimon needs to tank saveas, unless your tank is tanky enough to survive against him
u have brutus?
Thank you 😄
Thanks 😁😁
No 😭
silas
grez/gorvo
nara/eirron
daimon
rowan
use your nara
I Will try my best thank you very much
dude stop making too many L thats a very waste of fodders
try
rowan
lucius
mira
hodgkin
rosa
made them only by using fodders xD
but you wasted fodder if you cant get them to L+ 😦
that's just my luck with pulls, most of them were unique
you could have just save them for better heroes
besides the stats from E+ to L isnt that much
tried farming for lightbringer: lucious/rosa and for grave: tharon/hodgkin but couldn't get multiple of the same
you dont farm for other factions besides graveborn, daimon is the one you should be focusing because hes a beast all your fods should go to him
hmm yeah but only just got him yesterday xD
you lucky to have him L so its not the end of the world, just spend your fods to him only and always choose gb scrolls/cards
currently that's the focus but waiting for tomorrow for more chances to pull\
yea good, and stop making L heroes unless you can make him/her M
Hi, someone can help me ?
Up, I still need some help, can anyone give me an advise ? 😫
Also, I forgot but here my box
It worked very well thank you so much 🛐
told yea daimon can be a beast you just need to give him the best supports for him
I did this stage with
silas
zikis
tasi
golus
lyca
Triple silas utt on zikis, tasi alive to use ult, lot of rng involved and took 200+ tries. My team power was 218k so much like yours. Try using arden, rowan, nara in place of tasi, lyca I guess. And aim for good silas ults on your carry and arden roots on mainly khasos (that guy 1 v 4ed my team 3 times)
Too smart for me 😅
so you only push fodder to E+?
early game = L+
wow, that for the great details, but sadly I don't have Tasi and Lyca, I follows the beginner guide and pour all my factions into gb atm
read the guide in the pins at the #classic-questions
i advise that u merc that stage and hold on unto chapter 12 until your Daimon is beefed up dont worry its 12 hours until reset so its ok to hold on
Who should I lend to beat this level?
lyca
thoran
daimon
brutus
nara
Thanks! Will this Nara do? I don’t have any other Nara to borrow
yes yes, wait you dont have nara? just borrow ainz or a better daimon i have daimon if u like
I don’t have a Nara unfortunately, I thought you could only borrow ainz in the garrison? I can borrow your daimon too
okie just add me, but try to find a friend that has maxed ainz in #mercenary
I will. Thanks!
does this line-up have potential in both king’s tower and campaign?
Need help been stuck on this one for a while
This lineup worked
can ya guys help
#classic-chat message (rosaline is now 60, talene is now 61)
(no i dont p2w)
i need 3 viable team for legend challenger tourn., i have a hard time figure out who to put with who (ive read the pins)
Try putting eiroon on the very bottom to suck in Isabella.
Take out Tasi?
I tried replacing Rowan or Tasi with Eironn, still no luck. Maybe my units are still under level?
Reset your heros and spend it all on daimon instead. He'll be your carry (if you're more focused on progress, if not, do whatever you want)
should I keep skreg or Brutus?
What level did you put your daimon at?
I haven't reset the units yet. Currently daimon at 147. The rest at 140
Can you level up daimon at the moment without having to reset?
Daimon is cracked at mythic and above
Daimon is already at mythic. What level does he need to be cracked?
Just get him to 180 (it's the max at mythic)
Have you done his sig items yet? It's pretty good.
His sig weapon at +19 now
Aight then just focus on getting him to 180
Is there like a requirement where you need 5 units at level 140 to get past level160?
i have a requirement for my damien for the rest of ppl on pentagram above lvl 160 to upgrade damien
Ohhh I forgot about that-
i rly hope its at 160 not above cuz that will take ages
please help? i have been stuck here for ages
So I'm guessing there is this requirement. Haha. Anyway thanks
Rowan
Daimon
Nara/eiroon
Brutus/talene
Lyca
ok ill try
maxed him if you can when it comes to investment make him 203
Not there yet but I'll keep in mind. Thanks!
didnt work
i also gave them all the best gear, ill try again with brutus
What's exactly the problem? Like who's the main problem on the enemy line.
lemme see if i can see who it is
uh nevermind
i was gonna try and see who it was, but damien pulled through, thansk for ur help anyways
Help
ok now i got stuck on the chapter boss, lets see if i can beat it, but if i cant ill be back here
i can make sure i wont get stuck for more then 9 hours cuz mercs come soon
yay i beat it
I’m aware I fucked up my ascensions and have shit people but its what I’ve got I had this acc for 2 years+ can someone tell me what to I dont even have a main team idk what to make with this
Help
Have you tried swapping daimon with oden so he portal the estrilda on brutus?
Many times
Daimon gets about 2 bursts but then brutus gets to him
Need help on this one, I get destroyed too fast
Put Brutus in front of estrilda and daimon behind brutus
I need some help
swap eerion and silas
Stuck eihwjd
It says I should have thoran on my team, but who should I replace him for?
hjelp pls
Didn’t work but thanks
@fervent lodge maybe wukong
I got destroyed, pls help
Stuck for some time alr rn, anybody got some help?
Struggling with the RNG on this one, is there a way to narrow it down? What should the gears look like?
309 flora is really bad for cheese, maybe thats the issue
Hey I'm going for the golden challenge for the misty valley, but am having a hell of a time trying to kill 2 back lines first, any ideas?
hope for some nice rng and manual ainz or try lucretia 5pull
Pls help
hi do you knovv hovv many level vve need for animated avatar -- i tried zikis but my map is not enough i guess vvhen open animeted avatar anybody knovvs ?
?
you need to get zikis to ascended to get the animated avatar. also its not really relevant on this channel
try
daimon
rowan
nara
thoran
tasi/zikis/estrilda/rosa/grez
u need to unlock heroic ship first by having 10 ascended heroes, then after that you need to reach Zikis to Ascended in order to get the animated Avatar
@fiery wing 10A lang ata pre
ay 10 nga hahaha mb
thonks
i saved for animeted avatar but ...
bruh you have so many
can not get even i ascend
this photo vvas old .d i opened 700x scroll 2400x purple stone 1500 comp points
@royal topaz which animated pfp are you going for? Heroic ships lasts for 2 months (?). If you can't get the ones running now, there will always be next time for another hero
Need help this one is really hard, though I think if daimon can manage to somehow get 3 ults in it could be possible
daimon
rowan
fereal
thoran
lyca
Thanks took a few tries but it worked 😁
np
when does lucretia get good?, sorry wrong chat
assuming i have every celerity hero except zikis, can you build at least two strong, synergized ranger-only teams for me on AE please? i'm on bottom-left side (the one with desira as the boss, or whatever). i tried asking this many times in the AE chat but no one will give me a straight answer.
With her signature item at M
oh, so i gotta mythic her then i can use her huh
This is my availability for celerity heroes
Need help pls
I did it nvm
Help? 
help me thanks
Is there any way to beat this chapter without leveling up all heroes to a higher cap? Would also appreciate help with what formation would be better if the current one isn't so good
use your main carry, a tank or 2 and remaining supports instead of the triple carry you are using right now. You got some awesome supports like rowan, silas. Use one of them and maybe a rosaline to follow the carry or arden for his rng roots.
something like
rosaline
estrilda
mirael
thoran/or someone else tanky enough
rowan/silas
help me choose my lineup thanks!
rosaline
daimon
rowan
brutus/wukong
arden
seems good
thank you sm!
btw should i max daimon or wukong first?
daimon pls, reset wukong and go daimon. Dont make him or any other A tier heroes (4 skill heroes) Legendary if they dont have 4 copies. And read the guides in pinned if you havent already
Okay thanks.
What comp do i make for daimon, rn i dont have any good healer so is this okay with rosaline
daimon can frontline in these early chapters, use a tank and 3 supports, like oden, arden maybe. Atleast thats what i did
Okay thanks, but do i stick with rosa
probably, worth a try
actually rosa is fine until you get a silas/oden
I have oden but i need someone to support daimon in general, he is only e
you can run
rosa
daimon
arden
thoran
oden
Okay i will try that thanks
dont worry you still early there will be more summons to come from
also getting a couple of daimon dupes will have a huge help
what lineup can beat the third one
Who are the units you used on r1?
prince, ainz, albedo, thoran, rowan
that one kills all np but the one i postet i have np chance
Try brutus, thoran frontline. Daimon, tasi, oden backline. Try to teleport eironn using oden so he can't grab your units
ok thanks i try that
5 trys no chance
hmm why does screenshot not work 😦
fun part is backline dies first
what’s a good team comp for campaign I’m on chapter 7 and it states playing like 5 days ago
help i'm stuck :((
use ur nara
Instead of who?
a good lineup atm would be
oden
daimon
fereal
lyca
nara
it worked but like almost everyone died but i just have to level them
thats normal lol whats important ur daimon lives
you might want to read the guide in the pins at the #classic-questions channel
I require help
Someone please help, daimon survives for about 2 ults then dies
Rowan
Brutus
Daimon
Lyca
Ferael/mehira
need help, anyone. oden is there to tank silvina's 1st shot thats all.
he cant, thats the point, use your hogan
if i do that, silas gets clapped
doesn't work
try few times
anybody?
u have eirron?
only at E
eirron works at E, but you have thoran?
Again only at E
Fereal/Lyca
Thoran
Eirron
Brutus
Daimon
who should replace on resonating g crystal?
i reached chapter 27 with an E+ eirron and thoran
oh damn
numisu and nemora imo
if u want a stable daimon comp try this one you wont regret it
ok ty, my shemira is kind of falling off I feel.
shem sucks atm shes only a dim link bot, and anyways try to beefed up daimon as you can all of my shem copies i used as a fodder
ok, I just won that easy. whysnit so good?
what good
why is it so good?*
the comp
that lineup works good because of eirron pulling and daimon's SI since eirron succs enemies to stall, daimon has the time to steal their stats and just kills everyone in the process, the only time that comp will not work when there are disablers, or like estrilda or smth
for me thats the best early game stable daimon comp
ah, what do I do against disables? the guy that's circled just cancels eironn
still need help
you need to have more haste on eirron or use a lyca instead of fereal
ok thanks for the help
What team and lineup i can do i can merc a Luc if needed
daimon comps are your best bet
@regal valve what's the lineup of a Daimon comps ?
The first one it would be Daimon against Athalia he's gonna die in 1 sec
