lineup-help

[fleet thistle]

depths of time?

[next sable]

barricade won't add anything to that battle. The issue is that you're missing key investment

[fleet thistle]

rip

[next sable]

At this point, you either merc daimon, or a 30 albedo and try to ainzbedo the stage

or retry lots

[fleet thistle]

damn i almost made it

that athalia is the thing

[next sable]

I mean, you can play around with what you have. If something gets close, just spam retries lol

[woven mason]

you can always use makros over night

and if you re gonna use merc I would suggest using arthur merc

or tasi

and I would suggest saving merc for 54 stage. That was the hardest for me

[humble apex]

@fleet thistle just curious, did the nara end up working on 29-50 or did you use ainz/daimon?

[patent hemlock]

Halp :’(

I learned tasi gets one shot no matter what if that helps 🥲

[fleet thistle]

it worked

[woven mason]

tasi needs goods boots and weapon for dodge... Are you gonna use merc on this stage or you want without them?

[patent hemlock]

I’m trying to go without them but if need be I’ll use them I don’t mind, yeah I’m slowly still building tasi, have everything of hers t1 except boots, they don’t even have wilder faction bonus sadly

[woven mason]

wepons and boots are no1 priority

[patent hemlock]

Yeah I know, I still have a stone for her boots, waiting for them to pop up in shop

[woven mason]

don t buy faction gear yet unless they are dims. You ll get discount in later stages. Atm I would tell you to pull safya and fareal with eirron but you don t have him. You can still pull safya with nara and that would help. probably put daymon and rowan in front

[woven mason]

beside that you can put tasi and fareal as supports in backline or put brutus in front line and daymon behind rowan

[patent hemlock]

I actually managed to use an E eironn to get passed 26-60, so I can probably use him here. What would the comp be?

[woven mason]

you can t bcs you would need eirron in front and E eirron can t survive that. you try to put him in mid backline, rowan top frontline and daymon top backline but I don t know how effective that will be

[humble apex]

Have you tried
daimon
rowan
feral
brutus
lyca

also take off ferael's weapon

[patent hemlock]

I did dw

[patent hemlock]

I’ll try now!

Is the bug no weapon at all? Or just not a mythic weapon?

[humble apex]

not sure, I just do no weapon

It makes it so that he does a normal auto before fear instead of accursed arrow -> fear. This lets his fear interrupt enemy ferael fear

[patent hemlock]

I’ve heard of that, pretty weird

[woven mason]

M weapon gives some hidden haste so if you remove it fareal will do normal attack instead accursed arrrow which has faster animation

[patent hemlock]

Ah, gotcha

Think ima have to resort to a merc

Nvm, thanks! @woven mason @humble apex

[humble apex]

gg

[lone wren]

try brutus shemira ferael nara rowan

seeing your hero box will hell

[patent hemlock]

I’m gonna have to use a merc here, who should I go about requesting if not the 3 I currently have?

[summer cedar]

try checking the site for a successful clear

[patent hemlock]

Will do 👍🏼

[woven mason]

eirron would go perfectly here with lyca and tasi. and daymon

[pale kettle]

Can we please stop getting stuck at the same stages 🤡

[patent hemlock]

It’s inevitable 😭

[green dock]

who should I use for campaign / focus on? my team right now is safiya, shemira, lucretia, daimon and talene

[pale kettle]

anyways if you find a good comp ping me 😭

[patent hemlock]

I’ll use my eironn merc then, see if it works.

[patent hemlock]

Will do lmao

[copper jacinth]

help, tried athalia to interrupt isabella but still not enough to stop her ult

[maiden marsh]

@patent hemlock @pale kettle

[woven mason]

too many carries, you need supports like tasi, rowan, lyca

[patent hemlock]

Here goes nuttin

[green dock]

really? it doesn't feel like any of them do enough dmg plus they all for to fast. what kind of team would u recommend out of my current units?

[woven mason]

supports aren t supposed to do damage. they keep your carry alive

[green dock]

no I meant my current team lol

[woven mason]

get L+ mirael as carry and arden, rowan, brutus and talene as supports

[green dock]

mirael L+ is better then other units I have for a carry?

[woven mason]

yes, until 160 level

then you can use shemira or daymon as carry

[woven mason]

if you can get 2 E+ copies of daymon then push daymon to M and use him as carry

[pale kettle]

👁👄👁 @maiden marsh @patent hemlock

[patent hemlock]

WAIT

[pale kettle]

THANKS PAPA TRU7H

[sharp gazelle]

is eironn any good

[pale kettle]

BYE CLOWN I’M SPEEDING OUTTA HERE

[pale kettle]

VERY

[woven mason]

he s great after 240 level

[patent hemlock]

NO

[maiden marsh]

#classic-questions

[astral pike]

Hey guys! I’m stuck on 32-56 if anyone can help please!

And no I don’t want to exit the battle if I can help it

[lone wren]

try saurus Brutus ainz albedo naka

who does the rosa follow and who does antsndra target

see if brutus going low enough makes her re targer to him

[astral pike]

Ant targets ainz

Yeah she targets brutus but he doesn’t live long enough for ainz to ult

[lone wren]

hmm
u can try eziz in p3 or p5
u dont need anything but energy from him
switch him for naka

[astral pike]

Hmm true I’ll try 🙂

Finally got him to ult but he’s not strong enough to wipe them out 😦

I’ll exit the battle and raise alb’s si to 20 and gear her up maybe?

[lone wren]

did he crit hard enough and is your albedo 30?

[astral pike]

No alb is long term hired and only si 10

[lone wren]

ezio in would be good in for the faction buff and execute
naka can work for that too
try naka in insteas of saurus

[astral pike]

If I garrisoned and the rental ends - do I lose my resources

[lone wren]

nope

[astral pike]

Okay well that naka in p1 worked so well

Got 2 ainz ults off but didn’t finish 😦

[patent hemlock]

@maiden marsh @pale kettle thanks dad

[pale kettle]

Gz!!

[patent hemlock]

Ima get off now lol I’m stuck again

[pale kettle]

Ye same. GN @patent hemlock

[astral pike]

@lone wren naka and alb are si20 I’ll retry shortly and let you know 🙂

[spiral quail]

I feel i can beat this i just need a way to get izold to ult

[maiden marsh]

saurus out for grezul, experiment with tasi over eironn

[lone wren]

u deff can not burst any of those fast
try smth like izold eirron tasi Rowan saurus
see where estrilda runs and if tssi isnt banishing mirael do ferael instead

[crisp oar]

Pushed through chap 32 with Eirron comp and Ainbedo, and a stalling team for the 3rd battle. Now that I’m on 33, what teams can I use for the other 2 battles? I’m planning on using thoran cheese as one of the other teams once I get his SI30 but am stuck with what other teams I can make.

[marsh nymph]

help, I was pushing so good on this acc then this stage appeared

[woven mason]

it would be nice if you had brutus to tank some damage

[pale kettle]

Just started on a f2p here what would be the optimal team out of these?

[summer cedar]

u don't yet have skri3f which makes this awkward, but daimon fera, ainzbedo, eironn, and u can run something scuffed for the other teams.

[woven mason]

well until 160 you can just use heroes like saveas, mirael arden until you wait for daymon copies

[pale kettle]

Yeah but pushing is currently a pain where it shouldn't be 😓

[woven mason]

which stage? btw I don t think that estrilda and gwyn are good at begining but honestly I pushed those chapters while luc was free so I used her whole time

[pale kettle]

Area 6

[woven mason]

rowan, lucius and brutus are kings of early game

[crisp oar]

Working on 3f for skriath, let's say if I do get it, what team would he be in?

[pale kettle]

They were just copies I got early on and haven't changed my team yet

[woven mason]

well I m not surprised. last few stages of 6 area stopped me as well in first or first 2 days of playing. But I don t remember well anymore

[summer cedar]

eironn comp becomes 5pull, in which case u can put more resources into other comps like daimon fera
as is, eironn and daimon share a few key supports.

[crisp oar]

What would a daimon fera comp look like?

[summer cedar]

brutus tasi rowan lyca mehira are all solid teammates. it's p flexible just want stall and/or cc.

[crisp oar]

Perfect, tysm

[woven mason]

tasi, nara, arden and estrilda could be good supports for wukong, I don t know who else would be good. Ofc rowan and brutus when you get them

[fierce viper]

5 pull is having a hard time with this one. I usually run Daimon/Thoran, but Daimon gets crushed here and I have no idea how I'd cheese it. Any ideas?

[marsh nymph]

maybe get your ferael to +20 or merc a thicker one.

[fierce viper]

Thank you, I'll see if I can get one

[pale kettle]

Who is the best 80+ tank?

[fierce viper]

I'm a big fan of thoran

[astral pike]

Ayoooo 32-60 last fight I need some help without backing out of the stage

Thanks in advance 🙂

Nvm I did it haha

[drowsy inlet]

Anything better I could run? Been running top row replacing baden with satrana to test

Currently stuck on 7-4, pretty sure it's just that the enies are lv 90+ and I'm mod 70s rn but is that the best lineup I could have in general?

[golden blaze]

Current lineup

[wild breach]

Anyone help me with a lineup out of these?

[valid pier]

Are there any Izold / Skreg invasion hybrid comps? Who would you put in with them? I don't have silas unfortunately.

[humble apex]

If there are I haven't heard of any

@open mural
Mirael
lucius
rowan
hogan
arden

[open mural]

ko ty

[silent epoch]

Hi. Am I just under leveled? I can't get past this stage :(

[exotic dew]

In place of who should I use Diwan

Rowan

[patent hemlock]

Replace nemora for rowan

[exotic dew]

Ok

[wind hamlet]

So I saved up my joyous scrolls and summoned today and got Taylene and Mezoth. Currently in campaign 6-4 and using :

Arden
Wu Kong

Tasi.
Lucious

Rosaline

Should I make any changes with the units I have in the box ?

[frosty nova]

Been stuck for months and have tried everything I can think of

[humble apex]

If you've actually been stuck on it for that long why don't you use a merc?

[frosty nova]

Like what

Those issables one shot as soon as they get ult

Even one shot sometimes with their autos like its so broken

[humble apex]

Pretty much anything, I just used my usual 9f grez merc on that stage

[frosty nova]

I have only 9f daimon

Everything else is 3; what comp did you use

[humble apex]

a mercenary, the thing you borrow from friends/guild exemplars

[frosty nova]

Yeah but what was your team comp

[humble apex]

Ferael
Tasi
rowan
grez
daimon

lv 257

[frosty nova]

Wtf lv257

[humble apex]

It's not anywhere near optimal, I was just lazy and wanted to use a merc

[frosty nova]

How in the world did you pass this lol

[maiden marsh]

That's a 99 level deficit lol. All things considered nowhere near the lowest this has been cleared at.

[humble apex]

^

[frosty nova]

Hmm

Ill try your comp brb

[humble apex]

kinda doubt it would work with 0f grez and +20 rowan but at your level it might

[frosty nova]

Nah grezhul and tasi get one shot

[humble apex]

Tasi relies on dodging to survive, so T1 gear at least if not T2 and retrying for better rng

also would recommend chalice on grez

[humble apex]

A better comp would probably be
Tasi
Rowan
Ferael
Brutus
Daimon

[frosty nova]

Omg lol

[humble apex]

as I said, you can just use any merc

[frosty nova]

Usually he only gets one ult off but he got off 2

Well the battle was usually over as soon as he uses his first ult and it wouldn't kill anyone

[humble apex]

well congrats anyways

[frosty nova]

Thanks

[woven mason]

I Don t see why you Don t use Brutus and Alma as tanks. They would tank Isabella easily XD

[humble apex]

I use brutus 95% of the time with Daimon, I just swapped him out for a grez merc here because I didn't feel like retrying more than I already had

[woven mason]

Sry, I wanted to reply to everlastingWar when I saw he was using Tasi in frontline vs brutus

[woven mason]

I did that stage on same level with safya instead gorvo and I did it from second try

[twin socket]

Im stuck

[fierce viper]

@woven mason Do you remember what artifacts you used?

[humble apex]

nara
lucius
rowan
brutus
ainz/daimon
(try both)

[woven mason]

Call on eirron and rowan, grace on skriath, eye on lyca and safya can do eye or call

[jade shore]

damn u lucky

u could use talene instead of rosa

[exotic dew]

Can my team get better

Pls help

[frail lodge]

anyone have tips for 29-8 or recommend artifact or maybe should merc? i follow some of my server's player.. but he can finish this

[past urchin]

Merc an OP Thoran and cheese it.
That stage is a nightmare.

[frail lodge]

oh okay.. what kind thoran 309 ?
and what is the laneup i still never try cheese til now
is 5 pull works?

[whole flare]

help needed ☹️ need to finish ch29 before current misty valley ends 😩

[past urchin]

@frail lodge

[frail lodge]

oh okay thx will try it

[humble apex]

Daimon
rowan
ferael
brutus
lyca

may need to swap tasi for ferael or lyca but that should work

[past urchin]

You can obv beat it without cheese.
But I simply gave up.
Its pure chaos.
Tasi blink randomly changing density on the field...making Gorvo jump random places every time.
Add Nemora/Ulmus sustain and Kaz perma dodge mode.
No thanks.

[humble apex]

Yeah... I don’t know how many retries this took me but it was well into the hundreds

[frail lodge]

yea its really cancer.. tasi always banish eiron and daimon too
i already macro around 30 minutes i think after try manual 30 minutes

yea i guess better merc later

oh well.. thats some experience.. i dont have saurus at A sadly

[whole flare]

my graveborn are underequipped sadly 😦

[humble apex]

I only used him because my eironn is only M +20

[humble apex]

tasi for ferael then. same positioning

[past urchin]

There is a few more Nemora/Tasi/Ulmus stages in 29 btw.
This one is the worst though.
Others dont have Gorvo.
@frail lodge

[humble apex]

^ 29-24 was painful but not quite as bad

This made me very sad

[frail lodge]

oh well so ch 29 is nightmare for daimon? o.O
oh i see yea gorvo is cancer jumping down to my backlane

well seirus is not really cancer like gorvo i guess but will save your SS for future reference haha

[whole flare]

ch29 is a nightmare. period. so many stages with tasi.

[past urchin]

30 has 2x more if that matters

[whole flare]

well my only goal now is to get rid of ch29 for that free hero from misty valley D: i'm running out of options. i even levelled my crystal 8 levels today

[past urchin]

Which stage are you on?

[frail lodge]

well he's here.. probably too focused on me haha

and yeah i am thinking getting thoran/raku to si+30 i guess

[whole flare]

woooh got through 29-59 using chicken-eironn-safiya. my next challenge is 29-60

[past urchin]

You can cheese with +0 until like mid 32.
Also there is shit loads of Ezizh from 30 onwards.
And Ezizh is physically uncheesable.
Id look what other options you have and then decide @frail lodge

[whole flare]

man this kungfu chicken is one-shotting my eironn...

[dreamy drum]

Hey im struggling here. i cant use ardent because of that dimentional hero

[past urchin]

Put Ainz in the back @dreamy drum
Ik hes overleveled, but keep him away from Isabella.
Her energy drain is not fun since she got reworked.

[frail lodge]

with thoran? well i have thoran A.. oh i see i already share it ane question

[past urchin]

Yeah I cheesed 1/4 of 30 with +0.

[frail lodge]

oh i see.. so i can cheese too i guess? i have him at +20

[whole flare]

yeeeees i made it through ch29. thanks guys haha

[drowsy gazelle]

Well if you have grezhul, it will be pretty easy. But not everyone build grezhul like me this early

[frail lodge]

well i just need some food for him and 2 more copy.. i already L+ him haha
yea i am regret making izold first instead of grez

[exotic dew]

Need help

Pls help

[smoky anvil]

How?....

[fleet thistle]

im getting really close with this lineup, any tips?

[crystal apex]

Working on my Challengers teams. Any suggestions?

[meager aspen]

What is a good compo with daimon. Currently owning this roster ( swapped ulmus to daimon)

[vivid scaffold]

I think your nickname does not fit your teams, here ;p

[cold cosmos]

No daimons XD

[weak briar]

Stuck on 22-60, Who can counter atalia? She just oneshoted everyone

[pale kettle]

Try taking out Nara for Lyca

[twin socket]

Thank u i actually beat the level

[warped moat]

I've been stumped for like an hour

[exotic dew]

Pls help

[warped moat]

Swap stitchy and grezhul @exotic dew

[exotic dew]

I did that It did not work

[mortal sable]

what do i do vs this vedan? he literally 1v5s my whole team, I’m getting mad

[exotic dew]

Pls help

[elfin frost]

who saveas is targeting?

[exotic dew]

I think grezhul

[elfin frost]

grezhul is in the backline? how come

[exotic dew]

I changed the lineup

[low ravine]

That's 3 carries, 1 backrow tank, and 1 support. That's not going to work. Focus on one carry (Daimon), 1 tank (Thoran/Brutus) and 3 supports (Rowan/Silas/Nemora). I highly recommend reading the guides pinned in #classic-questions

[elfin frost]

anyway, make it so it targets thoran so he can taint someone down, and put grezhul in the front, with daimon behind him well protected until he can ult

[elfin frost]

swap thoran and grez

if that doesn't work, replace thoran with brutus and force brutus to tank saveas, remove shemira and put either rosa or silas

[mortal sable]

anyone got any advice for me?

nevermind, try 63 did it

[exotic dew]

So tell me a a good lineup over all

[smoky anvil]

bump

[elfin frost]

as i said, using what you have, as the other guy said, u don't need 2 carries, just use brutus and grezhul in the front line making sure brutus tank saveas, let rowan and another support (probably silas) to help daimon and you should be good to go

[exotic dew]

Can my lineup get better

[smoky anvil]

get mirael to L+ and level her

[pale kettle]

Want to throw my phone at a wall

[meager aspen]

What should i change or what line up to use

[agile roost]

Help

[sly talon]

Somebody help, I'm stuck on this stage.

[crystal apex]

Switch Rosa with Ferael. A good fear RNG should pass it for ya.

[elfin frost]

you kinda needs arthur

[pale kettle]

Like how bad?

[crystal apex]

Also... Joker is best paired with Gwyn 3/3. She activates his CC ability with her very first arrow.

[elfin frost]

for that stage? really bad. neither your front liners can deal with saveas. You may try brutus tho

also, i'm really confused on why the Theowyn rush. A ferael would really help way more

[solemn lagoon]

Could someone help me with load outs? I am stuck.

[pale kettle]

I was dumb at that time

[meager aspen]

Any help?

[sly talon]

I've tried that a lot of times, it doesn't work because Silvina will go attack Rowan, and when Rowan dies, my whole team dies.

@crystal apex Also, should I switch out Ainz? He isn't doing any damage, he does 0 damage.

[pale kettle]

I'm stuck and tried a million diferent team positions :C

[fossil mantle]

How do i bewt this hell stage.. 29-60

[sly talon]

Try Saurus instead of Rowan, and switch Tasi and Nara positions.

[pale kettle]

Helped a bit, but still doesnt make the cut

[dusky sentinel]

I've got no clue how to beat this. Eiron Rowan are +30, lyca +20, Tasi and fera are +20 3F, Daimon is +9 3F.
I've tried talene and rowan in front of athalia. Tried Rowan lyca ferael eiron tasi. Moved things along, and nowhere near to beating the stage, the burst is too high.

[scenic halo]

Borrow Ainz, put him in Eironn's place, switch the spots of Talene & Rowan, replace Tasi with Twins & Ferael with Ezizh.

[humble apex]

Do you have a ferael?
ainz/rowan
arthur
rowan/ainz
albedo
ferael
are the 2 most common ainz clears for 29-60

[scenic halo]

Or borrow Belinda if you can't get Ainz.

[humble apex]

Lyca
brutus
eironn
rowan
ferael
and take off ferael's weapon

I would also rush Daimon's +20 over any other SIs you're working on

[dusky sentinel]

@scenic halo already used my mercs for the week so I can't get ainz. The one from garrison is 0 SI 0 furn so too slow.
I imagine the rest of the suggestions are only if I could get my hands on ainz.
@humble apex I'm trying that setup as we speak (changing brutus for E Alna, since her invuln is 1 second longer). So far no luck, but the stage is hard so I'll keep retrying for a bit more
Yeah I'm waiting on T1 emblems to get Daimon to +10, I have enough T2 saved up to get him to +18 or 19 after that. I got all his copies quite late so the investment into him was delayed as well

On the take out fera's weapon part, if he doesn't die instantly (dies fast but gets to use his fear) I should keep the weapon, right?

[humble apex]

No, the reason you take off his weapon is so that he uses a normal auto instead of accursed arrow before fear (faster animation). This lets him interrupt enemy ferael's fear with his fear

You can also try replacing lyca with tasi

[dusky sentinel]

Oh I see, I didn't think about that! In that case, his furniture would be useless then? (I have him at 3/9 and was working towards his 9/9)

[humble apex]

No, ferael's 3/9 and 9/9 are both very good. You only take off his weapon in niche scenarios

And he still gets value out of them without his weapon

[dusky sentinel]

stats only, correct?

[humble apex]

mythic agility weapons (not sure about other types) have a hidden haste stat, putting it on or taking it off has no effect on furniture

[patent hemlock]

Help 😦 I tried a couple off the website but none are really working

Mainly cause what they have I either don’t have or is probably just E or E+

[humble apex]

After you get 9f on ferael though, you don't need to take off his weapon since his normal auto is just accursed arrow

[dusky sentinel]

Not sure we understand each other. I meant that, when he's weaponless I imagine his 3 and 9F special bonuses have no effect because he doesn't have a bow to shoot? Or doesn't matter.
This taking off the weapon is a bit confusing, I had heard it before your comment but didn't understand it fully

[humble apex]

the weapon just provides stats, it's not like you're actually taking away his bow

[dusky sentinel]

Then why does removing his weapon cause him to fear before the accursed arrow? It's because less haste --> different 1st skill in the rotation?

[patent hemlock]

Nvm I got it 🥴

[humble apex]

I don't know the exact reasoning behind it, but you can test if for yourself and see. The accursed arrow animation has a circle that closes in on his bow

[patent hemlock]

Ok NOW I need help lol, that Eironn is ripping me a new one

[patent hemlock]

^hero box

[dusky sentinel]

I made it!!! A big THANK YOU. I'm 100% sure if it weren't for your advice I would have let the stage go and attempt it at weekly reset. I still haven't figured out the timings of the bow but now that I know and am able to recognise the animation I'll look again when I get stuck.

[meager aspen]

Any help

[humble apex]

Nice!

[humble apex]

Can you post the rest of your box?

[meager aspen]

@humble apex

[smoky anvil]

Any suggestions?

[humble apex]

If you have a copy of Nara/space on your crystal I would run
Nara
Lucius
Daimon
Rowan
Tasi

[left eagle]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/836586866429395044/836657115123679292/image0.png Is my lineup good?

[pale kettle]

Help :C

[weak grove]

Who should I put on my line up to clear story?

[pale kettle]

Help please

[humble apex]

Not sure if it would work, but you can try
Lyca
Brutus
Rowan
Hogan/thoran (whoever lives longer)
Daimon

[pale kettle]

@humble apex can you help me pls W this stage

[humble apex]

Yeah I’m looking at it now, grezhul sucks for ainz because of the 35% magic damage reduction

Try
Ainz
Brutus
Tasi
Rowan
Eironn

[pale kettle]

This way?

[humble apex]

Yeah, the goal there is to get eironn Rowan and Tasi to ult followed by ainz, but I’m not sure if they survive long enough

[pale kettle]

No they dont

[humble apex]

Lyca for eironn maybe. Rowan, Tasi, Eironn, and Lyca rely on dodging to survive so it usually takes some retries to get the right rng

[pale kettle]

Should i upgrade the Si of Lyca to 20 or i should wait for the new dimensional which will come and then upgrade his to lv20?

[humble apex]

I wouldn’t upgrade the new dim’s SI until people have had enough time to decide whether he’s worth it. I would make sure you have enough emblems to get daimon straight to 20, then use the excess on eironn then Lyca.

[fierce viper]

@woven mason That one change got me through, thank you so much ❤️

[woven mason]

yea, safya is pretty amazing in 5 pull bcs she reduces enemy attack rating by 50%

[fierce viper]

for real though.

[maiden marsh]

#classic-questions

[lone tiger]

woops sorry

[dreamy drum]

Guys please help i am so stuck here I also have a taylene.

[patent hemlock]

Anyone 😔

[lone wren]

stop making L+ heroes and show hero box

[lone wren]

try rowan tasi ferael daimon nara

[patent hemlock]

I don’t have nara :/

[lone wren]

if your own arden cant out speed the enemy ferael fear slot in a Lyca and do the postions as follows:
Rowan brurus ainz lyca arden

[lone wren]

well that will be tricky

u can swap nara position for joker
just rng dodge and intrrrupts untill u win

[dreamy drum]

yeah i think im just too weak, ive tried almost everything

[lone wren]

40 deficit isnt that bad

your ainz is also just 18 levels behind just needs a good crit on ult

[dreamy drum]

Ive legit tried entire day. he needs 3 ults

[patent hemlock]

Tasi is getting destroyed she’s not dodging, prob bc her boots aren’t good enough yet. I’ll try swapping her for brutus maybe.

This is tough 😬 that Eironn is really messing things up

[pale lagoon]

Any ideas?

[patent hemlock]

‼️

[lone wren]

show hero box

u are approching 100 level deficit so things will feel different

[lone wren]

[pale lagoon]

http://imgur.com/a/ER3okgX yeah feeling the level deficit fr

Any ideas?

[lone wren]

try eirron with call ,rowan daimon lyca ferael

if u feel like u need more lockdown switch lyca out for tasi

[pale lagoon]

Kk, farael at the bottom?

[lone wren]

ye position 5

[pale lagoon]

KK brb ima try, I might put farael on drape so he gets the fear off...

Ayyyy it worked. Thanks a ton @lone wren

[frigid grail]

Should I make an adjustment here? Does Lyca, Thoran, Skriath or anyone else fits in my team? (for casual early game progression)

[lone wren]

[lone wren]

well u shouldnt be making any # ascended tier hero to L this early
read pins here and in #classic-questions

[fleet thistle]

this is pretty hard

[maiden marsh]

nara with call middle back

[fleet thistle]

rest the same?

[frigid grail]

I read those, but the point of ascending fodders first is because I can make them L+ easier, isn't it? I only ascended 2 ascended tier hero, because I got 4 copy of them

[lone wren]

does your nara got factioned tq boots?

if no try albedo brutus lyca nara ainz

[maiden marsh]

that'll solve like 99% of the problem, just experiment with the rest

lyca also might be needed since they have one

[smoky anvil]

Any ideas?

[lone wren]

no ascended tier heroes are different From Legendary tier heroes (fodder)
thays what i meant dont ascemd ascended tier heroed this early

[fleet thistle]

do i need si on nara/

i have her si 1

[lone wren]

hogan brutus ferael nara daimon

[maiden marsh]

no

[lone wren]

it helps but thats at +15

u generally need a t1 5* factioned boots or call

[fleet thistle]

im dying faster than before

[maiden marsh]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/565578751715573770/830862995664011274/image0.gif

[ebon shell]

Any tips about what i should do?

[lone wren]

read pins here and in #classic-questions

[fleet thistle]

i have t2 2 star

nvm i also have t1 5 star

[lone wren]

the 5* gives the most haste
should be fine if u pair her eith call artifact

[ebon shell]

Yeah i did, but im stuck with no summons and i still don’t have enough fooder to make those 2 Mirael or daimon or rosaline or hogan to L+

And i’m starting to stuggle in stages

[lone wren]

patience is a virtue
u didnt make any mistakes just have to wait it out

[smoky anvil]

not as much of a difference from the last time you helped me, but this one may work too I'll just keep retrying like this

[lone wren]

should be fine to cancel bats

[frigid grail]

I understand that ascending to L this early is not worth it, but if I can ascend to L+, then why not? The goal is to make 5 hero to L+ ASAP, to be able to make a good fundation for Resonating Crystal, or I got something wrong?

[ebon shell]

So i should just keep doing stages till i can’t no more and wait for daily diamonds for more summs till i can get those E+ (Mirael, Hogan atleast) to L+ right? @lone wren

[lone wren]

the point is that u are wasting fodder on a hero that u MAY not get coppied for to get to Adcendrd early so u level up legendary tier heroes as high as possible because they're safe and are used to get L+ ascended tier heroes to M

also they carry u early due to how fast u can get them L+ and get them over leveled

[smoky anvil]

Daimon to L+ is definitely good, but skriath to L+ this early is a waste because then you won't be able to take other more valuable heroes to mythic

[lone wren]

yes the account will come along natural

[ebon shell]

Another question .. @lone wren Should i save purple gear/purple+ (best i have now..) for mobs on ressonating crystal? In case i wanna use them, or just use the main line up gear if i need to swap one? (That case i will only be able to switch mage for mage , etc i guess?)

[smoky anvil]

@lone wren maybe thoran instead of hogan? I think he survives longer and helps with the faction bonus

[frigid grail]

Oh, I was one step behind. Skriath was my learning money then, thanks for the info

[lone wren]

if he can survive longer there go for it
generally ascension is better at this stage of the game

[fleet thistle]

bruh im dying super fast

idk if maybe nara is not interrupting bats

[smoky anvil]

both of them die nearly intantly, thoran has the second life tho

[lone wren]

in the main heroes u use often and swap up if nessceary

not every hero needs the gear some are just there for the haste like lyca or immunity like brutus

mainly gear your carry well and the tanks
non other rewlly need it but crowd control units like arden tasi etc
even some that dont gain relevant stats from gear early like ferael just to survive a stray aoe hit frome enemies

[lone wren]

if he can revive in time sure it may help

and who is getting you killed ?
is it the dref?

[smoky anvil]

the shroom

[fleet thistle]

nara not working

[smoky anvil]

They just won't die

[ebon shell]

Ok, so if i keep Mirael, daimon and hogan gear with best + enchant i have in moment, every other can just be equiped with the best i have without enchants, even the ones on ressonating crystal will be there just for buff or w.e is that it? (In this stage of game ofc Stage 9)

[lone wren]

ah
well u probably need a tasi in

try daimon brutus ferael nara tasi

see if tadi can banidh him b4 he tirggers that ability
the spikes from below
if shes not fast enough remove nara for lyca and hope that ferael fears the enemy tasi

[ebon shell]

And just swap the gear of supports with the ressonating cause the other 2 won’t be switched soon?

[smoky anvil]

rip 25 diamonds, but I think it's worth the try

[lone wren]

if u had a higher Arden he get 3 taregts on his roots early enough ehile ferael only got 2 taregts on fear at this level

[smoky anvil]

Fera is 3 as well

[lone wren]

ye u ont have to stress about grwr or even upgrading them this early just having the best gear on carries then tankd then supports will get u through most eerly game

[fleet thistle]

what can i try nara in the center is not working, they die fast, if i put rowan in the center they survive longer but they still destroy me

[lone wren]

gorvo jump can one shot heroes but u need to work around it

the nara is needed in there to disable the mehira
any other way is very heavy rng and u dont really want to go there

[smoky anvil]

daimon in front just dies :/

[ebon shell]

@lone wren so what should i do with the purple, blue, green and grey gear? I can enchant carry gear and tank right? Or should i just save them for one day to use them to enchant better gear? O.o

[lone wren]

the alternative comp is Rowan tasi saf eirron lyca

[lone wren]

ye just save thw gold and gear for when u get mythic gear

[ebon shell]

Bag no limit?

[lone wren]

nope

[lone wren]

who's soing the most dmg now?
is tasi banishing in time?

[smoky anvil]

tasi is not banishing in time no

my call is on daimon

[ebon shell]

@lone wren thanks a lot, gonna spam stages till i can’t do more while lvl up mirael, hogan and daimon to carry me this stages. Saving gear and e+ copies of whatever i can find till i can start doing some L+.

[lone wren]

then u will have to remove nara for lyca and count on ferael fearing the enemy tasi

[smoky anvil]

pray for me lol

[ebon shell]

@lone wren sorry another question... i’m gonna send screenshot again. Am i doing right using Hogan + Daimon as front line or should i just use 1 tank and put another unit in front with one of them only?

If i should trade 1 tank, for what would u trade in my pool?

[lone wren]

usually daimin front line should work but most the time u want him backline due to:
the game having a stagger mechanic where if u take more than 10% of your max hp your skill being casted is itnerrupter and put on cd which is devastaring if he was casting blood shield

2nd is enemies that open wirh cc or got frequent cc skills like estrilda and hoga

[lone wren]

Brutus is always a solis tank even at e due to his immunitt

its quite valuable vs heavy hitters

[warm bison]

Any suggestions to beat 29-28? I can send a ss of the enemies if you need

[lone wren]

ye send the ss of the enemies no one memorises stages lol

also stop making L and L+ heroes

[nimble void]

Is this doable at all? Been going at it for like 30 mins

[warm bison]

I'm ascending Izold and Lyca to mythic rn, the other legendary heroes are from early game

[lone wren]

try brutus rowan ferael albedo ainz

[lone wren]

approching 100 level deficit will feel very bad st firsr but yes irs doable

showing us hero box will help

[warm bison]

Ty, I'll try

[nimble void]

That’s the box

[lone wren]

a screenshot like this

[warm bison]

Not even close :(

[pale lagoon]

How good is eirrons dodge gear?

[lusty breach]

saw the pinned guide saying to change out of wukong at lvl 100 but do i do it now? or when should i do it

[lone wren]

u got aassive ainz so should be fine with retries
walk me.through who does rhe most dmg and who dies firsr from your team

[pale lagoon]

@lusty breach mirael till 160

[lone wren]

when you upgrade other heroes past lvl 100 should reset him
no need righ awah

[lusty breach]

so all reach 100 first?

[lone wren]

ye

[lusty breach]

im planning on replacing wukong w mirael

[pale lagoon]

Once morvus becomes E+, make a Mirael L+

[lusty breach]

but just not sure when to do so

[lone wren]

when he stops working is a good indicator

[warm bison]

Ainz doesn't even have a chance to cast the ultimate, I've tried 20 times, only 3 ultimates

[pale lagoon]

Replace once mirael becomes 101

[lusty breach]

honestly wouldnt know when he stops working hahaha

[pale lagoon]

You can use both of them at the same time until everyone hits level 100 and then mirael starts gaining more levels

[lone wren]

try smth like brutus rowan ainz tasi daimon

this should give u newr enough time to proc goal of all life ans some ults from daimon and him

[warm bison]

Ok

[lusty breach]

ohh ok thanks all!

[wispy night]

Ofc, I clear this only with 2.1 M power,here my lineup,hope can help

[warm bison]

All team dies in 12-17 seconds

[lone wren]

who's tasi banishing there and who did most the dmg?

[warm bison]

Tasi dies instantly

[ebon hazel]

Keep getting timed out

[warm bison]

Daimon deals the most damage

Oh, Tasi banishes Brutus

Btw, tasi is E+ so no SI

[lone wren]

meant from the enemy team

tasi should be fine at e
who his targeting her?
outside of the inital ankhira rsnged atk she should be fine its just rng with her tele till she's safe

[warm bison]

Yea, she banishes Brutus

There's a Brutus in the enemy team

Rowan Thoran Ainz Lyca Tasi is giving the best results so far

Ok, cleared with the team i mentioned

[lone wren]

Rowan in p1 is very rng dependant vs that saveas
also brutus rowar disables the dodge
but sure id he can live long enough its nice

[warm bison]

Ty for the help, I'd have never used Tasi in the team

[pale kettle]

Last spot for my PvP team? Defense.

Was torn between lyca, tasi or even silas

[terse cliff]

Help needed

[lone wren]

show hero box

[terse cliff]

It just says compressing files I’ve tried posting it a few times

[lone wren]

discord img recognition thinks the heroes section background looks like a long pic of human skin that may be you know what
so it blocks it

anyways..try smth like brutus daimon ainz nara and lyca

[terse cliff]

Ohhhh ok I wish it would tell that rather than just chilling on compressing

[lone wren]

this stage can be done by daimon alone but u lack some units that can frontline here

an alternative is brutus tasi daimin nara lyca

[alpine lake]

https://i.imgur.com/4gMBwYZ.png

Anyone got an idea to pass this one Brutus is annoying

Idk how but my lucius is not tanky enough

[lone wren]

Lucius is not really a tank

show us your hero box

[alpine lake]

https://i.imgur.com/N6WnoRY.png

[lone wren]

ok so stop making ascended tier heroes to legendary and focus on that arden as your highest wilder hero just like the guides say in #classic-questions

reset eirron and lucius after u read the guides

the try this formation: rowan Lucius lyca arden daimon

[alpine lake]

Arden is that good ?

[humble apex]

Arden is one of the best supports in the game up to lv 160

and since he's fodder it's guaranteed that every player can build him

[alpine lake]

Alright ill go check the guide then might be usefull

[lone wren]

he's the best wilder pret 160

[alpine lake]

Ty for your advices

[wanton gate]

Stuck 11-40.. any suggestions?

[pale kettle]

g-guys? 🥺

[ebon hazel]

Lyca

[autumn ginkgo]

This level so fkn annoying because I wanna pull fereal and Arden but there’s the thane

[orchid raven]

What's the best Team i can build/Should start building towards

[wind token]

can someone tell me proper lineup

[high marlin]

https://www.reddit.com/r/afkarena/comments/le0b0p/visual_guide_to_end_game_pve_formations_by_arty/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share

[wind token]

thanks

[glad acorn]

A lil help please

[thorny pine]

I need somebody to help me

[pale kettle]

Going to throw my phone at a wall

[high marlin]

Did you try Ferael yet

[pale kettle]

Yes

[high marlin]

Is your ainz maxed?

[pale kettle]

Maxed as in Si?

[high marlin]

You dont have Arden, so I would use nara and pull whoever is killing you.

Maxed as in si30 9/9

[pale kettle]

Si 30, 3/9

[high marlin]

You have Eironn so try to pull Savaes or safiya.

[pale kettle]

Me?

[high marlin]

Yes

[keen jungle]

Any advice?

[thorny pine]

I prob sound dumb but who is nara

[high marlin]

If that doesn't work go on afk helper and find some ainz comps

[high marlin]

Axe lady. She's a graveborn

[thorny pine]

Ok

[high marlin]

Put arden on your crystal. He is very strong until you cap him at 160

[thorny pine]

Who should I swap out for her

[high marlin]

Izold or wu kong

[thorny pine]

Ok

[keen jungle]

? I already lvld arden

[high marlin]

Oh nvm I saw your other copy of him. Start using him over izold

[keen jungle]

Use him as a frontline?

[orchid raven]

help :(

[teal glade]

Best chasmic teams?

[glad acorn]

Helps

[main orbit]

Whats 2 good compa for the new boss

[storm epoch]

@teal glade this worked great for me maybe give it a try

[teal glade]

Cheers

[storm epoch]

think u are missing baden switch for either cecilia/wukong maybe even raine

[keen jungle]

Stuck

[pale lagoon]

How do these teams look

[wanton gate]

Any advice? Stuck

[high marlin]

Need more support. You have 3 carries rn

[untold swift]

I'm stuck at this stage and spent the whole day trying different heros

[high marlin]

Use Erionn to pull arden

[untold swift]

But the shemira is really my problem

[forest stream]

Hi guys! Any suggestions on how to defeat this? Thanks

[high marlin]

Use eironn to pull shemira then

[forest stream]

Try using Daimon instead of the turtle

[untold swift]

I'll brb

[high marlin]

Eironn with lyca should be able to pull grezhul shemira and Isabella

So:
Diamon
--------->Eironn
Rowan
--------->Tasi
Lyca

Put rowan on the frontline if you built him enough to tank

[untold swift]

I tried use eironn on shemira but I got killed when she casted her ultimate skill

I cant distract,stun or stop here from her skill and I keep getting killed

[forest stream]

That was super helpful. Thank youuu

[high marlin]

Put lyca in there too. That'll give eironn enough speed to pull before he gets interrupted

Also I just noticed all of your characters are the same level. You need to get your carry 20-40 levels ahead of your team

[spare depot]

This lvl is straight annoying :/

[untold swift]

That bcoz I couldn't upgrade them due to the ascension level so they all got maxed

[high marlin]

Did you check afk helper yet btw? That would help you more than I could

[untold swift]

Not sure what that is

[high marlin]

https://afkhelper.nax.is/campaign.php?chapter=20&stage=60#

[storm epoch]

@spare depot

[untold swift]

Ty

[storm epoch]

@spare depot nara stays center would only switch positions with lyca and izold left would likely get dmg reduction in asap

[spare depot]

It works better but the fareal screws izold over

I'm pretty sure it's because lyca is only legendary

[pale kettle]

So the lineup I've been using has averaged about 1.5x winnable power deficit swapping ainz and belinda every so often. Anything I'm missing to get past this last stage?

[spare depot]

@storm epoch HOLY SHIT I LOVE YOU

Thanks m8

[teal glade]

Ended up doing saurus, talene, twins, warek, mortas. Izzy, lyca, sylas, raine, daimon

[storm epoch]

@spare depot Gz 🥳🥳🥳

[spare depot]

Yea Torres your the m8 now

[jovial mango]

eirron pull ruins it, killing whoever is in tasis’ position, ive tried tasi and ainz front line but they die obv

[high marlin]

Usually nara or Ferael can stop him

[jovial mango]

fareal can’t do anything bc the pull kills him

[untold swift]

I did ty for your help

I had to ascend 3 people but it was worth it

[high marlin]

Make sure to save that website for when you have trouble with other stages

[balmy hinge]

Can i get any help?

[high marlin]

Silvina, hogan, Mirael, rowan, tasi

[balmy hinge]

Okay

[high marlin]

You want to make Mirael or Savaes your carry, not Silvina

[balmy hinge]

In that order?

[high marlin]

Probably. Silvina will jump immediately so having her on the frontline will be fine

[balmy hinge]

Okay

[high marlin]

Wait you have arden my bad. Use him instead of tasi

[balmy hinge]

I lost oh use arden

[rough mortar]

any help?

[high marlin]

Yeah I forgot you had him

[high marlin]

With?

[rough mortar]

line up and aim heroes. having trouble with my chapter right now. im on chapter 13

[high marlin]

Well for starters make sure your carry is always 20-40 levels ahead. So rn that's your shemira

[rough mortar]

how about the future line ups? any suggestionns?

[high marlin]

Try to get rowan. He is very valuable

[rough mortar]

thanks

[high marlin]

Then go:
Brutus, Lyca, Shemira, Rowan, Ferael

[pale kettle]

@rough mortar you have your wishlist set up and everything too right?

whoop wrong ping @balmy hinge

[high marlin]

Both of them works

[exotic dew]

Can my lineup get better
If so pls tell me

[high marlin]

Make sure your carry is always higher level than your team

[pale kettle]

man ive tried like 3 different lineups from afkhelper that i had better leveled/ascended heros and better duras tree levels but they still wont win

[maiden marsh]

Artifacts are important

[pale kettle]

pretty sure i got the right artifacts on the right heros, not to mention theyre mostly 1 star

[maiden marsh]

Show the stage and artis

[split sparrow]

Hiya IV only just started afk arena these past couple days and what wondering what heroes I should invest my resources in to progress smoothly

[high marlin]

Please read the guide in the pinned section of the questions channel. It'll give you a lot of help

[split sparrow]

Alright ill check it out thanks

[pale kettle]

Doing stage 20-60 using Jyo's formation

This is what I've been using in general for the past like 10 chapters, swapping belinda and ainz whenever

[maiden marsh]

Chalice on brutus, call on daimon, call on tasi, eye on nara.

[pale kettle]

noope

[nimble void]

This doable?

Probably not right? I’m willing to use a merc on it, but I’m not sure what unit to merc to beat it

[high marlin]

Who's the most annoying person to you

[nimble void]

Tasi/Ferael are both obnoxious

[high marlin]

Can't you put Eironn in front to pull those 3?

[nimble void]

I did, but then vurk was annoying, and they then Tasi and Ferael got ults off

[exotic dew]

Who should be my carry

[high marlin]

Well you definitely want to deal with Ferael so try in front of brutus

[nimble void]

But Tasi takes Eironn out and then he’s useless

[high marlin]

Check afk helper then to see what formations they used

[pale kettle]

Finally got it

still fukin mindblown how Jyo beat it

[nimble void]

Can anyone else chime in on my problem? I’ve tried everyone all over the place

[exotic dew]

Is this a good formation

[pale kettle]

i'd swap izold for grehzul personally

and actually put rowan or rosaline frontline instead of daimon

[open moat]

Any advice on getting through this??im getting cc trained like a mofo xD(eironn is only there to pull them in and try to get through)

[wispy totem]

Base on who I have what's a good lineup I should be using

[meager aspen]

Any good line up for the new event

[brisk heart]

Anyone willing to recommend me a good primary lineup? I don’t really have all the right heroes to do a full lineup from the guides I’ve seen and I really suck at team building

[pale lagoon]

Show units@brisk heart

[pale lagoon]

Your units are pretty rough m8

[pale lagoon]

You got all the bad ones ascended, but I would level Belinda and use:
Bel

Alna perhaps
Do you have Rowan/Lyca? Fawkes can also go here
Tasi
Fawkes (Lyca can also go here, but not rowan).

[pale lagoon]

Have you been using eirron saf?

[brisk heart]

Something like that, yeah. I do have one of those scrolls as well

[pale lagoon]

Farael

Lyca
Eirron
Rowan
Safiya

Is pre good for eirron saf

[brisk heart]

So I could swap one out

[pale lagoon]

Farael can be swapped with task as well. If anything I would swap for daimon, but hmm... Ask #classic-questions they are more experienced than me.

[wispy totem]

What do u mean by rough? I just nearly started a 2 or 3 weeks ago

[brisk heart]

Alright

[pale lagoon]

Swapping for a 4* daimon would be pretty hot

[pale lagoon]

All your units are ok, but none of them are great (at least early game), so it's gonna be rough working through that. I've done it before though, myself.

[pale lagoon]

Again you can use this lineup perhaps @wispy totem

[wispy totem]

So try getting more troops than what I'm using?

[pale lagoon]

No, try getting better characters. Also, Don't make Legendary Heros you can't make L+.

Reason: If you get make [Belinda] Legendary, you just used Belinda E+ and 2 E+ fodder. If you only have one E Belinda, then you cannot make her E+. So now you have one Legendary Belinda, and one E Belinda. However, if you can't get any Belinda for the next couple months, but manage to get multiple Rowan, then you really need those two E+ fodder. You will really be regretting it because you could maybe have a M Rowan with SI activated, giving energy potions to your team.

And just because you can make a hero L+doesn't mean you should. Some Heroes take priority over others.

Here is a pretty useful infographic

[wispy totem]

I have most of those lightbearers but there all elite still

[pale lagoon]

Yeah, you have to pick which ones to build and then focus on those instead of having lots of people at L+

L+ honestly means nothing except raising level cap early game. M is a big jump unlocking signatures items. A is also a big spike with furniture.

Here are my LB for instance, lots of copies of Belinda but I'm saving to invest in Raine and Gwenyth

[wispy totem]

Like focus on factions or just specific heros

[pale lagoon]

Specific Heroes in the list above.

You can focus on one hero per faction usually, since they use different food

Use your faction scrolls on graveborn, use redemption codes and use Elite cards on gb

Only 10x summon except for HCP, which you unlock later at 1 A hero.

[mighty ferry]

Best devourer lineup?

[pale lagoon]

@mighty ferry first of all Don't make Legendary Heros you can't make L+.

Reason: If you get make [Belinda] Legendary, you just used Belinda E+ and 2 E+ fodder. If you only have one E Belinda, then you cannot make her E+. So now you have one Legendary Belinda, and one E Belinda. However, if you can't get any Belinda for the next couple months, but manage to get multiple Rowan, then you really need those two E+ fodder. You will really be regretting it because you could maybe have a M Rowan with SI activated, giving energy potions to your team.

[dawn vine]

Any tips on this stage? Hard stuck

[pale lagoon]

Second of all, you can try something like:
Mortas

Wukong
Lyca
Talene
Eirron/Gwen

Perhaps

[mighty ferry]

Alright thank you for the tips!

[pale lagoon]

Rowan, thoran, lyca, daimon, nara/Brutus/talene

[pale lagoon]

Anytime :)

[dawn vine]

Rowan/thoran front?

[pale lagoon]

Yes

[dawn vine]

Got it thanks

[pale lagoon]

Good luck

[vapid field]

https://gyazo.com/d826eab2a2a2507b7f557ed1638db246

[high marlin]

Any ideas

[warm bison]

Stuck again

[dawn vine]

Still very very hard stuck here, any tips 😆

[narrow lark]

I've been coasting a bit and now I'm stuck on 16-12. Any ideas, or should I wait til I can raise my levels higher?

[stuck patio]

Stuck on the last boss of the chapter. She hurts. :(

[ocean dock]

I just started playing the game what should be the best lineup for me?

[viscid pine]

Go to #classic-questions and read the pins

@stuck patio Make Eironn pull Arden? Also does Alna survive for long? You could replace her with ROwan

[stuck patio]

When I pull Arden, Eironn dies almost instnatly. Alna survives okay. The lineup is stable until Thane or boss Athalia ults at which point my entire team dies instantly. Also the other issue is Athalia erasing one charater at the start.

[viscid pine]

Does Eironn have Call? It might give enough haste for Eironn to knock back Arden and Lucius before they can attack.

Also Thoran might be more useful than Alna is she doesn't perform well.

[high marlin]

Wu Kong any help for ya boy

[orchid raven]

Is there some broken Team i can build / almost build ?

[stuck patio]

Sorry for the late response, but Eironn does have call and still not enough haste to push them back.

[tired agate]

please I need help 😦

nvm I just beat it

[dawn vine]

Please help? Hard stuck

[stuck patio]

Drop Nara, move Daimon up top, I think. Biggest issue I had was their backline mid.

[pale kettle]

I'm trying to hit top 10 on my server with this new event, I was just there, and barely lost it. Can anybody give me the best lineups w/ artifacts?

4 tries left

[copper jacinth]

needing help, it's always fera and isa

[dawn vine]

Yes Im having a lot of issues with fareal, who would you replace nara with?

[stuck patio]

Try Lyca. Haste could help Daimon and Rowan get off their feet faster

[half delta]

Any tips & recommendations on what to focus on next? Stuck on 23-2

[mortal sable]

do i even have a chance? What do I do?

[storm wadi]

Help, I have to beat an Arcane Labyrinth formation containing lvl 385: Kaz(Grace), Seirus(Eye), Tasi(Eye), Nemora(Call), and Talene(Drape)!
Which fighters do I use?

[smoky anvil]

Tips for this stage? These tanky 1 shot, cc, healing teams are pretty frustrating

[thorny pine]

Help please

I just really need some help

[heavy yacht]

You should read the pins in #classic-questions it would help a lot, also don't ascend hero to L if you can't L+ them :/

[thorny pine]

Ok but like can you give me a lineup recommendations

[vivid scaffold]

As we can't Merc, could you help me to pick my 2 teams for Chasmic Altar? :)
I think the first Daimon-based team will be the strongest

[rough crescent]

Any tip on this?

Any tips to defeat this last trials of god highbourn

[dawn vine]

Any tips guys?

[zealous prairie]

i dont think u should put thoran at the front

i am pretty sure he is going to die very easily

try swapping daimon with thoran put the bird at the back instead

[vivid scaffold]

I'd remove Brutus, put Daimon in front and Moral behind him

Try with Tasi too

[dawn vine]

Thanks i got the stage done!

Any tips for furniture wishlist set up?

[pale kettle]

#classic-questions

[dawn vine]

Oh yes sorry

[fiery condor]

Ideas?

[digital skiff]

Ngl that's kinda hard to beat

[digital skiff]

Swap places with lyca and daimon and thoran and brutus. Nemora will charm daimon otherwise

[desert drift]

need help on 31 56

[shut haven]

Currently on 10-11, who should i build my team around and who to level up?

[smoky anvil]

anyone?

[drowsy inlet]

Stuck on 7-36, am I just under leveled or is my comp not the best? Running top row for almost everything rn

[smoky anvil]

stop making A tier heroes L, only level 5 heroes and reset the others, put the ones you want to use on the crystal, read the pinned guide on #classic-questions

[drowsy inlet]

should i just reset everyone and level fodder or keep the 5 ive been using and just reset everyone else?

foun the guide after id already gotten to chapter 7 so wasnt sure if i should just start from scratch

[smoky anvil]

you can just keep going on yours, you have 1 copy of mortas and the only wasted L is silas; I would only restart if you didn't set up your wishlist when you started

But you seem to have decent heroes so I think you did, you can keep leveling rowan instead of a fodder up until lvl140 but the rest I'd reset yes

[drowsy inlet]

yeah i did do my wishlist early, ok ill reset everyone but my lineup, thanks!

was there a teir list linked in the guide? i dont remember seeing one

[smoky anvil]

no, because tier lists suck; there is a recommended list of heroes to put on your crystal though

[drowsy inlet]

ok ty

[whole vortex]

Could anyone help me build a line up featuring eironn?

[maiden marsh]

here's a suboptimal option but more suited to a mid/lategame player like you

[whole vortex]

That one works better for what I have rn

Thanks a lot I appreciate it

[sly talon]

Stuck.

[digital skiff]

Dont make anymore legendary heroes and lvl mirael to 160

[shut haven]

Ok! And a lineup for Mirael? Currently run her with this

[digital skiff]

I'd swap numisu with nemora

[sly talon]

@digital skiff You wanna help me?

[digital skiff]

Put 1) brutus 2) rowan 3) ferael 4) daimon 5) luci

But that mirael hypo mage will probably squish your backline since ferael is a L

[sly talon]

Ferael is L+.

[digital skiff]

I'm blind tho but still looking squish. Try if that comp works, biggest enemy is Isabella

[whole vortex]

Stuck

[sly talon]

@digital skiff Doesn't work. 😦

[digital skiff]

What dies first?

[sly talon]

Ferael dies first, and then Brutus, then Rowan, then Lucius, and then Daimon.

[digital skiff]

Me too, they just had to put a fera stage first thing

[digital skiff]

Does fera stun? Or does he die instantly

[sly talon]

He gets off one fear, and then dies.

@digital skiff Battle stats.

[digital skiff]

Do you have a nara?

[sly talon]

No, I wish I did.

[smoky anvil]

does anyone have any ideas?

[digital skiff]

Best bet is to get everyone to 160 and lvl daimon up a bit

[digital skiff]

You don't have any supports except lyca

Needs more sustain

[smoky anvil]

silas?

[digital skiff]

Try Rosaline instead of fera

E+ silas isn't gonna cut it but try and see if he can get the clouds up before dying

[patent hemlock]

Anyone have 2 decent teams for me for the new event?

[sly talon]

@digital skiff Not working either.

[digital skiff]

Rip the dream then, probably wait for upgrading daimon

[digital skiff]

Saurus twins rosa lyca alna, joker belinda daimon warek and do you have mortas

[patent hemlock]

I don’t, I’m getting mortas tonight though!

[digital skiff]

Then last spot will be rowan then for now, and after mortas, swap him with belinda

Thats the scrap i put together and it works somehow with the 80% mage debuff

[patent hemlock]

Sad, can’t use joker and rosaline in different comps since they’re linked

[digital skiff]

So basically, saurus rosa lyca mortas twins AND daimon alna warek rowan chicken/Belinda is the final comp. See if chicken or bel do more damage

[patent hemlock]

Alright I’ll lyk how it goes tonight when I get mortas! 🙂

[digital skiff]

Its martial ratings tho so no need to shuffle artifacts up

Just throw in and do your best, we always have whales for the damage count

[meager aspen]

Help please

[coarse lantern]

Need help with a team im stuck on 7-36

[thorny pine]

Help please

[wise schooner]

Ideas on how to beat this stage?

[tawdry coral]

whose the best out of my guys?

[strong badge]

Daimon id say

[clever patio]

Can merc anyone for this btw

[copper jacinth]

can anyone help me? tried to swap mehira with tasi as well, at some point it was so close (1v1 ainz & isa) but the moment isa ult, everything's done

[sly talon]

Can anybody help me?

[clever patio]

Swap Brutus and Lucius. Take Brutus out and put fareal in that spot and then either gwyn or new cele in last spot like this. Gwyn/morael could be changed in and out depending

[ebon shell]

Can someone help me ?..

Stuck ..

[sly talon]

Not working...

[pale lagoon]

Any help?

[pale lagoon]

Daimon

Brutus
Mirael
Hogan
Rosaline

Or change Brutus and Hogan, Rosaline and daimon. Swap their places so you kill Vedan quicker.

[sly talon]

@pale lagoon You're replying to the wrong message.

[wise schooner]

Tips?

[pale lagoon]

Show units?

[sly talon]

I beat that stage, but stuck on last stage of Chapter 17.

@pale lagoon @clever patio

[narrow lark]

I've been coasting a bit and now I'm stuck on 16-12. Any ideas, or should I wait til I can raise my levels higher?

[ebon shell]

Anybody?

[sly talon]

Anybody?

[clever patio]

Not much you can do. Just keep summoning you might be at a stuck point lol

[sly talon]

Is that to me? Or who?

[clever patio]

For darthz

[sly talon]

@clever patio How about me?

[pale lagoon]

Show units

[shut bluff]

Still stuck here guys 😦 pulling my hair out!! Any pro help pleeeeeeeease

[sly talon]

@pale lagoon

Anybody?

[exotic dew]

Can my lineup get better

[pale lagoon]

Swap farael for lyca, try: lyca/brutus, Rowan, Brutus/Lucius, _ (fawkes/farael?), Daimon

[sly talon]

Uhhh.
Are those positions numbered in order from 1-5?

[pale lagoon]

Use wukong instead of nemora at your level. Also, don't make L heroes, if you can't make them L+.

Rosaline

Grezhul
Wukong
Rowan
Daimon

[pale lagoon]

Brutus/Lucius (Luc if Brutus in front of him)

Lyca/Brutus
Farael/Fawkes
Rowan
Daimon

You can try swapping Lucius and Brutus as well, putting Lucius in front of Brutus.

[opaque glacier]

I'm currently at 11-12, and pretty locked in where i can go, any suggestions?

I have Dura's Graze on Mirael, Izold and Shemira if that helps.

[sly talon]

@pale lagoon I hate Numisu and Nemora. 😠

[whole vortex]

Stuck anyone got suggestions for line up and artifact?

[worthy steeple]

Anything I should change for my LCT lineupes?

[pale lagoon]

Just keep retrying there's is some RNG.

[pale lagoon]

Don't make Legendary Heros you can't make L+.

Reason: If you get make [Belinda] Legendary, you just used Belinda E+ and 2 E+ fodder. If you only have one E Belinda, then you cannot make her E+. So now you have one Legendary Belinda, and one E Belinda. However, if you can't get any Belinda for the next couple months, but manage to get multiple Rowan, then you really need those two E+ fodder. You will really be regretting it because you could maybe have a M Rowan with SI activated, giving energy potions to your team.

[sly talon]

@pale lagoon Is there a way to either get Nemora or Numisu out first?
I've been trying for the past 30 minutes, but the healing just-

[proud plover]

For the chasmic altar, I got to gold I, but I wasn't sure if my team could improve more since the damage from intelligence heroes got needed. Here's what I used for the previous attempt.

[pale lagoon]

Not really, try clearing some of the peaks of time and get past some dust walls or w/e

[sly talon]

I have a ton of dust, no EXP.

[pale lagoon]

Grind through them anyways, and kings tower for the rewards.

[sly talon]

I'm stuck on Kings Tower and PoT.

[pale lagoon]

Btw if anybody has any ideas would be great :) http://imgur.com/a/ER3okgX

[viral pebble]

elp

[eternal echo]

cant seem to get past 26-60 athali is 1 shoting my team 4 sec or so after fight starts

[exotic dew]

I can’t get past the level

[lone wren]

try safiyabif yours is big enough and hope for a dodge to get her field up

u would need more cc to win this showing hero box will help

[lone wren]

this a rather very aggresive team into your very slow and only decently invested ainz team

u will need alot of cc here
try smth like tasi (with your best gear) albedo ainz rowan ferael

if albedo dies too fast try brurus in her postion and switch out ferael for him

[lone wren]

stop making ascended tier heroes to legendary and read pins here and in #classic-questions

u are alresdy over leveled there shouldnt be a problem

[lone wren]

try smth like tidus tasi rowan eirron ferael

prioritise your best dodge gear on ferael then 2nd best wp and boots on eirron

[viral pebble]

will do, thanks a lot

[pale kettle]

@lone wren tysm, I beat it

[lone wren]

[pale kettle]

It has become cheese now, thank you so very much!

[viral pebble]

so close!

[pale kettle]

Nevermind

[viral pebble]

beat it! thank you!

[lone wren]

[lone wren]

u would really really want daimon +20 soon

also build an eirron so u got a burst comp u already got skirath to do 5 pull
both want 3 furn

try rowan albedo joker tasi and ainz

[pale kettle]

Get melted

What is 5 pull?

Nvm, beat it

I get stuck on every single level

[lone wren]

5 pull is when u use eirron in p4 combined with skirath with 3 furn to pull everyone in since it gets p3 and p5 enemies close enough for pull

[pale kettle]

So pull everyone basically?

What is p4 then?

[lone wren]

remove joker use brutus and put him frontlie in place of tasi

if your tasi gear is bad (weapon and boots mainly u may have to replace her for ferael

[lone wren]

p4 is positoon 4
u will notice the 5 slots gor numbers

[pale kettle]

I get to 3 enemies

So I should be getting Skriath to 3 furn?

[lone wren]

yea
:
and eirron built
atleast 200 but 203 is better snd 303 is best

@pale kettle

[frigid grail]

What's the best possible setup I could make for main stage progression?

I currently level up Daimon, Skriath, Mirael, Arden and whoever I'll get fodder for first, to 160. I know I shouldn't make Skriath to leg+. But aside that, I'm leveling these 5 to have a lv160 Resonating Crystal. Who should I put into it, and who's gear should I enhance?

I'm running Daimon+Izold front, Ferael+Rowan+Talene back now, not sure if there's a better comp from my stash. Thoughts?

[lone wren]

read pins here and in #classic-questions and stop making ascended tier heroes to legendary

[radiant vine]

Who would be good to +30 next? Just got Lyca to +25.

[pale kettle]

Im stuck at campaign level 11-31,any ideas?

[pale kettle]

I'm not too good but it doesn't look like you have any good carry heroes. You should start trying to build a Daimon,Ainz,Talene etc.

[pale kettle]

Why stop lyca and +25 and not +30 her?

should i make another acc?

[radiant vine]

I've heard that its not really necessary to go past +25 you just take hers there for the stats

[pale kettle]

No, it's not that difficult to build up one of those heroes. You can also collect materials and garrison an Ainz/Albedo pretty easily.

oh k thanks

[magic oriole]

Just wondering... Do you look at the successful comps in the game before coming here?

[pale kettle]

Somebody please help me !!! Please

@pale kettle @magic oriole

[pale kettle]

Lol I don't think you want my advice, I barely have any clue what I'm doing.

[magic oriole]

Oh no... Ok look sorry to ruin it for you, but ainz is mediocre without his +30 and especially albedo and her +30... I've had that problem for a while, so I recommend using eironn comp until you build ainz a bit. Here eironn could work, but daimon might be better

[pale kettle]

Oh wait really.....? My ains and albedo are both +20 😦

In working on daimon

They carried me to 27-38 but guess I should focus on that lol

[magic oriole]

I mean he just doesn't do damage in comparison to eironn comp

[pale kettle]

Ah great lol

What is eironn comp, that you are mentioning?

I wasted so many resources building a bunch of different comps and never fully built one.

[magic oriole]

There are a few, but the pvp version that works great for pve as well is Tasi, Rowan, Lyca, Eironn, Ferael in that order

Rowan should be +30, and so should Ferael and possibly eironn if you can, but first lyca should be +20

[pale kettle]

I'm not too worried about my pvp, I'm using Alb, Ainz, Talen, Rowan, Tasi and I can easily stay in top 10.

I'm sure if I knew what I was doing more I would be much higher on my server.

[magic oriole]

Yeah pretty strong team, just get that ainz +30 and you'll 1 shot everyone

[pale kettle]

Yes! Just got first by a good bit on my server.

[magic oriole]

Oh when it comes to that event I like people are keeping their formations secret lol

[pale kettle]

Oh really? That's why I've been struggling so much on finding a good comp.

I have no clue what I'm doing so I've been rolling the dice. Somehow got #1 on my server lol

@pale kettle nice xd ❤️

@magic oriole What is eironn comp, that you are mentioning?

[magic oriole]

^

[pale kettle]

Yes, I try some comps

in what order?
Tasi,

Rowan,
Lyca,
Eironn
Ferael

[magic oriole]

... they go 1, 2, 3, 4, 5... So in that format
Lyca

Tasi
Eironn
Rowan
Ferael

[digital skiff]

+30 ainz before rowan bedo

[pale kettle]

Ok?

[digital skiff]

You get special stats at 5,15 and 25. Like haste life leach and things

[magic oriole]

you should get Rowan to +30

[digital skiff]

Nah but did you try rowan front row and ainz bedo behind?

Because Silvina will one shot rowan and bedo gets one shot front line

[pale kettle]

It leaves me with a 3/4 health niru left, so close

[magic oriole]

Try switching talene for someone else... I doubt she is doing much in that position or switch positions of talene and joker

[pale kettle]

I am sure with rng it will work

[digital skiff]

Best bet is if you get really close to the win, keep trying till rng gets it

[celest lichen]

Having a hard time beating this stage

[digital skiff]

Just try eironn burst mumbo jumbo for ferael teams, ainz won't do much

[digital skiff]

Cheese it

[celest lichen]

what heroes should i put where? im new to cheese

[magic oriole]

People that will die and get everyone close to thoran

[pale kettle]

Frels impossible :C

[magic oriole]

If daimon isn't tanking don't make him tank
Try cecilia opposite to sav instead of tasi maybe (so switch oden and tasi and try cecilia)

[magic oriole]

But the answer is it's a lot of guess and check and seeing what other people did that worked

[pale kettle]

Cecilia just gets one tapped by sav :C

[regal ingot]

Total noob here, just started a few days ago and looking for some advice on things. I’ve read a couple guides and they say for past level 100 to use some rare units instead of epic units (like Hogan instead of Seirus). I assume this is because of the level caps?
I’m in chapter 8 and hitting level caps for elite at 100 for my carry (Saurus).

I have some elite+ already for the 4 skills champs — seirus,shemira,Satrana,thoran,oden. Should I invest in them? Or is it better to switch to the 3 skill units because they can get their level caps/ascended easier?

[digital skiff]

Do you have lorsan

[magic oriole]

Well saurus is a bad carry. You want either insane survivability or aoe (daimon, shemi, Belinda, Gwyn, Ainz, etc)

[digital skiff]

Yes since we have two categories "legendary" and "ascended". The heroes in "legendary" category cone in rare rarities and can only go upto legendary+ in rarity which is lvl 160. Ascend heroes come in elite minimum and can go upto ascended rarity and that's level 240+. But the cache is you get a lot more legendary category heroes then the ascended ones

[celest lichen]

nope

i got past the stage tho

[digital skiff]

Gratz, but cheese without lorsan is hard, you should get him asap

[celest lichen]

ok

[regal ingot]

So basically use a good “legendary” team with 3 skills until I can make a team of ascend 4 skill dudes?

[digital skiff]

Something like that. What I mean there is that since legendary (3skills) category heroes are so common to get, you can ascend them to legendary+ tier and get a 160 team rather then the hard to get ascended category heroes. You need to get 5 3skill heroes legendary+ tier and level them up. Then put others in the "resonating crystal" where they'll get the same lvl as your leveled ones for free. So since ascended heroes are rare to get and you'll get capped at 120/140/160, it's better to get 3skill ones to legendary+ for leveling them up and using other heroes without worrying about cap via resonating crystal

If that makes any sense

And some 3 skill heroes are super good too like mirael saveas

[magic oriole]

Arden lol

[regal ingot]

Does the level cap apply on the resonating crystal? Like can I have 5 lvl 160 Legendary+ dudes and toss shemira at elite+ into the crystal and she’ll be lvl 160? Or 120

[magic oriole]

She'll be 160, but legendary tier heroes can't go over 160

[digital skiff]

Theres hard cap and soft cap. Basic tiers like elite elite+ legendary legendary+ caps are soft caps and crystal doesn't care about that and you can have a lvl 240 elite hero with the help of the crystal if your mains at 240 BUT the hardcap is the tiers like 3skills and 4 skills. 3 skills one will not go past 160 even if your teams at lvl 600

[regal ingot]

Ooooo okay I get it, thanks that’s suuuuper useful info!

[digital skiff]

Cmon don't mention this old sucka, he's already giving me a hard time in campaign as it is

[earnest rivet]

Hey guys! My friend has a bunch of E - E+ heroes but he doesn’t know which to use. Here’s a list of all his heroes. If someone could come up with a lineup for him that would be great! (He’s on 3-19)

[lament hound]

Heyo! I want to ascend lorsan but I dunno which character to sacrifice other than the obvious one

[regal ingot]

So for legendary units I have already at elite+, there’s hogan Rosalind niru Angelo mirael ira — for a starting team would it be good to use them?

I’m guessing it’s best to have one of each faction for your first team to get to legendary+ fastest? Then like two lightbringer or something for 5th slot?

[magic oriole]

Generally don't sacrifice ascended tier heroes, especially not for lorsan. He's good at lower ascension

[lament hound]

Ohhhh alrighty

[digital skiff]

Lorsans fine at e+ for untill like ch 35

[digital skiff]

A good team would be mirael hogan arden and 2 anything

[magic oriole]

Cecilia, Brutus, rosaline, mirael, estrilda, skreg should all work at that level. From all of those heroes on the list only rosaline izold and skreg are really top tier, and cecilia is almost up with them (top tier for late game, as in do not sacrifice them)

[digital skiff]

Niru ogi mirael angelo hogan are his priorities for ascension. As for levels, tell him to lvl wukong to 100 first

[regal ingot]

Thanks!

[earnest rivet]

Alrighty thanks

[magic oriole]

A hyperbole, but he's not someone to prioritize ascending

[digital skiff]

And of course, everything goes into mirael and you lvl her up until the game says to lvl others up

[digital skiff]

Wait where's his monke

[magic oriole]

Lol

[earnest rivet]

I’m helping him get monke

[regal ingot]

Until she’s 160 you mean?

[magic oriole]

Yes

[digital skiff]

Yes

[magic oriole]

He should already have him from events and stuff

[digital skiff]

And a quick tip, don't upgrade gear unless it's mythic and don't get a mythic gear past 3* unless it's factioned

[digital skiff]

Just show him the share button and he gets a free monke

[regal ingot]

What color is mythic? I think I’ve only seen like 2 legendary and those are orange and then mostly blue or elite/purple

[magic oriole]

I'd argue that leveling legendary gear is necessary for progression at some point even if it's a waste of gold

[earnest rivet]

He legit just started out so idk.

[magic oriole]

Red

[digital skiff]

Gear goes elite/+ purple, golden at legendary/+ and red at mythic

You could get legendary gear up tho but I'd rather say atleast get it the bare minimum like 2* or smthn

[regal ingot]

Around what chapter should I be switching to the ascended heroes? I’m struggling to see why you would use the legendary heroes when you can just level 5 to 160 and then stick some ascended heroes on resonating crystal — wouldn’t those ascended always perform better?

[regal ingot]

Until you can lvl the ascended ones past 160 naturally, but even before then wouldn’t it make more sense to lvl any rando legendary 5 champs but never use them and then use ascended ones from resonating crystal?

[digital skiff]

Should be closer to 16 because thats where lvl 160 falls off

[livid lion]

can i please get a line up for campaign

[digital skiff]

You make l+ 3skill food heroes while saving onto copies of ascended tier heroes at elite+, doing so doesn't make you lvl capped and gives better options later on

[digital skiff]

Don't make any legendary heroes and I'd get shemira to mythic using niru as food then use the mythic ainz but that's a waste. Better gey mirael to 160 asap

[regal ingot]

I get the resource usage part and lvl cap, but I mean when doing campaign if I have 5 lvl 140 legendaries, and 5 ascended lvl 140 from resonating crystal, wouldn’t I always use the ascended ones?

In actual battles

[livid lion]

that was my plan but idk why everyone is saying that i need to get mirael to 160

[digital skiff]

Earlier, some ascended ones just aren't the best, while 3skill ones like mirael and arden outperform them. "Early on tho"