lineup-help

[clear lark]

so who should i replace saurus with

[maiden marsh]

nara can fit in well often though

[maiden marsh]

brutus instead of saurus most likely, he works well with daimon

[clear lark]

ohh ok

[proud otter]

I'm wondering if I should go L+ Ferael (have 4 copies) or wait for A Daimon (have 6 copies).
I'm not sure if Daimon would be that useful yet. But I have been using E+ Ferael sometimes.

[clear lark]

so i don’t need to worry about faction boosts? i think i’ve been worrying about it too much

[maiden marsh]

not at all

[clear lark]

ohh ok tysm for the help

[maiden marsh]

you don't have a good carry atm so daimon to M should be your priority so you can +20 his SI

[proud otter]

Ooh okay

[clear lark]

soo is daimon, brutus, eironn, tasi, nara good
or should i switch out nara or tasi with talene or rowan

[maiden marsh]

make sure to put daimon backline usually. also, what's your rowan at?

[clear lark]

elite+

[maiden marsh]

on the one hand, get him up asap. he might still be helpful but not as good as he is at M. anyways, a good team for daimon is tasi, rowan, daimon, ferael, lyca. try subbing brutus in for rowan in this case

[clear lark]

thank you so much

so rowan in fromt?

[maiden marsh]

you'll want good gear on rowan to comfortably frontline him as a dodge tank. he can tank okayish before that since he has his immune passive and doesn't really care if he dies anyways

[clear lark]

so daimon is front or back in that team

[maiden marsh]

daimon default goes backline. he's too squishy for frontline most of the time

[clear lark]

who else is frontline

[maiden marsh]

brutus

[clear lark]

so brutus rowan daimon ferael tasi if i get rowan legendary?

[maiden marsh]

the team changes a bit depending on stage. sometimes brutus, sometimes lyca. you'll need some decent boots/weapon on rowan to let him frontline if he can. don't promote him to L if you don't have the copies for mythic

[clear lark]

wait so lyca front?

[maiden marsh]

no, just in general. the frontliners are going to be brutus, rowan, and tasi 99% of the time, with good gear that is.

[clear lark]

ohh tasi

thank you so much i could’ve messed up so much if u didn’t help

[signal topaz]

What do I do idek who is good

[maiden marsh]

read beginner guide pinned in #classic-questions

[signal topaz]

J tell me who my best heroes are

[bright slate]

Yo, Truth my man! Can you help me with this stage?

[maiden marsh]

just read the pins. if you refuse to, use the top row I guess

[maiden marsh]

show your whole roster

[maiden marsh]

try tasi brutus fera rowan ainz

[bright slate]

Ok.

[bright slate]

I tried your lineup, but it didn't work, but... I rearranged the position of Ainz and it worked wonders! Thank you!

[maiden marsh]

nice

[woven horizon]

anyone mind helping me choose a lineup for this level?

[pale kettle]

Help

[sour pond]

help pls

[summer cedar]

When asking for lineup help show a screenshot of your hero pool

[summer cedar]

id probably gwyn this with brutus thoran tanking. alternatively, u have twins and ezizh so u might be able to lock them out instead

[sour pond]

ty. yea i tried gwyn not working
i guess i need izold as additional carry xd

[proper orchid]

No way I pass this without a mercenary. Who do I rent?

[proper orchid]

You will not regret investing in izold

[coarse valve]

Currently stuck on 29-60, any advice?

i usually do arthur and rowan frontline, with ains, albedo and 1 hotswap for backline for most stages

but im currently snagged here. ive tried eiron, tasi, and fawks in the float, and a couple other suggested comps but im not making much progress

best luck i had was with fawks, natually brutus teamkills

[proper orchid]

Raine ult maybe...

[coarse valve]

ill give her a go now

nah she either gets 1hko from tiki summon or ainz gets taunted and team wipes on athalia ult

[mortal mural]

Should I pick Mira or hogan as my lb focus for fodder? I seem to pull more hogan, but it seems Mira is more useful. With a L+ Damian and no other elite base units close to L+, I may need a tank to help with scenerio and was thinking maybe savaes, but maybe I should pick someone else?

[warped geyser]

Do you not have any other tanks in your roster?

[mortal mural]

An E Lucius

[pale kettle]

Those are all I’ve got? What else you wanna see some lvl 1?

[summer cedar]

yes. if u have better options that u can throw in crystal it's worth knowing.

[remote umbra]

Mostly just asking who I should focus/what lineup I should try and run atm

[simple breach]

Been focusing on Shemira. How should I build my team around her with what I've got?

[summer cedar]

brutus shem tasi rowan lyca maybe
also u can revert that L brutus

[simple breach]

@summer cedar thanks. How do I revert the L Brutus. I thought I was permanent mistake I made. I'll happily pay to do it. Still fairly new to the game.

[summer cedar]

it's in rickety cart

[snow arch]

This might be a lot to ask, but its been awhile and just came back. I was wondering based on my heroes and roster, if there are any heroes I should be targeting, and what some good formations would be for Arena of Heroes and Legend's Challenger Tournament.

Also, anyone I should make sure to level gear or SI for.

[simple breach]

@summer cedar awesome thanks. I don't think that option was available before

[summer cedar]

u prolly want to work on

• gwyn estrilda
• tidus safiya
• pippa gorvo
• nara
  also, u can get more responses in #classic-questions
  in terms of arena defense, I'd run eironn
  3 teams is a tougher call tho. id suggest eironn, daimon, and ainz teams, but ur lacking some SI that would make it much better

[snow arch]

Thanks @summer cedar Posted over there. Thanks for the advice.

[ebon hazel]

All beaten have been 5pull or involved people I have no investment in.

[rare jewel]

stuck on 29-46 any help?

[karmic mortar]

Help?

[pale kettle]

I can beat this right?

[ebon hazel]

Rosa
Tasi
Saveas
Belinda
Lyca

[proven magnet]

Stuck on labyrinth with Silas constantly healing everything lol. Any help?

[pale kettle]

Gonna be honest, I don't see what the hype behind saveas is, whenever I try to use him he gets insta killed every time, especially if there's an enemy saveas

[ebon hazel]

He's the best base attacker, much like gwen but locked to L+

[pale kettle]

Well anywho that lineup doesn't work either rip

This lineup nearly times out but doesn't have enough dps

any tips? ainz can only get 1 ult off since albedo gets oneshot

[maiden marsh]

swap belinda and rowan, then replace belinda with brutus

[pale kettle]

does one of the enemies have some sort of damage reflection? ainz seems to lose all his hp right after ulting

[olive folio]

solise

[pale kettle]

hmmm i think i'm gonna request reinforcements for this stage. any ideas on what i should request? i think i'll keep nara to disrupt zaph/brutus to tank athalia so i figure i should probably request a better rowan? (mine is only M+30) or maybe a better albedo?

or maybe i should be using daimon instead of ainz because of solise's damage reflection?

[olive folio]

cant hurt to try

[pale kettle]

jk i think solise's damage reflection still destroys
how do i get around her instakilling my carry after they ult?

oh my god i finally beat it with:
rowan/talene/daimon/belinda/nara

[maiden marsh]

nice

[marsh nymph]

Pvp lineup suggestions? This is my current one atm (ik the first one is rlly bad, just threw in anyone)

[quaint bone]

Any way I can stop fawkes from grabbing daimon? Or any other ideas to clear?

[narrow lark]

Not sure what I'm doing wrong on this boss (everyone is maxed for ascension level currently)

[summer cedar]

u have 3 frontliners and only one support. need more support.
try luci brutus arden rowan saveas

[drowsy gazelle]

swap lucius and brutus. idk why are you making lucius take the 1shot kill spear

[narrow lark]

It didn’t work, whole party got wiped in a few seconds

but swapping Arden with Rosaline worked like a charm

[warm swan]

You can L that Arden. You can also L that Hogan. You can even L+ Silvina. Why are you not ascending?

[narrow lark]

I’ve only got two other E+ heroes, I don’t have nearly enough fodder to justify taking Arden to L

Why would I take Hogan to L when I have Rowan, Gwen, and Belinda?

[warm swan]

Why would you L Rowan? You can't L+ him. You're gonna get capped

[drowsy gazelle]

wait let me find the pic

[narrow lark]

That’s why I’m saving my fodder

[drowsy gazelle]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/798259532023201792/811631750718423150/image0.jpg

[narrow lark]

What’s the point of ascending a character I don’t use

[drowsy gazelle]

you SHOULD and ONLY ascend fodders, before lvl160

[pale kettle]

Best burning brute comp I got?

[warm swan]

So you'd be able to level beyond 160

[drowsy gazelle]

just check out the leaderboard and copy their comp

[pale kettle]

Missing mortas and that graveborn dude. I have no idea what they do, so I can't exactly figure out who to sub in

[warm swan]

@pale kettle ig just sub and mishmash some missing heroes from each comp

[pale kettle]

Badass, I'm a cost efficient player. Ty

[tepid holly]

I would swap eironn for nara and have him pull thane, estrilda & fawkes into Brutus if possible

[quaint bone]

Thanks for the reply,eironn pulling didn't seem to stop fawkes from grabbing daimon, but I put eironn's gear onto alna and her debuff seemed to stop fawkes from grabbing daimon like 50% of the time and I finally beat it.

[tepid holly]

Oh congrats, imo your hero pool’s rly good to push till 29 ez

[urban minnow]

Halp. Trial of God 36 relics

[quaint bone]

@tepid holly new struggle lol

[tepid holly]

Add me, I have access to Ainz comp but I dropped him 25/26-28. I think I used rly similar comps, except I run A lyca. So you’d prolly find doable teams to copy from replay

[quaint bone]

I don't think I'm going to push to chapter 29 until I get enough dust to break my crystal

[tepid holly]

You’re doing good, I was stuck at 25-54 or smth for a bit until i broke 240 dust wall

Are you f2p? Cause if not, I’d recommend low spend and hit store refreshes for 100 gems, 50-200 diamonds for bounty refresh into dust

[quaint bone]

Your friend list is full btw

[tepid holly]

I’ll make space

[maiden marsh]

Better not delete me

[tepid holly]

😂 shh don’t expose me

[quaint bone]

I'm spending a bit,I think I'm going to pay 25 for the extra dust from champions of esperia lol

[tepid holly]

If you’re super low spend, only do 50 gem refreshes on 2x bounties. I’d get 2-5k dust a day on the events 😂

[drowsy gazelle]

@maiden marsh @tepid holly you 2 are friend? sounds suspicious. how is csu at chap29 while youre at chap30

[maiden marsh]

Ye

[empty ibex]

You need more support heroes in there. Try this using Rowan instead of Kong and put him in backline mid. I suggest you change Kong for someone else too, maybe Tasi or Daimon since Kong starts to drop as soon as he gets to lv 100 and it's just better to go with something else

[drowsy gazelle]

you abandon your friend

[tepid holly]

I didn’t buy COE, imo wasn’t worth it. You could opt for monthly subscription or buy a week or two and abuse 2x refreshes for dust

[maiden marsh]

abandon?

[tepid holly]

He’s slightly sweatier than me :p

[drowsy gazelle]

u left csu in chap29

[maiden marsh]

He's just another member of the daimon cult sweating their way to chapter 31

[tepid holly]

Nah, i stopped playing AFK seriously for dec/jan and played other games. I came back and he was 3 chapters ahead of me, had to tryhard for two weeks to be 1 chapter behind him

[drowsy gazelle]

lol. i was stuck here for a long time

[narrow lark]

I got past that level but thank you

[tepid holly]

Daimon is

[drowsy gazelle]

this goddamn 2021 is harsh

[maiden marsh]

What can I say, I'm built different

[drowsy gazelle]

nah, youre just someone who refuses to see my ambition. you just cant copy my comp

[tepid holly]

cough u mean

[quaint bone]

Sent you a friend request

[maiden marsh]

If you mean thoran cheese yes that did help a few times

[drowsy gazelle]

who?

[drowsy gazelle]

garbage, thoran cheese

[empty ibex]

Good! I also suggest you try to change Lucius with something else until you get him to E+ or higher if you have the copies (don't ascend him or any A tier hero to L+ without having a lot of spare copies first). Rogan should do the trick.

And listen to Q 20-21, i made the same mistake of not ascending and leveling fodder heroes first for my pentagram, recovering from it slowly but surely.

[maiden marsh]

Trash goblin comps

[tepid holly]

Alright, u SHOULD be able to use most of the comps I had (exception of lyca) but if you have 5P chicken eironn, probs better xd

[drowsy gazelle]

pff, atleast better than no-brainer cheese

[maiden marsh]

debatable

[tepid holly]

nah it's a joke, Tru7h only cheesed very rarely. He's annoyingly big brained on hero choice pull priorities

[quaint bone]

Still waiting on furniture for both eironn and skriath

[drowsy gazelle]

he has cheesed, meaning he failed. so far i have never cheesed

[tepid holly]

I made monumental mistakes on furns, I have a TON of 2/9's

[drowsy gazelle]

i would try to not cheese until atleast i hit multis

[quaint bone]

Well I accidentally got 4 daimon furniture,that or getting 3 rowan furniture have been my mistakes so far I guess lol

[tepid holly]

It's a feature of the game, I haven't cheesed but that's only cause I don't have fodder for thoran. Imo, I think flexing on afk's by level deficits

[drowsy gazelle]

its just fun for me cause i dont like the idea of cheesing. and even though @maiden marsh cheesed, he still finished chap29 at higher lvl compared to me

[tepid holly]

Yeah, that's fair. It's just some people can't sleep unless they push a chapter every week or two cough

[tepid holly]

Wait, is 20-21 ur alt?

[maiden marsh]

He's memeing

[drowsy gazelle]

nah

[tepid holly]

[quaint bone]

Not even sure how to check winning formations on the current stages,just tower floors and stages I haven't reached yet lol

[drowsy gazelle]

you can only check boss stage

[maiden marsh]

Stupid but that's how it works

[tepid holly]

Usually if you're stuck and it's non-boss, you can check boss stages near that stage to get a rough idea of what they used. Not always accurate, but it's the last resort when you're tired of dying 10000x times xd

[drowsy gazelle]

thats not the case for me anyway. my hero are based on stage to stage. and also reason why truth cant copy my comp

because its just ridiculous

[maiden marsh]

I can't copy comp because trashgoblin triple carry daimon frontline shit being the norm

[drowsy gazelle]

what, it works

[maiden marsh]

[tepid holly]

LOL

I want to push, but someone tried to roast me for my deficits. So I opted not to level for the entire chapter

[drowsy gazelle]

whats your level?

[tepid holly]

263

[maiden marsh]

U can level and still be lower than us actually. We beat it 270+

[drowsy gazelle]

thats really low, why would you stop leveling lol

[tepid holly]

my deficit's 103 atm

[narrow lark]

My issue with that is a lack of units, I’m not getting summoning materials as quickly as I did the first go round

[drowsy gazelle]

and who cares if you are clearing it at higher level

[tepid holly]

hmm, gimme a challenge - what level should i cap to for 29

[summer cedar]

250 or bust 😤

[drowsy gazelle]

lowest that i saw is 266. but thats when they have maxed everything

+30 all hero and 4-5*

[maiden marsh]

Yeah level can go a lot lower when you're a whale with maxed furn/sig

[tepid holly]

well, it was that or the fact that I'm spending gold till 0 to buy dust lmao

[drowsy gazelle]

personally i think lvl269-272 is the norm for chap29

[maiden marsh]

I wouldn't call that norm, that's hard pushing

[tepid holly]

yikesss, bob isn't impressed

[summer cedar]

nah but fr you're doing well if ur lvl is below 10x ur chapter and ur doing really well if below 9x. that's roughly how I see it, altho after 32/33 this no longer applies

[tepid holly]

that's the gold standard of any non whale who loves the game, average players would be running shem/belinda lucius rowan with lv 300+'s

[drowsy gazelle]

did you clear chap29 with that? seems impossible since the nerf hasnt happened yet

[summer cedar]

no. I was stupid at ch29. im an oldhead shem was meta back then

[tepid holly]

You can't really account for @summer cedar too, note that when @maiden marsh and I hit 28/29, we had access to dim comp and daimons into eironn comp

[drowsy gazelle]

[tepid holly]

I don't really use ainz comp as I didn't whale and buy dim gear, so it's a slow process that will mainly reward me when I hit multi's vs just using hard cc eironns with daimon filler for huge dps

[summer cedar]

nah but it'd be funny if u did at 265 just to beat the record (according to Q at least)

[maiden marsh]

Dim gear isn't the important part for ainz comp, 9/9 ainzbedo 30 and arthur is

[summer cedar]

also powercap is lower now. I would not have even been allowed to start the stage at your deficits back then

[tepid holly]

We'll It's not an easy assessment considering we have to factor for si, furn & gear investments and access to what comp

[drowsy gazelle]

thats highly impossible since the comp i saw is 5 +30, and 4-5* atleast

[summer cedar]

levels is the easiest way to brag (or get shit on). don't gotta mention the other details

[tepid holly]

gear + investment basically, you'd have higher level powers and easier access to investing in non-dims vs dims in the meantime

[maiden marsh]

Having factional gear is not even comparably as important as the right furn, SI, and team is

[tepid holly]

basically this guy roasted me for having lv 95 deficits in 27 when he had lv 100 deficits in 25, not a fair assessment when I had beat 25 with over lv 100 but didn't bother asking me

[summer cedar]

🤷 you do you. i was pushing a pretty shit deficit till I finished daimon

[drowsy gazelle]

i mean who cares. earlier chapter is much easier

[maiden marsh]

100 deficits in 25 is whale territory, roast him for being a whale lmao

[tepid holly]

That's the prob, I have ainz 9/9 Si 30 last week, but my albedo 3/9 and arthur are only +20

[drowsy gazelle]

no, more like, chap27 has shits like mehira athalia and ezizh

[maiden marsh]

Hate those guys

[drowsy gazelle]

chap25? a fucking measly ezizh at last stage

[tepid holly]

lelmaooo imo 27 to esp ch 28-40+ had really annoying non boss stages

[tepid holly]

meanwhile stage 1 of 29 had ezizh as a free bday gift

[drowsy gazelle]

you gotta love chap30. so far i have seen 3-4 ezizh and 1-2 mehira and 1-2 athalia from 30-1 to 30-33. currently on 30-34 that has ezizh nara

[maiden marsh]

If you think you've seen annoying non boss stages hoo boy

[tepid holly]

heh, still got 3 more chickens to pair with urs bud and 1 mythic furn

[empty ibex]

That happens to all of us, keep waiting and soon you'll have enough fodder

[drowsy gazelle]

chap30 isnt fun. truth hasnt seen what i saw yet. so, hes still a pleb

[summer cedar]

if it helps u feel better about yourself, I was only pushing 73 deficit on the only pic I saved of ch29
now I'm at 186 on KT. so there's room to grow too

[maiden marsh]

I saw the rowan. That's enough for me

[queen lodge]

Who should i focus, please? Also line-up

[drowsy gazelle]

read the pins in #classic-questions. and just a piece of advice, just level wukong to lvl100. he can solo carry early game

[tepid holly]

really need to find that kid who fake flexed 25 with 100 deficits for whaling an unfair comparison

[drowsy gazelle]

who tf is that kid, ima go bash the shit outta him

[tepid holly]

can't rememer his IGN, he was irrelevant

[drowsy gazelle]

well anyway, it doesnt matter because chap25 cant be compared to chap27

[tepid holly]

But thanks to him, I intentionally not levelled for the entire of 28 just to clapback

[drowsy gazelle]

chap25/26 is an extremely easy chapter to say the least. compared to 27,28

30 is a hellhole atm

[tepid holly]

test

[maiden marsh]

Then 29 and 30 come along to ruin your day yeah

[drowsy gazelle]

29 doesnt really ruin my day tho. i cleared it with relative ease

[maiden marsh]

29-60 sucked at least for normal people

[tepid holly]

okay, serious question. To hoard or not to hoard

[drowsy gazelle]

hoard what

[maiden marsh]

Just level

[tepid holly]

aite fine, till 270 for ch 29?

[drowsy gazelle]

ye, you might be able to clear it lower who knows. you have better team than me

[olive folio]

Q known only to me as the master of the goblin comps is anything but a normal person

[drowsy gazelle]

[tepid holly]

Bet, also how much dust should I prepare for 300 later on

[maiden marsh]

Idk, a lot lmao

[drowsy gazelle]

i do the impossible
#545929173471068170 .ascension calc or something

[quaint bone]

How do you even gauge level deficit in chapter 25,is it just based off of the level if your carry,or the average of the 5 on the crystal?

[drowsy gazelle]

some calculated it by subtracting the highest level they have, some subtract their crystal level

[summer cedar]

oh wow. u right. watch that fucker use his lvl 200 supports instead of 240 carry to claim it's a 100 lvl deficit

[maiden marsh]

I just use carry but it doesn't really matter tbh

[drowsy gazelle]

huh? where did u see it? wtf?

[olive folio]

i do a range from carry deficit to crystal deficit

[narrow lark]

Vedan on 10-20 is an ahole -_-

[tepid holly]

I’d just do top 5 divided

[tepid holly]

SON OF A, that makes more sense

[drowsy gazelle]

wait, where did u find it? bob?

[narrow lark]

Who can I use to keep Vedan from one shotting the whole team

[crisp ermine]

Can someone help me make the best lineup w the units I have? I’m on chapter 12 ty!

[drowsy gazelle]

either burst him down or cc him. vedan is really hard to deal with early game. or you can put wukong in so that vedan ult is spread out of wukong clone

[narrow lark]

I’ll try Wukong, honestly why is enemy Vedan so much stronger than my Vedan

[bitter cloak]

Any tips for this one ?

[summer cedar]

could just swap arden and rowan for starters. if that fails, flip formation

[narrow lark]

I tried that, I try all placements first. Vedan was just being an a hole about not getting killed. Wukong worked though.

[marsh nymph]

Ainz
>Brutus
Rowan
>Lucius
Eironn/or Gwyn(eye)

maybe

[vivid trellis]

What would you suggest lineup wise? Was trying to make a light bearer team but rowan hates me so not sure what other two spots should be.

Day 6 of game as a new player and I am on chapter 11-16

[fallen yoke]

Hi! Help please. Am stuck at 9-20 for days

[drowsy gazelle]

take out hendrik, put brutus

[fallen yoke]

I’ll try

@drowsy gazelle not even close. They have 5 alive

[drowsy gazelle]

shemira

brutus
rowan
lucius/talene
daimon

why is brutus backline

[fallen yoke]

I was trying out with talene

Talene and lucius

[drowsy gazelle]

what is killing your team

[fallen yoke]

Literally everything to be honest

[drowsy gazelle]

you might need levels then, or there is better formation. but im not too sure about that

[fallen yoke]

Pretty much hard stuck for days. Can’t ascend Any units other than daimon to legendary (using mystic-non food)

Can’t level up anyone too

[brave oriole]

Not about ascending, it's about lvls. Talene would be fine any lvl, so you better reset to 100,and put the exp on shemira @fallen yoke

[fallen yoke]

No point tbh, as I lack the purple powder to do so

[brave oriole]

Well, you will get some back from 101 talene

And dust, you should buy with gold from the shop, and push some towers for gold if you need

So, daimon doesn't help with anything, shemira should be Frontline, and rosaline back of shemira. Try
Lyca
Brutus
Rowan
Shemira
Rosaline

[fallen yoke]

Thank you. I’ll tried and it’s depressing lol

[brave oriole]

Use the heroes I've told you

If anything, you can replace Brutus with talene, if rlly need heals on start

Tasi it's not lyca, gwyneth it's not rosaline, the heroes you use makes a huge diff

[fallen yoke]

Oh my bad. I’ll try again

I guess I’ll need to be stuck for a few more days

[brave oriole]

Swap Rosa and rowan

And then show me shemira gear

[brave oriole]

Well, try to enchant shemira gear,

+3 or so, if you can

[fallen yoke]

Ok

I think I’m done. I give up man, what a wall

[brave oriole]

@fallen yoke you can require mercenary?

[fallen yoke]

What do you mean? I’m not sure

[brave oriole]

There's an feature, on friends tab, to ask for a merc. You can use it once in a week

But the merc it's perm for lab guild hunting etc, just once for campaign and towers

[fallen yoke]

Ohh I can only use it for one stage?

[brave oriole]

Yeah

[fallen yoke]

What do you suggest?

[brave oriole]

But let me think which would be the best, I guess that a rowan or Saurus +30

Add this ID in your friend list 30157225 , it's one alt of mine, have Saurus and rowan+30 available etc

[fallen yoke]

Thank you so much

[brave oriole]

Saurus will help you a lot on peaks, towers guild hunting etc

And when you need use rowan or so, but take both

[fallen yoke]

Added! So I should pick saurus and rowan

[brave oriole]

Yeah, mines, Wich are +30

[fallen yoke]

Thank you. So I’ll use rowan for my pve and saurus for guild battles ,peak etc

[brave oriole]

Yeah, that's good

Now rowan should tank easy, front of shemira

You will pass anyway

[fallen yoke]

Ok let’s try

Haha despite having your good units. I failed

[brave oriole]

Try Saurus

[fallen yoke]

I managed to clear with this. Thank you so much for your time and effort man

[brave oriole]

Np, enjoy. Now clear some peaks of time with Saurus

Once shem hits 140,lvl Lucius to 120

[fallen yoke]

That Lucius ain’t mine. It’s borrowed from some event 😦

@brave oriole and I can’t clear peaks of time as my main hero’s are dead

[brave oriole]

What do you mean? Restart it

[quaint kiln]

Help pls

My heroes

[brave oriole]

@quaint kiln I dunno what to say, try Brutus front of daimon
Then fix the rest. Maybe you don't need talene, try to see if tasi can hold up front up

[quaint kiln]

Oh that worked.Thanks

[brave oriole]

Brutus debuff helps daimon a lot

[urban minnow]

Last battle trails

[brave oriole]

I dont know man, @urban minnow try to replace tasi with nara and pull safiya., or maybe you have athalia?

[urban minnow]

I have all. Athalia is m

[brave oriole]

See if it helps ccing safiya

[urban minnow]

Nara is m and saf is a 1*

Ooo okay

[brave oriole]

Try to cc safiya enemy, with athalia or nara

[fallen yoke]

Got it. Thank you

[brave oriole]

@fallen yoke np

[marsh flicker]

вы все мыши

[pale monolith]

Please use English, if you want the Russian chat go to #select-language

[charred root]

Help w this please?

[brave oriole]

@charred root I dunno, but maybe tidus vs ezizh would work?

[charred root]

I literally JUST GOT THAT LMAO, like just now

[brave oriole]

🤓

[brave oriole]

Happens, telepathy 😢

[fallow ruin]

What's some good teams to build around Shemira?

[charred root]

None

[brave oriole]

Well, rowan rosaline Lucius fawkes lyca

Deppends of your progression, and lvls

[fallow ruin]

I'll post up my roster

[charred root]

Daimon is easily the #1 carry in game

[brave oriole]

Nah, bcs you need a Frontline, he is later but with a strong team

While shemira can tank, heal etc

[charred root]

dang, build thatt ferael wtf, he's so nice even thought he does little damage. and this goes in #classic-questions

[brave oriole]

Well, not rlly, he's asking for a lineup I guess

[charred root]

Lineup is more against a specific stage Im assuming

[brave oriole]

Everything its a question 😢

Well, @fallow ruin post your stage lineup 🤓

[fallow ruin]

Atm is this.

[charred root]

talene front row

[fallow ruin]

Thanks, that actually helped haha

[brave oriole]

Well, i guess that
Lyca
Talene
Rosaline
Shemira
Rowan
Should work, if not rlly, maybe you need to replace talene with Brutus to hold longer Isa dmg

Rowan like this to get faster energy on shem

[fallow ruin]

Yeah I might take Lyca to M now. Just seen I have the fodder

[brave oriole]

Not yet

[fallow ruin]

Whys that?

[brave oriole]

I would ascend eironn. First

Lyca won't make a huge diff, the haste will be there still, nvm the ascension

[charred root]

^^^ Shemira falls off really hard

[brave oriole]

Honestly, she does, but that's much later

[fallow ruin]

I'm aware but I had 13 copies of her to 2 copies of daimon

[brave oriole]

He can still get easy at chap 27/30 with shemira, meanwhile he will build eironn safiya tasi rowan lyca I guess

Just remove shem from wishlist, and go for something else, daimon ferael ghez Silas and izold maybe

[charred root]

also Rowan is SI priority #1 and build a saurus too

[fallow ruin]

Yeah I'm 1 copy away from an M Rowan and uve saved mates to +30 his SI

[brave oriole]

Man, honestly, my lower alt was just fine with +20 rowan si till chap 32, and I'm not stuck

Same about erionn, my alt it's chap 33 with +20 easy

You dont have ainz isn't?

[charred root]

I run daimon carry so that instant ult would help a lot, and I feel its important for shem because then she can start healing

[fallow ruin]

Nah, I came in later

[brave oriole]

Well, yeah, if there's no better choices, then rowan

[charred root]

Also, don't take shem past +10 SI, its gonna hurt

[brave oriole]

My fav+30,its still Saurus

[charred root]

Saurus will be my 3rd SI 30 after Daimon

[brave oriole]

Yeah, it's nice +30daimon

But on my main,Never went for

[fallow ruin]

Yeah I'm not taking her past 15

[brave oriole]

Should be okay, there's lots of stats coming from inn for shem, and the union

Most imp, is Rosa to follow shem and that is

[shy pagoda]

Just unlocked the twisted realm, who should I use for burning brute?

[wary cedar]

Possible to complete or do I gotta wait for dailies and stuff

[pale kettle]

New player, which heroes should I invest in?

[grand perch]

Hello @pale kettle,

Please check out the pinned messages/guides in the #classic-questions and #lineup-help channels. Make sure to also utilize the #545929173471068170 by typing .guidelist in the channel.

[wary cedar]

Nvm just had to put Lucius in

[devout idol]

Any idea for this stage?

[low bridge]

Can someone give some advice? Im just so stuck in CH14 all together.

[solid yacht]

Need help!

[pale kettle]

I need help I’m new what are my best hero’s

[marsh nymph]

anyone got any ideas? I feel merc ainz is my best bet but I still can't get through it.

[maiden marsh]

The team I used fwiw

@marsh nymph

[robust venture]

Im at 29 56

cant beat it tried diff comps

@maiden marsh

[robust venture]

Can someone help me with a good line up

[maiden marsh]

Also you need to post your roster for people to help

[robust venture]

can someone help im at 29 54

[brittle stone]

@solid yacht Try subbing thoran and silas for lyca and nara and play with your position (nara in 4) ferael is okey there make sure it delays ferael stun

[willow jetty]

Someone please help me with this stage!

[brittle stone]

At this point stop using hogan overall if underleveled immunity tanks like brutus or alna are much better even at Elite (focus on getting Brutus's last grasp to level 2) and upgrading daimon SI to +20 and you should push to ch16 easy

[worn pilot]

Any help please?

[rich storm]

tips? when i see a saveas i generally burst him down with eironn, same with khasos but here they are spread and even rifle guy melts me. Ferael is a weird pick i took recently as his cc and energy drain helped me last 10 battles a lot. Daimon is the real damage dealer here but eironn is nice cc, pull and extra dmg. Rowan tends to melt in less than 3 sec here. tips?

additional heroes i could put into crystal to help

[tired juniper]

Maybe do Tasi, Saurus, Daimon, Rowan, Eironn? Daimon back mid, Eironn bottom left, Daimon front bottom, Saurus front top, Tasi back top

[pale monolith]

Saveas

Talene
Rowan
Hogan
Eironn

[rich storm]

neither worked 😦 @pale monolith @tired juniper generally saveas dmg takes way too much time to power up and hogan while lasting more than rowan lower my dps so much i struggle to kill saveas 😦

[willow jetty]

anyone pls help me with this stage? im stuck here for a very long time now

[maiden marsh]

Try rowan brutus daimon ferael lyca

[willow jetty]

how to position them

[maiden marsh]

1-5 in that order, you can see the numbers on the ground when you have an empty field

[willow jetty]

it worked!

thank you very much

[maiden marsh]

👍

[drowsy locust]

Any help for me? Was using that modified Eironn team (because my Rowan is only at E) sometimes with a substitute for Talene, but now it doesn't work
And yes, I don't have dimensionals yet. I will have both, but just waiting for last lab to minimize challenger coins.
Will Joker help me? I am 1 rare fodder from making Belinda Mythic ( of course if not using Hogan right now )

[pale kettle]

What to use on Burning Brute?

[ruby crag]

Who should i be leveling up?

[tired juniper]

Use the resonating crystal for levels. You only need to level up 5 heroes at a time and the resonating crystal will do the rest for you.

[proven rock]

help been for 4 days already

[proud otter]

Been kinda struggling on my alt. Any suggestions?

[pale kettle]

I need some assistance. I have a ton of great heroes, I just need some help figuring out what is most useful together. Stuck in chapter 10

[primal wyvern]

If anyone could help that would be appreciated

[pale monolith]

JOKER

Brutus
Rowan
Thoran
Lyca/Numisu

[vocal kettle]

Hali-gali
Any suggestions? I didn't see any chance.

[primal wyvern]

That didn’t work well and I retired quite a bit

[pale kettle]

@vocal sluice can you help me?

[lime quiver]

Try with
Fawkes

Lucius
Lyca (eye)
rowan(chalice/call/grace)
Daimon(call/eye)

Or

Tasi (call)

Lucius
Lyca (eye)
Rowan (call/chalice/grace)
Daimon(call/eye)

[pale kettle]

Or anyone here wanna help me pls?

[gray rune]

Some tips? Estrilda's piercing arrows super strong, my team dies before Ainz can barely get a single ult off

[lime quiver]

Flora is pointless there, use either rowan middle or Tasi

[pale kettle]

Ok, ty

[lime quiver]

Have you swapped ainz with tasi?

[pale kettle]

That worked

[lime quiver]

You might want to place ferael/nara on tasi spot to prevent safiya doing safiya things @gray rune

[vapid field]

Help?

[lime quiver]

Either swap numisu with tasi or use nara against safiya

[gray rune]

Ferael specifically targets his accursed arrow to directly across? What can Safiya do that's problematic? Usually it's Mirael ult that really wipes me

[lime quiver]

Whenever I face safiya I like to disrupt her damage amplification vortex, or her ability that gives fireballs to an enemy can be annoying at some point, check this replays if what I said doesn't succeed

https://afkhelper.nax.is/campaign.php?chapter=25&stage=34

[haughty furnace]

Pls help

[gray rune]

Ok thanks I'll try that

[vapid field]

@lime quiver Did the trick. Ty!

[red fable]

I can very nearly get it but no matter how many times thoran dies to shemira right before he gets his last ult in

[gray rune]

Beat it, disrupting Safiya helped I think, thanks!

[proud edge]

I'm assuming Ainz is your main carry? Have you tried using Lucius? With Ainz comps your goal is to keep Ainz alive as long as possible to let him ult as much as possible

[red fable]

Actually thoran is my main carry currently

[proud edge]

Estrilda isnt helping you, Tasi or lyca will do better

[ornate lava]

K thabks

[proud edge]

Thoran isn't a carry. He can cheese stages with the right comp, but you don't have that comp.

[maiden marsh]

^

[red fable]

Well its worked for me so far

And idc who is and who isnt a carry I just want a working lineup

[maiden marsh]

In your comp ainz would be the carry, shem doesn't belong there.

[red fable]

I was just trying things out

This is what I'm currently using

[proud edge]

Lucius would be more helpful than thoran at your level, and Eironn should be swapped out for a lyca or rosa. Also, put rowan next to ainz so he ults faster

[red fable]

Ainz doesnt do enough damage the only way I can kill enemies is with thorans ult

[proud edge]

Ainz is your highest damage dealing unit. He can definitely do enough damage. Do you have your best gear on him?

[red fable]

Yes and he is si 27

He deals like 1/4 of enemy hp per ult

Thoran one shots

[proud edge]

Thoran is a far worse option

[red fable]

Not for me

And besides lucius dies instantly

[proud edge]

Ainz is factually a stronger carry than thoran. That's not an opinion, its a fact. Is grezhul hitting Ainz? that would cut his damage

[red fable]

Listen the enemies are twice as strong as me thoran is the only way I can kill them

Ainz just doesnt do enough damage

I realistically shouldnt be at this stage but because I've been lucky with thoran I've managed to cheese alot of stages

[proud edge]

Look, I'd really like to help you, but you need to actually be open to trying out the things I'm suggesting. The strategy behind them worked for me and a ton of other people who are way farther along in the game.

Seems to me like you don't want advice unless it fits into what you are already trying, which isn't working.

33 levels is not a big deficit at all, plenty of comps work at higher deficits. General rule of thumb is that if you have half the power rating of the enemy you should be able to beat them.

[red fable]

I'm just telling you that I've tried every thing you've said and it hasnt worked nothing with ainz works

[proven rock]

please help (2)

[drowsy locust]

Guys, maybe i can get some help?)
#lineup-help message

[proud edge]

How many times did you run it? This game isnt the kind of thing where you nail it first try once you get the comp right. Wait until later, some stages can take a couple hundred runs with the right comp to get the rng right

[stuck trellis]

who gets tainted by thoran?

if its isabella or arden then u could definetly cheese this stage, if its anybody else though you might ahve a tough timme

[proud edge]

@red fable here's two ainz comps at your level you can play with https://afkhelper.nax.is/campaign.php?chapter=20&stage=60

[proud edge]

Read the pins. Saveas or Mirael is your best carry sub 160, daimon over 160

[drowsy locust]

Saveas in 14 ch? Not using him from beginning of 12, cause he don't really does much anymore
and unfortunately I will not have Daimon any time soon (was pulling wilders scrolls)

[proud edge]

Yes, thats generally the best performing. Eironn is lacking damage and cc at your level

[drowsy locust]

What about Joker and Queen? Will they work at my lvl better? Just waiting last lab for exchange with minimum challenger coins loss

[proud edge]

I haven't used either much so I'm not sure. I think what I've heard is queen is meh and joker needs some cc setup

[ocean pawn]

any ideas?

[pale kettle]

What should I do

[unique marsh]

Should I change up my team?

[hollow monolith]

My team is getting killed pretty quickly, Ainz is last to die and ults right before dying about 50% of the time

[ocean pawn]

build daimon izold and silas

[young summit]

Help

[hollow monolith]

I haven’t gotten a copy of Daimon yet and my Silas is stuck at E right now

[cerulean cedar]

lyca or rowan in for mortas

[ocean pawn]

ouch. try and get them up there im breezing thru KT with ascended of each

[past oxide]

I got as many relics I could

[unique marsh]

Should I swap anyone out

[pale monolith]

Brutus, Wu Kong - Front row;
Safyia, Rowan, Eironn- Back row;

[haughty furnace]

Can someone pls help me I have been stuck for 3 days

[sweet badger]

Help

[summer cedar]

Brutus position 4. One of fawkes or tasi to get rid of one of the two

[summer cedar]

Lyca 5 rowan 4. Stop building L heros

[haughty furnace]

Ik I haven’t in like months but I can’t get those hero’s ever

[summer cedar]

Brutus luci shem Rowan tasi. Who does warek target?

[pale kettle]

What should me lineup b

[paper basin]

Help me pleasee. I am in desperate need of chapter 16

[glacial jasper]

I need some help

[proud edge]

Read the pins. Build mirael, make her your highest level.

[proud edge]

For what? Please be more specific if you're looking for lineup advice

[pale kettle]

Um like help making a team that is good I guess more so for pve content and pvp

[proud edge]

You're at the point where there isn't a one size fits all team, it depends on who you are facing

[empty ibex]

Saveas 2 shots everyone. Yeah, that's it.

At that point everyone else is just an extra, Saveas is the only one clearing lanes, and whoever is placed right in front of him no matter who dies in the first 10 seconds of the match, last one standing is usually Mirael. Any ideas?

[maiden marsh]

try either replacing talene with brutus, or putting nara across from saveas

[empty ibex]

Doing that would take a while, my crystal is full. But I'll try once I open a new spot for Brutus

[maiden marsh]

you'll want brutus on the crystal anyways

[empty ibex]

Possible comp? Eironn is just there for the pull, after he used the pull Saveas was defeated. The only one left alive was a somehow full hp Niru who ended up killing the last one standing which was Daimon

[maiden marsh]

Niru snowballs as enemies and allies are defeated, if he's the last standing his stats become very large

[empty ibex]

Almost there... Niru almost died but healed to half hp just before dying... I'll keep trying

I did it, thanks for the help @maiden marsh

[maiden marsh]

[pale kettle]

What should I use for Burning Brute?

[pale kettle]

Possible?

Nvm i beat it

[marsh nymph]

Anyone got pics for 383, 384, and 385? Much appreciated.

[ebon hazel]

Been stuck here all day, +arthur on the box

[coral oyster]

I just started

[pale kettle]

@coral oyster should ask that in #classic-questions unless it’s for a specific stage

[coral oyster]

@pale kettle ok thx

[gaunt umbra]

Can someone help me?

[pale kettle]

@gaunt umbra rowan is not yet a tank, so remove shemira and move him back. And place brutus in front

[gaunt umbra]

Ok thanks

[pale kettle]

Also read the pins in #classic-questions about upgrading to legendaries

[shut glacier]

Can Thoran cheese work here??? I tried about 50 times but the best was Mehira alive, all other enermies died. 1st stage cleared using Arthur Ainz Daimon, 3rd stage cleared using Eiron 5Pulls. Arthur-Gwyneth sucks here due to high level deficit at130lv. I cannot make it the 2nd one only

[empty ibex]

Put Daimon on front and Rowan mid backline. That way Rowan heals both heroes up front letting them live for longer and do more damage

Also, stop ascending A tier heroes to L without having enough copies to ascend them to L+

[warm swan]

Ran it with Nem, Eironn, Nara, Thoran, Lyca. Nem was a flex on my part iirc. @shut glacier

[shut glacier]

@warm swan yeah I used Nemora9/9 against Eiron too. I have to save Eiron for 3rd stage 5Pulls. Propably try again after my Tank Elder is lv35 tomorrow

1st stage is quite easy after retrying about 5-6 times. 3rd easy too.... But the 2nd one is a hell

[warm swan]

For whatever it's worth, here's my run on that one

[shut glacier]

Oh u use Thoran on the second one too hahaha but what would I do with 3rd stage??

[warm swan]

3rd one was just some random comp. Whoever was left on my pool. Lol

[shut glacier]

Oh ok I will try thx

[shut glacier]

I wish I had 30izold 😫 😫

[warm swan]

Lol, me too. But I don't think I'm gonna build him for a long time. That train has left already.

[shut glacier]

I have 9 copies of Izold and he is Mythic now. I have 300Red Emblems..... I think he pushes as hard as any endgame carries. I have his 3F Mythic Furniture too

[warm swan]

Nice

[shut glacier]

😋 👍 👍 👍 👍 thx a million!!!@warm swan

[shut glacier]

@warm swan when I moved Arthur to 3rd team z the 1 st team failed,😫.. when I move Arthur to 1st team, 3rd failed

[warm swan]

Use Brutus or something

[shut glacier]

I wanna go to sleep now . Propably I would stay around here for a bit.... Since I am not cashing in any money only VIP10 lacking about 900 to Vip11

Thx a lot anyway @warm swan 👍 😋

[snow raven]

Any suggestions here or will I just have to wait for higher levels? I can’t kill Niru and Vedan even if it’s 5v2. I have one open spot on crystal if there’s someone else I should try

[shut glacier]

@snow raven at that point , Saveas carries better. Try to use Saveas. Arden good crown control too.

[pale kettle]

Been stuck on 11-40 for awhile now. Any suggestions on what I should do? This team has carried me pretty well through multiple worlds and other game modes. Just now it’s not working so well. Need help.

[unique marsh]

What’s a good light bearer and wilder comp that I could work towards eventually?

[marsh nymph]

anyone with solutions? If possible floors 384 and 385 also

[marsh nymph]

tyvm, got it after a few retries

[maiden marsh]

384

[drowsy gazelle]

hey, ure misusing my identity

[maiden marsh]

I am Q. This man is an imposter. Vote him out. Q sus

[drowsy gazelle]

[mortal mural]

In my situation, what should I pick?

[maiden marsh]

Graveborn imo

[topaz shuttle]

I tried so many formations

[summer cedar]

GB 350 clears? I got a feeling I prolly have to merc izold new antandra trucks daimon

[toxic saddle]

How do I counter the girl that just dives my back line and one shots my people

Nvm talene carry, I always win it when I ask for helping even after doing it like 20 times

[brazen ice]

No idea wtf to do with my lineup

I was going for eironn carry but then izold just took the wheel after I couldn’t level eironn up anymore

[tepid holly]

joker

lucius
rowan
talene
daimon

[pale kettle]

What comp would you use and why?

[toxic saddle]

@tepid holly no luck tried about 20 times it got rolled almost every time

[pale kettle]

Also I rly need help 😦

[tepid holly]

Check who on their team deals the most damage, and perhaps if you’ve got eironn or nara, try pull with Brutus in the front line

[ripe warren]

Any recommendations for team comps?

[onyx oriole]

Help me

[pale kettle]

Been stuck for 2 days, dunno what to do.

[empty jasper]

Im assuming youve already tried ainz comp?

If not
Lyca
Arthur
Ainz
Brutus
Rowan
Might be an option

[pale kettle]

Trying it now, ty sir.

Still getting destroyed lol

[brave oriole]

@pale kettle daimon it

[pale kettle]

No idea how to use Daimon, or what he does. He's also only si20 and 0 star ascended. I feel like if I retry with this comp for an hour or two I can complete the stage.

[brave oriole]

Not sure which team exactly, but you can try
Lyca
Rowan
Daimon
Brutus
Nara or tasi if banish Khasos

[pale kettle]

Cool deal, will try that too.

[brave oriole]

Well, daimon mostly use dura's call

[twin socket]

I started two weeks ago and an in 11-26 this is my current lineup does anyone have any suggestions(i usually switch rowan and silas depending on enemy team)

[pale kettle]

Not having that much luck either, dont even see chance for good rng

[brave oriole]

I would not lvl shemira and daimon, I mean, chose one to carry, i prefer shemira. Keep daimon for later as carry, but for now, reset daimon to 120,put the exp on shemira until 160. Then add exp on Lucius, and use as Frontline shemira and Lucius, rosaline back of shemira, rowan middle, and last slot can be talene let's say, and we'll, put talene front of Lucius, so shem talene front

@pale kettle well, you have posted a ss above. What's your artifacts?

[pale kettle]

Call on Lyca, call on Tasi, call on Rowan, drape on brutes, call on Daimon. I suck with artifacts, I'm not sure who's good with what.

@brave oriole

[brave oriole]

You dont have to write them, press on the small icon from the scree middle and will show em on ss

So that's why, rowan mostly use chalice, lyca, eye or grace, eironn eye and sometimes call

[pale kettle]

Ah no shit lol

Alright. I'll mess around with the artis, thanks man.

Ahhhhhh here is something that limits me, I only have four artis dude. I CBF to unlock the rest.

[brave oriole]

Man, do your peaks, lol

[pale kettle]

Shit takes a lot of work to unlock the artifacts lol

Hahaha the peaks are too hard 🤣

[brave oriole]

You are overlvled

Just press on go

You are high lvl for em

Hard are trials of God, not peaks

[pale kettle]

I guess I'll make tonight a peak night, get them all unlocked. Always been too lazy

[brave oriole]

Yeah,, but they gives enchantments for your dura's and some t1 stones etc

[pale kettle]

Yeah, resources come with it.. it's just me being lazy lol. I'll get my artis done and come back here

[brave oriole]

And you need em, spcly chalice for rowan

[pale kettle]

What does chalice do? Been playing a while but dunno a whole lot about the game.

[brave oriole]

Gives def hp etc

[pale kettle]

Gotcha. Yeah let me get these done, and I'll look up an artifact guide, and then I'll be back here. I never knew artifacts effected the heroes that much.

[brave oriole]

Well the peaks, are easy for you now, would take 5 10 mins each run. Moree work it's on trial of God

[pale kettle]

Aren't there puzzles and whatnot on the peaks? It might be easy compared to my CP, but my brain lags IRL and I get stuck on the simple puzzles, and really can't be bothered to look up a guide on the phone and keep tabbing back and forth between moves, etc. My laziness is a huge factor here lol

[brave oriole]

So the artifacts are from the ventures, balloon gives nice scrolls etc etc, trial of God are the new artifacts, and the last it's the puzzle

[pale kettle]

😆

[brave oriole]

You will finish them in a hr all, the ventures

[pale kettle]

Ventures are more important to me, for the artis.

[brave oriole]

They gives even faction items

And maybe 4 t1 stones

[pale kettle]

I'll get those done, and do trials/balloon at another date and get scrolls/resources. I just need the ventures

[worthy steeple]

Why chalice on rowan?

[brave oriole]

@worthy steeple for def hp ofc

I sometimes used grace, but rare

[pale kettle]

He said HP and Def, Rowan turns frontline later in game, I assume chalice would be best for him.

[worthy steeple]

I was told call on rowan

[brave oriole]

Nah, deppends of your heroes😛, if there's no tasi etc, call helps sometimes when you need the stun faster a little

I'm 99% chalice

[worthy steeple]

Daimon, Rowan Tasi Call, Brutus Chalice, and talene blade

[brave oriole]

Well, try out with rowan front, you will see a diff

[pale kettle]

He also said it depends on your comp. It might be viable there, but I can definitely see Rowan frontline benefiting more from chalice than call

[worthy steeple]

When doe he start frontlining?

[pale kettle]

25??? I don't exactly remember.

[worthy steeple]

Is that sig or chapter

[brave oriole]

Well, once he's full faction gear and not to low lvl, maybe 220 or so

[pale kettle]

Chapter.

[worthy steeple]

And hes no where close to full fction gear

Working on daimon first, just need helm

[pale kettle]

My Rowan is pretty ghetto, and he plays a huge role for my frontline. Infact for my main eironn comp he plays frontline 98% of the time. *at chapter 30

[civic vessel]

Hey guys i started like 4 days ago and need help on lineups and all

Mine looks like this

[brave oriole]

@pale kettle I would not go for more than 3 m furnitures on rowan

[pale kettle]

He's off my wishlist. Rosa is a magnet to him bro

[brave oriole]

@civic vessel you need a rowan badly, try to use
Belinda and Rosa back or swap, talane front of Lucius, and middle can be maybe Brutus or so

[languid vine]

Hey everyone kinda lost at this point im 12-4 and idk where to go with my main team ive been jist trying stuff to get to this point anyone willing to help

[brave oriole]

@pale kettle yeah, it's about his overall power, Rosa it's used usually to boost gwyn, that's why you need to power up gwyn, but well, you got ainz so work on him badly

[pale kettle]

Brutus helped me a ton around your level, Belinda, rosa, Rowan, lucius, and brutus treated me well. @civic vessel

Focus on Shemira in lab, she will be a good carry for you over Belinda.

[brave oriole]

With all the dims, you can't buy much of shemira

[civic vessel]

Welp gotta get me a rowan soon

[pale kettle]

@brave oriole after Saurus he's my next si30, saurus is 27 now iirc

[brave oriole]

@pale kettle yeah, ainz after, albedo should be after ainz

[languid vine]

Hey everyone kinda lost at this point im 12-4 and idk where to go with my main team ive been jist trying stuff to get to this point anyone willing to help

[pale kettle]

I'm a young blue collar worker, and I thought Ainz was a great price at $15. I do lab 1 week out of the month, I'm a lazy player.

[brave oriole]

@languid vine I dunno man, keep eironn middle, Lucius and Saurus front, rosaline and Silas back, maybe lyca instead of Silas

[pale kettle]

I cant get albedo anymore. I dont even think I can gaze her

[civic vessel]

The formation will look like this right?

[brave oriole]

Dura's call on Lucius, eye eironn @languid vine

Nah, so front, Brutus talene, Backline Belinda Rosa Lucius, eye Belinda, call Lucius, etc @civic vessel

[pale kettle]

You can try Rosa in frontline too, it will make their frontline chase your Rosa to postpone any damage/abilities while your Rosa goes to your most powerful hero.

[civic vessel]

Whats eye and call?

[brave oriole]

The artifacts

[civic vessel]

Ohh ok

[brave oriole]

They called like this, and they make a huge diff

[civic vessel]

I only have the first artifact tho

[brave oriole]

Don't you have more ventures unlocked by now?

[civic vessel]

Im doing the eye venture

[brave oriole]

Find a good mercenary, rowan +30 or Saurus, and you will finish them easy

[low bridge]

Can someone help me out?

[civic vessel]

Will do thanks dude

[brave oriole]

@low bridge talene should be Frontline, for heals, nara should pull Ira, I would try a team like
Nara
Brutus
Rowan
Talene
Daimon

[low bridge]

Dont have brutus...

Would be so much better if I had one

[brave oriole]

Well, find something that can tank for a while then

Do you use dura's call on daimon? @low bridge

[low bridge]

@brave oriole yes sir!

[brave oriole]

What it helps, daimon shoes, the haste

So try hard to gear up your daimon, preferably with faction gear

[low bridge]

@brave oriole have 2 mythic gear on him. Chestplate and Axe, not the best to have early on

[brave oriole]

Well, you should have by now a full set at this lvl, buy m gear from guild shop, shoes for daimon first, then for rowan shoes

[low bridge]

@brave oriole not sure if you can get a full set within 10 days of playing.. I saved up all my guild coins for full mythic on Daimon.

[brave oriole]

The plunder event gives lots of guild coins

Well, find an active guild, it helps to have soren 5 6 times in one week

[low bridge]

Im doing that alreadg lol, from day one

You just cant accumulate that much in such a short time

[brave oriole]

Well, no, but have you unlocked misty valley?

Not sure when it's unlocked tho

It gives an good amount of guild coins, 30k or so

[low bridge]

No man, thats chapter 16 or so. Im in 14 rn. If I get one brutus copy I already should be good. Btw im fully leveling stichy btw

[scarlet depot]

Need some help with this

[brave oriole]

Aha, you can do it to 16,theres 5 days left or so, you just need daimon shoes for haste 😢

[low bridge]

Wont prolly get those. Its too expensive for now oof

@brave oriole maybe leg+ ones?

Not sure if they give haste bonuses

[brave oriole]

@scarlet depot not sure how it will work, but try
Lucius dura's call
Rosaline
Nemora to charm ferael
Shemira
Rowan
Restart if didn't charmed ferael on start

@low bridge well, yeah they good for now just + em, it increase the haste

[low bridge]

@brave oriole will do! Thanks!

[brave oriole]

Daimon. Just need some time to ultimate, so rowan makes it faster, the rest shouldt be just heroes that tank etc. Talene front etc

[scarlet depot]

@brave oriole my Lucius is totally useless x

[brave oriole]

@scarlet depot well, then, put up Brutus front Rosa back

And try again, but to charm ferael, restart if didn't

[pale kettle]

Hey guys, which heroes should I use from what I have?

[pale monolith]

Wu Kong, Talene - Front row;
Gwyneth, Rowan, Lyca - Back row;

[gleaming oracle]

Don't think I'll make the threshhold for lab coins

Anything I can do?

[low bridge]

Can someone please help?

[gleaming oracle]

Don't ascend to L if you cant get straight to L+

[low bridge]

Lol? @gleaming oracle

[broken jay]

Any help? Everyone except of Joker keeps getting one shotted... Even the tanks

[manic violet]

Some advice for a team i was thinking anoki talene front with daimon tasi and lyca back ?

[pale monolith]

Talene, Lucius - Front row;
Tasi, Lyca, Daimon - Back row;

[split oar]

pls help stuck at 6-32

[manic violet]

Lucius at chapter 19 suck

i need something to buy time for my daimon to carry

talene tasi lica is ok

[past urchin]

Brutus?
There arent many things better than 7 seconds of guaranteed tanking.
8 later on when you lvl him up.

[cerulean bloom]

Hello everyone can anyone help with my lineup

Have enough cards to take rowan to mythic or should i wait for a carry

[past urchin]

What chapter are you in? @cerulean bloom

[cerulean bloom]

13

[pale kettle]

What’s a solid lineup to make of this?

[undone vessel]

Looking for lineup help to progress in campaign. This is my general lineup, I swap out Rosaline to talene when she doesn't survive long enough to ult, swap between Joker and Mirael, and swap Silvina out when she can't do enough dmg, but stuck here. Am I just not high enough lvl or am I missing something obvious? Shared the artifact placement because I guessed at this and might not be optimal.

FYI I'm currently trying to get Hogan and Saveas to L+ to break the 160 cap, Hogan has enough copies but I don't have enough fodder, technically I can use him up to get L+ Rowan instead if that makes a difference as I have 3x E+ Rowan ignore L+ thoran, I didn't know he was a tier when I used fodder on him

[warm swan]

@undone vessel not much to suggest ig aside from just trying and afking. If you scroll a little bit up you can see a player with somewhat similar pool as yours and he's ch 13 so you're not far behind.

[sudden flower]

Help on stage?

[split oar]

help pls

[bleak bridge]

Any ideas? lvl 299

[cursive lodge]

brutus-rowan-lyca/ferael-daimon-tasi

[bleak bridge]

No luck. Rosa paired with rowan is a nightmare. Only comp even getting close is still this ainz comp

[warm swan]

Try Rowan, Fera, Tasi, Daimon, Lyca. Chalice, eye, call, call, eye

[bleak bridge]

Nope :/. But thanks

[warm swan]

That's sad. Did it with that same comp. Ah myb it's the lvls. Sorry.

[bleak bridge]

maybe. What lvl were you then?

[warm swan]

318

[paper basin]

One poor soul already tried to help but failed, please, I just want chapter 16 lol

[pale kettle]

Please I need a solid lineup from these

[pale monolith]

Brutus, Tasi - Front row;
Shemira, Rowan, Ferael

Daimon, Lucius - Front;
Shemira, Rowan, Lyca - Back;

[pale kettle]

@pale monolith thst was for me?

[paper basin]

Thank you. But tasi just dies and doesnt do anything lol. But thanks for your attempted helpp

[past urchin]

Do you have Nemora? @paper basin

[paper basin]

Unfortunately not.

[paper basin]

I have her elite, acctually

[past urchin]

Try
Ferael
Brutus
Rowan
Shemira
Tasi

If your Ferael has a legendary or better weapon, replace it with a purple one.
@paper basin

[paper basin]

My ferael has mythic weapon

[past urchin]

Then definitely replace it.

[paper basin]

With any purple one?

[past urchin]

Yup.
You need to outfear the enemy Ferael.
If you chsnge the weapon your Fera will do autoattack and then fear.
The way it is now he tries to cast accursed arrow first, right?
And it takes forever to go off.
The loss on dodge doesnt matter, they are almost all mages, he cant dodge anyway.

[paper basin]

I put that weapon on

[past urchin]

Will do.
Give it a few tries.
He needs to fear the right people.

[mint bay]

@past urchin how does this Weapon swap Work? Could you please explain?

[maiden marsh]

there's a bug that makes ferael use accursed arrow first if his weapon is strong enough (along with other factors) which delays his big stun by crucial seconds

[past urchin]

He has a very low haste breakpoint (he is the only hero like that which I know of).
Apparently ranger weapons have some hidden haste to it and it changes his skill rotation.

And yes.In battles like this one it makes a big difference.
DYA needs to outfear him.
If this enemy Ferael gets his fear off its over.

Another thing you may try is Nemora back middle @paper basin
And retry until she charms him.

[mint bay]

Thanks

[strong inlet]

Hi guys any advice on this one? I've tried lots of formations but none seems to work

[warm bay]

Having a hard time with this one, everyone dies in seconds

[paper basin]

Until she charms feral?

[past urchin]

Yup.

[languid pier]

elp bros

[drowsy gazelle]

ya have daimon?

[languid pier]

no

im ainz abuser only

[drowsy gazelle]

welp, i used em both at this stage. cant help ya sry man

[vivid scaffold]

Hi guys,

I'm stuck with level 160 heroes because some of them are not mythic.

The fact is I have a giant lack of fodders, and can not upgrade anyone

• what is the best way for me to get fodders? I was considering buying them in Lab/Challenger store instead of Arthur/Ezizh...
• Can I use some ascended-tier heroes as fodders?

[bleak bridge]

Ainz, albedo, tasi, lyca, arthur

[languid pier]

will try ty

[bleak bridge]

or ainz, lyca, albedo, arthur, brutus/rowan/ezizh if you got him

[chilly mortar]

how do I beat this?

[maiden marsh]

try arthur, albedo, ainz, rowan, nara/athalia

[past urchin]

Well.
Definitely interrupt mehira.
If she gets the bats, you're most likely dead.

[inner mason]

any ideas

[summer cedar]

read the pins in #classic-questions. it's got a team for u

[summer cedar]

shud read the pins in #classic-questions for a good early team

[dull trellis]

Any suggestion?

[maiden marsh]

swap shemira and rowan, then change shemira out for brutus

[dull trellis]

Using daimon as carry?

[lost swift]

Help please

[subtle inlet]

Who next?

[maiden marsh]

consider the new LB, they seem very strong

[dull trellis]

Didn't work, probably cause ferael isn't equipped well

[opaque wren]

Anyone wanna give input on a lineup for early game? I’m only on 7-20 right now

[pale monolith]

Lucius, Hogan - Front row;
Belinda, Rowan, Rosaline - Back row;

[opaque wren]

Thanks !

[obtuse gust]

Hi! this are my heroes my lyca is 1 epic away from ascended, can u help me build 5 pull? idk who are worth except skriath safiya and eironn

[ripe warren]

Any recommendations for a team comp or anything else?

[empty ibex]

Put Brutus and/or Daimon on your Crystal and then try something like this:

Eironn

Brutus
Rowan
Daimon
Belinda

I wouldn't put Belinda on front since she is really squishy, so try to avoid doing that. Eironn pulls Saveas so Brutus can do his thing, Daimon should be enough to tank Kaz with the help of Rowan, giving Belinda time to build her ultimate

The thing is, you need a tank. Without a tank enemy heroes are just going to burst through your squishier frontline heroes and melt whoever is behind them.

[ripe warren]

Thanks

[open stirrup]

What heroes are worth investing in?

[empty ibex]

Umm... You should only level up your 5 main heroes for your pentagram.

I suggest you reset EVERY hero above lv40 (Except those you're using on your main comp A. K. A pentagram) and put all that good stuff on your main carry. Oh, and BTW which stage are you?

[open stirrup]

I'm at 7-5 currently

[empty ibex]

Then put everything you get from all of that resetting on Wu Kong, he'll be able to carry you easily through those stages

Then put the rest of heroes you use on your reso crystal

[open stirrup]

Thanks

[empty ibex]

Oh, wait. I forgot

[pale monolith]

Lucius, Estrelda - Front row;
Shemira, Rosaline, Nemora - Back row;

[empty ibex]

Don't forget to level up your pentagram as well, but your main priority should always be your main carry

[split oar]

any idea on what to do here?

[pale monolith]

As a general line-up I would fo with:
Brutus, Lucius - Front row;
Gwyneth, Rowan, Arden - Back row;

For this stags replace Arden with Fawkes

[split oar]

aight ill give it a try thx

[summer cedar]

gwyn isn't really useful this low - she shines later. I'd swap her for saveas on fesh's suggestion

[worthy steeple]

Is there any way to counter double fera?

[red fable]

I've been stuck at this stage for about a day now and I can get fairly close but I need something to push me over the edge

[brisk path]

your power level blotted out?

[worthy steeple]

Oops, one sec

[brisk path]

i would try using that saurus merc to chew through either grez or ulmus. maybe give him rosa as backup. the power gap isn't thaaaat huge

[brisk path]

could put tasi frontline and remove brutus, pray for dodge rng

nara ccing one fereal should help too

if damion isnt carrying hes not gonna do much

[worthy steeple]

The thing is, I dont see a point in prgressing if i have to merc my way through it

[brisk path]

new warrior relic on nara = perma cc, not sure if you have access to that

[worthy steeple]

Nope... when do i get that?

[maiden marsh]

Some levels are just easier to merc. The ways things are oftentimes.

[worthy steeple]

Am I just too low to do it otherwise?

[brisk path]

i think of mercs like, is this lvl hard for the stuff i've invested in? in this case it is because damion struggles to ult

and no, this deficit is not very large

[maiden marsh]

2x power deficit is very beatable with the right team

[brisk path]

tbh try nara damion abit, might be easiest way

you've invested so much in him (which is great) that it's completely reasonable to use mercs to beat the rare stuff he struggles vs

[maiden marsh]

^

[worthy steeple]

Two feras with tree is fucking ridiculous

[worthy steeple]

My luck I dont have the singular team thats required for this level

[ornate lava]

What should my team be for this tower stage

Been stuck on for a while

[random hinge]

trying to build optimal team for burning brute...unfortunately, i don't have twins, kaz, baden, warek, lorsan, or athalia beyond naked elite. my current mercs are rowan(2 stars), rosaline(2 stars), and tasi(2 stars). what would be the best i can do with my heroes?

[red fable]

Try and get a 5* saurus merc

[maiden marsh]

Try your best to copy what the top leaderboards look like for your twisted realm. That, and get a saurus merc, preferably with 30SI

[random hinge]

not in a particularly active alliance, and i am not invested enough in the game to go to an active alliance

dropping a merc so i can try to get a saurus isn't really a viable option for me

[red fable]

In lucky that I have friends and guild members with 5 stars of basically everything you could ever need

[pale kettle]

Any ideas?

[mellow kestrel]

Anyone has any idea how to. Pass this stage been stuck for a while here now

[real schooner]

I just reached 4-set (33-4). In 3-set my comps were: Ainz, Daimon, Eironn. What should my 4th comp be based on what I have?

[rocky crescent]

Any help? Super women Rose is kicking my teeth in

[summer cedar]

if u can spare arthur from ainz comp, gwyn would be your 4th

[summer cedar]

can try one of these clears. mine is there https://afkhelper.nax.is/the_forsaken_necropolis.php?floor=267

[rocky crescent]

Taking a look now, thank you. Rose was one shotting my tanks xD

[split oar]

anyone with anoki can help me pls? i need him for 1 fight

[random hinge]

the wandering balloon?

[maiden marsh]

#mercenary

[real schooner]

Thanks @summer cedar ! Totally forgot that Gwyn could carry xD! I think I can swap Hendrik in for Arthur between the Ainz and Gwyn sets to make things work!

[random hinge]

i was able to pass it with a level 1 elite anoki, since the rest of my comp simply overpowered the enemies.

[rocky crescent]

Thank you, for my ten clears in. Only issue was that come i asked for. I would never of thought to put Nara in the front line

[summer cedar]

honestly I don't recall why I did so lol. prolly bc I always backline daimon and fera and I wanted thoran to get pulled by nara? 🤷 it worked so who cares

[rocky crescent]

Agree, was a 1 shot with that formation vs old formations xD

[pale kettle]

Need help, can’t get past 11-40

[stiff sandal]

It’s the Arden that messes me up

[clever patio]

Any help?

[clever patio]

Do you have a Nara built or someone who you can merc one from? If so just put her right there and you should be good. If you have no one who had a nara, dm me and I’ll give you my friend ID and I’ll lend you my 9/9 furn +20 Nara

[stiff sandal]

Okay

But I can’t use any merc rn

[low bridge]

Guys, I cant dps though Niru's heal. Any ideas how to beat this stage?

[clever patio]

You need to build other heroes

[low bridge]

I primarily use Daimon, Talene, Lyca, Nara

[clever patio]

Throw a Rowan in front

Lyca
daimon
Nara
Rowan
Arden

Arden will be good for his little weed things that stops the enemy from doing things

[worthy steeple]

Here we go again... arden + numisu is fucking broke

[split peak]

Can i get some mauler advice ?

[jagged rune]

any advice for this stage? ive been able to get it down to just warek left but he obliterates my whole team

[red fable]

I've been stuck at the final stage in chapter 20 for about a day now and no matter how many times I try I cant quite seem to beat it

[knotty flare]

Need some ideas on this lab fight, they just won't die

[knotty flare]

I had to eat a loss by timeout, but got past it

[robust venture]

Can someone help with line up im chp 30

[merry thunder]

Any ideas

@summer cedar u didn’t have an upload for this stage 😦 now my mini acct is stuck lol

[summer cedar]

I didn't start taking dedicated organized screenshots until I was messaged about helping with the site.
I prolly also did something dumb at a shitty deficit so...

[maiden marsh]

hcp daimon asap, stop making legendaries, and work on skriath as well so you can create an at least serviceable second comp for multifights in a chapter

[oblique berry]

Can anyone help me here

[torn bramble]

any comp for joker?

[maiden marsh]

he slots into ainz and gwyn comps well

[flint marlin]

Help?

[pale kettle]

https://i.redd.it/q4gbnxzifth61.jpg
For Kane, should I swap any of the heroes in the Cost Efficient lineup for Grez? I don't have Talene, Mortas, or Silas yet for the meta comps

[summer cedar]

I wouldn't. there's a reason he's left out. I still get D1 most of the time with saurus bel as depicted

optimally bel ults, then rosa, then bel again, then bel dies, and let everyone else go ham.

[merry thunder]

Thnx

[boreal ingot]

Been stuck a while.... Thoughts?

[summer cedar]

i used bel for that stage. it's on the site

[boreal ingot]

I think I tried it. Didn't work. Tried this stage so much. Maybe I'll try a merc bel with more si or furn

[mortal mural]

Should I L+ mirael or hogan? Or should I save the L+ until I get another estrilda or something?

[vapid field]

Help pls

[boreal ingot]

#lineup-help is more for asking what comp is good for a certain stage or whatever. This is more general help. And a lot more ppl in #classic-questions would be more than happy to help.

At your level, build up leg+ Mirael up until lvl 160. There are pins in #classic-questions that will help you immensely at the beginning

[boreal ingot]

Does anyone manage to ult?

[vapid field]

Ainz sometimes and Albedo often. I have also seen Tasi ult one time in about 300 tries.

[boreal ingot]

Oh okay... Try albedo, Tasi, ainz, Rowan, fereal

If that doesn't work maybe Rowan, Tasi, fereal, Numisu, ainz

[pale kettle]

Out of these hereos I have, which 5 should I use in a solid lineup?

[fallow ruin]

Who should I build/focus on or ascend on each faction? I was thinking of taking Rose & Lyca to M as I use them in my current lineup I will post in a sec on the stage I'm also stuck on

[boreal ingot]

Stop making so many heroes leg

[safe ridge]

Need halp

[nimble hound]

Have you tried gwyn in position 4 👀

[safe ridge]

I will try

[nimble hound]

Her arrows will hit all of backline

[maiden marsh]

Replace belinda for rosaline

[safe ridge]

Double Brutus just busts through

[maiden marsh]

Use fawkes to dispel immunity

[safe ridge]

Yay

[nimble hound]

Ayy Grats on Last 200

[vapid field]

@boreal ingot Had to switch Ainz to call but worked after about 100 more attempts. tyty!

[boreal ingot]

Grats

[drowsy gazelle]

fuck, im stuck at 196 of LB lol. belinda cary is hard

[boreal ingot]

Got it

[boreal ingot]

Need help on this one though

[rose kite]

Should I wait for mercenary?

[summer cedar]

id swap safi and drez. slap windbinder on safi
no screenshots unfortunately. i dont save screenshots <80 deficit, and my mauler tower runs some pretty off meta stuff too

[boreal ingot]

Wind is on both safiya and skriath. When I swap safiya and Drez, they never kill anyone. The best I got was my original screenshot. Came down to safiya and Tasi and Tasi won

[summer cedar]

honestly? I wonder what swapping drez and tidus might do, since drez can't die cuz of that retreat skill

I don't have experience with either. my mauler tower strat tends to be whatever goes, which atm is skri 3f paired w skreg knockback and vurk/safi to wreck the clumped enemies.

[boreal ingot]

Same... Mauler tower is just throw whatever and rearrange until it works... Lol 😂. Very unconventional. And tbh it's the tower that in the stage info is all over the place for everyone.

I finally got it with my original comp. Tidus and Drez switch btw did push drez back like you said but safiya and skriath were more vulnerable because of it

[pale kettle]

Overleveled and cannot beat this stage. What should I do?

[drowsy gazelle]

@maiden marsh

[maiden marsh]

Was already on it lol

[opaque jay]

Hey which of these 3 should I make legendary

[maiden marsh]

Read pins in #classic-questions

[proven laurel]

I dont have any of those heroes at that level at all

[pale kettle]

@boreal ingot missing talene and albedo, you fancy.

[summer cedar]

When asking for lineup help show a screenshot of your hero pool

[fossil acorn]

Eh oké wtf is this lol

Got it with some rng but 4 Brutus that's just crazy

Who would be a good 5th mauler?

[summer cedar]

• shud stop building L heroes
• u don't really build for tower this early. next hero to work on is for campaign purposes, faction tower can wait.

[fossil acorn]

-yes made mistakes early on
-rly? The mythic items you get from tower are nice tho

And all that fodder, I'm currently working on rowan / thoran and Eiron for thoran cheese untill then I use ascended joker as carry

[pale kettle]

I’m a little new and stuck on the final stage of chapter 10 and need help

[astral agate]

Final boss of labyrinth on hard, Is it possible for me to beat them at all? I’ve tried a bunch of different combinations but nothing seems to work... they are all 180..

[summer cedar]

campaign progress nets you more rewards over time. towers are flat rewards

[fossil acorn]

Aight

[wintry dune]

Anyone got some ideas on how to beat this stage

[undone current]

Try rowan lucius esrilda gwy cecilia

[wintry dune]

Okay thanks

[pale kettle]

Going insane. Please help me stay sane.

I'm overleveled and cannot beat the stage. Fml

[undone current]

@pale kettle rowan tassi safiya eiron lyca

[pale kettle]

What tier is estrilda

[undone current]

@pale kettle possible to retry couple Times 😉

[vocal kettle]

Hali-gali
Any suggestions? A charm ferael but not enough.

[pale kettle]

I’m still stuck

[rigid birch]

reset warek and level up shemira

1. Talene
2. Brutus
3. Shemira
4. Rowan
5. Mehira

[split oar]

As im new to the game (day 3) which heroes should i focus on and which should i not? Also any tips that I should know?

[silver remnant]

Pls help

[ornate lava]

maybe swap around eiron and daimon so that u can maybe kill before u get vined