classic-questions

[cloud pollen]

Fox needs more requirement which I'm trying to pull off on Kisaka but, not enough recast juice yet

That collection has one of the ERO spot taken by FERO

[river shuttle]

I don’t think i can get sub 10

[buoyant fern]

Ooo im sure ur fine without
Cr nc everything so

[cloud pollen]

I only see people with 5* Elthara get sub 10

[ruby silo]

become a whale

[cloud pollen]

Maybe your destined celepogean is not Knox but someone cuter

[errant sable]

i got 10 daemia copies waiting for me

[cloud pollen]

Yup

[errant sable]

once I switch that is

[errant sable]

50eur for 180 pulls 🙏

[cloud pollen]

I'm curious about whether Selene could be more value than Daemia, also a strong advocate that Aurelia > Daemia

[errant sable]

let me know in 20 days

[inner olive]

aurelia > daemia is not a debate and I don't think it's ever been one ngl

[drifting hemlock]

yeah but the only problem is aure requires too hefty investment

the guide was made so that by the time u built aure u'd alr have enough to full send her into 40960 range

[tepid totem]

why was kaden banned

[inner olive]

slurs

[tepid totem]

on cs?

[umbral wadi]

Kaden sent gifs with slurs in here

Like, numerous times

Unsurprisingly he got banned shortly after

[inner olive]

oh such a shit reason to get banned lmao

[umbral wadi]

How come

It’s an official server what did you expect

[inner olive]

fair

[hybrid breach]

??

[winged crest]

https://tenor.com/view/altar-head-bang-head-banging-brain-holding-brain-gif-7861590386266423317

[muted anchor]

F word

[hybrid breach]

[muted anchor]

Double g

[hybrid breach]

ik what kaden said i was here, im surprised at how dumb others can be tho

[muted anchor]

[errant sable]

god forbid you call me what I am

[hybrid breach]

[tepid totem]

what shit reason

[muted anchor]

Fat || fully kidding||

F||avorite||
A||nime||
T||onight||

[inner talon]

Should i trade daemia for aurelia in the event? Everyone saying aurelia is better

[umbral wadi]

Golly thanks for the clarification

[muted anchor]

[umbral wadi]

Wouldn’t have known the word otherwise

[hybrid breach]

buy wukong swap him and learn how to not pull as you get cards

[solar fractal]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-car-cat-scuba-gif-12924749550248300725

[summer vector]

wazaaaa

[solar fractal]

SCUPA

[drifting hemlock]

yo.

[solar fractal]

Still trying

[summer vector]

good times

[summer vector]

[tough crest]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-eating-kibble-greedy-glutton-gif-420543703723860209

[solar fractal]

https://tenor.com/view/kittycore-kitty-cat-cat-meme-silly-cat-gif-2308433003618859082

[inner talon]

What do u mean by learn how not to pull? Hhaha maybe it is an easy concept im new to the game

But how much should I invest in daemia then?

[solar fractal]

=sgprio

[gilded sapphire]

Stargazing Priorities:

#994913771598389318 message

[solar fractal]

Don’t pull unless you have at least 600-700 cards

[signal vortex]

@umbral wadi were you here for the balls gif lore

[umbral wadi]

6-7?

[umbral wadi]

??

[solar fractal]

Sir your almost 40

[summer vector]

7-6

[charred jetty]

What the heck is going on

[inner talon]

but what is the recommended daemia investment 30930?

[hybrid breach]

hold 640sg before pulling celepogs

[charred jetty]

Can we chill on the cats gif and the balls gifs

[solar fractal]

Yes

[charred jetty]

[solar fractal]

We’re still answering questions tho

https://tenor.com/view/cat-car-cat-scuba-gif-12924749550248300725

[inner talon]

OKK TY

[solar fractal]

That’s literally what I said why no Ty to me

[charred jetty]

Ok

[inner talon]

tytyty mb hahahaha

[hybrid breach]

can we ban casual

[charred jetty]

And the entire channel is flooded with cat ball gifs and images

[summer vector]

[signal vortex]

casual is ruining balls for the rest of us

[charred jetty]

Both are true

I’m talking about the second one

[solar fractal]

Krilling you

[hybrid breach]

sounds like grounds to ban casual tbh

[autumn gull]

i support this message

[umbral wadi]

Kitty

[charred jetty]

[solar fractal]

Banning wou

[summer vector]

heya

[signal vortex]

bud's sending crustacean threats, gotta be against the rules of this discord surely ....

[umbral wadi]

I am immune

[minor musk]

b-b-but gambling :c

[winged crest]

https://tenor.com/view/greedy-pot-yu-gi-oh-yugioh-gif-1156091889875709808

[solar fractal]

Are you saying whites can’t be ban?

[summer vector]

same same

[solar fractal]

White privilege is real

[winged crest]

top10 racer moment

[signal vortex]

Gotta whip out the old info cat memes

[river shuttle]

[errant sable]

bro was trying to hit 5 chapters ago

[charred jetty]

I remember those

[summer vector]

[cobalt abyss]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/677979578425147412/1474037037634945064/image0.gif

[solar fractal]

You used to post cats??

[white brook]

I just see him in Niche Heroes list, what can he do guys?

[summer vector]

he still is

[umbral wadi]

I don’t have any roles to be taken from me, and if I get banned I just go back to my usual lifestyle

[summer vector]

btw got M fawkes on da f2p and 1 more knox on spender for A*

[solar fractal]

He sees nc use from time to time

[errant sable]

im stabbing you with a gun

[summer vector]

[errant sable]

:((((

[solar fractal]

Ok Emily is hear

[charred jetty]

Ouch

[errant sable]

I better get M fawkes next week

[signal vortex]

Here's one, wonder if it's still relevant

[errant sable]

wooaaa, hater?

[white brook]

What is his role and can he be used in any current bosses

[solar fractal]

Pinning this rn

[river shuttle]

sounds like a bad thing

[charred jetty]

???

[hybrid breach]

[charred jetty]

Factually false

Also how is siren

[errant sable]

its better than getting shot with a knife

[solar fractal]

Jd plz can I pin this

PLEASE

[hybrid breach]

can we ban jd for spreading misinformation

[river shuttle]

i dont think so

[tepid totem]

seems cr and ts only

[solar fractal]

I never ask for stuff

[river shuttle]

cant you pin?

[errant sable]

guns arent sharp

[tepid totem]

but needs high invest

[solar fractal]

Jd plz let me use my cs role

[solar fractal]

Let me pin this cat

It’s actually helpful

[signal vortex]

no

[river shuttle]

so its faster death with a knife = better

[summer vector]

ill pin for you I got it

[hybrid breach]

im still upset the gabi hild chin shitpost got removed

[charred jetty]

I mean I disagree, but I’m still going to follow consensus

[solar fractal]

You are not pleasant am ignoring from now on

[signal vortex]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-kitten-cat-crying-kitten-crying-05starrynight-gif-11621427890657055029

[charred jetty]

Maybe one day we will have 5 good enough dragons

[hybrid breach]

[solar fractal]

You do goat

[inner olive]

racism

[solar fractal]

[signal vortex]

Good job bud

[charred jetty]

I mean even now we have like 4 great for early game

[river shuttle]

favouritism

[charred jetty]

Ok I need to add the solisesip emote

[summer vector]

same thing

[hybrid breach]

again theres more issues beyond just getting the copies when it comes to pulling dragolites early

[umbral wadi]

All our hard work paid off because now we post cats and we get away with it

[hybrid breach]

but im tired of this argument

[tepid totem]

unban kaden jd

[charred jetty]

Yeah just revisit when we actually get more 209e30 viable dragons

[solar fractal]

Actually giga brain

[tepid totem]

which will be never

[charred jetty]

Rn we have uh, Velu, tav

Melon?

[hybrid breach]

melon 20960

[charred jetty]

Idk if melon is viable at 209e30

[hybrid breach]

and questionable worth

[charred jetty]

Yeah needs e60

[solar fractal]

He needs e60 lol

[hybrid breach]

sion 40960 and begris 40930 kinda rip

[charred jetty]

Wow dragons are really that expensive huh

[solar fractal]

Tav also needs e60 or keep at E

[river shuttle]

tav e or 20960 (e60 importnant)

[charred jetty]

Yeah E

[solar fractal]

[charred jetty]

I mean honestly most heroes are that expensive

[hybrid breach]

yeah but dragon reds/whites are harder to get

[errant sable]

he would survive being stabbes by a gun tho

[tepid totem]

i like how u ignored me jd

[minor musk]

what about 40960?

[charred jetty]

Siren seems okay at 209e30

[river shuttle]

not needed

[errant sable]

do you know how jacked koyo is?

[charred jetty]

But eh no testing

[minor musk]

[errant sable]

bro is 99.9% pure protein

[hybrid breach]

from what ive seen she doesnt even have any uses anywhere yet tho?

[charred jetty]

Kaden appealed and rest of mod team said no

[solar fractal]

She’s no good at camp

[charred jetty]

I’m personally okay with it, but have to follow protocol

[river shuttle]

nope

[solar fractal]

I tested

[tepid totem]

@charred jettywow

[umbral wadi]

@summer vector you need to send proof now

[charred jetty]

Yeah I tested M20 too

[hybrid breach]

if kaden is ever back im immediately leaving

[tepid totem]

mod team is mean

[errant sable]

im saying random bullshit ngl

[charred jetty]

Not good at camp, might be okay in TS? Idk

[minor musk]

Kaden steal your lunch monies?

https://tenor.com/view/shiideraii-gif-3312903941915865885

[charred jetty]

Wait what’s wrong with Kaden, he’s relatively a lot more chill than navalin

[umbral wadi]

Isn’t Kaden the one dude that kept sending feet gifs before his entire ban thing went down

[grave hollow]

Aint kaden better be banned forever?

[inner olive]

what's wrong with him ? the reason he got banned lol

[charred jetty]

Oh yeah

I warned him a bunch of times

[grave hollow]

Like whoever ask for his unban should be ban also

[charred jetty]

And final warning was because of the post

[grave hollow]

And i wish both kaden and his supporters a good life, kys

[hybrid breach]

overall an unhelpful nuisance and never adding anything meaningful to this chat

[charred jetty]

I mean outside of dumb decisions he’s not generally unpleasant to be around

[grave hollow]

[hybrid breach]

he is generally unpleasant to be around

[tepid totem]

cs sucks

[charred jetty]

In my opinion at least, experiences differ

[charred jetty]

[tepid totem]

they banned all the good ppl

[umbral wadi]

Except the part where he flashbangs you with feet gifs every other minute

[charred jetty]

Yeah that’s the dumb decisions part

[tepid totem]

luckily cero quit

i outlasted the scum

[minor musk]

[hybrid breach]

i love all the hate that hat constantly spreads in this sever

[cobalt abyss]

kaden was quite something

[grave hollow]

How about sending the hat to the kaden

[solar fractal]

I miss Kaden

[umbral wadi]

Hat and Kaden would be best buddies

[summer vector]

not jacked enough

[umbral wadi]

Kaden was a regular in uhh companions chat too

[signal vortex]

wow

[errant sable]

when we working out together?

[charred jetty]

Budddsy back when

[hybrid breach]

budddsy already in r29 bud

[summer vector]

once I'm jacked enough

[signal vortex]

I forgot about companions

[charred jetty]

What’s next hero faction btw

It’s woke time right

[tepid totem]

i want dim lol

[signal vortex]

should be but who knows anymore

[inner olive]

woke celehypo surely

[summer vector]

if a woke releases what kind of events have we gotten in the past?

[inner olive]

this time it has to be

[charred jetty]

We currently have one though

But I think another big collab is coming after Dracula

[inner olive]

frieren?

[hybrid breach]

frieren for journey

[summer vector]

frieren would be sick

[tepid totem]

that was for journey

[charred jetty]

Uh… I don’t think frieren

[charred jetty]

Oh yeah I thought you’d be mad at that

[inner olive]

i dont even know who she is or what she does but yes

[charred jetty]

[summer vector]

ngl id want sum like mha or fire force, shinra would be peak

[buoyant fern]

Oldest child dont get the goodies
No frieren

[signal vortex]

one piece for the start of season 2

[tepid totem]

they dont do cross afk game collabs

[hybrid breach]

this game is so shit i dont think even a frieren collab would bring me back anymore

[charred jetty]

I remember you saying frieren was the collab you wanted the most

[tepid totem]

anime sucks btw

[summer vector]

deku or shinra

[inner olive]

factually correct take

[charred jetty]

Come back for IJ next time

[signal vortex]

would you come back for a scooby snack?

[winged crest]

oh god please no deku 😭

[summer vector]

[hybrid breach]

bud thinks id come back for camp

[hybrid breach]

hmmm

[charred jetty]

If they add copy clear to IJ id be pretty mad

[signal vortex]

IJ was fun tbf

[winged crest]

fire force would go hard tho

[hybrid breach]

2 scooby snacks?

[minor musk]

Shinra ofc.

[summer vector]

fs, ooh wait what if instead of fire force colab, jjk colab

[signal vortex]

mmmm
fine, only for you tho...

[charred jetty]

Nah it’s actually fun

[minor musk]

lame

[summer vector]

make it 3

[charred jetty]

Not only for me

Especially for me maybe, but not only for me

[summer vector]

nah I want choso and todo fr

[hybrid breach]

i didnt like early camp, i didnt like mid camp and i didnt like late camp. im not sure how much id enjoy IJ

[summer vector]

todo would be peak, swap places with enemy line by clapping

[charred jetty]

Well camp was already cooked when you started

Copy comp ruined camp imo

[ruby silo]

i had Selene on my old acc

[hybrid breach]

the only thing bringing me back now is piloting massive accs nc

[charred jetty]

Maybe RGMs too, but mainly copy comp

[inner olive]

built second ?

[minor musk]

id be ok with Frieza of jjk.

[ruby silo]

built first ahshashsa

[inner olive]

why you restart then lol

[summer vector]

[inner olive]

was the account that cooked ? show box and server

[ruby silo]

was playing on a 2 y old server

[signal vortex]

If you and @swift fog teamed up you could probably get your hands on a t1 level account

[charred jetty]

Also if you hated camp so much why did you keep playing the game

[ruby silo]

far behind

[inner olive]

ah, i understand

[charred jetty]

You obovisly didn’t sign up for NC

[hybrid breach]

i liked ts a lot when i started

[ruby silo]

she really cool and strong

[charred jetty]

Oh TS

[swift fog]

ok I have an account for u

[ruby silo]

best one to sacrifice i ever had

[charred jetty]

It’s nice that TS region are small enough that people can always have fun in TS

[inner olive]

selene best daemia sucks

[hybrid breach]

do you not like running skelli nc?

[swift fog]

not that one :kekw:

[signal vortex]

bigger

[ruby silo]

https://tenor.com/view/predator-arnold-schwarzenegger-hand-shake-arms-gif-3468629

[hybrid breach]

isnt skelli bigger than both of daffs accs and the old whyme acc isnt that big either

[swift fog]

he is trolling u

[charred jetty]

Selene is probably really strong and fun to use with saitama

[hybrid breach]

baby daff nc sounds miserable too

[charred jetty]

When are saitama and SJW coming to garrison smh

[inner olive]

also jd am testing my randle selene team in ts with gorok instead of selene, i put selene in temu en passant, will update u with results

[hybrid breach]

2028

[signal vortex]

I think baby daff's NC is smaller than omega acc tbh so yea

[tepid totem]

in a year prob

[hybrid breach]

why even bother with selene when she doesnt hold up as well past early game

[charred jetty]

Isn’t your old acc pretty big too

[swift fog]

whimmy's is not too bad, almost 1.1k rc

[umbral wadi]

=sgprio

[gilded sapphire]

Stargazing Priorities:

#994913771598389318 message

[hybrid breach]

the budddsy acc?

[hybrid breach]

box wise

[charred jetty]

I feel like people only use her as support

[hybrid breach]

rc doesnt matter in nc

[charred jetty]

When she has more potential

[swift fog]

it has ody

[charred jetty]

Ye

[umbral wadi]

Wow Selene so good not even in the sgprio

[inner olive]

uh that's the whole point of building her second ?

[hybrid breach]

woke pets

[swift fog]

1 more copy for pony 27

[inner olive]

because she's really good in early game

[hybrid breach]

building her at all that early is questionable

[charred jetty]

Yeah that’s the thing though

[hybrid breach]

basically throwing away an early celepog

[charred jetty]

You can’t build a hero only for early game

[inner olive]

she's still used later in cr and nc

[cobalt abyss]

we need a julius lvl acc for dubbsy

[hybrid breach]

nc

[inner olive]

just less op than in early ts

[charred jetty]

Fawkes Knox and L elthara are great because they transition naturally to late game

[hybrid breach]

outside of the odd cele buff week no

[charred jetty]

Lys too

[hybrid breach]

and cr is meaningless outside of the first 2 years of play

[errant sable]

has anyone here ever hit hard pity on dragon of 65 without it being in 10 pulls ?

[inner olive]

@deep fractal pls show him what selene in nc does

[umbral wadi]

how are selene builders holding up against others

[charred jetty]

The early game optimization problem has the constraints of the hero needing to be decent later on

[deep fractal]

its fake excusez-moi

[inner olive]

🥀

[charred jetty]

I think they are doing better tbh

[hybrid breach]

oh yes show me non bis clears

[deep fractal]

@inner olive

[umbral wadi]

amazing

[deep fractal]

BROO shes negative delta -0.5 sec

[charred jetty]

Very comprehensive review I know

[inner olive]

💀

[charred jetty]

Jokes aside Selene does seem to be pretty decent in TS

[inner olive]

i was lied to

[umbral wadi]

time to change your name

[charred jetty]

Which may or may not be a continuous thing

[umbral wadi]

wait no I'll be your counterpart for this

[charred jetty]

Selene blazer

[inner olive]

daemia glazer

[charred jetty]

Selene eraser

[inner olive]

fuck you

[umbral wadi]

I was thinking a more hateful approach

I am not a very loving person I would rather hate the opponent than praise their opposition

[charred jetty]

But TS

[hybrid breach]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-cat-meme-kitten-evil-evil-throne-gif-9379345095978629446

[charred jetty]

Do people only use Selene in ashem SJW

[inner olive]

in late game ts yeah

[charred jetty]

Well SJW is with sai now I think

[hybrid breach]

wuci, the very beginner friendly team

[charred jetty]

Nah there’s a good solution

[errant sable]

@charred jetty do we have any real info about how soft pity ramps up for or even when it starts and when hard pity is beyond just random guesses and echochambers or nah? for different places like highborns, stargazing, temple of time

[inner olive]

oh and yes wuci

[charred jetty]

You can sub wuci with oddy

[hybrid breach]

[charred jetty]

That way you save a woke

[inner olive]

build oddy first hb

[charred jetty]

It’s a f2p friendly pathway

[hybrid breach]

only info we have is soft pity is around 52-55 for sg/te, dragons im not sure we have much info there

[solar fractal]

Dragons pity is every 30 pulls

[charred jetty]

I did some data mining early on

[solar fractal]

That’s confirmed

[drowsy terrace]

We assume its around 65/copy

Ive gotten worse for HB pulls

[hybrid breach]

thats hard pity

[drowsy terrace]

Yea but you hit hard pity often sometimes

[charred jetty]

The only two things we can say is 1. Average is around 40, pity at 65

[drowsy terrace]

Its fucking tiring

[inner olive]

dragolites, furn, scrolls, faction scrolls are all 30 pulls

[charred jetty]

And 2. The rates are extremely non-binomial

[inner olive]

rest of the stuff in this game is 65 maybe 1 or 2 exceptions

[charred jetty]

It’s a piecewise function, can’t be modeled by Gaussian or poisson

So all we can do is aggregate a bunch and estimate average, as well as relative sds off median

[tepid totem]

tomorrow we get dracula

[inner olive]

nope, in a month

[charred jetty]

Like the rate of pity and rate of double/back to back is disproportionately high

Like way up there

[solar fractal]

This was written by AI

[charred jetty]

I’ve become ChatGPT

[errant sable]

wha do you mean by non binomial

[solar fractal]

[solar fractal]

It’s AI

[hybrid breach]

https://tenor.com/view/pay-attention-to-me-one-orange-brain-cell-kitten-cat-meow-gif-16762328332322827176

[solar fractal]

No one knows what it means

[charred jetty]

It’s not a binomialcdf

[tepid totem]

@inner oliveway to spoil it

[inner olive]

cooked

[charred jetty]

Like its not coin flip you have 98% chance to not get a copy, 2% to get one

And you flip it like 750 times

It doesn’t work like that

That would be binomial

[summer vector]

got le dog from epic shards peak

[errant sable]

well cuz we have soft pity right?

[inner olive]

he good for- actually he's good for nothing nevermind

[summer vector]

he useless xD

[charred jetty]

Soft pity, and also the rate of pulling a hero at X pulls in isn’t fixed

There’s another function that adds rates based on X pulls in the code

Idk what the function is though

[charred jetty]

Free 25% def as atk buff

Good news is it stays even after he dies

[hybrid breach]

wasnt harvy bis in last weeks cr r3

[charred jetty]

Bad news is it does nothing

[ivory turret]

=tree

[gilded sapphire]

Priorities for Elder Tree

https://discord.com/channels/441477431501783060/994914542440173688

[inner olive]

oh wow 20x worse Misha buff

[errant sable]

like actually disproportionately high to the point of we think theyre playing with the outcomes to create more hype moments

or just human bias were we get a pity as roll 2 of 10 and another copy as roll 9 of 10 in a single 10 pull and we go wow that shouldnt be normal when in reality thats like 20% chance

[charred jetty]

We practically know that it is the case

[summer vector]

I even got 9f misha so he like actually super useless xD

[charred jetty]

The p value of it being random is ridiculously low

[inner olive]

her 9f just lowers the cooldown for her ult

[summer vector]

[inner olive]

from 12 (iirc) to 8 seconds

[charred jetty]

And also the code says it

[summer vector]

in those 4s I can marry, big difference

[charred jetty]

I think the rates are weighted at both ends

Not just increasing as you get closer to 65

Otherwise no way we have sooooo many people getting doubles and triples

[solar fractal]

I am willing to bet my left nut that rng is not real in this game like I genuinely believe it’s not actually random cuz the times I’ve gotten same thing either in furn dragon or normal wish pulls is so wild for it to be random

[errant sable]

most gacha games I know its just like

2% chance to pull for 50 pulls. then +4.9% chance per pull after (so 51 is 6.9%, 52 is 11.8% etc.) till eventually hard pity at 70 so you pretty much never make it to hard pity cuz youd have to fail like an 80%, 85%, 90%, 95%

[solar fractal]

Like tell me getting 4 Jerome furns one after another is rng

When wishlist has 10 slots

[charred jetty]

Hmm there’s actually a 16% chance you pull a double

[solar fractal]

Coding is fucked

[summer vector]

same one as well not even different

[errant sable]

I mean doubles are incredibly common if the first 1 of the 2 is just a soft pity hit

[green solstice]

=todolist

[gilded sapphire]

Beginner TODO-List

1. Read and follow =wishlist
2. Level roster following the bottom left of =guide
3. Push as far as you can using some basic setup of =campaign
4. As soon as GG unlocks (ch6), go to Northzone, set 3 blue totems and run 7 flight (blue wings collection) runs. Read Nino's guide in =colls for more info on how to do this.
5. Befriend someone who has a 409e60 awthalia (look for red/shiny stars, a crown and the 2 red diamonds under the faction icon) and merc it, get a mentor if possible
6. Use said merc to finish all of PoT content, using afkguide.net for guides
7. Finish all candy crush and vampire survivors content (either manually or just spam request help)
8. Summon everything with scrolls and diamonds on 10x pull, use faction scrolls on GB (spend the 300 diamonds if it's not on GB)
9. Use Ivan + Randle or whatever carry you have and push as far as they can, put the highest ATK flight they have on Ivan and Randle. If you don't have ivan or randle by ch12 and have completed all of the above, use your hero choice chest from ch12 on ivan > randle. If you have both, save the chest.
10. AFK
11. Read the rest of =guide as reading material whilst you wait
12. After ch16, go to highborn pulling area and pull until you get exactly 1 copy of Elthara . She is an awesome hypercarry at 1 copy in early campaign and TS.
13. Repeat steps 8-10 until you hit ch31

Terminology:
GG = Ghoulish Gallery
PoT = Peaks of Time
GB = Graveborn

[charred jetty]

Maybe I’m just overthinking it

[charred jetty]

But it resets though

[solar fractal]

Like when they say a % I doubt it’s actually real

[errant sable]

Im inclined to believe the devs dont code stuff that complicated tbh

[green solstice]

What happens at Ch 31?

[summer vector]

2 teams

[solar fractal]

No one knows to this day

[inner olive]

you get banned permanently from the game

[drifting hemlock]

death of fun

[charred jetty]

Ok I should put 9

[errant sable]

yeah but you do a 10 pull

number 1 or 2 is where you hit the pity

then theres 8-9 more pulls of 2.5% chance. youre gonna see doubles like 1/6 times then

and obviously people sharw their doubles and not their singles

[charred jetty]

15.3% chance of a double

[green solstice]

So thats when things get difficult?

[inner olive]

yeah basically

[solar fractal]

Now 4 times

[summer vector]

depends on what yu got built

[errant sable]

if you hit pity early in your 10 pull its pretty normal to hit a double imo

[solar fractal]

I have 6 furns of Jerome already

[green solstice]

I dont have much. My luck is bad so

[charred jetty]

So given people pull like 15 copies of a dragon

[inner olive]

is pity 27 just like scrolls ?

[charred jetty]

They are actually expected to get 2 doubles

[inner olive]

cuz then you can try to minmax

[drifting hemlock]

@errant sable am i doing anything wrong yet

[charred jetty]

But binomial also expects infinite trials

[inner olive]

do 20 pulls then 6 single then another 10 pull

[errant sable]

if all their copies go to pity then yes. if they get some copies at 30 in then no

[summer vector]

poof

[charred jetty]

Like you can pull 500 and not get 1

So the base rate has to be under 2%

To have the average be 2%

[errant sable]

well I was thinking of just writing a simulation and running it 10 million times to get a nice graph

[charred jetty]

I mean we assume the pulls are independent events right

[charred jetty]

I’ve already done that

[summer vector]

gib da graph

[charred jetty]

https://g.co/gemini/share/a13115113367

[errant sable]

part of me feels like its illegal to advertise 2.0% chance and have it be 1.5% with adjusted for pity being 2% when not clearly communicating that under european law

[cobalt abyss]

R2 and apparently it made that horrible round very consistent

[summer vector]

goated thanks

[charred jetty]

I just vibecoded some stuff when Gemini first released the canvas share feature

[tepid totem]

wow

[summer vector]

mmh so 47 pulls seems to be the highest density here

stay below 47 pulls and im gucci

[charred jetty]

Like base rate of HB should be like 0.95% for the average to be 1 in 50

[errant sable]

tbh I assume pity kicks in much sooner and grows much slower than 20% per pull past 65

also have we ever gone past 65 or are we only saying 70 is pity because people are doing 7x 10 pulls

[charred jetty]

Assuming there’s no other shenanigans going on

But there’s definitely other shenanigans going on lol

[summer vector]

mhm indeed

[summer vector]

so far I got both my elth copies between 60-65

[charred jetty]

Unsure tbh

I think we have recorded cases of past 65…

[summer vector]

and then 2nd elth in first 10 pull so that one doesn't count

[charred jetty]

But nothing past 70

[errant sable]

I got mine at 62

someone else hit like 12 copies in a row between 50-55 each if u scroll back this chat far enough

which kinda implies at least soft pity kickin around 50 cuz else the odds of that is smaller than atoms in thr universe probably (<- lie, but still very unlikely)

[summer vector]

mmh yeah rng ig

[charred jetty]

But regardless of how they truncated the right half of the distribution

We know that it’s truncated

[summer vector]

I hit my first 10 knox every 25 sg

[charred jetty]

And it’s not just instantly killed

[summer vector]

so just luck atp , but there is somethin in the code for sure

[charred jetty]

Otherwise 30% of the pulls should be exactly 65

[charred jetty]

Yeah very likely

Being that many sds off average should be much rarer than it actually is lol

[summer vector]

gotta keep you hooked, wouldn't suprise me if u get good pulls and the super bad ones after so it increases the likelyhood of you spending

[errant sable]

I mean if we assume 2.5% chance with every pull past 50 increasing the odds by 6.5% till 100% odds at 65

then you wont make it past 60 most of the time

maybe its an increase of 2.5% with hard pity at 65 and that makes hitting past 60 more likely but still makes 65 exact quite unlikely

[charred jetty]

Yeah so to counter that I always try to buy something then pull

[summer vector]

hahahahhahah

[charred jetty]

[errant sable]

this would be like. class action lawsuit material

[charred jetty]

Maybe it’s something like thag

[errant sable]

that is genuinely straight up illegal

[summer vector]

true, but nobody would now

[charred jetty]

But I think it’s also something is also up with the doubles and triples

[errant sable]

not saying companies havent been caught doing exactly that but like. it is illegal soooo id assume they dont risk it

[charred jetty]

What if it averages to 50 though

[errant sable]

Id wanna see the data tbh but I assume ppl underreport singles and also as humans we underestimate how common doubles are

[charred jetty]

Like they can statistically and mathematically prove that

[inner olive]

i'm convinced that this is a thing

[errant sable]

idk tbh

idk if that needs a disclaimer but EU says you have to say the odds so when they say 2.0% idk if thats legal to say while meaning 1.5% + pity

[charred jetty]

With the pity adjusted rates

There’s a 8% chance of getting one

So you should only get on average 1 double per pull session

[charred jetty]

Hmm I’m not sure either

But it’s definitely not 2% lol

[errant sable]

literally every gacha community has this discussion

also i once wrote a plugin for minecraft to let you coinflip

very quickly people their strategy became to lose 3 coinflips while betting 100 coins before doing 1 coinflip while betting 1million coins

they were convinced of this. I promise you it was 50/50, I wrote the code myself

I do not trust humans

humans are incredibly biased and skeptical of randomness

[summer vector]

true true

[charred jetty]

Could try to dig into the code yourself

[errant sable]

the thing with doubles is that theyre honestly mathmatically pretty damn common so idk if the data is different from what we expect or if humans just underestimate

[charred jetty]

Might find some stuff

[errant sable]

I mean, their pulls would be all backend :(

[charred jetty]

Oh true

Bruh

[errant sable]

I assume none of the server logic is shipped with the game lol. unless theyre stoopid

[charred jetty]

Their client does have a ton of stuff though

[errant sable]

I assume theyre 2 seperate projects and its not just a funny folder they forgor to exclude

[charred jetty]

It’s an absolute gold mine lol

Here I have to make a disclaimer that it’s against ToS to share datamined marketing material and assets

[errant sable]

Ive seen it with idle heroes. stuff goes insanely deep

but anything like pulls is server sided cuz else itd be too easy to cheat, it needs server sided verification for that stuff rather than "trust me bro they pulled 10 elthara" from the game client

[charred jetty]

Yeah

[errant sable]

so like

nothing of value would be in there

unless you wanna be like me and rewrite the battle logic of idle heroes in rust to find optimal teams

maybe u can go do that to afk arena. have fun. hope you own a supercomputer and live a trillion trillion trillion years

[summer vector]

u played ih too?

[charred jetty]

Or GPU it

[errant sable]

it was fun to reverse engineer some logic like skills but actually having it find anything of use like solving campaign stages is not possible with the computing power on this planet :(

[charred jetty]

[errant sable]

with the rng, the trillions of combinations of units, gear, artifacts, pets etc.

good luck

[charred jetty]

Do you know of other planets that has more compute

[errant sable]

for a bit

[summer vector]

[charred jetty]

Hmm but it wouldn’t be a brute force search

[eternal scarab]

What to buy from here

[errant sable]

idk I think sam altman is probably hiding some

[charred jetty]

You can execute some decision tree pruning algorithm like what stockfish does

[merry gorge]

emily can u help me 🥺

w shadow invasions req @errant sable

[charred jetty]

And you won’t be able to compute the absolute optimal

But should be good enough to give you a huge advantage lol

But then there’s also rng

Which is always fun

[errant sable]

even just reducing it to T4 gear with a variation in boots, and removing all the genuinely useless heroes

its just too much

also idle heroes for example was coded like absolute jank so it takes a while to implement a single unit lmao

and I dont remember the game much but I dont think units in idle heroes moved unlike afk arena which makes stuff way harder and less turn based (idle heroes just had a speed stat to determine order)

[charred jetty]

People have built simulators for AE in the past

[summer vector]

yeah speed only

[errant sable]

I genuinely dont think the compute exists without sacrificing so much that it wouldnt be better at finding teams than humans

it also gets harder with every new release adding a factor thousand more possibilities

[charred jetty]

Would be nice if we just had a sandbox mode

[charred jetty]

Well you wouldn’t be trying everything though right

[errant sable]

see that would be possible to make

I aint doing it tho lmao, gl hf

[charred jetty]

We have a lot of stuff hidden about the battle itself though

Like server sided stuff

[errant sable]

if you cut it down enough then you might as well just make a simulation but try stuff yourself rather than brute force

[charred jetty]

But also the game is too easy to be worth manipulating haste for a campaign stage

[errant sable]

well with idle heroes we just had to do pvp battles with single units to find out how everything worked. like what buffs were multiplicative and what was additive together with what and how defense worked

we eventually got the formula accurate enough to be within 1hp off (cuz the order of rounding took a long time to get close to perfect and even then it never became perfect)

[charred jetty]

I mean if you can build a decent simulator I’m sure top guilds would be hella interested in using it to boost RGM results lol

[errant sable]

idle heroes rounded between multiplications which made the order of operations matter which was ughhh

[charred jetty]

Especially darn TS

[merry gorge]

yo can u help me

[charred jetty]

Oh wow that’s insane

You should talk with Bob49 and Ensign, they’re doing a lot of similar work

Ensign built a simulator for GG runs

[errant sable]

id rather touch grass these days

also afk arena just seems like much more work than idle heroes was, and even that I didnt finish I only did a few heroes before getting bored. I mostly did that project just to mess around with rust (which did not help development speed. fuck rust)

[charred jetty]

Just Claude code it

[errant sable]

thats pretty cool

[errant sable]

surely- lmao

fuck now I feel old

[charred jetty]

Prompt: keep trying until it good

[errant sable]

an AI would be pretty good at deobfuscating game files ngl

(of course this is all against tos and I dont condone this. Im simply talking about my past experience. I have no interest in doing this lol)

[charred jetty]

If only the game was more transparent

But that might make certain aspects ridiculously competitive

Which would be less than ideal lol

[errant sable]

idle heroes had most their stuff just in yaml files but with like 2-3 letter codes so figuring out that hp means health was easy but there was some random af bs in there and many terms in the code that didnt exist in the actual game or were named differently and the translation files were a mess to sift through

AI would bang that out in 5 minutes

[errant sable]

itd kill the game at high level if you had a perfect solution

[charred jetty]

Yeah afk arena also calls their heroes different code names

Like Mehira is called succubus for instance

[charred jetty]

Yeah

[errant sable]

transparency would be nice
but like perfect solution finding software would kill it

[charred jetty]

Whilst also making it impossible for people not in those guild families to compete

[errant sable]

again tho I dont think its physically possible to write software to find perfect solutions

and its not a reason to keep skill descriptions this goddamn vague

[charred jetty]

But even just a simulator to automate testing and make it free

That would be insane lol

[errant sable]

a sandbox would be nice but itd kill whale profit

[charred jetty]

Hmm well people still need to rng

[errant sable]

why invest in a 503680 if you can just try it out and test and realize its shit

[charred jetty]

Oh

[errant sable]

i understand why they wouldnt want to give a full on sandbox

[umbral wadi]

on the other hand, they can test and possibly find amazing 5036e100 units they would otherwise skip

[errant sable]

but for the love of god

WTF DOES TALIMAR E30 EVEN DO..THIS DESCRIPTION MAKES NO SENSE. WHEN DOES THIS TRIGGER???

[charred jetty]

I was thinking more just give as a 309e60 on campaign so we can make early game guides

Maybe not TS because too competitive

[charred jetty]

Julius not skipping anything

[umbral wadi]

ok but they're not missing out on julius profits if they release a sandbox either

[drifting hemlock]

when she is fih

[errant sable]

good guides? in a gacha game? keep dreaming

[charred jetty]

Very good point

[charred jetty]

Hey we’re trying our best

[umbral wadi]

we?

[charred jetty]

But it’s all just volunteer work mostly

[errant sable]

yall cant even agree on daemia

[umbral wadi]

and the volunteers are all idiots right @solar fractal ?

[charred jetty]

And given how ridiculously tedious early game is, that’s just not much testing

[errant sable]

so question, why shaltear before rem?

[barren fjord]

im making a new f2p acc rn, do yall want me to test anything lol

[umbral wadi]

shalltear glaze of doom and destruction

jarvis, brick their account

[solar fractal]

I think you ment to ping @inner olive

[barren fjord]

i could care less about bricking an account for trsting

[summer vector]

selene glaze

[umbral wadi]

you are the idiot in question sir

[charred jetty]

Uh I tested it out in like ch38 once and felt that she was very good, so recommended her be tested

Idk why we suddenly jumped to her first

[errant sable]

dope lol

[river shuttle]

youre defending it with ur life tho

[charred jetty]

Well in theory Shalltear is more useful than rem in TS

[river shuttle]

can you awnser mee

[cinder flax]

That's possibly why

[flint granite]

when is new woke pet released ?

[umbral wadi]

now

[charred jetty]

Next patch

[errant sable]

does campaign even matter there tho, isnt everything between like 36 and 46 just whatever

so is rem worse in RGM or wha

[river shuttle]

not today

[drifting hemlock]

Misty Valley exists

[charred jetty]

Yeah she is just worse

[flint granite]

a week from now ig

[summer vector]

peak

[solar fractal]

Am not in guide mode rn

https://tenor.com/view/cat-car-cat-scuba-gif-12924749550248300725

[charred jetty]

But early game is obviously more about pathing than absolute optimal late game

[deep fractal]

lowkeye ignore TS focus on NC be a chad. Go for marcille lailos first. build knox lavathune aurelia, 4f jerome talimar

[river shuttle]

ill remember

[errant sable]

yeah but most of it seems not thattt important that u select a garrison for it, till 46

[umbral wadi]

see>? useless

[solar fractal]

You already hate me

[summer vector]

we getting somewhere

[drifting hemlock]

No we are not

[errant sable]

already ahead of u king

[charred jetty]

There’s also no way dragon first isn’t optimal

But not enough testing

[cinder flax]

I think he doesn't want to move forward in order to further stabilize his team

[summer vector]

that's on f2p btw u ain't ahead xD

[charred jetty]

Given DT, fomo, resources, frickin just having more heroes

[inner olive]

ignore knox, build lavatune aurelia daemia first 3 celehypos

[errant sable]

4f-less acc when

[umbral wadi]

the 40 Pulina copies:

[summer vector]

[charred jetty]

Can grit

[inner olive]

full nc focus

[charred jetty]

You know you can grit dragons

Which is hella frickin value

[umbral wadi]

I don't actually you should know this by now

[inner olive]

the wishlist not including her :

[drifting hemlock]

Isnt there this guy Genousu who did dragon very early and had decent progress

[umbral wadi]

I am most uninformed player here

ok maybe aside from nerds

[deep fractal]

theres also 2x 27 pets for the same amount of 1 HB, thats 800-900 euro

[charred jetty]

[deep fractal]

YOu know if you want to spend the money there are lots of techs

[errant sable]

id make a dragon first acc if PoT wasnt so aids

[drifting hemlock]

Dragon as in dracolite my guy

[charred jetty]

Same

[winged nymph]

How

[charred jetty]

PoT is honestly fine

But frickin candy crash

[inner olive]

you don't have to play pot blud just do balloon up until the point it stops giving faction scrolls

[charred jetty]

Spare me

[summer vector]

Ngl I'm down to create a dragon first acc if yall want me to

[river shuttle]

let me cook ngl

[inner olive]

candy crush without the ability to buy extra moves and without power ups is literally just super hell

[summer vector]

ill just be running 3 acc's instead of 2

[river shuttle]

new server when

[drifting hemlock]

Nah actually dont do dragons before knox

[errant sable]

fucking vampire survivors*

[charred jetty]

Just stop your account at mid early game

[inner olive]

yeah that's just setting people up for failure

[drifting hemlock]

U will stagnate your campaign progress so much

[charred jetty]

Like ch35

[charred jetty]

Would you actually though

[deep fractal]

Genosou is my guildmate, he is also building highborns. You cannot start dragolite without si40 resources from hb pulls

[charred jetty]

You get velu

[summer vector]

want me to try? best time would be during this event ngl;

[umbral wadi]

inb4 Nyla for campaign

[inner olive]

most dragons are completely useless before 30930/60

[errant sable]

how would RC look tho

[charred jetty]

And since enemies 1. Don’t have acc, 2. Don’t have sig furn engravings gear

[inner olive]

some even 40960 (cough cough sion)

[charred jetty]

You can probably slap on a 2MP coll and achieve immunity

[errant sable]

[charred jetty]

You mean RGMs, or have you tested in early camp

[inner olive]

yeah ok and then what about when you reach 3-4 teams

[drifting hemlock]

so it goes hand in hand but not directly correlated

[charred jetty]

Or even TS

Melon cc

And buff

[inner olive]

no need to test ngl

[charred jetty]

Sion 209e30

[inner olive]

hold up lemme read skills rq

[drifting hemlock]

TS wise if u go dragons first u r obviously mogging

[charred jetty]

No way he’s worse than some other crap right

[umbral wadi]

do you get enough dragon reds to actually invest into all the dragons

[charred jetty]

But TS is also not as important at DT

[drifting hemlock]

for campaign hes too squishy that low invest

[charred jetty]

Well Sion is squishy anyways

But you can dodge gear

[umbral wadi]

or are we running all dragons at si20

[charred jetty]

And enemies have jack all acc

[drifting hemlock]

we gon do with si20 dragons

[charred jetty]

I was thinking most at 20 yeah

[umbral wadi]

amazing

[charred jetty]

40 for Sion probably

Idk how they will get dragon reds

[inner olive]

ok his si20 does a whole bunch of nothing, 9f actually really good, e30 decent

[charred jetty]

But sooner is probably better than later

Since they get more dragon reds

[drifting hemlock]

dragonforge

[charred jetty]

Stats

Cheap + stats

[drifting hemlock]

and hb summoning

[umbral wadi]

I don't know all the dragons because I obviously don't play this game but how many of them are actually good at si20

[inner olive]

when the 0% winrate sion team kicks in

[charred jetty]

DT and Fomo are main source right

[charred jetty]

[inner olive]

fomo gives no dragon reds

[charred jetty]

Honestly maybe lol

[charred jetty]

Uh 260 pulls

It gives reds

[drifting hemlock]

what is fomo

[umbral wadi]

This is when we make aShem first woke agian, so Sion has a good team to slot into

[summer vector]

the 300 pulls

[inner olive]

it's at 230 and 260 ain't no new player getting to that point

[drifting hemlock]

Ahhhh

[umbral wadi]

I am genius

[gray echo]

=campaign

[gilded sapphire]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/618027271906918400/1320930606573555752/newgitgudguidev2.png?ex=689b45be&is=6899f43e&hm=2a04a9aec55d8216c661a2499dccc95d8e112a970bbca008f0c9e34918e7a0bc&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=1516&height=1168

[drifting hemlock]

Well u might be right

[umbral wadi]

I always am

[charred jetty]

You know if SJW comes out we maybe should

I like Fawkes first though

[umbral wadi]

that's a very big if

[charred jetty]

Easy comp

[drifting hemlock]

Tomorrow lilith announces sjw and cha coming to garrison

[charred jetty]

Easy good for new player

[inner olive]

just stop the fawkes glaze unc

[umbral wadi]

Lilith about to hit us with the 18 month wait

[inner olive]

fawkes is NOT that good 🥀

[errant sable]

they would if they go dragon first

[charred jetty]

He’s helllla good

[drifting hemlock]

This guy obv knows nothing im sr on his behalf

[summer vector]

ngl if u skip 4f and spam draconic from ch1 u might be able to xD

[charred jetty]

But legit though he’s more stable than brrrlinda

[umbral wadi]

Yeah man just wait until the garage update drops and you'll see how good aFawkes is in the new meta

[charred jetty]

Well 300 is only like 150 by diamonds

[inner olive]

and then if you skip 4f you're just never making it to 33

[charred jetty]

Which is like 75k per 3 months

That’s literally nothing

[summer vector]

[deep fractal]

btw since im new member in the OS. Why were there no codes for Easter ?

[charred jetty]

Yeah skipping Ivan would be.. tragic

[inner olive]

uh because because

[summer vector]

depends tho f2p would be hard no?

[drifting hemlock]

Ye

[deep fractal]

WHERE ARE EASTER CODES @mental crater

[charred jetty]

Nah we get like 1-2k per day or something

1k if no RGMs iirc

[summer vector]

wait true

[umbral wadi]

You should ping more lilith staff to improve your odds of them responding

[charred jetty]

Bruh

Why did you do that

Please don’t ping Lilith staff

[umbral wadi]

hater

[deep fractal]

https://tenor.com/view/peeporiot-peeporiot-havi-gif-23057486

[charred jetty]

???

[drifting hemlock]

ngl diamonds are such a contested currency

[inner olive]

doubt it's a real person running that account

[charred jetty]

Idk

[deep fractal]

Where are the easter codes

[drifting hemlock]

used for stargazing 4f dragons

[charred jetty]

I mean they have a team

#bug-reports

[summer vector]

mmh that is depending on the fact we get draconic every 6 months no?

[inner olive]

bold of you to assume it's humans sending messages from that account

[drifting hemlock]

We will

[charred jetty]

No you get free scrolls

[errant sable]

am so poor :(

[charred jetty]

I think they use ai to type response, but defs humans

[summer vector]

wait what do u mean with that xD

[umbral wadi]

it actually is humans responding

[charred jetty]

Dragon scrolls

[inner olive]

ah ic

[drifting hemlock]

I think the reliability of any strat should be tested without the presence of Elthara

[summer vector]

yeah no shit I know xD, but I mean how does that answer my question

[charred jetty]

Which is the way to go

[river shuttle]

New acc off to a good start

[charred jetty]

Well you don’t need to pull 300 times with diamonds

Dragon scrolls effectively half the fomo cost

[summer vector]

ooh yeah ik that, but I mean like about the time it takes for draconic event, like is it every 6 months average

[charred jetty]

Oh

[drifting hemlock]

Catch up to my 35-4 1 week speedrun

[umbral wadi]

They actually edit their messages so I doubt it

[summer vector]

or could they just drop one on us in 2 months or sum

[charred jetty]

Hmm some of them are very LLM vibe though

[umbral wadi]

they probably use some type of translator but I really think discord cs is humans

[charred jetty]

I think someone was complaining the other day

[umbral wadi]

since it's a team could be a mix of lazy employees and devoted employees

[charred jetty]

Yeah definitely real people

[inner olive]

it's either self bot running the account entirely and using ai to write messages or humans running the account but using ai to write messages

[charred jetty]

But like use AI to write up the message

[umbral wadi]

in game cs is different from discord cs

[charred jetty]

I do that for my work too

[inner olive]

there's no way it's human messages

[charred jetty]

Oh

AI good at doing very polite + corporate lingo

[inner olive]

they're both ai don't be fooled

[umbral wadi]

I think you're referring to the in game support message which was actually ai

[deep fractal]

@charred jetty Is the duck event with the diamonds re-occurying each month ?

[charred jetty]

Idk how frequent exactly, but it is periodic

[river shuttle]

lightwork... give me elthara game plsss

[drifting hemlock]

Melion and Velu are both very good 20330

[river shuttle]

ill test how good dragon early pull is

i need to save 150k diamonds

[drifting hemlock]

Sion seems like he still needs some type of immunity control

[drifting hemlock]

Dont save spend spend spend

[river shuttle]

do you know how much diamonds i get until ch16?

[charred jetty]

What about rem dae?

[drifting hemlock]

Hm but pushing dragons early is pushing celehypo progress

rem sure but doesnt that still change sion gale blessing?

sion e30 is potent

begris is 30 40 typa hero

yeah begris rlly need them si30 si40

[river shuttle]

Imagine this honor

[drifting hemlock]

I dont even have this honor

[river shuttle]

i didnt see ur box yet and ur small accs are switching to much for me

[drifting hemlock]

iirc its around 25k diamonds if u save it all up?

[river shuttle]

thats bad

[tepid totem]

nice

[river shuttle]

i need way more

[drifting hemlock]

it might be more i dont rlly remember

Hmmm lemme think think think

[river shuttle]

16x10x200=?

32k?

[drifting hemlock]

c8 above is 250 each and 2 500

[river shuttle]

but ch 1-4 are just 100

[drifting hemlock]

Theres also other sources

[river shuttle]

so prolly like 50k

just from camp

[drifting hemlock]

estimate so

[river shuttle]

ill have a1 sion later today trust

[drifting hemlock]

Brah

[river shuttle]

i have 3 wathas i can choose from

[drifting hemlock]

Lollll choose envy he clears faster trust

[river shuttle]

nuh

[drifting hemlock]

1 celehypo done is like 200k dias early

250 ish

Man idek what im saying im js gon sleep

[river shuttle]

randle absolutely carrying my ass already

[eternal scarab]

Hello, do i only use rare heroes as food for my ascends or should i use the epics that are not good aswell?

[drifting hemlock]

Avoid

[drifting hemlock]

Get ivan then we talkin

[river shuttle]

dont use epics if you want to play the game long term, if you just want to speedrun to a certain point you can use them

[drifting hemlock]

Btw get E Selene too

[eternal scarab]

Alright thanks

[river shuttle]

i will

[drifting hemlock]

what else, hmmm

[eternal scarab]

I got A randle now missing 1 copy for A ivan should i wait for ivans signature and level that first?

[river shuttle]

i have 10 free di and i might by 5€ bundle if its available for elthara

[errant sable]

whale

[drifting hemlock]

You can level up sig when they are M

[eternal scarab]

Ah yeah true rephrase which one first

[river shuttle]

ill spend more than on my main xDD

[drifting hemlock]

10 from bardic tale 20 from login 34 from bundle

[river shuttle]

ivan

[errant sable]

so wha, dragon first acc?

[river shuttle]

ye

[errant sable]

wild

[eternal scarab]

Alright thanks

[drifting hemlock]

U get 2 free DIs from oddy ship and weekly too

[river shuttle]

thats pretty much guaranteed elthara

[drifting hemlock]

So 66 basically guaranteed elth

[errant sable]

that is guaranteed

[drifting hemlock]

ye

[inner olive]

i wanna play on new acc but it's so boring

[river shuttle]

peepoNerdGiggle

[errant sable]

65 is pity

[drifting hemlock]

imagine not spending 5$ for 30 DI in this economy

Its also free 4 TE too thats smth

[errant sable]

never buying a house anyway

might as well get avocado toast

[signal vortex]

https://tenor.com/view/balls-476-gif-11292540919794927895

[river shuttle]

watch my name getting uptaded once in a while

[drifting hemlock]

Actually its smth since 4 TE is 2k dias

[river shuttle]

i got 10 sg from code so thats 5k dias too

[errant sable]

once u hit ch35 u just quit, im calling it

[drifting hemlock]

5$ in my country is like 3 meals i mean i can starve for a day

[drifting hemlock]

Get 10 from lilith pass

[river shuttle]

real ( its like not even 1 for me anyways)

[drifting hemlock]

The birthday chest

[errant sable]

im moving in with you

imma live in your walls
thats cheap

[river shuttle]

we can all live together

[errant sable]

the afk arena polycule house

[drifting hemlock]

Wtf is yall saying hell nah im still straight i dont want a polyculeeee

and i dont want ppl in my walls

[inner olive]

💀

[errant sable]

dont see how straight would prevent a polycule ngl

[drifting hemlock]

[errant sable]

not your choice-

[river shuttle]

its our walls now

[errant sable]

u can just have multiple gfs

[drifting hemlock]

Fuck

Is this what they call suffering from success

[errant sable]

but thatd require girls to play this game and they clearly dont

[inner olive]

true

[drifting hemlock]

I mean gf and bf is interchangable

[wraith fjord]

it has to be the best investment for low spenders

[umbral wadi]

Wtf there’s like multiple regulars in here

[merry gorge]

LETSGOOOO everytime i win a multi team in camp i feel so satisfied

[errant sable]

I call it "chinese warlord moding" when I got a girl on either side of me in the bed

[drifting hemlock]

Not to be taken out of context im still straight

[inner olive]

who

[merry gorge]

what is

[inner olive]

oh kisaka right

[errant sable]

I am not real and neither are they

we are all AI made by lilith to make you all more competitive so you can impress us "girls"

[umbral wadi]

Emily Hythlo Kisaka to name 3

[drifting hemlock]

hythlo kisaka so much

[merry gorge]

im about to but the 2k mythril pack rn whats the best i can get? 30 DI and deluxe card?

[river shuttle]

myu and farara also girls now

[drifting hemlock]

@bright kayak u a girl or nah

[umbral wadi]

Farara gender unknown

[errant sable]

now 🤔

🏳️‍⚧️ 🎉

[inner olive]

look at her bio gng

[drifting hemlock]

himmel girl (joke)

[wraith fjord]

wtf is this conversation

[inner olive]

fuck is a himmel

[bright kayak]

Where does that question come from

[umbral wadi]

Clip also best girl

[drifting hemlock]

Pull me out

[wraith fjord]

no

[inner olive]

me when i don't backread