classic-questions

[barren fjord]

guys are my ts teams rlly that bad

im insecure now

[cobalt abyss]

you tried your best with the small box you have

[grim hamlet]

I mean I don't think any of us can tell you that lol

[barren fjord]

YEAH!

[grim hamlet]

legit

[barren fjord]

i hate having a small box man, ts is such a pain in the ass

[grim hamlet]

like if those are your teams your so far removed from what we see in TS its impossible to evaluate really

[hybrid breach]

most of us are quite far removed from the first couple months of early game ts

[barren fjord]

i miss being top50 in my region every time

[grim hamlet]

just see what your rank and winrates are and adjust accordingly

[hybrid breach]

time to pick up a big acc and skip early/mid game

[barren fjord]

sigh time to go ask moomin

[hybrid breach]

moomin evil

they keep trying to give me depression

[barren fjord]

lore drop

wait i can give you happiness

[cobalt abyss]

too evil they keeps trying to give others depression

[barren fjord]

im so mad i spent 250k diamonds on fucking 4f

[hybrid breach]

next weekend will be happy weekend

[cobalt abyss]

YEAHH!!

[barren fjord]

im gonna buy ARs and wallow while pulling dracolites

[hybrid breach]

https://tenor.com/view/ponyo-gif-4743406

[cobalt abyss]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/677979578425147412/1474037037634945064/image0.gif

[barren fjord]

yall think i should get my elthara to M

[wispy ridge]

just unlocked both stargazing and temple of time. got liberta, should i keep pulling to asc?
plus, do i go for ashem or aenvy in the time pulls

[barren fjord]

get knox first not liberta

[wispy ridge]

oh dang

[hybrid breach]

=sgprio

[barren fjord]

its fine, not that big of a deal

[gilded sapphire]

Stargazing Priorities:

#994913771598389318 message

[zenith osprey]

what hero should i choose from here?

[hybrid breach]

uh for wokes

[hybrid breach]

=returning

[gilded sapphire]

https://discord.com/channels/441477431501783060/1098437930919395388

[hybrid breach]

for wokes wait a day or two

[zenith osprey]

??

[hybrid breach]

these CS be indecisive on the new prio

[hybrid breach]

=unknown

[gilded sapphire]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/618027271906918400/1385698318281084978/image.png?ex=685703a0&is=6855b220&hm=56191670fecd96193ba2082a3d867f62786b0a45a5c2a31f98eb91ec7aeed231&=&format=webp&quality=lossless

[zenith osprey]

i just dont understand the point of going to returning channel

[hybrid breach]

bc youre a returning player from the looks of it bud

[zenith osprey]

yeah

but the channel doesnt answer my question

[hybrid breach]

they all suck it doesnt matter, youre better off restarting on newest server

[zenith osprey]

i dont wanna restart

[hybrid breach]

then pick who you think looks the coolest

[wispy ridge]

is there a command for the temple

[hybrid breach]

there is but theyre currently deciding a new prio so its liable to change

[wispy ridge]

oohh okay ty goat

[hybrid breach]

which is why i didnt link it

[wispy ridge]

i'll just get ashem if my account ends up bricked it's all your fault /j

[hybrid breach]

i think ashem is one of the ppl theyre thinking of moving

[cobalt abyss]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/677979578425147412/1474039146870870016/image0.gif

[hybrid breach]

so id probably just hold TE for another day or so

[wispy ridge]

yeah im in no rush

[hybrid breach]

you can bully @charred jetty if theyre slow on it

[cobalt abyss]

it’s best to save for now yeah

[wispy ridge]

also is rem still big priority or is randle actually that better
i'm using her but i got e+ randle

[hybrid breach]

randle better

and elth better than randle

[dim socket]

what are the best ones?

[hybrid breach]

=earlycamp

[gilded sapphire]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/565578751715573770/1470865676133466318/EarlyGameCampGuide.png?ex=698cd9e8&is=698b8868&hm=8b645e46d785bb2fd51af1d9919dce3d58354f2f56bffdf01cd68b687899bc5a&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=1210&height=726

[hybrid breach]

=colls

[gilded sapphire]

https://discord.com/channels/441477431501783060/1175839613701603329

[barren fjord]

dubbsy working overtime

[hybrid breach]

im really good at spamming commands

[wispy ridge]

how things change huh

[wispy ridge]

yeah they helped me when i first got here and they're still helping LMAO i remember them

[hybrid breach]

[wispy ridge]

luckiest man alive

in 40 pulls

[barren fjord]

nicesu

[barren fjord]

man they been here since i used to play 2 years ago

i think we r close in age too

@hybrid breach how old are u gang

[hybrid breach]

24

[barren fjord]

oh never mind im 19

dude i swear to fucking god i need to be put down, i just tried to get knox to si40, and i used the wrong fucking red/white ratio

so now i just have a si39 knox, and am missing 50 whites 😭😭

i wish i like read sometimes, would save me so much pain

[winter halo]

OK child

[wraith fjord]

Let’s play a game
Making clips tower teams

[barren fjord]

got there in the end ig

[charred jetty]

Yeah this time I did

[hybrid breach]

useless CS

[winter halo]

Says you

[hybrid breach]

i do more CS than you and i dont even play anymore

[winter halo]

Ruining accounts doesn't count as cs work

[charred jetty]

Someone overrode my TS comps

[hybrid breach]

saving accs you mean

[winter halo]

It was me

I still have your login details

[hybrid breach]

i went in after and fixed nerds ts comps

[charred jetty]

I actually don’t doubt this

[winter halo]

"fixed"

[charred jetty]

Ok I hope I hold top 100

[winter halo]

You probably put in Ulmus cycle or something

[signal vortex]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-run-cat-hit-dumb-cat-small-cat-cat-pain-gif-5201429184094247707

[charred jetty]

I remember when cycle was an archetype in TS

[hybrid breach]

bud thinks im old enough to know what ulmus cycle is

[charred jetty]

It’s not a thing

[signal vortex]

Ulmus and twins

[hybrid breach]

https://tenor.com/view/c-cat-gif-11232393452729683104

[charred jetty]

It’s one of those nerds comps

[winter halo]

?????

[signal vortex]

Super OP alongside walker 5 pull

[winter halo]

My comps are actually good

Unlike yours

[charred jetty]

My comps are the best

[signal vortex]

https://tenor.com/view/hanna-ball-kitten-soft-fluffy-kitty-cat-paws-gif-2803341425267067710

[signal vortex]

Name 1 comp

[hybrid breach]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-cat-chicken-chicken-cat-chicken-suit-stare-gif-7069989637244858847

[charred jetty]

Ok now the whole gang is here

[charred jetty]

Wukong 5 pull

[olive jewel]

Oh you like AFK Arena? Name every comp

[signal vortex]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-silly-pet-wacky-gif-5926553

[charred jetty]

[olive jewel]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-gif-27687032

[winter halo]

[hybrid breach]

https://tenor.com/view/laser-pointer-cat-prank-cat-fail-pet-fail-failarmy-gif-16882827

[signal vortex]

This comp, that comp, the other comp, uhhhhhhh.....

[charred jetty]

Ok now the whole gang is here, let’s have a discussion about two things

[olive jewel]

this better not be about catposts

[hybrid breach]

atal, wutus, swolise top3

done

[winter halo]

No one ran Orthros in Gwyn comp

[charred jetty]

1. How does Fawkes > Envy > Westy > Ashem > Zohra > Askri > save hoard sound?

[signal vortex]

https://tenor.com/view/kitten-belly-scratch-kitten-cat-belly-scritch-gif-6604379819514176454

[charred jetty]

Or heck even drop ashem below zohra

Sounds criminal, but here’s my justification

[winter halo]

There is no way he was good enough to omit Arthirb

[charred jetty]

There’s literally no one good to slot ashem with in TS since new players don’t have SJW

[winter halo]

Where is Aezizh

[charred jetty]

I guess you could argue Sion

[winter halo]

[hybrid breach]

5th after wanta

[charred jetty]

But then what does Alna do

[olive jewel]

"Woke prio: Fawkes -> Envydiel -> Estrilda -> Shemira -> Thoran -> Zohra" Is what I had in guide review ~3 weeks ago

[charred jetty]

Thoran 5th?

[hybrid breach]

in this scenario lowkey whoran > ashem

[olive jewel]

I mean he was 4th recently

[charred jetty]

Wait why thoran

[olive jewel]

Used in all modes

[signal vortex]

In new regions the progression of ashem is, solo carry, dae support is enough, you get sion and it really goes brrrr for a really long time

[olive jewel]

I think Shem is better than we are giving her credit for. Think she is still 4th

[charred jetty]

You mean TS right?

[signal vortex]

yea

[cobalt abyss]

if a new player managed to get saitama it’s honestly not a bad idea to start envy first

[winter halo]

[charred jetty]

Oh yeah forgot about dae

Ok yeah let’s just keep her 4th

Oh but I’m also assuming people have sai

If they don’t have sai we have a bit of a problem

[olive jewel]

yeah hard to say

[charred jetty]

Smh all our guides have to ve like if you X, do Y

[harsh acorn]

[olive jewel]

its so hard to do this when some accounts will just never have a certain hero

[charred jetty]

If you have SJW, ashem should be honestly like first or second

[hybrid breach]

sjw is so old youre already past first and second woke atp tho

[charred jetty]

I don’t think envy comp is actually better than ashem SJW in TS

[signal vortex]

have the devs ever made a statement regarding dims being added to garrison?

Why did they stop doing it?

[charred jetty]

And in camp you can’t use envy without ashem or Alna or sai

[harsh acorn]

nope. not yet.

[olive jewel]

What Envy comp? Early on probably you're right

[charred jetty]

Oh ok that’s a good point

[cobalt abyss]

oh. This is a bit difficult lmao then because it is uncertain whether or not they will be added to the garrison its best if the guide is made with no dims since the solo collab in mind imo

[charred jetty]

Like any

[winter halo]

[charred jetty]

That doesn’t have like velu and westy built

[harsh acorn]

finally level 37. 41 takes forever

[hybrid breach]

and all the sai havers should be working on their second wokes now too

[charred jetty]

Ok

[olive jewel]

Really?

[winter halo]

Issue of skill

[harsh acorn]

[hybrid breach]

it takes ~1month for first woke

[charred jetty]

So we have 3 bins now - has SJW, has Sai, doesn’t have Jack

Or should we just bin SJW with sai havers?

Nah I don’t think

[cobalt abyss]

i don’t think so no

[charred jetty]

No SJW means ashem is like probably 5th yeah

[winter halo]

Should've been here when taverns gave xp

[autumn gull]

sait should go envy first imo, sjw goes ashem

[cobalt abyss]

I agree with this

[hybrid breach]

big yap

[olive jewel]

@winter halo

[autumn gull]

and id always say envy first or second

[winter halo]

Every single message I send holds more value than your entire chat history

[olive jewel]

how do you respond to the yapper allegations @winter halo

[hybrid breach]

[olive jewel]

Still the best hero in the game, so I def agree

I can't wait until we get a gen 5 celestial in a month that ruins all of this

[torpid seal]

Sait go envy, sjw go ashem, if none go afawkes? Sounds good?

[autumn gull]

idk if fawkes envy as first wokes gets you that far

[hybrid breach]

all those msgs and ppl still ask for me more

[charred jetty]

Envy first?

Oh yo that’s actually not a bad idea

[autumn gull]

because who protects them at that point

[charred jetty]

[torpid seal]

No I mean envy first if yes sait

[cobalt abyss]

and then me and you have to skip pippa for said celestial

[harsh acorn]

I think fawkes first is still not bad for campaign. probably better than envy first even with saitama

[charred jetty]

Uh no no no envy can’t be first if no sai

[hybrid breach]

[autumn gull]

but not needed either tbh

[torpid seal]

Edited sry

[winter halo]

Clearly everyone you talk to is a masochist

[charred jetty]

Yeah

[winter halo]

[torpid seal]

That’s what imma do on alt since I don’t have sjw or sait

[charred jetty]

Lowkey sai changes everything

What is going on with this game

[olive jewel]

I have under 50k messages. The anti yapper is here

[charred jetty]

[cobalt abyss]

because we love dubbih

[charred jetty]

Uh btw here’s my new midgame multi comp proposal

[winter halo]

Just sounds like bad cs to me

[autumn gull]

it’s already too late too, all the sait havers already started their wokes 😭

[hybrid breach]

its ok if youre not up with the times bud

[cobalt abyss]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/677979578425147412/1475903565179518986/image0.gif

[cobalt abyss]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/677979578425147412/1474033487936749700/image0.gif

[olive jewel]

@winter halo How do you respond to the allegations that nobody asked, bud?

[charred jetty]

I autoed with this basically from ch53 to 59 in a single sitting

Had to change comp order like 2-3 times

[winter halo]

Allegations from an irrelevant source

[charred jetty]

Uh my question is

Do people who have Fawkes still need whoran?

[harsh acorn]

im banishing you all back to the other chat. otherwise help decide woke prio

[hybrid breach]

double stall? fawkes elth + whoran seal

[autumn gull]

that t5 is pretty crackly i like it

[charred jetty]

Maybe yeah

[cobalt abyss]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/677979578425147412/1475636796405715127/image0.gif

[olive jewel]

Yes. I know we are allergic to thinking past TS rn but Thoran is NC and CR meta

[charred jetty]

That’s the other point I wanted to discuss 2. Removing seal 18 from pet prio altogether

[autumn gull]

yes, but i don’t think anyone starting now will ever pull him lmao

[olive jewel]

Once we are talking about 5th woke that's worth thinking about

[charred jetty]

But if double stall we would want to keep seal maybe

[winter halo]

Gave my opinion already

[hybrid breach]

it could be delayed tho instead of the first rushed 18 pet

[autumn gull]

seal is so needed, if not only for tower ngl

[hybrid breach]

you could go like treat18 first instead

[charred jetty]

Yeah

Or what I was suggesting yesterday, don’t rush 18 first

Get all the middle checkpoints

[autumn gull]

as in, reso 12?

[charred jetty]

Panda 9, ic 12, specter 9, owl 12

[hybrid breach]

18 treat is to the new meta what seal was to old no? just enables a cheap and easy comp?

[charred jetty]

Idk what the breakpoints are you guys know lol

[hybrid breach]

also panda useless before 12

[autumn gull]

panda 12

[charred jetty]

What does specter enable again

[charred jetty]

Oh ok

[hybrid breach]

cheat death(s)

[charred jetty]

I was thinking panda 6 for Fawkes in TS

Only point of it is just shield Fawkes and elthara does environment damage

[autumn gull]

but what comp will it enable early on? it needs a good dps to give cheat deaths to, and early on any dps is already a cheap comp

[charred jetty]

That’s also why I wanted to drop seal, because modern stall seal 18 doesn’t actually do much

[hybrid breach]

envy

[charred jetty]

I think panda would actually be better

[hybrid breach]

the squishy man he is

[autumn gull]

i went those two 18 first, and i can absolutely confirm that panda isn’t that good early

[charred jetty]

In stall with Fawkes elthara?

[autumn gull]

treat is huge all the way from level 3 through to 18 when starting out, so can agree on that

[charred jetty]

Oh j mean like lv 6 panda

Not lv18 panda

[autumn gull]

needs 12 to give crit which is the idea

or do you mean for the cover?

[charred jetty]

Yeah just for the cheap cover

[autumn gull]

could be decent

[charred jetty]

Because Fawkes doesn’t actually use crit afaik

[autumn gull]

i don’t understand talis early ngl, he sucks. swap him for panda 6

[charred jetty]

Ok I’m cooked guys

Who overrode my teams

[charred jetty]

He was there because of the dodge thing

[torpid seal]

metoo half the time i use him it feels placebo

[charred jetty]

But that’s actually just lv3 i think

[autumn gull]

lemme check

[torpid seal]

yeah lvl3

[charred jetty]

What does lv6 do again

Is it the fear gb and hypo

[autumn gull]

lvl0 even

[charred jetty]

Honestly all pets suck before reso 9

[autumn gull]

it’s good i guess, but not better than panda cover could be

[torpid seal]

lvl3 ghost > everything before reso12

[charred jetty]

I feel like legit some of them are so bad I’d rather use the blue pets

[charred jetty]

Ye

[torpid seal]

the dreary ball lowkey carrys sometimes early

[charred jetty]

I think if they do Fawkes first, panda 6 is a must

[charred jetty]

Oh I meant more for just stat boost

[autumn gull]

after treat and owl fs

i think seal is just too huge to not use, it’s a whole extra cheap TS team that does incredibly well early on

[charred jetty]

Wait so what’s the consensus now, envy > Fawkes > westy > ashem > thoran > zohra?

[autumn gull]

not thoran not thoran

[barren fjord]

what?

[charred jetty]

Doing a major overhaul of woke order in light of recent releases lol

[autumn gull]

the first 4 i’d agree, swap to fawkes first if no sait

[charred jetty]

Oh ok drop thoran, shift zohra up and askri 6th?

[hybrid breach]

sai is unobtainable now and all those with him have their first woke done or are mostly thru said woke, why make the guide like this when it will almost immediatlly need to be changed

[autumn gull]

no 6th, new releases will be better

just the first 4

[charred jetty]

Oh yeah sorry forgot to clarify that it’s for people with sai

No sai we do same as my previous proposal

Fawkes > envy > westy > ashem > zohra > askri

[gloomy orbit]

=furn

[gilded sapphire]

https://discord.com/channels/441477431501783060/994911949525614644

[hybrid breach]

why bother with that for sai when theyve already started on ashem if not already finished?

[charred jetty]

Good point

Uh what if they have 4 wokes built though

[charred jetty]

People with sai only have like 2 wokes

[autumn gull]

personal choice between pippa/zohra mostly

i wouldn’t really put skriath at the same spot

[charred jetty]

I think zohra is better

[hybrid breach]

basically the only difference is swapping the first two wokes tho thats what im saying

[charred jetty]

Just makes a new team as opposed to strengthen

[autumn gull]

id agree, but if you’re already t100 TS at that point

[charred jetty]

True

[charred jetty]

Just maintain though

[barren fjord]

should do a new celepog order, veithal first

[hybrid breach]

just add a note somewhere that if you have sai make sure to get envy regardless of where youre at in the prio

[charred jetty]

Like building for Nc early is so bad that I think legit hoarding cards is better than building Nc specific wokes

[cobalt abyss]

I feel like we’ve had this convo many times in the past couple of weeks but have yet to come to a conclusion

[autumn gull]

true, i wouldn’t mind zohra 5th but i don’t think skriath should be on that list since it’s mostly CR and new players can’t come close to do any CR at that point

[charred jetty]

Good idea

[hybrid breach]

i dont play anymore, lets blame @charred jetty

[charred jetty]

Yeah let’s do that

[cobalt abyss]

i agree

[hybrid breach]

[charred jetty]

[autumn gull]

make sure to add a note about how you need a certain number of wokes to achieve t100 TS anyways, so order doesn’t matter as much as people say

[cobalt abyss]

which reminds me…jd has been the biggest advocate for fawkes #1 for a while now loll

[autumn gull]

so all the people that have half-built ashem don’t freak out and start crying in main chat

[cobalt abyss]

Since release

[hybrid breach]

might actually come to fruition

[cobalt abyss]

yeah

[autumn gull]

now that i’m thinking about it

for accounts with sait and without sjw ashem is actually pretty bad

[olive jewel]

I blame Alpa, personally

[autumn gull]

no real need for her in TS, no use in NC, and you already have a better GB tower/camp woke in fawk

[cobalt abyss]

never knew the guy but i blame alpa and jd

[barren fjord]

so like why couldnt yall say all this before i maxed ashem

[autumn gull]

she’s still very strong

[olive jewel]

You're fine

[torpid seal]

yeah thats how i feel rn for my acc 🥀

[olive jewel]

she's good

[barren fjord]

i know im just talking to talk

[torpid seal]

still going to be needed tho so its fine

[autumn gull]

like i said, order doesn’t matter much at all. you will get t100 TS at like 3-4 wokes built, which will include ashem anyways

other than rank rewards, you lose out on nothing

[barren fjord]

so after envy, do i jus go fawkes

[autumn gull]

it’s a tossup, west is also really really good

[uneven veldt]

what happened to thoran he was like meta before now zohra overtakes him?

[barren fjord]

doesnt west need si40?

[charred jetty]

I mean up until Fawkes release there has never been a shadow of dovut of her being best fist woke lol

It’s not like she got nerfed

She’s still just as strong

[olive jewel]

he's just worse in TS if you already have Fawkes. The other modes arent as big a concern yet

[charred jetty]

There’s just theoretically more optimal paths now

[autumn gull]

only a sub in NC, no longer meta, and fawkes is the better him in TS/camp/tower/CR

[barren fjord]

@cobalt abyss how has the selene testing gone

[charred jetty]

What if they split Fawkes and whoran seal though

[barren fjord]

w the going early selene

[charred jetty]

Thoran seal 18 is still like 50% wr according to casual

For top 20 players in r54

[cobalt abyss]

haven’t checked with the guildie but he’s almost t100

[barren fjord]

whats his rc

[torpid seal]

aestrila

[charred jetty]

No do Fawkes first

Westy is primarily an envy booster

[autumn gull]

seal is fine without him imo

[charred jetty]

Fawkes elthara is a comp

[torpid seal]

oh fr? so i should go for fawkes after envy? dont got sjw and i have ashem and envy built now

[charred jetty]

But who else can stall?

[autumn gull]

knox?

[charred jetty]

Ig Alvida

Oh ye

[cobalt abyss]

not sure tbh

[charred jetty]

[uneven veldt]

alvida si 40 req now?

[charred jetty]

Yeah ok bye thoran

[uneven veldt]

[charred jetty]

Well if it means saving an entire woke I’m down

[autumn gull]

knox, mira, elth, L whoran, talene, flora, new rat girl even

[charred jetty]

That’s right

Icariel

[barren fjord]

new rat girl is an si40 char no?

like w/o dosnt she kinda take a while to ramp up

[autumn gull]

at no invest she’s similar to E flora for me

[charred jetty]

Wow the game changed so much in the last 3 months

[barren fjord]

power creep

[autumn gull]

alvi si40 is a stupid but incredibly strong TS only invest

[charred jetty]

I feel like changed more than it do for the rest of the year

[uneven veldt]

ik im wondering what to do with my M Athoran at si40

[charred jetty]

[cobalt abyss]

But it’s never been this huge iirc

No garrison really shifted things

[barren fjord]

alright im boutta make a new f2p account, go early fawkes and see how it goes

[autumn gull]

it’s stupid because you can get t100 without it, but it’s very very good

[hybrid breach]

i got out at the perfect time

[barren fjord]

so without saitama, yall would recommend early fawkes?

[torpid seal]

yes

[uneven veldt]

fawk op, i went for him first

that was when fawk just released

[cobalt abyss]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/677979578425147412/1474037037634945064/image0.gif

[autumn gull]

envy is the best woke, you just don’t have the capacity to support him first (unless saitama)

[hybrid breach]

[autumn gull]

fawkes is really good early game and stays strong

[hybrid breach]

5/6 CR not even that good

[uneven veldt]

alna where

[autumn gull]

tbh he can get binned atp

[autumn gull]

ain’t no one getting alna before second woke

[uneven veldt]

she is in shop so

[barren fjord]

yeah u cant get alna A before ur second woke gang

from shop at least, and going alna first might be

[torpid seal]

still takes hella coins and unless u start sg for her first, by time u get envy she will prob be A

[barren fjord]

and then u gotta get her si30 9f🫩

also alna can be used elsewhere if u have sait

[uneven veldt]

saitama is what

30330?

[barren fjord]

20030 honestly works well

[crystal yarrow]

Works at 20030 but is better at 30930

[barren fjord]

compared to alna needing her 309

[charred jetty]

you don't need alna/ashem for envy in TS

for the longest time people just ran shuna misha + buffers

TS isn't that bursty

but the problem is as first woke, you don't have enough of a team built out otherwise

[uneven veldt]

fawk also almost solos

[charred jetty]

so you get cooked in campaign progress (aka rip MV) + you have very unbalanced TS teams

[uneven veldt]

in campaign

[charred jetty]

The new comp set I tried on gankpeter's account

[autumn gull]

@charred jetty id say fawk > envy > west > ashem > zohra, with sidenote that pippa is strong now but needs time to find her place, thoran/asaf/watha/skriath are all very sensitive to meta changes with new NC bosses or mostly CR which is for later. can have a comment saying envy first for sait havers is good, and for people that went ashem/envy first they should get fawkes > west next.

[charred jetty]

I'm pretty sure fawkes basically solos until ch70

as opposed to knox who only solos up to like ch40

and I did it with fawkes +30

+40 even stronger obviously

[uneven veldt]

he kinda need 40960 tho

[autumn gull]

still solos at ch51 pcap, but it’s getting very close to no longer doing it

[charred jetty]

[crystal yarrow]

I just use knox and fawkes in the same team

[autumn gull]

you should try fawkes burst

with elth and lys

[crystal yarrow]

Fawkes as knight?

[charred jetty]

are you using lysander with him?

[autumn gull]

knox? usually not even needed

[charred jetty]

I use knox in freeze now

[autumn gull]

also nice

[charred jetty]

oh also

what about zohra > ashem?

[crystal yarrow]

Really want that anni switch to switch 40960 watha

[charred jetty]

is that a no because ashem needed for Sion and stuff

[autumn gull]

yes that is a no

[charred jetty]

awthalia lowkey not that bad if you have alvida 40

ok then

lets just do what you said

[autumn gull]

we can invoke some opinions from the new region ringleader @solar fractal

but i think the first two wokes are kinda set in stone, fawk for early camp and TS, envy for being the best dps in the game

[solar fractal]

Fawk envy west

[autumn gull]

there is an argument to be made for ashem > west but i don’t think it’s really any debate that west is better

[cobalt abyss]

best person to ask for regions 54 and beyond and another person you can ask is FOG they are also great

[solar fractal]

I will kill you

[cobalt abyss]

you’re the best bud love ya

[solar fractal]

Ew

[cobalt abyss]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/677979578425147412/1475190466482929714/image0.gif

[solar fractal]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/677979578425147412/1474505010141200435/image0.gif

[autumn gull]

khuaa you’re actually so nice

[cobalt abyss]

accept the compliments causal

[solar fractal]

I know am trying to change him

[solar fractal]

Never :run:

[autumn gull]

quite the lovely feller

[cobalt abyss]

https://tenor.com/view/dudu-flower-gif-511329709015824525

[solar fractal]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-kat-kitty-kitten-evil-gif-10545349572153573100

[cobalt abyss]

https://tenor.com/view/kittyjam-jamming-jam-cute-cat-cat-jam-gif-499006987437771115

[hybrid breach]

https://tenor.com/view/let-me-out-angry-kitten-gif-26858934

[solar fractal]

https://tenor.com/view/post-this-cat-die-post-this-cat-to-die-a-slow-and-painful-death-die-instantly-kitten-gif-26599068

[charred jetty]

elthara > envy

[autumn gull]

actually not too sure

[solar fractal]

Ulmus > elthra

[charred jetty]

I only do campaign, so I'll only speak for campaipn

there was a period of time where I dropped envy entirely from 5 comp set for elthara

[autumn gull]

tbf after seeing last TS envy results i no longer vouch for envy 100% anymore

[charred jetty]

now I'm just using both because I've found they compliement each other and just make the ashem comp even more stable

but as a general woke building order I don't think they can go wrong with envy 2nd

especially if they have sai

or if no sai IC 12 with shuna misha

and velu and westy if they have it, fine if they don't, can just rock like gorok

[autumn gull]

i think we nailed it

[grim hamlet]

I mean they don't compete for the same resources really so...

[autumn gull]

now to make the guides 👀

[charred jetty]

yep

[autumn gull]

should probably write a quick noye at the woke thing that a major rehaul is coming, so people checking now at least know

[grim hamlet]

so ashem still first woke then?

[charred jetty]

I think consensus is this now

#classic-questions message

ashem 4th

=te

[gilded sapphire]

Woke Prios and TE income:

https://discord.com/channels/441477431501783060/1255522091650781284

[autumn gull]

can pin something like that for the time being

or the #1 CS gotta start working overtime on all the people asking what woke to build @hybrid breach

[grim hamlet]

idk about zohra, seems sus

her team has fallen way off

[charred jetty]

done

[autumn gull]

i would say 4 woke is prio, the rest is personal

[charred jetty]

casual was showing us like 80% WR with L maetria in newer regions

[autumn gull]

depends on RGM focus, ranks etc

[grim hamlet]

to the point where most of our newer players complain that they can't make it work at all without seren. And our players with seren still only think she's mediocre

[charred jetty]

yeah maybe do top 4, then strongly consider big hoard

[autumn gull]

new region zohra is insane tho, but later on it’s eh. still a CR must

[charred jetty]

it's also good because she actually forms a new team

[crystal yarrow]

Its zohra or whoran

[grim hamlet]

yea but casual is in pretty fake TS region like basically everything late r4x and beyond and whaled ahead of he people in there

[charred jetty]

becase at the end of the day they still need 5/7 teams

[autumn gull]

maybe do two guides? one is main 4 with small explanation like the one in prio now, second one is with more detail on the different choices after it, saying it depends on your acc etc. it’s mostly between thoran/zohra/pippa/holding it seems

[grim hamlet]

so like casuals 80% doesn't say a ton for everyone else

[charred jetty]

oh I mean like ss of top 20 people in r54

[autumn gull]

newest newest region anything goes

should check around in r51-r54, but i think most have and use zohra

[charred jetty]

I mean the guide will be primarily for r54 and r55 people

[harsh acorn]

wasn't that me yesterday .-.

[autumn gull]

i don’t think zohra is a very strange 5th pick, but it’s also very liable to change

[charred jetty]

you are totally right

it wasn't casual, it was arc

[harsh acorn]

and that was in r47, r13, r36, etc.

[charred jetty]

oh

[crystal yarrow]

Most people in r51 and 52 have built watha so

[cobalt abyss]

I don’t think casual uses zohra btw…

[charred jetty]

wait r47?

that's older than central's region

[grim hamlet]

tbh I'd probably put thoran over zohra at this point

[harsh acorn]

I can show you lower than t20 too. I just analyze t20 the most because its most relevant for me usually

[grim hamlet]

I just think her team is only ok

[charred jetty]

we were thinking of dropping thoran entirely ngl lol

[harsh acorn]

zohra burst just really wants hildwin and shalltear.

shalltear can be subbed (at a wr cost) but hild is vital.

[grim hamlet]

and if you have like what 4 wokes? you can't really afford to put fawkes and knox in seal

[charred jetty]

uh reason being 5 comp we just do fawkes stuff instead of whoran, don't really need. him

[harsh acorn]

so until they finish building hild, zohra burst is a weaker team

and zohra burst also really wants panda 18 (12 min).

[autumn gull]

6 wokes is around when you finish building hild

[solar fractal]

She’s never falling off

[grim hamlet]

she's already fallen off lol

[autumn gull]

and when you should absolutely have third lvl18 pet being panda

[solar fractal]

Even if her team falls she can be used with Skylan/sion or watha burst

[grim hamlet]

that is true

sorry I should've clarified

shes not going anywhere anytime soon

[solar fractal]

Her team bad but she’s good

[grim hamlet]

her sp is incredible

but her team, the team you'd be pulling her that early for, is no longer very good

and she doesn't work in NC at all

[autumn gull]

but see, everyone has different opinion, evidence etc about 5th prio onwards, so i do think something like this would be best for new players

[grim hamlet]

and new players definitely don't care about CR

[solar fractal]

New ts team when

[grim hamlet]

whoran on the other hand kind of would make them a new TS team

since they could stop using fawkes in seal

[autumn gull]

huh?

[grim hamlet]

I know you and I would never do that

[solar fractal]

I think yall being too picky

Sadly there isn’t all rgm wokes lol

[grim hamlet]

whoran is no?

[harsh acorn]

zohra is strong, but her priority absolutely must fall later.

ideally you want it to be after you have built hild and have panda 18.

[autumn gull]

zohra is a whole new team, whereas thoran only helps seal. new region people already split fawkes from seal and just have knox mira talene etc in there

[charred jetty]

7 comp at the start can do just knox alvida stuff

[solar fractal]

Other than first 3

[grim hamlet]

he's still in CR I think

[solar fractal]

Nope

[harsh acorn]

whoran also is a decent sub in nc for lots of rounds. he was BIS but was recently replaced and now serves as a sub. not great, but alright. (not that nc prio matters to new players at all)

[grim hamlet]

hm

[charred jetty]

he's too niche in NC and CR

not to mention NC and CR don't matter until they have like 8 wokes or something

at that point I am willing to bet that there will be newer heroes better at those 2 than whoran

[solar fractal]

Thoran>shemira

[autumn gull]

i think thoran will never be a better pick than next woke release, which kinda incentivizes advicing to hold

[grim hamlet]

if the focus is TS? not a chance

[harsh acorn]

seal 18 is still nuts btw JD.

most new players use seal
and another team with alvi/pegasus

[solar fractal]

Why

Who are you gonna use shemira with

[autumn gull]

sion?

only if you go skylan ig

[harsh acorn]

sion is a good sub for sjw when we don't know if garrison is coming. its like the next best thing at 7t lol

issue is that its incredibly expensive. and other dracolites are kind of high prio. velu, begris, etc.

[grim hamlet]

I mean, literally any DPS that is too squishy to runw ithout protection lol

[autumn gull]

but that’s alna/sait also

[grim hamlet]

like just pick one

[solar fractal]

Who

[harsh acorn]

ashem selene is also not bad

[autumn gull]

so envy/sion are with alna/sait, and who goes with ashem?

[solar fractal]

^

[grim hamlet]

I think you're point is new players don't have sjw?

[autumn gull]

it’s a bit silly though, since people starting now don’t get sait

[hollow parcel]

Hello @grim hamlet,

Please check out the pinned messages/guides in the #classic-questions and #lineup-help channels.

[grim hamlet]

they also doint have sai anymore

btw

so if you're crossing off sjw, also cross of sai

[autumn gull]

no sait gives use back to ashem so it’s all kinda back to the start

i think ashem 4th is a safe pick

[idle thorn]

Can someone be kind enough to point me to ghoulish gallery guide? If such thing exist. I do mot understand that thing at all

[grim hamlet]

either way ther'es no way we're ever going to run out of squishy dps's that need protecting. I don't buy it

a future where ashem is benched is still far away

[harsh acorn]

=colls
and this basic guide I made.

[grim hamlet]

skylan has 3 goddamn cheat deaths. And he takes alna/sai lol

[gilded sapphire]

https://discord.com/channels/441477431501783060/1175839613701603329

[autumn gull]

i think it’s closer than we think ngl, one good protector woke and it’s the bench for ashem

[harsh acorn]

issue is that new player guides are mostly used by new players. we have to assume that new players do not have saitama from this point forward.

[grim hamlet]

if 3 cheat deaths is not enough to run without protection then what is?

[autumn gull]

but i still would never put her past thoran/zohra

[autumn gull]

agreed

[grim hamlet]

isn't kregor still bis in TS? I still see im a lot

so at least 2 away cause ashem is definitely better hten him at the same job

[autumn gull]

for non sait/sjw havers:
fawkes > envy > west is straight forward
i’d say ashem as 4th is still worth it, there’s good heroes to fit in there (like selene/sion) but it is kind of tricky to justify fully
zohra/thoran/pippa are hard to justify any order for since they all have different RGM’s, and some people may already have consistent t100 TS at this point

[autumn gull]

kregor is no longer recommended to build at all for newer players at this point, i don’t think his lifespan is very long

[grim hamlet]

I mean he never was

even for me and I'm not that new at this point he was always basically fodder tier

[autumn gull]

yea that’s what i mean, that type of protection just isn’t really that good in current meta

[hybrid breach]

My alt used probably an A5 kregor worth of kregors as fodder

[autumn gull]

same for me, no regrets at all

[grim hamlet]

you say that but i still see him all the time from those that have built him

[harsh acorn]

usually a sub. he's strong at 40960, but most players do not use him. even at kraken levels he isn't used.

[autumn gull]

thats true

[grim hamlet]

protection seems to be a very strong part of the current meta. to the point where all burst looks pretty mid

[hybrid breach]

Yeah but he is supper skippable and really only usable at 40960

Which is a lot to ask

[grim hamlet]

just to be clear, I'm not arguing for anyone to build kregor lol

the claim as made that ashem is nearly at the bench

[autumn gull]

i do hear your point

[grim hamlet]

my point is I don't think so

[autumn gull]

im not saying that, when built, she’s not used

[grim hamlet]

I used kregors usage as an example cause anywhere he's used ashem would be better

[harsh acorn]

zohra burst is pretty darn strong rn still I'd say.

[hybrid breach]

She’s realistically one of the top single team heros if you have everything else

[autumn gull]

im saying that she will (relatively soon) not be more worth building than others, and thus won’t be used

[harsh acorn]

burst is just weaker until you have proper supports for it. it requires more heavy support and therefore is a later part of the meta

[grim hamlet]

how's it do without built mae though lol

cause its pretty mid for me

and mae isn't even in the prio list

[autumn gull]

i do want to add that this doesn’t hold at all if sjw gets added to garrison

ashem sjw is literally the strongest early game team there is, it’s insane

[harsh acorn]

L mae is totally fine from my testing.
it's much weaker in older regions but in newer ones, its pretty strong still iirc.

you can usually get a copy of mae from MS.

[grim hamlet]

Think mine with 1 copy mae had a 40% last exploration

so I guess that checks out lol

[harsh acorn]

this is r3 lol

[autumn gull]

and still relatively good

[harsh acorn]

older region, struggles :D

[oak stirrup]

No that's 41 you monkey's uncle

[grim hamlet]

I mean a couple things to note

[harsh acorn]

newer region, strong :D

[grim hamlet]

if we're talking about new player zohra they haven't finished hild yet and they definitely do not have serenmira

[oak stirrup]

U want R3?

[grim hamlet]

also their panda is maybe 12, maybe

[harsh acorn]

burst really isn't strong before 5t lol

[oak stirrup]

Hands up whoever has and used new dragon in calc

[grim hamlet]

oh also no shalltear

probably ever

[harsh acorn]

yeah, no shalltear usually means you'll use another sub. I don't remember who it was, but it weakens the team a bit

[wispy ridge]

uhh how far do u guys think i can get before i get stuck

[oak stirrup]

You know who you could bring? Thoran

[grim hamlet]

I feel like new players are just gonna stick zohra behind shem and try and keep her alive lol

[autumn gull]

i agree with this. hild will be built, with panda 18, around the 6th woke and can decide what fits there if still no shalltear. but who else? thoran? he’s also not great, doesn’t give a new team, only a sub in NC and unused in CR. pippa? good in NC for now but might leave there forever, and only really useful with skylan in TS

[oak stirrup]

Wow people still use Lucius

[harsh acorn]

kaelon op though :D

[harsh acorn]

wuci was pretty decent from my testing. usually 53-60% wr. although this acc's wuci team was more juiced than most are

[grim hamlet]

kae is actually nice tech. its kind of weird he has no team though

[drowsy terrace]

What have you cooked?

[grim hamlet]

I wonder if someone actually had kae instead of sky if they could just use him instead in that team

[harsh acorn]

he's a super strong flex at kraken levels in zohra burst/skylan

[autumn gull]

my point is that when people starting now, no sjw no sait, have 4 wokes built there will for sure be better options than pippa/thoran by then

so no need to worry about it too much for the guide

[harsh acorn]

the issue I found with kaelon is that he can't form his own team where skylan does.

kaelon makes good teams better (at the cost of 800 of the most expensive resource in the game lol)

[oak stirrup]

"But but! My future ranking is in peril! Therefore I must know now and that's your fucking job to tell meeee!!!oneoneone111"

[autumn gull]

please oh please great CS from the sky, tell me which woke will drag me from the pits of 45% TS to t20

no i think generally it’s good that people ask :)

[drowsy terrace]

The wallet woke

Exclusive to vip 23

Unreleased

[grim hamlet]

well my curiousity is what if someone was out there that actually had kae but no sky. Could they just use him as a sky sub in ts? How well woudl it do?

[harsh acorn]

it flops as far as I'm aware. I think there was an example of it somewhere in tangledspore at some point.

I think brennan might have tested it as well

[grim hamlet]

ah. rip

[autumn gull]

can start by buying a yacht, selling said yacht and buying every bundle the game has

[olive jewel]

awakened credit card has the special "No spending limit" buff

[grim hamlet]

shame cause kae is definitely better in CR and now technically better in NC (though im curious who else can actually pull off that kraken comp that came out of CN at the last minute)

[olive jewel]

very OP

[steel spade]

[drowsy terrace]

[oak stirrup]

I like how people always deny the heroes I promote like Skylan and Kaelon

[harsh acorn]

what kraken comp came?

[autumn gull]

skylan kinda poopy these days but kaelon is slept on

[grim hamlet]

#1338896151717347328 message . Scroll down to see the r3 and how they managed to move lan to make that happen

[oak stirrup]

Poopy

"I'm sorry can you come a little closer? I can't see you properly from up here, climb more"

[idle thorn]

Uhh, one more question. Noob question. How do I get it to +1/+2?

[oak stirrup]

+1 from any lucky "Lv Up" mods you find during the run, +2 same thing except you must use Miracle Worker at the start

[autumn gull]

rage baiting the premium rage baiter

[oak stirrup]

And encounter 2 or more Lv Up on the same run (can use LvUp card at end)

[autumn gull]

i love my little life

[oak stirrup]

Every week, you get to expose the fallacy of F2P "efficiency believers" by slapping them on the face, every time they reject stuff like Skylan "because he's old hero and less efficient"

Unfortunately disease also spread to some friends who desperately tried to cling onto top 50 but ultimately faltered

[torpid seal]

What’s MS?

[harsh acorn]

You either get lucky and roll a level up stat or you use farewell gift totem to get a guaranteed one. You can also card one with the level up card after you use 36 leg totems

[oak stirrup]

Because she refuse to do SI40 Lavatune

[steel spade]

Imagine having 3 copies of Sky and still not pulling for him

[oak stirrup]

You know? Some people (whether F2P or not) can't see the messages sent from up there

The #1 reason people can't climb is not because they are dumb and do wrong things, but rather they can't see the windows of opportunity (usually due to thinking way too hard about "investment efficiency")

[harsh acorn]

I’m itching to try this next week lol

[oak stirrup]

Because last night's upsetting CR I changed my travel plans a bit

Original destination was FS

[olive jewel]

I think you misunderstand the point of hoarding for people like JD and me

[harsh acorn]

=terms
Mystic Starzone
Or “mining event”

[gilded sapphire]

#1469069769058680854

[olive jewel]

It's about hitting the right level and maintaining there safely

[oak stirrup]

No, hoarding to anticipate for future for keeping up is valid, but for most people they want to climb with every piece of resource minmaxed

[olive jewel]

and making incremental progress

[steel spade]

DID SOMEONE SAY HOARD?

[olive jewel]

but yeah its like JD always says, RGMs are mostly a bad investment, especially after certain breakpoints

[steel spade]

@grim hamlet it's my time to shine

[olive jewel]

but I also snap e68ed Velu last night a si40ed Crandle the day before that

[oak stirrup]

That's why they should increase it by giving DI to top 20 TS and top 10% CR

[olive jewel]

That's what hoarding affords me the chance to do

[oak stirrup]

Make the bar higher so you're pressured to push a little bit higher

[steel spade]

[autumn gull]

that’s so nice

how do you do your dailies? just select open s few every time

[oak stirrup]

That's only three Rowan roulettes

[autumn gull]

i feel ashamed sitting on only 200k

[steel spade]

not quite Hat level but getting there

[olive cape]

=wishlist

[gilded sapphire]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1191599620367851621/1420745309742694470/AFK_Arena_-_Tavern_Wishlist.jpg?ex=68d683ae&is=68d5322e&hm=e11dcad0d37947c073c3f7d68589935853106b8083e78c52394e1b9ec3baa930&

[steel spade]

what the kraken

[cobalt abyss]

Bud you’re the second coming of hat

[steel spade]

they're my role model

[autumn gull]

diamond income is so so fast tho

[crystal yarrow]

But you constantly use it

[autumn gull]

true, still it stacks up tho

[crystal yarrow]

Like i ussualy spend diamonds in the labyrinth shop to buy red chest

[autumn gull]

i even buy the bait for dia now

[uneven veldt]

Jerome is 30930 right?

[crystal yarrow]

6.4k for 40 chedt is a steal ngl

[autumn gull]

maybe i should, never have

random emblems? or the reds

[crystal yarrow]

Reds

[autumn gull]

wouldn’t random be more value in the end

[crystal yarrow]

At the end ig

[autumn gull]

im probably missing out

how’d your ts go?

[crystal yarrow]

I just start buying recently it stacks up red chedt fast

[crystal yarrow]

Normal hit t100 pretty easily i think building fawkes helped akot

[autumn gull]

nice

any shot at t50?

[crystal yarrow]

Dont think so my ashem sjw is doing bad

[grim hamlet]

but wait, why is that a goal lol

[autumn gull]

i got 90th, kinda sadge i’m actually falling of

[crystal yarrow]

Ur hoarding so thats crazy good

[autumn gull]

true true

[oak stirrup]

Isn't top 100 your norm

[autumn gull]

yes

[oak stirrup]

How is it doing bad if you're getting top 100 again, even rank 51 is same thing

[autumn gull]

getting closer to no longer getting t100, which would be better

[oak stirrup]

It's just RNG difference until you reach 50

[autumn gull]

i got #49, started holding more and got shit ass fawkes luck, so now i dropped to 80-90

still totally fine, but it’s good to notice the trend and understand what it takes to stay t100

[steel spade]

i don't know, just not feeling the need to chase peaks anymore. Woke pets have made it way too difficult.

[oak stirrup]

The round before is misleading, most tryhards will put their proper teams on calc and it will show the real ranks, kind of

[crystal yarrow]

U got crazy hb luck tho idek how u built levi and im sitting here with 400 di

[autumn gull]

i did yea lma

[oak stirrup]

You're still top 10

[steel spade]

NC and CR 📉 tho

[autumn gull]

think i finished him in like 600

[oak stirrup]

CR is shit this round it bled me hard

NC well, new boss so rank depends on whoever figures out the new stuff before the others

[crystal yarrow]

How u got so many di? Did u have good luck with lan and elthara

[autumn gull]

lan was average, elth was in like 20 so also very good. doesn’t explain the diff tho

maybe i just got to draco trials earlier

[oak stirrup]

Your account luck is branded from creation

[crystal yarrow]

Was just abt to say that im rn at stage 10 with 2 star

[autumn gull]

damn i finished stage 12 like two months ago

[oak stirrup]

NC difference and pull luck difference

[autumn gull]

that is a big gap yea

[crystal yarrow]

Waitt how lowkey spill the sauce

[autumn gull]

try harding for like 4 hours

[oak stirrup]

Hey you know how luck means you get heroes up sooner? It snowballs

[autumn gull]

lemme show what i use now, maybe it helps

somethjng along these lines, bottom comp is insane, clears in like 25-30 sec

also had RC440 i think when i cleared it

and M40 levi only

you prob should go for elth tho from what i’m seeing, seems busted

and it’s just fun to do something different than everyone

[crystal yarrow]

How u got 30960

[crystal yarrow]

Prob will do that

Did u have begris when u did this?

[olive jewel]

Levi e60 is a pretty high prio btw

[charred jetty]

@autumn gull @solar fractal can you guys accept farara's invitation plz

[autumn gull]

yess, i did

[autumn gull]

yea i know, it’s just hard to choose between him and west, so i don’t

[crystal yarrow]

Yo grumble what were your dragon horn levels

[steel spade]

what is this secret invitation

[cobalt abyss]

[rich sparrow]

Hi guys, quick questions. I can do a SI30 and I can do an E30. Who should I go on? I was thinking slamming all on Eorin for the event and then swap it for Idk who, maybe Alvida?

[uneven veldt]

do it on eorin for the free dia

swap u can ask again when grit is 2 days from ending

otherwise shuna 30930, jerome 30930 both very important

[rich sparrow]

Yeah that makes sense. I’ll do Eorin than Jerome. Thanks so much for the tips

[rich sparrow]

One last question, I should still use my diamonds for summon right? Not stargazing yet?

[oak stirrup]

=guide

[gilded sapphire]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1191599454843834451/1461972574144565414/image.png?ex=696c7f8f&is=696b2e0f&hm=0ac0b8d693c032d1b9530408ce9066f235e2e769af31a5a79d5645e506d9a1e8&

[rich sparrow]

Wait, I didn’t see the guide changing. Should I keep or sell half of my Jeanne D’Arc

[hexed mulch]

finish her

[rich sparrow]

Oh ok thanks

[oak stirrup]

Why do you cancel half finished projects

[harsh acorn]

It’s a very secretive invitation to the lab where they cook cn’s top hits (it’s not)

[autumn gull]

no clue ngl

i focused si30 and 9f asap

[autumn gull]

could go in for eorin, and swap him as soon as you get the 30930 for jerome?

[uneven veldt]

he has a A1 jerome, id swap for misha instead since he only have 2 misha copy, gorok sounds okay he only have 1 but gorok can stay at 20230 so

[summer gyro]

Havent played in about 5-6 months, should i restart or just continue my account. Will it matter if im weaker than everyone in my server?

[charred jetty]

server? No. Region? Yes

I would restart, we are currently in one of the best times to start, so you'll breeze through everything

[wraith fjord]

we are in a shit time with the dims issue

[charred jetty]

to put it into perspective, people are now hitting ch31 on day 1 f2p

[charred jetty]

well he missed sai already

not restarting would only put him at a further disadvantage

[wraith fjord]

im tempted to make a new account to see ifthats rela

[charred jetty]

you should lol

I might make one too

[wraith fjord]

personally right now i dont see a point in starting to play unless they fix dims

[charred jetty]

acfording to benno you don't even need to do PoT

because you legit don't need any heroes

[wraith fjord]

whats teh tech

[charred jetty]

it's just ivan + L elthara

[wraith fjord]

when can you pull for a hb

[charred jetty]

or if you luck into 1 copy of fawkes

L fawkes L elthara ivan M

[river shuttle]

pot waste of time if you just wanna speedrun too ch 31

[charred jetty]

like ch15? something like that

^

which is crazy

like what is even going on with early game

[river shuttle]

you can get to ch31 with lvl 160/140 heroes

[charred jetty]

that said, 30 * 60 is 1800 stages you have to auto through

so it's still gonna take a while

[charred jetty]

this is absurd

[wraith fjord]

my tell my girlfriend its worth to restart since she has wanted to play

[charred jetty]

restart with her lol

also did you build elthara?

don't tell me you built skylan

[cobalt abyss]

absurd but certainly possible it’s fun to see how fast you can get to ch31

[summer gyro]

I might restart, played until i had to deploy two teams on campaign. Pushed with randle ivan to that point in like about a week i think it was

Nvm, been a year since i played

[autumn gull]

i think si30 on misha is a waste, can use later grits for finishing misha

the 30930 just needs to land on an important hero

[past oar]

@charred jetty i just wondered where did my dust go

[charred jetty]

Oh were you holding dust

Mb

[past oar]

i wasnt, i meant to pop it before auto anyway so all good

just thought wtf do i have dementia or what

[wraith fjord]

dont think i can honestly play early game agian knowing the dims siduation

if i could find her a decent account to take up id do that lol i feel bad for anyone starting new

[charred jetty]

well they won't be in regions where that's an issue anywaus

for TS

for NC and CR, welp new plsyers have been cooked for quite some time

dims doesn't really change that too much, it's really only new whales that get impacted

like it's going to take 1-1.5 years for them to actually be competitive in NC

at least

[wraith fjord]

forget how long it took me to become a real player

[charred jetty]

assuming they are like dubbbsy level good at NC

needless to say, most people arent dubbbsy level good at NC

[past oar]

what u guys cooking for woke prio

[charred jetty]

atalene first

she does the tank

[past oar]

understandable

[torpid seal]

arent new player starting still gonna be in r54? they missing sai and sjw unless r55 is soon

[hollow parcel]

Hello @torpid seal,

Please check out the pinned messages/guides in the #classic-questions and #lineup-help channels.

[charred jetty]

currently the consensus is fawkes > envy > westy > ashem > GAP > zohra > askri

GAP is when people should consider just holding and waiting for new heroes instead of building heroes past that point

[past oar]

really

[charred jetty]

for people with Sai but not SJW, envy > fawkes

for people with SJW and Sai, ashem > westy

[past oar]

did 1 copy fawkes + 1 copy elthara get tested, if thats a broken comp fawkes kinda mid

[charred jetty]

idea is ashem is basically Sion booster now for people without SJW

[autumn gull]

you still believe in that skriath?

[charred jetty]

I think it did, but it's not nearly as good as built fawkes

idk

for campaign askri is very good

[autumn gull]

haven’t really seen him used in TS without luci

[charred jetty]

but for TS... askri is like budget gavus

who is like rank 12 in woke prio or something

[past oar]

imo ashem still the goat just because she is very versatile

[charred jetty]

but askri is very good in CR

which is why higher ranked

[charred jetty]

so that's still true, but if you think about it

[autumn gull]

fair fair, but at 6 wokes built you’re not doing CR yet

[charred jetty]

there's literally no one to boost in TS

Sion is the only candidate

and you can probably make a case for alna Sion or Sai Sion

[past oar]

but if u build her first she's a 1 man team

[charred jetty]

you could stack ashem with envy, but like westy with envy is better than ashem with envy

[past oar]

for a long time my best team was just ashem with gbs

[autumn gull]

fawkes even more so, and he continues to be

[charred jetty]

she's far less of a 1 man team than other wokes

like it's not even close

fawkes legit solos up to ch70 enemies

[past oar]

well camp and ts kinda different

[charred jetty]

I know TS is not exactly the same

but RBSG in TS in arguably much weaker than actual high deficit camp

[past oar]

i built fawkes recently and he slightly boosted seal but thats it

[charred jetty]

that's probably because you already had whoran

and is in a much older TS region

if you look at the top 100 in R54

fawkes does similar damage to L elthara

[past oar]

the main question i have, does fawkes win vs ashem

[charred jetty]

both of which does way more damage than seal 18

[past oar]

because when i started watha was 2nd prio only because she lost to ashem

[charred jetty]

you mean 1v1?

[past oar]

no like in a ts team

[charred jetty]

ok, so my question is who exactly is ashem boosting in TS for a new player

they don't have SJW

[past oar]

she isnt, she solo carries

[charred jetty]

they honestly don't even have Sion built at that point

[past oar]

early ts she is enough

[torpid seal]

randle

[charred jetty]

it's like randle or something

[charred jetty]

yeah, so 1v1 right

like literally just them + 4 random heroes

[past oar]

them + 4 gb

[charred jetty]

fawkes demolishes ashem in them + 4 gb

[past oar]

thats what i used like simona or some other bs

[charred jetty]

ye

built fawkes beats out even like fully supported envy team

like the whole ashem westy envy velu etc. etc.

well I should say fawkes + L elthara

btu fawkes contributes a good 40-50% of the damage

[torpid seal]

whats the early awfawkes team? fawkes elthara lys?

[charred jetty]

if it's just fawkes vs ashem it's not even close

[charred jetty]

ye

[torpid seal]

or does that team work without lys and put lys with knox

[charred jetty]

I think before e60 lys people should do knight fawkes

afterwards they should do rook fawkes

[charred jetty]

I think knox is just dual team with alvida and seal

or specter for very early on

[torpid seal]

hmm i see, knox alvida seal stall and then elthara fawkes burst?

[past oar]

if u gonna run fawkes with elthara might as well run ashem with elthara

[oak stirrup]

JD are you seeing TS as campaign again

[charred jetty]

campaign is more similar to early TS than NC/CR are

but no, I am basing off r54 top 100 replays

[charred jetty]

I was thinking about this too

[oak stirrup]

So your ideas only really work with R54 because they roll differently

[charred jetty]

but ashem elthara is not as strong as fawkes + elthara

elthara doesn't need to live, she just needs her team to live so she can environment damage them

ashem team survives not as long as fawkes team

[charred jetty]

well and earlier regions too

[oak stirrup]

So is this about pushing for Fawkes first or more than that

[charred jetty]

no points going earlier than r52 because before then they all have like 8 wokes built

nah complete overhaul of prio

I know you guys hate on campaign because it's not an RGM

but for early game players campaign > MV is the main RGM people are pushing for

ch46 gives 5 DI per month

[polar grail]

Where do you mostly get si gold from ?

[charred jetty]

ch31-45 also gives a TON of resources

=mv

-misty

=misty

[gilded sapphire]

Guide for Misty Valley

https://discord.com/channels/441477431501783060/994913416206614579

[oak stirrup]

I don't hate campaign but I dislike the idea of trying to apply campaign logic to RGMs

[past oar]

i only hated on camp because of stupid shit like charm or tasi cheese

[charred jetty]

from walker on is the RGM value of campaign for early game players

[oak stirrup]

Misty back again I see

[shy crescent]

wed i think?

[charred jetty]

which btw, is actually way more than TS

[oak stirrup]

Some charm can actually improve with IS collection on Mehira when she doesn't need to rush it