classic-questions

[olive jewel]

Also we are only like 12 battles into this deployment right?

[charred jetty]

For seal stall I wonder if something like fox is actually better

[olive jewel]

JD commited to being the anti seal guy

[charred jetty]

[uneven veldt]

yall anti wthoran

[olive jewel]

I put him like 6th/7th in prio

[uneven veldt]

best staller

[charred jetty]

Gorren is bad for the setup

[olive jewel]

thats not bad

[olive jewel]

my seal is doing around 25% of my damage in that team

[charred jetty]

I think whoran only worth if you don’t use Fawkes in the same comp

[charred jetty]

Is your lys free?

[olive jewel]

I think it's box dependant

[charred jetty]

Probably not right, because en passant

[olive jewel]

/region dependant

[olive jewel]

correct

en passant always kinda low WR but it also uses heroes without much of a home

[charred jetty]

Elthara might be a scam guys

Yeah my seal is doing closer to 5-10% of the damage

[uneven veldt]

damn in what world u lose that

[hybrid breach]

L elth > 40960 elth

[charred jetty]

That guy is much bigger though

[hybrid breach]

tree diff

[charred jetty]

He just doesn’t have elthara

[grim hamlet]

Or +40 lys and e60 vida matter more ig

[hybrid breach]

my bet is rng or tree

[grim hamlet]

Probably both

[oak stirrup]

Mirror match lose

[charred jetty]

Probably both yeah

I don’t think Lysander 40 is the reason… what does it do again

[grim hamlet]

Bunch of haste

[uneven veldt]

bigger tree?

[hybrid breach]

all ik is it helps him do more dmg in idre

[oak stirrup]

Watch replay and see who got the first blood

[charred jetty]

Oh for sure it helped a lot

[hybrid breach]

or kane?

one of the above

[grim hamlet]

Yes it's teamwide haste and shit once vida/whoran touches the backline

[oak stirrup]

Ohh bigger Alvida bigger Lysander rip

[charred jetty]

Uh, his elthara?

[oak stirrup]

Take that Lysander SI30 advocates

[charred jetty]

The heck

[oak stirrup]

Watch replay again and see if you or him got the first kill because it snowballs

[charred jetty]

Both teams stacked with 4018e60 HB and wokes

And the only L hero in the entire match got the first blood

=restarting

[gilded sapphire]

https://discord.com/channels/441477431501783060/1098437930919395388

[oak stirrup]

He got lucky and then his team will just flatten you

Maybe critted

[charred jetty]

His Fawkes wiped my team

Which makes sense given his tiny elthara

And seal is just stat buff + cc twice

Seal 18 for sure fraudulent in this variant of stall

[oak stirrup]

Is it now? What's your overall win rate last time

I mean, that person is top 20 for a reason

[charred jetty]

Oh he just won the Alvida v Alvida

Oh so the reason is Alvida e60?

[oak stirrup]

Time to SI40 your own Lysander and Alvida

[charred jetty]

Literally Alvida did more damage than seal

[oak stirrup]

I mean yeah bigger engrave

[charred jetty]

His, not mine

Mine did more for some reason

[oak stirrup]

He murder you before seal get another hit

[charred jetty]

It stalled out the whole Alvida v Alvida though

But yeah elthara and Fawkes bursts them down this debuff

Not a good test

I’ll return next debuff

Btw @oak stirrup do people use Fawkes in en passant?

[pallid knoll]

How does that guy's colls setup look like?

[olive jewel]

Alvida is apparently my highest CMBR without e60

[charred jetty]

Idk but probably giga stacked

She’s a top 50 NC frequenter

Which in my region means she’s pretty big beans lol

Dang I want to test icariel

[olive jewel]

are you r4?

[pallid knoll]

[charred jetty]

Does anyone have icariel 40

[olive jewel]

if by 40 you mean 200e30....yes

[velvet jetty]

Thats 50

[olive jewel]

[pallid knoll]

Found her

Yeah her colls are good

[charred jetty]

Ok bro

[hybrid breach]

picks the one coll everyone has

[charred jetty]

Wait why do people get that instead of 5 PP?

[pallid knoll]

Meta lys coll

[hybrid breach]

occasionally useful on other heros

[charred jetty]

O

[pallid knoll]

[charred jetty]

Lys only would be like 5 PP right

[hybrid breach]

sky does directly scale on pp

[charred jetty]

I forgot why Lys want PP

[hybrid breach]

scales buffs on pp

like palmer with mp

[charred jetty]

Oh ok

[pallid knoll]

Is oculus better than storm for elth?

[hybrid breach]

no its probably an old aure coll

[charred jetty]

No storm is better

But I don’t think you needed to change

[pallid knoll]

I see.. she probably hasnt made a 5M ero storm yet

[hybrid breach]

assuming no storm in the comp its like a 10% dmg buff

[charred jetty]

Ok wow my comps suck

[charred jetty]

Oh

That comp had Fawkes though

[hybrid breach]

theres been really no spot where storm over ocu is a hard requirement yet

[charred jetty]

So ig he didn’t need it

[harsh acorn]

[charred jetty]

Ig not that big

[hybrid breach]

?

[charred jetty]

Way bigger than me though

[charred jetty]

Uh the elthara seal stall one

[pallid knoll]

Ah alright.. so old well-made ocus are still used frequently

[hybrid breach]

i was just saying theres no benefit to a +0 storm over ocu unless theres no other storm in the comp and even then its like 10%

[charred jetty]

Yeah

[hybrid breach]

only stat sticks and really only in that case

[charred jetty]

I was just responding to that

Like storm has no bonus over oculus in that comp

Since Fawkes

Also is my SJW too small

[hybrid breach]

the only time i can think of +2 ocu being better than +2 storm is that one abel CR round (if it still exist)

[charred jetty]

Idk why he’s getting rolled so hard

Just a bad debuff? Or does that team just suck now

[hybrid breach]

youre not doing vida elth pony?

[charred jetty]

Uh not for 5 team

My pony is only 18

[hybrid breach]

oh youre only 5t

[charred jetty]

Well actually 20 I think

I want to just build skylan

But I feel like that’s dumb

[tepid raft]

Hmmmm

[hybrid breach]

hypo lyca

[tepid raft]

Furry hippo said he thinks awakened canisa and rouk or however its spelt and i hope hes wrong

[hybrid breach]

not time for woke iirc

overdue for celepog

[tepid raft]

Id love a new hypo

[hybrid breach]

and hippo consistently has the worst takes imaginable

[charred jetty]

He’s 100% hypo

His backstory is also like he fell into the dark side after falling in love with a demon queen

[tepid raft]

Who

[hybrid breach]

https://tenor.com/view/anime-girl-bleach-yoruichi-pose-yoruichi-gif-8785385426351087028

lowkey reminds me of her

[charred jetty]

New hypo

[tepid raft]

We should know tomorrow right on test patch notes

[charred jetty]

Why do so many people build kregor

[hybrid breach]

kregor overrated af

[charred jetty]

I thought so too

But their SJW teams doing much better than mine

Do I really need to 409e60 him

Smh I really don’t want to

[hybrid breach]

you can try 20960 since you rank lower

but also old region

so might need the si40

[tepid raft]

Not too bad for me

[charred jetty]

That’s a giga SJW

Mine is still 309e33

[hybrid breach]

prob just invest diff

[tepid raft]

Thats my cha lol

[charred jetty]

What the heck is your roster

What the kraken

[hybrid breach]

also your region is considerably younger than jds

[charred jetty]

I thought you were a newish player

[tepid raft]

I wasnt comparing lmao it was just a coincidence

[charred jetty]

You have the roster to auto into powercap

[tepid raft]

I posted my ts in two different discords not including this one

[charred jetty]

Yeah I don’t understand this game anymore

I’ll just stick to my campaign

[hybrid breach]

https://tenor.com/view/now-old-man-the-future-is-now-old-man-gif-9677657

[tepid raft]

Youll get hang of it big fella

[timber cedar]

I just copy teams

[charred jetty]

I wish I could too

But there’s only like 3 people in my top 100 that don’t have skylan

[tepid raft]

Cant follow guide either?

[hybrid breach]

back when i played i copy on 5t and 7t and t20

[charred jetty]

I followed the guide

[tepid raft]

Oh dang sorry

[charred jetty]

I think I’m just lacking too many investments for my region

[timber cedar]

I literally copy grumble even though he's one region smaller

[charred jetty]

Like budget stuff works when your region is newer because people don’t have the investments

[tepid raft]

Region 49 isnt as easy as yall think

[charred jetty]

But my region most people left have solid 409e60 rosters, often with all their carries e80+

[timber cedar]

But yk he has everything I have except thoran so I just gotta remember to swap in thoran in seal

[hybrid breach]

compared to anything older than r37 yes

[charred jetty]

Grumble is new gen goat

[timber cedar]

I somehow have 6k more cores than shards

[charred jetty]

Well with casual, but casual is kinda a different caliber

Casual makes me look f2p, even if I was in his region

[timber cedar]

Like 500 shards and 6500 cores

[timber cedar]

Casual... is big big big

[charred jetty]

It’s not that my region has more HBs and wokes necessarily though it probably does

More that these people are all ex krakens

[hybrid breach]

hbs maybe not but wokes yeah

[charred jetty]

So their key heroes like wuci are all 5* 4527e87

[hybrid breach]

old players can easily keep up with the slow woke/celepog releases

[charred jetty]

My 309e33 SJW clearly just isn’t good enough

But like, do I want to do 409e60 just for TS

Probably not

[olive jewel]

e60 is pretty strong

[charred jetty]

I lowkey wish we don’t get HB swap

So I get to swap my Mae

L Mae is also just not it

[timber cedar]

Nope I pray for hbd swap cuz I need elthara

Especially since I build fawkes alr

[charred jetty]

Well actually you don’t need elthara if you are going to use her in stall with Fawkes

Case in point

[torpid sand]

Is fiona just an illusion and ur actually a guy?

[olive jewel]

[torpid sand]

Hi jacko

When I get home I'm gonna order my $25k worth of cards

[charred jetty]

Sigh we lost boosts

[torpid sand]

Gonna spend like $250 only ofc, because I find the best deals

[charred jetty]

Where shiny

Can I boost?

Idk if orbs come with boost

[olive jewel]

Took this screenshot earlier today. The three accounts I can't bring myself to delete

[torpid sand]

🥹

[charred jetty]

Gabi quit?

[olive jewel]

Quite a while ago

[charred jetty]

I thought he still played, just left the server

[olive jewel]

I think they did play for a bit after leaving here but it wasnt long

[torpid sand]

What cedh deck do u reckon I should get?

[buoyant fern]

if we get hb swap just pull mae. u should have enough tg no??

[olive jewel]

All I know is that Kinnan, Bonder Prodigy is like the best commander in the game

[buoyant fern]

ish gabi all goneee

[torpid sand]

Kinnan huh

[olive jewel]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1313561380216901764/1478546693031989348/1478538519558492252.webp

[torpid sand]

Interesting

[buoyant fern]

[olive jewel]

several turn 2-3 infinites

[torpid sand]

Etali and RogSi both have several turn 1 wins hehe

[olive jewel]

well it depends on consistencey too

if you wanna be a combo deck that can win right away or a more good stuff deck with infinites

[torpid sand]

This is the list I wanna get rn

[molten canopy]

Are you talking about MTGA

[olive jewel]

as I understand cedh basically has combo/combo-control/aggro as the only real meta strategies

[torpid sand]

Considering Selvala atm

[torpid sand]

No

[olive jewel]

Not Arena just MTG

[torpid sand]

Just mtg

[molten canopy]

@torpid sand @olive jewel oh okay I was just wondering they just added the turtles to arena

[torpid sand]

What did you even just say

[olive jewel]

I've been thinking about getting into Modern again but its SO hard to get back into a comp metagame with how often sets come out

[olive jewel]

TMNT set

[torpid sand]

Ohhhh

Right

I thought he meant the creature type

[olive jewel]

I think Arena already had the type

[molten canopy]

Yeah I'm sorry that was very vague of me I meant they just added Ninja turtles they've had turtles on the game from the beginning

[torpid sand]

Real shit, 7 sets this year

[torpid sand]

Yeah yeah hence my confusion haha

[molten canopy]

I don't know understand why people are complaining it's always been seven sets four regular sets and three side sets

[torpid sand]

I wonder what they're naming all the cards

Spiderman was fried with naming lmao

[molten canopy]

Oh they didn't rename them they actually released Ninja turtles unlike the Spider-Man one

[torpid sand]

Its 7 main sets now, with 4 being UB

[olive jewel]

Depends how far you go back. Also most side sets were reprint sets and not newly legal to any format

[torpid sand]

I'm hyped for strixhaven

[molten canopy]

I'm wanting to get the second Casey Jones and slash

[torpid sand]

Lorehold looks interesting af

[olive jewel]

The first Strixhaven set was an all time underrated one imo

[molten canopy]

My favorite sets are the betrayer block and ravnica

[torpid sand]

My favourite keyword in the whole game is magecraft

[olive jewel]

Thats a very Nem keyword

idk what mine is...

[torpid sand]

So true haha

I'm an izzet fan boy for life

[torpid sand]

Betrayer block?

[molten canopy]

@torpid sand that's set

[torpid sand]

Is that heartless hidetsugu?

[molten canopy]

Yes that is his theme deck

So technically that's his first appearance

[olive jewel]

Flashback is probably mine

[torpid sand]

I know ball when I see it

[torpid sand]

Respect it

@molten canopy what's ur favourite keyword?

[olive jewel]

Give me a format where think twice is good in control and I am a happy boy

[molten canopy]

I don't have a computer but if I did have one and even though I've never played it I would like to play grounded if that's what you're talking about

Right now I play mobile games I don't have a computer or a laptop I do have a PlayStation 2 but I don't have internet access

[torpid sand]

Nah I'm talking about keywords on cards like Flying, Haste, Trample

[molten canopy]

Oh okay indestructible

[torpid sand]

Trample over planeswalkers

That's a fun one

[torpid sand]

Very safe answer haha

[molten canopy]

Land walk is pretty fun

[torpid sand]

I wanna find someone who's favourite is Vivid

[olive jewel]

I like prowess too

flash

[molten canopy]

I also like offspring

[torpid sand]

Veyran is our

[torpid sand]

That reminds me, Populate is definitely in my top 5

[molten canopy]

But my favorite card is unstoppable slasher

[olive jewel]

do you know my favourite card? IDK if I have mentioned it before

[torpid sand]

Mines definitely narset's reversal

[torpid sand]

Its not primal amulet is it?

[molten canopy]

A lot of times people don't block unstoppable slasher and die instantly

[torpid sand]

That might be Kaia's

[olive jewel]

no

[olive jewel]

rude

[molten canopy]

Especially if you have both of those cards out on the battlefield

[olive jewel]

the ol' AK. Accumulated Knowledge

[torpid sand]

Oh I've seen that text on a couple cards

[torpid sand]

I cast it on my own spells exclusively

It basically gives any spell I have flashback for two blue

[molten canopy]

I would love a collab with magic the gathering

[torpid sand]

Haha goated card draw in non- singleton formats

[olive jewel]

[torpid sand]

Check out Astarion the Decadent

As a commander

[molten canopy]

@torpid sand @olive jewel have y'all ever read any of the lower of magic the gathering and AFK arena

[torpid sand]

Lore?

[molten canopy]

Can you type his name without the other stuff so I can copy and paste it

[molten canopy]

Yeah that's the word I meant

The dude that made the realms for magic the gathering sounds like the same dude that made the realms for AFK arena

[torpid sand]

Sfw compared to half the shit kitteh posts

[molten canopy]

I don't think he's on arena

[olive jewel]

reminds me of Children of Korlis

old combo piece thats been around for a long time

[tepid raft]

Ahhhh mtg i smell the nostaglia in my nostrils

[torpid sand]

Unfortunate, I've seen an astarion player accidentally one shot someone with tree of perdition

[tepid raft]

This when i lost interest

[olive jewel]

fair

it was....a portent

of things to come

[torpid sand]

So right at the start of UB lmao

[sharp star]

Wait these are real MTG cards

Wth

[torpid sand]

Wait until bro sees Michaelangelo eating a slice of pizza

[olive jewel]

your name is Jace, you dont know this?

[sharp star]

Man they really be collabing everything everywhere

[torpid sand]

Legit wtf, hes a planeswalker that hasn't left his home plane

[sharp star]

I don't keep up with new cards

[tepid raft]

Yall play mtg arena i might get back into it if yall play

[olive jewel]

They are, unfortunately for everyone. basically financially supporting the entire Hasbro corporation

[sharp star]

I legit freaked out when I saw Optimus Prime

[torpid sand]

Slicer >

[torpid sand]

No, I can't proxy original duals and big tiddie Chandra's on arena

[tepid raft]

Idk wtf you just said lol

[sharp star]

I have finally made my very expensive deck, and I'm very happy about it, but I still want Sephiroth

[torpid sand]

Don't search up Blasphemous Ass

[torpid sand]

Sephiroth is goated yeah

[sharp star]

Second best video game ost, right after Bury the Light

[tepid raft]

@olive jewel do you play mtg arena

[molten canopy]

@tepid raft I do

[olive jewel]

No I really only play paper

[tepid raft]

Ahhhh fair enough

[olive jewel]

If even that for the past year

[tepid raft]

Oh nice add me

[olive jewel]

Nem what should I play in Modern

[tepid raft]

I havent played in yrs

[olive jewel]

My hot take is that Dancing Mad is better then One Winged Angel

[torpid sand]

Hmm, options?

[sharp star]

Lemme look it up and give it a listen

[olive jewel]

FFVI final boss theme

[sharp star]

Everyone in the comments would agree

[molten canopy]

Okay send me your ID in a DM

[sharp star]

One winged angel is what most will start with, Dancing mad is what people that explore end up finding

[olive jewel]

Uh...like Affinity, Jeskai Blink and Control are the ones I would probably want to play

[tepid raft]

Will do once i find it lmao

[sharp star]

I love classical arrangements that involve an organ

I also love the card Omnipotence it's my fuel

[olive jewel]

I have cast that a lot in Pioneer

[sharp star]

Yesss it's so broken especially with the strat that I managed to find back in 2018/2019

I haven't been able to properly execute my strat yet, but if I do in a game, it's GG for everyone else

[torpid sand]

Affinity is goated

Control is for salty only child's that grew up spoiled

[sharp star]

Most of my main cards are built around Reaper King's second ability

[torpid sand]

Reaper King or Reaper King No More?

[sharp star]

Reaper King

His second ability destroys a permanent Everytime a Scarecrow enters the battlefield

[torpid sand]

Thats evil yeah

[sharp star]

And with Arcane adaptation, I don't have to have a scarecrow deck

[sharp star]

What's really evil is the combo that I found

[torpid sand]

does it involve emiel?

[sharp star]

Arcane adaptation, Stone cloud curio, Omnipotence, and Aetherflux reservoir

[sharp star]

I'd have to Google that one

Looks like a fun card

[olive jewel]

no modern pro tours until july

I want to see what actual good players build...

[sharp star]

I also have other cards that can help reach that combo, with the main two being Rhystic Study and Esper Sentinel

[olive jewel]

and its Pro Tour Marvel Superheroes....

[sharp star]

I spent good money so my deck can be goated

I also got my personal favorite mana ramping card, which is boundless realms

[torpid sand]

omnipotence or omniscience?

[sharp star]

I believe Omnipotence is the free casting one

[torpid sand]

[torpid sand]

no that's u can play lands and spells from GY ()

science is the free cast blue one

[sharp star]

Ohhh yeah it's Omniscience my bad

[torpid sand]

oh nvm this is just a proxy

[sharp star]

Oh wow that's really good

[torpid sand]

looks like this is the closest real card

[sharp star]

Nasty for a 5 cost

[torpid sand]

only that low because it includes u

[sharp star]

Reminds me of when I had Worldfire in my regular deck

[olive jewel]

wait wtf Yawgmoth's Will is legal in Commander?

[torpid sand]

I mean, that looks like a pretty mediocre card to me

[sharp star]

As far as I know, there isn't too many cards that aren't legal

[torpid sand]

oh it's cards, not lands

nvm that's broken

[olive jewel]

Its not legal in like...anything

[torpid sand]

there's actually enough cards to make an entire deck

[sharp star]

I figured

[olive jewel]

even restricted in vintage where cards arent banned

[torpid sand]

source: Ben Brode terrorising Olivia with his all banned cards deck

[sharp star]

Ok yeah you know it's bad when it's illegal in all formats

[torpid sand]

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/Cv9Ym3ZeE2Q

[sharp star]

I think Worldfire is the same for almost every format

[olive jewel]

It was common in storm where you would storm off for a while, cast it and then storm off with all the cards you already stormed off with

[sharp star]

Bought this card for $1.25 and it was so worth

I just finished this masterpiece @olive jewel

[torpid sand]

except commander

[sharp star]

Wait is it legal for commander then?

[torpid sand]

ye

[sharp star]

Omg imma have to buy another one for my deck now

[torpid sand]

bud u only get 1 copy per card

[sharp star]

I have 0

[torpid sand]

oh

[sharp star]

I haven't opened this card since like 2020 or so

When I went to trade in my 6000 cards, they actually managed to find 6 demonic Tutors

[torpid sand]

jesus what

[sharp star]

Yes my sister's ex husband gave me about 6000

There was a couple thousand that I handed out to classmates

So at least 8000 cards that he had given me

And I had fallen off of mtg at that point, so I said screw it and traded them in to my local game store

One of the 1000 card boxes was just lands

[olive jewel]

[sharp star]

Maybe about 1.5k land cards I think I had

A truly unique experience I also had 2014 commander decks that were basically unused

[olive jewel]

Any good cards in those?

[sharp star]

Yea but I can't remember anymore tbh

[torpid sand]

probably had city of traitors

[sharp star]

It was the Guided by Nature precon

[olive jewel]

Baleful Strix was exclusive to side products for a while. Was worth a bit iirc since it was a top top meta staple in legacy for a long time

[torpid sand]

I got one of those

from mirko precon

[sharp star]

I think I once traded in a single card for $25 from one of them

Used it at the time to get Ajani Mentor of Heroes

[haughty steeple]

How long do yall think it’ll take to get get past a wall in the game

[olive jewel]

Btw if anyone has questions about mobile game afk arena.......go ahead pls don't mind us

[torpid sand]

I usually just give my shit deathtouch

[olive jewel]

What kind of wall?

Just like a campaign stage?

[haughty steeple]

Having a hard time in towers and campaign

[olive jewel]

Shouldn't take long

Especially early you just afk for a bit

[sharp star]

Yea, especially if you're trying different comps as well

[haughty steeple]

Am in chapter 54 for campaign

[sharp star]

I sometimes have to swap heroes around just for one stage

But the deficits are surprisingly lenient, especially depending on who you have built and use

[charred jetty]

I do, but like pulling mae is a terrible investment as it's basically a pure liability

[olive jewel]

Oh. Well that can take longer to pass but the good news is that you are past campaign actually mattering to your account progress

[sharp star]

That is true

[haughty steeple]

What about elemental towers

[charred jetty]

I feel like I'd rather just wait for mae to get replaced lol

[sharp star]

Definitely mess with your comps, and don't forget about the free weekly merc

[olive jewel]

This comes back to our thing about hoarding

[charred jetty]

or just take the L, save 500 cards

[oak stirrup]

[olive jewel]

There is no way Mae is actually worth the resources she would cost

[charred jetty]

ok I need to look into why we aren't shiny anymore

[charred jetty]

yeah exactly my thought process

[oak stirrup]

What is this 'en peasant passant'

[charred jetty]

it's the pony alvida awthalia comp

someone who made a guide called it that, so I'll just call it that as well

[olive jewel]

Btw don't look back at chat logs trust me we were on topic for a long time

[oak stirrup]

Isn't horse comp like the standard one

[charred jetty]

[sharp star]

^

[oak stirrup]

Where you sub out Fawkes with Athalia if you need him in different team

[torpid sand]

genderbender ah

[oak stirrup]

[sharp star]

Speaking of, I'm on day 800+ of waiting for Awakened Isabella

[buoyant fern]

playing this game is terrible investment trust me. at least ud be out of the miserable team swap headaches

[torpid sand]

also @olive jewel did u see this guy got let out of jail?

[oak stirrup]

Keep waiting Lilith moved on from awakened they are now pooshing dragon dragon and more dragon

[torpid sand]

he's now only "Banned as companion"

[charred jetty]

what the heck is this

[olive jewel]

oh. Was gonna say that is a CRAZY decision lol

[sharp star]

Yea that's what it feels like

[oak stirrup]

Are you allowed to bring like 20x doom blades and have this card up so it becomes legal in commander

[charred jetty]

why do we have 19 boosts but don't have this thing

we only need 14 boosts for lv3

[haughty steeple]

How much does the elder tree matter in grinding?

[charred jetty]

what the heck is discord doing

[oak stirrup]

LDplayerLDplayer

[charred jetty]

depends what you mean by grinding

[oak stirrup]

[haughty steeple]

Towers and campaign mainly

[charred jetty]

it barely matters at all for towers and camp

you do get some skills and stats

but I honestly can't remember the last time that actually mattered

well maybe for envy

agi tree skill is good for agi heroes

[oak stirrup]

You can't "grind" in this game, you do NOT get extra resources for playing more and pushing more, you just get the limited amount of stuff earlier

[charred jetty]

everything is just meh + flat stats

[sharp star]

The only time I even swapped my elder tree was to try and copy what the top people had for TR

[torpid sand]

legit, would've been bonkers

[charred jetty]

which quickly get squashed by your RC base stats

[oak stirrup]

There's no way for you to play nonstop for 24 hours, and end up with more resources than someone who just did their daily quests and collected everything, for example

[olive jewel]

I swap my tree once a week for NC

well I guess I swap twice so I can swap back

[charred jetty]

the only 2 things you should swap tree for is NC and AE

[haughty steeple]

I see

So it’s just all at a moderate pace

[olive jewel]

and maybe if Orth finally dies some day in NC not even that

[oak stirrup]

Too bad, they don't let F2P to actually work harder to 'catch up' the what you can get from spending, that's just not the way, F2P need to play smarter to be able to compete

[charred jetty]

this game is an exercise of long term strategy + luck

it's not a competition to see who plays more

which makes it great for people who work/have families

[sharp star]

And who pays more

[haughty steeple]

Currently am trying to get AEstrildra

[charred jetty]

forgot the most important one

[charred jetty]

=te

[gilded sapphire]

Woke Prios and TE income:

https://discord.com/channels/441477431501783060/1255522091650781284

[charred jetty]

in short please hold off

[oak stirrup]

Yes you can get Estrilda, but you're going to have to figure out how to get your hands on massive amount of TE first

[sharp star]

I do love the heavy discounts when they appear ngl

[charred jetty]

we are about to refactor everything

[charred jetty]

yeah the 30 DI deal is so nice

[haughty steeple]

Only way I can is through elemental towers

[sharp star]

Legit

[oak stirrup]

"Heavy" discount? You only save 12 in total after playing 6 times

Unless you mean spender packs, in which welcome fellow spender

[sharp star]

Heavy in comparison to normal rates lol

[charred jetty]

also if you are a moderate spender, perk 4 and woke pets to lv27 are both really good

[olive jewel]

Do you know about Lurrus getting banned in Vintage?

[sharp star]

For the draconic summons yea

[sharp star]

Yea I ran out of those $20 diamond bundles a long time ago lol

Can't remember what they're called

[oak stirrup]

So you bought out the whole thing and still not even ch60 smh smh

[sharp star]

Yea I've been extremely lazy in my campaign

[torpid sand]

orzhov?

[sharp star]

And also poor optimization on summons for a good minute before I finally got the idea

[olive jewel]

yeah, companion. you can cast permanents from GY if they cost less than 3

[charred jetty]

I have a good auto compset if you are interested

depends on your roster though

[sharp star]

Ooh my roster in mainly lacking in HB so anything not involving those

[olive jewel]

ooh I have Elthara now JD! Give me auto KT comps pls

[charred jetty]

the comp only needs elthara

[olive jewel]

pls no pippa

[charred jetty]

probably only L is fine

[charred jetty]

sorry the compset needs 8 pippaws

[olive jewel]

I knew it

[sharp star]

Rip I have 0 elthara

[torpid sand]

oh my

[charred jetty]

ok you need to go and gaze one

=dragons

[gilded sapphire]

https://discord.com/channels/441477431501783060/1232360686705967235

[olive jewel]

So do you know what Vintage is?

[charred jetty]

=unknown

[gilded sapphire]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/618027271906918400/1385698318281084978/image.png?ex=685703a0&is=6855b220&hm=56191670fecd96193ba2082a3d867f62786b0a45a5c2a31f98eb91ec7aeed231&=&format=webp&quality=lossless

[sharp star]

Ok yeah I can grab one

[river shuttle]

[charred jetty]

oh it doesn't say

[oak stirrup]

Imagine not having all the tools, man

[charred jetty]

but =earlycamp

[gilded sapphire]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/565578751715573770/1470865676133466318/EarlyGameCampGuide.png?ex=698cd9e8&is=698b8868&hm=8b645e46d785bb2fd51af1d9919dce3d58354f2f56bffdf01cd68b687899bc5a&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=1210&height=726

[charred jetty]

you should have grabbed a copy at ch15

hey better late than never

[sharp star]

Eh

[charred jetty]

ch57 is too late for elthara to dominate

[sharp star]

The HB are such a headache

[charred jetty]

but L elthara still dominates in TS

[sharp star]

And I was way past chapter 15 when she was introduced

[charred jetty]

ye ik, just saying that it's like the very first you should do with DIs lol

like if you are ch78 rn, you should still get 1 copy asap

[sharp star]

Ahh ok

[charred jetty]

she does more damage in TS at L than seal 18

[sharp star]

Yea I can definitely grab a copy

[charred jetty]

which is ridiculous

and she doesn't need to live either

[sharp star]

I'm just over the rates

[cinder zealot]

Peak

[sharp star]

KILLUA

[charred jetty]

dragon

[cinder zealot]

Na

[sharp star]

Wish I still had my Ging pfp now

[oak stirrup]

Then switch back

[olive jewel]

[cinder zealot]

Not killua he is cool tho

[sharp star]

Might as well be his twin

[torpid sand]

tbh, I only know commander and pauper

[cinder zealot]

[torpid sand]

the rest I very vaguely know

[cinder zealot]

Hi jacko

[charred jetty]

come back when

[cinder zealot]

Never

[charred jetty]

[cinder flax]

Hello, excuse me, any advice on starting a f2pI have some experience, but I still find it a bit difficult.

[charred jetty]

hmm let me update the guide

=todolist

[gilded sapphire]

Beginner TODO-List

1. Read and follow =wishlist
2. Level roster following the bottom left of =guide
3. Push as far as you can using some basic setup of =campaign
4. As soon as GG unlocks (ch6), go to Northzone, set 3 blue totems and run 7 flight (blue wings collection) runs. Read Nino's guide in =colls for more info on how to do this.
5. Befriend someone who has a 409e60 awthalia :athaliaAwakened: (look for red/shiny stars, a crown and the 2 red diamonds under the faction icon) and merc it, get a mentor if possible
6. Use said merc to finish all of PoT content, using afkguide.net for guides
7. Finish all candy crush and vampire survivors content (either manually or just spam request help)
8. Summon everything with scrolls and diamonds on 10x pull, use faction scrolls on GB (spend the 300 diamonds if it's not on GB)
9. Use Ivan :ivan: + Randle :randle: or whatever carry you have and push as far as they can, put the highest ATK flight they have on Ivan and Randle. If you don't have ivan or randle by ch12 and have completed all of the above, use your hero choice chest from ch12 on ivan > randle. If you have both, save the chest.
10. AFK
11. Read the rest of =guide as reading material whilst you wait
12. After ch16, go to highborn pulling area and pull until you get exactly 1 copy of Elthara :elthara: . She is an awesome hypercarry at 1 copy in early campaign and TS.
13. Repeat steps 8-10 until you hit ch31

Terminology:
GG = Ghoulish Gallery
PoT = Peaks of Time
GB = Graveborn

[olive jewel]

Vintage is the format that allows cards of any age. And they don't ban cards for power level. Just restrict them to one copy. So Black Lotus is legal at one. Ancestral Recall is legal at one. Mishra's Workshop is legal at one, bazaar of Baghdad is legal at one......... and yeah Lurrus got fully banned until they changed companion rule

[charred jetty]

=unlocks

=unlock

[gilded sapphire]

When Does X Unlock?

https://discord.com/channels/441477431501783060/1076492667065745459

[olive jewel]

helo

would you like me to post a dopey

[torpid sand]

ohhh now I remember this

yeah Lurrus holds records for time it spent unbanned haha

[charred jetty]

reroll heaven

[oak stirrup]

Yes please, preferably where it's inside a cookie #readytoeat

[cinder flax]

If it's not too much trouble

[olive jewel]

it was SO broken and playing only one copy didnt matter because companion

[olive jewel]

never. always a pleasure

[charred jetty]

uh

when do HBs unlock?

[olive jewel]

16

[charred jetty]

oh what

[olive jewel]

along with wokes right

[oak stirrup]

16 clear or 16 reach

[charred jetty]

why is it after dragon isle

[olive jewel]

dragolites

[charred jetty]

it unlocks with DTs?

[oak stirrup]

Bring out dragon isle to attract their curiosity, then make then realise that they are not ready

[charred jetty]

can you help me with something plz

can you go to dragon isle

and click to check whether you have the highborn dragon summon unlocked?

[tepid raft]

Are slivers still OP in mtg

[charred jetty]

if yes please tell me what chapter you re, and if not please screenshot when it unlocks

ty

[charred jetty]

well at least it means they have some chapters to push before they start destroying the game with elthara lol

[oak stirrup]

Ngl I still think the cool unlocks should be after ch40

[charred jetty]

if it was at ch4, they'd be under the illusion that campaign is trivial and just need to keep spamming start

[oak stirrup]

Make them go through the 4F+celepogean only part, before they are given the cool stuffs

[cinder flax]

This?

[charred jetty]

yes

oh you are very far in already lol

[oak stirrup]

Ooh so you can summon but you're not allowed to do trial

[olive jewel]

no

[charred jetty]

you have a L elthara right?

trial unlocks at ch16

[cinder flax]

Yeah

[charred jetty]

ok good

=earlygame

[oak stirrup]

Nevermind I need to get back into FS soon

[charred jetty]

=earlycamp

[gilded sapphire]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/565578751715573770/1470865676133466318/EarlyGameCampGuide.png?ex=698cd9e8&is=698b8868&hm=8b645e46d785bb2fd51af1d9919dce3d58354f2f56bffdf01cd68b687899bc5a&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=1210&height=726

[charred jetty]

are you using this?

[oak stirrup]

Losing kekruna and dopeys starting to sting

[olive jewel]

you admit to liking the dopeys!

[cinder flax]

Something like that
Mira lyca Ivan nara eithara

[charred jetty]

ok. Do you have atheus?

can you also post your roster?

[oak stirrup]

I've always been fond of them, I just like adding extras for the other end like :DopeyAsFood:

[cinder flax]

Just one copy of atheus

[charred jetty]

as well as what exactly you need help with

[charred jetty]

E is enough

[cinder flax]

Mostly for the wish list

[charred jetty]

you should be able to push to ch31 on day 1 now

[olive jewel]

really?

[oak stirrup]

Fuck, have to see this window yet again, companions is disgusting

[river shuttle]

I used atheus lyca elthara mira ivan to auto ch28-31 w lvl 140 heroes

[olive jewel]

I get Elthara is busted but can you even get her day 1?

[river shuttle]

Yes

[olive jewel]

how do you get to 16 and get that many DI? this game is nuts

[cinder flax]

Which beast?

[river shuttle]

With hb release you can otherwise no

[olive jewel]

well I guess there is a gift of DI event

[river shuttle]

Lvl 6 seal

[cinder flax]

I haven't had any luck with beasts.

[olive jewel]

even then, getting to 16 seems hard

[river shuttle]

Takes about 2h

[olive jewel]

[charred jetty]

ooh you got a copy of oddy too, is he good in early camp?

dang I should have tested that... is the event still going?

[river shuttle]

Hes not

[charred jetty]

oh

nvm then

[charred jetty]

it's okay, don't worry about pets until like deeper into multis

[cinder flax]

Does it work at the beginning?

[charred jetty]

just dreary carry'

[river shuttle]

Hes worse then single copy wokes

[charred jetty]

ah ok

[tepid raft]

Oh damn

[river shuttle]

I dont think hes better than like idk haelia one copy

[oak stirrup]

@olive jewel

[olive jewel]

[oak stirrup]

Dopey for soup

[olive jewel]

oh yeah I was waiting for KT comps

[charred jetty]

uh I don't mean like they should gaze a copy, more just should they use him if they randomly got a copy

yeah just use =earlycamp

[gilded sapphire]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/565578751715573770/1470865676133466318/EarlyGameCampGuide.png?ex=698cd9e8&is=698b8868&hm=8b645e46d785bb2fd51af1d9919dce3d58354f2f56bffdf01cd68b687899bc5a&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=1210&height=726

[charred jetty]

make sure your ivan latches onto your elthara

ivan targets highest atk

so just make sure elthara has highest atk

[cinder flax]

Regarding the wish list, has the priority changed at all?

[oak stirrup]

Man what is this rubbish assortment of 'friends', time to purge

[charred jetty]

if that means stripping your other heroes of weapon/other gear and collection, do it

[olive jewel]

pls not me

[charred jetty]

uh icariel is probably pretty good and up there, not sure where though

[torpid sand]

:DopeyBurger:

[olive jewel]

Did that Suavere KT guide ever go up somewhere?

[charred jetty]

theres' been like no testing since she just came out

[charred jetty]

um...

=kt

[olive jewel]

not you

[charred jetty]

=wishlist

[gilded sapphire]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1191599620367851621/1420745309742694470/AFK_Arena_-_Tavern_Wishlist.jpg?ex=68d683ae&is=68d5322e&hm=e11dcad0d37947c073c3f7d68589935853106b8083e78c52394e1b9ec3baa930&

[charred jetty]

rosa instead of addy

addy not needed anymore

[cinder flax]

Thank you very much ^^

[charred jetty]

everthing else looks good, well actually simona is like actual trash tier now

but idk if there's a better gb to replace her with

you could try the new dude, but he was pretty mid overall

[olive jewel]

rosa already there

[charred jetty]

so mid I don't even remember his name

[oak stirrup]

Simona is not trash tier though, she still does damage and supply energy - for tower

[olive jewel]

Lethos

[charred jetty]

oh for vampi's WL

[charred jetty]

yeah that's it, ty

[olive jewel]

oh

[charred jetty]

the other nuclear change I want to push is drop jerome

reason being jerome is the best swap target for eorin

[olive jewel]

bud what

oh

[cinder flax]

Jerome?

[charred jetty]

because you want eorin +30 for the 10k diamonds

[olive jewel]

I was about to have JD removed from his position

[charred jetty]

but then you need to make sure whoever you swap with can make good use of that +30

and not just swap to someone random

so either we drop jerome, or we drop tamrus

=siprio

[gilded sapphire]

Signature Item Prio Guide:

https://discord.com/channels/441477431501783060/1008942630199107654

[cinder flax]

Ah, I thought about removing it haha, yes, that's the idea, to change it to the o gorok

[charred jetty]

=guide

[gilded sapphire]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1191599454843834451/1461972574144565414/image.png?ex=696c7f8f&is=696b2e0f&hm=0ac0b8d693c032d1b9530408ce9066f235e2e769af31a5a79d5645e506d9a1e8&

[charred jetty]

this is a good example of what would not be a good idea actually

gorok doesn't need +30

so if you swap eorin to gorok, you have essentially wasted a +30

[olive jewel]

Would have to make it very clear to new players that was the plan. And would have to get them to get one Jerome

[charred jetty]

jerome is best, tamrus 2nd best

but tamrus should only get +30 after 9f

[charred jetty]

yeah for sure

I'm just going to push for changes 1 at a time though

[molten canopy]

What you talking about Willis

[charred jetty]

woke prio first

then the jerome thing

[molten canopy]

https://tenor.com/view/whatchu-talkin-about-willis-arnold-jackson-diffrent-strokes-what-are-you-trying-to-say-willis-what-is-that-willis-gif-26301765

[charred jetty]

then maybe delay seal 18 until after IC 12 and other breakpoints

[cinder flax]

How many pieces of furniture does Jerome need?

[olive jewel]

Adrian is pretty dead in meta

[charred jetty]

9

[olive jewel]

and VERY expernsive to build for what he is

[charred jetty]

=furn

[gilded sapphire]

https://discord.com/channels/441477431501783060/994911949525614644

[charred jetty]

like he's this high on the list lol

[molten canopy]

Rose is legitimmy one hero they will probably never make awoken if they keep to their promise about not making meta heroes awoken

[torpid sand]

he was dead 2 years ago

[tepid raft]

Thought eironn fully built would be better than non sig 40 sion......rip

[olive jewel]

he was NC meta

[cinder zealot]

Damn that wilder is meta after all

[charred jetty]

why did you build wei...

bruh

[torpid sand]

iirc he was a sub

not bis

[cinder zealot]

I quit pretty much when she came out

[olive jewel]

he was NC meta quite recently

[tepid raft]

He was built long ago

[charred jetty]

gorok?

beetle dude

[cinder zealot]

The female?

[charred jetty]

oh what

oh misha?

[olive jewel]

MIsha the snail?

[cinder zealot]

Yea snail

[olive jewel]

she is maybe the best 4f

[charred jetty]

what the heck that was so long ago

[molten canopy]

The beetle isn't the dude

[cinder zealot]

Yea I quit the month she came out

Does anyone have my friend ID I'm curious what ch my acc is and ranking etc

[charred jetty]

she's one of the heroes that's so meta people make a 5M coll specifically for her

[cinder zealot]

Damn when she came out she was looked at as niche

[olive jewel]

Where do I use Elth in KT?

[charred jetty]

ashem envy

1 second

[cinder zealot]

Funny

[olive jewel]

What was your ign?

[molten canopy]

You quit when who came out

[olive jewel]

Misha

[cinder zealot]

It's been changed I think

[charred jetty]

oh this is outdated comps

eh just use the set I made for gankpeter

nope nvm

ok anyways for KT I recommend wei burst, ashem envy elth, alna daemia askri

this comp

oh that reminds me, let me test something, brb

[cinder zealot]

Is that a woke athallia skin!?

Or base

[olive jewel]

where?

which team

[cinder zealot]

2

[olive jewel]

athalia isnt there

Woke Estrilda?

[cinder zealot]

Oh that's woke est

[cinder zealot]

Yo she bad ass

[olive jewel]

[cinder zealot]

What other wokes came out show me

Pippa yet? Oden yet?

[charred jetty]

wonderful

it works

lets frickin go

[oak stirrup]

U in another account now?

[charred jetty]

uh no just found a new uber stable KT comp

beats Tasi, which basically counters just about everything

[molten canopy]

Does anybody know when they're going to bring SZ back

[charred jetty]

the only weakpoint of wei specter burst was that wei can randomly die early if the positioning is poor, or of enemies have some unburstable hero like tasi

[olive jewel]

treat?

[charred jetty]

it's a very fun and strong comp, but not great for auto because you have to keep changing position (not comp, just swap pos 1/2)

but with saitama, he solves the survivability and glass cannon problem without the downside of alna passive haste debuff

which makes him the perfect teammate, replacing ivan (who was also there just to reduce RNG)

[charred jetty]

ye

[olive jewel]

What pet for Shem Envy? And who else, Hildwin WEst or something?

[river shuttle]

No

[charred jetty]

idk who to use for the ashem envy lol

oh ye hild, I remember

[molten canopy]

@cinder zealot do you know about dragons on the game

[cinder zealot]

Yes I had all of the ones up to Misha release

[cinder zealot]

O shi woke Fawkes looks cool

[olive jewel]

[cinder zealot]

Aye my goat

[river shuttle]

He’s strong

[cinder zealot]

The woke designs are fire

[molten canopy]

Yeah he is the second LB to change his faction

[charred jetty]

this is just one variation, I haven't tested all of them, but I usually like running fox with ashem because fox is better at dealing with extrmely cancerous enemies like eluard, tasi, simona etc.

[olive jewel]

fox, interesting

[charred jetty]

3rd

wait no nvm

[cinder zealot]

Who else?

[river shuttle]

@charred jetty i just safed 100 sgs on my small acc

[charred jetty]

[molten canopy]

Gwyneth

[cinder zealot]

Oh right dragon

[charred jetty]

he's also broken as heck

[molten canopy]

Who was you thinking was the third you're kind of right but she didn't have a basic character on The game

[river shuttle]

I randomly got 4x mezoth so i gritted for my knox hehe

[charred jetty]

4 mezoth? what the heck

[river shuttle]

I only had one knox

[charred jetty]

wait 4x is like 120 cards saved

[river shuttle]

Well its 3 extra copies yea

[molten canopy]

Maetria changed her faction but she wasn't a LB she was a Wilder but she didn't have a basic collectible character

[olive jewel]

does this need book on Dae?

[molten canopy]

@charred jetty and I have a feeling that Raine might become an awoken GB this year

@cinder zealot oh yeah I forgot to tell you Raine is dead that's why Fawkes became awoken GB

[charred jetty]

no, but you should use it anyways

[river shuttle]

Maybe they should switch it up and make an gb reborn as woke in another faction

[cinder zealot]

Yes more faction buffs

[molten canopy]

I think the only faction they could go to is hypo

[charred jetty]

the lore of the gen 4 wokes is actually pretty cool

[molten canopy]

I mean they are already zombies so they could become a demon

[charred jetty]

they're not just randomly changing factions lol

the lore makes sense

[molten canopy]

@river shuttle I know what they need to do they need to make Isabella a hypo

[charred jetty]

i think they do lore first, then make the hero design based on the lore

[olive jewel]

Are Zohra and Envy involved in the timeline stuff or separate?

[charred jetty]

zohra and envy aren't

[olive jewel]

just the 4fs

[charred jetty]

idk why they are doing awakened heroes that don't have non-awakened versions

I don't really like that

[olive jewel]

zohra is a grey area

[river shuttle]

Maybe they get standart versions at some point

[charred jetty]

yeah zohra is basically awakened morael lol

idk why they didn't just make her awakened morael

[olive jewel]

Shes a fusion of Moreal and Audrae

[molten canopy]

There are 5 awoken heroes that don't have a basic form

[muted trench]

Any comp for this boss? This comp does 15B

[molten canopy]

Gavus, Zohra, Maetria, Eugene, Envydiel

They need to turn Saurus into a awoken dragon

I mean come on he's literally a dragon he should have been the first dragonborn

[vivid wolf]

thats full rewards

[molten canopy]

I have another weird idea they could do revisit the slime collab & make Milim as the third dimensional but has a little twist with her make it where she's a dragonborn as well

[muted trench]

Ye i just want to get into the ranking

[vivid wolf]

lmao who gonna give ranking comp to public

1st is still 19.59b ?

[muted trench]

I managed to get 18.6 but couldnt do more

[vivid wolf]

[vivid wolf]

the macro is stonks

i use my thumbs

[muted trench]

do we get something from this ranking?

[vivid wolf]

just bragging rights

[tepid totem]

no

[muted trench]

[molten canopy]

Make it where she is a Draconis/Dimensional that way she can do DT

Make it where she could only be linked to a Draconis

But I know they would never do that because that would make people on companions mad because they don't want the dragon faction to come there

[vivid wolf]

new rank1

20b incoming

[charred jetty]

dude

who came up with this shield simona floor

[muted trench]

19.880 damn

[charred jetty]

I'm clearly trying to demonstrate that my comp is stable here

[vivid wolf]

my comp is stable, avg 19b

[charred jetty]

dude simona is so OP

[vivid wolf]

doesnt work on marsha

[solar fractal]

@drifting hemlock

[charred jetty]

@olive jewel replace rem with jerome cover +1

does more damage, counters cancerous simona stages

[muted trench]

mine is cooked 18.6 all the time..

[olive jewel]

It was probably the worst team

[charred jetty]

wait this sai wei comp is actually so broken

what the heck even is this

[olive jewel]

good to see there is improvement

[muted trench]

20 when

[vivid wolf]

bernouli just did it

[charred jetty]

another thing tok try is IC instead of chest

[vivid wolf]

she's using same comp as me

[charred jetty]

because askri has natural burst immunity

or who else gives cheat death, let me see

lowkey maybe talis

nope not talis

oh that's why

myu changed daemia boots

I was wondering why my dae was so slow and doesn't dodge

[olive jewel]

Whatever happend to Selene?

thought she was really good in camp/tower

[muted trench]

ggs

[charred jetty]

bernouli is myu right

hmm chest still seems to be the best...

[tepid totem]

wow

[charred jetty]

yeah I'll see what I can do stabilize that comp further

[molten canopy]

It's actually a very sad story look up Latin singer name Selene

[primal burrow]

question whats a good collection for randle?

[vivid wolf]

[charred jetty]

I use bert cycle in camp, but in KT there aren't enough comps to need her I think...

[olive jewel]

for what?

[molten canopy]

https://tenor.com/view/sing-singer-perform-passionate-singing-sing-your-heart-out-gif-15610463

[charred jetty]

she might be better than jerome/rem in that comp

but everything is super situational

just depends on the matchup

[olive jewel]

which comp for flora

[charred jetty]

which is kinda annoyingh

[vivid wolf]

yup yup

[charred jetty]

first 2 should both be fine

abel in askri also fine

just brute force it

[olive jewel]

aw hecc, Thali

my mortal enemy

[muted trench]

Looking for 3 KT teams any suggestions?

[primal burrow]

twisted realm

[charred jetty]

ok trishea + very inconvient positioning stops sai + wei specter burst