classic-chat

[floral latch]

Thank you

[wet hedge]

~40k of 9f

ok not engraving ig, so more like 450k

[floral latch]

It's funny that you end up counting the diamonds for the resources you never buy regardless

[vestal sparrow]

No cats this is serious cat moment

[wet hedge]

just diamond value

[floral latch]

It's not diamond value

[wet hedge]

but it is though

[floral latch]

You're not investing diamonds into buying red chests from the shop

[vestal sparrow]

That's more like it

[wet hedge]

I'm not counting store price

more like exchange price compared to other stuff you could be buying from store that have a reasonable price

that's why we have diamond value in the first place

[floral latch]

Those are just resources that you stack up overtime

You're never buying them anyway

[wet hedge]

so we can get the resources there and save the diamonds that we would have spent otherwise on the things that we can't get a good exchange rate of

[bright spire]

What even is this about..

Alna or Dae?

That ends up as preference…

[normal zodiac]

Alna being a necessity

[floral latch]

Alna not being a necessity for newer regions

[bright spire]

Kraken in s1083 misses t100 because they have no Alna. Literally their own words

Alna is a necessity

[floral latch]

Convo done, bye jd

[wet hedge]

basically will not having alna by the time you have 2 celepos be detrimental to progression

[bright spire]

Alna or Dae first is preference

Both are necessities for an account

[floral latch]

Thank you, finally someone with common sense

[wet hedge]

why do you propose alna to be necessity

[normal zodiac]

Shes just not 2nd in the prio list

[bright spire]

Enables an entire TS team

[wet hedge]

but joan sub works fine in that comp

[floral latch]

[wet hedge]

if the kraken is too new to have joan built, that's not really applicable to most players

[bright spire]

Joan investment isn’t high prio

[wet hedge]

it's not

[bright spire]

Most new players do not have her at proper investment

[wet hedge]

but it's also a cheap sub for when you don't have alna

atheus too probably

[bright spire]

All I’m saying is that a guy with 5 wokes and a bunch of celepogs except Alna regrets not getting Alna

Because she is just that good

[wet hedge]

well why didn't they get her third

[normal zodiac]

Its like 2 celepogs lets be serious

[vestal sparrow]

The issue is all of you have different definition of necessity

[normal zodiac]

Anyone else is dumb

[bright spire]

That’s what I’m saying tho second or third

[wet hedge]

again not applicable to like every other normal player

[wet hedge]

I guess some context on the actual debate would help

[floral latch]

Because necessity isn't subjective but objective, and her being a necessity is an objective fact

[wet hedge]

basically, I posit that alna is not a necessity for new players, she's just the best 3rd gaze option

[floral latch]

That's still new players wdym

That's literally 4 months old accounts

[wet hedge]

how I define necessity is a hero which, if you don have, will result in significant struggle in the prescribed progression path we outline for new players

[vestal sparrow]

Necessity to do what? If to carry a team only a few are (ashem,liberta,rem,aathalia, a few more) alna has subs

[bright spire]

If you take that point of view you can get away with saying literally nobody is a ‘necessity’ because everything has a sub

[floral latch]

Necessity to allow you to use certain formations that otherwise you couldn't without her

[wet hedge]

#classic-chat message

[vestal sparrow]

Ashem and liberta don't in this case

[wet hedge]

examples I gave of essential heroes

basically rem, bert, ashem

daemia E would also be one

[floral latch]

And alna is just as essential for ts

[wet hedge]

because your guild hunt/TR is gonna suck if you don't have her at least E

[wet hedge]

but she's not though, it doesn't break your progression curve

[normal zodiac]

And why would you be pushing TS so early on without those carries built

[bright spire]

TS is going to suck without Alna

[wet hedge]

by the time you get strong enough that you are actually competing against opponents that can blast through your cheap atheus FL

you'd naturally be at a point where you'd be building alna

[bright spire]

I jumped like 2-3% when I got her 309..

[floral latch]

I'm telling you that rem front doesn't do jackshit even on the newer regions but you don't listen

[wet hedge]

did you get her 2nd or 3rd?

[bright spire]

2nd

[vestal sparrow]

You could use rem daemia team without alna. But you cannot use ashem team without ashem.

[floral latch]

E60 9f rem dies most of the time before doing her ult front row

[wet hedge]

i'd argue you'd do better with daemia 1* 309E33 on that team

don't forget daemia gives 50% DR

[vestal sparrow]

False I had 70% winrate without alna with just 203.

[wet hedge]

no one at ch33 is blasting your 50% DR rem 9f down in 3 seconds

[normal zodiac]

Also why is rem frontline if you're frontline struggles that much, just out her in the back then lol. Again alna wont make that team much better

[floral latch]

Alright so I'm lying then

[vestal sparrow]

I'm using subs that I could be using in other teams though which is obviously hurting my TS

[floral latch]

I literally have raku having higher wr

[bright spire]

We view necessity completely different

[wet hedge]

your dae does not have the 50z% DR my guy

[bright spire]

I can say Rem isn’t a necessity because Daimon would work too with what we prescribe for early game

[vestal sparrow]

True

[wet hedge]

you also get rock lv9 by your third celepo

[floral latch]

Nice joke

[bright spire]

It’s like at what point is something a necessity?

[wet hedge]

but he doesn't do nearly as well though

the player's progression will for sure be stalled

[bright spire]

Alna Rem doesn’t do nearly as well without Alna..

[floral latch]

That again is you contradicting yourself with the subs for alna, none of them do as well as her

[wet hedge]

you're making the same argument as Marian

[vestal sparrow]

Idk that's for the viewer to decide . Idk why marian is arguing about it when they both agreed alna should be 3rd

[wet hedge]

alna rem also doesn't do nearly as well as alna alucius

[normal zodiac]

Nor alna abel

[bright spire]

No I’m just pointing out that your view on ‘necessary’ heroes is subjective and varies wildly

[wet hedge]

that doesn't automatically make alucius a top tier hero

[floral latch]

Thank you

[wet hedge]

of course if you just got a 450k diamond value worth of investment injected into your account you'd do better

[bright spire]

Well duh but that’s not what Marian was saying

No shit sherlock on the case

[floral latch]

It's like saying liberta is not a necessity because you can use regular belinda

[bright spire]

That’s a stretch

[wet hedge]

no it's not like that actually

[floral latch]

Yeah it's a bad example but it's pretty much the way they're expressing themselves

[wet hedge]

anyways we've diverged too far from the original discussion

[vestal sparrow]

But JD's point is that rem team can function without alna, although it will require other subs which will weaken your other teams

[floral latch]

"you don't need a hero that's a necessity because there's a sub for it" then don't build anyone at all anymore

[wet hedge]

when I have time, I'll write up my theory in a more articulate manner

[vestal sparrow]

What is the sub for ashem?

[floral latch]

Why you keep mentioning ashem

[vestal sparrow]

To disprove your point

[bright spire]

What I view as necessary heroes are heroes you cannot miss because they’re one-of-a-kind.

Alna for front row enabling
Daemia for her immunity+DMG
Liberta for the heals+DMG

[floral latch]

This convo had nothing to do with ashem in the slightest

[wet hedge]

because ashem is a necessity

it's like suppose we have A and B

[bright spire]

Without Alna you will have struggles in campaign
Without Alna you will place lower in TS

[wet hedge]

you claim that A = B

[floral latch]

See, he's explaining it better than me

[wet hedge]

loler is showing you how A != B

[normal zodiac]

JD isnt making the argument for not building her, its more that you can use subs for her until you build her. She's going to be your 3rd celepog if you're building them out correctly. But for that time period you dont have her there are subs you can use, and Rem doesn't need to be frontline to do her damage

[wet hedge]

ok more liek there are two classes of objects, A and B

[vestal sparrow]

I don't completely view it like that but I respect it

[wet hedge]

you have an object X which you claim to be in A

[floral latch]

she can't stay Frontline

Not that she doesn't have to be Frontline

[wet hedge]

but loler uses an example object A' from A to show that A' != X

and thus X is not in A

[vestal sparrow]

Honestly this conversation just lowkey sounds like a tierlist

[normal zodiac]

Real

[wet hedge]

alna is only essential for row enabling when you are facing enemies that can blast your frontline before daemia ult (with rock 9, daemia 50% DR and rem 9f) though

hmm I guess alna would be essential a lot later on then

[bright spire]

RCL 9 is a stretch for new accounts btw

[wet hedge]

not by the third celepo

[normal zodiac]

I have to disagree there

[floral latch]

Dude everyone can blast your frontline before daemia ult on newer regions

[wet hedge]

not to mention you can just get a zolrath +1 collection

[floral latch]

[wet hedge]

yet another cheat death

[wet hedge]

who is everyone

maybe players a lot older than you

[floral latch]

Every damn player that is above me in rankings

[vestal sparrow]

I think I will hit alna and RCL 9 around same time

[normal zodiac]

My alt is building its 3rd celepog and ive barely hit 9 im like 7 copies away fron it

[floral latch]

So everyone past top 2%

[bright spire]

I’m starting to get confused here, what is your main argument to why Alna is not a necessity for new players?

[west maple]

Hello @bright spire,

Please check out the pinned messages/guides in the #classic-questions and #lineup-help channels.

[normal zodiac]

Aka the older accounts and whales

[floral latch]

Which is only a few thousands of people

[bright spire]

[wet hedge]

and even then that's because you don't have rock 9 or daemia e30

[vestal sparrow]

Alna has subs

[wet hedge]

you can do fine without alna for a very long time

[floral latch]

You do realize that only 0.1% of the region has reso 9 right?

[bright spire]

No?

[floral latch]

[wet hedge]

what do you mean no

[floral latch]

No clue what is jd smoking today

[wet hedge]

ok look, say marian's account right

[jolly sable]

whos alna is she single?

[wet hedge]

bythe time he gets his daemia to e30

[normal zodiac]

https://tenor.com/view/peaky-blinders-no-fighting-no-fucking-fighting-fight-fuck-gif-16259749058826278291

[wet hedge]

do you think he can get like 70% in TS with that comp?

he has like 56% rn

[normal zodiac]

Mad question

[bright spire]

I’m R46 1% only recently finished my third celepog. Without Alna I wouldn’t even be 4% even if I got Lava in the place

[floral latch]

And then he starts fighting with someone

[floral latch]

Thanks

[bright spire]

By your third celepog you’re months into the game. A LOT of teams can blast your front row before Dae ult

[normal zodiac]

This is civil discourse i have no idea what you're on about

[wet hedge]

so by then you get alna

[bright spire]

Yeah making her necessary…

[floral latch]

Why is woutorro the only one using common sense atm

[wet hedge]

but third celepo is very far into the game already

[floral latch]

It's 4 months

[wet hedge]

which is why I said not necessary for new players

[floral latch]

4 months is new players

[vestal sparrow]

Im dizzy now

[floral latch]

Jd are you ok

[bright spire]

What…

[wet hedge]

hmm

[bright spire]

What do you consider new players

[normal zodiac]

Sit down then

[bright spire]

I consider myself a new player

[wet hedge]

sitting down doesn't stop you from being dizzy

it just stops you from falling because you're dizzy

[vestal sparrow]

Ask chatgpt

[wet hedge]

[floral latch]

This is what I've been discussing with for the past 40 mins,

[normal zodiac]

Okay, never said i was a doctor did i?

[bright spire]

Yes you did

[vestal sparrow]

Are u

[normal zodiac]

No my dad is

[bright spire]

[wet hedge]

ok anyways

[normal zodiac]

So i have better advice than others

[jolly sable]

yes or no

[wet hedge]

my point is meta shifts

[normal zodiac]

Not always correct tho

[bright spire]

What is new players JD…

[wet hedge]

marian's point was meta doesn't shift (or at least not fast enough that building heroes won't be worth past some point)

[normal zodiac]

Im not answering that

[vestal sparrow]

Oh yeah that was the initial point

[floral latch]

I said that certain heroes remain meta no matter what, and don't change the subject after 40 mins where you've been wrong

[normal zodiac]

This mf really just asked is Alna single, i cant

[floral latch]

[jolly sable]

[vestal sparrow]

Is she?

[normal zodiac]

She a single mom, do with that what you will

[bright spire]

JD what do you consider a new player

[bright spire]

[wet hedge]

in that context I was referring to ~2-3 celepos built

[bright spire]

By that time she is a necessity yeah

[wet hedge]

I don't think alna is married

[floral latch]

Exactly, daemia, alna, liberta, they'll never be out of meta

Ashem also

[bright spire]

Shemira would like to have a word with you

[normal zodiac]

Shes called the Frozen Mother idk what to tell you

[wet hedge]

oh yeah this where we got into the alna thing

[jolly sable]

she a blizzard baddie ngl

[bright spire]

Shem used to be meta

Rip

[wet hedge]

[normal zodiac]

https://tenor.com/view/vorzek-vorzneck-oglg-og-lol-gang-gif-24901093

[vestal sparrow]

[wet hedge]

I don't think alna should be classified in the same group as bert, daemia, ashem

[vestal sparrow]

I still have maxed shem on my old account

[normal zodiac]

Because she isnt a carry

[bright spire]

Alna has been meta for years tho

[normal zodiac]

Shes support

[floral latch]

You can't compare cheat death/immunity to dmg to a regular hero tho

[wet hedge]

well daemia also isn't a carry

well she can be

[wet hedge]

she's been in the meta since her release yes

[normal zodiac]

That dmg she can do makes her a psuedo-carry imo

[bright spire]

Nothing stays meta forever in these games

[wet hedge]

but she's constantly moving up and down in the meta depending on what the hyper carry situation looks like

[vestal sparrow]

Ok so SSS+: ashem,liberta,rem
Ss+: ainz,alna,daemia

[bright spire]

Always a bigger fish

[floral latch]

Alna will always have a place in the game, no matter at what stage this game will be, the only way she can get thrown out of the meta is if they release heroes that cancel her ability

[wet hedge]

ainz???

[bright spire]

[vestal sparrow]

[wet hedge]

like when lucretia was top, alna was really good

[floral latch]

And I don't think that they'll ever do that

[wet hedge]

and then more comps came out and that comp stopped so good

and then alna grez athalia became the meta, and alna is back to top tier

and then more comps came out and she stopped being so good

and then rem came out with asaf, and alna is back to being top of the world

[bright spire]

Are you proving Marian’s point now

[wet hedge]

and then more comps came out and she became not as good

[floral latch]

You realize that the way you're thinking is totally off?

[vestal sparrow]

[floral latch]

[wet hedge]

wdym

[bright spire]

Dude I’m too tired for all this

[little veldt]

I'm honestly pretty sure I can tell you it isn't worth it

[normal zodiac]

Iher meta has been a sin graph, she comes in and out of meta but now that we have rem and abel she'll be meta for a while

[wet hedge]

^

[floral latch]

Doctors say that weed is beneficial, but I'm not seeing the benefits in JDS case

[vestal sparrow]

@normal zodiac is this true

[wet hedge]

I'm saying just because she has been used for a long time doesn't mean heroes like alna are just immune to powercreep

[floral latch]

She is immune to powercreep

That's her purpose, being immune frontrow

[bright spire]

My final opinion is that Alna is currently necessary for accounts that are past ~3 months of playing. Why? Because before that you don’t have the box for a team Alna can enable

[wet hedge]

ok now I am confused, why are we talking about alna again

[vestal sparrow]

Agred

[bright spire]

Ok cool bye

I go sleep now

[wet hedge]

everyone has alna built by ch42

[floral latch]

That's exactly what i was saying all along, why were you defending jd then

[wet hedge]

so she's completley irrelevant to our original discussion

[vestal sparrow]

Wasn't defending anyone I did say like 3 times you guys have different views

[normal zodiac]

Yes, only if its prescription. Weed is a pshycadelic which can be beneficial for some patients. It just turns out that a lot more ppl use it recreationally. The same can be said about ketamine. They can use that to numb your sensations and put you in happy time but pol get their hands on it illegally and use it recreationally. In the end it just comes down to it being psychedelic

[floral latch]

You must reconsider what you consider a new account jd

Because 4 months old still counts as new

[wet hedge]

aight this conversation is pointless, you're just not old enough to consider late game the main game yet

[floral latch]

Lmao

[vestal sparrow]

Thanks

[floral latch]

Glad that you finally decided to end it after losing the debate

[normal zodiac]

Happy to help

[floral latch]

Twisting it to your own advantage

[wet hedge]

losing what debate

[normal zodiac]

Youve just agreed to disagree

[wet hedge]

literally when did we even disagree on something that's not just semantics

I mean do you now think you should build alna second?

[vestal sparrow]

It was all semantics

[little veldt]

The real question is how much money does one need to spend to be relevant nowadays

[floral latch]

Second or third is the same

[vestal sparrow]

Depends on your goals

[wet hedge]

if you do I'm ready to fight you again

[normal zodiac]

Its a discussion on where Alna places in priority and whether she was a necessity or not. This is not a debate

[bright spire]

Guys you should take me as an example

[floral latch]

Actually if i went back in time i would probably build her before daemia yes

[bright spire]

Go take a nap

One long sleepy nap

[wet hedge]

ok I'm ready to fight you again

[vestal sparrow]

https://tenor.com/view/waking-up-cat-reverse-mimir-gif-14394846257419819571

[bright spire]

Forgive forget

[floral latch]

Because she needs less than her to function

[wet hedge]

before you leave @bright spire

[bright spire]

[floral latch]

Now he gonna attack your cat pics

[bright spire]

Don’t you dare continue a discussion

[floral latch]

[little veldt]

Sure what if my only goal is to make my account more than a meme

[wet hedge]

who do you think would be a better addition to rem comp when you have exactly 1 celepo built, built alna or built daemia

[bright spire]

[vestal sparrow]

You can do it f2p

[floral latch]

[bright spire]

I’m out

[floral latch]

Never ending discussion

[bright spire]

I’m not playing these games

[vestal sparrow]

Now that's a good discussion

[clever dagger]

this still going bruh

[bright spire]

If I wanted to play games I would go on tinder

[floral latch]

You can go on with jd for weeks if you're in the mood

[wet hedge]

I think it was a good discussion

[normal zodiac]

Its been entertaining

[wet hedge]

[normal zodiac]

I think so too

[wet hedge]

that's how we sharpen the community to be up to date with new stuff

[little veldt]

Idk about that look at my box lol

[bright spire]

It was but I’m getting real tired

[vestal sparrow]

Blud's about to get roasted

[little veldt]

Pro meme

[wet hedge]

which is why we are not recommending ainz still right now

[clever dagger]

hear me out

[bright spire]

About to take the biggest nap of all time

[vestal sparrow]

Yeah it's cooked

[floral latch]

Not now, later

[wet hedge]

do you know how long it took aimb to convince people izold was good when he came out

[normal zodiac]

Ive got earphones on, im about to read an L take

[floral latch]

You still got stuff to discuss about

[bright spire]

Nuh uh

[clever dagger]

dw I got nothing

[bright spire]

Wout is heading out

[floral latch]

That's my favorite by far

I'm saving that one

[normal zodiac]

I was fooling around

[little veldt]

So how much to unmeme it?

[vestal sparrow]

While you are sleeping dream about whether you think alna is a necessity

Idk I thought u were talking about a fresh account

[floral latch]

Anyway this conversation was one of the dumbest I've had since I've joined this server

[little veldt]

Lol nah what fun is there in that

[bright spire]

No thanks I’ll dream about new players stopping at Rem SI20

[wet hedge]

also I've actually also tried alna rem without alna

[normal zodiac]

I had a dream i got banned from the discord actually, strike 3 of saying something illegal

[wet hedge]

this was a while ago, but my opponents had pretty decent comps with lots of wokes

[vestal sparrow]

what if you get the si 30 rem nightmare instead

[wet hedge]

still did like 60%

[bright spire]

[floral latch]

Cut it jd, that enough

[wet hedge]

which is not bad all things considered

[bright spire]

JD just mute me at this point I have to sleep but I keep getting distracted

[wet hedge]

now I do have a the advantage of a wide roster of jubs

[wet hedge]

just close your discord sir

[bright spire]

https://tenor.com/view/pampers-gif-26377016

[normal zodiac]

My dumbest was helping a guy fix his account and he couldn't understand why we told him what we told him and summed up everything by saying but i wanna have fun when his account was as good as dead

[little veldt]

Real talk I have debated starting a fresh account

[bright spire]

Fake news

[floral latch]

Like this conversation was one of the most useless I've ever seen

[bright spire]

Ok I’m out bye

[floral latch]

[normal zodiac]

🫡

[vestal sparrow]

We still didn't finish ours from a month ago

[wet hedge]

you just have too closed of a mindset

unwillingly to entertain other possibilities besides what you can immediately see and thus believe

[normal zodiac]

Hes picking up the rifle

[floral latch]

Saying that it's not a necessity for new accounts, then going on to say that she should be the 3rd priority to build, proving my point exactly that she is indeed a necessity, and then it all ended up with (you don't know shit about old accounts so let's move on)

Basically 40 mins wasted

[wet hedge]

not having her doesn't break the prescribed progression curve

[wet hedge]

which is what how I defined necessity in the first place

again we just disagree on the semantics

[floral latch]

Sure sure

[normal zodiac]

Go sleep

[bright spire]

I CHECK BACK HERE AFTER 2 MINUTES

[wet hedge]

mocking me and saying I'm on drugs does not support your stane

[bright spire]

AND YOU 2 ARE STILL GOING

[wet hedge]

why are you not asleep

[normal zodiac]

Stop fooling around, turn off the device if you have to. GO SLEEP

[bright spire]

Please mute me

Please

I can’t

[wet hedge]

why do I have to mute you

[bright spire]

[normal zodiac]

No self control

[wet hedge]

you'd still be able to read

[bright spire]

Otherwise I will lurk here

[wet hedge]

[floral latch]

It does when you're contradicting yourself multiple times

[wet hedge]

and lurk

[normal zodiac]

Time him out idk

[bright spire]

I’m leaving the server

I cannot do this

[floral latch]

When smoking weed I'm also contradicting myself often

So i just did the 1+1

[bright spire]

Ok maybe not O don’t want to lose roles

[wet hedge]

just turn your phone off

[bright spire]

This conversation as a cat ^^^

True I’m doing that

Byebye

[clever dagger]

just mute him JD

[vestal sparrow]

The cat guy is back

[wet hedge]

even if I was mocking your opponent does not help in a debate

[clever dagger]

[little veldt]

No one else wants to take a crack at guessing the cost to unmeme my account?

[normal zodiac]

🫡

[floral latch]

It was definitely one of the worst conversations and it ended the same way it started

[wet hedge]

it's honestly probably not as bad as you would think

[normal zodiac]

$600

[floral latch]

[wet hedge]

you can do the wait out the meta strategy

missing like 5 heroes the meta demands you to have? just wait until they are not demanded anymore

[little veldt]

Honestly if that's all I could potentially work that out lmao

[normal zodiac]

Again the definition of necessity is where the argument lies. Not whether she is a necessity

[floral latch]

A debate that you've lost from the beginning it's not really a debate

[wet hedge]

you keep saying that

[normal zodiac]

How

[wet hedge]

when it's just not true

[floral latch]

Because it's true, but you're in denial to admit it

[little veldt]

$600? Is that an unobtainable sum of money for you?

[wet hedge]

ok I've sunk enough time into this, if you think you're right you can just be right

[little veldt]

I certainly don't WANT to spend $600 on this game in a short window of time but it's hardly impossible

[floral latch]

You were basically agreeing with me all along while also pretending not to at the same time

[normal zodiac]

Yes, im 18 and still living off my parents

[fading plinth]

Imagine spending 600 dollars on a gacha

You can 10 games for that value

[wet hedge]

I could say the same thing

[floral latch]

No you really can't

[wet hedge]

because again the only disagreement was the semantics

[floral latch]

[fading plinth]

Maybe more

[normal zodiac]

What a name

[floral latch]

Imagine being a contributor to a gacha

[fading plinth]

Imagine imagining

[little veldt]

Damn, you'll get there eventually. Just keep at it.

[normal zodiac]

https://tenor.com/view/imagine-dragons-night-visions-abbey-road-on-top-of-the-world-gif-18300241

[wet hedge]

[normal zodiac]

No, i dont think i will

[floral latch]

[wet hedge]

@floral latch do you know how long the discussion would have lasted if you maintained and respectful attitude and simply stated your stance with your reasoning? literally 5 minutes

[little veldt]

Some people spend money on clothing, others buy boats, some buy others company, some buy games, some buy food, and others buy drugs. Life is full of spending money on things who cares as long as you enjoy the ride.

[wet hedge]

but you had to mock every third sentence and say the other person is abusing substances

which is why the semantics discussion lasted an hour

[little veldt]

I mean having the ability to spend $600, not specifically on afk.

[wet hedge]

can you see how that is a very counterproductive use of time?

[fading plinth]

Gambling

[normal zodiac]

Daddy's money will eventually amount to that

[floral latch]

I had more than a respectful attitude, the mocking started after the 25 mins mark

[wet hedge]

and we've not moved an inch on the actual thing we were talking about in the first place

[little veldt]

Sure, that's one way to satisfy the thrill.

[normal zodiac]

Post match debrief, lets go

[vague raptor]

[floral latch]

You still haven't answered to woutorro in regards to the main thing that he asked you, what you consider as a new account? @wet hedge

I'm also curious about that

[fading plinth]

Uh, a new account is new?

[wet hedge]

wait I did

[late kettle]

Yo should I make raine ascended for resonating crystal or save

[wet hedge]

deep into midgame is not new player anymore

[normal zodiac]

https://tenor.com/view/mourinho-gif-9407676

[wet hedge]

so around the 0-3 celepo range

[normal zodiac]

Ascend her

[wet hedge]

I think you just missed it

[fading plinth]

Just wait for woke Raine

[floral latch]

Yeah basically 4 months, so the whole convo was pointless

[fading plinth]

Easy

[wet hedge]

I think you're still a new player

[normal zodiac]

Rowan is gonna be the next one him or cecilia

[wet hedge]

well your new account is

[floral latch]

I sure am

[little veldt]

Me too

[late kettle]

Yea but I need more characters on resonating crystal cus 2 are l+ fodder

[wet hedge]

and thus you don't absolutely need alna for your current stage of progression

which like you're a good example of that

[elfin notch]

@spare wolf
Zapzap

[wet hedge]

you're doing fine wihtout alna

[elfin notch]

[spare wolf]

[fading plinth]

Oh, the old times of Alna comps

[floral latch]

So in the end she is a necessity, 3 celhypo is new account content, we just had the conversation for nothing basically

[normal zodiac]

Lurker

[floral latch]

Glad that you agreed with me eventually

[elfin notch]

Hellow :3

[wet hedge]

well 0-3 exclusive

[little veldt]

If you don't have 5 ascended heroes and you have ALL the copies to ascend Raine right now, I'd say go for it.

[spare wolf]

i just got pinged sir

[wet hedge]

3 as in 3 built

[elfin notch]

Zappy Always answers my ping

[wet hedge]

so if oyu have daemia built and alna is building

[normal zodiac]

I know im just poking fun at you

[wet hedge]

you're still a new player

[elfin notch]

[floral latch]

I do absolutely need her tho

[late kettle]

Yea I have 2 ascended characters on resonating crystal which are thoran and Ivan

[wet hedge]

over daemia?

[floral latch]

Doing good doesn't mean that I couldn't do much better

[little veldt]

Thoran 🤮

[normal zodiac]

Marian where are you in chapters, im sure you said it earlier today but i forgor

[fading plinth]

Just use the newest hero, easy

[wet hedge]

alna also has another major caveat

[late kettle]

He’s linked to rem

[wet hedge]

which is she is pretty useless before 309

[late kettle]

And thoran is my only 2 star

[wet hedge]

she used to be pretty good

but then we got atheus curke and ashem

[little veldt]

How to make AFK Arena a better game... Remove Thoran

[elfin notch]

Thoran was the easiest shit to do at some point

[normal zodiac]

Facts

[wet hedge]

who are just better

[floral latch]

This was never about this over that, you simply stated that she's not a necessity for new accounts and that was false, she is a necessity, independently if she's the second or third celhypo you build

[late kettle]

But seriously do I make raine ascended cus I don’t wanna regret this in the future

[floral latch]

She remains a necessity, that was all there was to it

[wet hedge]

regarding this, I'm curious as to how an account would do if they just skipped alna altogether

[elfin notch]

When was daemia released?

[normal zodiac]

Raine is a decent support hero you wont regret it

[fading plinth]

Who is Daemia

[wet hedge]

sometime in july or august I think

last year

[normal zodiac]

My alt is a direct example. Its in 39 without alna

[wet hedge]

now idk who they'd even get if they skipped alna

[normal zodiac]

Ill send a pic just now

[elfin notch]

Damn I stopped afk a while ago

[wet hedge]

would lavatune really be a lot worse?

[floral latch]

@split elm is on day 30 and has alna over me and done better

[fading plinth]

Nice decision

[wet hedge]

your daemia isn't built

his alna is

[elfin notch]

Coc > afk

[floral latch]

Doesn't matter

[wet hedge]

you moved to clash of clans?

[elfin notch]

Yeah we have BnB in coc now

[floral latch]

You just seem to not understand the whole point that there was to the convo jd

Let's just end it here

[spare wolf]

they played it before they quit too if i remember right

[normal zodiac]

Ignore audare i made the account when she was still busted and thought fuck it ill build her on here too

[elfin notch]

Yeah we started before quitting afk for some of us

[wet hedge]

we got side tracked talking about alna

she is not the point of the conversation

[late kettle]

Alna is rly good if u invest

[normal zodiac]

Liberta and dae are bigger prios for me

[late kettle]

Same

[wet hedge]

the original conversation is not really applicable to pre-lategame people

[late kettle]

But it’s difficult to get liberta to mythic

[wet hedge]

I'm not trying to belittle you at all by that, sorry if it came across that way

[normal zodiac]

Yea, thats why im stalling hard before i push again, wanna build ashem and liberta before i ouch again

[wet hedge]

it's just different stages focus on different things

[floral latch]

It's okay, let's move on now please

This conversation got tiring even for me

[late kettle]

Do u have daemia

[floral latch]

It takes alot to get me tired like that

[normal zodiac]

No, look at the pic

[wet hedge]

wait audrae was ever busted?

[late kettle]

Lol

[normal zodiac]

Your yapper role must be revoked

[wet hedge]

oh there was burst meta with her

[normal zodiac]

Yea in those few months she released

[wet hedge]

that's true yeah

I always saw her more as a luxury whale unit than an essential build though

[normal zodiac]

She still does good in tower but dae is gonna beat that if the anniversary allows us a swap

[wet hedge]

like zaph

[jolly sable]

rem sucks

[normal zodiac]

Like i said a mistake

[wet hedge]

and malkerie

[normal zodiac]

No u

[split elm]

I saw I was tagged 👀

[normal zodiac]

Its gonna be a long read if you want context

[jolly sable]

hello there

[split elm]

I caught the end of it scrolled up and my screen kept scrolling down so I’ll just leave it 😂

[wet hedge]

we basically argued about semantics for an hour

[late kettle]

Lmaooo

[wet hedge]

anyways

[split elm]

😅 I gotcha I gotcha. I’m just trying to push campaign rn

And get a green name haha

[jolly sable]

nothing like arguing about a game instead of playing it

[wet hedge]

how close are you to lv21?

[split elm]

Whale hello dare

[wet hedge]

classic afk arena: ~ the original experience since 2019

[normal zodiac]

Its a ton of yapping, just check your kevel in the level up channel then dm the mod mail, or ask JD if youre a high enough kevel i think it was 21

[wet hedge]

yep, 21

[jolly sable]

what does 36-12 mean

[little veldt]

Nah there was also wasting several hours hitting retry

[normal zodiac]

The chapter youre in

[split elm]

Oh I gotta update that

[normal zodiac]

Ive wasted a day or 2 minimum doing that

[jolly sable]

how do u go backwards tho

[split elm]

Thank you for reminding me

[normal zodiac]

Huh?

[little veldt]

I wish thats all I wasted

[wet hedge]

?

well you can restart

[normal zodiac]

Big money spender has regrets

[jolly sable]

i mean like what is the second number

[wet hedge]

stage

[little veldt]

That's before I spent much

[late kettle]

Yo should I grit raine for Jerome or naroko

[split elm]

Chapter then stage

[little veldt]

Also I'm VIP 12

[jolly sable]

why is stage important

[wet hedge]

putting stage in your name give people a rough indication of what stage of the game you are in, and roughyl what your investments would look like

and thus give a more tailored response to your questions

[jolly sable]

im gonna put all my heros and resources in my name

[wet hedge]

it's also a nice way of tracking each other's progress and fostering a stronger sense of community

[little veldt]

I'm pretty sure my name tells people exactly where I am in the game

[normal zodiac]

Its just helpful to know, because there are breakpoints in progression. Like for 28 i think its 52 that gtes a lot of ppl stuck

[west maple]

Hi, @normal zodiac!

If you have questions in AFK Arena ask in #classic-questions. If you need lineup help in campaign or arena ask in #lineup-help

[wet hedge]

it used to be more popular when campaign was the trule the only real game mode

[normal zodiac]

https://tenor.com/view/sad-gif-7523306793289960933

[jolly sable]

i see

[wet hedge]

but still helful now

[late kettle]

Yo should I grit ascended raine for Jerome or naroko

[normal zodiac]

Fix the bot, there no way its gonna tell me to check the questions channel

[little veldt]

Yeah I don't know that adding my campaign stage would clarify anything that my name doesn't

[wet hedge]

I recommend #classic-questions for roster related questions

but I'd do jerome

[little veldt]

Help me Dyno I'm stuck

[west maple]

Hi, @little veldt!

If you have questions in AFK Arena ask in #classic-questions. If you need lineup help in campaign or arena ask in #lineup-help

[little veldt]

Perfect

[split elm]

XD

[jolly sable]

what is the meaning of life dyno

[wet hedge]

dyno has key words that trigger it

useful sometimes, annoying other times

[little veldt]

I'm a pro

[jolly sable]

keyboards

[wet hedge]

keywords rather

[little veldt]

Dyno is my homie

[jolly sable]

dyno why

[prime isle]

Now ain't that relatable.

[jolly sable]

why u ignore me

im stuck

in a door

[little veldt]

It's the h.e.l.p. part

[jolly sable]

send help

[normal zodiac]

Its so me, like this is how i feel after 10 mins looking at my uni work

[little veldt]

Lol...

[normal zodiac]

Like one of our Student towns has a massive drinking culture and i finally understand why. I want a beer after every session

[jolly sable]

omg it’s almost reset time yay

[neon wraith]

I thought help triggered it

[jolly sable]

this tavern girl is needy.. keeps giving me fake notis

[little veldt]

Its help me

[normal zodiac]

Turn it off lol

[neon wraith]

Apparently it’s not

[little veldt]

But you have to specifically say it in reference to being stuck

[jolly sable]

help me pls i am hard stuck

[little veldt]

Help me I am stuck

[west maple]

Hi, @little veldt!

If you have questions in AFK Arena ask in #classic-questions. If you need lineup help in campaign or arena ask in #lineup-help

[jolly sable]

stuck

help stuck

[west maple]

Hi, @jolly sable!

If you have questions in AFK Arena ask in #classic-questions. If you need lineup help in campaign or arena ask in #lineup-help

[normal zodiac]

No it has to be in context

Okay youve tested the theory, please stop now. Hate seeing this bot

[little veldt]

There you go don't let the power go to your head

[jolly sable]

i am no longer stuck

[normal zodiac]

Ill block you if you continue

[jolly sable]

[little veldt]

I've already blocked myself

[jolly sable]

im actually getting paid to play this game

[normal zodiac]

Okay i must sleep, ive been entertained thoroughly. 🫡

[little veldt]

If you pay me to play I'll start playing again

I'm still debating at this point

[jolly sable]

why dont you play for free

[little veldt]

Because why do anything for free you could be paid for

[jolly sable]

married to the bag

your pfp reminds me of poptropica

[little veldt]

I work for a consulting company I basically can get paid for whatever I am asked to do. Although I specifically do traffic control plans.

[little veldt]

It's a drawing of Kaz my fiancée drew

[jolly sable]

👀

aight is time for me to grind

[split elm]

Ok I’m back

Feels good for no chat delay here haha

[oblique lodge]

1m delay just for you

[split elm]

[oblique lodge]

[split elm]

Spoon big bully

[floral latch]

You want me to bully him?

[split elm]

Yes please

[floral latch]

Hey there mini mod, why you bullying my second favorite cat frien

[oblique lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/talene-afk-arena-burn-it-all-gif-19187202

[floral latch]

Anyway gn, don't bully my frien anymore while I'm away

Otherwise i have to bully you

[oblique lodge]

gn

[tranquil atlas]

u been stuck on that stage in awhile @desert jungle

can we expect you to be on the next episode as well

[split elm]

I just blew through 36 after being stuck for a day

[rose niche]

THIS IS WHY WE BUILD NARA

[tranquil atlas]

I don't see it lil bro

[prime isle]

Well damn 👀.

[main tree]

Bro I love the name

[tranquil atlas]

ty

[orchid stream]

goofy emoji

[near cedar]

Barely over 100 lvl deficite

[vestal sparrow]

WHO LET YOU COOK

[cold mulch]

hell nah 😭

biggest L investment

[sudden marsh]

bro looking at the faction intel in treasure vanguard is annoying

so many people in chat want to win but there’s a few that wont bother to help by pressing a few buttons

[neon wraith]

its so over

[vestal sparrow]

Yeah i hate that loler guy

[prime isle]

Uhhhh huhhh.

[humble agate]

is there a way to get alot of diamonds or time emblems?

or just get stronger in general

[sudden marsh]

play, have fun, you’ll never beat the whales

[humble agate]

im not having fun tho

im hard stuck 28-12

[cold mulch]

on god 😭

[rose niche]

I miss the days when investing into a favorite character didnt immediately cripple me 😔

[near cedar]

me with my 309e0 pippa thta I still may e60

[glad sand]

It doesn't cripple you if you don't plan on progressing

[prime isle]

Progressing sucks anyways after a certain damn point.

[glad sand]

It becomes super tedious

[wraith oriole]

Trying to get Thoran cheese to work properly makes you want to pull your hair out later

[glad sand]

People still use that?

[wraith oriole]

Yes even all the way in ch64

[glad sand]

Gross

[wraith oriole]

It's somewhat easier for some stages but when you get likes of Satrana Flora or heck even Thane...

The timing is so different each time that trying to get the right sequence just fails most of the time especially with Thane

[glad sand]

I don't think I've ever used Thoran cheese

[wraith oriole]

You kind of have no choice when later on your deficit is 400 to 500

[glad sand]

[wraith oriole]

But it feels extra good when Thoran does trillions and wipe them off the map

[glad sand]

You have a choice of not play to that high of a deficient as well

[wraith oriole]

You don't

Current cap is 1015 and ch64 you face 1450+

Probably 1020 but still

[glad sand]

Yes you do. You have a "choice" to get to that chapter

[prime isle]

Wow yall still rely on that comp so much? Rip.

Oh well. Still gotta get used to that shitty ass rng fest. Ight.

[prime isle]

Sooo what, Did someone point a gun at yo head while saying "Hey! Yo deficit is too low. 150? How disappointing. You better stop stalling now and reach 666!!!!!!!" 🤔?

[slow plume]

Push, now

[glad sand]

I'm at a 170 deficit

[sweet granite]

my nara bulit too

[prime isle]

@wraith oriole I got ch 9

[wraith oriole]

Noooooooo I must reach the top because I stayed on 62 far to long so many have overtaken

[lunar parrot]

is ivan the best 4f hero

[split elm]

He’s up there

[cloud dune]

i cant use / nick unfort

nvm got it

[near cedar]

My thoran is e+

[prime isle]

Excellent.

[glad sand]

This is my Thoran

[near cedar]

interesting lvl

[ionic sail]

Yo guys

What hero should I hire at garison

[wraith oriole]

What do you already have

Beginner priority is something like Rem > Emilia > Albedo

[near cedar]

I like the pfp btw

[wraith oriole]

[novel widget]

What is the purpose of garrison?

I know to hire dimensionals but how is it beneficial?

[viscid vale]

Dimensionals are good

[rancid garnet]

i wonder how many of the old vets are still arnd nowadays

havent been here often enough

[prime isle]

We all be slowly dissapearing, one by one...

Eventually replaced by all the new ass players.

And then the same happens to them. And then the cycle continues.

How forlorn.

[floral latch]

@tardy root you flexed 7 the other day, what happened today

[floral latch]

So that you can use them

[mild lotus]

Is torne good yet

[floral latch]

Wdym yet

[mild lotus]

He wasn't good when I was active in the game or last year when I randomly came back to find my account

Also mb for late ass response I was vibing in afk arena lol

[floral latch]

Well, he will only get worse, not better

Gm yami

How's your day going

Nice

Preparing for work

Just having some breakfast atm before i go

Eat then

Before hitting the uni

[mild lotus]

Mannnn

Ty tho

[tardy root]

misclicked 1

it averages out LUL

[floral latch]

[floral latch]

Today you gave me only 700 diamonds instead of 2700

[mild lotus]

Omg I forgot I had pimp skriath

[solid phoenix]

Hallo

Pimp skriath is best skin

Same smh classes started from 9

[golden fjord]

crassio or eorin?
I'm mostly mauler heroes and i literally just started my account

[jolly sable]

rem

[solid phoenix]

Full investment in ulmus

Or u are not playing right

[jolly sable]

wait can i use merc for lab?

i just got hard mode so

[solid phoenix]

Yea

U can

If i recall right

[jolly sable]

is it only once or unlimited?

[solid phoenix]

Till it dies

[jolly sable]

alright

[vestal sparrow]

Hahaha traded attacks with one guy in LC made him lose 300 diamonds worth

Hit him with a -300 diamond message

[solid phoenix]

[jolly sable]

the dark wagons dont give any rewards right just a hero?

i think i should skip

[vestal sparrow]

Yeah skip if you want to maximize rewards

[onyx rose]

greeting frens

[opaque oxide]

Im stuck on progress for nơ

Now

Can someone give ne some suggestions

[wispy geyser]

[quiet knoll]

Rem ivan

[normal zodiac]

pet clutch

[prime isle]

Guys I am new is he good?

[normal zodiac]

its quite lucky to get both versions of brutus. but he's alright a middle tier awakened hero

[crude sapphire]

fight me?

[wispy geyser]

nuh uh

[wispy geyser]

no

[sudden marsh]

finally 😭😭

[wispy geyser]

[normal zodiac]

https://tenor.com/view/lets-go-gif-drake-gif-26307972

[crude sapphire]

but whyyyyyy

[wispy geyser]

:StabbyStab:

[crude sapphire]

alpa fought me last night

its was a fun time

[floral latch]

Not everyone is as masochistic as alpa

[pliant summit]

And now the 1 Star

That's what holding me back now

[prime isle]

👏👏👏👏👏.

[austere flume]

YAYYY

I JUST GOT MY FIRST MYTHIC AWAKENED HERO

AWAKENED SHEMIRA

[split elm]

whale

[wraith oriole]

Congrats now you just need six more for ascended and nine more for engraving, isn't it great?

[austere flume]

Is that good or bad

[tacit nexus]

Both

[torn steppe]

Kraken

[sudden marsh]

if i was a whale, my money wouldnt be on this game

[glad sand]

Wise choice

https://tenor.com/view/you-have-chosen-wisely-choose-choice-knight-gif-16214221

[jolly sable]

which game

[wraith oriole]

You'd be served at a dinner table somewhere

[austere flume]

0.0

[opaque oxide]

Ok i need the purple stuff how can i get them quick

[wraith oriole]

For leveling up?

Easiest way is to beat up everyone in arena and have a chance to get 10 per win

[opaque oxide]

Oh

Thats tough

[wraith oriole]

Or store bought of course

[opaque oxide]

I just used all my chest

[wraith oriole]

Are you past ch28 or something

[opaque oxide]

Nah

[wraith oriole]

Something something past certain chapter stage you get maximum efficiency when opening chest for dust

[opaque oxide]

Im In chapter 13

Oh

So should i use gems to buy it ?

[wraith oriole]

As F2P? You have better places to spend gems

[opaque oxide]

Like?

[wraith oriole]

Summons, stargazing later on

[opaque oxide]

Oh

what chapter can i star gaze

[wraith oriole]

Think it was like clear 16 or reach 16 can't remember, it should tell you

[opaque oxide]

Damn thats tough

[wraith oriole]

How though, I heard people are clearing up to ch31 in a week

[opaque oxide]

Im 5 days in and have so little fodder

i try to maximises that by usaing gems to summon but its hard tbh

[crude sapphire]

if you play optimally and basicall yrush everything into rem

and get lucky with an ivan pull

[dark silo]

And then proceed to get hard stuck cuz you progressed to fast ;-;

[crude sapphire]

yup pretty much

[near cedar]

This is true, you do have to get a bit lucky sometimes on roles, but you can also just about get through chapter 32 with a lvl 61 crystal

[copper marsh]

hey guys newbie here
i just figured out the part where u enter codes and u get free stuff
by any chance does anyone knows where i can get codes? thank you in advance <33

[split elm]

Google is where I usually go and click the first link @copper marsh

[copper marsh]

ohh i see
thank you @split elm

[rose niche]

Can anyone explain why everyone on the Reddit seems to hate Ghoulsih Gallery? Just got back into the game recently, but it just feels like a fun little side quest for better relics

[jolly sable]

[kind vessel]

Reddit hates everything

[near cedar]

they have a skill issue

[rose niche]

I assumed it was something like that, but there were so many people bitching I second guessed myself

[prime isle]

Can you blame them for bitching though?

I mean damn. Collections be one giant ass mess. Be sounding like a nice ass idea at first, with the new ass artifact skills and big ass stat increase, but of course what has to ruin it is the pathetic ass rng even with 3 legendary totems unless you used 80 and then the eventual lack of arcane staffs.

[prime isle]

Damn Right.

[split elm]

definite

[opaque oxide]

Crystal?what is that

[near cedar]

resonating crystal

[opaque oxide]

And what chapter do i unlock it?

[tacit nexus]

5

[opaque oxide]

What

Where is it

I cant seems to find it

[pliant summit]

[glass star]

I have no idea what happened here

[normal zodiac]

si40 athalia for the win

[floral latch]

Yes, i can

Blame them all yus yus

[prime isle]

Ight then.

[floral latch]

Only weaklings bitch

Over things they have no control upon

[prime isle]

Fair enough. Ought to get used to it in this hoe and accept it as it is.

[floral latch]

Like them bitching would solve anything

[prime isle]

But bitching still be fun. So that ought to be they best way of coping.

[floral latch]

Specially on reddit

They're by far the dumbest bunch in the playerbase

Complaining there literally does nothing

At least if they complained here they would've received an answer every now and then

But there they just complain for the sake of complaining

[prime isle]

Complaining there just to farm Karma points and that is it.

[floral latch]

No clue how reddit works i never had an account there

Since it's garbage

[prime isle]

Same I just browse to chill with some popcorn to scowl at the damn stupidity in there most of the time.

[floral latch]

There's better things for me to use popcorn for

Like watching a movie with yamin

So, what are we gonna watch @prime isle

[prime isle]

I already sense so many "Ok Simp 🤓" comments.

[floral latch]

That's far from being a simp

Damn

[prime isle]

And then go watch Mr Hands Horse.

[floral latch]

See, we the first hungarian romanian couple that can get along

Usually our nations hate one another

Eh

It always starts that way

[prime isle]

And then ends with lovers to enemies.

[floral latch]

Ngl that caught me off guard, i thought you're the kind that likes vampire diaries and such

As long as it's with the right person

[normal zodiac]

whats with all this flirting?

https://tenor.com/view/ok-okay-umm-awkward-situation-huh-gif-5850917

personally more of a music man than a movie man, but im chilling being single

[floral latch]

Ngl I haven't watched it yet

[normal zodiac]

its a bit of a slow bruner movie but a good one nonetheless

[floral latch]

I kept saying that i have to watch it but i must finish fear the walking dead first

[normal zodiac]

like dune.

[floral latch]

I'm on like season 7 now

[normal zodiac]

how many seasons total?

[floral latch]

8

[normal zodiac]

youve got time then

[floral latch]

I started it like 2 years ago

I keep going back and forth with it

Depending on my mood

[normal zodiac]

some ppl have it others dont. personally watched one piece in 2 months because im a man of commitment

also helped that i had just graduated highschool

[floral latch]

There's days when i just wanna chill and watch 10 episodes the same day, then there's months when I don't want to watch anything at all

Or i just watch those youtubers doing traveling stuff