#lineup-help
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Hi do you think that's a decent team for a beginner? or should i replace some lightbringers for another faction?
are you following the guide in pinned #classic-questions
ahh yes sorry I just joined the server kinda lost, will check it out rn
Am i doing it right?
Yes
Thats probably just a restart
Follow the guide and you'll be even further in a day or two
What guide are you following?
Any idea why silvina is targeting Palmer here instead of lyca?
because silvina targets enemy mage with the lowest defense rating and the enemy with the most energy.
Palmer isn't a mage, he's support. Even without gear, Palmer has 107 def and lyca has 108.
then ur palmer is juicing out energy
He doesn't gain any energy until a couple seconds into the battle, and by then grez and naroko have more energy
I'm stuck on chapter 19, can I change something?
Are you able to garrison rem?
no resources
Nun these are what's I've pulled so far on this acc
I might be stuck here
Your wishlist
Whats my next move here?? (I still have the grit)
What team should I build once I get Rem
Rowan center back
Wu front line top
Raine backline top
Daemon front bottom
This line up look good for chap 6?
just started playing again after a whole four year break. didnt get very far anyway but need guidance on what my main lineup should look like and who to focus on
i was struggling a lot near the end of chapter 11 but Awakened Lucius is really pulling through. i lose him soon though ☠️
i would personally just restart. My old account was at like ch 20+ and i ended up restarting
oh no 😅 that means i lose everything right? even thhings i bought
ok i read some info on why restarting is good. would i lose the monthly pass i just bought ☠️
Jerome instead of Reine, for wilder you go with Mishka, Neventhi, Raku, Tamrus, Trishea
For graveborn go with Ivan, Grez, Daimon, Oden, Silas
For Maulers, Naroko, Anasta, Kren, Crassio, Skreg or Drez or Antandra
Restart bro
ahh a sad day it is. ok so im choosing a server. is recommended the one i should go S1117
I'm feeling lost. Please help me arrange my team for campaign pushing and pvp😭
Feels like I'm lack of DPS built
Hello all,
Can someone help me please, started a few days ago and I’m lost. I don’t know what team to build and on who I need to focus.
Thanks for you help and advice! (you can share guide to I’ll be happy)
Thanks !
first of all pick one awakened hero to focus on before starting another. a mythic Belinda is not as strong as an ascended one. otherwise save up and garrison rem. she'll be your main carry until you hit 2 stage teams. where belinda will be your second.
also check the pins in the channel they have some helpful guides on which heros to build but idk if its up to date yet but it should be fine since your still early into the game
a Mythic Ivan is a Must
his si30 will be very helpfull
Ok thanks!
I focus on Belinda and do I need to up liberta when lava is ascended?
I can’t find any pins… I don’t know why
yes, liberta, daemia, lucilla are your next stargazing priorities. you can swap the order of daemia and lucilla but liberta needs to be built asap.
Ok thanks a lot!
I’ll check on my computer… I got nothing on the mobile app..
Thank you 😊
How do I counter Shemira?
Even if my ABelinda ult 3 times. Shemira still has near full health.
How can I improve this team for guild hunt? I lent a SI40 2 star liberta, and a decent si35 1 star solis.
Twins and Ivan
You can borrow my liberta with t4 gear e60309 and then try like ivan rem alucius and maybe emilia for energy regen
hi can someone help me im stuck at chapter 12 no matter what i try i cant get past it
these are my heroes its been 2 days since i started the game
Any help for this stage
check the first pinned comment in the channel
Struggling to come up with a reliable second team for multi comp stages, I'm on 31-32. If I ascend daimon would he be relevant for a while?
Primary comp is rem, Ivan, emi and other two spots not really as important
Any ideas on this stage? I've been trying with so many heroes but can't seem to solve it
tips?
Hello, can u tell me what is the best team I can use from these heroes please?
mishka, scarlett, palmer, rowan and naroko
Not daimon? I thought it was a good tank
oh yea use him instead of naroko
Okay, sure thank you
Ivan is not useful now?
i mean when he's that low level idk. rowan will give energy, mishka will tank, scarlett will deal damage and daimon will do both, palmer buffs everyone around his circle. i dont see the need for ivan
Makes sense, much appreciated
Hello there, I am F2P but I need some help with clearing this stage.
false, hes useful low level
Looking for help to create a second team for the multi comp stages. I'm at 31-12 and usually use Ivan, Rem, Atheus, AShem & Emi for the first team
Looking for help on what to build. Most of all how to get a nice team composition.
How many tanks/dps/support heroes do I need, and who should I focus on?
For example: I need one more copy of Palmer and I can ascend him, do I also build Ivan, because he is also a support.
And should I use a "legacy of grit" to swap certain heroes?
What should my team be for basic campaign and maybe pvp
Front : Brutus , Hogan
Back : Oden or Numisu, Daimon Rowan
Remove Oden/Numisu or Rowan once u get Ivan
Front : ALucious, Brutus
Back : Daimon, Palmer, Jerome
Also Stop Making L and L+ Heroes bruv. Only 5 fodders 
Shemira is a fodder. Even at Awakened Tier
Use her for Gritting
Also, mind you, Ivan is Important at your stage
No. Ivan is a MUST for your level.
No not really, such a move isn't recommended, it's only recommended when the hero reaches 5 stars
Anasta, Brutus
Oden, Silas, Daimon
Can someone help me to defeat this boss pls?
I can beat the first boss but the second no.
I wanna 3 stars in this, need entire team alive with more than 75% HP. Can someone help me ? Those are the heroes I got. I can use every hero o got at max level and ascended.
What comp you suggest then?
Anasta dies to quickly
Is my team ok for campaign and if not should anyone be switched out?
Try WuKong
Anything else viable?
Your front isn't very useful in early game, juste give level advantage to your main carry and he should clear stages. Especially when you'll get Ivan later
You're pretty limited early game, better off overleveling a strong carry and have your random mix of heroes tank long enough for carry to kill
Help me build line up that will Carry me to chap 16
Link rem ti lady or raine whatever is free and then make a team with daimon and ivan
Who should I use as target for the grit? Scarlet? Ivan?
Both are great units just mind that scarlet is a carry and ivan is a support generally speaking you want both
But to "finish" a 5 man team you'd probably want ivan he will basically get you to cpt 31 together with rem
And my team would then look something like: Ivan, Palmer, Rem, A Athalia and Daemina ?
Looks like I'm missing a Tank
Hi im stuck on stage 23-7, heres my hero pool please help me (I havent played in a few months so I don't know whats meta)
if i havent played in a few months u screwed
=restarting
also garrsion rem if u dont wanna restart
Hi, can somebody help me some tips.
I have aprox. 40k diamonds, 20 stargaze tickets, 110 time tickets and 3 grits (1 more to get).
Any tip's which hero/faction should I focus for?
Thanks!
diamonds on normal 10x summons, stargaze for liberta, save for roughly 500 time emblems
i'd probably grit shemira to jerome and numisu to tamrus
keep scrolling graveborns for fodder and probably start carding wilders for raku/atheus/tamrus/eorin/mishka
you'd be best off =restarting since you're on an outdated server giving you a disadvantage, and you have some pretty bad heroes built along with tons of legendary heroes (this is bad as it spreads your fodders causing you to have a harder time getting heroes to Ascended)
to put it simply, 80% of your current heroes suck pretty bad
Man that sucks I spent so much time on this account
And what is the difference between the servers@jaunty locust
I wont be able to stack 500 before event ends, Isn't it better to do some pulls during the event to save some of them ?
you can see the reasons to restart in the link above
nah the discount is kind of a trap, if you pull now during it, that's basically you committing to building that woke now - odds are by the time you end up getting them to Ascended, a better alternative will have released
you're better off saving the emblems up and pulling for the entire woke to be finished at once
What do I do? I’m stuck on this chapter (11-38)
Who should I prioritize
Oden?
@opal vector Normally like the guide suggests you push with Wukong at level 100 max until he starts of fall off, but in this case if you could find fodder to L+ Mirael, over level her, Oden is still okay but it would have been nicer if he had more copies to ascend
Can safely rely on carry being higher level than the enemy to get you through early, it's better than spreading your levels at this point
yeah thats what im doing, thank you
Zolrath, he pretty much useless until ascended with investment
You're speaking terms I do not understand please dumb it down (fodder carry(ads oden)?
And does that mean I should run wukong?
Bc I'm still very confused on what my lineup should be
You don't need to worry too much about lineup this early, it's random mix of enemy so just make one unit higher level than they are and you win, simple
If you don't even understand simple terms that that just means you didn't read pinned things like you should have /sigh
Thanks
Guys, is my account ok? I'm on chapter 12
Can someone help me I’m currently stuck on 14-17 and I have no idea what to change about my line up
no read the pins in #classic-questions
Try Thoran Lucius Daimon Ivan Rosaline (following Daimon), but no promises since you made a lot of mistakes like ascending too many L heroes instead of focusing on one L+ at a time
Would Lyca, Oden, Edwin or Skirath be a better first mythic/SI
Mythic wise Oden > Edwin, others don't get affected because different faction, SI wise just save it, you prefer to have them on actual carries like Rem or Liberta when they're up
Okay so I should get Oden as first M
You can even do Lyca and Skirath at the same time if you have their faction fodders, doesn't affect how fast you can ascend Oden
I do have the fodder for them I just need one more dupe for both of them
But choose wisely, ideally you want to only start going for M for someone you have 8 copies of so you can get your first ascended quicker
How about... Actually waiting for a change
wdym?
If you're stuck you just wait until you get higher level and things, don't expect to get through everything smoothly
What should i do
i dont know what to ascend
i can only advance if i know what to advance and increase my lvl cap , i did it until 140 with fodders
I have just reached ch33-4. I’m able to clear the first two teams using (rem + emilia) (ABelinda + Ivan).
I need opinions on what should I be doing with the 3rd team? Should I build raku and use him with mehira? Or should I just wait it out and play the time game until liberta is built?
Red: who should I level past 120?
Blue: who should my other team members be (don't actually have to be circled lol)
Why did you make Palmer legend 
Is he not good?
I'm trying to get to chapter 20 asap so I can just have access to everything
Are you using the guide, just curious
Noo 😅😅😅
Is it a pinned message or something?
I'm just doing what feels right (which is probably very bad)
Pinned in questions channel
how do i progress? i cant beat 9-21
You know, it'd be useful if you actually showed the enemy comp instead of assuming people being able to remember a fight from years back, or just experiment around, you're not fixed to a strict comp that can clear them
i mean how do i progrss in general
not just for this one battle
what should i be doing in this stage of the game
The hints they give you when you lose a battle should explain enough, unless you're very high level in RC, you can't really have one comp to clear everything for you
i dont mean my team comp
i mean how do i move forward into the getting more stuff and heros for ascension from this point
You try to come up with solution to clear chapters, and unlock things, simple, whether it be copying someone else solution or the preferred, figuring things out
Hint: You could get a friend to play and progress for you too
so like i just try and work thru the chapters?
or should i focus on other stuff for now
What other things can you do? At ch9 I think besides chapters you can try to work a bit on tower and that's it? Can't remember when peaks of time unlocks
But ch9 is still very early, you can afford to try out different combinations, or copy solutions if you're lazy and can copy
Powerleveling is still legit strategy, and if you can't do it nomatter what you try? Just wait it out for more upgrades, why the rush?
AFK Arena is a game of patience even though recent changes made it so lower levels progress way faster than way back
Im looking for a pvp tier list plz. Thank you
Basic campaign help, constantly hitting a brick wall and barely being able to progress. Simply just lineup help (for a friend)
Garrison Rem from friends list and use her as your carry. Stop taking 4f heroes to legendary, wait until you have 4 copies first. Also, at the beginning upgrade 5 fodder heroes to lvl 160. Use around 1 from each faction.
Also go to #classic-questions and check the pinned information. There is a beginner guide.
Is this a good team?
First of all why is there so many Legendary heros
Are you mad or something like that
You have to reroll man
And follow the THE BEGINNERS GUIDE
Show me your hero inventory
Yeah Your F***ed up
Start an damn new account
And Use the Freaking Beginner's guide in the pin section
Idk which hero is good
What teams can I use to defeat this thing?
Can someone help me please, i dont know what to do now
I garrisoned rem as carry, should i retire mirael to up rem?
Do i acsend a character if i get one from the wishlist?
You have to link rem to someone can level her alone
Do not ascend any hero until you have at least 8 copys
Just for now start a new account cause you have made 10-12 Legendary for absolute no reason
What team do you recommend me with these heroes? Im using the 5 in the first line, I just unlocked twins and have some free resonance crystal slots
Im ok with the team im using, but im new so im sure you can help me to improve it
Whose SP do I use in Abel gavus comp?
And another question, Isabella is usually the enemy that im hating more, how i can counter her?
you got a perfect one
Ivan
Thoran
aShem
Brutus
Daimon
replace daimon with rem and ur set til ch 31
Hey y'all, I don't think I'm optimizing my list of heroes to the best of their abilities, from campaign to mystic starzone, or anything that deals with multiple teams. Is there a tool I can use that can help me optimize these teams? Should I just upload my roster here?
thanks so much, it helps a lot 😄 now I have a road to follow , and happy to know i got a good core team (following guides xD)
but, Thoran , AShem, Brutus, Daimon, it isnt too much tanks?
then in elder tree i must full focus tank upgrades?
you focus support, ivan is gonna be doing the most, the rest stalls
there's a guide for tree too
okk ty again 😄 ill find it
under consumables in #faq-resources elder tree
ohh perfect, found! ill check it. Thanks again
stuck here and on tower
Needing some lineup help. Mid chapter 38. Can I optimize my teams here better?
what teams can i make here. (lucius gonna be gone tho)
hello! currently stuck in ch10 and can’t progress, would love advice on team/characters to build to help me progress! currently using scarlet as main carry and lucius is trial (sorry for multiple photos)
Read the guide in pinned in #classic-questions channel
Read the pinned guide in #classic-questions also use Ivan he’s broken overpowered
Any formation suggestions?
Absolutely use Ivan
In exchange for?
Do you have resonating crystal unlocked?
Try replacing rosaline with him
Alright, will do
Ivan is basically a must have for rem, which you will need her soon
Yeah how do I obtsin her?
Garrison
Through friends list, you exchange currencies to get 100 dimensional stones
After hiring her 6 times you get her for free forever
Oh nice, so now formation any changed in the formation I have
You got rem?
ive read through the noobs guide if you're referring to that, am i missing something from the guide? also just wanted to know if i could improve my comp since i still wanna keep scarlet though so suggestions would be great. ty!
Nope sadly
Shouldn’t be making hero’s from the 4 factions into legendaries when you don’t have 8 copies of them, since you burn fodder and basically ruin your progress
So it takes you 3 months to obtain rem forever
She’s really op, get her as soon as possible. She’s gonna be your carry
ah alright, got it. i ascended those before i've read the guide lol so i do realize i f'ed up a little
Can you check how many stones you can get right now, before I try helping
49
Also, why did you make oden legendary
Tmrw I can get enough if I can math correctly
Thought he was good. Poor choice after realizing he falls off
Nah, he’s good. It’s just that you don’t go past elite+ until you have 8 copies, but there’s exceptions for some like Daimon when you have 4 copies.
I only have 1 copy of damion
I am stuck
Did you try Ivan yet
Yeah in the replacement spot for Rosa we still lost
Hmm, maybe try getting rem. I would put rem Ivan and safiya and the back, while naroko and Brutus at the front. You have a good carry, while also having the damage bonus for 3x mauler
same im stuck with this on chapter 10
I'm stuck on this level, what lineup should I use?
I think your first mistake was building raine to mythic instead of l+ fodder
isnt raine good
Yes but you're not supposed to build past e+ until you have enough copies/fodder to ascend them, besides daimon who u should build to mythic because of his si
ok
tbh i thoihht i had enouhh but i dodnt rlly know how many u need bcuz this is my first time
help with this, tried atleast 30 times
Try swapping 3 and 5
been swapping em all around , even swapping some with thoran and eorin just to buy time for rem
but still being bursted af
oof havent tried mehira , might work
whats a good early game team to complete all thriller voyages i have daemia,mehira and liberta
and almost all 4f heroes
Looking for just a basic team to get thru early stages lol
Any tips
Any changes needed I am stuck at 9-13, also F2P
Help I am at a stalemate here, I can’t break both their shield
No rem?
@tight yew here you go mate. I didnt know team 3 did that bad 
Do you have lady S
Seal - AShem RH Oden Lady S Ivan
Fox - Tamrus Joan Rem Nar Mulan
Tali - Rowan Jerome Watha Emi Dae
Black Ball - Grez Brutus Lib Palmer Scar
Ok ill try that owl instead of black ball though
If I drop to 8% I'll be coming back here for a refund
oh, yeah for sure didnt know you had owl
i tried to cook lmao
M+ aathalia is cooking my TS ranking this thing does nothing 
I believe in you though dw we getting back to 3% with this
M+ is rough, she wants more investment to be useful
Yeah had slightly bad luck so now I'm stuck on her M+ for a bit 
how many TE you got from MS
- I havent gotten 2 premium chest yet though might be 10 more

5 TE is about 10% chance to pull so I'm about average luck
Nice nice
There is in fact no TE 
3 more staffs though!! Lets goo time to get my 0 mythic collection
i know the feels
Please help me. I need to contact the technical support of the game. How can I do this?
I don't need in-game technical support, they can't solve my problem!
I got Rem, is the team the same changing Daimon with Rem?
For a pure Dim team is there a better formation?
Hello, i dont know much about line up im also struggling at stage 35 though.
that is my hero acquired
Best 2 teams for ch33?
Which hero should i choose?
Asolise or aezizh from awakened choice chest, liberta from celepogean chest
What team can i make with this
Bet
instead of liberta i shouldn't chooose twins for boss?
Nope, liberta does what the twins do, but better
i ask because a guy in my guild say i NEED twins elite+ for bosses
You used to, but now there are better options
I didn't realize that chest included aBelinda, yeah, go for her instead
wanna see the full list?
Nah, I'm assuming it includes all the awakened heroes. Either aBelinda or ashem would be your best choices
Need help with Misty Forest 20
Switch ivan and lib
What lineup should I use for 20-42 ?
I’m hard stuck on chapter 23-38. Is this just a hard gear check for me right now or do I need to start figuring out the best formation? Any ideas? Rem ults and insta dies.
That dude in the bottom right survives everything and destroys me.
I’m stuck, anyone have advice on what I should do?
That account is pain
Check the pinned guide in #classic-questions
Oh 
Road block again
Where rem at 
I'm 10 away just gotta wait until resets

Sad lmao, but like should I not run the mae sp lady?
Just say awakened
I mean she ain’t bad, nor do you really have a good substitute so I’d keep her maybe
You can replace her with rem once you get her
Alright, sounds good besides that good?
It was bc I thought he was good
I mean he is but a little preemptive to when he actually gets gets good
Need 5 team for campaign
Ik I have some random character built but yeah I’m working on meta character
ur uh gonna wanna reset
Urgh late levels is all about resetting
Need a team for campaign, help please
Daimon grez rowan ivan and either palmer or silas
Is there any sheet with campaign teams at all, feel like my box is slowly getting there and could probs push past ch39, otherwise would appreciate any team comps that look usable with current box :)
Thoran being engraved makes me cry ngl
Never thoran cheesed never will
just use formations button in game?
Can someone help me build a team for campaign?
you are doing very wrong. read pins (you shouldnt have upgrade heroes to golden)(
Kinda stuck on this stage anything I can do
(I have 66/100 garrison stones for rem atm)
Try to use nara to hook saveas
@fathom widget So it seems that I should level fodder units first to make a team out of them until I can ascend my carry unit?
You should only make fodder L/L+. Once u have 4 copies of rowan it is worth to make him M. The rest should stay at e+ untill u have enough for A or (u are close to A and its more complicated part but u are stuck and u know what u are doing)
@fathom widget okay so I should just disregard the characters that I have built right now and focus on upping the the fodder until I have the appropriate amount of copies to go up to ascended.
yeah, just hope that u get fast missing copies of them to make them A
or u are fucked up pretty much
WHAT THE FUCK HAVE HAPPENED HERE
whats worst you even have confirmation needed when u want to do shit like that
man turned out u can reset scarlet in rickerty cart. Do that and get her A
Here are my characters which ones I need to improve in priority?
and if you have a team to offer me
Here are my characters which ones I need to improve in priority?
get ivan asap, ascend daimond
Is ashemira better or is nara better for rem team
depends on who ur facing
@heady gyro okay thanks
Help
That Brutus 😭
?
Team suggestions
Shouldn’t be legend
I regretted it after I looked at the guide but it was over
Any suggestions or tips on formation or other heroes
Can I get some help with a second team comp? This is my characters and team for reference
... I already know I fucked up with legendaries. 
probably a really tall order but its worth the try lol, anyone with better pvp grasp than me? I want to redo all my HoE teams with more updated ones, these are my old teams Esp1 thru formation 12 and all my available heroes. No HoE chat yet 
How the actual hell-
I know..
How much did you spend
A lot.
Nothing, Just been playing for a while, probay have spent less than 20 dollars overall lol
I'm so deeply impressed by your existence
I wish I was too haha
i need HoE lineup ideas too ): did those formations work well for you last time?
They did but at this point they are very outdated, got quite a bit of +40s now and awakeneds
Is this better?
Why do u got so much L heroes other than the fodders and the Works?
Wokes*
No clue, I just get bothered by the temple of ascension notif
no u should restart
if u open it then dont ascend it goes away
Bro why does everyone always say that
bcuz when u dont play in a specific way u will hit an impassible roadblock early on
basically u need to be prepping ur heros to fully ascend before u ascend them at all otherwise youllll get completely stuck and wont be able to progress
and u cant get more stuff while ur not progressing, at least not esaily
so if u want to progress far in the game the bset thing u can do is restart early
can someone help im new and i dont know if any of these people are good or what team to make with these
Any guide on team comps for Arena of Heroes/ Heroes of Esperia/ good team comps in general.
Which lineup should I play?
In the last stage of warcry snowbound event, lucilla always destroy me, i can kill the rest but she always ends full life killing my team, any help against her?
Kinda stuck anything I can do
i recently got some new units i believe one is a healer idk if i should make accommodations or not can someone help?
What is a good general comp for story?
Follow the guide, you keep messing up your fodder
Guide is in the pins in #classic-questions channel
What are the best pvp teams for 1, 3 and 5 stage battles? Considering you have all heroes
Is this a good team?
dont know what else you have but awakened talene aint too good. if that team stops pushing campaign try putting in ivan
though daimon is a super carry especially with ivan in earlier campaign
This is what i got
Should I restart?
So levelling awakened is not good for your resonating crystal as it will be tough to level up higher and just getting further.. i would suggest focusing on ivan and daimon and palmer/rowan as well as jerome. Jerome and Daimon as front line with Ivan Palmer/Rowan and another hero
all your copies of lady simona i'd say her as the 5th
well your team shouldnt have any problems anytime soon so just keep on going
Do i acsend or wait till i have 10?
i dont see much fodder heroes.. you'll have to wait
Ok
Im stuck on 9-12. Any advice?
Follow the guide in pins #classic-questions channel
Is there a more recent guide to team building than the one from 2020 pinned here? In both Temporal Rift and Campaign (I’m in chapter 33 now), I feel like I’m basically just throwing together random combinations of heroes until I find one that wins
Put atheus on resonating crystal and use him in the front
Wow it looks like shemiria was a bad investment ....
It's fine you will be able to grit her once u get every free copy of her
Nothing changed besides damion being M what should I set my lineup to
link rem to daimon
and replace izold with lyca
But I use damion
And I can't use both damion and rem in the same formation
Izold is only there so damion and Ivan benefit from the bonus
#classic-questions pins @prisma flare
get wukong by sharing ur wishlist and spam level him hell carry toll like ch7
link daimon to rem and go
Brutus Lyca
Rem Asaf Ivan
Can someonr help me make a lineup?
whats that luck bro
u can ascend to elite + your heroes btw
u're 4 skills heroes at least
I recently got sp Brutus, and ELijah and Lailah
from pulls and stargazing
Brutus is amazing when you get the right gear, but I usually use him as a distraction for my other tank and Rem
Sad dies way to fast
Is this fine or do I change anything
get wukong from sharing ur wishlist and level him
Can someone help me make a team cuz i keep losing
Make a carry, either garrison Rem or make M Daimon
Help
I pushed a bit campaign with Lucius Free trial for 3 days but now i don't know what to use to replace or if I should change my line up, Any help please.
Read the guide in #classic-questions channel pinned
What lineup do I use
This is what I'm using atm
thats fine just try to get rem as soon as u can
I'm hitting road blocks more often (which I blame on low levels) but anything you would do besides restart? (bc only a few messups)
Main problem is rem dies to quickly and her and Ivan can't get ult off
I've tried putting another tank izold
Ever since like chap 14 I've been following the guide so any mistakes were made prior or by accident
try to get the tasi or rowan collection for ivan and see if that works also try to get a faction bonus sometimes thats all you need
Also I have this
I'm stuck
lvl up rem and her si
Thanks!
I need help building a team😭👀
@lilac raft
what are the current top pvp lineups?
Build trishea next?
yeah and silas too
How much money have you spent on this account?
Just hit vip14
Idk how much that is but that’s the amount
try lyca rowan instead of eugene mishka
rem insta dies
Tell rem I said to suck it up
i’ll try
just try eventually you'll hit the dab and dodge 60x in a row
What would be a good pvp lineup utilizing ALucius?
Hello Any suggestions? I'm stuck at 11-8 plz help
slot him into the abel comps
I don't get how my team is getting so thoroughly destroyed... help plz
I just hit 31-4 any ideas on what comp I could use for my second team?
Just started. Which of these units should I focus on
Try switching anasta with naroko
Hmmm you might be stuck for awhile.. i suggest you try to follow the beginners guide.. if followed, you could have potentially have an si30 rowan, maybe even a mythic ashem which would have been enough as a second carry, and a copy of mehira which when combined with rowan could be good as a second team. Rn your best hope is to split rem and ivan. Hope that rem can win a battle without needing ivan and have ivan transform another one as a carry (probably be daimon)
Si40 5 star Daimon and 5 star oden 😭 wtf is going on bro
Idk if it can help but just cleared it with Tamrus-Thoran / Ivan Grezhul Brutus
Can they remove the power limit on towers already, it’s so damn annoying. If my team is good enough to still beat them, I’m clearly not underpowered
how else will they make money
yeah, i'm also going through this
I am on chapter 26-46 and I want to know of some ideas of team comps, I don't have keys for dims, but rem-palmer, emilia-raku
Recommendations?
read the pins in #classic-questions
Ashem/liberta/rem/Abrutus/Ivan and have nara on reso (you will need her pull CC ) till 31 CH u ll be good
Thoran/diamon/rowan/eagle guy/wukong
Have wukong 20+ lvls above any of your team till you reach lvl100 with everyone
how do I get wukong?
nvm I just found out
On your events go share the wukong guy
so eagle guy in the middle?
so like this?
Rowan to eagle guy and wukong to daimon
so wukong infront and skirath at the top?
Rowan needs to be in the center back, wuk/thoran front and daimon behind thoran
so like this?
Great. Some times you will need to change the position as the enemy will need
alright thanks so much man
No worries dude, check the beginners guide to see what heros you need n atuff
Could yall help me make 5 teams for ch36 to default to?
I tried different compositions but I can't find which one would be the most optimized for the story, here are my characters, thank you in advance for your help:
Helppp, I can't beat it 🥸
With who can I pass it?
Are you using the guide?
no this account got kinda messed up
i was unaware of fodder utalise
I can see..
no i did
its fine i have fooder am on chp 20-10 dont know what to do now
need lineup help, i just got awakened shemira
Upgrade Ivan and Damion they are a carry
Please help me build my line up
just swap ashem for grehzul and u should be good
which team would you make for hypo tower?
Please help me ❤️
what NC is that?
These are my 2 F2P account's but they are stuck at 11-35 and the other at 9-37 help needed! (BTW please don't say restart)
Yeah You have to restart 💀
Ahhhhhhhh
I'm stuck, please help
Restart not because of re roll.. restart and follow the beginners guide that is pinned in questions.. dont have to reroll for a woke to do good at the start
Anyone know what the best comp for liberta + AShem for pvp is?
the best comp that ive seen is. Ashem, Ivan, Berta, Lucilla and athalia
When I put Ivan in front he usually dies pretty quickly though
he should be in the back
Hey guys im looking for opinions from players with more knowledge.
Im pretty early in game and wondering about support on my team.
My current lineup is
Daimon
Lucius
Rem
Raine
Rosaline
Would u swap anything to backline? My battles seems like coinflip. If rem survives long enough to cast ulti its usually win. But she dies very fast
Im wondering if i should use palmer, twins or rowan in team or is rosaline and raine fine
I would swap rem to daimon to get her acendet so she survives longer
It does not matter what the other heroes do just try out tank/support heroes to soak up dmg to make her survive for as long as possible
Hi guys made a new account after long hitaus, should I build graveborn or should I switch to light ringer because I recieved abelinda?
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I would stay with graveborn but belinda is gonna carry you a lot in the early game
You can use her as your main carry until you have mythic plus heros
Should I roll to get another abelinda to ascend her if I get the chance?
You can go for abelinda as your first acended awakened but I would stock up the time emblems you get till you have 500 b4 you summon
May I ask why 500?
500 is usually the amount you need to get 1 awakened to acendet
The meta cal change or something new can get released so I would hoard them till you have 500 and them ask in dc again
Ahaaa ok I got it, last question, when I read this text
i don’t got much but what’s a good lineup
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I get confused, should I therefore not level up like example my throan that should be my tank? Instead level up a fodder? I don't understand the text tbh
If the fodder reaches a max level of 160 but thoran could get higher? Will I be needing to change him on resonating crystal afterwards in that case?
Yes you normaly only level fodder till everything is 160 to get more vopys of heroes since you need 8 copys of one to get them acendet otherwise you can get stuck with only mythic+ heroes if you dont habe the copys you need
If you arw at the point where you have mythic heroes you can reset then for 20 diamonds and just level up the mythic one so it is not expensive to be safe
One exception for now would be belinda for you since she is a carry but remember you can only get her to lvl 140 for now
so in that case should i level 5 fodders to 160, daimon to 160 and belinda to 140
?
Appreciate u for all the comments dude!
Thoran WuKong Daimon ABelinda Tamrus
hey guys im kinda new to the game could sm1 give me some tips on my acc?
if u need any more info tell me!
this is the lineup im using rn btw
Could anyone help me?
Garrison rem and connect him with diamon
I can't afford her rn
Then you have to wait until you can afford her
so when exactly should i be resetting wu kong to focus on the fodder? I dont have daimon and idk if mirael can carry yet
get a copy of daimon and build him
No get a copy of Rem
Much easier to get and u can build another hero beside her (reccomend Ivan)
i dont think he can garrison yet
Pretty sure u can at any time.But if not I’d still not get Daimon and just play til u can garrison
how do i get daimon
oh i found the garrison thing
i just dont have any dimensional stones
I have no idea what I’m doing, just started yesterday. Does anyone have pointers or can send me a beginners guide where I can figure out who is who and if they’re worth keeping?
30960 libertà, si30 Ivan, if you want estrilda f9 for tr, try to get 1* Palmer, don't make 5* IPO/cele/awakened it's a waste of resources
I have no idea what that means 😔
One day, one day you will understand everything
Don't make too many legendary. Ulmus and gwenty are out of meta. Level up the 5th strongest character in your roster so you can use the cr
The 5th strongest is an LTO so he’ll go away in like 2 days
Is it worth it to reset them or is the damage already done
It only slows down your progress but can still be saved/continued
Are any of these worth the money?
C&R is a great tank/cc for the early game, daimon if builded at a good point can be your main dps
Ok I’ll work on Daimon
No, you can have them for free but it takes quite the journey
Thank you 😊
You're welcome
at 35-8 what should i go
Anyone seeing the two teams i could be using, these are the ones i am using at the moment, ALucius is event one, soooo kinda only there for the next two days, haha
I'm stuck on this stage my Rem gets Insta popped most times
Hi, I'm a beginner, can anyone tell me which characters I should upgrade and if making a new account would be preferable ?
wich team should i make and invest on them
Hi! After a long break of more than a year, I come back to the game. And it has changed haha. Is my team always good? I take all advice, thx
Ivan and Damon are good. Need one copy of Brutus so he can tank
It's preferable to restart but if you want to continue I do not stop you
Okay thanks ! U have a advice for restart ?
I've just realized that I was still paying for AFK Arena even tho I stopped playing like 1 year ago...
Is there someone who can help me with this or redirect me to a place where I can ask for a refund ?
Send me any relevant info in DM's as I might not look at it immediately and I don't want it to get lost in the channel and have to scroll back for days to find it.
anyone could help?
What's my best team comp for campaign? Anyone I should prioritize building to support? Currently stuck at 27-60.
Pretty impressive that you got Liberta to 5*
Hey, could anyone recommend me a team?
#faq-resources restarting account
Any possible team adjustments or replacements for campaign? Especially for team 1, really missing a good 5th team
Finish liberta and ur good to go
Idk what to use now that my lucious trial is over kinda stuck at 16-16
Try to put rem front and rowan instead of thoran with oden (put him on crystal)
It might help to teleport estrilda so she doesn't airborne your Frontline
Which team should I build?
Read the guide it will tell you
I read as you can see some are improved according to the guide but I don't have everyone in the guide so I don't really know who to combine
Don't engrave thoran, you can use thoran for thoran cheese it's low cost so you can focus the rest on the other team
I read as you can see some are improved according to the guide but I don't have everyone in the guide so I don't really know who to combine
can anyone help?
Help, i'm stuck again
Swap ivan with thoran
Or use Emilia over talene
Freez can help ivan to use his ulti so fire lady wont kill all of your backline
I'll try
Let me know 
It's not working ;-;
I think I need more ascended characters?
Did you swap ivan with thoran and talene with emilia?
Can you record and send? Or ss the graphic?
Need more ascended heroes, try to make some of your heroes at least mythic by respecting the right guide
@pulsar belfry
Ok!
It's not working too, I'll see which heroes to put in M or M+. Do you have any recommendations? @quartz bison @pulsar belfry
Rem-Brutus-Ivan-Emilia-Talene if still catn, change emilia with L+ knife girl
Knife girl?
Who should i e30 next out of these wilders (Mishka, Tamrus, Eorin, Atheus, Lyca) or should i build a different wilder and save to e30 them....? Thanks all for the advice
Why wilders specifically?
i have 3 open crystal spots and im on 9-12, anyone else worth using? still trying to pull daimon
i have been getting carried by lucius but his trial will run out soon 😦
tower building but also my campaign team that normally fails has 3 wilders on it (plus scarlet E30 already and Joan)
Tamrus, atheus estrilda(tr especialy)
thanks got further with tamrus and atheus
Guys someone here that could help me real quick
Guys whats the best team i could do?
Here it depends. You can try Rem-Daimon-Emilia-Ivan(when you get him)-Rowan
I have ivan but just as a epic
But don't forget to level first fodders (5 of them) to 160 and only after ascend your Daimon/Ivan/etc (ascended tier)
Put him on crystal, he is usable even at epic
Right now im playing atheus and titus frontline and rem daimon and emilia
U sure bro? Who should i put him for
Daimon is good front, and Rem as well since they are warrior/tank. But it depends of stages
Okay ill put daimon front
Instead of Abelinda, since she is good only later
Thanks alot for your help man
Yw, I hope it will work properly
hello, can anyone kind of help me in forming my team i feel as if im lacking damage? also looking to substitue rem into this comp in a day since am missing only 9 shards.
with noroko taking lucius spot once his loan thing is out in 2 days.
Hey guys!!
(Epic Thoran, Belinda not shown)
Who should I be focusing on? I am bout to garrison for Rem in the next couple of days once I get enough resources. Halfway through chapter 11. Have roughly 35-40 faction scrolls and 18 rare faction cards from completing chapter 10 but not sure which faction to focus on. Any help appreciated!
Focus on graveborn faction with your scrolls. Main support for rem will be Ivan. Afterwards, you can pick Emilia.
Also go to #classic-questions and read the pinned beginner player guide.
Ivan + rem will carry you far. Rest is just to stall time or to give energy for rem. thoran, Brutus, rowan are good examples for that
Thank you!!!!
I need some help
Should I just ascend thoran or grit him with someone else to complement this team(if so then who?)
You don’t need thoran this early. You don’t have many heroes right now, and Rem + Ivan rushed you to the point you can’t push anymore. It’s ok, a part of the game
Do you get Ivan for free at some point?
kinda stuck rn anyone got any suggestions
planning on getting rem from garrison too in the next day
well new to the game so curious about this, but what would ideal team be or hero to invest on, this is what i am using as of rn with naroko on lucius spot
Ivan and Rem are your best investment. Also, check the pins on #classic-questions and read the beginner guide.
what should the lineup@be looking like
Any tips to improve?
ALucius, Atheus, ASolise, Ivan, Oden
Also check the beginner guide on #classic-questions pins.
Go check the beginner guide. Stop taking characters to legendary.
i looked at it but idk the units to put besides the ones alredy on there
Your focus for now should be to reach ch8 and garrison Rem. With Rem + Ivan you will progress fairly quickly until ch31.
So what should i do now then
Take fodder hero to legendary+ to raise your lvl cap
You will just have to wait. You made a mistake and its consequence is simply waiting to get either more copies of the heroes you took to legendary or building fodder heroes to L+.
wait what’s happens after i can’t use lucius no more
i’m on ch9 rn
When you get Rem. Your basic lineup should be two tanks and two supports and rem.
wait can i js dm u so no time limit
Tanks options: Brutus-Atheus-Thoran
alr alr
Yeah feel free to dm me
alr bet
send help pls
Yeah that stage 1 was tough for me. I had to use a mercenary.
I used merc for that one. Next few ones are a bit easier.
I’ve just started playing but I would like some tips about who I should go for, I mean who to use on my team and focus resources
I know Daimon is good but nothing else
okok
Follow the guide in #classic-questions pinned if you aren't already.
Can someone help me get through snowbound cry event? I came back to this game after 2 years of not playing and i dont have the current meta, these are the heroes i do have:
And the ones equiped
which two are the best?
Atheus is the best to be fully built until ascended. The other two can keep working with just single copy. You will eventually have to build Thoran as well for his cheese comp.
so atheus and thoran after my alucius is gone
Yes, but Brutus is still really good. Just try them out and you will see how they work. There is no concrete formation that will carry you. You will have to keep changing heroes and their positions on the field sometimes.
Also, check the formation tab at the bottom right of each stage. It will help to see what others are using sometimes.
alr alr thks
so once i get rem i run rem a solise iven thoran/brutus and atheus
what ab oden
You can try ASolise. I have no experience using her in that team. Also, just use two tanks.
i need help to pass ch 32 i have been stuck for more than a week and don't know what to do
i don't have belinda as i spent all in shemeria
i'd do ashem brutus daimon simona and thoran in 1 team and another with rem emilia ivan palmer and raine
i linked rem and daimon
then idk if you got another dps to replace him with, raku needs 30SI
i have shem si40 but still early for ascend sadly
ok thx i will wait maybe for more weeks till +240 lvl
she could carry a second team maybe, try to replace daimon with oden or any other reasonable hero
thx
Brutus shield keeps outlasting Rem and then i lose, help
Just downloaded the game and got these units, what team should I run?
Also is there anyone specific I should keep my eyes out for if I get them?
Can someone help me get through snowbound cry event? I came back to this game after 2 years of not playing and i dont have the current meta, these are the heroes i do have:
Bro how much you spend 😭
I was making a bunch of money wheb i played 😅
What team should I run for campaign? Is this enough here to just chug through story or should I try to get more elites?
pinned guide in #classic-questions, formations part
Anyone?
what team should I make?
Any tips on what comp to use?
Front : Brutus and Ashem
Back : Rem, Ivan and the new Hero or Lyca Palmer could work too probably
Any better positioning?
You just need more fodder
Wdym
You need to get more characters to a higher ascension because the level difference is getting larger and you either need better gear or higher levels
Rough stage.
You have Nara?
Fawkes dodges everything and kills Rem before she can ult
Oh, you do. Rem 3 Nara 4 while Ivan will be 5
you should be power leveling rem instead of maxing out everyone before that. if rem is at least 40 levels above the team youll be great
I can't get her any higher until my Shemira is M+ just yet.
I upped Grez previously and now Im dealing with the unfortunate consequence of that.
my team is at 160 while my rem is at 200. i haven't struggled the entire time. im in chapter 24 in about a week
unlucky. well you better grind for some blue stones to try and build the fodder.
Im in chapter 24 too, this is my 4th day playing
Can you try this?
Im trying, seems to be rng anyways.
I'll keep retrying cuz I got a run where only Fawkes was left alive

Use green pet for better sustain maybe
Got it!
Nice 
pet killed fawkes in a 1v1 vs Ivan, thank you!
yw 
These fights just keep getting harder, I just want to be done with chapter 24 so I can try to get those faction scrolls.
should have saved for power levelling rem, thats why i pushed 1 faction until i could get to mythic plus on 1 hero so that rem is higher than the rest of them so the damage never becomes a problem
save your fodder for gb so you can increase the levels she can get
Rem can never be 40 levels above team except before level 100, but you don't have her then.
Oh woops necro
39 is max, lol
yea, but the sentiment is, she should have more levels than the team until you hit the point where everyone needs to be 240
Yeah at least until ch 31/rc200
Just cause there's no lvl 221 ability, and your 2nd team need levels more
real, and its gonna take a while since the dust costs climbs so much. like getting to 180 is 25k i think but getting to 160 costs 12k.
any recommendations on how to beat the lady simona comp on the stage 12 of new event snowbound war cry? struggling to deal with her
try this
beat the whole thing easily with that, missed only 2 stars
Is there any way I could beat this boss?
athalia. otherwise dont bother. also why are you doing this when you dont have many built heros?
Just looking for ways to make progress on something since Im kinda stuck right now.
Im unable to beat this stage and my combat rating is too low for tower
those adventures rely soley on the units you have built. youre better off doing the beast adventures which at least max out all the units you have in your box
Im out of tries on those
then wait for the reset. you are just frustrating yourself trying these other ones
Could someone help me make a good lineup these are my characters
I currently use Talene, Antandra, Fairy Lady, Peggy, & Nemora but I don’t know if that’s good
get rem and link her to tasi then invest everything you can to get her to Si20
How do you link someone
they have to be a dim but when you get them they'll be elite and when you go to the temple it will give you the option to link them to a hero in order to ascend them to higher levels
Ah
Where do I get Rem
the garrison in the friendslist
Do I get to keep the Garrisoned characters forever or do they leave
they stay for 30 days and then you need to get them again 5 more times
then they become free forever
Oh okay
Is rem the weird looking blue haired maid
yep
Would Emilia work as well because she looks cooler
no emlia wont do nearly as much damage as rem
Oh
also chill on the mentions, ive got the chat open so ill see when you send a message
Ok cool sorry I usually just reply to people so they can see who I’m talking to
unless there are 4 convos happening its pretty easy to keep track of who youre talking to
Last attempt and only info can save me
maetria but tbh theyre all pretty mid
What comps can I use for arena or legends challenger?
an abel comp, a shemira comp, adim comp. those 3 should be really solid for you
Nvm
havent played inawhile, not sure who to si30 next
Probably finish ABelinda and si30 her
Suggestions?
have we managed to find a solidified best team for wrizz?
I’m stuck on this level
try ivan frontline and put lyca backline
I'm struggling to make teams with the heroes I have can someone help? I need 5 teams.
Just got to ch31 i struggle to make a second team
Follow the guide in pinned #classic-questions
I have a hero chest and another Dimensional I can garrison what should i get
Should i change anything to beat the stage im stuck rn everyone dying too fasst especially the back line and ivan shield isnt holding up
Hello, any suggestions how to beat this stage? I have stuck there like 4 days already. Waited for any myth in afk rewards but I guess I’m super unlucky)
Try
1.rem
2.ashem
3.tam
4.lyca
5.ivan
T2
- Thoran
- Atheus
- Simona
- Adrian&elyse
- Nara
Guys who shoukd i switch? I mean si switch
Could someone help me make a good lineup these are my characters
follow the guide in pinned #classic-questions
messed up so much
Sonja/lucius>anasta/nevanthi
Any tips on what comp to use/ heroes to focus on?
Why’d you use your time emblems..
Hey! Got the link to the guide ty for that.
Wondering if I should make A.Brutus primary carry? Or if I should start to funnel into Scarlet since I've gotten 6 copies of her so far. (Still have hero choice chest available). I am also waiting on 1 more Daimon to potentially carry since I know he's solid as well but don't think it's worth sending choice chest unless it will get me an 8th copy of someone.
Been holding off on ascending as I know guide says not to unless you get 8 copies. I'm at the wall right now where I need L or L+ level to advance my resonating crystal, however if I put all the fodder in I won't have room for my team is res crystal. I think swapping around chars is more helpful to have many? Maybe I just need to level my whole team though.
Mainly using Brutus, Atheus, with Ivan, Lady Simona, Lyca / Palmer / Rowan / Mehira / Nevanthi.
rem
Hey all. Can I get some help building 5 decent teams for campaign? 😅 Ch 37-56
Can someone experienced tell me a lineup to push campaign please, I started in new server btw and I’m kinda struggling
Go to the questions channel and peep the pins, look for “new player survival guide”, helps a ton
Tbh for campaign I just look at other people’s formations and build the closest thing I can to what they used
Any ideas on how to make my defense stronger? I can beat almost anyone except the 1-5 mega whales but it seems like almost anyone can beat me too
Si30 Emilia can improve your first formation, another support instead of rowan like lavatune or rosa. In the third bcz it's less tanky than the other put rock lizard.
But if you already know that I'm just dumb
Oooo super hood ideas. Lavatune over rowan you think? Okay I’ll try it
These are the pets I’m using and what I have available, look fine or any ideas there?
I still don’t fully understand how the pets interact in pvp yet so I’m bad at using the right ones
Nvm I thinked that you had some of your pets already at 9. Any other pets are ok
Oh no RCL if not 9?
Energy boost, cc, DMG, Energy restrainer. Reducing the stats of the enemies, Increase the stats of some heroes
Rcl?
Rock crown lizard
Lv9 lizard rock negates an instance of death and uses his ultimate right away
Ohhh I see, so owl would be better for now at 6? Or talismane
Anyone can help me with lineup for campaigns?
#classic-questions read the pins
What in the 😭
I’m literally stuck at 12-7 rn
I just came back from not playing for a year so my knowledge is basically zero💀
you messed up a lot..
I can tell.
Should I just create a new account and start again at this point 😭
Damn😭
Ok so is there any thing I need to pay attention to not screw up my restart-
Important part
Follow the guide in pins before you mess up something else
She’s a must have
The guide has the wishlist
It’s not that bad of restart tbh since you extremely early and don’t have much anyway
Hello, can I get suggestions how to beat this stage ? I just can't get past it. The account is like 2 days old, should I wait a bit and level up more my crystal first or is that fine ?
read the messages above you on what to do
Help
just read the guide up above and get yourself a rem
That’s what I’ve been following since the beggining. You can see almost all my characters are from that wishlist, but ofc there is no “use this 5 heroes” that’s why I was asking here
but its dont help me too much this guide anymore
rem, ivan and whatever energy/ tanking you need. that style of comp should last you until the 30
the guide tells you who to summon. you use whever you get the most copies of. if you get rem everyone else doesnt matter until you hit 2 stage teams which are a long time from now. rem and ivan ideally becuase hell keep her alive longer. the comp youve got now isnt good
thats my chars
spend all your diamonds on normal summons no matter what. do all your peaks of time, and forest mania, basically all the newbie events that dont have chapter requirements
Isummon like the guide said
bad characters. until they hit mythic at least.
then idk what to tell you, you arent summoning enough or you arent doing all the events and getting the shards from there. i started an account last week and im in chapter 25. rem is the carry ivan is support and everyone else is slotted in based on what she needs to ult
So there is nothing I can do except restart
this is a brand new account why would you restart
just get rem and youll be fine. but in order to do that you need to build up the barracks coins. you get those from doing summons
all your problems go away if you play all the other events they have going on right now. just summon
ok
you cant push campaign so you play the other modes
Ok
Any better positions?
Is malkrie good?
Hey guys i started new on a f2p account.Can anyone suggest me a team pls?
More of a pvp hero
Can someone please help me with the lineup
well for 1 your ascended too much
should i restart?
Might be the move also read the guide 🙂
ok ty
send help
I mean you don't got much to work with here just keep moving those heroes around until something works.
any suggestions on who to go where or u got no clue?
You could try corner rowan,palmer middle belinda. Jerome infront of palmer and new lb infront of rowan
Idea with that is to isolate rowan from jerome so that belinda gets the energy potion
need help with chapter 27
Can I get some help on clearing this stage? I want to be done with ch. 26 soon if that'd be possible
garrison emilia
I don't think I have enough tokens to do that right now.
i bet you do unless you wasted some
Who do I link her to?
I'll get home in a sec, I'll see if I can do that.
and you can use her in lb tower even while bound, so..
Who should I replace with Emilia if I get her?
Allright
Like this?
Get her si20 asap
that will take me a while
Does it win?
It doesn't, sadly.
Also si30 ivan
Can't do that immediately either
Swap rem and emilia?
Seems to be RNG, Tasi keeps targeting Rem
does ivan ult?
sometimes he does, sometimes Golus oneshots both him and Rem
give ivan luminous flight
give rem the free skill+1 shadow dancer
give emilia captive wings
I don't think I have any of those
then go do ghoulish gallery at least 3 times
