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[rotund marsh]

okay thankss

[queen harness]

Read the guide. You ascended way too many heroes to L and bad heroes in general. Consider restarting if you wanna be competitive or just continue if you wanna play casually. Progression is way better than Stagnation though, just pick what you want ig

[rotund marsh]

yeah i think i want to create another but keep this account

[dire furnace]

Which 5 should i put in my team? I ascended and leveled up hogan, silvina, mirael, saveas and arden as mentioned in the guide for resonating crystal.

[queen harness]

Yeep thats another option

[dire furnace]

Hope that was right

[queen harness]

ASol and 4 fodders yes. Remove ASol for another fodder once you can get past lv140 cap to go to 160

For now you can probably put Ivan and Simona in RC/level them up since you're not at lv100 or 120 cap. You do this so they have higher levels cos Simona will be your carry and Ivan is just the best support early game

[dire furnace]

Okay, thank you 🙏

[fading quiver]

Well I don't know about this, I didn't look at his box nor know what his heroes are

[queen harness]

I sent it above, atleast an old version of his/her box. And if you click the message Arwyn linked (the original question) you can kinda see the available heroes left to use. The level deficit is kinda low (at 120 deficit) so Naroko carry might be doable, shes definitely gonna get 1 shot at higher deficit though

Im getting tired of playing safe on pronouns so ill just call everyone a he/him

[queen harness]

Forgot to say : again the problem is gonna be the fillers in the team. It also (again) might be doable if he uses other heroes from other teams cos hes gonna have to do that anyway (divide heroes evenly). Anyway, point is - its better to use AShem carry which is alot better than Naroko carry (who isnt even a carry, in campaign at least)

[serene moss]

I am still confused on who should I pair with Eironn. My Duo have mishka.

[quick escarp]

Hy! I'm new in this game and I don't have I big idea to what to do, so can anyone help me pls? Like some teams, farm,etc.

[fading quiver]

Show me your wishlist

[oblique walrus]

is this a good whishlist?

[fading quiver]

Mb didn't see the mssg, naroko isn't really a carry more like a flex support or smth, not even a tank

[quick escarp]

I copied that one hahaha

[fading quiver]

Yep it's good

Get one copy of nara early the last one on graveborn list

[oblique walrus]

Soo I am pretty new and I dont know which units are good

[fading quiver]

Focus on ivan-simona for early game, they'll be your most used heroes for a while, and once you reach a certain point where you stuck real hard you can garrison rem which unlocks after chapter 7

[fading quiver]

Use the wishlist below

[fading quiver]

This one is more up to date in terms of meta and usage

[oblique walrus]

ok ok ty!!

any resource to read? like a guide? @fading quiver

[fading quiver]

=guide

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[oblique walrus]

and the best draco heroes..? :D

or is a waste of diamons beeing new?

[fading quiver]

Yeah you should forget about this faction for a year or so until you hoard like 600 insignias to pull them, and keep buying hildwin shards from guild store once you unlock him

[oblique walrus]

ok ok, ty!!

[wooden marten]

Stuck on 12-31 currently using hogan thoran rem Tamrus and Ivan any ideas on what to switch?

[fading quiver]

Use Brutus instead of Hogan and lyca instead of tamrus

[wooden marten]

@fading quiver I don't have lyca

[fading quiver]

Use vill if you have her

[silent mason]

Been stuck at CH 16, was just afking to get my 5 fodder to 160 for the resonating crystal. But perhaps my team comp is bad?

[granite echo]

hey i need 4 teams for campaign and i dont know

ch 35

[queen harness]

Figure out a team around AShem. Get her 309 and e60 once u get her star

[lapis kettle]

I just got to 31-4. How should I build out 2-team fights? Should I keep Rem/Ivan together and then do a different carry for the other team, or split them up? I have M Ashem, Thoran (not sure how his cheese works though or if I have the right supports for it), and Lib/Mehira (but Lib isn't even M yet so would that comp even work?)

[subtle canyon]

Just look at the formations used and see from there

[fading quiver]

Thoran cheese is a little bit hard to use this early, so focus on simona or ashem as a second carry along with ivan, and for your first team use rem with some good supports to back her up until she wipes out

[sick swallow]

help

[fading quiver]

You either need higher rc or just rng, copy other's formations it'll work eventually

[sick swallow]

ok thx

[gray crown]

Hey, new player that just got to chapter 8 and I felt the fall of wukong so I want to change carry but I'm not sure who's best to replace him. Also should I use all my different coins to garrison rem or should I keep my laby coins ?

[grand perch]

Hello @gray crown,

Please check out the pinned messages/guides in the #classic-questions and #lineup-help channels.

[quaint tapir]

Sorry but uhhhh mirael iw fodder.

[long terrace]

Ok Boyz. What should I focus on ? I am using deimon and rem as a carry, with Silas as a healer. The remaining two are basically fillers I have as somewhat strongest I can currently use.
I have 9 copies of Silas, collecting fooder do ascend him Futher. Should I keep collecting shemira, then use legacy of grit to get Ivan ? I wasn't really lucky with him.
I'm fairly early, 16-ish, but I want to focus on a team I can use for a while. I wonder about 5th spot as well
And advices ?

[quaint tapir]

Silas sounds good but focuaes on a singke ally..... if you have full team helaers use it. If you wanna go full glasscanon k recommend silas

Excuse my typos btw im romanian

[fading quiver]

Simona or eorin are the best carries early game

[fading quiver]

Link rem to daimon and throw him away, remove silas and shemira and replace them with atheus brutus thoran or any of these three and lyca or nara for cc or haste

[gray crown]

ok thanks 👍

[lapis kettle]

Ok, thanks! I invested a bit more into Ashem and Lib so I ended up keeping Rem+Ivan together and using Ashem+Lib for the second team, got all the way to 31-60 now I just need to watch back 31-60 to see why I'm stuck there

[fading quiver]

Your rem keeps dying instantly i guess, because your putting her against athalia ,Put Raine in front of Athalia and switch positions rem at the bottom and jerome middle and ivan in place of raine front lane

[fading quiver]

For this one switch positions between thoran and ashem and remove palmer use vill or dae instead

Dae and vill will help your team stay alive until Brutus immunity ends and make sure other heroes won't insta shot you while at it

[lapis kettle]

dae like daemon? or daemia? well i guess both dae's and also vill are all E+ do they work at that tier?

[silent mason]

Been stuck at CH 18, was just afking to get copies for my ascended heroes to take to E+ to A. But perhaps my team comp is bad?

[fading quiver]

Yep i use dae at one copy in my alt even at chapter 33

And yes daemia talking about

[fading quiver]

Remove rowan and use nara to hook marieal

[lapis kettle]

ok i'll try that, thanks again!!

[fading quiver]

Np if you're seeing it close to winning just keep it on auto a couple times will do

[silent mason]

ill try it

[ripe crest]

link rem to daimon since he's higher ascended and drop daimon from the team. You want one carry and surrounding supports, 2 carries is worse. And by the time you need 2 carries (one per team) daimon won't be able to be that carry and help. Try filling in the team around rem with supports and such like in =gitgud

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[long terrace]

What about Silas then? Should I actually use him or drop him ? I have 9 copies of him, but I don't have atheus, and one copies of thoran and one of Ivan. Should I use legacy of grit to exchange Silas for someone of these guys ?

[ripe crest]

show your box

[long terrace]

I barely get any Wilders or maulers

[ripe crest]

lol if you had just followed the guide you'd probably be well into the 20s with an ascended rem right now. Instead you tied up GB fodder in two different heroes and you're stuck with a legendary rem and mythic daimon

and you wasted your LB and Wilder fodder making useless Legendaries (especially mishka). And even worse you used up all your mauler fodder making a completely useless M brutus 🤦

[long terrace]

Did Brutus to have higher link for rem

[ripe crest]

you already had daimon at M though

[long terrace]

Yeah, I thought he would be on a main partu

[ripe crest]

he often is. But making him M does nothing. The reason brutus is useful i simply because he turns invincible for like 8 seconds instead of dying and draws fire. Literally makes zero difference what ascension he is, I still use him at times in ch.40 at E+

[long terrace]

Huh. Well, I can still exchange stuff with legacy of grit. but I do struggle now tbf

[ripe crest]

I think if you want to carry on your best option might be to grit daimon to ivan. Because ivan really only needs mythic for a long time and you'll get more copies eventually scrolling GB. Keep your silas as he's your best bet for ascended and then link rem to him. Link rem to Brutus in the meantime. But also =restarting is definitely an option and then don't waste your fodders like that

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[hot snow]

So this run has been working.c just curious if y’all would run different tanks in the front line, I really liked Alma, she was just too squishy, Brutus seems to die more often than Thoran, but idk how much of a bar that really is

I know some people run Nara instead, but I’ve been liking the two tanks with Rem/daimon as my carry sitting in back

I also just got a liberta, wasn’t sure if that’s replacing Rowan anytime soon since I have Rowan’s SI up to 15

[oblique walrus]

Where can I found all that guides? @ripe crest

[oblique walrus]

Like this

[ripe crest]

Check pins in #classic-questions . And go through #faq-resources

[sinful herald]

Currently at ch 18 with about a week of play time, should I focus on getting Lady Simona to mythic to link with my Rem or wait til I get more copies?

[queen harness]

Id wait just to be safe. You can do that if you wanna get Rem si20 and to lv180

[sinful herald]

Cool thanks

[lunar galleon]

Really new to the game and want to know what I should focus on with my current roster

[obtuse pine]

people ive circled are ones u wanna aim to build

also try not to have just Legendaries

aim for at least 4 to 5 E+'s (8 to 10 copies of a hero)

[queen harness]

False. The heroes you encircled are bad at the stage hes at. (Didnt notice Daimon and Ivan)

Rowan is shit without his si30 and his heals are kinda ehh (niche hero). Silas is cool but not at that stage. Palmer is also cool but not in campaign and with that invest (si0 0f 0engrave). Simona is ehh as well, shes used as a 2nd team carry. Jerome is the same as Palmer but great in campaign. Scarlet is bad even at her min invest 309 (30), shes only used in LB Tower (if you dont got ABel), NC (sub for Abel) and TS 6th/7th team. Daimon is dead now, he got powercrept hard by Rem (rip) and Ivan is the only good hero you correctly encircled

[queen harness]

Read the =guide. Read and understand it. You dont have to read everything at once cos that might seem overwhelming - being fed too much information at once. Just read the parts you want help on - Wishlist, Before level 160, Ascensions and Team Composition - read these parts for starters.

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[queen harness]

=garrison Rem and link her to Crassio. Do not level up your heroes evenly, thats bad. You wanna level up your carry (Rem) 20-40 levels higher. Get her to 140 or however high you can. The 'best' team comp pre ch31 is : Brutus, Thoran/Atheus, Rem, Ivan, Lyca/Nara. Since you dont have some of these heroes yet, you can use Thoran, Rowan (?), Rem, Ivan, Silas/Palmer.

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What is Garrison?

https://discord.com/channels/441477431501783060/994912202375049256

[queen harness]

If you dont have enough resources to garrison Rem then just replace her with Simona - shes your 2nd best carry (Daimon might also work)

[fading quiver]

I was waiting for someone to jump him lmao

[pale kettle]

suggest line up , i need 2 teams

[fading quiver]

Why do you have si30 naroko before ivan and lib and even ashem ?

Even jerome comes first in prio

[hazy portal]

I cant garrison rem rn and i didnt pull Ivan. this is my current line-up, is there anything i can do to improve my comp?

[hot snow]

Been struggling with it around this point, is it just the level difference?

[ripe crest]

No. your level deficit is only going to get bigger, that's still pretty small. Replace thoran with lyca. And try to get your ivan si30 soon

oh and also switch up that pet. Green ball is better then black ball if the blue pets are your only option. Even white ball probably better. Black ball is basically bad seal and that's not what you need, you need support in the form of buffs, cc, energy or even healing. Whatever keeps rem alive and/or gets her to ult faster

[hot snow]

Ya the pet just wasn’t very high level, so I wasn’t sure if I should add it in there

[ripe crest]

ah yea probably not. what's green ball at? is it level 3 like white? if so then I guess just stick with black, the higher level stats probably matter more then the ability

Also read =beasts. Souffle should not be on your initial wishlist

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Beasts

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[hot snow]

Ya I think I was looking at a old one at some point

[ripe crest]

its fine. switch it to seal, owl and talis. Once owl or talis hits 6 replace with fox. Then replace the next non-seal 6 with souffle instead of spooder. Spooder 6 isn't really that high value from what I've seen and since you've started on souffle should keep going to get as much trick value out of them as possible before activating reso6 and not waste them

[oblique walrus]

Someone can add me to garrison me Rem?

[warped mesa]

if my phone wasnt dead then i would

[pale kettle]

you know there's a reward for building crassio, right? that's when i get him to si30 after that i grit him with naroko

[queen marten]

If I’m building Eugene what should I build around him?

[pale kettle]

you know there's a reward for building crassio, right? that's when i get him to si30 after that i grit him with naroko

[queen harness]

Dementia

The rewards from Hero Covenant is kinda mehh. Its not worth spending 300 reds on either hero. Though, you can spend that 300 reds if you already have si30 Ivan and Lib, maybe Ashem as well

[wary vapor]

you know there's a reward for building crassio, right? that's when i get him to si30 after that i grit him with naroko

[queen harness]

Dementia

Dementia
Dementia
Dementia

[hot snow]

Well I got a new hero, worth slapping her in over the haste from Lyca?

[queen harness]

what hero did u get???

Remove Rowan for Lyca :>

[hot snow]

The shemira

[queen harness]

Ahh shouldve replaced Rowan instead. He does nothing there

Reset Rowan in Rickety Cart so you can level Rem to 200

He doesnt need stats and he wont be used anywhere rn

[ripe crest]

Why make him M+ if you don't have 8 yet? Course I could be asking that about basically all those reds and golds you have for some reason

[unkempt hemlock]

What would be some good PvP teams for arena and legends challenger?

[languid glacier]

@queen harness you know there's a reward for building crassio, right?

[white shard]

=guide

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[fading quiver]

Oh say so, but it's still a bad decision to si30 naroko first, i did her si30 at chap 38, she's not a prio before those four i listed (lib jerome ivan ashem) so you just wasted a good advantage early game and you should've choose eorin not Crassio he's better in general and wilders are in general better than maulers too in term of usage outside tower, but hey it's no big deal

@queen harness is there anything wrong with what i said?

[fading quiver]

You know there's a reward for building crassio, right?

[languid glacier]

yes

[fading quiver]

So do i

[fading quiver]

[lapis kettle]

Currently stuck on 33-28, struggling to balance the 3 teams. AShem can usually carry her team, but then between Rem and Lib, whichever team doesn't have Ivan always dies super quick. Any substitutions I can make here?

[fallen pecan]

dolphin is a noob dont listen to him

[fading quiver]

Hih

[deft heron]

Team 1: Ashem, Jerome, Vila, Lady Simona, Eorin
Team 2: Naroko, ivan, Rem, Daemia, Aurelia
Team 3: Brutus, Atheus, Lyca, Mehira (make sure you have windbinder 3* on her), liberta.

Swap the teams around and see which ones win

[deft heron]

bruh

[lapis kettle]

I'm running into the same issues, teams 1+2 can win but team 3 can't beat any of the 3 enemy teams.

Lib rarely targets Mehira, usually he targets himself or Brutus (who instantly dies within a second of getting ulted). And even when Lib ults Mehira and Mehira gets to ult, the whole team wipes before either of them can get a 2nd ult in. Is that team stuck until I have enough resources to get lib to si30/e30 (currently si20/e0) and/or higher RC?

[deft heron]

might need si30 liberta, not sure. I dont think I ever used him without it since I got him to SI30 pretty fast. Also make sure mehira is lowest HP. You can take out brutus for another support

[spice frost]

I got to 31-4 with the attached team. Now it's asking me for a second team. I would appreciate your help.

[deft heron]

split rem from ivan and let ivan + another carry win t2

[spice frost]

Thanks!

[indigo turtle]

Any tips for 14-11? I’ve gotten stuck - Rem almost gets the ult off but dies too soon

[queen harness]

Remove Arden for Thoran, Silvina for Villanelle/Palmer/Rowan - Ivan when you get him

[rose mural]

Team comp for 30-4+? (Still trying to get enough dust for 200 overall)

[pine pebble]

what team can i use for campaign? I still need 20 more tickets for shemira 😦
currently at ch18

[indigo turtle]

Thanks! This worked great

[queen harness]

Way too late but : just use the usual Brutus, Thoran/Atheus/Ashemira, Rem, Ivan, Lyca/Nara and Talismane or Black pet

[queen harness]

Just copy formations of others by clicking 'Formations' on the bottom right of the battle screen in campaign. You might need si30 Ivan for an easier time so just rush that. Your 2nd team could be Ivan+Simona. You can grit Shemira to Simona and link Rem to Rowan then

[still imp]

help🙏

[queen harness]

Vill out, Ashem in (front)

Or the usual Rem comp should work

Use that til you get to pcap then use your 5 strongest heroes

[rose mural]

Alr, I'm so close to si30 Ivan. Any tips for building simona?

[warped mesa]

si20 3f is good for a while

e30 is also really good if u dont have any prios to do b4 it

[mystic oriole]

Little help with 24-8?

[twilit roost]

link your rem to thoran if you can ascend it

[mystic oriole]

i cant, i dont have food enough

[twilit roost]

seems 24-8 is your limit for what you got now.
To break through, you can:
si30 your ivan
bring ivan to lvl 200
find meta 4f fraction(usually graveborn as you use all fraction scroll on it) to ascend and link with rem

If I were you I won't upgrade Simona to M yet (as you won't be using her until 31-4), instead I will use the 6 E+fodder on Simona to ascend thoran and link with rem

[fading quiver]

Link Rem to simona you won't be using her anyways, and get rem si20 and Ivan si30 that should take you to chap 31 with no problems

[pine pebble]

im strugglig without Ashemira tbh, still need 20 tickets. Managed to get to ch19 but now I really feel stuck

[ripe crest]

I mean you definitely don't need ashemira lol. I didn't have her at all until like early ch. 30s

[pine pebble]

rn im very low on hero xp so I cant lvl anyone 😦 and rn I feel like Ashemira is the one thing that could help me progress more

so many stages could be easily finished with rem surviving just a little longer

[ripe crest]

whats your team?

[pine pebble]

i was trying out nara but didn't work

[ripe crest]

oh she's still L+. yea that's going to get challenging at that point. You can't ascend anyone?

[pine pebble]

nope, no 8 copies yet

the closest is Silas I believe

not sure if I should do the shemira grit yet, probably not

[ripe crest]

that won't give you 8 copies of anyone? You have 4 shemiras so you'll just have 4 of someone else

[pine pebble]

im still not sure how that bit works, thought I could get just 2 of Silas and I'd be at 8

[ripe crest]

no. It swaps all copies. If you swapped with silas you'd end up with 3 E+s of shemira and 2 E+s of silas. The exact opposite of what you want to happen

[pine pebble]

ohhh I see

[mystic oriole]

i'll try this

[pine pebble]

but yeah, I feel a bit stuck, my pulls havent been helping much 😦 I'm already out of forest mania, used all my thrilling voyage attempts. I'll do some more shadow invasions and ventures to get more resources, but yeah

[ripe crest]

did you do everything in peaks? what is actually in your bag right now? also did you enter all the promo codes out there?

[pine pebble]

yeah, ive been doing almost everything in peaks, not much on my bag, and yeah, all promo codes on first day. Sadly there are many that are expired

btw Im at day 5, maybe it has to do sth

[ripe crest]

hm. yea that'll help

[fading quiver]

Sometimes you just gotta chill and wait until you level up a couple levels more and try again, or breakthrough some heroes investments, you can't rush everything that early unless you whale your way through

[pine pebble]

hate when the afk games makes you afk u-u let me play lol jk

[ripe crest]

well if you haven't gotten all the shadow invasions stuff go do that. and anything else you can find that you can do in dark forest for that matter. If you get to 8 silas (or anyone really) go ahead and ascend them, almost doesn't matter who they are as they are just a link. If you're still stuck in like 2 days taking silas to M as a dim link isn't the worst thing, he's just not one I would normally recommend partially ascending. His use is kind of limited outside of gb tower

But a mythic rem will probably get you enough further to make it worth it. and he is on the initial wishlist

[fading quiver]

I don't even use him at gb tower

[ripe crest]

lol you will

[fading quiver]

Not now at least, im glad i didn't ascend him too early

[pine pebble]

I'll keep pulling then

[fading quiver]

I'm at f470 gb I don't think I'll need him anytime soon

[ripe crest]

whats your teams?

[fading quiver]

Ashem-ivan-thoran-simona-oden

[pine pebble]

shadow invasions is annoying sometimes, i was doing the trials yesterday, game crashed at 10 min

[ripe crest]

do you mean 370? you need 2 teams at 470

[fading quiver]

You only need 5

[fading quiver]

Oh I didn't notice

[pine pebble]

well whoops 😅 i did it again, had to let myself get killed by the boss or it wouldnt stop lol

[fading quiver]

Um actually at 440

[ripe crest]

well I'll give you a hint then. when you get to 2 teams, one team is just ivan+silas (with highest attak)+seal. The other 3 do not matter, i had level 1s for a lot of it even lol. Put all your good GBs besides ivan on the ashem team as they have the hard job lol. Ivan+silas+seal will just win. I'm at 496 now like that

[fading quiver]

I just checked to make sure

[fading quiver]

Seal is too smol for this

[pine pebble]

taking a screenshot of this for the future lol

[fading quiver]

I fucked up tricking because the guide don't really help that much with the horrendous amount of yapping it contains

[pine pebble]

@ripe crest would it be okay if I dmd you sometime with a few questions? sometimes I try to ask here but dont always get answers 😦 I'll be sure to always ask first tho

I still barely understand pets lol but I'm too early for that, dont even have seal yet u-u

[ripe crest]

tbh I'd prefer to just keep it in here. I don't really have all the answers either, I'm only like a 4 month player. But that being said you can try asking in #classic-questions more, it is easily the most active channel on this server

[robust tusk]

Hey can someone help me cause I’m stuck in 17-33

[oblique river]

where is ur rem bro?

[robust tusk]

I choose ainz cause I haven’t played in 2 years and the Last time I played he was the go to choice @oblique river

[oblique river]

im sorry bro but ur account is trash for now, u really need to restarting account because ur doing so many mistakes

=restarting

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[oblique river]

click this hastag @robust tusk

[robust tusk]

Thanks

[oblique river]

read the beginner guide, to keep u out from doing same mistake

[oblique river]

someone give me recommendations for first and second team to beat chapter 31 pls

[signal kraken]

Hey haven’t played in god knows how long who should I level up or max out first

[obtuse wren]

=guide

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[empty citrus]

What is the best line up i can get out of this?

[queen harness]

Atheus, Abrutus (carry), Ivan, Palmer, Silas. Just level Abrutus to 120 then 140 and u good

[humble parcel]

Been reading the guides but not sure what my best team comp would be given who I have, I’m thinking rem, Ivan, thoran, Simona, oden? Or is there something better

Also not sure how to position them

[queen harness]

Silas or Palmer instead of Oden. Position is Thoran, Ivan (front) Rem, Palmer/Silas, Simona

[humble parcel]

okay thank you!

what can I do if I dont have anough fodder to ascend golus who's linked to rem? like she's stuck at lv 100 lol

[opal sparrow]

What can i do here? Failed so much

[cerulean latch]

upgrade kalthin

[queen harness]

Ascend Golus or another fodder to L/L+ when that happens

Just keep following the guide, you cant really do anything wrong if you do

[humble parcel]

I see, I mean like I’d have to change who rem is linked to if I don’t have enough Mauler fodder right?

[queen harness]

Yeep

[opal sparrow]

Noted

[oblique river]

please give me recommendation to make first and second team to beat chapter 31 😓

[queen harness]

Remilia and Ivan Simona + Fillers. Look at other players comp to get ideas or just straight up copy them

[pale kettle]

What heroes should I level?

[fading quiver]

You pretty much level up eorin and vika

You don't any other carris rn other than those two

[pale kettle]

Ok ty

[robust tusk]

With what hero should I bind my rem with???

[twilit roost]

bind to your fodder first and ascend it to L+

[queen harness]

*to your highest leveled hero

[signal kraken]

Who should I use for my team

I just got Zaphrael out of those epic hero soul stones

[twilit roost]

Put villanelle/lyca in if your RC(resonating crystal) unlock

Try something like ivan eorin wukong lyca villanelle/plamer

Also can try Zaphrael replacing eorin/wukong as DPS, but i am not sure whether it will works decently

=campaign

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[twilit roost]

Read this will help you alot for pushing campaign further

[humble parcel]

Currently using this but just pulled Jerome, would he slot in better than anyone here?

[fading quiver]

You're best carries are eorin and ivan and whoever else you want basically

[fading quiver]

Yes he's better than palmer, give him call artifact and he may help you out if he ults in time

Palmer becomes useless the longer you level up or the higher your campaign progress is

[humble parcel]

Okay thanks, would I also frontline Jerome?

[fading quiver]

Yea and you can even use atheus or brutus instead of him if you have them

[humble parcel]

I only have thoran and naroko for tanks so far

[fading quiver]

Naroko isn't much of a tank, she's more of a healing and cc hero

It's ok you can use jerome front line until you pull a copy of atheus

[craggy hemlock]

Im stuck, can anyone give me some team tips?

[fading quiver]

Remove Rowan and replace him with thoran and swtich his position with atheus, remove oden and replace him with nara to hook one of the mages (apparently you don't have her yet, you can try eorin to soke up khasus blades)

[humble parcel]

Ah I thought I was still early on so he’s be useful, also my Jerome is just getting oneshot immediately lol

[fading quiver]

Well yea you need atheus he's better than Jerome but you don't ig

[humble parcel]

Should I pick Atheus off this chest then once I get there? Or is Ivan dupe better

[fading quiver]

Save it for later i say

You can play pve modes for some pulls and you might get lucky with a copy of atheus

[oblique river]

help me step bro im stucked, everyone using ABelinda at formation, I don't have her

[shadow anvil]

Hmmmm

[fading quiver]

I Regret saying ok to help

[oblique river]

lol why XD

[fading quiver]

Your biggest problem is using ivan with rem still

[shadow anvil]

Okay for the rem Ivan team take everything but rem Ivan out

[fading quiver]

She can do just fine with a copy of dae and M vill

[shadow anvil]

Wait yea give Ivan to Simon

[fading quiver]

I pushed to 33 using rem-vill-dae

[shadow anvil]

And bring thorn to rem

[oblique river]

okay so:

• team 1: rem vill dae thoran
• team 2: simona ivan etc

[shadow anvil]

Yen

[fading quiver]

Ahsem with rem if her survivability is not enough

[oblique river]

aight, gonna test it, thank guys

[shadow anvil]

If it doesn’t work send the 4f box’s

[fading quiver]

Try this it worked for me all the way to 33

@oblique river might work with you, who knows

[spiral zodiac]

I'm using Daimon, Scarlet+, Rosaline+, Palmer, Nevanthi,

And I just got Lady simona which one here should I change?

[spiral zodiac]

Help

[queen harness]

the whole team. =gitgud

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[viral jolt]

Day 1 account any suggestions on team comps to push ?

[hazy portal]

Stuck on 16-16, tried every formation any suggestions please?

[queen harness]

Atheus, Daimon/Naroko, ASaf, Vika, Villanelle/Palmer ig. Put Ivan in when u get him

[queen harness]

Remove Rowan and Palmer, put in Lyca and Atheus/Thoran

Put Rem in backline as well

[hazy portal]

it worked thank you=)

[long terrace]

Can't do it. Tried various positions for heroes. Any tips ?

Or am I just basically screwed for now and need to wait for more points for few days since I dont have any stronger/different heroes ?

[queen harness]

e60 kalth? and yes

[long terrace]

I've maxed him

These are default spires champions.

[queen harness]

pic says otherwise, but if you say so... show heroes u can put in roster

ah lmao u dont have engrave unlocked... ill assume u dont have lv201 rc

[long terrace]

That's the event, bud. As yo can see on the pic. And I maxed whatever I could. I can do the engraving at stage 20ish

[queen harness]

if u say so... just do what you said - wait more days til u get all runes maxed

Probably wont help alot if ur team is just the given heroes. Maybe try following the guide on that that is pinned on #classic-questions

[plain marsh]

Hi - new player looking for lineup help based on what I currently have. Primarily campaign focused at the moment. I took out Aurelia as she is a time limited hero. - In looking through the thread, one thought looks to be to stop Leveling Palmer and spend the rescources on Jerome.

[queen harness]

Nope, level Wukong instead. Hes good until lv100 and then you'll need another carry

[fading quiver]

I keep leveling up the most random heroes when i start a new acc it's just fun to try

[fast willow]

should I rather go for awakend lyca or awakend Belinda?

[gritty mortar]

Make my team pls

[queen harness]

Thoran, Bronn, Rowan, Silas, Daemia ig

[queen harness]

Nahhhh f that, I like fast clears so I just level up the best hero I get when I start on a new server

[cedar mountain]

Hey guys just started this account, what do y’all recommend for a line up ? Who to focus on?

[queen harness]

Literally just read the =guide and read stuff on #faq-resources or stuff pinned in #classic-questions

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[carmine crown]

@queen harness so this was the team you suggested right?

[rain orbit]

Hello there! I reached 31-4 two days ago and am now stuck there, do you have any ideas of what teams I could make with what I own?
For now I've tried going with:

• team 1: thoran/grezhul, atheus, simona, palmer, ivan
• team 2: naroko, A shemira, jerome, scarlet, villanelle/misha/A lyca

[queen harness]

Swap Thoran and Ivans places, but yea thats all you need till ch31 - it can vary in some stages but team should look like that pretty much

[queen harness]

You dont use Rem???

Grezhul is pretty much useless in every way - Brutus is a better alternative.
Dont use Palmer - so you can use Rem and cos hes awful in campaign -- you can use Tamrus instead
Your Scarlet is way too small and even if she is built, she's also bad everywhere except in faction tower and NC (sub for Abel) - use Lyca (not ALyca)
Villanelle/Misha/ALyca are all bad, they'll just die in a few seconds so they're all a waste of slot - Use Nara or something, just not them.

You cant really make 2 good teams without making 1 bad team cos your box is pretty bad due to all the wasted fodders. You can maybe try copying other players comps or get an idea from them... I'd just get Lv240 RC rn to compensate for bad box or invest in Jerome or something - he cant work as a frontliner/buffer at that ascension

Ah you dont have 201 RC yet so Tamrus will also be kinda useless...

[ripe crest]

I agree with everything except the villa comment. I actually still use her every campaign fight at the exact same invest. Mostly in ashem team but sometimes even subbed out mehira for her in lib team specifically if I need the charmer to last longer and mehira is getting 1hko every time. She's surprisingly sturdy

[queen harness]

Yeaa iknow shes useful in Ashem but his isnt built yet, he can use it as a supp there when his Ashem is built. Vill is really useless for him rn, though thank u for pointing that out

[rain orbit]

Alright, thanks!

Also nope, I indeed don't use Rem that much, I guess that's more of a me issue but she doesn't work that well on my side so far (I've tried using her in the past but she doesn't carry nearly as well as what I could see from other players' fights)

[queen harness]

Thats support issue, she works as usual if you give her supports to keep her alive. You dont really have another carry so not using her is just a bad decision

[rain orbit]

Thanks for your answers :)
Also, what would be good supports for Rem?

[carmine crown]

Ok tnx

[river shard]

Need help in creating a campaign focus line up. I will focus all resources to that 5 heroes. I am now at 3-20 and the guy at level65 is carrying me.

[queen harness]

Just use Wukong, Eorin (ig), Silas, Palmer, Thoran - Eorin will fall off earlier than Wukong who can carry up to ch7 (or 8)

[queen harness]

Hmmm... Emilia, Raine (somehow), Daemia, Lyca, Nara, (supports) -- Jerome, Ashem, Brutus, Thoran, Atheus (tanks). Just use whoever is available and who works best ig. Experiment with them cos theres no right answer - these are just what I've seen and used alongside her, there may be more I forgot to mention

[river shard]

These 5 then. Thanks

[rain orbit]

Thanks!

[queen harness]

You can put Ivan or Palmer in middle so they can heal others more. Eorin teleports to strongest enemy at start so he can be placed in any position. When Eorin falls off you can reset him and level up Wukong instead

[river shard]

Got it. I might need a better healer later on. But this is good for now, thanks for helping.

[queen harness]

Those 2 are like one of the better healers in the game. They both suck in campaign though where healing does nothing when enemies just 1 shot your heroes. Anyway, gl with campaign ig. Do Towers and Peaks of Time when u can

[river shard]

Also, since I am still at the beginning stages of the game, I think it's better to use my diamonds to summon right? To get more heroes?

[queen harness]

Yeep do that until you have 15 A heroes

[river shard]

A heroes? You mean elite?

[queen harness]

Ascended heroes (white border) and yes they're Elite or Ascended Tier heroes

[river shard]

Got it, thanks.

[upbeat wadi]

How do I beat this lineup?

[lime python]

I fear that everyone I own is trash and im stuck on everything

Who here is viable

[queen harness]

Thoran, Lyca and Eorin. Get the free Wukong from the event* and he'll carry u til he cant. Also, read the =guide

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[lime python]

Thx

[elfin zealot]

I suppose this is more of a lineup question, It may be the case that my units are too low lvl, but Rem is dying too fast before Ivan's shield can reproc, can I substitute my comp in any better way?

[cold swift]

Click formations on the bottom right and copy what other people used, some stages might take a while but you can definitely clear it with Rem + Ivan. Replace Jerome with Brutus and move heroes around a bit. Replace Palmer with something like Lyca/Nara

[ripe crest]

Lucius and Belinda 🤦 . You're so early might want to just =restarting and actually read the guide this time. Criminal waste of an early entire L+ worth of LB fodder. Thoran is also a bad one but not quite as bad

[cloud nexus]

Read this thread to determine if your account is restart worthy:

https://discord.com/channels/441477431501783060/1098437930919395388

[lime python]

The account is over 3 years old lmao I just stopped playing it like a day in and I didn't have a clue what to do back then so I've already restarted today

I was away for over 900 days apparently

And im in the discord now lmao and read the guides lol

[viscid orbit]

what is bet Abelinda team comp? (pvp)

[terse lintel]

Any recommendations on who or what to us in order to counter this team?

[lime python]

Just pray?

[river shard]

I guess I will be using the legend? For compaign lineup.

[queen harness]

yeep, thats lucky nice

use him instead of Wukong or Eorin. level him up to however high u can

[river shard]

Got it.

[queen harness]

oh just noticed you have 7 heroes levelled up. You can reset 2 of them to get the resources u spent on them. you only need to level up 5 heroes, the others can be put in RC

[river shard]

Which should i focus on?

[queen harness]

levelling heroes evenly early on is also just bad. you want to level up your carry (AEironn) 20 to 40 levels higher than the rest

[river shard]

Is scarlet even viable?

[queen harness]

in faction tower but anywhere else no. shes a bad invest

[river shard]

How about skriath?

I wanna focus more on campaign first.

[queen harness]

Also a no. Maulers are bad in general, theres only 2 good non awakened mauler - Naroko and Villanelle

[river shard]

Its gonna be this team then

[queen harness]

Looks good. Just level up AEironn, he'll carry you until u get Rem

[river shard]

Is that the correct formation? Or should I swap him with wukong?

[queen harness]

you can do that and replace Wukong with Lyca. you dont really need Wukong there (another carry) its a waste of slot

[river shard]

Got it, reset wukong and use Lyca.

[queen harness]

yeep. just stick with that team, all you need to do is level up AEironn and u can push

[river shard]

Oh and who should i place in the resonating crystal?

[queen harness]

no one really worth putting in there (atm)

[tough bear]

Any suggestions for legends formations?

[queen harness]

cant really help if you dont send your box

just focus on 2 teams whether you have small or big box ig

[gaunt rose]

is there any heroes i can replace for twins on TR guys?

[queen harness]

depends on the boss and your box

[gaunt rose]

idre/grotesque mage

i have try heroes from leaderboard but cant work like it

[queen harness]

I just used Athal, Jerome, Lib, Palmer, Daemia. You cant auto it, you have to use ults manually

I did 200B+ dmg at floor 404. Strat is wait til 1:10 then use* Dae ult, 1:08 press auto and turn it off then wait for 1:03 something then press auto again and this time keep it on

strat may differ if you're on lower or higher floors. just watch the replay of the top 1 to 3 dudes and see how they used ults

[gaunt rose]

how the beast master?

[queen harness]

Same comp but use Talismane pet. Auto is fine

oh nvm I also used Talismane pet in Grotesque Mage

[queen harness]

its the same comp if you mean Dimensional Brute or something

[gaunt rose]

i see , i'll try it first after this

[old oracle]

Hi guys, new player here, which faction should i use the faction scroll on? And is there a recommend wishlist?

[grand perch]

Hello @old oracle,

Please check out the pinned messages/guides in the #classic-questions and #lineup-help channels.

[gaunt rose]

i cant understand how auto work while i watch replay

[queen harness]

=guide for the wishlist and use scrolls on gb

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[old oracle]

Thank you

[queen harness]

just observe at what time did they use what ult. you can easily differentiate auto ult and manual ult cos u can see the heroes energy bar below their health

[gaunt rose]

ahh okee let me try it

[queen harness]

ofc you'll need similar invest to their heroes otherwise it may not work

[gaunt rose]

okayyy , thanks btw master

[queen harness]

im no master but thank you and np :>

[obtuse pine]

whos Si30 do i get next?

[grizzled mulch]

Shuna, Tamrus and Rimuru shining like bright stars

[queen harness]

id get Shuna and Emi but id use dim stones from lab for those

[obtuse pine]

🙏

[grizzled mulch]

Oh wait, SI, not engrave my bad, let me scan over

[obtuse pine]

im just waiting for Aathlia and lucila to get to 1 star

[grizzled mulch]

Personally thinking Shuna still, then Palmer-> Emilia. Meta shifting pretty hard so I suppose Emilia second isn’t a bad idea tho. Depends on what you trying to do. TS I’d recommend Emilia for second after Shuna

[obtuse pine]

aight

[obtuse pine]

i could probably get away with upgrading one of them to e30 while i wait for aAthlia

[grizzled mulch]

If you’re going to wait for them, save to 600 red chests and then any after 600 put into Shuna and so forth

Like 601-900

[obtuse pine]

i already sent it 💀

[grizzled mulch]

See I’m confusing myself with e30 and si30 a lot rn cause I’m extra tired lmao

[obtuse pine]

lol

[grizzled mulch]

How many copies outside of M+ Aathalia you have?

[obtuse pine]

one but i have 9 time thingies + im a beiver of gettinga double roll soon (not copium)

i should be getting pity within 1 to 2 10 rolls

[grizzled mulch]

Thinking if you milk Temporal Rift for all the TG you should have her ascended by the time 300 floors open

So it keeping that in mind you have a few weeks to get more e30 shards as it’s not impossible to get e30 in like 2 weeks

[obtuse pine]

i only have 4 TG left to buy

[obtuse pine]

yea and plus i have a heap of temporal chests

[grizzled mulch]

Usually use those chest for bait and nothing else

[obtuse pine]

alr

[grizzled mulch]

Only recommend red chests or cores based on if you only need to open one chest to get the total needed for whatever you’re using it for

So like if you get 25 red chests from a single temp chest, only do the 25 instead of bait, if that 25 getting you from 275 to 300 chests total for like SI30

[obtuse pine]

ah i see

out of tam, shuna or rim whos first priority?

[grizzled mulch]

Shuna

Tamrus personally I’d say is fine at 203e30 because Tam only really needs to live long enough to pull enemies all together

Longest time I had him at 203e30 and he worked perfectly fine

Shuna and Rim need more investment to do their part being honest from my pov

[obtuse pine]

sweet

thanks so much

[grizzled mulch]

No problem

[obtuse pine]

also is there a dim tower?

[grizzled mulch]

Draconis tower most likely

[obtuse pine]

https://tenor.com/view/crying-cry-spongebob-squarepants-gif-13191010122088454973

[grizzled mulch]

Probably dropping with new Dragon releasing

[obtuse pine]

man i do not like dragonics

[grizzled mulch]

I came back 4 months after the release of them so I’m a bits behind on them personally

Not doing bad tho. Have ascended Nyla currently like everyone else 😂

[obtuse pine]

i do not...

[grizzled mulch]

Everyone else around my level I suppose lmao

[obtuse pine]

yea na i cannot afford anything rn, stargazingm time gazing, regular pulls im broke 😭

[grizzled mulch]

Same honestly

Got loads of engrave cores and shards tho

[fading quiver]

Gimme that

[grizzled mulch]

I got 8700 yellow shards

Only a few hundred plus for e60

🥺

[fickle forum]

this cloud is there since forever, and I've been playing for 4 years, don't have expectations my guy

[obtuse pine]

https://tenor.com/view/ryan-gosling-blade-runner2049-defeat-sad-disappointed-gif-17817916

[potent badge]

Lolz . Never say never. Some companies are just super slow and bringing things to the game . 😂

[desert whale]

they don't want to, a new dim tower will give people alot of SGs/TEs

[potent badge]

But we do need more

[desert whale]

they don't care, a new DM tower will lower their sales

[potent badge]

Not really. Those that spend will spend regardless I find

[dusk pier]

I’m having some difficulty with floor 24 on the lost spire, I’m trying to use as many good healers to keep the water spirit healthy (primarily with a 1 copy ASolise) but its not doing enough, and the enemy Tamrus is causing me headaches

(Ignore the Izold)

[ripe crest]

I don't know that I can ignore the izold lol

[dusk pier]

Why a "maxxed" Izold is a totally optimal decision and not at all a silly use of resources

[ripe crest]

Is there any chance you can get those last 2 libs for his star?

[dusk pier]

I dont have a lot in the ways of Stargazer but I am working towards giving em 1 star

[ripe crest]

hm ok. so for me I maxed all the runes and then used roxstas comp but put lib in where asol was. I didn't worry about healing at all and just let lib and kalthin rip them apart. Idk if that works without libs e60 but could try if you're stuck. 9f is still a great boost since his main way of hurting htem is his ult splitting theri HP and his 9f improves that

[dusk pier]

what is the roxtas comp?

[ripe crest]

also I shoul dnote tht not all healers work. Most do not heal the water spirit. I would guess misha does not since she does targetted heals and I think that's what fails. I don't know about silas, haven't heard him mentioned before in spire. Numisu does heal the spirit though

[ripe crest]

From pins in #classic-questions : #classic-questions message

[dusk pier]

I used Nevanthi, ASolise and Mishka for Floor 23 and that seemed to have broken through

[ripe crest]

If you are managing to get good heals on the spirit then maybe just cut atheus for kalthin. Kalthin is extremely good beause his execute kills them instantly when the criteria are met even if no one is really able to hurt them much. Atheus isn't a healer or a dps so I'm not sure if he's helping much

[dusk pier]

Iirc I didnt even use Atheus in floor 23 but thought they could keep Tamrus from messing with ASolise

[ripe crest]

well tamrus kind of jumps over the frontline and pulls everyone together so idk if that'll do what you want. Kalthin pulls everyone towards him so he might be better at that too if that's a problem you're having

[dusk pier]

That worked! But I think I just need to pay a bit more attention to the actual mechanics lol

Totally didnt go through 23 of the floors without realizing I could directly enhance the characters

[valid karma]

Can I get some help for campaign teams? Currently stuck on 32-24.

[twilit roost]

Try use ivan Bert tamus Atheus on first and jerome rem emi for second
277RC should be crushing chap32

[valid karma]

thank you

[gray crown]

should I change one of my crystal for daimon ? I just got her and I'm stuck at 7-16

I'm real close to unlocking the 4th slot and was thinking of daimon but I got no real heal or good tanking too so should I switch it up ?

[gray crown]

and I just pulled pipa if she's a good option

[desert whale]

buy RC slots until it costs more than 800 for now, you will need to buy alot of slots eventually anyways, you can use atheus and daimon, you just need to spam the stage until u clear it

[gray crown]

won't that up the cost of essence also ? or are the two cost not linked to the total number of slots but to the number of slots unlocked with each type of currency ?

[desert whale]

no it doesn't iirc, you can check it ur self anyways

[gray crown]

you're right it doesn't, thanks ! 👍

[queen harness]

slots shouldnt be needed early on (be bought with dias), if you know what you're doing that is

[gray crown]

I started playing very recently so I don't really know what I'm doing

[serene moss]

If I were you, I'd just ignore daimon. Hhhaaahahahahhahaa

[queen harness]

just follow the guide and =gitgud. anyone outside of that isnt worth it (atleast early on)

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[west bronze]

Lineup

[viral jolt]

Stuck on this stage need help with team comp or do I simply need to wait untill I have resources to level

[rocky trench]

could someone help me with a line up im stuck in ch23 i just got myth bellinda idk if shes ok to use at legendary

[serene ferry]

Can you grit shemira?

[mossy field]

i would restart

[ripe crest]

Oof. =Restarting . And read the part of the guide about not wasting fodder cause you def did a whole lot of that

[cloud nexus]

Read this thread to determine if your account is restart worthy:

https://discord.com/channels/441477431501783060/1098437930919395388

[gray crown]

Ok thanks !

[stoic sun]

Can’t beat 4 or 3* 3

[quaint kiln]

Help pls. Lost spire 19

[molten panther]

Need help for a general KT lineup, currently usinf ashem atheus ivan rem shuna, but it feels weird

[queen harness]

just use whatever that works. Its KT, whatever works works. You're gonna have to use top 5 strongest heroes when u reach powercap

[queen harness]

you're doomed if you have a small box - lib not built and no dae. just give up, its not meant to be beaten with a box like that. You could try to find a clear with a box similar to yours but I doubt theres one

[river shard]

Ivan better than Silas? I just got Ivan. Currently at 8-9

[wary vapor]

yes ivan is the best

[viral jolt]

Need help to make a 2 team lineup and yes I have grit available if needed but no dimensional keys yet

[hazy portal]

hardstuck at CH-19, any suggestions please?

[noble elm]

How built do I need Ezio to put him in a pvp comp w/ Alna/Rem/Daemia/aLyca?

[queen harness]

9f needed

[queen harness]

Brutus or Atheus (if u have him) instead of ABrutus. You could also just copy others by clicking 'Formations' in bottom right of battle screen

[woeful saddle]

Whats the max damage team people are using for the lost spire😧

[viral jolt]

Someone please give some recommendations 🙏

[twilit roost]

Usually you use jerome rem for team 1 and ivan simona for team 2, currently your box and lvl do not support you to push chap 31
You could easily push through chap 31 when you have :
lvl220 of your hero
si30 ivan
A si20 simona
For the grit thing, could you show your box by fraction so we can know the exact amount of units you own to make better decision

[viral jolt]

i could do the box thing right now

and my ivan has si30 already but ill build simona next

[twilit roost]

imo you could grit daimon to jerome now, or wait until last day of grit event to see which meta 4f units you lack

eventually you want grit shemira to someone else when you get another 1* hero to link with your rem

[viral jolt]

sweet ill do that and where do i find all the meta 4f units

[twilit roost]

=heroprio

[cloud nexus]

A Guide for Priority Heroes:

https://discord.com/channels/441477431501783060/994905429614264360

[twilit roost]

This better =wishlist

[cloud nexus]

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[grave robin]

I'm looking for someone, who is experienced, to help me get back to the game, I had a break, kinda lost sight on what should I focus on etc. Would be the best if we could talk in DM's, because I have a lot to ask..

[desert whale]

everything you need to know is in #faq-resources you should make a new account

[grave robin]

I dont want to make a new account, thank you

[river shard]

I can add 5 heroes in resonating crystal. Any suggestions?

[serene moss]

Help pls

[queen harness]

Idk if u already got answered but just put heroes you'll use in campaign on there, so Brutus, Thoran, Atheus, Ivan, Lyca and Nara. You want the 5 heroes levelled up to be fodders.

I see you already made the first of the many L heroes you'll make if you dont read and apply the =guide. Just follow the thing and you'll be good.

About the heroes you'll want to put in RC in the future : Ask yourself, what do I need rn? A mauler carry? If so then put Naroko. A support for somewhere? Then put Palmer. These are just examples of course. You'll learn the meta heroes just by playing and observing what other players built

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[river shard]

I am planning to reset Lyca and put her in Resonating Crystal. So that I can free up more resources and level up Eironn.

[serene moss]

yes do that, transfer her level to palmer.

[ripe crest]

you know you can't use weiron and eiron in the same team right?

[river shard]

Yes

[ripe crest]

Ok next question, why do you not have any L+ fodder? your people are basically at the cap for their ascension. L+ fodders can go up to 160 though. At this point you should most likely have 4 L+ fodder and 1 legendary on the podium with everyone else you use on RC

you screwed up palmer unfortunately but that's not the end of the world. Since you haven't wasted any other fodder it seems like you should be able to make some L+s no?

[river shard]

I really have no excuse on Palmer, that's a big mistake on my part. Guess I have to summon more to get more fodders

[ripe crest]

oh just not enough yet. ok no worries then. L cap is 140, E+ cap is 120, and E cap is 100. So try to make some soon and as you do probably swap resources over. If you have 2 E+s of a particular fodder you can move resources from ivan, lyca and atheus over to them now since you know which particular fodder you'll ascend when you can and swap those 3 to rc. Since those 3 are capped and E+s can go higher

btw just as a general rule of thumb, don't make fodders E unless you can make them E+. Since then you can get stuck waiting for a particular fodder to progress

[river shard]

Good thing I can get 100% of the resources back. I just need to be careful of ascending. Now, I would just stop at 100 haha. Hopefully I can E+ Ivan. I want to L Ivan since I see almost everyone using him.

And yes, I need to be careful with fodders E. I will only E+ them if i get them always in summoning

So for now, I just need to progress in campaign and summon more

[ripe crest]

L anything should not be on your wishlist. It doesn't matter who they are. It's a completely meaningless ascension tier, makes no difference. If you get 4 copies of ivan and have an L+ fodder and 2 E+s fodders then make him mythic. Until you have all that don't ascend ivan at all

ivan is also a special case where mythic is a desired target. For almost everyone else leave them at E/E+ until you have 8 copies, 2 L+ fodders and 2 E+ fodders to take them straight to ascended without stopping between

[river shard]

Right. I need to have more copies of the hero for it to be really viable.

[ripe crest]

The only heroes that should spend any meaningful length of time at L+ are fodders since that's their max ascension. And the only heroes that should spend any meaningful length of time at L are wokes since that's their base ascension. If anyone else is hanging out at either L or L+ its a mistake. At least in early game

[distant nymph]

Please help

[wraith granite]

How much space you got in the resonating crystal

You got a bunch of other teams you could be trying out

[still imp]

two teams for campaign? ch32-4

[gentle crescent]

simona ivan and rem emilia (+ other tanks maybe) worked pretty nicely for me : D

[still imp]

struggling

[distant nymph]

5

[astral dragon]

you dont have rem yet?

[distant nymph]

No. Should I have her by now? I started 4 days back

[astral dragon]

yea def

have you not been doing arcane labyrinth?

[distant nymph]

No I did it twice

[astral dragon]

how many dim stones have you exchanged for

[distant nymph]

0

[astral dragon]

how many can you get rn

[distant nymph]

I don't think I have Rem

[astral dragon]

[ripe crest]

=garrison

[cloud nexus]

What is Garrison?

https://discord.com/channels/441477431501783060/994912202375049256

[queen harness]

You could just use the libcharm since u already have m30 lib. Just replace Emi and Simona with another tank and mehira and u should be good

Also, you should have it fight the weaker team cos its much easier (duh)

[silent mason]

Can’t get past stage 19 in The Lost Spire event. All heroes are fully maxed and runes are maxed

[wary vapor]

you can add more heroes of ur own

[silent mason]

REM is my strongest hero no star ascended so not better than the default ones

[ripe crest]

Do you have at least m numisu? Silas might also work?

Asol is the cheat code. Lib with maxed runes is the other cheat code. If you don't have either of those it may be impossible but can try going heavy healer. Not all healers heal the spirit though. Numisu does and generally just needs his si. Silas might also work, heard him mentioned before but not sure

[queen harness]

just give up if u have a small box

[silent mason]

Yea dont got either of those, tried silas couldnt kill them. whatevs thanks

[wary vapor]

#classic-questions message

#classic-questions message

two other options ^

[queen harness]

ah yes, Ivan and Ashem/Simona which he definitely has

is it has or have? whatever ig

[wary vapor]

uh why would he not have them

[queen harness]

too small box

im just assuming this ofc, he hasnt really shown his box

[silent mason]

Yea dont have those either

[wary vapor]

how old is ur account

if it's relatively new you should be able to get a few ascended heroes fairly quickly

[silent mason]

been playing for a about a month

have ivan and rem only ascended

[queen harness]

so u CAN put Ivan in roster

he should help out a bit, you can replace Skriath or Anoki

[wary vapor]

how do u have only 2 A heroes in a month

[silent mason]

okk i will try ivan rn. Like 20 days

[queen harness]

show box

[queen harness]

actually quite good. i was expecting a whole lot of mistakes

but yea, u cant really go past floor19 with that box - just give up ig

[silent mason]

yea i cant kill them whatevs

[queen harness]

yeep, best strat for small box is Lib + Dae or even just Ivan+Kalth and Dae

just try again next time when u have a much bigger box

[quartz dagger]

Why cant i pass 10 - 10 any advice?

Is emilia or rem better?

[queen harness]

rem

[queen harness]

read the =guide and fix your comp

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[queen harness]

if u show your box i can help with comp or just follow =gitgud or try to copy others

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[quartz dagger]

I just started so its kinda bad hehe

[queen harness]

u can use Brutus instead of Naroko and Lyca instead of Lib. You can level up DGwyn to lv140, should make clears easier

[quartz dagger]

Ah okayy tyy

[queen harness]

you should =garrison Rem asap. oh and you can use Ivan instead of Palmer if u have him or when u get him

[cloud nexus]

What is Garrison?

https://discord.com/channels/441477431501783060/994912202375049256

[quartz dagger]

Okayyy tysmm

[queen harness]

when you get Rem you can replace DGwyn with her. the comp : Brutus, Thoran/Atheus, Ivan, Rem, Lyca/Nara is usable until ch31. you just need to level Rem and Ivan to lv200 - you need them at M+ - the others can stay at lv160 or L+

[quartz dagger]

I ACTUALLY PASSED IT??

[quartz dagger]

ok2 tysmm

[queen harness]

thats good, it was just a comp diff since u have low level deficit (9 levels)

[glass kernel]

Stuck on stage 23 in lost spire

[queen harness]

Put Daemia in if you have her, replace Lucius with Ivan as well

[hazy portal]

stuck at 23-60 athalia oneshots everyone any suggestions?

[queen harness]

click 'Formations' in bottom right and copy whatever. if their levels are lower then its possible, if its higher then just copy their levels as well

[glass kernel]

Ty I swapped Lucius with Ivan and liberta with simona

[queen harness]

whatever works ig

[viral jolt]

I need to make 2 teams help a brother out

[desert whale]

R u ch31-4?

[viral jolt]

just reached chapter 30-42 so im close

[astral dragon]

grit daimon with jerome, ascend simona and then do

Team 1: Rem Jerome + other support
Team 2: Simona Ivan + other support

[viral jolt]

i can use that looks good too

[desert whale]

this is the second team, for the first use rem jerome rowan and whatever else you can salvage

[viral jolt]

would adding palmer work for the rem team or no point?

[desert whale]

yes he good add him

[viral jolt]

then someone like naroko or brutus or thoran as a tank ?

[desert whale]

ashem might be possible too

[viral jolt]

oh true forgot about her for a sec

[desert whale]

just take a look at formations tab and fill in the gabs

if you ever see abel just replace with simona

i recommend 2 T3 gear for simona minimum to make this work, same could be said for rem

[viral jolt]

sweet cheers and does the palmer, jerome,ashem, rowan and rem layout matter ik rem should stay at back but what about others

[desert whale]

depends on stage but rowan and palmer needs to be positioned around rem, you should use the positioning you find in formation tab tho

[undone pasture]

Any team ideas? Tried many comps nothing works

[queen harness]

Cant believe im saying this to an older player but click 'Formations' in bottom right and copy whatever

[undone pasture]

oh didnt knew this was a thing in single battles lol my teams always used to work even at huge defficit but dam this one

[fierce linden]

What lineup do you recommend for floor 25 of the lost spire?

[kind charm]

I saw Alyca Rosaline Palmer lavatune and daemia

[clever seal]

Shit I posted my lineup in questions because I didnt see this tab

feedback is appreciated :) Teams 3 and 4 are the ones struggling the most

[toxic river]

Any thoughts or suggestions considering what I have?

[twilit roost]

for the liberta team you can use
Bert mehira/Lan to permanently control the enemy, it save up top tier support so you can clear stage by your team 3 easier

[twilit roost]

remove Oden and jerome, place lyca/villanelle+thoran/brutus/Atheus instead

[twilit roost]

Also link rem to bronn, get her to si20 and she should work much better than bronn

[toxic river]

would you suggest that same team for rem or should i use more healing for her?

[twilit roost]

just replace bronn with rem, for me I would use Ashem thoran rem lyca villanelle in this stage

[regal imp]

Who should I take out for rem

[ripe crest]

anyone besides ivan

[clever seal]

I don't have Mehira sadly. Any replacements ?

[fading quiver]

Not really, you can try vill but she's not as good as mehira

Get a copy of her from sg she's a prio for one copy anyways, for unlocking the collection and for this comp

[fading quiver]

Take out liberta he's mostly getting one shot without doing anything

Use lyca and link rem to palmer and take out palmer too

[clever seal]

I forgot about it and I used everything for Daemia

[fading quiver]

Well she's needed one copy too so it's no big deal

[regal imp]

Who’s lyca

[regal imp]

Ok

[silent briar]

Just got back to the game after not touching it for probably 2 years and could use some suggestions for where I'm stuck at in the campaign

[obtuse wren]

Have you thought about =restarting ?

[cloud nexus]

Read this thread to determine if your account is restart worthy:

https://discord.com/channels/441477431501783060/1098437930919395388

[obtuse wren]

You're going to be pretty far behind everyone in your server after being away for 2 years.

People usually breeze through the first 30 or so chapters in the campaign in the first week or two by following the pinned guides in the #classic-questions channel

[obtuse wren]

Hi @queen harness !

[queen harness]

Ellow, just with what u said :>

[obtuse wren]

Ohhhh ok I understand now lol

[silent briar]

is the restart just jumping on a new server?

[obtuse wren]

Yup!

[silent briar]

Oh well, might as well at this point

[obtuse wren]

Highly recommend!

[queen harness]

You dont even got a choice, you're doomed if u stay

[silent briar]

oof

[obtuse wren]

If you haven't already, check out the Noob Survival guide
#classic-questions message

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[queen harness]

And the guides on #faq-resources . You should really only need the left parts of the =guide early on though

[fading quiver]

You can't even enjoy your acc at this point

[obtuse wren]

Think of it like this. Every server is like a meal. There will be those that eat quickly by spending money. There will be those that take their time, but don't get as much food. Then there's people that don't sit down to eat until 2 years later and there's no food left.

[silent briar]

lmao I get it

[obtuse wren]

Lol kk

[silent briar]

I actually already restarted a little bit but I remembered where I was at before I stopped and was wondering about continuing it or if I shoulda just restart

[fading quiver]

This is Some real shit right here, well said

[obtuse wren]

[serene moss]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/565578751715573770/1285090288402038846/Trez-Yap.gif

[sterile parcel]

Need some help to form 5th comp the one ive is too weak shd i try jus build aathalia for my last comp dps

The last pic is wrong

[fading quiver]

Is it me or your box is some sort of small or short on ascendeds

[fading quiver]

Mostly because Abel is never good at L without ivan try giving ivan to her and switch some heroes from each team to make it work without needing ivan in one of those 4 teams

[vapid wedge]

Can someone help me, I’m super new to the game and have some characters levelled - but I’m not sure if I’m missing out on not using someone, and I also have no idea who to use as my DPS/carry 😅

I’m on chapter 4 btw

[queen harness]

Dont use Abel if you got Hild built, they do the same thing (not). You can try the Cheese for a 5th team while u still dont have Awthal built or just try random bs go

[queen harness]

Wukong can solo up to ch7 or 8 but you can use Brutus, Daimon(carry), Ivan, Palmer, Vika ig. Since Daimon is your carry, you want him to be 20-40 levels higher than the rest.

Read the =guide if you havent yet

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[queen harness]

Copy the wishlist in that guide cos the one u have is bad - assuming this from the heroes u got rn

[vapid wedge]

Okay, that’s super helpful, thank you! Should I focus on Wukong or Daimon then? Or does it really matter at my level

[vapid wedge]

100% will do, it does look a bit different to mine currently - I think I might have got an old one lol

[queen harness]

Both will work early on and both will fall off after a while but Daimon will fall off later than Wukong. Id use Daimon if I were you though (best boi rip)

[vapid wedge]

Tysm! I’ll do just that 🙂

[queen harness]

Yeaaa, Raku, Eironn, Kelthur, Ferael, Kalene are all bad now or never was good. You can keep Raku in imo since u already have 3 copies of him. You can just grit him away later to someone much better

Speaking of Grit, you should try to save it until the last week. You can use 1 just to get Ivan copies if you get unlucky with pulling him. Grit is unlocked at ch10 :>

[vapid wedge]

Understood! I’ve never even heard of grit, so still a bit away for me. I’ll keep an eye out for it though!

[queen harness]

Yeeep goodluck man (or woman) and have fun ig

[vapid wedge]

@queen harness Tysm! Loving it at the moment so super excited to keep progressing 😁

[queen harness]

Progression will slow down for a bit then go extremely bonkers when u get Rem. That phase is the most fun imo :>>. You'll get what I mean when you get there

[fading quiver]

What phase? Rem?

[fading quiver]

https://tenor.com/view/how-do-we-tell-him-mr-krabs-spongebob-meme-spongebob-meme-gif-24063814

[vapid wedge]

Oh god…I feel like I’ve missed something hahaha

[fading quiver]

You didn't, don't worry I'm just trolling here, have fun and enjoy

[vapid wedge]

[sterile parcel]

Oh unfortunately my simona kinda needs it but dyt i shd continue building abel or go aathalia

[sterile parcel]

My hild mostly jus for cc ig ill have to wait n build a btr dps for 5th comp

[queen harness]

Around ch16-31, games really fun cos Rem just 1 taps everyone then

You have 30930 Hild so he may just be CC like u say. Pair him up with Ivan and Seal or even just Ivan and he'll deal dmg (Seal would do more though but yours is kinda small) meant to reply

[fading quiver]

Nah i gotta argue with this, you'll get bored and pissed off easily because you'll be stuck with the same hero and same formation for like 15-18 chapters and it's sometimes heavy rng reliable this is just hell, i like chapters before 18 personally, because you get to try whatever formations you like and try whatever heroes you love it feels like you're at the very end game and have all heroes built and just trying some random stuff to see how it works

But yea at the end, we have different perspectives for joy

[fading quiver]

I didn't pay attention to his heroes XD, hild can be a sole carry with Ivan i still use him till this day

[queen harness]

Tbf if my brain sees "speed" it goes oonga boonga, but yeaa, hundreds of stages watching Rem beat the sh out of everyone is not as fun - pretty fun for me though cos of Auto Battle and 4x speed

[queen harness]

Bros busted frfr, he can perma CC Flora (when paired with other CC heroes ofc) and not let her fly

[fading quiver]

Oh I don't argue with this, i had my rem 30960 just so she always oonga bonga everyone at ease lol

[fading quiver]

He's solid, im waiting for his star to 40960 him and he'll be a unit

[fading quiver]

I use ashem team and rem team against double flora

[queen harness]

Si30 ... Shes just a subdps for me now, Aathal+Dae has to carry AlnaRem, she still does quite a bit though. She'd be main dos but im too lazy to find a comp that works without Aathal

[fading quiver]

Yeah my acc is cursed

I have e60 rem and Emilia and oden is 50

Amma e60 him and swap him next swap event

[queen harness]

Take them to max just for the sake of it if account is really bricked

[queen harness]

In 6 months ur gonna be stuck with a xxx60 oden for 6 months(more or less) lmao

[fading quiver]

It's ok i already did Ashem dae Lib and rn working on Watha

[queen harness]

Lets just say its a 'Long term investment'

[fading quiver]

Basically

[gray crown]

Who should I RC ? And also is it too early to be thinking about grit ?

[cedar mountain]

Any line up recommendations?

[obtuse wren]

It's generally better to wait to use your grits until the event is almost over. That way you can eliminate your rng as much as possible.

[gray crown]

I see, and any particular hero to RC that could help me ? I'm at chapter 18 and progressing at a good pace with rem but most of my other hero just die too quickly except for tanks

[obtuse wren]

Rem/Ivan is the golden duo and when leveled appropriately should carry you to at least ch 31. #classic-questions message

[gray crown]

I followed that but I feel like since chapter 16 if I don't have two tank in front whatever I place next to the tank get killed instantly and even most support at the back can barely cast one skill before dying. But I'll try Lyca and Naroko even tho I only have one copy

Or maybe Rowan and Raine would be a better pick since I have an E+ copy of them ?

[obtuse wren]

E/E+ isn't going to matter too much that early. Have you been following the noob survival guide?

[gray crown]

I'm trying to follow everything I read in faq-ressource and in the question pins but it's a lot ^^

[obtuse wren]

Have you been following the noob survival guide?

[obtuse wren]

Yea for sure

Maybe try Atheus, Jerome, Ivan, Palmer, Rem?

[gray crown]

That's one of the lineup I've been running but I was more curious to know if everyone except Rem/Ivan dying instantly was normal. With enough tries I always manage to get Rem to ult which is an almost guaranteed win but I was feeling like the rest of the lineup didn't really matter

[obtuse wren]

Yea it's pretty normal. It's just Rem/Ivan all the way

[gray crown]

I see ^^ thanks for the info 👍

[queen harness]

please dont recommend Jerome or Palmer when they have a much better alternative - Brutus/Thoran as tanks instead of Jerome and Lyca/Nara as supp/flex supp instead of Palmer

[wary vapor]

🗣️

[queen harness]

what do you meeeean

I'm out here speaking facts frfr

[river shard]

All main heroes died in labyrinth. I shouldnt have went to the hard one lmao

[fading quiver]

You should always merc a watha on dismal when celestials faction is allowed

And on other factions Alucuis/Ashem/Alyca are the best options when celestial faction is closed

[river shard]

Are you referring to the short-term mercenaries? Sorry newbie here.

[fading quiver]

Yep

[river shard]

Oh this one

Not yet familiar with the hero names, just going to google and searching haha

[fading quiver]

The awakened version of the hero is called woke

So when we say watha we reffing to woke-Athalia

[river shard]

If they have this badge, does it mean they are awaken?

I know the one in the center is their faction.

[fading quiver]

Nope this is an icon that shows you the level of the signature item and the number furniture for each hero

You unlock signature items at the ascension tier of M (mythical). And the furniture at the ascension tier of A (ascended). And the last investment is engravings which unlocks at A* (ascended one star)

[river shard]

So the one on the left is the sig item and the right is the furniture?

[fading quiver]

The big star-like badge is the signature item, and the two red badges underneath it are the furniture

[river shard]

I see.

[fading quiver]

If you want further explanation, maybe Google or YouTube might help for better information, it's hard to explain everything here in text, and you better know that stuff because they're very important, and make sure you don't do any big moves without asking here

[vapid wedge]

Did I screw up my account? I only started a couple days ago (and neglected to read the ‘beginner guide’, so I haven’t been levelling my fodder heroes and instead have been levelling my actual team.

Should I reset all of them at the Rickety Cart and refocus all my mats into the fodder?

[fading quiver]

Not a problem, show me the wl, also it's ok to use your main heroes until you have 5 L/L+ fodders so you breakthrough to level 160

[vapid wedge]

Sorry for my confusion, what’s the wl?

[fading quiver]

Also how do you have this much Draconics

[fading quiver]

Wishlist

[vapid wedge]

I’ve heard that’s been a mistake on my part actually..I’ve been using my diamonds to pull dragons instead of using them on tavern 😅

[fading quiver]

Now this actually sets you back a lot tbh

[vapid wedge]

Shoot, really? Will I be able to recover from it?

My wish list btw

[fading quiver]

What chapter and server you on?

[fading quiver]

It's good

[vapid wedge]

8 I believe right now, server is S1154 I think?

[fading quiver]

It's kind of ok, just stop wishing for draconis and switch to normal pulls and do all pve modes available to make it up for the lost diamonds on draconis

Also make sure you don't take any hero to L or even M until you have 8 copies of them, other than Ivan he's good at M

[vapid wedge]

Okay, that’s exactly what I’ll do! Thank you for stopping me from using all my diamonds on dragons lol

[fading quiver]

Wlcm

[vapid wedge]

Out of curiosity, are the dragons really bad?

[dire radish]

Does anybody have any suggestions on a general lineup for me? I’m getting cooked on everything.

[queen harness]

thats a realllllllyyyyy shiny box you got... Go =garrison Rem and use Brutus, Thoran, Rem, Lyca and Ivan>Villanelle/Silas. Fix your wishlist as well you can copy the wishlist from the guide

[cloud nexus]

What is Garrison?

https://discord.com/channels/441477431501783060/994912202375049256

[queen harness]

=guide

[cloud nexus]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/618027271906918400/1268303654314836028/quickupdate-01.png?ex=66abef53&is=66aa9dd3&hm=7f79a120f89f79b15c21cb452a0c0bd5538f30e3317243f5a5984de7b30c372f&

[queen harness]

Accounts really bricked, you might wanna consider =restarting. Fixing that account is gonna be hell

[cloud nexus]

Read this thread to determine if your account is restart worthy:

https://discord.com/channels/441477431501783060/1098437930919395388

[queen harness]

We should be able to use multiple = commands in 1 message, would make my life alot easier

[fading quiver]

No not necessarily bad, but they're limited so you can't use them as much as other heroes aka atheus simona ivan etc they're mostly in one or two teams and it's for whales

[fading quiver]

They didn't even change guide yet let alone adding double commands

[queen harness]

They're not gamechanging for how expensive they are so they're not worth building

[fading quiver]

Yep that's why i said they're for whales like an extra

[fading quiver]

Like mulan is now the last one in the list of dim stores and here she's no 1 that might set you back a full 4 months on merlin if you even figured out that she's not the 1st on the list

[queen harness]

I might be a whale then currently going for dragon fodders to build Cassius to swap to someone else later

[fading quiver]

I currently have pulina might swap her idk i have a lot of mistakes tbh

Didn't get lucky with nyla at all

[queen harness]

Both are meh ngl, ig Merlin is a teeny bit better than Mulan though

[queen harness]

Me. Literally me. Stuck at M+, missing 2 copies and I keep getting Cassius, Melion(good) and new chungus dragon

[fading quiver]

All dims are equally shit except for JoA, but hey at least it's still used?

[ripe crest]

Yeah it's not like some crazy setback going Mulan over Merlin. If anything the updated needed is to say chall coins are now the ideal garrison coins

[fading quiver]

I might go 30960 pulina just to swap her later idk i have oden too, shit im done for

I have oden and pulina over invested

[ripe crest]

Joa is pretty meh too. The valuable part of her is what's behind her. She's the best meh option to unlock dimblems

[queen harness]

We're both making incredibly bad decisions intentionally, we're doomed

[fading quiver]

Nah i like her a lot idk about you but her buffs some sort of good at least better than rbsg RH

[ripe crest]

Although actually I guess if I had a doover I'd probably use chall coins to buy alnas from the beginning

[fading quiver]

Fr

[ripe crest]

Would've gotten like 4-5 copies by the time I got to alna in prio list. Saved myself like 200 sgs

[fading quiver]

I asked dub the same, he said it's not worth it iirc, getting JoA is still a better choice

[ripe crest]

Joa is lab store not chall store. Yes buy joa

[fading quiver]

Oh wait mix alot

But i still remember that i did ask him about buying alna shards, he said it's not a good idea

[wary vapor]

1 copy Zolrath should be top prio for chally store

[fading quiver]

They really should lower these shitty expensive numbers

[ripe crest]

Right yes. That part I actually did do right, very first thing I bought was 1 copy zol.

[mortal hill]

Me and a friend started new accounts on the new server, both reached chapter 10, but only he got access to legacy of grit, I didn’t, anyone know why?

[fading quiver]

Talk to lilith cs

Better get answers from them, cuz i don't know why it didn't open it although you've been playing for more than 2 days

[gusty wasp]

I’m in chapter 10 and I didn’t get it

[dire radish]

You’re not talking about me are you? 🧑‍🦯

[wary vapor]

Yes

[dire radish]

Alrighty then new account i guess 😭

[wheat pike]

i can’t beat 10-40, anyone got any tips?

=garrison

[cloud nexus]

What is Garrison?

https://discord.com/channels/441477431501783060/994912202375049256

[pale kettle]

Is there a general line up that’s effective as a starter idea? Like 2 tanks, range, mage, and support

[fallen garden]

my tip is dont make more of the legendary/yellow ones and keep them at elite+, just garrison rem and then u will be fine

[fallen garden]

ivan and rem necesarry then just add supports/tanks like brutus atheus nara lyca

[pale kettle]

Surely two specific characters aren’t actually necessary for a generic comp? After all I’m still early on, only chapter 6

[fallen garden]

once you unlock chapter 7 or 8 not sure then you can garrison rem

other people use bronn early which also sometimes work but 90% is just ivan with rem

[pale kettle]

So like a couple tanks, couple supports, and a dps?

[pale kettle]

What does garrison mean?

[ripe crest]

The guides focus on wukong super early and then rem for basically all the rest of early campaign up until 2t because they work and everyone can get them, no gacha rng. There's obviously other options, it is early campaign after all

Ivan is the only one obtained via gacha rng that gets thrown out as irreplaceable. He's not actually irreplaceable since people have been getting to ch31 since before rem or Ivan existed with way less power creep. But he does make things a whole lot easier

[pale kettle]

Of course, and I get that. I was just wondering if there are generic important things like ya have to have a tank/warrior/mage/ect. Or like the 2 tank 2 support and a dps vibe where your “tanks” could be chunky warriors too and your dps can be a ranger or a mage

[fading quiver]

This game doesn't likely have this kind of stuff

[pale kettle]

Whatcha mean?

[wheat pike]

havent made a single legendary🫡🫡

but i don’t have the materials to garrison yet

[gusty wasp]

Guys how do I unfuse a garrison hero

[wheat pike]

should i do this?

[gusty wasp]

There’s no option for me

[gusty wasp]

No

[wheat pike]

should i grit palmer with someone else?

[queen harness]

No

Save your grits until last week. Palmer is meta so gritting him away is just dumb

Read the =guide

[cloud nexus]

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[queen harness]

It doesnt havw anything about grits but just know that u shouldnt grit away the heroes in the wishlist part

Except some of the maulers. You can grit Numisu, Skriath away maybe even Anasta

[old oracle]

I think im very close to 2 teams camp, so which heroes should i use for my 2nd team?

[fading quiver]

It's really some sort of stupid and good at the same time, like you can grit a lot of heroes at some point, and it's a shitty faction sadly

[queen harness]

2 teams is usually Rem 1st team and IvanSimona 2nd. The fillers are still the same ; Jerome, Villanelle(maybe), Brutus Atheus, Tamrus, Lyca, Nara, Ashem, Thoran, some use Emilia, Gavus, ifrogor. Experiment on your own or get ideas/copy from others

[old oracle]

so simona should be my carry for 2nd team right?

[queen harness]

yeep

[old oracle]

okay thank you, any other carry than Rem and Simona out of my hero pool atm? OR do you have another carry suggestion for me?

i just want to prepare ahead

[queen harness]

meant to add that... those 2 are the only good carries you have. 3rd team carry is usually Liberta at M si30, the comp hes in is called Libcharm. 4th team is AShem. Both are pretty cheap comps

[old oracle]

Ok thank you, Im building Liberta from Stargaze and AShem from temple of time atm

[queen harness]

as one should you should have them by*the time you get to 3 teams and 4teams

[old oracle]

Yeah i hope so, i tried to follow every guide in this server so my progress is pretty fast i think. Im at 8 days iirc. Only 1 copy of Liberta and 0 AShem

[queen harness]

Have u done Thrilling Voyages? if u havent then u should use all 80 tries every week. TV is the best source of SG and TE early on, it's part of what makes it possible to build Lib and AShem in around a month or 2

[old oracle]

I did, but its a bit hard for me to get to those rewards, i usually failed at like 10th stage or sth like that

i think its reset today right? So i havent done this week

[queen harness]

universal team for that is Ashem, Atheus, Lib, Ivan, Villanelle. You can use Jerome or Bronn instead of AShem

What I used back then was something similar to that : Ashem, Atheus, Lib, Hildwin, Villanelle. Worked on all Voyages

[old oracle]

Okay thank you sm, i'll try it later

[queen harness]

Goodluck man (or woman)

[old oracle]

[fallen garden]

Where can i find more info about it this just in yt and stuff or is there certain site?

[ripe crest]

If you have more copies of palmer then daimon then that is up there for worst grit suggestions I've ever seen. If you have more daimons then palmer then seems fine but dunno if there's better options

[next flame]

Got to chapter 35 and now I need 4 Teams. Can somebody help me with some Line Up Tipps?

[opaque mesa]

Looking at 695 in kings tower, anyone good at e/l that I should consider?

[ripe crest]

=returning

[cloud nexus]

Read this thread if you're a returning player:

https://discord.com/channels/441477431501783060/1098437930919395388

[queen harness]

I really dont have a clue, I just learned those by playing/observing other players accounts

Chats really dead

Oh its cos its kineup

[wary vapor]

was about to say

[queen harness]

Yahahhaha im still hazy, literally just woke up with 4 and half hours of sleep

[wary vapor]

[viral jolt]

Need some help building 3 teams for temporal rift current teams Ive got are
team 1: rem, Jerome, Palmer, rowan and ashemera
Team 2: Ivan, lady Simona, atheus, tamrus and Lyca
Team 3 nothing yet

[queen harness]

box too smol for a good 3rd team, just use whatever best you can come up with or get carries from beckons

[viral jolt]

what are some other good carry heros to go for then just to invest into

[prime walrus]

best comp with those bois?

[queen harness]

next carry u can get is Liberta, after that its Ashem

just ask in #classic-questions about what to pick in beckons if you're unsure

[queen harness]

anything will work that early, but u can use Thoran, Ivan, Oden, Eorin, Misha ig.

dont level up your heroes evenly, its bad, level up your carry 20 to 40 levels higher than the rest and you're good

[prime walrus]

oh ok, thanks!

[viral jolt]

would you say its worth it to start diamond gazing for Liberta or should i keep going for the 4f summons

[queen harness]

way too early for that, stick with pulls

[viral jolt]

when would you say would be a good time to switch ?

just as a baseline^

[queen harness]

when u get 8 more heroes to A. you could do it earlier than that if ur just lacking fodders/know what you're doing ig

[viral jolt]

so pretty much 15 faction heroes to A sweet ill keep it in mind

[proud geyser]

What can I use for floor 19 in lost spire? I'm stuck

[twilit roost]

#classic-questions message You can try this

[proud geyser]

Thanks. I actually did it man. I appreciate the help

You used this until 25?

[twilit roost]

#classic-questions message
For Boss fight

could also try scarlet/bronn if you dun have eorin

Oh, but you dun have them, then I currently dun have a decent comp using your box for boss fight

[proud geyser]

yeah. I can't get past 300M damage. but it's fine. I just wanted the scroll. Lmao. Thanks again

[hard remnant]

Hi @queen harness uhm sorry to ping you but I want to know what should I play and focus on lvling I also now have wu kong

[fallen garden]

level wukong as far as you can that almost only thing you need very early

at least until lvl 100 then you can try to get more scrolls to unlock other heroes

[quasi solar]

Hello, so I just reached 31-4, and have no idea what to do for my 2nd team. Any suggestions? Returning player from multiple years back, so I have no idea about the meta apart from the beginners guide I checked

[prime walrus]

chapter 8 and i'm starting to get stuck, any tips on the lineup?

[opaque mesa]

Trying to push my towers but I've let my LB lag, who should I be replacing and who am I missing on RC?

[queen harness]

Jerome. Hendrik and Sonja are both pretty old, Sonja might still work, same with Hendrik but Jerome would do wonders for you, he tanks, heals, buffs, he is very OP, he's also used everywhere unlike those 2

[queen harness]

Naroko, Ivan, Villanelle, Silas, Oden ig. Dont use Eorin anymore, he cannot burst reliably

[queen harness]

Since you dont have Abel, you need to build Simona as shes gonna be your second carry. You're gonna have to seperate Ivan and Rem now, you pair up Ivan with Simona and 2nd team is done. Since you dont have her yet, maybe try experimenting with Eorin carry or something, I doubt it'll work but its worth a try since u dont have a reliable 2nd carry yet.

Teams are gonna be : Rem 1st team, Ivan+Simona 2nd. Fillers are still the same, you can look at =gitgud for the heroes u can use with a few additions which I forgot

[cloud nexus]

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[prime walrus]

who is going to be the dps?

it's a 4sup 1 tank comp, so who should i prioritize?

like that?

i couldn't kill a single enemy with this comp 💀

[queen harness]

Villanelle at the back. Naroko is the carry so level her up not Oden, hes a subdps

[queen harness]

Niru is very tanky + he heals himself, I'm guessing Villanelle died so u didnt have anti heal/ult

[prime walrus]

oh okay

[queen harness]

BatDan doesnt come here so I can say this heheheh

[prime walrus]

hmmm

[queen harness]

Oden is garbage he's a subdps at best now. Hes way past his OP self in the past

but u dont got other options so u use him. you can try to use Daimon actually, he'll be your carry. dontknow how I missed that

spacing my messages out in case BatDan comes 💀

[queen harness]

goddaym old box ...

you got liberta or daemia??

[fallen garden]

Whats best team that i can use to auto battle in campaign for a bit currently at chap 26

[queen harness]

brutus, atheus, rem, ivan, lyca, talismane/black ball pet

[fallen garden]

Lvl 2 talismane or lvl 12 black ball which you recommend?

[queen harness]

talismane would help with survivability a bit due to CC and black ball will help reduce enemy def and dmg them abit. id use talismane

[vague tundra]

@queen harness what's the best team I can build with this at the moment? I installed the game just today, I'm very new here, if you can help me

[fallen garden]

Any of these matter or just slam then down?

[fallen garden]

Dont level more then 5 heroes thats the first thing

=guide is a good start to read

[cloud nexus]

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[queen harness]

Level up Wukong to lv80 then 100 when ucan, he'll carry u til u get a better carry like Simona

[queen harness]

put the +1 coll on Rem you got from the GG reward and flight coll on Ivan to help with survivability

note that you have to switch their positions or sub out someone for another hero sometimes, the former one being more common

[vague tundra]

Thank you very much, I followed what you said and read a bit of the guide, and my team is like this, do you think it's good for the moment or should I change something?

[queen harness]

looks good maybe try Kalthin instead of Wukong, he might be a better carry

[gray crown]

Should I get a hero to mythic so I can unlock the red emblem chest for the wish chest event ? If yes should it be Eorin for the hero's covenant ?

[young mulch]

Ivan

[vague tundra]

Alrighty, tysmm

[young mulch]

Ivan M is probably one of the only heroes people should actually be rushing to m

And try get his si30 as soon as you can

[vivid gust]

Yeah Ivan for sure

[gray crown]

Ok,I just pulled two more copy of him in the same x10 faction scroll pull and I was thinking of him too. Thanks !

I did like 150 faction scroll pull (finished the candy crush minigame) so I have loads of fodder too

I have enough to push him to M+, should I ?

[queen harness]

you cant get him to lv200 yet so all youll get is a bit more stats, you can go for it though

[gray crown]

I see, thanks 👍

[last roost]

What heroes should I use to push the campaign, I’ve just started chapter 8

[queen harness]

Bronn, Naroko, Ivan, Simona, Villanelle

could use Thoran instead of Naroko

[bronze rock]

hi everyone, I'm not quite a newbie, but I quit the game and now I'm back, please tell me, is there any point in restarting the account? or keep playing on it?

[queen harness]

restart. its in an old server + you can reach that point in a few days

[bronze rock]

Thx

[last roost]

And who should be my main dps

[queen harness]

Simona

[last roost]

Ok ty

Like this I think

[queen harness]

yeep

[old oracle]

just got to chapter 31, i have so much trouble with the 2nd team, wish i can use Ivan in both team

[queen harness]

that'd be too op unfortunately

[last roost]

Damn, they strong ngl

[old oracle]

when will Naroko become usable? Mine just Ascend 0* and i dont think he does anything rather than dying

do i need to get him to full furniture or sth?