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Is there anyother thing i could to help out this team comp? Or do i just have to rng it and swap around positions...
I would love to use rowan or ferael but they just die instantly bc of thier low rating
I have rowan at legendary
3 actually
K
Do i get brutus any higher or just keep him at legandary+
I get that. I meant normal Brutus and what would my last character be to fill in the comp besides rowan and ferael bc i am working on getting more copies of them
It is gb tower...

I guess I have u on my fl? u can check my clear if so
I remember this floor being annoying
My luc dies in 2 hits when she gets into the fight lol
I still don't get how hyperinvesting into a carry helps. My tanks and stuff just dies like really fast and then stuff goes downhill from there
What I have now
I think wukong works better than Mirael as a carry untill 100+, which chapter are you on now? Also I'd swqp raku out of the crystal and add Daimon and maybe Oden in too. You can buy a couple of extra crystal slots for diamonds
And check afk helper for good comps no need to reinvent the wheel
Currently at 6-6, wym by afk helper?
The popular formations tab?
Ok ok thanks
hard stuck on campaign level. unsure what to do formation or hero wise. any help appreciated
That's why i said floor not stage
Use king and put the dark hero back line mid
stop giving bad advice pls ty
@lime willow bro im just saying what they can do with what they have
eironn out for arden might work
Or do u not want someone who has other accounts to help
?
And you told me to use faction advantage in a faction tower floor. You kidding me?
Thanks I’ll try 🙂
No but ik faction advantage can make all the difference
Yes but not in a gb tower. I can not use wilders as you said
Is that because u don't have them on that lvl i also said build up other factions
You can not use other factions in gb tower
Still got wasted :/ think i messed up early game being a noob so now I’m hard stuck
Use king
instead of who?
Oh i see
i still lose easily
Just build saveas. At low stages he is the best carry
Other heroes need investment to carry
Looks like you are quiet an old player. There are 7 towers
saveas just dies instantly no matter where i put him. i feel so stuck 😦
That wasn't out when i was playing
Tbh it was just King's when i was playing
@blissful hatch just don't worry
Get to lvl 160 all you will have 2 wait to pass it
Don't worry my very 1st account is stuck as well on the same stage
read the guides in #classic-questions pls
That is why i said build him. You actually made a mistake of making L+ heroes. You shoulf have built fodders like saveas anf mirael. Works well with Brutus
yeah i’m new and made dumb mistakes. just hope i can make up for it and continue as i don’t want to have to make a new account
Yep ur right there i made the mistake of accidentally upgrading brutus to red with my saveas
so you think try build saveas and mareal now?
I manage to portal the niru to create a path to isabella but i dont have the damage to finish her off before i get shredded.
Untill you build a eironn,ainz or daimon as carry saveas will carry you
daimon is L+
That is why i said carries needs investment. Daimon need SI30 and Furniture 3/9 to carry easily
Eironn needs 309
Ainz needs 303 at least
Mishka needs 309
So yeah go with saveas and mirael for now
try using nara front isa
damn are y'all trolling or actually dumb
i’m dumb/new
you're being given bad advices
unfortunately no one here gives a shit anymore. have fun!
Ferael then proceeds to shred daimon
Aight done
Is daimon supposed to be worse than brutus? I dont really see why so many people seems to recommend brutus when he dies so quickly
thats why i said i dont help anymore for today
daimon's a carry, brutus is a tank. brutus at lv 141 or higher give him immunity for 7 seconds. so no matter how strong the enemies are, his immunity duration is consistent.
other tanks against stronger heroes will most definitely die faster than the 7 second immunity
so daimon is better if Im below 141
can you please shut the fuck up in this server? i honestly feel sorry for these players after taking in the dogshit advices you've given
Chill
yes and no. daimon's skill sheet says that he's a tank but you're using him as a carry. but for tanks, yeah maybe other tanks can be better than brutus below level 141
That would help but its not very good on 11-35 but still worth keep trying
any to recommend based on this
reset mirael(or not), level daimon, push through chaps and summon more. if daimon's not making the cut since you aren't summoning him, you can go with mirael carry
hmm so wukong and daimon carry?
Brutus chimp panda are probably ur best there
My crystals gonna take a hit from how often I change my carries but sure
@keen rain think of the stage they on don't want them to use powerful Early because it don't always work
daimon carry. i dont think wukong can do much if you've already pushed, but he could serve a purpose as a 'sort of' tank if he doesnt die before casting ult
i have created an alt before and tested these shits so shit the fuck up and take a sit u fucking bitch.
I have 4 alts and have also tested this stuff
that's why i mentioned if daimon's not making the cut he can use mirael instead. do you think im giving some bullshit 'holy shit it's daimon, you should use him'
It's how ik they don't want to use powerful Early because it don't always work
you're litearlly at ch10 and you have knowledge to do so? woah, never knew that
wait so what I do now: reset brutus and mirael, invest everything into daimon, if it doesnt work then backtrack and pour everything into mirael instead
What stage u on?
What chapter is ur main ?
Just curious
6-6
if you think that you're qualified to give advices then sure do it, but try to apply your own advices in your account and see how fucking well it would work considering that you're stuck in ch15 for 2 months
11-35
Im out 
damn that's even worse than i've predicted
Ok use brutus and wokong
Dont waste ur time
good point
@royal stag sorry i have had a old wasy i have had several years away from the game
I mean s191 i think one of my accounts is on is probably fairly old
@sly thunder @echo locust @quaint kiln i just want to say that if you give advices like these irl, the earth would be doomed in less than a day. so basically you guys are fucking shitheads 
if possible, don't be dumbasses. if not possible, then don't spread it everywhere as it is contagious
quite impressed that you 3 were able to make this channel a circus
I got a bit frusturated there. Sorry about that
@keen rain i mean if this ain't helping people and them thanking me for it what do u call it?
Better stop. Making help channels a convo channel might lead to a warning
I get deleted pretty fast here
Tip ur most powerful are always at the top use them
Eironn gets banished
bro what are you talking about
at the top are your most invested heroes
Are also ur most powerful
Yes because u invited alot. In them unless u have a hero you. Just got thats new and. Needs building up then ur most invested ur most powerful
why are you trying to argue with more experienced people?
More experienced my azz
you are ch11 peak stfu
I dont need your sarcasm
Im glad my oldest Account got dleted
Apparently it was glitching but really was just whaled up
Tell my why my Lucretia has more Power then Mishka
This channel isn't about you or your problems go to another chat to complain
Whats your tree look like?
It's only 20 diamonds lol. Tbh I am trying an alt now, at like 7-7 now and wukong still works so didn't try changing it yet.
Well the level 96 in ranger and the +5 si over mishka might do it
Its her E86
Shiny stars
Anyhow dear god 5 pull cant pull this comp xD should i just pull out ainz or scarlet for this one?
Eironn can't pull because of Kelthur
Eironn needs to be faster than Kelthur. Not sure that’s possible
have you tried lyca instead o that brutus
zol 3f
Well, yes. But I don’t see that available in their box
I dont have zol
whale more 
try lyca for brutus
Not my box 
Everyone dies in 8 seconds
i know i wanted to tag him mb
does eironn pull with lyca?
No i had to put gear on eironn to make him pull
Takes both eironn fully geared and lyca to pull them
Just took like 11 retrys
Is this too much support
Id say not but put oden in the back and lyca in front, maybe throw brutus in if you need longer lasting front, nemora really isn't all that useful early same with pippa, i think pippa is mostly for thoran cheese
Ight thx
Also shpuld i try ascending brutus to legendary or just keep him elite+ instead
I'm having issues cheesing 40-44 and none of the afk helper's team seem to work
i know the deficit isnt massive and maybe it makes the cheese more rng but some people on afk helper are higher level and cheesed it
Round ?
that's the 5th fight
@winter marsh
well your deficit is bigger
Is angelo just so fast that eironn cany pull? How do i deal eith that
A 178 deficit is doable
i mean i'll try ^^
Pippa call and Lorsan hat
The problem is angelo normal attack hits eironn preventing him from pulling then everyone dies quick
aight i'll try this then
Ight so should i buy a thoran from lab to make him e+?
Congrats
if you cant exchange full 60, exchange for 30 or 45 
I guess thats possible
im currently running silas daimon belinda brutus and relif forces lucreita should i try replacing brutus with thoran for the buff with 3 graveborne
other bit
Anyone hero i should merc for this one, plus maybe a team idea maybe
I would ask the experts at #classic-questions , seems like you used up a lot of fodder on non optimal heroes so you might want to start over
It would matter later you will probably get stuck on progress and get bad rewards from modes with ladders so I hear
You should follow the ascension priorities at #faq-resources and only ascend heroes when you get 4/4 or 8/8 (daimon and rowan are exceptions).
yeah thing is i was playing without any help for a while and i didn't do that untill like chapter 23
These ones you should have saved your fodder and used on more useful heroes
Yeah my belinda is kinda annoying now
probably your wishlist is not optimal either
yeah should follow #faq-resources hero ascension priorities, a few of them are really not so useful, some do their job at E so you only need 1 copy
and never stargaze 4 faction heroes, stargazing is for celehypos only
4F are a lot easier to get you will eventually use them as fodder too, celehypos a lot more expensive in value
but going back to my question should i get thoran instead of brutus
lucretia is fine but it is recommended to get good 4F hero teams first since she is expensive to get to ascended and it will help you in multi battles
4F?
4 faction
yeah thought so
i was thinking daimon, silas, thoran, belinda(cos she is levelled) and someone else?
like I said you would probably get stuck later with these heroes, but if you want to try and keep going you can check afk helper for comps
can i save the account?
thoran is useful sometimes, there is no such thing as best comp it depends on what you're fighting against
I think you need to start over. You could get a better opinion than mine at #classic-questions that's what this channel is for
y tho I have spent alot of time into the acc suerly its not that bad
i have another account that i was working on that i used the tips for
Fodders get scarce later, they give you too many at the start and a lot of people make bad ascensions because of it. it could be months before you ascend important heroes you might need for campaign / faction towers
ok this looks better, safiya and cecillia only need 1 copy so swap them at the wishlist according to the pins and don't spend more fodder on safiya
What can i change at my team? At afk helper I saw people who didn't even have an Ascended hero winning this :p
Probably would be good to swap numisu for anasta
Hi all. I need some help for make 4 team for the campaign plz. Some one can help me ?
yeah sure I did
you never stargaze for any other unit but a celestial or hypogean
ok i will start doing that
silas can be targeted with a wishlist,faction scrolls, faction cards and 3k diamond for targetted summon
celestials and hypogeans pretty much stargazing only
yeah i used my 2 targeted for silas this morning
Any help?
It’s really investment that matters more. +30 on Raku and Rowan would help a lot
Rowan it's almost at si 30, just need some gold emblems as i already have 300 red chests
But Raku +30 probably is going to take some time
Any help for my extremely new team? Only been playing 2 days lol, I’m pretty much stuck at the end of Chap 12 for now and just trying to plan my next move. I’ve tried to only stick to increasing my fodder so I can use the crystal for everyone but Grez.
I don't think grez works as a carry so it probably shouldn't be the highest level, and also you should probably hold off ascending him before more important gbs because it is not very good without 9f. I'd probably go with Daimon and level him up as high as you can, other hero levels matter a lot less.
Also check afk helper for good comps.
Cool, maybe I'll knock him down a few. I got his SI to 20 and he tanks pretty hard, but usually my problem is a Vedan is left and I'm stuck figuring out ways to get some kind of DPS character to survive. Thanks for the help.
Daimon works well in those 1-1 situations with heals and shield while also doing good damage
I got those team i tried to make with Daimon, is there anything better than that?
You shoulda change and leave soon those heroes
yeah i know, it's just that i wait for my 5 others to get to M
These type of heroes are only able to upgrade as Legendary + , which means you can't get them as Ascended and so on, but they are excellent as materials to upgrade your other heroes to Myth or Myth+
yeah but can i just upgrade them to Myth only or do i really need to get Myth+ ?
I dont know if its understandable by that, but if you want to get a Myth character, you need one "ascendable" character as Legendary + .
Once you got that character as Legendary + , you need to have one more other character from the same faction (ex. Wilder+Wilder) as Legendary + too, to make your Ascendable character become Myth
Same goes again, but once u got your character as Myth, you need again a sam factioned character as Legendary + tier, to make your Myth character become Myth +
After your character became Myth + , you need 2x copy of that current Myth + character as Elite + . Once you got that 2x Elite + hero, you can make your hero become Ascended from Myth +
And after you got your character as Ascended, you only need to have is that character as Elite + each time you have him, you can get him one star. And the maximum is 5-star Ascended
If i understand right, i have right now 2 graveborn L+ that are used as fodders, if i want to up Thoran (i said him because i heard he's relly good in the campain) i can use one to get him M, the other for M+, but i will need 2 thoran E+ for Ascended
Exactly as you say
I really hoped I am understandable hahah 😄
Guys i'm stuck on 10-40. Can you help me to build best team possible for campaign
Silas is a good healer what can I say, Daimon is good for backline support, alongside with Awakened Brutus of yours. You should get Thoran as well, he is nice
I need some help
Wow lmao, as level 40 you got Lucretia as Myth+
Not even mentioning your chapter level wow
Who you wish to ascend?
No I need help with this chapter
Oh
@pale kettle yea I need help with this level
You need to get higher levels
Plus at least Myth + heroes since Legendary heroes are weak at that point
This good for beginners?
Yo can someone help me make a line up
Help im stuck
Where are your fodders 💀
Use rowan instead of thane. U dont have a healer.
JOA
Talene
Rowan
Daimon
Aezizh
Didn’t work prob underleveled
Try removing joa and put someone with cc like arden. Or just level up.
I usually use arden, doesnt work on this level
Who should I raise first eironn or saurus?
none
then who?
show box maybe?
Restart right now
may i know why?
Anyone got suggestions on comp to build out of this roster? I've been stuck on 35-60 for a Couple weeks now
Right now I need 4 teams for these stages
You shouldn’t start ascending 4 skill heroes until you have 4 e+ copies of them. Making a hero legendary is a waste of resources that you are then waiting on good rng to continue ascending
I see, ill try to restart
If u decide to restart i recommend reading the pinned beginner guides in #classic-questions.
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Help me build a good team
=afkhelper
bad
Can anyone come up with a good team comp? My formation is so bad right now. Stuck at 30-12
I can ascend oden and grezhul, which one of this 2 od better im my team ?
well you eventually want both ascended 1 star
i think grez first because he is used all over the place and oden is great for sapping energy
how many furn for both
so oden imo
OK. I will ascend grezhul too but need to farm fodders first so i decided to go for one of them now
im still waiting for 1 elite copy of thoran to get him to ascended
no need to rush thoran
i want to focus on grezhul now (at least from graveborn faction)
would you suggest any heroes from other factions i should focus on ?
Suggestions? Or am I just too low in level?
Tried a lot of comps with different formations including oden/rosa/grez/raku/lyr/ez and those in the picture. Everything dies too fast. Help much appreciated
I really like this team but daimon keeps dying so should I replace them?
Probably cuz I can't ascend them
Daimon never wants to be frontline, that is why he's dying. Slot brutus in your RC and put him in front of Daimon.
Make sure to read the beginner guides pinned in #classic-questions and stop making heroes L that you can't bring to L+.
Wait what's rc
resonating crystal
More or less, although you'd also be much better off also using Oden instead of tasi
Something like that, yeah. Ezizh' position can be entirely variable based on what you're going against, you can toss him directly across from a hero that is giving you issues
Okay
Worth noting. Raku is +30 and 3f on grez. Oden. Daimon
If silv is targeting rowan and nuking daimon after you might have to drop rowan/put frontline below brutus
It didn't work now Brutus keeps dying and does like 500 damage max
Im stuck at 5-32 with this team, any tips how to improve?
Read the beginner guides in the pins in #classic-questions , they go over the early game well. You more or less will use wu-kong as a primary carry until your heroes are 100+ ish and/or you have daimon
Best rng i get is everyone dead but fawkes and then thoran dies. Any suggestions?
do you have pippa +20?
wanna see if u guys think this is possible, been trying to rush to stage 16-20 for extra rewards
No sadly, Pippa isn't m yet
your deficit doesnt look that high. have you tried anything from =afkhelper ?
I always forget that lol, none of the in game suggestions are helpful
me who checked and all r at least lvl 165 for my stage 
its not that useful early game
That doesn't matter as much as you think, it's only 20 levels
And why do i use wukong until 100 and then mirael? Why not use her before? Didnt find an explanation in the guide
you can use mirael but wukong is your carry for free untill lvl 100
so there is no point using wukong when i already have mirael on E+?
depends, he just solo carries until then, and she may not work as well until she has more skills unlocked etc.
can pretty much have 4 level 1 heroes with wu-kong and he does the same first handful of chapters
been trying to do it for an hour or so, jsut cant seem to get it to work, ig imma just wait 
that is a big part of the game, the earlier you get used to it the easier it gets to just walk away for a bit until you get more resources etc lol
ye, was just trying to get to 16-20 so i get a bit more from afk, guess not that lucky this time
Reached level 100 and 7-16, what should my lineup look now
Read the pinned beginner guides in #classic-questions so u know what to do early and to avoid mistakes like what u did on daimon and raku. U can try this lineup: daimon,brutus/athane,silas,rowan and astar/arden/ferael/oden.
who should I go first? mythic+ daimon or legendary+ silas? also if I mythic+ daimon I'll use shemira as food after I get the 7th day sign in rewards, is it ok to feed her?
Dont feed shemira. It is never a good idea to feed A tier heroes.
oh ok thanks so I just wait for food?
Yes just wait for food.
oh yeah I forgot I also still has the chest u get after clearing ch 12, who should I get there? thinking of getting mishka since I just need 1 more copy to get her to legendary+ but hesitating since I might get a copy from tavern or smthng
wait I dont really get what to put in resonating crystals, is it just the 5 core members I used on my main squad? And when is it a good idea to reset heros
and in the guide terminology I keep seeing something called "fodder", can I check if those mean the stuff you put in resonating crystals
Hey, I tried this but still fail. I might have missunderstood
early game you put whoever that is capable of being leveled up depending on ascension and your carry, and you can switch it up if needed later depending on which ones of them you can ascend etc.
Fodder are the heroes with 3 skills that you ascend from blue to purple.
Help me build
you can feed shemira because she's not useful like in the past
cr boss u can merc shemira from people, and some people said keep it to link with a dimensional hero, i personally will feed her for faster progress
just merc a scarlet and put something tanky front
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Hey i seem to not be able to beat this, my team can't kill one guy, and my crystal can't be increased since all but 2 reached max level. My suport at the back dies in like 20 seconds, then brutus and then thoran.
Should i place my carry in the front line, since he is like 20lvl above my supports? I feel like the supports instantly die
I tried moving my front line as suggested but still stuck. Any help?
do u have eironn
Only 5 copies. Wait I will send my box
Will try. I sent the pics but phone is being slow
Add me 143737219 and see if u can copy my team, i remember i pass it when my daimon is still lv240
Added you
Need help from you thoran cheese experts.
Trying to copy this r2 thoran cheese with a +20 thoran, most times it dies before even using his ult I am guessing because Rowan is not in the team.
Been at it for a few days, is this impossible without +30 or just high rng? Do I need to consider changing some heroes?
guys can anybody put SS wish list in summoning from best 5 heroes of each faction please?
from #classic-questions pin (beginner guide)
@old token ty so much
Is this good for now?(brutus, wu Kong, oden, rowan and mehira) still waiting to unlock one more space in resonating crystal for mehira tho
getting frustrated 
have you tried brutus?
Yeah but the 3 enemy backline keeps getting a sweep after Mirael ults
The video above is just the latest attempt
Is this good? I use the 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 in every battle.
Should I prioritise one and level up one more then the others or?
Double check your wishlist (just checking) Overall good start if your wishlist was set correctly
For you, focus on Daimon and 4 other fodders (ideally Mirael, Saveus, Arden, Silvina); focus on Daimon he's your carry now
Use resonating crystal for all else
BTW I don't see Wu-Kong. Just hit share when you can and it's yours (no need to actually share)
you could try putting the nara in your crystal to try and CC one of the backline units
May I share my wishlist here, would like to see of its correct or not?
Should look like this from beginner guide
Yeah will do
it's my first major wall haha
thanks for response
Thank you, I'll fix some spots in it, otherwise it pretty similar to the picture.
Nara position 4 and try around probably for Silas
Who would you recommend I switch out for Nara? I'm thinking Rosa
daimon rowan silas nara oden
If i already got a character from the wishlist should i still leave them in it or change it to another one?
@old token maybe this will work for you^^
ooooooo looks promising thank you!!
Also, where is the share button, i can't find it ingame.
Look at the picture. The five on the left are your mainstay until you get 8 copies. In the fifth slot of the 5 mainstays, put those single character on right in until you get one copy and switch back to 5th slot mainstay.
Hope this makes sense.
EDIT: literal interpretation of that picture; people modify it to their needs
if it does not work you could sub silas for odin but if oden doesn't survive behind brutus then you might want to use someone else
So basically i should put those characters in the first slot on left that i need and when i get them just change back to the original order?
I think share button only appears when you pull an elite hero from Tavern
No haha
The character on the right (the single picture) is someone recommended you need only one copy for. Put these guys in the 5th right most slot until you get 1 copy, then switch back to what was originally recommended
So like for the first row, instead of the maid, put in the nun; after you get one copy of the nun, put the maid back in
Okay got it, thank you.
Thanks!!! 24 hrs until I can put Nara in haha crossing my fingers it works
Should i reset a hero and level up extra more Daimon and put the rest back to the reseted hero?
Since all are on the same level i though i should level up a prioritise daimon
something like this yeah
for me instead of Silvina, I put in Rowan
ideally you want daimon to always be 40 levels above the rest of your team when possible
that is if you can take him far enough by having enough copies of him
for example have 2 copies of him right now and because of that you could be really unlucky and not get anymore copies of him for a long time which means he gets stuck at legendary
for that reason it is highly recommended that you do not get any heroes to legendary unless you are able to take them to legendary + right away which takes an additional 2 copies of the hero
Oh okay, that makes sense thank you guys!
Yah to reiterate only ascend fodder for now (I recommend Mirael/Arden/Saveus/Silvina and maybe Hogan if you aren't able to get Daimon to L+)
All else keep at Elite+
Your fodder is what will get you up in levels (as they go on the resonating crystal)
Can you guys please explain what fodder is and all that about it?
fodder are the heroes that go to legendary+
For example Daimon
They have 3 skills (as opposed to 4)
they are basically food for the heroes that can go to ascended 5 stars
So should i basically put my 5 heroes i use for battle in the upper 5 slots?
any hero that can go to ascended 5 star is not instantly considered a fodder hero you could argue that if theres a hero that can go to ascended 5 star but is really bad that you could use it for upgrading better heroes but wayyyy later you could use the bad ascended heroes for the extra levels on your crystal but you dont have to worry about that untill wayy later
@ashen pumice this is a perfect example of what you should be trying to do with your levels upgrading the fodder heroes to L+ or good heroes to L+ when you have enough copies
It's hard to explain I barely have a grasp around it but it's becoming abundantly clear at my current stage that ascending fodder was the way to go forward. If I had chosen to ascend non-fodder, I wouldn't have been able to break the 140 level cap as soon as I did, because I just wouldn't have enough copies.
With the fodder on the crystal, easy 160 cap
Versus sitting around on Legendary (at 140 cap) because I don't have enough copies to ascend
Plus the nice bonus with focusing on Fodder to L+ first is you can feed them to the actual heroes you want.
In my case, as soon as I was able to get enough copies of Daimon to L+, I fed him Silvina for quick Mythic
Okay now i understood, had to watch a video about it since it hell of confusing. So that's clear and in Resorating Crystal which heros should go into the upper 5 slots and which in that down grid slots?
yes for you, upper five slots should be Daimon Mirael Saveus Arden Silvina
I think general consensus from lurking discord is that Daimon and Rowan are okay if you have them instead of fodder
all other non-fodder heroes should not be touched until you know for sure what you need
And just to be sure we're on the same page, your upper five slots go on top of this screenshot; the heroes you want to "play with" are manually input in the bottom
In other words, the only heroes I focus on leveling up are those 5 above; no other heroes have been touched
But if i put daimon on top and can't put it in manually on the bottom but i want to play with him then?
he's the special case
You can level him instead of fodder
Him and I believe Rowan, no one else especially early game
This is mine currently.
So the 5 heros i want to level up and FOCUS on, should go up and all the other down that i can choose manually?
yeah that's fine you're not at the E+ level cap yet
You will need fodder to break that level cap since fodder are the only heroes recommended to be ascended (+Daimon and Rowan)
Yup! In your case it would be Daimon + 4 fodders (I recommend Mirael/Arden/Saveus/Silvina)
Until you get to hero level 100, doesn't really matter
The faster and earlier i understand will be better for me later on 😄 Let me just see if i have the heros you recommend and i will reset all other heroes except daimon and level up the ones you recommended if i have them ofc
You don't have to reset right now
Daimon is Elite+
So when?
I'm saying once everyone reaches their level cap, then reset them and put the levels into fodder which you will focus on moving forward
right now, your cap is 100 (it takes the lowest teir/level of your five main heroes on the crystal to determine the cap)
So like of your 5 main heroes, if one of them is only elite, then your cap is 100
I'm saying once you reach this cap, then reset and switch to focusing on the fodder
Keep Daimon as is, his cap is 120 right now (he is elite+)
Would you be willing to talk in Voice chat? I'm so sorry but i completely don't understand anything now.
You're going to run into a problem once everyone is Elite+ and level 120
No I can't I'm at work LOL
Oh lmao
What me and that other person was saying earlier is that the only way to move the level cap forward is to ascend, BUT ONLY ASCEND FODDER since ascending is entirely reliant on the number of copies you can get
That's why it's better to wait until you can get to L+ from E+ versus sitting on L
Also easier to gather the necessary copies to L+ with fodder (versus non-fodder)
So Fodders get scended to the hero i will mainly use so that that hero is stronger, is that right?
fodders to L+, no one else (except Daimon and Rowan if you have enough copies)
this is the TL;DR of this entire conversation LOL
DM me in like 6 hours I can talk more later haha
That will most likely be when i wake up in the morning but i'll make sure. It's hard for me to understand so complex terms and systems over text only.
By the time you get Daimon and your 4 fodders to Elite+/level 120, if you can't get Daimon to L+, then I would reset him and focus on a 5th fodder
We'll talk it over Vc since talking further won't result in helping since since i don't understand it. But i appreciate your effort.
Haha no worries, just don't ascend anyone past Elite+ until you understand the implications

Alright thank you, will make sure. For now Elite+ is the max!
Yes!!! Haha! Exactly
Idk guys how to keep ainz alive
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nara for nemora
What?
put nara in and nemora out
Ok did thanks
@old token Hi, idk if you are available but should I do this?
do what
yeah E+ is fine
Alright thank you!
dont go any higher unless youre sure what you need/want; if you dont get the necessary copies for your carries your progress might slow down but its SUPER worth it in the long-run
Will not, I will go until E+ and I will only then go to L+ for example on Daimon when I know that I have enough copies.

Any ideas?
Any team ideas for this ?
@wanton knoll hey just wanted to thank you for earlier for 13-34 brutus+nara worked great 
Fusion Ainz with Rosaline, Arthur Daimon Oden Farael Ainz
Any tips
Could I get help with a PvE team
I'm willing to lvl up whoever I just do t know who to use
I'm pretty early on in the game (I'm at floor 7-10)
I think u should level only 5 heroes and put the ones u want to use in crystal but I'm not sure so don't believe me
That's the thing, I don't even know who I want too use
Daimon's a good carry
Daimon needs a little work mirael is the best carry this early i think daimon can carry when has a bit invested in him and he needs a silas to support him for powerimg through chapters later till he reaches late 20's
Mirael, rowan, brutus, antandra or lucius and nemora? You really need 1 carry and a tank and the rest are supports
Alr thanks alot for the help
What part of it
Is the list like who I lvl up first. I dont really understand it in general
Its who you want on your wishlist
Wishlist?
In the noble tavern
His mirael is already L he can use it as carry
The link i post3d for you to read is who you want on the wishlist first till you have 8 copies of each of them then the you along the list till you have 8 copies of all the heroes, its also in order of what you want to ascend your heroes
Oh ok
"Fodder" heroes like mirael can only go to L+ max and you use the "Fodder" heroes to feed your other heroes to eventually reach the acended tier
Ah
This link explains how the ascending works
Alr
@glass warren thank you very much for you help but last question, is there any order I need to lvl um my characters?
Dump all levels into your carry as much as you can but your just leveling 5 characters till you unlock crystal
same advice as this #lineup-help message
waste of exp all those ~20 level heroes.
Put everything into athane/daimon that will carry you for a while
I need help with this stage
nara opposite of isa, thoran and daimon swap imo
but nara for pop
if thoran dies instant put brutus in
nara?
try nara for thoran fera for pop
alr
the hooker
what does nara do
pull
she pulls the enemy opposite to her and chain ccs
which can potentially disrupt game-starting casts like eironn pull
i would set it up like 1. lyca 2. brutus/thoran 3. oden 4. daimon 5. nara
Lyca Brutus Oden Daimon Nara
smh
I didn’t see what you typed 

Oh no its multi teams alr?
Check the other team though lol. The first ones are easy don't worry
Help please. Can’t seem to get passed this stage.
try swapping rowan and daimon, and replacing lyca with fera
cant guarantee that it would work though
Good morning guys, I'm new to the game and I wanted some help to form a good team to go up easier in the campaign, can anyone help me?
Took a few tries but it worked. Thanks
Hi I recommend reading the pinned beginner guides in #classic-questions. There are so many useful information there like mistakes to avoid,wishlist,what to do early game,lineup suggestions,etc.
Ok thank you
Chapter 36 🤣
omg:)ty
Need some advice for my line up
Which 5 here?
Priorities for Furniture
https://discord.com/channels/441477431501783060/994911949525614644
ive stuck for half an hour now any tips?
Help please
From the looks of it, you didn't read or didn't follow the beginner's guide. You are leveling a-tier heroes without having 8 copies of them. You can do that with Daimon and Rowan with 4 copies so you can take them to Mythic, but you're dumping fodder into heroes without knowing when you'll have the copies to take them to A. That's going to handicap you very soon. I'd consider resetting all of your a-tier heroes except Daimon. Go with the 4 fodder heroes from the beginner guide pinned to #classic-questions, except for Hogan. Get them to L+ and lvl 160 unless you get 8 copies of someone before that. Make sure your wishlist matches the beginner guide too
So I didn't follow the beginner's guide, because at the time that I started this bout, I didn't know about it. This is my second server, and I reached Ch. 16 easily whereas on my first server, I was deadlocked on Chapter 14 with heroes I'd later find out were complete fodder. Is it too late for me for this round? Should I start over?
Why suggest ascending to L+ when they don't have the copies to go to A?
How far into the game? Why isn't she even in the top 5 priority heroes for Mauler if she's so OP?
Antandra is only good for cr and tower
Yeah, that's what I had gotten from the Ascension 101 guide. Thanks.
Hardstuck
At that level, it's mostly just about waiting to level your heroes. Also, just based on what I'm seeing, you're setting yourself up for some really sad times ahead. Read the beginner's guides pinned to #classic-questions, especially Phoenix's. Also: =earlygame
You ascend fodders to L+ and level them to 160 when you start in the early game.
(In levels 0-100, if you don't get a copy of Daimon early, you should level Wukong to level 100, then reset him and focus on Fodders or Daimon if you have 4 copies of him, otherwise level fodders and put Daimon on crystal. Read the pinned guide for more information and how to get Wukong.)
You do this to see what hero you get the most copies of to eliminate RNG.
This is not to make the mistake of making many heroes L without the copies for L+, essentially just wasting fodder.
Remember, 1 Ascended hero > 40 L heroes. L doesn't give anything worth compared to Ascending a hero fully.
When you're level capped at 160, you take the L+ fodder you build and feed it into an A-tier hero, so you can level to 180.
This is because you need an L+ fodder to take an L+ Ascended tier to M. You need 8/8 copies of a hero to ascend them to A (4 to L+ and 4 to A = 8).
Make sure it's a priority hero, and the one closest to 8/8 copies (Unless Daimon, Rowan & Raku, as long as you have 4/8 copies of those, you do them first as they get their power from their Signature item, which will help a lot in early/mid game).
(+30 Rowan > +30 Raku as your first priorities. Daimon only needs +20 and is a priority over Rowan and Raku.)
I like torturing myself im doing no team faction buffs
can anyone help me make a lineup. im a returning player and dont know the meta heroes or comps
Help
Flora...
I'm stuck at chapter 12 and idk what changes i'm gonna do. can someone guide me with the lineups, who to invest or to ascend
make sure to read the beginner guides pinned in #classic-questions , at least the visual guide by Phoenix. They are a wealth of knowledge; If you haven't, try not to make heroes L if you can't take them to L+, but Daimon is one of the rare exceptions to that rule and will be the core of your lineup for a long time. Oden also, although Brutus (the regular version) is a waste being just as good at E. Just something to keep in mind for a general rule.
Line-up will probably be some variation of daimon with Brutus in front of him, oden, and rowan. Perhaps thoran, and lyca can be a good complement if you grab a copy of her.
Is Tasi or Lyca better with Daimon team?
Lyca. Tasi is very mediocre, Lyca's haste is strong.
I've never understood the "don't take a hero to L without going to L+" rule. It doesn't really apply to your initial fodder. And I thought you weren't supposed to take a hero to L at all without being able to go to A (or M for some exceptions like Rowan). Can you explain it to this poor noob? 🙏
It takes two E+ fodder that could be used towards an L+ fodder that is then used to take a key L+ hero to M, unlocking signature items. Just making L is mostly just better stats, doesn't matter besides on your main carry
Right, which still means to me that you shouldn't even take a hero past E+ if you don't have the copies to take them to M, at the very least. So, is that advice saying to not even take that hero to L unless you have the fodder to take them to L+ too? Seems to me like once you have the fodder to take them to L, if you have to copies to take them to M or A, go for it while you wait for enough fodder to keep ascending further. What am I missing?
Later on yeah, I wouldn't really take any that I can't ascend unless there is a good reason, but early on you get level capped after L+ and you likely will need to ascend before 8 copies, that's why I'd generally say it to early players
Edit: L+ doesn't take more fodder than L? When you can make them L+, you have already enough copies to make them M/M+ with more fodder.
Ah...that make sense. Thanks for the explanation. I guess I got lucky and was able to ascend a GB hero before I was level capped, then heroes from the other factions just followed. That's why I hadn't ever run into that scenario. 🙏
Gotcha, think that's where we got confused, lol. L+ fodders cap you out at 160
Yeah, I am aware of that, but I just never ran into too much trouble with it cuz I got some lucky good timing with enough A-Tier heroes that it didn't impact me much.
Hi! Is there anything I can do better at this stage?
Post the rest of your box. Can't really see what options you have. Not that I'm promising anything, but it'll help us help you, for sure.
Try putting in Solise instead of Arden. She's been pretty good for me if she lasts long enough to ult. Your power deficit isn't terrible, so you stand a chance. You can also try putting Daimon up front. Switch around the order in various ways and see if any of them work better for you. I often find that just by switching the order of the front two or some of the back heroes, it makes a huge difference.
thanks so much
No problem
do u think i have any chance of continuing? cuz i messed up big time
I don't see why not. Just reset the heroes that you messed up. You'll get all the resources you put into them back. Put those back into the heroes that follow the guide and off you go.
ok
Im on chapter 22 atm and have enough resources for my first loan of dimensional heroes.. Who should i get first ?
If you can save up and get Joanne for free that would be nice
Like this
Ohh, its still locked 9d
Do you have enough resources?
Is she better than anyone here ?
Well I couldn’t tell ya. But I know it’s better to own her, you can always borrow them later
Only 40.. I think i could make it in 9d
Do every arcane and do summons
You don’t replace, you link
No, i mean who to replace in my usual line up..
Im using daimon, mishka, racoon, ferael and desira for campaign
If i want to put joanne in, who should i take out ?
Sometimes i use lyca to replace either ferael or racoon
You will need more teams anyways, so it’s best to have her
When you progress in campaign, you’ll have to fight more than one team
So you’ll need multiple good teams
And when you get to chapter 35, you’ll need 4 good teams
I see, so for now i should save my resources for jane
I would do that
Lol I just passed that floor today
I got lucky so I couldn’t tell you, but this is what I used
I have none of those built 
How do I do this? Fawkes grabs daimon and then the rest of the team dies
What’s an good team I can make or just who should I focus in leveling?
Antandra is bad for campaign. Kren is the only mauler to build early game for dps
Only level up 5 people, and put the rest in the crystal
I think Daimon Rowan Oden Lucius and someone else.
So don't level a hero to legendary unless you can take them to legendary+
You should stop leveling your a-tier heroes. Reset them. Read beginner's guides pinned in #classic-questions. Also =earlygame
You ascend fodders to L+ and level them to 160 when you start in the early game.
(In levels 0-100, if you don't get a copy of Daimon early, you should level Wukong to level 100, then reset him and focus on Fodders or Daimon if you have 4 copies of him, otherwise level fodders and put Daimon on crystal. Read the pinned guide for more information and how to get Wukong.)
You do this to see what hero you get the most copies of to eliminate RNG.
This is not to make the mistake of making many heroes L without the copies for L+, essentially just wasting fodder.
Remember, 1 Ascended hero > 40 L heroes. L doesn't give anything worth compared to Ascending a hero fully.
When you're level capped at 160, you take the L+ fodder you build and feed it into an A-tier hero, so you can level to 180.
This is because you need an L+ fodder to take an L+ Ascended tier to M. You need 8/8 copies of a hero to ascend them to A (4 to L+ and 4 to A = 8).
Make sure it's a priority hero, and the one closest to 8/8 copies (Unless Daimon, Rowan & Raku, as long as you have 4/8 copies of those, you do them first as they get their power from their Signature item, which will help a lot in early/mid game).
(+30 Rowan > +30 Raku as your first priorities. Daimon only needs +20 and is a priority over Rowan and Raku.)
Just started recently, been going along and reading the beginner guides. I’m still a bit confused on what to do with my team tho, any suggestions?
@cloud ridge
you're doing great
you'll run into a wall soon at level 120
stay strong and only ascend your fodder
you'll hit another wall at 160 but hopefully by then you'll have better choices as to who to ascend (i'm not there yet myself so perhaps other people will chine in on what to do at 160)
EDIT: realized I didn't answer your question lol at this point just play around with team compositions; it's common to retry tens to hundreds of times as you do campaign
Gotcha, thanks a lot. And yea I’m working my way to getting L+ fodders, haven’t been getting a lot of luck in getting epics so hopefully by then I’ll have some dupes of stuff I want to work on
By chance, what point are you at in the game?
Chapter 14-1 haha
Based on looking at my guildmates accounts, it looks like their level cap are still around 160 by chapter 19, but they do have ascended heroes at I want to say 180-200
What I'm saying is that the L+ fodder at level 160 will be fine for a "relatively" long time
Caveat, most people at that point should probably have a well-developed carry (usually Daimon)
Yea, I’m always curious about how some people at our levels have heroes most would considered to be end game
Whaling would be a safe bet I’d reckon
Extreme luck
I started an alt because I couldn't beat a stage and got an awakened Talene lol
Holy hell, then are you ever gonna use that account with something like that?
Yeah I'm running two now lol
The technically f2p has an awakened talrne and that hero is a bonafide carry (for where I am in the campaign)
For this account no such luck but already spent a little bit x_x
so i cant just abandon this account lol...
I mean once you get to stargazing, you’re sure to get an awakened talene at some point, so just keep pushing
Pretty much; not complaining at all

Sum 1 gave me this team and I'm just making sure if it's good or if it could be better
I don't mind leveling up anyone if needed
you know you only need to lvl up 5 heroes at a time?
rest can go on crystal
and read the guides in #classic-questions 
Yea but I have gone through a couple teams so I lvled them
you can put those heroes on resonating crystal
is thane the veiled wind good
need help with lineups for general content of the game , any recommendations?
Help everyone dies immediately
I need some helpppp
post it here
box of heros?
luci
reg brutus
silias
talene
aw ezizh
Didn't work
how many times did you try it?
10 so far
give lyca a try rather than talene i didnt see her the first time
i see not having skriath A with 3 furn is whats stopping you
could try this
luci
brutus
eironn
aw ezizh
lyca
How do u have so many ascended heroes at lvl 51
$$$ or luck but prob money
Damn
could u help me out too?
@weak folio I got lucky
I kepted pulling doubles for almost everyone I had built up
I pulled like 4 doubles for luci
general team is
daimon
brutus
rowan
lyca
situational
fareal oden
take rowans signature item to 30 asap itll allow daimon to ult quicker and allows his shield to scales faster
okay, right now his item is at 20. i’m waiting until i have enough to max it in one go. i also need help with this stage if possible
rosa
lyca
rowan
brutus
daimon
avoid taking more hero to Legendary and legendary+ i can tell you probably did it to save space but its hindering your Ascention progress to get more hero choice picks
put duras call on daimon if you havent
yea, i learned i shouldn’t do that earlier today so i’ve been working on it
and it is already, i’ll lyk how it goes
that formation is to avoid estrilldas dash if lyca dies doesnt matter since she will give a haste buff for the first 8 seconds of battle regardless of if she dies
i tried maybe 10 times and still can’t win
no problem if you want a tool outside of asking here use https://afkhelper.nax.is/ click campaign then enter the stage and youll be able to see other people clears who are similar level to you
okay, thank you
Help im stuck
I'll try that
Help
doesnt seem to be working either
maybe it's bc my ezizh is only L idk
What seems to be the problem? Is thoran not ulting or not dealing enough dmg?
not ulting
Whats your tank tree at? Might want to increase it for a bit more haste 🤔
27
Damn, upgrade it. I finished it with 77 (and thoran e11/ can be neglected) and kadezh also used 62
give me a thoran comp plz
For what use? If you want to thoran cheese in campaign, you need to tell us the specific stage
a all use comp?
Or take a look at afkhelper as already mentioned
That doesnt exist, since enemy formations always differ from the previous ones
grave born tower plz
Like I said, name the specific stage, there is no "all use comp" for thoran in any gamemode
ok 40-4
https://afkhelper.nax.is/campaign.php?chapter=40&stage=4
Just copy paste a team which you have the heroes for
Obv with a similiar level
Thoran cheese want 180lvl deficit to work properly
what do you mean?
What exactly dont you understand?
can someone help
Tasi is a hard counter to Daimon. I don’t see another carry option in your box though. Silas instead of pop might be better? Probably gonna take a lot of retries though
i just got ascended oden will that help
Higher ascension helps a bit with the increase in stats, but the real power increase comes from adding furniture bonuses, just like getting to mythic unlocks the SI
It doesnt work
Anyone got a Thoran cheese solution for 39-32 with a deficit of around 150? I've tried pretty much everything in afkhelper but nothing's worked for some reason
is this a good team comp as a beginner (chapter 6)
looks good
I invariably use AwEzizh to put Tasi or Nemora to sleep when I'm faced with them. Gives Daimon time to kill them before they ramp up and make him useless.
Hello
I got Rowan and Anasta. On the picture you can see my current build, should I switch any hero to either Rowan or Anasta maybe?
I need some assistance
You are going to want to read the beginner's guides. In particular, Phoenix's guide. Also, read this:
=earlygame
You ascend fodders to L+ and level them to 160 when you start in the early game.
(In levels 0-100, if you don't get a copy of Daimon early, you should level Wukong to level 100, then reset him and focus on Fodders or Daimon if you have 4 copies of him, otherwise level fodders and put Daimon on crystal. Read the pinned guide for more information and how to get Wukong.)
You do this to see what hero you get the most copies of to eliminate RNG.
This is not to make the mistake of making many heroes L without the copies for L+, essentially just wasting fodder.
Remember, 1 Ascended hero > 40 L heroes. L doesn't give anything worth compared to Ascending a hero fully.
When you're level capped at 160, you take the L+ fodder you build and feed it into an A-tier hero, so you can level to 180.
This is because you need an L+ fodder to take an L+ Ascended tier to M. You need 8/8 copies of a hero to ascend them to A (4 to L+ and 4 to A = 8).
Make sure it's a priority hero, and the one closest to 8/8 copies (Unless Daimon, Rowan & Raku, as long as you have 4/8 copies of those, you do them first as they get their power from their Signature item, which will help a lot in early/mid game).
(+30 Rowan > +30 Raku as your first priorities. Daimon only needs +20 and is a priority over Rowan and Raku.)
Thank you, but what is RNG?
RNG = Random Number Generator. When we use it as above, it just refers to the random uncertainty of outcomes. So, one person may get 8 copies of Daimon early while another won't get any.
help >.<
who do i replace?
they’re not my heroes, brutus is someone else’s
no my maulers are very bad i don’t have any
New here. Been playing for less than a month. F2P so far. Was wondering if I invested in good heros and if not which ones should I divert my focus to. Thanks
do u have lyca and/or lorsan
i have lyca legendary
U dont have a single brutus copy?
Note that brutus is fine even if he's just e or e+. Heck even if he doesnt have gears he can still tank better than ur lucius.
=earlygame
You ascend fodders to L+ and level them to 160 when you start in the early game.
(In levels 0-100, if you don't get a copy of Daimon early, you should level Wukong to level 100, then reset him and focus on Fodders or Daimon if you have 4 copies of him, otherwise level fodders and put Daimon on crystal. Read the pinned guide for more information and how to get Wukong.)
You do this to see what hero you get the most copies of to eliminate RNG.
This is not to make the mistake of making many heroes L without the copies for L+, essentially just wasting fodder.
Remember, 1 Ascended hero > 40 L heroes. L doesn't give anything worth compared to Ascending a hero fully.
When you're level capped at 160, you take the L+ fodder you build and feed it into an A-tier hero, so you can level to 180.
This is because you need an L+ fodder to take an L+ Ascended tier to M. You need 8/8 copies of a hero to ascend them to A (4 to L+ and 4 to A = 8).
Make sure it's a priority hero, and the one closest to 8/8 copies (Unless Daimon, Rowan & Raku, as long as you have 4/8 copies of those, you do them first as they get their power from their Signature item, which will help a lot in early/mid game).
(+30 Rowan > +30 Raku as your first priorities. Daimon only needs +20 and is a priority over Rowan and Raku.)
my maulers^
u have brutus
yeah but legendary
I recommend reading the pinned beginner guides in #classic-questions. Stop investing on nemora,shemira, and brutus. Brutus is fine at low ascension,u wont need nemora until way way later and shemira is bad.
its still fine, we need the immunity so that solise can have time to ult
It doesnt matter. Fuck ascension when brutus is immune to dmg for 7 seconds.
Thank you
i tried it. it doesn’t help
use this lineup if it doesnt work try replacing lucius with lyca
i am using that
if not try using luc team
The issue here is u dont have a reliable carry. Shemira and belinda both suck. Lucius is also terrible cuz he will prolly get oneshotted.
yep basically what happens
true, meta changes, they'd be very good carry in the past but for now they suck
do u have the swap scroll
i used to play 3ish years ago so i invested into them now they seem useless
Yea i think u should. Just follow the guides then ur good.
i did, not anymore i used it on my ascended khasos for daimon, and i had a spare copy of daimon to get him 1 star
If u r playing on the old server i suggest restarting
Ur gonna struggle in pvp.
why?
other people r strong thats why -,- and u'll get less challenger coins
so what do i do?
Ur going against people that made 3 ish years of progress.
And pvp is important especially treasure scramble. They give really good rewards.
playing on the latest server, dont make mistakes like newbie and focus on ur main carry
i have this account which is server s997
That's a very good hero box except that L+ shemira.
i suggest creating a new account in the latest server so that u can catch up with people
should i not use the account above?
s997 so dont, u can wait till s1002 release then play
when will that be?
they never tell us when will new server release
oh ok
want to ask for a comp to push lightbearer tower
Im at floor one
Back after a couple year hiatus, spent the last few days catching up and pushing stages. Now I’m stuck at 29-60 after catching up on things and I have hit a brick wall.
This is pretty much everything I have. I can post by faction if it’s easier, but looking for 29-60 help and any additional advice to catch up on meta!
Do you guys have some tips for upgrading or making a team
Need help please
this is my team rn i havent pulled more than one daimon i followed the guide in the pins should i change anything?
I am stuck on the campaign 9-12 can someone help me to do a team?
any suggestion?
you're fine fam, if you want to optimize it though, id swap out tasi for any potential cc heroes if ever you managed to pull em otherwise arden might be a good choice
swap lyca rowan, fera instead of oden
no mythic weapon on fera if possible, rng fear both arden and tasi and see if it works. you can also do daimon front to lucius but i feel like rowan there would be better to cancel lucius ult
Work on getting: grez 9f and rowan +30. U can try and check #faq-resources for more info.
You've made some mistakes. I suggest reading the pinned beginner guides in #classic-questions.
Try:
Astar
Thoran
Rowan
Antandra
Arden/daimon
Read the pinned beginner guides in #classic-questions. Most of ur heroes are capped at lvl 100 and u should only level 5 heroes. The rest will be in ur resonating crystal.
what team should I go for?
Read the pinned beginner guides in #classic-questions. Ur not suppose to ascend heroes to L if u cant take them to L+. U can try a team of rowan,brutus,daimon,arden and oden.
came to ask for a squad to push lightbearer tower
ignore rosa for a bit, i dunno why i did that 
It's going to be hard to push since u dont have a reliable carry. Though u can try:
Rosa
Rowan
Mirael
Estrildq
Fawkes/raine/scarlet
why arden?
For his root ability but u can swap him out for any cc characters.
is it not important to go for the faction boosts?
i tried to go for grezhul, daimon, oden, mishka and silas before
could daimon, oden, silas, brutus and rowan work?
kinda huessed it 
estrildq solo is
Faction bonus doesnt have that much impact.
It doesbt work sadly
forgive me if i am in the wrong channel for this topic, but im gonna set a mini poll here: silas or shemira
context: i am about to ascend one of them to mythical tier

wat should i go for
Thanks! I’ll get on those 🙂
You should definitly check out the pinned guides /commands in #classic-questions
ok ty
is 41-20 4th fight possible without zolrath?
Check Maria Agnesi on afk.helper
why no mythic tho, just curious
pre 9f no mythic gear somehow alters fera's skill order that makes his fear go out faster
I see
any suggestion?
Prolly silvina to get 3x GB faction buff
It looks like your leveling 5 fodder AND Daimon. If so, you should reset one of the fodder (I'd recommend Hogan, cuz he's soft AF). Only level 5 heroes at a time, forever. Everyone else gets leveled through the crystal.
I know that I messed up a lot in terms of ascension/food since I didn‘t use guides in early game, but I‘m hardstuck for two days now and would love to know how to salvage my situation - stuck on campaign 14-31 mainly. Just can‘t progress at all. Foodwise I‘m pretty close in getting Rowan to Mythic.
ahhhh i read the guide wrong thanks for clarifying!
alright thanks : )
Stuck here I'm willing to level anyone
Check out afkhelper, I bet they have multiple cleara with similiar heroes
no they dont have it
Like wdym... They obv do have it. I remember clearing this chapter a few days ago on my twink and I did it wirh an elite daimon
Learn how to position/ use heroes properly or you have to ask for every oncoming stage
Any suggestions for this one?
Maybe restart on fresh account..
Hi, can anyone tell me a burst comp looks like nowadays for pvp (with zolrath mahboy)? Mentioning what the minimum investment should be. thanks !
This is what I have. 209 on Mishka, 3F on Zol(not sure about SI), 309e60 on athane preferred, not sure on Zaph’s investment and lyca probably doesn’t need much.
There’s also a lorsan variant if someone else has that
Lol why?
how am i doing? is there anyone who i should start lookin’ at? :^
Probably because of Antandra
Well, and all the ascended to L heroes @green ingot
I worked on who I was given though.... Starting will take forever
can anyone help?
Have you tried switching the heroes around to change the order. Swap Thoran and Daimon and try again. Swap back line around with each combination of the front line. Etc.
yeah i have
At your level, honestly, the main way to get past levels is to just keep on dumping resources into your heroes and leveling them up. It's all a power issue that early. You don't have enough heroes to play with nor are any of them built at all the way they need to be to be most effective. So, just keep powering up and you'll clear it in no time
ahh alright thanks
LineUp for 38-48 ? ^^"
Hi someone can help
Restart.
Fix your WL, read guides, and ascend the right hero’s to the right ascension level.
But best thing to do is restart. @inland idol
Stuck on 14-31 for two days now. I now know that my start wasn‘t good in terms of who I ascended etc, but I went in without a guide and want to stick with this account if possible. Any advise on how to get past this stage?
I‘m 1 mirael away from getting Rowan to mythic so that might help, but I‘d love to know if there is a team in there that allows me to do it anyway
Positioning is important. Put the graveborns in front of the lightbearers and the wilder in front of the enemy graveborn. I’m not saying it’ll work every time, but it’s worth a shot
Other times, all you need to do is wait a few days to get enough resources to level up…
i dont think u should base positioning on faction, swap rowan and daimon or something, rowans a support while daimon can tank damage
Any way i can beat 29-60?
Thanks, I think waiting is the thing to do 😛 Positioning wise I tried basically every combo by now
What should be my lineup
Can anyone help i die way too fast
Frontlline Thoran/Wukong, backline Silas/Lyca/Mirael
Also, read this next post: =earlygame
You ascend fodders to L+ and level them to 160 when you start in the early game.
(In levels 0-100, if you don't get a copy of Daimon early, you should level Wukong to level 100, then reset him and focus on Fodders or Daimon if you have 4 copies of him, otherwise level fodders and put Daimon on crystal. Read the pinned guide for more information and how to get Wukong.)
You do this to see what hero you get the most copies of to eliminate RNG.
This is not to make the mistake of making many heroes L without the copies for L+, essentially just wasting fodder.
Remember, 1 Ascended hero > 40 L heroes. L doesn't give anything worth compared to Ascending a hero fully.
When you're level capped at 160, you take the L+ fodder you build and feed it into an A-tier hero, so you can level to 180.
This is because you need an L+ fodder to take an L+ Ascended tier to M. You need 8/8 copies of a hero to ascend them to A (4 to L+ and 4 to A = 8).
Make sure it's a priority hero, and the one closest to 8/8 copies (Unless Daimon, Rowan & Raku, as long as you have 4/8 copies of those, you do them first as they get their power from their Signature item, which will help a lot in early/mid game).
(+30 Rowan > +30 Raku as your first priorities. Daimon only needs +20 and is a priority over Rowan and Raku.)
use Luc. Brutus/Lyca frontline, Luc/Fera/Safiya backline might work
@thin crest let's talk here
Show a picture of your box pls, so I know who all you have
I made too many mistakes no
Not great but salvageable. Do you have any interest in pvp long-term? If so, you're probably better off starting on a new server. If not, then you can keep going and you'll only have lost about a week of concrete progress while you recover
Does pvp give anything relevant
I can start over i guess lol on s1001 i made an acc with awk brutus there
oh hell yes, he's amazing and that's a really good start
I still prioritize rowan, raku, daimon stuff like that right? And ill avoid bringing heroes to L now
yep
Do ascend fodders to L+ using other fodders, like the message says
Alr
Is raine good? I pulled 3 copies of her already and I can get another right for free?
Very useful but not worth using that chest on her. Save it for a 4th copy of Daimon/Rowan or an 8th copy of another carry
No I like mean I can get another from peaks of time ?
Could I focus on her to M later on once I get the free raine? But I wont ascend anyone
Is elite Brutus really worth using over kalene? she‘s literally the last one alive
Also I tried putting Lyca front row and she just gets instantly killed, is that ok (I assume her haste buff gets applied instantly according to description, right)?
On epic it‘s only 4s, Kalene stays alive about 20-25
*on 141 it would be 7s, but I lack the dust for that.
I‘ll try that then, thanks for the advise. Sadly only have 2 daimon while I have 6 shemira and 7 kalene xD
Any suggestions?
Thanks
Oh, you don’t get hero copies directly from PoT. It’s rng with scrolls and stones
This a good start for the new server? Any lineup suggestions.ima use Daimon as carry, thoran, lyca, Oden,
I'm not sure who to use as my 5th
ferael, prob. Could use rowan as well.
Any idea how to do this without AAA or SI30 thoran?
Currently at 10-12 and barely keeping up, what squad should I be using at this level? Still using daimon carry and brutus tank, was wondering if that's the best lineup I have available
I assume the one bottom right is brutus? but aight thanks
yes this skin is free if u summon 100 or 150 E heroes i cant remember
is it normal to have everyone but daimon die 30 seconds into the fight?
is anastasa good?
Im at 6-22 what team should i use?
Power capped since there’s a 200+ level difference
Any suggestions?
auhhh stop ascending ur heroes to legendary 💀
only to elite+, and legendary+
any suggestion?
aight, i have a bit of a pickle here. basically, i have an awakened talene that i had summoned from the noble tavern, which is crazy since idk that would be possible. now after using solise as a trial, im starting to get second thoughts since idk awakened talene’s abilities that well, as i barely used her :/
also i have eleven time emblems
Any help to get through this stage? Can't use Daimon because I still need one more copy of him 😦
any ideas on how to do this? my daimon is dying instantly
move daimon to the bottom backline corner
Also, if you have even one copy of E Brutus, you can put him in front of Daimon. His invincibility for several seconds usually gives Daimon enough time to ramp up
need 3 teams for pvp, help please?
maybe try a mishka comp eith astar anf some cc and for second maybe an ainz gb team
maybe try ainz gb on second
and wilder team@on first
lucretia or ainz merc
try ainz merc
also yeah ur luc merc is pretty trash u can borrow minr
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mmm r1 maybe a bit hard to pull off because of skreg tasi and brutus
your welcome
came to ask for a lineup for this tower 
mishka lyca astar eironn pippa/tasi/lorsan
tysm
Anyone can help me?
Do Thoran Rowan Pippa Lyca Oden
- Thoran Grez Daimon Ferael Nemora/Numisu
- Rowan Brutus Shemira Rosa Lyca
- Throw random shit go
thank you, i been waiting forever lol🙏🏾
Thanks
I'd say put your strongest team 2nd, the so-not-strong-and-neither-is-weak 3rd and weakest at 1st comp.
Because people tends to put their strongest comp first and weakest last.

i did that
im hardstuck, help me pls
Pls help me im stick in dismal
Is there someone I can replace khazard for? Mehira doesn't matter, only team not winning since I don't have khazard m si30
Hello guys i'm wondering if my comp could be ehanced. Any Idea ?
Use saveas / oden instead of silvanna. That might help
Sometimes Raku/Ferael works
Wotus Lyca Daimon Swolise Arden. Or swap Lyca with Thoran if lacks survivability
A bit confused with the different line up proposed
Daimon
Lyca
Rowan
Normal brutus
Ferael/arden
just try out both, if one doesn't work, try the other one
why you got so many heroes levelled up? you only need 5
I'm confused bro, cause I'm new
you only need 5 heroes levelled up, then the rest you can put in the resonating crystal
that way you can save dust and hero xp and stuff like that
Yeah I know, but I'm stuck in chapter 10