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don t use daymon for few reasons. First he s E, second he s not good before M, third mirael is better carry before 160 level
ye most of the time ainz and lucretia... daimon also but he is not that high missing gear <.<
then, how shoul setup my team?
I m using T2 but I find he more depends on supports then gear. If he doesn t have right support for right enemy you can try as much as you want
yes true.. still dont have him full faction and full t2 ^^
what s mirael level?
ainz is also not full T2 and faction missing the shoes
all 120, i have only 3 L and im waiting for 2 another for the 140lvl
maybe luc won t work if she gets banished. I d rather use ainz, especially since you have the best possible merc
L heroes can go 140 level
your carry should be max level and others just getting remaining exp
dude you need T3 ainz lol
ooh mirael is the mage, i was thinking about fareal my bad
yeah btw i have her 140 L
then just replace daymon with her and if that doesn t work put arden instead fareal
got the stones... still missing the shoes xD i dont get them in the shop rip me
well you got the hunting fields chests 4 times
the t3 is not the problem ^^
ah yea, I was forcing that since ainz came out. I bought every piece of it as soon as it came to my shop. Second option is that you build T3 for rowan or tasi or somebody else and use it on ainz until you get his shoes
building rowan atm ^^
so i can later use him
my Lucretia got more luck.. full T3
but still at 3/9
I m using M+ lucretia with full T3 š
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nothing, silviana is just oneshot my mage
even if i pull her away my frontline just mealt
you using arden?
yeah i tried but nothing, i don't have tanks nice
well that s the usual problem. You can t do much abaut it especially vs saves. 141 will give brutus longer invicibility but you are far away from that. Rowan might help you or rosaline
so basically i can't do nothing?
well you would have to experiment a lot to see if anything works but you can always use merc
How I can do this help me pls
it's a second account, I haven't had much luck the first account is way ahead of this. Should I just drop? I always get stuck and can't move forward because I can't find fooders that I can bring to L +
that acc is not bad. You did everything right. Now you just need more levels and you ll get there
Are you ascending your fodder manually?
Cause if you use 'smart ascend' - stop.
Its not very smart.
manually
never used smart ascend, i just don't find them
every 10 pull they give me like 2 fooders, in the first account i have a lot of L+ fooders jesus
who is supposed to be your carry? You should read pinned guides at question channel
Oh ok
Can someone help
Saveas is eating my heroās
have you tried with tasi instead lucius or fareal?
Yeh
She gets shredded tho
izold is not really tanky, have you tried with ogi?
He gets one shot as well, rlly anybody I put there does bc of the saveas
I need Ainz to ult twice but that doesnt happen
does she manages to banish anybody?
U usually the grez
well rowan with good SI will help you with that š
Sometimes she banishes thane
what arti you have on her?
Call, idk if it's a good idea arti on her tho
haste is good so she banish faster
Which arti
do you have rowan?
call gives haste
Yeah but her heals after she dies doesnāt rlly help
Otherwise if it doesnt work with tasi I'll wait 1 day for the choice pack to reset to get rowan to M
But I doubt M rowan will help with it
how much can you boost his SI?
I still need the hero choice pack to reset
It resets on the 28th
Instantly I can prolly get it to +6 dont have that many emblems
but you need to have emblems ready before that
Ok but how many emblems do u need
225 purple and 250 golden
Please help me build my team. These are my heroes.
How to beat this? I dont understand how mehira works
should i begin switching over to the Mirael carry? what would you guys recommend
Any suggestions?
not sure what to do
Any tips?
I haven t played with daymon as carry a lot but rowan should be better then gwyneth at that spot. Btw can you garison ainz?
or mehira
have you read pinned guides in question channel?
you could after 101 level
in first second of battle mehira sacrifice her life to summon 3 bats which deal insane amounts of damage and heal her when she is dealt fatal blow. You need to stop that summoning with nara or athalia
read pinned guides in questions channel
read pinned guides in questions channel
Ok tnx ill try to merc athalia tomortow
you don t have nara?
Only elite
that s fine, I don t have more then E+
Yes
so you know that you shouldn t have made lucius L?
That was before i read it or was on the discord so yea
okey, I would level up mirael to 120 if possible and place her in middle and remove daymon. Place rosaline where is daymon and rowan where is rosaline
Ok
hi guys, any ideas how to beat this?
stuck here
what should i merc/change team to
can anyone help me, can show hero box
Can someone help with a lineup for this? I'm stuck.
7-16 Iām saving Lucius for something else
The formation on the screenshot apparently worked for someone on afkhelper. Yet to work for me tho
asking again since i didnāt get a response before, any ideas for a formation for this? tried it myself with no luck and afkhelper hasnāt helped either
Any Help? On switching or upgrading?
Rosaline for Lucius
wukong best hero
So what do i do? Place rosaline on wukong?
idk Iām lvl 18
Ok
monkey and brutus/skreg frontline, backline mirael + nemora kren, i guess its fine to use merlin for now.
have you tried making rosa follow daimon or did that not work ?
Let me try
wut you mean by frontline and backline
idek how to set that
when you go on campaign you place units, you have 2 front line slots, and 3 back line slots
k will be pro now
have you read pinned post in #classic-questions
kinda
recommend you to do it, a bit of reading but you are usually good to go at the start
worked
Hi im new to this game, bug I've played similar games. This are the characters I have.
My current team is:
WuKong Eironn
Shemira Rowan Safiya/Mirael
sounds good ? try to place more levels on monkey though, he will only go till 100(?) but you can give the exp to someone else later on
Roger that! Is there any type of tier list?
have you arranged your wishlist ? thats usually solid to aim for, tier lists usually take more individual than an entire team.
Thanks! Anyone in particular you'll like to recommend? Or it doesn't matter?
there is a pinned post on #classic-questions , its a good overall, but i can also pm you some screenshots if you want
That would be really useful! Thanks!
What heroes should i focus on and upgrade? Or just upgrade heroes to try to reach max?
Just got my 5m hero xp beating chapter 8 so yea i have 6m
Is this line up any good?
Idea?
any ideas? None of the copycat formations work even if I have better levels and investments. And I still dont understand why, with some its not even some close call where I almost win but cant get it but rather literally just get rolled over unable to do anything when someone else somehow won with the same formation but worse
How geared is your Rowan?
any helpers in the chat 
Any changes I should make?
Your team is straight up 4 carries at a Tank you need support
Who would be ideal for me atm
K so keep Belinda
Replace Shem? For Rosaline/numi?
How do i defeat this stage
I was told that I had the wrong idea against Kane, the idea behind the lineup I was using being that Kong and Talene are immune to his OHKO while the others are supports that don't do direct damage.
Anyone else have better ideas?
...having trouble uploading my hero list for some reason
After three tries, fine, just the first page.
Just got my swap scroll. Should I switch with anyone here or stay what I have
only one I might do is shemira > daimon but that's relatively low value
Ok. If you had a wishlist who would u like swap with
not sure what you mean
I worded that dumb lol. Who should I aim for to make that swap more valuable
the swap is meh because shemira is only 203 (that I can see)
preferably you swap a big mistake of a +30 or 9F, but a 203 daimon when you have no good carries isn't so bad either
Sheās 240. Only +20 and 3F
203 is si 20 3f lol
Oh lmao. Sorry Iām total noob. Just started 2 weeks ago
Ty guys for the help tho. Iāll keep working on her then make the swap to be more beneficial
noooo no that's not how that works
shemira investment is wasted, either you swap her now or stop investing
Suggestions?
hello
Any advice? Just started 3 days ago
Why tf everyone pulling talene
She's a fine unit
Read the pinned guides in the question channel
I'm pretty sure every beginner pulls like a celes or hypo and i get stuck with orthros
Kinda stuck
This is potentially a long shot but have you tried swapping ferael out for Twins? Do they live long enough to ult?
I am genuinely lost here without any Eironn to stop both Tasi and Nemora, I'm asking for a merc Eironn now but is there anything I could do with this?
Hi I tried faerel but before he ult he just die. Same for all basically except for Daimon
Try switching Lyca and Daimon and leave Ferael in there instead of Rowan and lmk what happens
Thanks took like 10 retries but got it!
Is that my strongest lineup? What should I use instead of Nara when I donāt need her?
Just keep using her but donāt invest anymore
Save swapscroll for later
I'm stuck
Whatās the best lineup for this.
Tasi for lucius
ok i'll try that thanks
talene out, lyca in. Try swapping her to brutus' spot and brutus to the front, if you have some dodge on ur lyca might be okay
Still stuck on this one.
Ferael out, try to hook that tasi with nara. I'm pretty sure you can push til ch 30 with that line up and level
Just keep trying?
What can I do? Thats the comp afk helper suggests but its not really working
if you look carefully at that comp it has 309 Brutus which lives a lot longer than 203 Brutus
i used another comp to do M387 and had to macro for half an hour max. Brutus Barricade, Tidus Shroud, Numisu Call, Skriath Warden of Arcane, Safiya Windbinder
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/855152216154963992/857985795347316786/image0.png
Which is better at +30 sig item and 3/3 furniture, izold or daimon?
Daimon
Did it with this Lineup š¤
I think you generally have better heros than me. You have Rowan. I need Rowan bad smh
Thanks for your help I managed to get it
Any help for this one?
Nvm I got it
Any thoughts for this?
stuck here, not sure what lineup to use
Help me pls
Can you help me make third team since 5 pull isn't great I think
I'm stuck please help, any tips as well will be appreciated, thank you
any ideas how i can do that?
If anyone has any ideas any help will be appreciated(no nara/athalia)
Anyone have any ideas?
Bind your merlin and prince
Is this possible or my lineup should be in a more higher rating to finish this?
too many carries, use 2 max. Use rowan middle instead of shemira and try like that. Replace wukong too if doesn't work
Any ideas?
I think you should put more levels in monkey for now. Mirael will be good carry after 101. EDIT: I just realized that you can reset your heroes and raise mirael levels above 101. You should first do that and then raise levels from rest of your team
does pop manage to dodge athalia attack?
can someone help me im stuck
Try brutus instead of shem
Fereal
daimon
Silas
Brutus
Shemira
Tysm
@tender drum get daimon sig to +20 asap also
Hi All, I was looking for some advice on who i should use dimensional keys on and who i should bind to a dimensional.
I have 2 dimensional keys btw
And yes I have never bound any dimensionals lol and it is starting to hurt in pvp
@fringe wedge shem luci fawkes belinda are great binds.
I know youve gone heavy in them, but they arent good heros. Some have niche but its meh
Try garrison albedo, you need to pair her with ainz
Thanks. Sounds like a plan
I stall push cause I am lazy so I am not running into pve issues, just pvp
You just have to aim for certain meta compa
Kicking myself that I couldnt get Albedo at the time
Anything?
I reposting because Iām still stuck. Help is appreciated.
@ember belfry lvls and you need some1 to tank that enemy saveas, brutud is best if you have. Otherwise you need CC
Try
Daimon
Rowan
Eirron
Prince
Tasi
I donāt have Brutus and my things are capped at 120 as u need more L or L+ fodders
What positions?
Rowan prince frontline others backline
Tysm!
izold is a better option for that, daimon can work at 20 signature item and 3 furniture for a long time
is there a way to thoran cheese this stage
You can't cheese it until you've killed Ezizh first. Ezizh cancels ult, rendering Thoran completely useless.
ideas?
Hi, any suggestions? Maybe other hero I can ask as mercenary would help?
Help plz? I know about my L mistakes
nvm got it. wasnt working at all and then all of the sudden daimon ults. a bit of time passes and he does two back to back ults and kills everyone but shemira. and then he ults again for a 4th time after a bit and kills shemira
Try:
Talene
Grezhul
Gwyn
Eironn
Belinda
what heroes should i use and in what order
reset thane or saurus and level up wu kong
i dont have a wu kong also i just summoned lucious
Read pinned guides in #classic-questions
my clear was Thoran Daimon Ainz merc rowan ferael (rowan and thoran with chalice daimon with call and fera with eye maybe)
Lucius trash. Wu Kong is free from event
Go to events tab. Something with sharing to fb
i think now you just go to event and theres a share option right there
this might not work but try rowan frontline and athalia backline to disrupt either the tasi or the mirael
lemme find my clear, brb
3 more stages and im in ch 29. So close. Then I just gotta do ch 29 and I can rest
i did lyca thoran frontline fera eerion daimon backline
oops wrong picture
didnt wanna nara the mehira? @pale kettle
powercap wouldnt let me use her
ah
btw. finally in the RC
used all my dust boosters cuz at the end of ch 28 you basically get the full quantity
@pale kettle so what heroes should i use
reset either thane or saurus and get wukong to level 100
i reset them all so tell me which 5
are the best and what order should i put them
@pale kettle
@pale kettle did it with this in the end
grats! 
depends on stage, basic formation would be two tanks front line, two supports and a carry backline
and so which 5 are the best out of those heroes
rn wukong is your carry. Once you get legendary fodder heroes like mirael and arden those will be your carry and team. At which point you reset wu kong. And once you reach lvl 160 daimon will be your carry and you can start using those legendary+ fodder heroes to ascend daimon and others @rapid flume
...
you can also use daimon still at the same time tho. perhaps even ascend him immediately if you get 4 copies of him. He is great
something tells me someone didnt read the pinned guides in questions, i highly suggest you do so @rapid flume
any1 got any ideas?
i dont think u need a merc for this stage, put brutus vs the thane and your daimon vs the lucius
if that doent work brutus rowan daimon prince luc
How to kill frontline first
Which round of MV is this?
I just used ainz comp until it popped
Any new pvp guides posted within the last 2 months?
Already answered you in #classic-questions
I'm having trouble with Kane killing my merced Grez instead of Talene. I don't see anyone else with this issue. What am I doing wrong?
Kane kills whoever had done him the most damage at that point. So your talene needs to do more damage than him.
Talene is max furniture, 30 si, but T2 gear as opposed to T3 gear for Grez. Is that the difference?
Could be. Personally I need to manual and have Grezhul not ult, Twins and talene ult, and that does the trick for me.
it's a pretty common issue. you can try doing fewer ults with grez, or using 9/9 silas (only ulting talene after talene ult)
Thanks for the tips. I'll give them a try
you never 5 pull with eironn in p1, always p4.
I am aware
can anyone help, can show hero box if needed
oh really? this is interesting
Yeah diamon can carry far
How tf do u kill niru
You need tank
you have Thoran which would be fine the problem is you have like 3 diff rangers which are all incredibely squishy and Ainz isn't gonna do jack if he doesn't have protection
Should i throw in brutus instead of prince?
If you want. Honestly Prince works well with Eironn because when he does the sucky Prince can stun due to the high enemy density. But if you're Ainz is dying too fast then use Brutus
I also suggest putting eironn up front so he can pull 3 people
Pls help
We need to see your heroes to help
You lack nara, so try rowan, fera front, Tasi, Daimon, Eiron back
Put eiron in middle so he can pull mehira
Have you tried Izod?
Dude i love you
Stuck on this stage for 2 weeks and now i cleared it easy. You're my hero ššš
Oh, wow, your welcome!
I did try izold btw and he died every time before even ulting
Well after ulting he shouldn't have problem with winning. What supps you used?
Silas, Rowan
And rest of the team?
Daimon, grezhul
Lol, you can t stack multiple carries in team
Lyca, fareal, Nara, Tasi and thoran as tank would all go better
So choose daymon or Izod as carry and these other heroes as your support. Eirron also goes as support for daymon
You got good numisu as well, just get his SI to 10
Is this a good comp? Or should i swap joker for queen/rowan?
Well you did ainz si30 before albedo so that's a bit of a booboo
Yeah albedos close shes like 27 i think
You are building your heroes well. Have you read pinned guides in question channel?
I regretted it too
Honestly you don't need prince or joker in ainz comp imo. Put rowan and Ferael instead for support
I am building some of my heros and no i haven't looked at the guides yet
Sounds good thanks
I will always say that ainz 30 give him decent stats. It doesn't hurt you so much. I tried both ainz and albedo 30 first and. It s not terrible difference
But i should keep arthur and albedo tho?
Yes
Ok
You'll have multi fights in less than 2 chapters so you'll use joker and Prince too
Yeah
Honestly if you get Raku to si30, then that's your second team right there basically
Oh okay thanks for the tips!
Read guides and it will be clearer what you need to do
Ok thanks
Yup, still clearing ch 30 with this level
@sleek delta oh wow thats amazing any tips?
Let me see your box
Daimon, brutus, rowan, tasi, ferael. Then you can slot thoran, lyca, nara for some stages. Just play with hero positioning, easy clear til ch 30
Call, so she can spam her ult
Chapter 11-35 and lab hardmode team ideas?
merc an Ainz and run daimon thoran frontline ainz rowan lyca backline
No ainz available to me yet
help - alna and eironn on merc and dont forget the 3 heroes on the battlefield cause i couldnt fit them on my ss
Just show your box
I would say trying brutus, rosa, fera, rowan, Daimon
If you're not using ainz comp you have to disrupt mehira
Daimon doesnt need to disrupt Mehira
and oden makes her fly like she wishes she could
Been stuck on this for a solid minute
Uhh Saurus-Lucius-Shemira-Lyca-Nemora? Not sure
Iāll try it
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Any changes I should make to my lineup?
Rosa/Belinda can get to the next evo but I don't wanna just screw myself over instantly
Dont ascend then yet....
try switching daimon and wu Kong
This stage isn't blocking me btw I was just asking for overall betterment of the team comp
switch positions
ohhhhh
lmao
That's my bad lmao
all g š
Im stuck
Try to replace Shemira with Lyca, that alone might be enough to get you through it
Anyone has an idea?
Swap Brutus for rowan
anything i can do besides wait for levels or retry spam
Hi guys need help Iām getting one shot every time, what can I change ? And if possible I would like to hear your opinion for the best lineup that I can have
Daimon and niru last long and so damage
But rest get popped and do no damage so I tried Lyca as they always die instantly and itās still loss
Pls help
Could try resetting niru at cart and put the levels into daimon
Daimon will be your carry basically the entire game
And then maybe swap morvus for rowan and put him in the middle
Person in the middle gets one shot immediately
Any ideas? This formation seems to get me closest but doesnt win
@honest storm daimon backline generally works better
Anyone got any suggestions for an arena defence and offence team? Tried looking online but they all want Ainz, Ezizh, twins etc - only been playing since February this year and mostly f2p, so don't have any fancy cele/hypo and missed a lot of the dimensional events due to not having the game š
Hey! Can soomeone help me with lineup for this?
@neat bough something with flora/thoran/skreg. Another with eironn/saurus/lyca and the third some kinda daimon comp
Perhaps [Lyca/PoP/Saurus/Eironn/Twins] then [Thoran/Skreg/Numisu/Flora/Talene] and finally [Brutus/Peggy/Rowan/Daimon/Rosaline]. Those would be my ideas @neat bough
actually fit silas and tasi in there somewhere proly. See what works
I don't know how geared your Eironn is, but have you tried swapping Nara out for him? Getting Ferael down asap will help and Eironn has faction advantage over both Baden and Ferael
Daimon + Eironn carried me pretty well till chapter 33, slowed down a bit now I need 3 teams per level
me?
Aye
I use eironn a bunch in the last few chapters. And he can get lycas gear too but he doesnt do much here. need to get him ascended
Yeah even getting him to mythic will make a big difference, the added CC is great - My only other suggestion would be Raku and getting some lucky RNG with him, but I think he's another that needs his sig item to shine
Maybe replace Brutus with Rowan, his passive will let him take a few hits and he comes with stuns/energy sharing so your Daimon can spam his ult more
none of it worked. This is my best result so far tho
You probably want 3 good teams
- Ainz Arthur albedo Rowan and then a flex
2.eiiron Lyca chicken dude tasi and safiya ( and can put lucretia in if U want)
- Daimon silas Nara prince grez
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U can fit talene into any of these teams and u can swap izold for daimon if U want
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U would want to use daimon comp (3) first fight
-eironn pull (2)
-ainz team (3)
is anyone willing to help me with formations for HoE
Help please? I've been stuck on this a hot minute
I'm not sure about letting the Tasi freely banish Daimon is a good idea
I dunno if I need to post this in questions or here but do I need a continuous damage in this lineup
Iām guessing by the non responsive responses that the answer is āno duhā or āofc notā
I mean would a continuous damage help me with the campaign in general, not just a single stage
You need the pins in #classic-questions afaik@smoky lava
can anyone help me here, not really having any success in any team comps im trying
Maybe swapping shemira for nara and Brutus for saurus
those are both friend units so i cant use both
My bad u need more lvls on ur heros
@worldly apex most useful would be nemora to charm fereael. A team would be, nemora lyca, instead of nara oden. Their ascensions doesn't matter much, can be elite
does nemora charm the enemy opposite her?
Not always, if she's middle, she's charming 1 2 4 by rng @worldly apex
So you have to try a few times to get ferael charmed
so like this (ignoring nems lvl)
Yeah, but lyca not tasi
oh yeah, they look the same lmao
Any ideas?
Day 8 and this team still be helping me a lot. I'll eventually change but this has been working great.
just make sure you're focusing daimon's SI and not lucius'
Just started, on chp 4. Who to focus on and which 5 to use?
He needs furniture too before he can carry hard i think
Hmm alright, idk
What I was told was that Thoran +30 is op but idk. Either way I'll work on Daimon first
Would it be worth it to get Merlin and link Rowan with him to replace?
Or Prince?
Any ideas?
Taint goes on belinda, or gwyn if belinda isnt there. Tried making rosa follow everyone but no difference... peggy blocks the middle athalia when she is in the comp
@pale kettle youre gonna wanna get rowan to si30 before worrying much about thoran. Daimon wants SI20 and 3 furn, SI30 helps too but that can come after Thoran SI30
thats a solid team tho
What team should I do ? (Iām 9-20)
@timid tulip from chapter 15 to 17 lol.. Now I hit a stage wall
Pls help
how the heck do I do this
Should I replace wu with Daimon ? Iāve heard he falls off after 100+
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/462893196595429378/859162392700518450/image0.png would love some help here
be careful with your ascensions to legendary tier since you're wasting fodder, try ccing mirael
But what about level cap
level fodder heroes that you can easily ascend rather than ascended tier heroes where you stall out on the caps by not getting more copies
where as you get a lot of coppies of the fodder heroes, those will get you to 160 crystal if you havent got the copies for 5 mythics before then
yeah i acended the graveborn girl by mistae
the graveborn girl was a good ascension since she's fodder and can be fed to a mythic unit later
ahh
wukong, daimon, shemira, etc you should wait til you have 4 copies to ascend rather than 2 copies
well i used a shemira in the acending thingy which was BAD since i could have gotten shermia to legendary and easily beaten this then
since she used to be my carry alongisde daimon
like if you try to ascend your shemira rn she's stuck at level 140 til you get another elite+ shermia, so the fodder you used ascending her to legendary is wasted
yeah
but should i when i can acend shemira? think it will be good to swap her out with kelthur
Used a merc just to get stuck on a non boss level
ascend to elite+ when you have 2 copies and legendary when you have 4, after legendary go straight to l+ and mythic
i thin i get what you mean
read tree3s guide in the pins of the questions chat
gotchu
Hey weāre stuck around the same place lol
hook mirael with nara, or you'll just die to aoe
Ok
in my case ive tried every single different lineup
post your entire hero box
nara hooks the opposite enemy so replace your mirael
But mireal is my carry lmao
you have a daimon, mirael is a shit carry anyway :P
I swear he doesnāt do shit
he does, gets a big shield and deals damage
I just get fucked in the ass by the spear dude, I tried hooking him but he kills Nara and proceeds to fuck me again
hmm
put nara and rowan on your crystal
And the only way I get close to winning is if mireal gets an ult off but I need at least two ults and she dies too fast
you get fucked when he ults?
Like this?
yeah i was, trying to juggle you both lmao
Yeah I realized that lol I hate this cooldown
What do i do here?
put daimon in
For who?
Armor dude
Ira bursts down people
you can reset wukong since he isnt useful anymore and use brutus or that hypogean with the black helmet maybe, if that doesnt work try Oden over shem in the back
id try hooking mirael and swapping flipping the rest of your teams positions then trying for good oden rng
ha im stuck 18-12 for the whole day i know the feeling
appreciate the help, oh and my dumbass just resat wukong but i only had the hypogean in "elite" so he instantly died. So i had to reset him LOL
ah, i dont have him but i heard he was a super health tank that didnt scale too well, thought he might be useful
he will if he gets to legendary
Brutus has immunity for a bit after he hits 1hp so he's like a true tank, it buys you a couple of seconds atleast
do i swap lucious with rowan?
yea
Brutus over wukong, if your daimon is dying before ulting put him behind brutus.
And put nara and rowan on the crystal so they arent lvl1 ;P
yeye ofc, brutus isnt really an option i would say since he is only "elite" or does the seconds matter? Also daimon gets to ult
im on stage 18 with an elite brutus :P
oh lmaoo
early ascensions dont really matter, they're more a gateway to getting things like furniture and signature items
ahh ok
obviously the stat boosts help but they're not massive make or breaks til late game atleast
i think both can work, oden has a lot of CC options, i used him + daimon + nara + rowan as my core for most of.. well the entire game
he's still useful where i am for the immunity, but im still early game
ahh
i can get rowan brutus and nara to level 129 with the crystal
you think that is better for this level? or is my current better
yeah id do that
yeah, its a good core for early game, sometimes you can win by just spam retrying
how do you get the yellow heros?
read tree3s guide in #classic-questions
Is wu kong good
before 100 ye
What should I do about this?
What happens if you try Brutus Rowan Lyca Daimon Fera?
ideas? There are some comps that use eironn that worked for others but doesnt work for me here cuz of thoran taint
Loses
do you have an eironn? e is fine
could try the brutus/thoran/daimon/eironn/ferael comp. Or some variation of it. Just needs eironn really, works in some fights
some nara/athalia action on the fera or mirael might work too
Oi, I used Daimon, Lyca, Eironn. Rowan, and Ferael. Try that formation maybe?
or also try the same comp nilas recommended but swap the positions around. Center daimon seems poor there cuz thats just asking to get bowled into by estrilda. Bottom would be safest but top can also possibly dodge her charge. Lyca frontline might also work better than Rowan frontline. Just gotta try all those variations and also mirror them and see what works best @mortal mural
nope. doesnt work @tight juniper
I just got it with a different comp tho. I forgot that I had switched gear back to lyca. You giving that formation reminded me to check and with lycas gear eironn could pull before the taint
Anything would help
i really need some help forming a solid comp with lucretia
iām at the end of chapter 30 ^
get 3 furniture for skriath and make him ascended so you can run 5-pull lucretia, for now though with what you have I would use lucretia+lyca+ezizh + 2 random hypos so you just run the cheese variant sorta
okay iāll try it!
Brutus can be flexed in aswell if need be in place of a random hypo
will do
Goodluck š
the major problems i encounter against lucretia are brutus and tasi
Help pls
Lemme come bacl to you when I beat that stage
Ideas?
Not very good and would like some help
if you have nara/athalia grab isabella
Front: Brutus Lucius Back: Shem Safiya Tasi
Ty
Die to quick
Put Brutus in front of Warek. Your goal is to protect Shem since she's your carry
I did he died to quick I may have to lvl up
Hmmm.. best solution for now is Merc a hero. Improve your box for now. If you can Garrison an Ainz, link her to Shem then place him behind Brutus
Iāll have to wait a bit I can olny get 73 thanks
Check the pins on the questions guide for assistance :)
Any help? Saw this solution on afkhelper but itās not working for me
Any help
@radiant jolt build mirael and savaes as dps in beginning
Who do i replace
Probably put daimon backline
Swap it with shemira it's okay if they die
is this lineup good for a level 48? if not what do i need to adjust
How do I beat this without using the lenses heroes (waiting for final lvl)
Nvm, beat it
Rosaline instead of Shemira, middleback, and she needs to follow Daimon
Not sure about Thoran either here. Try to put Tasi in backline and Daimon front, he might be able to tank
like this?
Prince
Thoran
Rosaline
Brutus
Daimon
But rosaline cant ult once in fight
Suggestions?
I'd go.
Prince
Brutus
Rosaline
Daimon
Tasi
You can try to swap Daimon and Brutus if Daimon does not tank.
Dura's Call on both Daimon and Tasi
Beat it with this
Anyone seeing a solution?
how should i arrange them?
Idk tbh it just depends on What others are doing
I modify my comp for each fight unless itās an easy win
hello I m a beginner, whatās the best PVE lineup I can do ? (without merlin pls)
Hello, help.
Can someone help me out
But actually help me instead of redirecting me to the pin guides š«
you got albedo? she saves ainz long enough to help you clear almost any single stage
No albedo no Rowan
also try to keep ainz behind Arthur as his ability helps those who stands directly behind him
I have a few more things I wanna buy in labbryenth coins and the challenger store then hard towards albedo
True I start off that way always I was just experimenting since it wasnāt working
you can try to put barricade in arthur and put ainz vs athalia, works for me sometimes, might not work without albedo tho
HEYYYYYYYYYYYYYY
Would anyone be able to provide suggestions as to my main comp? I try putting prince and Rosaline in sometimes which can help but nothing else seems to be an improvement.
Can someone make me a good team formation?
can someone help me with a lineup
Read the pinned beginner guides in #classic-questions
can anyone help me here? :( im stuck since 4-5 days :(
I'm trying like that. It bursts a lot, it's difficult to keep Mehira/Tasi alive long enough to ult.
Any ideas?
I also have a 20/9 Ferael, would be pretty good against such a team, but if I remove Lyca, everyone dies before ulting
How?
Daimon does 150 mil dmg but they shield all the damage
ok got it just took some retries with daimon tasi mehira and fera
they all survived the first 10 secs which was needed
Tasi instead of farael
Have you tried using farael instead of mahira ?
@astral jay That's what I'm currently trying. Also replaced Lyca with Brutus. It's no big success so far :x
@vivid scaffold try this
Daimon
Rowan
Tasi
Lyca
Oden
My Oden is 000. You'd use him anyways?
Yes he is only for stoping arden rooting your heroes and cc enemies
I'm trying now. Not sure he is hasty enough, everyone kinda dies within 10-15 seconds
Daimon and tasi needs call.... Do they both have ?
They do! š
Lyca = eye, Rowan = tidebearer, Oden = Windbinder
@vivid scaffold try this then
Daimon
Tasi
Rowan
Thoran
Oden( eye)
Thoran with Call too, or Barri?
Do you have first released tank artifact
Barricade, yeap. The one that gives a shield when ally dies?
Yeah use that on thoran
Any help please. 9-35
It seems worse with Thoran š¦
Use brutus with barricade instead of thoran
I'll do that and give a couple of tries.
@astral jay Current line-up:
Really not sure about Oden though.
Any help? Vedan keeps messing me up
I do. 20/9 š
what 5 heroes should i use and what order
What changes do i make, you can use mercenaries if needed
Shemira: Duraās Blade 4 Star
Lyca: Verdant Longbow 3 Star
Rowan: Duraās Call 4 Star
@vivid scaffold did u try with farael?
@solid remnant this
Daimon
Izold
Rosa
Thoran
Tasi
which 5 heroes should i use and what order
@rapid flume
Daimon
Wukong
Mirael
Lucius
Tasi
Help
whos my carry?
Wukong
ok so now leveling wise where should i go from here
@astral jay
Can you help me
@rapid flume you can't lvl up wukong anymore?
so i should dump levels into wukong?
On what?
@astral jay this
Yes
You don't have wukong?
Reset mirael put 120 lvls on wukong put him at rowan place and rowan at mirael place
Ok
Let me try that i guess
1 problem: i only have the elite version
What do i do
Lvl him to 100 then and put other lvls on lucius
Who is Rosa?
Do you mean rosalina? As I dont have
Or rowan?
@radiant jolt if merc
Daimon
Wukong
Rowan
Lucius ( about lvls upto as much as you can)
Lyca
Would it work you think with shemira or nah?
@solid remnant yeah I meant rowan
any ideas what I could merc to beat this stage?
It would
What about only lvl 121 lucius?
@timid tulip I think 309 lucretia can help
So like this?
Yeah
i just got a thoran and a kaz should i replace someone with them
I hate silvina
@astral jay might you happen to have one?
Anyone has some spare time and can help me make decent 3 teams for Legends challenger?š„ŗ Cuz I am big noob š . Thank you for your time š
I havenāt changed my line up since year or maybe even more ago and it doesnāt seem to do the trick now š„²š
Nope. I don't
What heroās should I be using
Have you looked at the pinned guides in #classic-questions ?
No, I joined this server and stayed for a bit and proceeded to go inactive to stay sane
In other words I didn't know there was a guide
I'd recommend checling it out; it should really help you
Mkay
Does anyone have suggestions for who to swap shemira with? Iām looking to use my swap scroll
We would need to see your box
I would recommend daimon
I was wondering if anyone would be able to give me a recommendation on a line up? I am currently in chapter 6..
@pale kettle Read the pins
@undone sleet Mirael should act as a DPS for you at that stage, Wu can possibly also help but Tasi as well. I would try to focus on re-reading the pins and making sure to level fodder heroes to eventually get your other heroes up.
I see, thank you. However, I am not sure I quite understand the fodder thing... I understand that I should level them to 160, to use the resonate crystal to boost up other heroes, but am I suppose to actually clear chapters with these fodders champions too?
Yeah you can clear levels with fodder heroes. Mirael is a fodder hero for example but a good early game DPS.
Wu Kong, however, is an ascended tier unit but can also be used as an early game carry until around chapter 6-7.
Someone solve this for me pls. I dont have the energy after 407 retries on 29-54
also I gotta save the merc for 29-60.
I would maybe try Lyca, Rowan, Fera, Tasi, Daimon? You could switch out Rowan to the back if someone else needs the potion.
@devout path So I should make a team consisting of 5 fodders, rather than any of the heroes I am using right now? Shouldnt my epic heroes be better than rare ones?
Like.. Isnt a Elite+ Lucian better than a Elite Hagon? At same level?
completely melts that team @devout path
I would focus on building Daimon as one of your ābetterā heroes. (The guy wrapped up in bandages). For now you should be able to still use the fodder heroes to clear or even a mix of fodder and ascended tier units to help out. Itās a matter of waiting until you get certain copies.
You could always try testing out damage. I would maybe use Lucius if you find that his ult/bubble helps with your teamās overall survivability.
Im just thinking Lucius has 4 skills, where Hagon only has 3, and his skills doesnt seem like they are any good at all?
part of the reason you wanna use fodder heroes is that you can clear stages with them while seeing what ascended tiers you get most copies of before you start ascending them. Cuz it never hurts to take a fodder hero to L+ since you need that anyways to take ascended tiers to Mythic and Mythic+
whereas if you ascend ascended tiers immediately you might find yourself sitting on a bunch of heroes you cant ascend further due to bad luck from pulls. and a bunch of other heroes with 8 copies waiting to be ascended but who you dont have fodder for
also legendary tier heroes are just good. Mirael and Saveas are fantastic, arden is fantastic. Hogan/Golus etc are just meaty boys, they dont need to do more than that. Sylvia can be useful in some cases. etc
Skills only play one part in the whole. Sometimes gear and overall team synergy might make some heroes not as good as others in certain situations.
also pretty sure lucius is less tanky than golus or hogan isnt he? His actives can make up the difference but that doesnt help if he dies too quick
not sure tho as I never used him xD
I see.. I'll start working on these fodders then, and eventually reset my current heroes to get the exp and items back.
I always get stuck on full grave born energy steal stages
can you guys give me some adivce for upcoming HoE team comps? https://imgur.com/a/TyDqeYx
Need some help for a good lineup
Just got back from playing after year+ on stage 24
You should make it to 28 with that now
@worthy steeple using who tho? it was set to lucius, shem, nem, tas, lyc
I would do Brutus, Grezhul, Numisu, Eironn, Ferael,
ty
Oh wait, i didnt see that tasi
replace Grezh with Tasi and do Fera frontline
Any idea?
Help
Hey guys I'm currently stuck in 12-38 what should I be focusing on leveling?
Focus Daimon
My friend keeps having trouble in the arcane labrynth. I look at their comp, and it seems like it should be an easy win, but they get insta wiped every time. any suggestions?
can anyone help me with this
any way I could win this?
well donāt take my advice as a low level but i say put rowan in middle
Should i replace tasi with someone in my lineup?
Don't put daimon in front of grez coz he'll steal stats, then replace silas with nara and hook ferael. Put rowan in middle back
what do I merc to easily beat this stage
What do i need to improve about this lineup iāve been on this dumb stage for hours
Use Eironn's pull tactically. Put him in the middle to pull the Isabella to kill her first
like this
Belinda isn't a good carry and your backlane will get shredded by hypo mage and silvina. Get shemira to 120 then rest is 100. Put shemira and brutus front, rowan middle back, then make rosaline follow shemira and maybe arden/tasi back. Read pinned guides at #classic-questions
For me belinda is good carry so iām definitely gonna keep her i canāt get my shemira back because she helped me get my izold to to legendary others are easy
So rosaline rowan belinda arden tasi
and brutus
alright it seems to work iām just gonna grind for shemira though.
But don't invest on Belinda anymore, shemira will probably be food later. Avoid making L heroes
Could someone help me with 3 good pvp teams for the heroes of esperia event?
@outer quiver Ainz comp: Ainz albedo Ezio Peggy Talene. Joker comp: Joker Queen Prince Muppa Tasi/Raku. Daimon comp: Daimon Sofiya Rosaline Satrana Numisu. I didn't put the heroes in order, but make sure Muppa is back middle, and you can figure out which heroes should Frontline. Your gweneth and Lyca are also both quite good and could fit in to either the second or third comp fairly well. Nara could work well with Sofiya as well
Daimon brutus oden rowan arden
Swap brutus daimon. Swap rowan silas
Is my formation good
what would be better, an ascended twins with 303, or a 309 grez?
Starting on a new sever, what should my formation be?
Replace thoran w tasi. Shud only be leveling 5 heroes
wuknog
What shud my formation be
Does this look good for HoE?
How would you beat this
I havent done that stage yet
I don't like to brag, but I'm a couple ahead of you OwU
What RC?
What is rc
?
Oh realm channel 671
Can someone help me with my formation?
box
Not sure whoās the best for what I have plenty of support but idk about tanks
Mainly do dailies and get more heros, until then focus on daimon to carry. Keep him in back row, keep him alivw
Heās limited time hero not perm
Iāll use him temporarily tho
Check the pins for early game tips and guide
Ok
Ok love u. Good luck!
these look good ? hero wise, i would probably move pop to the back and place albedo in the front instead
Okay; I do PoP front so albedo isnt bursted
depending on what you are facing he could die an instant, if it serves the purpose of getting the time you need for ainz, case by case
I would rather prince die over albedo
is your bedo getting crushed ?
In campaign, she does in frontline most the time
It qouldnt surprise me if some whale can one-shot albedo
well it will get easier as the days go by, since the better players and with high investment will move up the ranks, does look good imo 
Thank chu. I'll leave ot as is then
Any suggestions including using mercenary to clear the fight? Trying to rush 29 clear if I somehow can for the misty valley reward
What should i go for?
Anyone got some advice for a noob?? Iām still not too sure what my best lineup is for campaign.
Stuck on a boss got the first round done no issues and 2 and 3 In struggling bad here is what I am using
3 best pvp teams for the event / challenger?
@silent epoch I beat the stage in on chapter 23-9 now ty
what formations should i use for heroes of esperia?
can someone help me iāve been stuck on this page for a while any ideas to help with my lineup
Anyone wanna help me make a better team than the one I've already got? I barely understand this game lmao
Stuck on chapter 14 stage 14-31, please help , I can reset heroes
Any tips for me here? Stuck on this stage, and I get smacked so hard..
stuck in the 2nd stage, 1stage has lyca ainz prince talene albedo (i pass it with ease just struggle with 2nd)
um why donāt you make some heroes E+? itās been awhile since i been on stage 7 so i donāt rlly remember if u unlocked crystal yet, but if u have put thoran and izold on there! if no crystal try friending people with high lvl heroes to mercenary to help you push (again itās been awhile so im not sure what lvl u can use mercenaries lmao)
@sharp rapids try swapping Rowan and Rosa maybe rowan will stun syl
That lineup is dry my g, it wont work 
frrrr i aināt got a strong 2nd team yet itās jsut kindaā¦random
Use daimon
heās fused with ainz if that matters
didnāt unlock that key either ti be able to use both
It shouldnāt ? If it does infuse him and fuse ainz to like the horse lady
Unfuse *
iāll give it a try
Fuse ainz with kaz lol
Or even to kaz taking daimon out of ur comp is a huge nerf
I presume u fused ainz with daimon because he was ur first A / highest not because somebody told you too
took a couple tries but that worked
kaz is fused with prince, and ye cos of the 3 stars and i was just running thru stages but got to 31 and realized theres 2 teams u gotta beat now and totally forgot LOL
Fuse ainz to Belinda maybe even a better choice
belinda over horse lady?
Yeah
yea prob actually..
Belinda is basically fodder in campaign where u r up too
Yeah horse lady is still useful
oh i completely forgot albedo is linked to belinda :-(
Sorry Rosaline u donāt make the cut
Is there a good team I could make to counter the Ainz one in HoE ?
Holy crap the diamonds I mean I say that but I donāt really add up what I spent on star gazing
Just some savings, using them only for the 5 desired heroes pull-up
ohhhhh smart makes sense. share the gold doe pls š© and some exp balls too
Ahah š
Any idea on this one? š¤
And if it doesnt work Tasi or Lyca for Nara
Stuck on 13-36 any help would be much appreciated
Take Lucius out of crystal and get Tasi in. You could try Arden for Ainz
Arthur, Talene, Ainz, Ferael, Albedo
Tidus, Lyca, Safiya, Eironn, Skriath
Saurus, Tasi, Twins, Rowan, Ezizh
Thanks
Worked?
Nope
Mind sharing a replay?
@vapid parrot
thanks
gl on climbing ranks 
What four teams should I use for chapter 35 ? I managed to go this far with teams focused on Ainz, eironn, daimon and the last team was pretty random, but now Iām stuck
Thanks Tim, made it through with Tasi!
Floor 128
i got a thoran and a kaz should i replace someone with them?
push pippa +20 for easier cheese replays 35-60 r3 and 56 iirc have the same setup little investment but easy to work with too pair with lorsan estrilda/ezizh nara/kelthur flora talene just start working on alna imo before that raku for daimon comp with elite mehira its also a cheap team
also my alt has similar stuff lmk if u want replays around the same lvl 369 just ran skreg 9/9 invade with zold instead of ainzbedo
Could someone please help me make a team for HoE
so i got thoran and kaz should i replace someone with them?
Thanks @storm epoch will try what you said !
Trying to get a thoran cheese for the last on this multi
I have Nara kelthur lorsan Raine flora available, any suggestions? I havnt used a thoran cheese yet
I got stuck any reccomendation to change or just eait and level them?
Hey guys, anyone here have the guide for this God Trials?
Best 3 teams for HoE?
I just garrisoned Ainz and am hoping to build the best team I can around him to carry me further into the campaign - I'm on 12-20 and am probably just stuck due to levels, but maybe there's a strong unit combo I'm missing? current team is Ainz (linked to Gwyneth), Rowan, Thoran, Talene, and a rotating fifth. I know Ainz' signature item makes his first nuke instant so he's high priority to get to mythic, but I don't know who's the best mythic link to awaken for him
@surreal brook Something like this?
Can anyone help me with esperia/arena lineup? Please dm me as I have to many screenshot to upload here!
Thank you
Any tips
Brutus needs to be on the resonating crystal still
Vedan...
nara
Still lost..
try using silvina then
Any thoughts for this?
i level them up just this will be good? or change the team
Put Brutus on your crystal, he is a really nice Frontline for pushing campaign. I made an alt and got to chapter 22 with level 160 heros
lol i have a lot to learn i bet i can't even get chapter 16 with 160 heroes š
Use a daimon and you're good pretty much, I've been using Brutus Rowan front, daimon Oden PoP
I have Daimon only at E+ and i can get 1 copy from the chest
He needs his item at +20
Than i have to rush chapter 16 and stargaze Daimon
thoran cheese for 4th
Really need help with this, I can't figure out the proper lineup to beat this
Asking for help again with esperia lineups, please dm for all the screenshots
Izold, Mauler dude bull thing (forgot his name), Elronn or whtvr his name is (the wilder dude with the elf ears and horns) and lyca but put elronn in the middle, of your position
thatās what worked for me at least
Anoki is the bull
Thanks, I exited out of the trial and can't figure out how to get back
go to heros, portraits, and find Merlins and then thereāll be the hero trial on his portrait @void zealot
Thanks
ur welcome!!
Which one is lyca?
the deer girl!
Alrighty
What's a good lineup for this one? If any of the lvl ones are good just let me know and I'll lvl them up
even though heās just elite for you rn, Rowan is a mega carry for much much later on and is still very good for every stage/world
Brutus is a B tier hero overall, he used to be great but is okay overall now. I wouldnāt say reset him currently because he can be used with Antandra as a combo
also, even though it doesnāt say she is, you can use antandra as a tank, sheās also a B tier hero overall
mhm! i used them a TON in the early stages where you are, iām currently on world 30 
7-28 and 94 in the king's tower
iām 349 on the kings tower currently
Wow
iāve had this game since november and i am constantly on it sooo 
My biggest issue is just lvling up my heros, my main team is almost 30k under the current story team
leveling up will be hard for a very long time untill you reach level 200 on the resonating crystal
83k power to 112k sweats
only level up five heros at a time, and dont level up fodder, if you absolutely need them in those early stages (which you will for a little) then put them on the resonating crystal do not level them up mainly unless those are the only good heros you have currently
What I've been doing
okay cool becayse when i was new i made that mistake for awhile
Put daimon in front in switch with kren, take out shemira and put Theowen in, and that maybe will be better?
shemira is awful now and is no longer a carry, i have her at 4 stars will all T2 mythic gear at world 30 and shes bootycheeks
Is this still my best lineup atm for the story? I'm guessing it's just a lvl issue
put the flaming girl in the middle
Okay
she got nerfed?
Still got my butt kicked facedesk
she didnāt necessarily get nerfed she just got replaced with a better hero that just came out a bit ago
cant remember who came out '
so now sheās worth dogshit in PVE, PVP, and is only good for Twisted realm and guild bosses now 
what a shame
itās the raccoon dude i think that replaced her
raku?